Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
I know this is off topic but I had to add another point to the guide dog comments. At GEB, where I got my dog (guiding eyes for the Blind) they mentioned that if we were in a place where there was no fence to use a long line leash. Do! Not! use! A! Retractable! leash! The long lines that I noticed and purchased well at GEB are a long flat 20 foot leash. This way if the dog chews on the leash well at it's extention it's not going to fly back and hit you. if you don't want to supervise your dog well outside is there a reason why you can't build a fence? Blaine - Original Message - From: Joe Plummer To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 6:56 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Hi, if you are doing this for your Guide dog this is a bad idea. Let me tell you one reason and give a example. One- if you get your Guide dog scared of a particular place in your yard if you ever needed to cross that area or even go up to it she or he wouldn't. This would be in my opinion a bad thing. Now let's give some other reason and example. Two- if he or she was out in the real world and seen say tape or just flags he might and more than likely associate it with the correction he will get if he was at home. I also would be hesitate at putting my dog in a hands of a man to train him or her on the fence. Most normal dog trainers has no idea how to go about training a Guide dog. You cannot do traditional training for them. Now to cut this short, I myself have a seeing eye dog and was thinking about this. I decided against this. For these reasons and on advice of my place of where I got my seeing eye dog. I got my from Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation. They recommended against it. They said the shock was not good for them, and was not acceptable way to train a Guide dog. I heard someone say it did not hurt them. If they think that then I challenge them to put the collar on and try it. I don't think they will have the same opinion after that. I agree with the post below. I would contact my Guide dog provider before doing anything. Just my thoughts of a Guide dog owner. Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplum...@tds.net -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edward Przybylek Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:18 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Hi Joy, I would strongly suggest that you talk to a guide dog instructor before you install a fence. They may have some reasons for not putting one in or some suggestions for training your dog. Take care, Ed Przybylek From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Joy Cyr Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:37 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Dear Joe, Thanks for the encouragement. Knowing that they are simple to install and that a specialist isn't required does make the possibility of my affording one more likely. I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog. It would be nice for my retired guide as well, but since she is older the need to run off excess energy isn't as pressing as it will be for the new member of the family and I was thinking/hoping this might be a good way to manage. I won't have him for several months, maybe a year, which gives me lots of time to plan carefully. Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4772 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com <http://www.eset.com> __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4772 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com <http://www.eset.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
have you thought of using a retractable leash with your guide dog in the open unfenced area. Art - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Dear Ed and Bill, First, Ed thanks for the research info, ... much easier when you start with the right search terms and a company name to look for and compare alternatives too. Secondly, please don't worry I will indeed discuss the idea with a trainer, ... but there is no point in bringing it up if I read up on it and don't like it, or can't afford to install one. However, if it is a viable option then I would like to talk it over and see what is best to be arranged. I've got a large property (too large, major headache to keep mowed in the summer), and there is sadly no way I can afford a conventional fence, which is what I'd most like to have built. At the moment there is a smaller area securely fenced that acts as a sort of dog run. However, it is a pity to have that large stretch of grass that a dog(s) would so love to play on and not be using it more than a few times a year. But I wouldn't feel comfortable going out on my own to let the dog run without some safety measures installed. So thank you for all the help, I'll go do my homework now. Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Yes, I agree. As I said before and will say again it is a bad thing for a Guide dog. Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplum...@tds.net -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wstep...@everestkc.net Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:46 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Joy: If this is a guide, careful consideration is probably in order. I say this because guides do occasionally receive electgrical shocks in their working environment from things as varried as vehicles with bad wiring and stray current from street lights etc. In general, most of the guide dog trainers I have spoken with about using an E collar won't do it partly because of the potential for really confusing and spooking a dog. Obviously we all do the best we can where guides are concerned, so this is just a little more info to process. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net> Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr mailto:delights%40aei.ca> > Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:36 am Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs > Dear Joe, > Thanks for the encouragement. Knowing that they are simple to > install and that a specialist isn't required does make the > possibility of my affording one more likely. > > I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog. It would be > nice for my retired guide as well, but since she is older the need > to run off excess energy isn't as pressing as it will be for the > new member of the family and I was thinking/hoping this might be a > good way to manage. I won't have him for several months, maybe a > year, which gives me lots of time to plan carefully. > > Yours sincerely, > Joy > > > Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your > appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. > Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of > handmade warmth from home. > To find out how you can help, please visit > www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Hi, what you all are forgetting this is for a Guide dog and I say again and see my previous post on this it is a bad thing for them. For just a pet I would say go for it. But you are talking about a sensitive dog and one that will be having your life in it control. I myself would think twice before doing this and would Talk to my Guide dog provider and their trainers first. Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplum...@tds.net -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edward Przybylek Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:16 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Hi Lenny, The fence I have has an adjustment that determines how far from the fence the dog will begin to get a shock. If I remember correctly, this can be set to 30 or 40 feet. If it were set to this range, the dog would be getting a shock for approximately 60 to 80 feet. Even at full tilt, it's going to take a dog a bit of time to cross this distance while he is getting shocked. If the collar is set to deliver a strong shock, I think it would take an insane beast to keep crossing the line. My dog was a 120 pound Rottweiler German Shepherd mix with a very stubborn streak. He never crossed the line after his week of trainging. As he began to religeously respect the fence, I eventually decreased the range of the fence to 3 feet on either side of the fence wire. I loved watching people walking down the sidewalk while my dog stood 3 feet or so from them growling and snarling as they walked by. Most simply crossed the street before they got to my property. Take care, Ed Przybylek From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:41 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Joy, to add what Bill stated they do not always work. I have a friend who installs fencing. He put one of these in for someone. The dog would not go near the fence until one day. He bolted out of the house and crossed the fence. He quickly learned that this spot would not really hurt him. From then on he would not go near the rest of the property line but would frequently bolt through the spot where he first broke through. - Original Message - From: mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net> <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net> > To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Joy: Couple thoughts on these. First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy to install. However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing shock collars can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity. Whether that's a problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of dogs are around you. I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew through the shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is. The other thing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to want to cross the line where the fence is burried. If it's only in your back yard, that probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these surrounding pretty much all of her property, and her dog really panics every time they take him too close to the fence. They actually have to put him in their vehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him for walks. Good luck with this. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net> <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net> Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr mailto:delights%40aei.ca> <mailto:delights%40aei.ca> > Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs > Good day fellow listers, > You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be > able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used > or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the > basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. > Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about > what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be > appreciated. > Thank you for any and all replies, > Yours sincerely, > Joy > > > Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your > appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. > Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of > handmade warmth from home.
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Hi, if you are doing this for your Guide dog this is a bad idea. Let me tell you one reason and give a example. One- if you get your Guide dog scared of a particular place in your yard if you ever needed to cross that area or even go up to it she or he wouldn't. This would be in my opinion a bad thing. Now let's give some other reason and example. Two- if he or she was out in the real world and seen say tape or just flags he might and more than likely associate it with the correction he will get if he was at home. I also would be hesitate at putting my dog in a hands of a man to train him or her on the fence. Most normal dog trainers has no idea how to go about training a Guide dog. You cannot do traditional training for them. Now to cut this short, I myself have a seeing eye dog and was thinking about this. I decided against this. For these reasons and on advice of my place of where I got my seeing eye dog. I got my from Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation. They recommended against it. They said the shock was not good for them, and was not acceptable way to train a Guide dog. I heard someone say it did not hurt them. If they think that then I challenge them to put the collar on and try it. I don't think they will have the same opinion after that. I agree with the post below. I would contact my Guide dog provider before doing anything. Just my thoughts of a Guide dog owner. Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplum...@tds.net -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edward Przybylek Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:18 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Hi Joy, I would strongly suggest that you talk to a guide dog instructor before you install a fence. They may have some reasons for not putting one in or some suggestions for training your dog. Take care, Ed Przybylek From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Joy Cyr Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:37 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Dear Joe, Thanks for the encouragement. Knowing that they are simple to install and that a specialist isn't required does make the possibility of my affording one more likely. I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog. It would be nice for my retired guide as well, but since she is older the need to run off excess energy isn't as pressing as it will be for the new member of the family and I was thinking/hoping this might be a good way to manage. I won't have him for several months, maybe a year, which gives me lots of time to plan carefully. Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4772 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com <http://www.eset.com> __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4772 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com <http://www.eset.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Before I comment on the post re invisible fencing, let me fill you in with what has been, or more accurately, * not been happening. My computer's sound card chose Dec23rd to join other deceased sound cards in the great sound card rubbish tip in the sky. It could scarcely have picked a more inconvenient time to kick the bucket. What with the Christmas and New Year shutdowns, and given that my computer technicians could never mount a challenge to Speedy Gonzales, I have been computerless until today. Now for my comments on invisible fencing. It may keep your own dog off the street, but it does not prevent wandering dogs from coming off it and invading your dog's territory. Personally, for this reason if no other, I wouldn't rely on one. Jewel -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joy Cyr Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:29 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Good day fellow listers, You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be appreciated. Thank you for any and all replies, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4759 (20100110) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
I have known of cases where dog or dogs have got out during the moment when they were excided or mad then were unable to return home because the fence would shock them when approaching from the wrong side of the fence when coming home. - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:29 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Good day fellow listers, You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be appreciated. Thank you for any and all replies, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
My friend uses an invisible fence. The dog wears a special collar and if he goes to far away from the base unit he gets a shock. My friend says it doesn't hurt him, just enough to tell him to go back the other way. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Dear Ed and Bill, First, Ed thanks for the research info, ... much easier when you start with the right search terms and a company name to look for and compare alternatives too. Secondly, please don't worry I will indeed discuss the idea with a trainer, ... but there is no point in bringing it up if I read up on it and don't like it, or can't afford to install one. However, if it is a viable option then I would like to talk it over and see what is best to be arranged. I've got a large property (too large, major headache to keep mowed in the summer), and there is sadly no way I can afford a conventional fence, which is what I'd most like to have built. At the moment there is a smaller area securely fenced that acts as a sort of dog run. However, it is a pity to have that large stretch of grass that a dog(s) would so love to play on and not be using it more than a few times a year. But I wouldn't feel comfortable going out on my own to let the dog run without some safety measures installed. So thank you for all the help, I'll go do my homework now. Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Hi Joy, I would strongly suggest that you talk to a guide dog instructor before you install a fence. They may have some reasons for not putting one in or some suggestions for training your dog. Take care, Ed Przybylek From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joy Cyr Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:37 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Dear Joe, Thanks for the encouragement. Knowing that they are simple to install and that a specialist isn't required does make the possibility of my affording one more likely. I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog. It would be nice for my retired guide as well, but since she is older the need to run off excess energy isn't as pressing as it will be for the new member of the family and I was thinking/hoping this might be a good way to manage. I won't have him for several months, maybe a year, which gives me lots of time to plan carefully. Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4772 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4772 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Hi Lenny, The fence I have has an adjustment that determines how far from the fence the dog will begin to get a shock. If I remember correctly, this can be set to 30 or 40 feet. If it were set to this range, the dog would be getting a shock for approximately 60 to 80 feet. Even at full tilt, it's going to take a dog a bit of time to cross this distance while he is getting shocked. If the collar is set to deliver a strong shock, I think it would take an insane beast to keep crossing the line. My dog was a 120 pound Rottweiler German Shepherd mix with a very stubborn streak. He never crossed the line after his week of trainging. As he began to religeously respect the fence, I eventually decreased the range of the fence to 3 feet on either side of the fence wire. I loved watching people walking down the sidewalk while my dog stood 3 feet or so from them growling and snarling as they walked by. Most simply crossed the street before they got to my property. Take care, Ed Przybylek From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:41 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Joy, to add what Bill stated they do not always work. I have a friend who installs fencing. He put one of these in for someone. The dog would not go near the fence until one day. He bolted out of the house and crossed the fence. He quickly learned that this spot would not really hurt him. From then on he would not go near the rest of the property line but would frequently bolt through the spot where he first broke through. - Original Message - From: mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net> > To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Joy: Couple thoughts on these. First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy to install. However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing shock collars can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity. Whether that's a problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of dogs are around you. I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew through the shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is. The other thing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to want to cross the line where the fence is burried. If it's only in your back yard, that probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these surrounding pretty much all of her property, and her dog really panics every time they take him too close to the fence. They actually have to put him in their vehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him for walks. Good luck with this. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net> Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr mailto:delights%40aei.ca> > Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs > Good day fellow listers, > You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be > able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used > or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the > basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. > Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about > what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be > appreciated. > Thank you for any and all replies, > Yours sincerely, > Joy > > > Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your > appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. > Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of > handmade warmth from home. > To find out how you can help, please visit > www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman-owner%40yahoogroups.com> To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster <http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_ page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29> &PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives
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Hi Joy, You can find electronic fences at Lowes and Home Depot but I don't recommend them. After looking at numerous fences on the Internet, I purchased a unit from Innotek. If I remember correctly, the fence cost $279.00. The thing I liked about their fences is they have several safety features built into their fences that protect an animal from harm if they get into certain situations. Innotek does have a web site but it is currently under construction. If you search for electronic enclosures on Google, you'll find numerous vendors who carry Innotek products. Let me know if I can be of any further assistance. Take care, Ed Przybylek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Ed, my sister is one of those people who can unwind a dog's DNA if she's around it long enough, so I have no doubt that you were able to teach your dog in the manner you mention. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Edward Przybylek Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:53 am Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs > Hi Bill, > > > > Not to disaggree with you but there are ways to handle large dogs > who aren't > afraid of crossing the fence line and getting a shock. A friend > of mine had > such a beast and they took care of the problem by using a receiver > that was > strapped around the dog's waist. This receiver was capable of a much > stronger shock than the neck collar and it only took an hour or so to > convince the dog he no longer wanted to cross the line. As far as > a dog not > wanting to leave a yard after getting a shock or two, this issue > was covered > on the video I received. Again, after a day or so, my dog > realized he would > not get a shock if he crossed the line wearing a leash. The good > thingabout this is that he would not cross the line if he was not > wearing a leash > even though he wasn't wearing his collar. This was actually a > good thing. > If he snuck out of the house without the collar, we knew he > wouldn't go > anywhere beyond the fence. > > > > Take care, > > Ed > > > > From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of > wstep...@everestkc.netsent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:29 AM > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs > > > > > > Joy: Couple thoughts on these. > > First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy to > install. However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing > shock collars > can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity. Whether > that's a > problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of > dogs are > around you. > I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew > through the > shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is. The > otherthing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to > want to cross > the line where the fence is burried. If it's only in your back > yard, that > probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these > surroundingpretty much all of her property, and her dog really > panics every time they > take him too close to the fence. They actually have to put him in > theirvehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him > for walks. Good > luck with this. > > Bill Stephan > Kansas Citty MO > Email: wstep...@everestkc.net <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net> > Phone: (816)803-2469 > > - Original Message - > From: Joy Cyr mailto:delights%40aei.ca> > > Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs > > Good day fellow listers, > > You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be > > able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used > > or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know > the > > basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. > > Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about > > what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be > > appreciated. > > Thank you for any and all replies, > > Yours sincerely, > > Joy > > > > > > Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your > > appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. > > Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of > > handmade warmth from home. > > To find out how you can help, please visit > > www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signaturedatabase 4771 (20100114) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signaturedatabase 4771 (20100114) __ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >
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Joy: If this is a guide, careful consideration is probably in order. I say this because guides do occasionally receive electgrical shocks in their working environment from things as varried as vehicles with bad wiring and stray current from street lights etc. In general, most of the guide dog trainers I have spoken with about using an E collar won't do it partly because of the potential for really confusing and spooking a dog. Obviously we all do the best we can where guides are concerned, so this is just a little more info to process. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:36 am Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs > Dear Joe, > Thanks for the encouragement. Knowing that they are simple to > install and that a specialist isn't required does make the > possibility of my affording one more likely. > > I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog. It would be > nice for my retired guide as well, but since she is older the need > to run off excess energy isn't as pressing as it will be for the > new member of the family and I was thinking/hoping this might be a > good way to manage. I won't have him for several months, maybe a > year, which gives me lots of time to plan carefully. > > Yours sincerely, > Joy > > > Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your > appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. > Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of > handmade warmth from home. > To find out how you can help, please visit > www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >
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Dear Ed, Thanks for noting that there are ways to handle dogs that think crossing is worthwhile! Really good to know! Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Thanks, ... good to know all sides, even the less than encouraging ones. Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Dear Joe, Thanks for the encouragement. Knowing that they are simple to install and that a specialist isn't required does make the possibility of my affording one more likely. I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog. It would be nice for my retired guide as well, but since she is older the need to run off excess energy isn't as pressing as it will be for the new member of the family and I was thinking/hoping this might be a good way to manage. I won't have him for several months, maybe a year, which gives me lots of time to plan carefully. Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hi Bill, Not to disaggree with you but there are ways to handle large dogs who aren't afraid of crossing the fence line and getting a shock. A friend of mine had such a beast and they took care of the problem by using a receiver that was strapped around the dog's waist. This receiver was capable of a much stronger shock than the neck collar and it only took an hour or so to convince the dog he no longer wanted to cross the line. As far as a dog not wanting to leave a yard after getting a shock or two, this issue was covered on the video I received. Again, after a day or so, my dog realized he would not get a shock if he crossed the line wearing a leash. The good thing about this is that he would not cross the line if he was not wearing a leash even though he wasn't wearing his collar. This was actually a good thing. If he snuck out of the house without the collar, we knew he wouldn't go anywhere beyond the fence. Take care, Ed From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wstep...@everestkc.net Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:29 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Joy: Couple thoughts on these. First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy to install. However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing shock collars can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity. Whether that's a problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of dogs are around you. I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew through the shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is. The other thing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to want to cross the line where the fence is burried. If it's only in your back yard, that probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these surrounding pretty much all of her property, and her dog really panics every time they take him too close to the fence. They actually have to put him in their vehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him for walks. Good luck with this. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net> Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr mailto:delights%40aei.ca> > Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs > Good day fellow listers, > You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be > able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used > or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the > basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. > Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about > what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be > appreciated. > Thank you for any and all replies, > Yours sincerely, > Joy > > > Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your > appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. > Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of > handmade warmth from home. > To find out how you can help, please visit > www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4771 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4771 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Joy, to add what Bill stated they do not always work. I have a friend who installs fencing. He put one of these in for someone. The dog would not go near the fence until one day. He bolted out of the house and crossed the fence. He quickly learned that this spot would not really hurt him. From then on he would not go near the rest of the property line but would frequently bolt through the spot where he first broke through. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Joy: Couple thoughts on these. First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy to install. However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing shock collars can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity. Whether that's a problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of dogs are around you. I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew through the shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is. The other thing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to want to cross the line where the fence is burried. If it's only in your back yard, that probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these surrounding pretty much all of her property, and her dog really panics every time they take him too close to the fence. They actually have to put him in their vehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him for walks. Good luck with this. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs > Good day fellow listers, > You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be > able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used > or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the > basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. > Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about > what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be > appreciated. > Thank you for any and all replies, > Yours sincerely, > Joy > > > Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your > appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. > Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of > handmade warmth from home. > To find out how you can help, please visit > www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4771 (20100114) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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Dear Bill, Thank you, those are definitely good points and I can't say I'd thought of them. I don't think they pose a problem (except for the dog potentially jumping the wire in spite of the shock, ... have no way to evaluate that as of yet since I don't yet have the dog), but insuring the fence line doesn't pose a problem to cross would be wise to keep in mind when planning the exact parameters of the enclosure. Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Dear Ed, Yes that does help, ... thank you! I was wondering about price, and I hadn't realized there was a company called invisible fence until I tried to do a quick search on the net. I was startled since I didn't think it had to be installed by the company. I will do a search for electronic enclosures, ... thanks for that tip. (Besides, I wouldn't want some unknown person training my dog!) Encouraging that your dog took to it so quickly, and that it was relatively economical. May I ask about how large is the area you enclosed? Thanks again, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! - Original Message - From: Edward Przybylek To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Hi Joy, I have an invisible fence installed in my yard. I used it with my last dog for approximately 12 years. I installed it myself and trained my dog to respect the fence. The installation was quite simple and took approximately 4 hours. The company from which I purchased the fence supplied a video tape on how to train your dog. The instructions were easy to follow and it took me about a week to train my dog. If you're talking about buying your fence from a company actually called Invisible Fence, I strongly suggest you search the Internet for "electronic animal enclosures" before you spend your money. When I talked to the Invisible Fence company, they wanted $1500.00 to install a fence and train my dog for half a day. I purchased a very similar fence on the Internet for $300.00. Again, that was 12 years ago so I would imagine that the price at Invisible Fence has gone up considerably. Hope this helps. Take care, Ed Przybylek From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joy Cyr Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:29 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Good day fellow listers, You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be appreciated. Thank you for any and all replies, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4771 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4771 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Joy: Couple thoughts on these. First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy to install. However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing shock collars can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity. Whether that's a problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of dogs are around you. I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew through the shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is. The other thing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to want to cross the line where the fence is burried. If it's only in your back yard, that probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these surrounding pretty much all of her property, and her dog really panics every time they take him too close to the fence. They actually have to put him in their vehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him for walks. Good luck with this. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs > Good day fellow listers, > You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be > able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used > or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the > basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. > Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about > what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be > appreciated. > Thank you for any and all replies, > Yours sincerely, > Joy > > > Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your > appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. > Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of > handmade warmth from home. > To find out how you can help, please visit > www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >
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Hi Joy, I have an invisible fence installed in my yard. I used it with my last dog for approximately 12 years. I installed it myself and trained my dog to respect the fence. The installation was quite simple and took approximately 4 hours. The company from which I purchased the fence supplied a video tape on how to train your dog. The instructions were easy to follow and it took me about a week to train my dog. If you're talking about buying your fence from a company actually called Invisible Fence, I strongly suggest you search the Internet for "electronic animal enclosures" before you spend your money. When I talked to the Invisible Fence company, they wanted $1500.00 to install a fence and train my dog for half a day. I purchased a very similar fence on the Internet for $300.00. Again, that was 12 years ago so I would imagine that the price at Invisible Fence has gone up considerably. Hope this helps. Take care, Ed Przybylek From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joy Cyr Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:29 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Good day fellow listers, You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be appreciated. Thank you for any and all replies, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4771 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4771 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hi, installing one is a breeze really. Most can be easily installed just a few inches below the ground or it can be just laid on the ground and just let the grass grow over the wire. Some can even be done like traditional fencing. Like I say installing the fence is not the problem. If the dogs is not properly trained the fence will not work. This usual takes somewhere around 2 weeks to a month. Now this is on average. It may take more it depends on the dog you are trying to teach. May I ask what do you are trying to keep in? Is it your seeing eye dog? Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplum...@tds.net -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joy Cyr Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:29 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Good day fellow listers, You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be appreciated. Thank you for any and all replies, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]