Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-15 Thread Blaine Deutscher
I know this is off topic but I had to add another point to the guide dog 
comments. At GEB, where I got my dog (guiding eyes for the Blind) they 
mentioned that if we were in a place where there was no fence to use a long 
line leash. Do! Not! use! A! Retractable! leash! The long lines that I 
noticed and purchased well at GEB are a long flat 20 foot leash. This way if 
the dog chews on the leash well at it's extention it's not going to fly back 
and hit you. if you don't want to supervise your dog well outside is there a 
reason why you can't build a fence?

Blaine
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Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 6:56 AM
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Hi, if you are doing this for your Guide dog this is a bad idea. Let me tell
you one reason and give a example. One- if you get your Guide dog scared of
a particular place in your yard if you ever needed to cross that area or
even go up to it she or he wouldn't. This would be in my opinion a bad
thing. Now let's give some other reason and example. Two- if he or she was
out in the real world and seen say tape or just flags he might and more than
likely associate it with the correction he will get if he was at home. I
also would be hesitate at putting my dog in a hands of a man to train him or
her on the fence. Most normal dog trainers has no idea how to go about
training a Guide dog. You cannot do traditional training for them. Now to
cut this short, I myself have a seeing eye dog and was thinking about this.
I decided against this. For these reasons and on advice of my place of where
I got my seeing eye dog. I got my from Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation. They
recommended against it. They said the shock was not good for them, and was
not acceptable way to train a Guide dog. I heard someone say it did not hurt
them. If they think that then I challenge them to put the collar on and try
it. I don't think they will have the same opinion after that. I agree with
the post below. I would contact my Guide dog provider before doing anything.
Just my thoughts of a Guide dog owner.

Sign,
JP ( Joe Plummer)
joeplum...@tds.net

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On Behalf Of Edward Przybylek
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:18 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

Hi Joy,

I would strongly suggest that you talk to a guide dog instructor before you
install a fence. They may have some reasons for not putting one in or some
suggestions for training your dog.

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

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Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

Dear Joe,
Thanks for the encouragement. Knowing that they are simple to install and
that a specialist isn't required does make the possibility of my affording
one more likely.

I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog. It would be nice for my
retired guide as well, but since she is older the need to run off excess
energy isn't as pressing as it will be for the new member of the family and
I was thinking/hoping this might be a good way to manage. I won't have him
for several months, maybe a year, which gives me lots of time to plan
carefully.

Yours sincerely,
Joy

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-15 Thread Art Rizzino
have you thought of using a retractable leash with your guide dog in the open 
unfenced area.
Art
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  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs



  Dear Ed and Bill,
  First, Ed thanks for the research info, ... much easier when you start with 
the right search terms and a company name to look for and compare alternatives 
too.

  Secondly, please don't worry I will indeed discuss the idea with a trainer, 
... but there is no point in bringing it up if I read up on it and don't like 
it, or can't afford to install one. However, if it is a viable option then I 
would like to talk it over and see what is best to be arranged. I've got a 
large property (too large, major headache to keep mowed in the summer), and 
there is sadly no way I can afford a conventional fence, which is what I'd most 
like to have built. At the moment there is a smaller area securely fenced that 
acts as a sort of dog run. However, it is a pity to have that large stretch of 
grass that a dog(s) would so love to play on and not be using it more than a 
few times a year. But I wouldn't feel comfortable going out on my own to let 
the dog run without some safety measures installed. 

  So thank you for all the help, I'll go do my homework now.

  Yours sincerely,
  Joy

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-15 Thread Joe Plummer
Yes, I agree. As I said before and will say again it is a bad thing for a
Guide dog. 


Sign,
JP ( Joe Plummer)
joeplum...@tds.net


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On Behalf Of wstep...@everestkc.net
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:46 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

  

Joy: If this is a guide, careful consideration is probably in order. I say
this because guides do occasionally receive electgrical shocks in their
working environment from things as varried as vehicles with bad wiring and
stray current from street lights etc. In general, most of the guide dog
trainers I have spoken with about using an E collar won't do it partly
because of the potential for really confusing and spooking a dog. Obviously
we all do the best we can where guides are concerned, so this is just a
little more info to process.

Bill Stephan 
Kansas Citty MO 
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net>  
Phone: (816)803-2469

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From: Joy Cyr mailto:delights%40aei.ca> >
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:36 am
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
> Dear Joe, 
> Thanks for the encouragement. Knowing that they are simple to 
> install and that a specialist isn't required does make the 
> possibility of my affording one more likely. 
> 
> I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog. It would be 
> nice for my retired guide as well, but since she is older the need 
> to run off excess energy isn't as pressing as it will be for the 
> new member of the family and I was thinking/hoping this might be a 
> good way to manage. I won't have him for several months, maybe a 
> year, which gives me lots of time to plan carefully. 
> 
> Yours sincerely, 
> Joy 
> 
> 
> Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your 
> appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. 
> Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of 
> handmade warmth from home. 
> To find out how you can help, please visit 
> www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! 
> 
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> 
> 






RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-15 Thread Joe Plummer
Hi, what you all are forgetting this is for a Guide dog and I say again and
see my previous post on this it is a bad thing for them. For just a pet I
would say go for it. But you are talking about a sensitive dog and one that
will be having your life in it control. I myself would think twice before
doing this and would Talk to my Guide dog provider and their trainers first.


Sign,
JP ( Joe Plummer)
joeplum...@tds.net


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From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Edward Przybylek
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:16 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

  

Hi Lenny,

The fence I have has an adjustment that determines how far from the fence
the dog will begin to get a shock. If I remember correctly, this can be set
to 30 or 40 feet. If it were set to this range, the dog would be getting a
shock for approximately 60 to 80 feet. Even at full tilt, it's going to
take a dog a bit of time to cross this distance while he is getting shocked.
If the collar is set to deliver a strong shock, I think it would take an
insane beast to keep crossing the line. My dog was a 120 pound Rottweiler
German Shepherd mix with a very stubborn streak. He never crossed the line
after his week of trainging. As he began to religeously respect the fence,
I eventually decreased the range of the fence to 3 feet on either side of
the fence wire. I loved watching people walking down the sidewalk while my
dog stood 3 feet or so from them growling and snarling as they walked by.
Most simply crossed the street before they got to my property.

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:41 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

Joy, to add what Bill stated they do not always work. I have a friend who 
installs fencing. He put one of these in for someone. The dog would not go 
near the fence until one day. He bolted out of the house and crossed the 
fence. He quickly learned that this spot would not really hurt him. From 
then on he would not go near the rest of the property line but would 
frequently bolt through the spot where he first broke through.
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Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:29 AM
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Joy: Couple thoughts on these.

First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy to 
install. However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing shock collars 
can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity. Whether that's a 
problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of dogs are 
around you.
I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew through the

shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is. The other 
thing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to want to cross 
the line where the fence is burried. If it's only in your back yard, that 
probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these surrounding 
pretty much all of her property, and her dog really panics every time they 
take him too close to the fence. They actually have to put him in their 
vehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him for walks. Good 
luck with this.

Bill Stephan
Kansas Citty MO
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net>
<mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net> 
Phone: (816)803-2469

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From: Joy Cyr mailto:delights%40aei.ca>
<mailto:delights%40aei.ca> >
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
> Good day fellow listers,
> You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be
> able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used
> or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the
> basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one.
> Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about
> what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be
> appreciated.
> Thank you for any and all replies,
> Yours sincerely,
> Joy
>
>
> Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your
> appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas.
> Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of
> handmade warmth from home.

RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-15 Thread Joe Plummer
Hi, if you are doing this for your Guide dog this is a bad idea. Let me tell
you one reason and give a example. One- if you get your Guide dog scared of
a particular place in your yard if you ever needed to cross that area or
even go up to it she or he  wouldn't. This would be in my opinion a bad
thing. Now let's give some other reason and example. Two- if he or she was
out in the real world and seen say tape or just flags he might and more than
likely associate it with the correction he will get if he was at home. I
also would be hesitate at putting my dog in a hands of a man to train him or
her on the fence. Most normal dog trainers has no idea how to go about
training a Guide dog. You cannot do traditional training for them. Now to
cut this short, I myself have a seeing eye dog and was thinking about this.
I decided against this. For these reasons and on advice of my place of where
I got my seeing eye dog. I got my from Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation.  They
recommended against it. They said the shock was not good for them, and was
not acceptable way to train a Guide dog. I heard someone say it did not hurt
them. If they think that then I challenge them to put the collar on and try
it. I don't think they will have the same opinion after that.  I agree with
the post below. I would contact my Guide dog provider before doing anything.
Just my thoughts of a Guide dog owner.



Sign,
JP ( Joe Plummer)
joeplum...@tds.net


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From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Edward Przybylek
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:18 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

  

Hi Joy,

I would strongly suggest that you talk to a guide dog instructor before you
install a fence. They may have some reasons for not putting one in or some
suggestions for training your dog.

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
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<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Joy Cyr
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:37 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

Dear Joe,
Thanks for the encouragement. Knowing that they are simple to install and
that a specialist isn't required does make the possibility of my affording
one more likely.

I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog. It would be nice for my
retired guide as well, but since she is older the need to run off excess
energy isn't as pressing as it will be for the new member of the family and
I was thinking/hoping this might be a good way to manage. I won't have him
for several months, maybe a year, which gives me lots of time to plan
carefully.

Yours sincerely,
Joy

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directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-15 Thread Jewel
Before I comment on the post re invisible fencing, let me fill you in with what 
has been, or more 
accurately, * not been happening.
My computer's sound card chose Dec23rd to join other deceased sound cards in 
the great sound card 
rubbish tip in the sky.  It could scarcely have picked a more inconvenient time 
to kick the bucket. 
What with the Christmas and New Year shutdowns, and given that my computer 
technicians could never 
mount a challenge to Speedy Gonzales, I have been computerless until today.
Now for my comments on invisible fencing.  It may keep your own dog off the 
street, but it does not 
prevent wandering dogs from coming off it and invading your dog's territory.
Personally, for this reason if no other, I wouldn't rely on one.

   Jewel

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On Behalf Of Joy Cyr
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:29 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs



Good day fellow listers,
You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to
share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or
preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions
but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal
experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping
in mind would be appreciated.

Thank you for any and all replies,
Yours sincerely,
Joy

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Art Rizzino
I have known of cases where dog or dogs have got out during the moment when 
they were excided or mad then were unable to return home because the fence 
would shock them when approaching from the wrong side of the fence when coming 
home.
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  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:29 AM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs



  Good day fellow listers,
  You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to 
share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or 
preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions 
but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal 
experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in 
mind would be appreciated.

  Thank you for any and all replies,
  Yours sincerely,
  Joy

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to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Jerry Richer
 My friend uses an invisible fence.  The dog wears a special collar and if 
he goes to far away from the base unit he gets a shock.  My friend says it 
doesn't hurt him, just enough to tell him to go back the other way.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Joy Cyr
Dear Ed and Bill,
First, Ed thanks for the research info, ... much easier when you start with the 
right search terms and a company name to look for and compare alternatives too.

Secondly, please don't worry I will indeed discuss the idea with a trainer, ... 
but there is no point in bringing it up if I read up on it and don't like it, 
or can't afford to install one.  However, if it is a viable option then I would 
like to talk it over and see what is best to be arranged.  I've got a large 
property (too large, major headache to keep mowed in the summer), and there is 
sadly no way I can afford a conventional fence, which is what I'd most like to 
have built.  At the moment there is a smaller area securely fenced that acts as 
a sort of dog run.  However, it is a pity to have that large stretch of grass 
that a dog(s) would so love to play on and not be using it more than a few 
times a year.  But I wouldn't feel comfortable going out on my own to let the 
dog run without some safety measures installed.  

So thank you for all the help, I'll go do my homework now.

Yours sincerely,
Joy


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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Edward Przybylek
Hi Joy,

 

I would strongly suggest that you talk to a guide dog instructor before you
install a fence.  They may have some reasons for not putting one in or some
suggestions for training your dog.

 

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

 

 

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On Behalf Of Joy Cyr
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:37 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

 

  

Dear Joe,
Thanks for the encouragement. Knowing that they are simple to install and
that a specialist isn't required does make the possibility of my affording
one more likely.

I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog. It would be nice for my
retired guide as well, but since she is older the need to run off excess
energy isn't as pressing as it will be for the new member of the family and
I was thinking/hoping this might be a good way to manage. I won't have him
for several months, maybe a year, which gives me lots of time to plan
carefully.

Yours sincerely,
Joy

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Edward Przybylek
Hi Lenny,

 

The fence I have has an adjustment that determines how far from the fence
the dog will begin to get a shock.  If I remember correctly, this can be set
to 30 or 40 feet.  If it were set to this range, the dog would be getting a
shock for approximately 60 to 80 feet.  Even at full tilt, it's going to
take a dog a bit of time to cross this distance while he is getting shocked.
If the collar is set to deliver a strong shock, I think it would take an
insane beast to keep crossing the line.  My dog was a 120 pound Rottweiler
German Shepherd mix with a very stubborn streak.  He never crossed the line
after his week of trainging.  As he began to religeously respect the fence,
I eventually decreased the range of the fence to 3 feet on either side of
the fence wire.  I loved watching people walking down the sidewalk while my
dog stood 3 feet or so from them growling and snarling as they walked by.
Most simply crossed the street before they got to my property.

 

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

 

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:41 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

 

  

Joy, to add what Bill stated they do not always work. I have a friend who 
installs fencing. He put one of these in for someone. The dog would not go 
near the fence until one day. He bolted out of the house and crossed the 
fence. He quickly learned that this spot would not really hurt him. From 
then on he would not go near the rest of the property line but would 
frequently bolt through the spot where he first broke through.
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To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

Joy: Couple thoughts on these.

First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy to 
install. However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing shock collars 
can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity. Whether that's a 
problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of dogs are 
around you.
I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew through the

shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is. The other 
thing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to want to cross 
the line where the fence is burried. If it's only in your back yard, that 
probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these surrounding 
pretty much all of her property, and her dog really panics every time they 
take him too close to the fence. They actually have to put him in their 
vehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him for walks. Good 
luck with this.

Bill Stephan
Kansas Citty MO
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net> 
Phone: (816)803-2469

- Original Message -
From: Joy Cyr mailto:delights%40aei.ca> >
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
> Good day fellow listers,
> You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be
> able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used
> or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the
> basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one.
> Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about
> what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be
> appreciated.
> Thank you for any and all replies,
> Yours sincerely,
> Joy
>
>
> Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your
> appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas.
> Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Edward Przybylek
Hi Joy,

 

You can find electronic fences at Lowes and Home Depot but I don't recommend
them.  After looking at numerous fences on the Internet, I purchased a unit
from Innotek.  If I remember correctly, the fence cost $279.00.  The thing I
liked about their fences is they have several safety features built into
their fences that protect an animal from harm if they get into certain
situations.  Innotek does have a web site but it is currently under
construction.  If you search for electronic enclosures on Google, you'll
find numerous vendors who carry Innotek products.  Let me know if I can be
of any further assistance.

 

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

 



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Re: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread wstephan
Ed, my sister is one of those people who can unwind a dog's DNA if she's around 
it long enough, so I have no doubt that you were able to teach your dog in the 
manner you mention.  

Bill Stephan 
Kansas Citty MO 
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net 
Phone: (816)803-2469


- Original Message -
From: Edward Przybylek 
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:53 am
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
> Hi Bill, 
> 
> 
> 
> Not to disaggree with you but there are ways to handle large dogs 
> who aren't 
> afraid of crossing the fence line and getting a shock.  A friend 
> of mine had 
> such a beast and they took care of the problem by using a receiver 
> that was 
> strapped around the dog's waist.  This receiver was capable of a much 
> stronger shock than the neck collar and it only took an hour or so to 
> convince the dog he no longer wanted to cross the line.  As far as 
> a dog not 
> wanting to leave a yard after getting a shock or two, this issue 
> was covered 
> on the video I received.  Again, after a day or so, my dog 
> realized he would 
> not get a shock if he crossed the line wearing a leash.  The good 
> thingabout this is that he would not cross the line if he was not 
> wearing a leash 
> even though he wasn't wearing his collar.  This was actually a 
> good thing. 
> If he snuck out of the house without the collar, we knew he 
> wouldn't go 
> anywhere beyond the fence. 
> 
> 
> 
> Take care, 
> 
> Ed 
> 
> 
> 
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of 
> wstep...@everestkc.netsent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:29 AM 
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Joy: Couple thoughts on these. 
> 
> First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy to 
> install. However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing 
> shock collars 
> can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity. Whether 
> that's a 
> problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of 
> dogs are 
> around you. 
> I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew 
> through the 
> shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is. The 
> otherthing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to 
> want to cross 
> the line where the fence is burried. If it's only in your back 
> yard, that 
> probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these 
> surroundingpretty much all of her property, and her dog really 
> panics every time they 
> take him too close to the fence. They actually have to put him in 
> theirvehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him 
> for walks. Good 
> luck with this. 
> 
> Bill Stephan 
> Kansas Citty MO 
> Email: wstep...@everestkc.net <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net>  
> Phone: (816)803-2469 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Joy Cyr mailto:delights%40aei.ca> > 
> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am 
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs 
> > Good day fellow listers, 
> > You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be 
> > able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used 
> > or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know 
> the 
> > basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. 
> > Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about 
> > what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be 
> > appreciated. 
> > Thank you for any and all replies, 
> > Yours sincerely, 
> > Joy 
> > 
> > 
> > Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your 
> > appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. 
> > Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of 
> > handmade warmth from home. 
> > To find out how you can help, please visit 
> > www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! 
> > 
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> > 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread wstephan
Joy:  If this is a guide, careful consideration is probably in order.  I say 
this because guides do occasionally receive electgrical shocks in their working 
environment from things as varried as vehicles with bad wiring and stray 
current from street lights etc.  In general, most of the guide dog trainers I 
have spoken with about using an E collar won't do it partly because of the 
potential for really confusing and spooking a dog.  Obviously we all do the 
best we can where guides are concerned, so this is just a little more info to 
process.

Bill Stephan 
Kansas Citty MO 
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net 
Phone: (816)803-2469


- Original Message -
From: Joy Cyr 
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:36 am
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
> Dear Joe, 
> Thanks for the encouragement.  Knowing that they are simple to 
> install and that a specialist isn't required does make the 
> possibility of my affording one more likely. 
> 
> I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog.  It would be 
> nice for my retired guide as well, but since she is older the need 
> to run off excess energy isn't as pressing as it will be for the 
> new member of the family and I was thinking/hoping this might be a 
> good way to manage.  I won't have him for several months, maybe a 
> year, which gives me lots of time to plan carefully. 
> 
> Yours sincerely, 
> Joy 
> 
> 
> Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your 
> appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas.  
> Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of 
> handmade warmth  from home.  
> To find out how you can help, please visit 
> www.operationtoastytoes.ca.  Let's show our troops we care! 
> 
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> 
> 


Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Joy Cyr
Dear Ed,
Thanks for noting that there are ways to handle dogs that think crossing is 
worthwhile!  Really good to know!

Yours sincerely,
Joy




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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Joy Cyr
Thanks, ... good to know all sides, even the less than encouraging ones.


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Joy Cyr
Dear Joe,
Thanks for the encouragement.  Knowing that they are simple to install and that 
a specialist isn't required does make the possibility of my affording one more 
likely.

I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog.  It would be nice for my 
retired guide as well, but since she is older the need to run off excess energy 
isn't as pressing as it will be for the new member of the family and I was 
thinking/hoping this might be a good way to manage.  I won't have him for 
several months, maybe a year, which gives me lots of time to plan carefully.

Yours sincerely,
Joy


Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly 
to the men and women serving overseas.  Contribute to their comfort by sending 
them a little touch of handmade warmth  from home.  
To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca.  Let's 
show our troops we care!

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Edward Przybylek
Hi Bill,

 

Not to disaggree with you but there are ways to handle large dogs who aren't
afraid of crossing the fence line and getting a shock.  A friend of mine had
such a beast and they took care of the problem by using a receiver that was
strapped around the dog's waist.  This receiver was capable of a much
stronger shock than the neck collar and it only took an hour or so to
convince the dog he no longer wanted to cross the line.  As far as a dog not
wanting to leave a yard after getting a shock or two, this issue was covered
on the video I received.  Again, after a day or so, my dog realized he would
not get a shock if he crossed the line wearing a leash.  The good thing
about this is that he would not cross the line if he was not wearing a leash
even though he wasn't wearing his collar.  This was actually a good thing.
If he snuck out of the house without the collar, we knew he wouldn't go
anywhere beyond the fence.

 

Take care,

Ed

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of wstep...@everestkc.net
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:29 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

 

  

Joy: Couple thoughts on these.

First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy to
install. However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing shock collars
can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity. Whether that's a
problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of dogs are
around you. 
I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew through the
shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is. The other
thing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to want to cross
the line where the fence is burried. If it's only in your back yard, that
probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these surrounding
pretty much all of her property, and her dog really panics every time they
take him too close to the fence. They actually have to put him in their
vehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him for walks. Good
luck with this.

Bill Stephan 
Kansas Citty MO 
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net>  
Phone: (816)803-2469

- Original Message -
From: Joy Cyr mailto:delights%40aei.ca> >
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
> Good day fellow listers, 
> You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be 
> able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used 
> or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the 
> basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. 
> Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about 
> what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be 
> appreciated. 
> Thank you for any and all replies, 
> Yours sincerely, 
> Joy 
> 
> 
> Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your 
> appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. 
> Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of 
> handmade warmth from home. 
> To find out how you can help, please visit 
> www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Lenny McHugh
Joy, to add what Bill stated they do not always work. I have a friend who 
installs fencing. He put one of these in for someone. The dog would not go 
near the fence until one day. He bolted out of the house and crossed the 
fence. He quickly learned that this spot would not really hurt him. From 
then on he would not go near the rest of the property line but would 
frequently bolt through the spot where he first  broke through.
- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs


Joy:  Couple thoughts on these.

First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy  to 
install.  However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing shock collars 
can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity.  Whether that's a 
problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of dogs are 
around you.
I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew through the 
shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is.  The other 
thing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to want to cross 
the line where the fence is burried.  If it's only in your back yard, that 
probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these surrounding 
pretty much all of her property, and her dog really panics every time they 
take him too close to the fence.  They actually have to put him in their 
vehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him for walks.  Good 
luck with this.

Bill Stephan
Kansas Citty MO
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net
Phone: (816)803-2469


- Original Message -
From: Joy Cyr 
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
> Good day fellow listers,
> You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be
> able to share your knowledge with me again.  Has anyone ever used
> or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences?  I know the
> basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one.
> Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about
> what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be
> appreciated.
> Thank you for any and all replies,
> Yours sincerely,
> Joy
>
>
> Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your
> appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas.
> Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of
> handmade warmth  from home.
> To find out how you can help, please visit
> www.operationtoastytoes.ca.  Let's show our troops we care!
>
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>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Joy Cyr
Dear Bill,
Thank you, those are definitely good points and I can't say I'd thought of 
them.  I don't think they pose a problem (except for the dog potentially 
jumping the wire in spite of the shock, ... have no way to evaluate that as of 
yet since I don't yet have the dog), but insuring the fence line doesn't pose a 
problem to cross would be wise to keep in mind when planning the exact 
parameters of the enclosure.

Yours sincerely,
Joy


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Joy Cyr
Dear Ed,
Yes that does help, ... thank you!  I was wondering about price, and I hadn't 
realized there was a company called invisible fence until I tried to do a quick 
search on the net.  I was startled since I didn't think it had to be installed 
by the company.  I will do a search for electronic enclosures, ... thanks for 
that tip.  (Besides, I wouldn't want some unknown person training my dog!)  
Encouraging that your dog took to it so quickly, and that it was relatively 
economical.  May I ask about how large is the area you enclosed?

Thanks again,
Yours sincerely,
Joy


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- Original Message - 
From: Edward Przybylek 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs


  
Hi Joy,

I have an invisible fence installed in my yard. I used it with my last dog
for approximately 12 years. I installed it myself and trained my dog to
respect the fence. The installation was quite simple and took approximately
4 hours. The company from which I purchased the fence supplied a video tape
on how to train your dog. The instructions were easy to follow and it took
me about a week to train my dog. If you're talking about buying your fence
from a company actually called Invisible Fence, I strongly suggest you
search the Internet for "electronic animal enclosures" before you spend your
money. When I talked to the Invisible Fence company, they wanted $1500.00
to install a fence and train my dog for half a day. I purchased a very
similar fence on the Internet for $300.00. Again, that was 12 years ago so
I would imagine that the price at Invisible Fence has gone up considerably.
Hope this helps.

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Joy Cyr
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:29 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

Good day fellow listers,
You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to
share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or
preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions
but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal
experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping
in mind would be appreciated.

Thank you for any and all replies,
Yours sincerely,
Joy

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directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort
by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread wstephan
Joy:  Couple thoughts on these.

First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy  to install.  
However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing shock collars can and 
likely will come and visit your dog with impunity.  Whether that's a problem or 
not really depends on where you are and what kind of dogs are around you.  
I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew through the 
shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is.  The other thing 
to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to want to cross the line 
where the fence is burried.  If it's only in your back yard, that probably 
isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these surrounding pretty much 
all of her property, and her dog really panics every time they take him too 
close to the fence.  They actually have to put him in their vehicle, and drive 
over the fence before they can take him for walks.  Good luck with this.

Bill Stephan 
Kansas Citty MO 
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net 
Phone: (816)803-2469


- Original Message -
From: Joy Cyr 
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
> Good day fellow listers, 
> You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be 
> able to share your knowledge with me again.  Has anyone ever used 
> or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences?  I know the 
> basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one.  
> Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about 
> what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be 
> appreciated. 
> Thank you for any and all replies, 
> Yours sincerely, 
> Joy 
> 
> 
> Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your 
> appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas.  
> Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of 
> handmade warmth  from home.  
> To find out how you can help, please visit 
> www.operationtoastytoes.ca.  Let's show our troops we care! 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> 
> 


RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Edward Przybylek
Hi Joy,

 

I have an invisible fence installed in my yard.  I used it with my last dog
for approximately 12 years.  I installed it myself and trained my dog to
respect the fence.  The installation was quite simple and took approximately
4 hours.  The company from which I purchased the fence supplied a video tape
on how to train your dog.  The instructions were easy to follow and it took
me about a week to train my dog.  If you're talking about buying your fence
from a company actually called Invisible Fence, I strongly suggest you
search the Internet for "electronic animal enclosures" before you spend your
money.  When I talked to the Invisible Fence company, they wanted $1500.00
to install a fence and train my dog for half a day.  I purchased a very
similar fence on the Internet for $300.00.  Again, that was 12 years ago so
I would imagine that the price at Invisible Fence has gone up considerably.
Hope this helps.

 

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

 

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Joy Cyr
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:29 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

 

  

Good day fellow listers,
You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to
share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or
preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions
but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal
experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping
in mind would be appreciated.

Thank you for any and all replies,
Yours sincerely,
Joy

Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

2010-01-14 Thread Joe Plummer
Hi, installing one is a breeze really. Most can be easily installed just a
few inches below the ground or it can be just laid on the ground and just
let the grass grow over the wire. Some can even be done like traditional
fencing. Like I say installing the fence is not the problem. If the dogs is
not properly trained the fence will not work. This usual takes somewhere
around 2 weeks to a month. Now this is on average. It may take more it
depends on the dog you are trying to teach. May I ask what do you are trying
to keep in? Is it your seeing eye dog?


Sign,
JP ( Joe Plummer)
joeplum...@tds.net

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From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Joy Cyr
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:29 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs

  

Good day fellow listers,
You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to
share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or
preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions
but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal
experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping
in mind would be appreciated.

Thank you for any and all replies,
Yours sincerely,
Joy

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