Stolen Bernese bitches!!!! Please help!!!
Hello, it seems like that I can only bring bad news nowdays. After telling you about the loss of my beloved berner boy, Max, now I have to ask you for your attention. In the last few weeks 3 bernese mountain dog bitches had been stolen. The thiefs simply cut off the wire fence and took the dogs. One of these bitches is the litter sister of my younger boy. The police told the owners, that they think the dogs will be taken abroad. So please, if you now anything about them let me know. I have the details, the registration numbers, etc. I'm afraid these dogs were stolen by the same person, and it must be someone, who knows them. One of the bitches was in heat and two of them had already their HD-ED certifications... I hope they will not show up at an auction or in a puppy mill. Thank you in advance, Tímea Román http://www.bshclub.com
Re: Cancer Study
Today we mailed off the blood from our 10 1/2 year old Berner "Talee" for the Cancer research being done at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research center. I'm sure Pat Long has all the latest information in anyone else wants to take part in this research. They still need more participants. Ray & Pat Burgett Eaglecap Bernese Talee,Lexi,,Bell, Shadow & Max www.goodbernerfood.com http://users.eoni.com/~eaglecap/ Draminski Ovulation Detector Rep
Re: BERNER-L digest 4269
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RE: Advice - Wedding Cake Toppers?
Our dogs were the ring bearers in our wedding. This was before we got our Bernese "Ginger" last year. (I'm having a figurine made so that she can sit next to the cake topper from our wedding.) Our caketopper had our 3 cats and 2 dogs and us, in exactly our wedding outfits. It was great! Go to the website "itfiguresonline.com" to see what she can do. It is a bit expensive but its a lifetime piece of art! (She also has a waiting list so you'd have to be planning ahead.) But it was incredibly fun to have all the personalities and likenesses on our cake - they all looked like they were going to walk off and join the party! I'm attaching a picture also - I hope you can open it! Congratulations and good luck! Kaethy and Ginger in Los Angeles <> > -- > From: Lucy & Yogi > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:21 AM > To: Bernese List > Subject: Advice - Wedding Cake Toppers? > > Has anyone on the list purchased a wedding cake topper of berner > figurines? If so, were you happy with it and how much did they look like > berners (as opposed to a general dog figurine painted berner colours)? > > I'm asking because I have come across a couple in my search, but no photo > of the berner topper exists, and I'm looking to see which best resembles a > > berner. I'd really like them to look as much as possible like real > berners, and not a generic doggy figurine (i,.e. not a golden/setter/etc > type painted berner colours). > > Barring that, are there any sites where you have been particularly > happy/unhappy with their berner figurines in general? Private replies are > > great. > > Thanks for your help, > Jen > (with the flower girl and ring bearer snoring away behind me) > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED---* * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * *Mail Lists at Prairienet only accept PLAIN TEXT* * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: Growth Gates?
Hi Cheryl I second what Vilma said as far as exercise goes but we would not let the young dog jump out of the pickup bed. We haul ours behind the seat "extended cab" and help the pup down. Will also help our 10 1/2 year old down. The only time ours ride in the pickup bed is the 2 mile trip to the Drive in for their Ice Cream Cone and one of us rides back their with them. The do love their ICE CREAM That is a mess trying to feed 4 BERNERS Ice Cream Cones. :-)) RBPS. We are in NE Oregon. Ray & Pat Burgett Eaglecap Bernese Talee,Lexi,,Bell, Shadow & Max www.goodbernerfood.com http://users.eoni.com/~eaglecap/ Draminski Ovulation Detector Rep
Re: Raw bones & Diarrhea
Hi Cheryl First off I will say we are lucky to have all the raw beef bones we need. We buy and have butchered 1 beef per year and the bones are cut up for the dogs. If any bone we go to feed has excess fat on it we trim some of it off. The shank bones or marrow bones as some folks call them are the leg bones. We try to dig most of the marrow out as it will give them the diarrhea even if they are used to raw bones. The knuckle bones have a lot of cartilage on them and we leave most of that on well trimming off the fat. The dogs like the rib bones, neck bones and back bones the best but chew happily on any bone they get. You might try giving Tanner some digestive enzymes with his AM feeding or with the PM feeding if you only feed once a day. All our dogs get a large spoon of yogurt on their AM feeding. Tanner may also benefit from twice a day feeding if your only feeding once a day. \ Our now 4 month old Shadow " pup from our last litter" will get very soft stools, not diarrhea, if he gets a real fatty bone or one with a lot marrow. All our older Dogs handle what ever bone they get with no problem. By the way, as far as dogs go, bones never spoil, they just get better. They love to hide them in the dirt till they get good and ripe. RB Ray & Pat Burgett Eaglecap Bernese Talee,Lexi,,Bell, Shadow & Max www.goodbernerfood.com http://users.eoni.com/~eaglecap/ Draminski Ovulation Detector Rep
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Dog Show/Wacamaw in Spartanburg, anyone?
I'd love to know if anyone's going to be in Spartanburg SC for the 3 day show beginning this Friday. I'd also love to know what time berners will be in the ring.. Thanks, looking forward to meeting you and your dogs too, of course :-) Franny/South Carolina
Fwd: best in breed p.s.
--- Begin Message --- In a message dated 02/12/2003 6:48:35 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << but i just don't understand why so few of the other groups win. >> One of the reasons is that this is a "Dog Show" and terriers by their very nature are very showy. They tend to be really alert and on their toes much of the time. By the time the dogs get into the BIS ring, the extra touch of a turned on dog can be enough for the judge to give it to that dog. Any one of the group winners is certainly good enough per the breed standard to be able to win, but by that level, the name of the game is showmanship. Terriers do tend to excel in that. The look in Mick's eye and the way his tail just vibrated when the judge gave him a look on her last go round was a joy to behold. Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 1/2 yrs.) & Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,2 yrs.) BMDCSEW Tracking Test Chair/Sec. NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html --- End Message ---
best in breed p.s.
hi everyone, i was just reading over the email i sent out and i wanted to apologize to anyone who has terriers or who found my email offensive in any way. i have nothing against them at all, and obviously no one should pick the winner based on what i think or want, it just seems to me that they always win westminster (obviously not entirely true) and i can't possibly believe that the few dogs that have actually won the hound, herding and working, are so much "lesser" than the other groups--that's what i don't understand about all of it. so i apologize to all you terrier owners out there--in fact, i was wrong, i would own a pit bull one day, and i did find the winner beautiful and he deserved it, but i just don't understand why so few of the other groups win. that's all. i hope i explained myself, and sorry again! take care, danielle
best in breed
hi here, just wanted to write in today because one of my clients (i walk dogs) landed in JFK from LA today and saw "the most beautiful bernese mountain dog," and went over to ask about him--because she loves my hudson so much so she had to go over! and found out that was Billy, the winner! she said he had the most beautiful big head and great stance. she said it was like meeting a rock star! anyway, just wanted to share. anyone else find it irritating that the only dogs that ever seem to win at westminster are terriers, toys or non-sporting? only one herding dog hasn? that seems ridiculous. is it a popularity contest? not to offend any of you, but for me, why are terriers so popular? i would never choose one even though they can be pretty. i like big, goofy dogs with lots of fur, i wished the newfoundland had won. i actually think the german shepherd and the ibizan hound were just as beautiful as te winner if not more--not being an expert at all--but it would have been nice if the favorite didn't always win. just my opinion. anyway, take care all, danielle & big girl hudson, now at almost 10 months and 70 lbs (no, i'm not fat, mom)
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Can we be setup to receive all mailings in one group?
new email address
Please change my address in your address book from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beth and Steve Oberle __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
Status of contributions for Hugo's chair -- contributors PLEASE read ASAP!
Hi everyone, I have word from Mel at Doggon Wheels that Hugos account has "extra" $385 pledged making us well on the way to paying for a second cart, this would be sized for smaller Berner's. That would give Berner-L community two carts, which can be used as either 4 wheeled or 2 wheeled carts - so do we let Mel know this is OK. Those that have called and contributed are you agreeable. Mel says she will shred the other pledges if folks dont want this happening.I am sure there will be a need for such a smaller chair. I probably could of used it with Rosie her last few weeks - so all you kind folks think about this proposal and let me know ASAP [EMAIL PROTECTED] or email Mel at Doggon Wheels [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your OK to continue holding your pledge. I can not thank everyone enough for stepping forward and contributing towards Hugos chair! Pat Tackett Texas __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
re: clean teeth
I second Eileen's mention of raw bones for cleaning teeth. Another newer product that seems to help my dogs is: Greenies. My brother's old old Shih Tzu never has chewed any type of rawhide, bones or other, but our dogs gave him a small sized greenie for Christmas and we got the cutest thank you note saying how much he loved the greenie, and they went out promptly and bought about 2 dozen for the little guy. Another brand is available, maybe dentabone brand, but is also green and mint flavored(they have lots of chlorophyll). Indie (BMD) loves the mintabone type while Gabby (aussiex) much prefers the greenies. Both are available at Petsmart and through many mail order sources. Best, Jill with Indie and Gabby From: "Terri Stone" <> > It's been so long since I've posted, I'm hoping this works. Does anyone > have any secrets to healthy teeth and gums for a Berner who isn't a chewer? Raw Bones.
Re: Doggon Wheels
Yep, Hugo's chair is paid for! I sent the email to the listwish I knew how to get to individuals. No second chair, but we can get wheels to take this chair down to the smallest size already. I don't know how many of you have dealt with a Quad, but this chair is not going to go down to an 80lb dog. Hugie is at the top end of the size! But this chair is paid for . They are taking no more money, sorry you missed it! What a giving group this. Rusty C
Doggon Wheels
I get this list in digest form so am a bit late on this. It is Wednesday morning on the west coast of the U.S. I just called DOGGON WHEELS and they say that they do have enough money for Hugo's chair. They tell me that there is talk of having a second quad chair made up for another Berner and would accept donations for this. I haven't read about this part yet. Can someone explain? Susan Kowitz, Mercedes, and Bentley Sequim, WA
I'm new
Welcome to the list. We here in the South would love to meet you. Check out our regional club's website at www.cvbmdc.org . We are all getting together in March for our Draft test. Would be great if you could come and meet the local berner family. Mary Shaver and the girls, Laurel and Bailey Chattahoochee Valley BMDC Fayetteville, GA
RE: Health problems and REAL leading cause of death in dogs
Yes, Vilma, you are right. The statement should have been qualified as leading cause of disease-induced/mediated death in dogs. Even that is probably not a very good phrase to use because I imagine that a fraction of behavior problems in dogs could also be disease-induced/mediated, too. Propose a phrase and I will use it henceforth!! :-) Nancy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Health problems and REAL leading cause of death in dogs Nancy, Thank you for the excellent information, that is really interesting and informative, thank you for putting it together for us. I do have just one slight correction, however. Cancer is not actually the leading cause of death in dogs. Elective euthanasia of physically healthy but homeless dogs in shelters is. So I guess one could say *behavior problems* -- the reason most dogs are given to shelters -- are actually the leading cause of death (along w/ overpopulation.) Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CGC and Ted
Re: Growth Gates?
Do you mean growth plates? :-) This is the leading edge of bone growth and formation for length of bone in a young dog/puppy, tho bone is constantly reformed and replaced thru life. These are easily damaged by trauma until the long bones stop growing. Growth plates close around the time of maturity, which varies by breed. In toy breeds, they are usually closed by 8-9 months, in giant breeds they may not be closed until 18-24 months of age. Therefor the recommendation to restrict high jumping and forced exercise until the growth plates have closed. This doesnt mean your puppy cant be a puppy and run and play and enjoy life (his muscles need to develop, as does his mind), just to use common sense and not do more than he can handle. Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CGC and Ted
Health problems and REAL leading cause of death in dogs
Nancy, Thank you for the excellent information, that is really interesting and informative, thank you for putting it together for us. I do have just one slight correction, however. Cancer is not actually the leading cause of death in dogs. Elective euthanasia of physically healthy but homeless dogs in shelters is. So I guess one could say *behavior problems* -- the reason most dogs are given to shelters -- are actually the leading cause of death (along w/ overpopulation.) Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CGC and Ted
2003 Photo Contest
Hi All Berner Fans: We are still looking for your photos of your wonderful, beautiful Berners. I am sure that everyone out there has a great picture of their Berner, we would love for you to enter that photo in the 2003 Specialty Photo Contest. Don't forget that the Photo Contest is one fundraiser used to cut expenses at the Specialty. Please send in all of thoses photos. The best part is that you don't have to come to the Specialty to enter your photos. The dealine is March 1st. That date is coming up quick $10.00 for the first photo and $5.00 for each additional photo entered. Please see the Specialty web site for categories. Please send to PCC, 11664 National Blvd. #378, Los Angeles, CA 90064. If you have any questions please let me know. Kathe Vasquez 2003 Specialty Photo Contest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now on future use of the Chair...
I know there are other Berner kids out there who are likely to be in need of this chair in the future. Would you like to go ahead and tell them the size of your furkid so we can go ahead and get the adjustments to fit the different sizes? What you think Andrea, can you store some extra wheels etc safely? Just if you think you may need this in the future like Jane, don't you have a boy who 'might'??? we can be prepared as with these things the Berner structure is very uniquebut then we know how unique our kids are! I only said Andrea, someone else may have a place but she had mentioned getting a loaner service started and by the way, think I have a used one coming FREE. but it will be for a smaller dog! As a community we can 'be prepared' Rusty C & Good Company
Hugo's Chair is 'IN production'
Thanx go to you loverly loverly generous caring sharing .oh words can not express the 'wonderful wonderful feeling ' I have for you guys! Hugie's chair is getting built and you have given him a chance out of your kindness. "Kindness is an inner desire that makes us want to do good things even if we do not get anything in return. It is the joy of our life to do them, When we do good things from this inner desire, there is kindness in everything we think, say, want and do. -" Emanuel Swedenborg YOU are kind kind people with good hearts! Rusty C & Good Company
Growth Gates?
What exactly are growth gates? And what part do they play in the developement, I have heard the term and reference to them closing. I am wondering when a young dog that is in fairly good shape can jump without damage to cartlidge or muscle. Our dogs ride in the back of a truck (with canopy of course) and we are still supporting Tanner (now 11 months and 90 lbs) when he jumps down, he has good muscle tone but still the lanky, thin build of an adolescent. It is not a problem to continue helping him but I am just wondering when it will be safe for him to jump down 3 to 4 feet. Thank, Cheryl Tessa & Tanner __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
RE: Frequency of Health Problems
Liane: It is my understanding that Boxers and Goldens have higher rates of cancer. Exactly what specific cancers those rates involve, I cannot say. In the case of Goldens, I beleive that their average life span is a bit longer than Bernese. To obtain exact figures, you will need to consult the respective breed clubs. Below I have provided some information that might help you put the information that you collect into better perspective. According to Tuft's Professor of Veterinary Oncology and member-at-large of the Veterinary Cancer Society, Ken M. Rassnick, DVM, Dip. ACVIM, regardless of age, one in four dogs' deaths is due to cancer. He goes on to say that since cancer registries are not generally available in veterinary medicine, it is likely this number is even higher. The disease is the leading cause of death in dogs (probably because of the lack of significant coronary disease in dogs). Antony Moore, MVSc, Head of the Harrington Oncology Program at Tufts Vet Med. has this to say: "There are no preventive measures to ensure your dog doesn't get cancer, but spaying before the first heat will almost completely remove the risk of mammary cancer...Testicular tumors in dogs are common, but when dogs are neutered, the risk is eliminated." "Certain breeds seem more susceptible to inherited types of cancer. In some forms of cancer, BODY TYPE is also important. LARGER or GIANT breeds have a higher incidence of bone cancer. Dogs with DARK SKIN are more susceptible to melanomas. "GOLDEN RETRIEVERS and ROTTWEILERS are at risk for LYMPHOMA and OSTEOSARCOMA. SCOTTISH TERRIERS and SHELTIES are susceptible to BLADDER cancer. BERNESE MOUNTAIN DOGS tend to contract LYMPHOMA, MAST CELL tumors and HISTIOCYTOSIS, a rare cancer, which oncologists treat with chomotherapy and rediation. "Cancer is not one disease, so the breed and cancer associations are endless." Dr. G. Padgett presented the following at the recent (Fall 2002) Symposium in Switzerland: FORTY FOUR (44) separate tumor types have been reported in Berners, with 7 types accounting for 81.6% of the 848 tumors reported. These are: Malignant/Systemic Histiocytosis - 30.4% Lymphosarcoma/Lymphoma - 15% Mastocarcoma/Mast Cell Tumor - 12.7% Hair Follicle Tumors - 6.8% Synovial Cell Tumors - 6.6% Hemagiosarcoma/Hemangioma - 6.4% Fibrosarcoma/Fibroma - 3.7% Osteosarcomas - 1.7% According to Padgett, malignant histiocytomas and mastosarcomas have been reported to be INHERITED, both as polygenic traits. He believes that hemangiosarcomas may also be INHERITED. Lymphosarcomas and fibrosarcomas seem NOT to be INHERITED. What's a person to do with this information? First, as in life, understand that even a breeder who carefully follows (i.e, collects health/death data about) her puppies (BOTH pet and show) and tries her best to cull out inherited disease, cannot offer a 100% guarantee that her puppy will not develop cancer at some time in his life. Having said that, there are still some things that you can do. For example, I would want to know A LOT about the dogs/bitches in the pup's family tree. From a simple analysis of how long the puppy's ancestors lived (age of death) and what did they die of (cause of death), you could learn a lot. If you see a lot of dogs/bitches dying of inherited cancers at age 3 in the puppy's line, that would be a red flag to me. On the other hand, if you saw a lot of them dying of cancer at age 10 and beyond, that incidence of cancer would be interpreted quite differently. Knowing which are inherited cancers and which are not is good information to have in interpreting age of death and cause of death data. Knowing a little bit about modes of inheritance is also useful (www.upei.ca/~cidd/patterns.htm#ad) . You don't need to be a geneticist, but it helps to have some vocabulary. The slide show at the Hutchinson Cancer Center website www.fhcrc.org/science/dog_genome/dogowner/dogowner.html (beginning with slide 4) gives you a feeling for how genetic defects are passed and how screening tests are developed. Here are some other links that might be useful, depending on the intensity of your desire for information -- Canine Diversity Project at U of Ottawa (http://www.magma.ca/~kaitlin/diverse.html#info); Info on Canine Genome/Genetics (www.siriusdog.com/primer.htm) Lianne, our breed tends to talk about the bad things more than some other breeds. By the same token, we are also leaders in collecting data on health (e.g., Berner Garde and the BMDCA). Much of these data are used to promote research on our breed (e.g., Padgett's studies and others) for the specific purpose of improving overall health and longevity. The thing to remember when assessing data is that information (even information about high disease rates) is a good thing. Do not conclude that because a breed does not put forth the effort to collect and organize such disease information, that the breed is somehow healthier than a breed that does. Where you have
Re: Raw bones & Diarrhea
- Original Message - From: "Cheryl Otis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > We have a problem when giving Tanner any kind of raw > bones, he developes a 72 hour bout of diarrhea after > digesting any of it. I have tried letting him chew on > them for just a short time, 15 to 20 minutes at a time > but it doesn't seem to make any difference. One of my girls gets loose stool and another one vomits after eating the raw meat attached to the bone (both are fine if someone else has had a go at it first). Since I have a hard time finding proper raw bones in my area, I always give Mic first crack at them since he has the ucky teeth and if anything is left then the girls get it. I guess if I did lots of little, low key exposure they'd adjust, but since I have difficulty getting the bones, I can't get on a good enough routine with them to adjust the whole house over. Mic is never bothered, thank goodness, since he is the high priority for the raw bones. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
Raw bones & Diarrhea
We have a problem when giving Tanner any kind of raw bones, he developes a 72 hour bout of diarrhea after digesting any of it. I have tried letting him chew on them for just a short time, 15 to 20 minutes at a time but it doesn't seem to make any difference. We have tried the marrow bones and the knuckle with no sucess. With the marrow bones, once the marrow is gone, he is fine chewing on the outer bone, or if we fill it with cheese or peanut butter. Our girls Tessa gets the same bones with no side effects, so I don't think the bones are spoiled. Tanner is now 11 months and has had this problem from day one. What I am wondering is if he just has a delicate stomach or something in his makeup that is different and how would you find out. Has anyone else had this ongoing problem? Regards, Cheryl, Tessa & Tanner Portland Or. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
re: Frequency of Health Problems
Hi Lynne: Your questions remind me of the saying "how long is a piece of string?"...answer...all depends on the piece of string you happen to be looking at. I'm not trying to be flippant here - instead trying to show that it's quite difficult to answer your questions (which are): **How frequently do these issues arise among Berners in comparison to other large breeds? How likely would it be that any one Berner puppy becomes afflicted and dies prematurely? Is this something that Berner owners expect at the outset? What is the likelihood that a Berner would reach 10 years of age or older? * Most breeders that I care to associate, and I include myself in this list, want all of our puppies to live long, healthy lives. No one ever wants to sell a puppy that is going to be afflicted or die prematurely. Being a breeder, I can not guarantee ever that a puppy I sell you will not be ill - that would be impossible. All I can do is show you what I've done beforehand to increase the likelihood that puppies I produce will live long, healthy lives. For me, these things are chosing parents that come from long lines of good ortheopedics and longevity. There will always be some cancers and ortho problems in the background - those cannot be avoided. In addition to this, I also do what I can to ensure that my dog's immune system is working at its peak - for me, that is feeding a diet that has minimal processed foods (I occasionally feed some grains to my dogs) - the rest is raw and unprocessed - fresh veggies, fruits and meats/bones. I also do not put any type of poisons into my dog's system in the forms of flea and tick medications or heartworm (I am fortunate to not have those type of problems where I live). And I do very minimal vaccinations. I also take care not to expose my animals to environmental toxins such as weed killers, lawn fertilizers..things like that. I am working now on 3rd generation puppies - ones that come from parents who have been raw fed and minimally exposed to toxins in the hopes that this will be the key to a long, healthy life - one where my pups will be routinely surviving into their teens. I've personally had 3 berners that have survived past 10 years of age. This is what I do. Note - this doesn't mean other breeders methods are wrong. So, when you are searching for your puppy, find out what the breeder is actively doing to increase the chances that a puppy you buy from them will be healthy. A breeder will always have had some problems (especially if she's been breeding a long time). And here's the kicker...despite our best efforts, there will be the occasional puppy (and sometimes more than occasional re: litter from hell) that will have many problems. You have to determine whether you will take the risk. I can tell you though, that even a few months with a berner is worth it. Good luck in your search, Debbie -- Hunka Hunka Berner Love - Kimberlite Reg'd. Debbie Tripp - Saskatchewan Canada - Berners since 1986 http://www.kimberlitebernese.com
Re: I'm new
Welcome to the Berner-L Franny. Thanks for the introduction. : ) Bernerly, Jeff & Mary Chapdelaine SnoBear Berners N. California, USA http://snobear.freeyellow.com "When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself." Wayne Dyer - Psychotherapist, Author and Speaker
Advice - Wedding Cake Toppers?
Has anyone on the list purchased a wedding cake topper of berner figurines? If so, were you happy with it and how much did they look like berners (as opposed to a general dog figurine painted berner colours)? I'm asking because I have come across a couple in my search, but no photo of the berner topper exists, and I'm looking to see which best resembles a berner. I'd really like them to look as much as possible like real berners, and not a generic doggy figurine (i,.e. not a golden/setter/etc type painted berner colours). Barring that, are there any sites where you have been particularly happy/unhappy with their berner figurines in general? Private replies are great. Thanks for your help, Jen (with the flower girl and ring bearer snoring away behind me)
Re: Berner database
In a message dated 2/12/03 1:07:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Pat, Don't you DARE apologize!! I mean, you can if you want, don't let me stop you BUT I just want you to know there is absolutely no reason for you to. THANK YOU SO MUCH for taking this on. It is a huge job even it you are doing it for the "interim". >> Dear Pat, This note should have been written by me. You have taken on yet another assignment for our Berners' cause. My heart thanks you. Ann Lee Fuller
Hugo's chiar
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I'm new
I'm Franny, living in South Carolina along w/my husband of 44 years, two adopted grandsons(Adam 12 1/2) and Mack(9)along with a smooth fox terrier( Gus 5), and bulldog(english) Slugger 1). I've been enjoying the list a whole lot, have already learned so much. Thanks for having me here! Franny/South Carolina
Hugo's chair
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Erroneous Potomac Valley information
Hi Ler's, I did post some erroneous information regarding the Potomac Valley Specialty on March 8th and 9th Specialty. The Titleholders and Veterans Parade will not include therapy dogs or rescued dogs this year. I do apologize for my error. Maria Crifasi Catoctin Mountains, Maryland
Funny Habit
"Lily has a funny habit, and I was wondering if anyone could shed somelight on why she does it.Whenever my husband comes home, she races around the house to find abeat-up old stuffed duck they dogs play with." Hi Julia, I can't give you any advise as to why Lily does this, but our Berner, Titan, has a ritual of retrieving his bone when my husband comes home from work, he will run around like a maniac looking for it. When he finds it he runs to my husbands feet, lays down wagging his tail, and chews. We are now in the habit of saying "show dad your bone titan!" Don't know why this behavior started, but it is rather cute. I wish my greetings were as gentle, I generally get big berner hugs when I come in, that is, front dog legs wrapped around my upper body and lots of kisses! Lily sounds special! Janice Ward (& Titan) Pittsburgh PASTOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
Donna and Hugo
Hi Donna, You mentioned in an earlier post that your specialist had suggested an MRI but that you decided against it because you had decided no more surgery for Hugo. I respect your decision about the surgery but got to thinking that the specialist might have suggested the MRI as a tool to establish Hugo's status. It would be useful to know if he has any further spinal deterioration or potential tumour status, with the disabled dog it would help to know what other conditions/if any might be presenting themselves. Rose T.
RE: Healthy Teeth
Hi Terri, A nice soft toothbrush and some enzymatic toothpaste will do the trick:-) Rose T.
Poop eaters ...AGAIN
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Re: Housetraining while working
Just to add to Sherri's great post about living with a young puppy when you have to be gone several hours each day...a dog walker can be a very good option to explore! There are lots of them out there (who knew?) and it is a fairly affordable luxury (I pay $15 for 45 minutes of play/potty time). My first Bernese was 9 months old when he came to live with us, so he could handle a 6 or 7 hour separation 4 days a week. When my elderly Bichon died last spring, I was able to add a puppy Bernese to our family over the summer when someone would always be home (timing is everything; we were lucky that Titan's breeder bumped us to the top of her "list" as a "repeat customer"). By Fall, Maddie was 4 months old, everyone went back to school or work, and we got a dog sitter for midday. Funny, in all the years I was anxious to have a baby puppy, this solution had never occurred to me. It can make the whole thing possible. Anne Cranford, NJ with Maddie and Titan
Nutrience
Nutrience dog food is being introduced here in S Africa and I wonder if any of the L'ers have any information about it. Apparently it is manufactured by Rolf C Hagen in Canada and it is also available in the UK. Thank you Marion Brown Teversal Bernese Mountain Dogs South Africa Dogs Never Lie About Love (Jeffrey Masson)
Re: BERNER-L digest 4267
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Bo Update!
Just spoke to Kelvin and results are back from Bo's needle aspirate biopsy on the lymph nodes. Diagnosis is Lymphosarcoma. Bo will now be having full biopsy done to identify the type! Bo is on Prednisone at the moment and is doing fine so we are hopeful is one of the milder forms of lymphoma that is treatable with chemo. Biggest Berner hugs to Kelvin, Royce, Bo and Amber, Find their pics here: http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/gang9f.htm All love, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
Hugo says... "wow" to you all
I came back (all wet) from being in San Diego with Hugo and was overwhelmed to see how you guys have been working so hard for Hugo - all of you - Andrea, Pat L., Pat T., Rusty and Sylvia and everyone who's emailed me and others I don't even know about - I truly thank you. We're both extremely touched and grateful and humble that you all have such heart and faith in Hugie. He's going to try his best not to disappoint you. Hugo says the chair does not belong to him, it belongs to any berner who cannot stand. About today, Hugie must have thought I'd gone crazy taking him to a pool in the pouring rain. Trish from Cutting Edge K9 rehab was waiting for us as the other clients cancelled due to rain. But we were determined. It took 2 1/2 hours to get there but Hugo tolerated the drive just fine. We carried Hugo on his stretcher out to a hydraulic platform by the heated pool. Trish lowered the platform while I was knee-deep in water, keeping his head out of water. Once he was in the pool, with her supporting him, she put a life-jacket on him. She held him by a handle on the back and as he hung there floating, he had the funniest quizzical look on his face, like, "Boy, this is new. I'm flying!" (you know how expressive they are). Surprisingly he was not scared but relaxed. It was nice to see him in an upright dog position again even if it was just due to the water. She worked his legs and floated him for 1/2 an hour and although we did not get the magic response we all would have loved, she said it doesn't always happen on the first time but could happen later. She was glad to see he seemed to be processing new sensations as she was moving his paws, as if he was making the connection that these were *his* feet. We're going to try again this weekend. We noticed once he was home that for the first time in 10 days he was exceptionally relaxed and limber... and very tired. :) Donna and Hugo
