RE: Consequences of off-list attacks, spam, etc.? (was RE:OfficialStatement)
--- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [I wrote] > > --- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Goodness, this is complicated. > > > > Well, according to what He said to the > Libertarians, > > that might be a good thing, a sign of growing > maturity - like teenage acne! :) > > I nominate this for Most Depressing Analogy of 2002. For your cheerful perusal: "This is a view of bureaucracy and regulation that you've probably never seen or heard before -- that the excessive rules we face today are like pimples on the face of a gangly adolescent. An awkward phase in the inexorable forward march of a civilization that may actually know what it's doing. One that is making pretty good progress along a very difficult road. Talk about optimistic!" (page 4 from:) http://www.kithrup.com/brin/libertarianarticle1.html Be Glad I Didn't Use Lancing A Perirectal Abcess As My Analogy Maru;) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Scouted: 'Skinny Pill for Kids' may be harmful
I will be among the first to agree that we have an 'obesity epidemic' among the young, but this is going overboard: http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/diet.fitness/12/09/skinny.pills/ "...Pediatric experts told CNN they're especially concerned about three herbs in the "Skinny Pill" that are diuretics. Uva ursi, juniper berry, and buchu leaf all cause the body to lose water. The Physicians Desk Reference, a doctors' guide to drugs and alternative remedies, states the uva ursi should not be given to children under age 12. "Diuretics in children can cause kidney problems and electrolyte imbalances if taken long term," said Dr. Alison Hoppin, chief of the pediatric obesity clinic at Massachusetts General Hospital. In addition, the PDR says the herb could cause liver damage in children. Niacin, another ingredient, can be toxic to the liver. The National Academy of Sciences sets upper limits for niacin consumption, and, when taken as recommended, the "skinny pill for kids" contains four times the upper limit of what an 8-year-old child is supposed to get." >From another article: http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/diet.fitness/12/09/otsc.cohen.skinny.pills/ HEMMER: Interesting -- you've looked at a lot of these products over the years. Anything raise red flags with you? Anything to say this looks suspicious, that (it) might be a bit dicey? COHEN: Yes. One thing that was on the Web site that immediately made me say "Gee, this looks a little strange" is that (the maker) says diet and exercise are unrealistic for children, and she gives menu suggestions, and she says, for one day, your kid can eat pizza, cookies and ice cream. That is in the menu. Lunch: pizza. Dinner: cookies and ice cream. What kind of a diet is that for a child who needs to lose weight?" The promoter, Edita Kaye, is billed as a "nutritionist" and "medical journalist" but I found nothing that indicates any formal schooling/degree in nutrition, in a quick Google search. Her homepage: http://www.skinnypill.com/home.asp Someday there may be (relatively) safe drugs for juvenile obesity, ones that use the body's own machinery/pathways to reduce weight; until then, exercise and a proper diet (a nutritionally sound diet is especially important for growing children) will have to do. Debbi who keeps neither cheese nor Oreos in her house lest she eat all at one sitting (but eclairs tempt me not at all - not even with chocolate coating! :D ) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Consequences of off-list attacks, spam, etc.? (was RE:OfficialStatement)
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Deborah Harrell > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:48 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Consequences of off-list attacks, spam, etc.? (was RE: > OfficialStatement) > > > --- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Goodness, this is complicated. > > Well, according to what He said to the Libertarians, > that might be a good thing, a sign of growing maturity > - like teenage acne! :) I nominate this for Most Depressing Analogy of 2002. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Scouted: Suit Dropped Against Cheney Task Force
Gee, what a surprise. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32277-2002Dec9.html "..Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., called it "regrettable, but not surprising, that a newly appointed federal judge chose to look the other way." Bates was appointed by President Bush. The Cheney energy plan issued in the spring of 2001 called for expanded oil and gas drilling on public land and eased regulatory barriers to new nuclear power plants. The plan's recommendations included steps to increase conservation and encourage the use of alternative fuels as well as to protect the environment. The suit asked the court to require Cheney to reveal who attended the energy tax force meetings, with whom the task force met to develop its recommendations, how it determined whom to invite and how much it cost to develop the policy. Aside from a few details that the Bush administration revealed amid the collapse of Enron Corp., the White House has refused to identify the people the Cheney task force met with. Enron representatives met six times with the vice president or his aides. Enron has been Bush's biggest campaign donor over the years..." GSV Obfuscator __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Consequences of off-list attacks, spam, etc.? (was RE: OfficialStatement)
--- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Goodness, this is complicated. Well, according to what He said to the Libertarians, that might be a good thing, a sign of growing maturity - like teenage acne! :) Intuitive Imagery Maru ;) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water conservation
--- I wrote: > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > << I noticed that golf courses managed to get > > exemptions, > > and new sod/seed was _still_ being laid in new > > subdivisions. :P >> > > > > What is the percentage of golf courses there that > > use tap water instead of reclaimed water? > > > > Tucson's getting a bit better on this aspect. > > Some, but I'm not sure - many places that do use > reclaimed water post big signs, though (several > parks, > and a church that I ride by). A friend might be up > on that - will see if I can find out. I haven't been able to find out about the golf courses in Denver, although apparently several outlying 'subcities' are using reclaimed water (last sentence of this article) in theirs. Denver Water is working on a big recycling system, which is good b/c we haven't gotten much precipitation this fall (although the mountains are getting some snow). http://www.water.denver.co.gov/waterwire/newsrelease/declor.htm and http://www.water.denver.co.gov/recycle/RECYCLED%20WATER%20FACTS.htm Trying To Clear The Backlog Of Unanswered Posts Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
[Listref] Hayman Fire
Update on the biggest fire in recorded Colorado history: http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E53%257E1032869,00.html?search=filter "Terry Lynn Barton will serve five to 10 years in federal prison for starting the largest wildfire in Colorado history if a plea agreement is approved today... "The former U.S. Forest Service employee faced 17 to 65 years in federal prison and a $750,000 fine after prosecutors said she admitted setting the 138,000-acre Hayman fire outside of Lake George, in the Pike National Forest south of Denver, on June 8... "Barton told federal investigators June 15 that she accidentally started the fire while burning a letter from her estranged husband in a fire ring. She tried to put it out but was unable to, she said, because of tinder-dry forest conditions caused by the drought." I see that Sydney is in even worse straits (if the BBC is correct). "Prairie fire that would outrace a horse" Maru (from another 'Little House' book) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [ir]rational answer question
--- "Robert J. Chassell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [I wrote:] > My grasp of formal logic is tentative at best, > but I > never understood why one should propose an > "imaginary > number" like the square root of -2 (IIRC the > term > correctly), as - to me - math is supposed to > describe > the real world, not an impossible one. > > You are being confused by the metaphor of imagining. > Suppose the name > of the kind of number that the square root of -1 > represents were a > "partially-rotated-axes number" or (shorter, more > easily said) a > "lateral number" (as Gauss once suggested). > > In the real world, while walking, you turn > frequently. That is what > "partially-rotated" means. The metaphor of a number > on an axis that > is turned a bit is fully real and makes sense ... go > into a room with > square Linoleum tiles on the floor; face one row of > tiles, then turn > left 90 degrees, and face another row ... you have > just become > `imaginary' in the 16th century, metaphorical > language of mathematics. The image of 'partially-rotated' is graspable (so to speak ;D ), but if multiplying two negative numbers is _supposed_ to make a positive, the square root of a negative number 'should not be' possible. So Glad To Pass Calculus Back In The Day Maru GSV Concretellated (or Confusles, as in Hephalumphed) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Keening Linux
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Erik Reuter > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 7:49 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Keening Linux > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 07:23:55PM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: > > > Suggestions welcome... and now the speaker is disconnected. > > Just a guess: the first thing I would troubleshoot would be the keyboard > and keyboard jack. Could be a poor connection or a flaky keyboard. Come to think of it, it's just like that awful noise PCs used to make when you tried to boot without a keyboard plugged in. It's attached to a KVM switch, so there are plenty of things to go wrong there... Thanks! Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Internet Free Speech struck down by Australian court
- Original Message - From: "Russell Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 1:25 AM Subject: Re: Internet Free Speech struck down by Australian court > The Fool wrote: > > >http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/12/10/1039379819086.html > > > >Gutnick wins right to have Web libel case heard in Vic > >Canberra > >December 10 2002 > > > Why is having a defamation case heard in the jurisdiction of the > distribution and consumption of the material, where it coincides with > the alledged victim's domicile striking down free speech? > It still has to go to court, Dow Jones is a professional publishing > house, and a story about Gutnick could reasonably expected to be > targeted to include an Australian audience... > > Has there ever been free speech in publishing? That is the foundation of free speech in the US. IIRC, Jefferson said, If I had to choose between newspapers and no government or government and no newspapers, I'd choose the former. (Implied in this was the freedom to publish.) The difficulty is as defined in the coverage. By the High Courts ruling, an article published on the internet concerning the connections between Saudi princes and terrorism could be tried in Saudi courts. What are the odds on the New York Times winning their case? Slim and None, and Slim is heading out the door. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Starship Trooper
Reggie Bautista wrote: > > David H. wrote: > > > > I agree. The movie is actually pretty good, you just have > > > >to watch it the right way. View it as a propaganda film produced > > > >by a state so warlike that only soldiers can vote... > > Alberto replied: > > > No. Only _veterans_ can vote. Soldiers don't vote. > > David responded: > > I appreciate the distinction. But once a soldier, always > >a soldier. > > In the book, at least, not all veterans had actually been soldiers. Some > had mopped floors or performed other such tasks, based on what their initial > testing qualified them for. Basically, it amounted to being a veteran of > public service more than of military service. Sorry to argue definitions, but if the generals order you around, you're a soldier. It doesn't matter where you are, or what you do. To borrow the famous Patton quote, which might not have been exactly as in the movie... From: http://www.pattonhq.com/speech.html The General paused. His eagle like eyes swept over the hillside. He said with pride, "There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you WON'T have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, "Well, your Granddaddy shoveled shit in Louisiana." No, Sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, "Son, your Granddaddy rode with the Great Third Army and a Son-of-a-Goddamned-Bitch named Georgie Patton!" ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Engrish?
Robert Seeberger wrote: > > http://www.engrish.com/ > http://www.engrish.com/recent/ > > Them people talk funny! They shore do. On the "recent", I think my favorite one was the one added Dec. 2. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why did the Chicken cross the road?
The world's very first chicken joke. Back when the Roman legions had left Britain, and Christianity was making it's introduction, there was a Pictish coward. He lived through a battle. He slaughtered Christians. He didn't want to fight again. Imagine that. He knew that no one in his tribe would touch anything that had once been touched by a Christian. So using a long stick, he went up to a dead Christian. - Later, it was time for battle, and the priest were bringing up the pot of paint that they had prepared for battle. Suddenly, one of the priests shrieked and dropped the pot. The high priest in utter disbelief looked down at the pot and said, "All right, which one of you chickens crossed the woad?" --kinda spoiled it when you knew the punchline was coming. William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
NAFTA Re: Dr. Brin's LPNC keynote speech
Deborah Harrell wrote: > NAFTA (trucking, among others) came in under Clinton, > but I don't know if Dems initiated it. My political > saavy is still in infancy... :) It was set up by Bush-41 (i.e., GHWB, the father), at least. Don't remember exactly when it was ratified, but it might have been in the last days of Bush-41. I remember Perot slamming the whole thing when it wasn't yet ratified. Julia who is sure that someone will come up with an exact date sometime in the next 24 hours for our edification ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Keening Linux
On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 07:23:55PM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: > Suggestions welcome... and now the speaker is disconnected. Just a guess: the first thing I would troubleshoot would be the keyboard and keyboard jack. Could be a poor connection or a flaky keyboard. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Your Japanese Name
Steve Sloan II wrote: >Adam C. Lipscomb wrote: > >>I am Ademu ku ripusukonbu >> >>Now, taste my steel, pawn of Apu! > >"Thank you, come again!" ;-) > >Assuming that's a Samurai Jack reference, the demon's name >is Aku. :-) Who disturbs the Master of Masters? I love that show, though I don't get to see it often enough. It's really quite good. Did anyone catch the guest appearance (of sorts) of Lone Wolf and Cub? And of course, bellicose Scotsmen? *Always* funny. :-) Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Starship Trooper
This is what I think of when I hear "Starship Trooper" Starship Trooper I. Life Seeker Anderson Sister Bluebird flying high above, Shine your wings forward to the sun. Hide the myst'ries of life on your way. Though you've seen them, please don't say a word. What you don't know, I have never heard. Starship Trooper, go sailing on by, Catch my soul, catch the very light. Hide the moment from my eager eye. Though you've seen them, please don't tell a soul. What you can't see, can't be very whole. Speak to me of summer, long winters longer than time can remember, The setting up of other roads, to travel on in old accustomed ways. I still remember the talks by the water, the proud sons and daughter that, Knew the knowledge of the land, that spoke to me in sweet accustomed ways. Mother life, hold firmly on to me. Catch my knowledge higher than the day. Lose as much as only you can show. Though you've seen them, please don't say a word. What I don't know, I have never shared. II. Disillusion Squire Loneliness is a pow'r that we possess to give or take away forever. All I know can be shown by your acceptance of the facts there shown before you. Take what I say in a diff'rent way and it's easy to say that this is all confusion. As I see a new day in me, I can also show it you and you may follow. Speak to me of summer, long winters longer than time can remember, The setting up of other roads, to travel on in old accustomed ways. I still remember the talks by the water, the proud sons and daughter that, Knew the knowledge of the land, spoke to me in sweet accustomed ways. III: Wurm Howe (Instrumental) xponent The Yes Album Or Yessongs Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Keening Linux
Any Linux folks out there, who could suggest why my Linux server suddenly wants to emit a steady high-pitched tone -- not from the disk drive, as I imagined earlier, but from the PC speaker. This machine has no sound card at all. I can't see any reason for the sound, which starts at seemingly random times. Happened three times today and only shut up when I rebooted, sadly. The only thing I see in the logs that seem unusual are a bunch of things from identd, like this: Dec 10 15:45:20 www identd[4623]: request_thread: read(9, ..., 1023) failed: Con nection reset by peer Looking into this, I don't see that it's a reason for the machine to get all excited or anything. And I also realized I probably don't even need identd running unless I'm traveling. Suggestions welcome... and now the speaker is disconnected. Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Server downtime
On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 07:38:32PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > No idea what it really means. Redundant Array of Inexpensive Discs. It refers to using 2 or more hard drives together for added reliability and/or speed. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Fwd: Why did the Chicken cross the road?
This pokes fun at just about everyone. ;D > WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD? > > > GEORGE W. BUSH > I don't think I should have to answer that question. > > > AL GORE > I invented the chicken. I invented the road. > Therefore, the chicken > crossing the road represented the application of > these two different > functions of government in a new, reinvented way > designed to bring > greater services to the American people. > > > RALPH NADER > The chicken's habitat on the original side of the > road had been > polluted by unchecked industrialist greed. The > chicken did not reach the > unspoiled habitat on the other side of the road > because it was crushed by > the wheels of a gas-guzzling SUV. > > > PAT BUCHANAN > To steal a job from a decent, hard-working American. > > > RUSH LIMBAUGH > I don't know why the chicken crossed the road, but > I'll bet it was > getting a government grant to cross the road, and > I'll bet someone out > there is already forming a support group to help > chickens with > crossing-the-road syndrome. Can you believe this? > How much more of this can > real Americans take? Chickens crossing the road paid > for by their tax > dollars, and when I say tax dollars, I'm talking > about your money, money the > government took from you to build roads for chickens > to cross. > > > MARTHA STEWART > No one called to warn me which way that chicken was > going. I had a > standing order at the farmer's market to sell my > eggs when the price dropped > to a certain level. No little bird gave me any > insider information. > > > JERRY FALWELL > Because the chicken was gay! Isn't it obvious? Can't > you people see the > plain truth in front of your face? The chicken was > going to the "other > side." That's what they call it - the other side. > Yes, my friends, that > chicken is gay. And, if you eat that chicken, you > will become gay too. I say > we boycott all chickens until we sort out this > abomination that the liberal > media whitewashes with seemingly harmless phrases > like "the other side." > > > DR. SEUSS > Did the chicken cross the road? > Did he cross it with a toad? > Yes! The chicken crossed the road, > But why it crossed, I've not been told! > > > ERNEST HEMINGWAY > To die. In the rain. Alone. > > > MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. > I envision a world where all chickens will be free > to cross roads > without having their motives called into question. > > > GRANDPA > In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the > road. Someone > told us that the chicken crossed the road, and that > was good enough for us. > > > BARBARA WALTERS > Isn't that interesting? In a few moments we will be > listening to the > chicken tell, for the first time, the heart-warming > story of how it had > a serious case of molting and went on to accomplish > its life-long dream of crossing the road. > > > JOHN LENNON > Imagine all the chickens crossing roads in peace. > > > ARISTOTLE > It is the nature of chickens to cross the road. > > > KARL MARX > It was an historical inevitability. > > > SADDAM HUSSEIN > This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were > quite justified in > dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it. > > > VOLTAIRE > I may not agree with what the chicken did, but I > will defend to the death its right to do it. > > > RONALD REAGAN > What chicken? > > > CAPTAIN KIRK > To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. > > > FOX MULDER > You saw it cross the road with your own eyes! How > many more chickens > have to cross before you believe it? > > > SIGMUND FREUD > The fact that you are at all concerned that the > chicken crossed the > road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity. > > > BILL GATES > I have just released eChicken 2003, which will not > only cross roads, but > will lay eggs, file your important documents, and > balance your checkbook - > and Internet Explorer is an inextricable part of > eChicken. > > > ALBERT EINSTEIN > Did the chicken really cross the road or did the > road move beneath the chicken? > > > BILL CLINTON > I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What do > you mean by chicken? Could you define chicken please? > > > THE BIBLE > And God came down from the heavens, and He said unto > the chicken, "Thou > shalt cross the road." And the chicken crossed the > road, and there was much rejoicing. > > > COLONEL SANDERS > I missed one? __ Do you Yahoo!?
Re: Dr. Brin's LPNC keynote speech
On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 07:09:38PM -0800, Deborah Harrell wrote: > Deborafu Harureruru That's by far the best one so far! -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Consequences of off-list attacks, spam, etc.? (was RE: OfficialStatement)
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:46 AM ... > I must disagree with this. Off-list offenses are a private matter between > the sender and the recipient, and therefore it is for the recipient (and > only the recipient) to decide how to deal with it (kill-filing, flaming > back, filing an abuse report with the offender's ISP). As an off-list > offense by definition does not take place on-list, it is not for the > listowners or the community as a whole to punish the offender. This is a difficult area. The list managers certainly can't become the Internet Police for anybody who participates in the list. On the other hand, if list members respond to list messages with off-line personal attacks or spam, is that something that should lead to restrictions? Or is it between them (and their ISPs, presumably) at that point? Perhaps it should be perfectly acceptable to forward spam or personal attacks, sent off-list but related to the list, to the list managers for publication on the list. Thus, there'd be a double-check that it's really an offense, but takes away the sender's ability to privately hassle list members over list-related things. Goodness, this is complicated. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Your Japanese Name
"Adam C. Lipscomb" wrote: > I am Ademu ku ripusukonbu > > Now, taste my steel, pawn of Apu! "Thank you, come again!" ;-) Assuming that's a Samurai Jack reference, the demon's name is Aku. :-) BTW, my Japanese name is apparently Sutebe Suroanu, so Domo Arigato, Mr. JavaScript Roboto! ;-) __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama => [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Starship Trooper
David H. wrote: > > I agree. The movie is actually pretty good, you just have > >to watch it the right way. View it as a propaganda film produced > >by a state so warlike that only soldiers can vote... Alberto replied: > No. Only _veterans_ can vote. Soldiers don't vote. David responded: I appreciate the distinction. But once a soldier, always a soldier. In the book, at least, not all veterans had actually been soldiers. Some had mopped floors or performed other such tasks, based on what their initial testing qualified them for. Basically, it amounted to being a veteran of public service more than of military service. Heinlein is pretty careful to sketch it out that way, and *very* careful to say that you can't vote or become otherwise involved in politics until your service is over. Of course, being a politician means that you are in the public service (in theory, anyway :-), and Heinlein never quite explains that one... By the way... Dan, I'm still working on a reply to your last post on this thread, I just haven't been able to find my copy of Starship Troopers to find the quote I'm looking for. Reggie Bautista Expect it when you see it Maru _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dr. Brin's LPNC keynote speech
Finally got the time to read this in one go - not only does it engender cheerful agreement, self-congratulatory vindication, unpleasant self-recognition, and nodding determination, but it also ties-in to recent threads from 'Lord of the Rings' through Robert Kagan to Official Statements. --- Bryon Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you guys read Dr. Brin's keynote speech for the > Libertarian Party National > Convention? He's published it here: > http://www.kithrup.com/brin/libertarianarticle1.html > What do you think of it? >From page 2: "According to the philosophical tradition first expressed by Plato, our world is made up of "essences" or quasi-linguistic elements that are more fundamental than the murky world of complex physical people and objects. Belief in these essences retarded the arrival of Galilean science for 2,000 years, because it was so widely assumed that a real thinker would prefer to spend time pondering pure thoughts, than getting dirty with experiments. To a religious person these essences are articles of faith. To men of reason, they can be logical syllogisms or well-wrought ideological principles. (Ain't it odd that faith and reason are so often viewed as polar opposites? To a pragmatist, they look like very close cousins, operating under the same very questionable assumption -- that words can somehow over-rule gritty reality.)" Oh, I like! ;) > While I'm not sure I agree with everything he says, > I thought that overall, it was a > brilliant speech. For me, there were several "Wow - > I never thought of it *that way*!" > moments and other ideas that really gave me some new > perspectives on things. Frex, the 'objective reality' folks (whom I was unable to articulate my distrust of, but felt nevertheless): "Rather than deal in gritty tests and iterative experimentation, [Ann] Rand used "objective reality" as a mantric phrase -- an incantatory touchstone that served as a rock, an unquestionable axiomatic foundation. In effect, an article of faith. Around this she would go on to weave cajoling and persuading rhythms, almost identical in form to the Plato's Socratic dialogues, such as Phaedrus -- and, indeed, similar to much of the Marxist dialexctic -- ...Central to this zeitgeist is the implied and desired assumption of mental superiority..." About regulations, he notes "That the urge to regulate should always face a steep and constantly renewed burden of proof." "Science has learned recently that contempt and indignation are addictive mental states. I mean physically and chemically addictive. Literally! People who are self-righteous a lot are apparently doping themselves rhythmically with auto-secreted surges of dopamine, endorphins and enkephalins. Didn't you ever ask yourself why indignation feels so good?" "...Can we step back to see that this emotional need to feel superior runs deeper than any of our superficial differences over politics and ideology? It makes you far more like your opponents than you would ever like to admit. In other words, spanning all extremes of reason and morality, it's human." Ouch! "Thou shalt not offend others. Thou shalt not allow thyself to be offended too easily." I think I can try to live with that. In an echo of one of Kagan's themes, on page 4 he notes: "In other words, the precondition necessary for creating paradise is... near-paradise. And, viewed in the context of human history, that is exactly what we've got right now." (Although Kagan felt that America was denied that state, I think Brin's view is closer to current reality.) > I also would like to see what other people think > about this specific excerpt from the > speech (from pg. 3): > "When it comes to imposing or eliminating > government regulation, which of the major parties is > the 'lesser of evils'? > > "Not enough of a hint? Well, for now, just try > on one irony. We are used to the cliché that > "Democrats favor > freedom in the bedroom while Republicans favor > freedom in the boardroom." But look over the last 30 > years. How many industries have been > deregulated to a degree that's more than cosmetic? I > count trucking, banking, real estate, > telecommunications, airlines and parcel post. And > the 'industry' of the > Welfare Program. Now ask, how many or these > major steps were taken as Republican initiatives and > how many Democratic?" > I haven't been a serious political follower, so I'm > not sure about the origins of all those initiatives, > but I suspect they were mostly Republican ones - (am > I wrong on this?) NAFTA (trucking, among others) came in under Clinton, but I don't know if Dems initiated it. My political saavy is still in infancy... :) As my last reading of anything Heinlein was over 2 decades ago, I'll consider re-trying. Maybe. >:/ Deborafu Harureruru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
RE: Starship Trooper
At 01:17 PM 12/10/02 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Ronn! Blankenship > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:53 AM ... > Though on the other hand, no one has saluted me in twenty years > or so . . . Well, I just did. There you go. I even faced southeast. Enjoy. A one-finger salute doesn't count. Almost Certainly Not The First Time Maru --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Server back
Mccmedia.com is back on-line, and the disk drive is quiet... but it's the same drive. Just couldn't get Linux to play friendly with a new controller. And then the disk got very, very quiet... machine wouldn't boot. One cable replacement later, all seems to be well for now. But instead of installing the second disk and copying across, I'm going to make sure I have a completely up-to-date backup before messing further with this system. And since it's a painfully slow machine (a Pentium 266 MHz, I was somewhat surprised to see), and I have a PII motherboard here, I'm thinking I should finally upgrade the darn thing (especially since I'm now collecting a heck of a lot e-mail for work). Just need to buy an ATX case for the mobo. Tomorrow, perhaps. Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Your Japanese Name
Short version: Jon Gaburieru Long version: Jonafun Gaburieru I *do* like Godzilla Horowitz, though. Maybe I'll name my kid that: "Godzilla! Stop eating the neighbor's cat!" ...such lovely possibilities... *grin* Jon GSV Burin-ru -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robert Seeberger Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Your Japanese Name http://www.rcs.k12.va.us/csjh/japanesename.htm Roberutsu Seeberujiru and Zuponentsu xponent I Was Hoping For Godzilla Horowitz Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Your Japanese Name
Regujie Bauchisuta. And my email address came out as Baure Gakanu. That's not much fun... Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Server downtime
In a message dated 12/10/2002 5:30:56 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I'm going to take a shot > at installing a RAID for redundancy, but I'm not sure if I'll manage to > configure it quickly.. Run, you cockroaches, run! William Taylor No idea what it really means. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Server downtime
The list will be off for a while starting in 30 minutes or so, as I replace a disk drive that's making a scary keening sound. I'm going to take a shot at installing a RAID for redundancy, but I'm not sure if I'll manage to configure it quickly... but in any event, a new drive is in order. Sorry for any inconvenience. Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Your Japanese Name
I am Ademu ku ripusukonbu Now, taste my steel, pawn of Apu! Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Silence. I am watching television." - Spider Jerusalem ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Engrish?
http://www.engrish.com/ http://www.engrish.com/recent/ Them people talk funny! xponent Bad Engrish Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Your Japanese Name
Robert Seeberger wrote:
>
> http://www.rcs.k12.va.us/csjh/japanesename.htm
>
> Roberutsu Seeberujiru
> and
> Zuponentsu
Juria Funpusonu
and seeing as you entered a nickname, I entered one of mine ("Froggie")
and got back
Furogujie
Julia
who's going to leave the name-conversion at that
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Your Japanese Name
http://www.rcs.k12.va.us/csjh/japanesename.htm Roberutsu Seeberujiru and Zuponentsu xponent I Was Hoping For Godzilla Horowitz Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Second Life - Snowcrash coming to life?
http://www.gamespy.com/previews/december02/secondlifepc/ Say "massively-multiplayer online game" to gamers and immediately a set of pre-conceived notions will pop into their heads. They imagine groups of characters, most likely in a fantasy setting, bashing monsters and watching their experience bar go up until they gain a level enabling them to bash bigger monsters in a new location. But such a definition of massively-multiplayer is extremely limited, and new game types are available now that technology, such as broadband, is widespread. For instance, instead of waltzing around pre-constructed mazes killing foozles, what if games allowed players the ability to build and script their own objects and activities? What about worlds -- entire worlds -- genuinely created from the ground up by the players? In the text-only gaming universe, games like these were called MUSHes or MUCKs, and were just as popular as their monster-killing brethren. To date, no graphical equivalent to these types of games has taken off. Linden Lab, however, hopes to change everything with Second Life, an upcoming massively-multiplayer game exploring this undiscovered country of interactivity. MORE ON SITE> __ This uh...game reminds me very much of the setting of much of Snowcrash by Neal Stephenson. This could be very interesting. xponent Unreal Life Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: this is what happens when republicans get control of federal agencies
The Fool wrote: > > http://www.guerrillanews.com/media/doc879.html > > If Powell's FCC follows his previous positions, this ruling could sweep > away the very last remaining protections related to media ownership. > Powell has publicly stated that he has "no idea what is meant by the > public interest" and prefers to let the market resolve such thorny > questions. Yeah, and on *whose* watch was it that the groundwork legislation that let it get to this point passed? If it's a matter of buying legislators or heads of bureaucracies, I don't think that either dominant party has a corner on buyability Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Official Statement
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, J. van Baardwijk wrote:
> At 18:57 09-12-2002 -0600, Marvin Long wrote:
>
> >Formal statements of apology or reformed intent should not be required for
> >mere on-list etiquette offenses, at least not for first or second offenses.
> >(Off-list offenses that go beyond breaches of etiquette may be quite another
> >matter, however.)
>
> I must disagree with this. Off-list offenses are a private matter between
> the sender and the recipient, and therefore it is for the recipient (and
> only the recipient) to decide how to deal with it (kill-filing, flaming
> back, filing an abuse report with the offender's ISP). As an off-list
> offense by definition does not take place on-list, it is not for the
> listowners or the community as a whole to punish the offender.
IMO, an offlist offense that a) targets the server itself, or b) targets
the membership of the list via bcc and/or forged headers, etc.,
constitutes an "on-list" (or perhaps "list-related") offense in the sense
that it is perpetrated against the list itself ("the list" being congruent
with its membership, as facilitated by a given server). So, "off-list"
cannot be assumed to imply "unrelated to the list."
In other words I sort of agree with you, but I think there are ways to
threaten or harm a list that do not involve on-list breaches of
etiquette. Countering such acts may justify requirements or assurances
that go beyond the discipline reserved for something mundane like an
egregious flame.
>
> >(Attempting the same thing over and over again while expecting different
> >results is the definition of insanity, someone said.)
>
> As someone who gets paid to solve problems that are related to M$ Windows,
> I can assure you that doing the exact same thing over and over again
> actually does quite often produce different results. :-)
>
> Guess I just admitted to being insane... :-)
No, just that Windows is insane.
Marvin Long
Austin, Texas
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Poindexter & Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly the USA)
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RE: Starship Trooper
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Ronn! Blankenship > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:53 AM ... > Though on the other hand, no one has saluted me in twenty years > or so . . . Well, I just did. There you go. I even faced southeast. Enjoy. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
List management (was RE: Official Statement)
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk ... > I must disagree with this. Off-list offenses are a private matter between > the sender and the recipient, and therefore it is for the recipient (and > only the recipient) to decide how to deal with it (kill-filing, flaming > back, filing an abuse report with the offender's ISP). As an off-list > offense by definition does not take place on-list, it is not for the > listowners or the community as a whole to punish the offender. I have a real problem with the idea of member punishment, as opposed to list regulation. I don't think it is ever the list manager's job to *punish* anyone for their behavior on the list. Our role is only to retrict peoples' access to the list if they don't comply with list policies. That might *feel* like punishment to those who are restricted, but I think there's quite a difference. Punishment, in my mind, would have to go further, such as continuing to restrict someone's access even after they recognize why they were restricted and indicate that they'll do their best to comply in the future. In other words, list management isn't about modifying the behavior of the participants, it's about regulating the list content itself. Although the latter may affect the former, the purpose is different and the goals differ. If I aim to regulate the list content, I'm satisfied when the list is operating as its policies call for. But if my goal is to use punishments, rewards, etc., to persuade everyone who subscribes to adhere to the policies, then I'm not satisfied until any offenders change their behavior. So, while wearing my list manager hat, I don't care if an errant list member changes their behavior. They just won't have full access to the list if they step far enough outside of our (rather generous, IMO) policies. I hope that explains the distinction well. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Starship Trooper
At 11:02 AM 12/10/02 -0500, David Hobby wrote: > > I agree. The movie is actually pretty good, you just have > >to watch it the right way. View it as a propaganda film produced > >by a state so warlike that only soldiers can vote... > > > No. Only _veterans_ can vote. Soldiers don't vote. > > Alberto Monteiro I appreciate the distinction. But once a soldier, always a soldier. Though on the other hand, no one has saluted me in twenty years or so . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Contacting Aliens destroyed.
At 02:34 PM 12/10/02 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: GSV Unless you're looking for a comment in the 'contact through anal probe' category, but I suppose that would be just completely tasteless. ;-) To be accurate, it would probably not be tasteless, but in extremely bad taste. --Ronn! :) "Bathroom humor is an American-Standard." ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Official Statement
At 08:45 PM 12/10/02 +0100, J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 18:57 09-12-2002 -0600, Marvin Long wrote: (Attempting the same thing over and over again while expecting different results is the definition of insanity, someone said.) As someone who gets paid to solve problems that are related to M$ Windows, I can assure you that doing the exact same thing over and over again actually does quite often produce different results. :-) Guess I just admitted to being insane... :-) I suspect that you are actually describing not yourself but M$ Windows . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fibre for the masses
At 09:31 AM 12/10/02 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Doug wrote: > > Erik Reuter wrote: > > > > >Wasn't planning on it, I work in components, not cables. By the way, > >that article is more than 2 years old. I remember reading about fibers > >in sewers years ago. I didn't hear about it again -- I don't know if > >they followed through with the idea. > > > > > Yea, well they probably give you a shitty connection. Heck, you can get that even if they *don't* run the cables through the sewers. ;) And even with a _good_ connection, still sometimes all you can find on-line is crªp . . . ;-b --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Contacting Aliens destroyed.
In a message dated 12/10/2002 1:24:22 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > *grin* > > And of course, it should not in any way be taken as a criticism of the > author that certain parts of your body are destroying his work while you're > unconscious. Well, I have been destroying parts of his work while conscious. In most of the pictures, the Pila have fingernail type claws. In the picture where the Pila only has four buttons down the front, the claws are solid. Therefore either male Pila have claws different than female Pila, or Contacting Aliens has errors, mistakes, or sloppy work. It's more fun to think that everything is correct, and that female Pila developed heavier claws either in a need to protect the young, or it may be due indirectly to the fact that no Pila has ever been seen wearing black leather and mesh stockings. William Taylor Anybody write a universe with cross dressing aliens? Take a Synthian to Rocky Horror. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Official Statement
> From: J. van Baardwijk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > I hereby offer my sincere apologies for my part in all this > mess and for the disturbance it caused I'm a little late in chiming in here but I'd just like to say: WAHHH-H I've been trying to talk some people into joining the list and lately it hasn't been a real good time to do that! > This list has been too much fun and too interesting to let it > go to hell... Agreed. Thank you, Jeroen. And thanks for all the time and effort you've put into the list in the past and will, hopefully, in the future! - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Official Statement
At 18:57 09-12-2002 -0600, Marvin Long wrote: Formal statements of apology or reformed intent should not be required for mere on-list etiquette offenses, at least not for first or second offenses. (Off-list offenses that go beyond breaches of etiquette may be quite another matter, however.) I must disagree with this. Off-list offenses are a private matter between the sender and the recipient, and therefore it is for the recipient (and only the recipient) to decide how to deal with it (kill-filing, flaming back, filing an abuse report with the offender's ISP). As an off-list offense by definition does not take place on-list, it is not for the listowners or the community as a whole to punish the offender. (Attempting the same thing over and over again while expecting different results is the definition of insanity, someone said.) As someone who gets paid to solve problems that are related to M$ Windows, I can assure you that doing the exact same thing over and over again actually does quite often produce different results. :-) Guess I just admitted to being insane... :-) Jeroen "It's a dirty job but someone has to do it" van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Contacting Aliens destroyed.
From: "Miller, Jeffrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Contacting Aliens destroyed. Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:39:32 -0800 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 05:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Contacting Aliens destroyed. > > > Well it finally happened. > > After a late night read, this morning I found my copy of > Contacting Aliens in > disaray. It must have fallen off of the box I had set it upon. > > I think it was Charlemagne who slept with a copy of Summa > Theologica under > his pillow, in hopes that it would sink in. > > Is there any cosmic significance to the fact that I must have > slept with a > copy of Contacting Aliens under my butt? I doubt it, unless its a sign to me never to borrow books from you ;) *grin* And of course, it should not in any way be taken as a criticism of the author that certain parts of your body are destroying his work while you're unconscious. "It was a hit with my brain, eyes and hands, but my gluteus maximus gave it a metaphorical 'thumbs down'!" *!ducking!* Jon GSV Unless you're looking for a comment in the 'contact through anal probe' category, but I suppose that would be just completely tasteless. ;-) _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Contacting Aliens destroyed.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 05:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Contacting Aliens destroyed. > > > Well it finally happened. > > After a late night read, this morning I found my copy of > Contacting Aliens in > disaray. It must have fallen off of the box I had set it upon. > > I think it was Charlemagne who slept with a copy of Summa > Theologica under > his pillow, in hopes that it would sink in. > > Is there any cosmic significance to the fact that I must have > slept with a > copy of Contacting Aliens under my butt? I doubt it, unless its a sign to me never to borrow books from you ;) -j- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Starship Trooper
In a message dated 12/10/2002 9:06:53 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > No. Only _veterans_ can vote. Soldiers don't vote. > > > > Alberto Monteiro > > I appreciate the distinction. But once a soldier, always > a soldier. > > ---David But a veteran is a soldier that stayed alive. You could go off the deep end and over analyze the movie. Gee, there's a logical reason why their weapons are crap. They only want the smart ones to survive. I give up. Bring on Helm's Deep. William Taylor - "Run away, run away." ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Starship Trooper
> > I agree. The movie is actually pretty good, you just have > >to watch it the right way. View it as a propaganda film produced > >by a state so warlike that only soldiers can vote... > > > No. Only _veterans_ can vote. Soldiers don't vote. > > Alberto Monteiro I appreciate the distinction. But once a soldier, always a soldier. ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: this is what happens when republicans get control offederalagencies
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro ... > How interesting. Here in Brazil some people are also afraid of > the loosening of the rules of media ownership - probably for > the opposite reason: because USA imperialists will buy some > of br networks :-) No, Alberto, that's the *same* reason!! Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fibre for the masses
Doug wrote: > > Erik Reuter wrote: > > > > >Wasn't planning on it, I work in components, not cables. By the way, > >that article is more than 2 years old. I remember reading about fibers > >in sewers years ago. I didn't hear about it again -- I don't know if > >they followed through with the idea. > > > > > Yea, well they probably give you a shitty connection. Heck, you can get that even if they *don't* run the cables through the sewers. ;) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: this is what happens when republicans get control of federalagencies
The Fool wrote: > >If Powell's FCC follows his previous positions, this ruling could sweep >away the very last remaining protections related to media ownership. > How interesting. Here in Brazil some people are also afraid of the loosening of the rules of media ownership - probably for the opposite reason: because USA imperialists will buy some of br networks :-) Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
this is what happens when republicans get control of federal agencies
http://www.guerrillanews.com/media/doc879.html If Powell's FCC follows his previous positions, this ruling could sweep away the very last remaining protections related to media ownership. Powell has publicly stated that he has "no idea what is meant by the public interest" and prefers to let the market resolve such thorny questions. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
