Re: Mac cult attacks
At 05:40 PM Tuesday 10/16/2007, Julia Thompson wrote: >On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, William T Goodall wrote: > > On 16 Oct 2007, at 21:25, Andrew Crystall wrote: > >> On 16 Oct 2007 at 21:09, William T Goodall wrote: > >>> On 16 Oct 2007, at 20:43, Andrew Crystall wrote: >[snip and hope I left the attributions right] > >>> > Having an internal > battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable > for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the > battery to the consumer. > > >>> > >>> I have never heard of anyone carrying a spare battery for their phone > >>> ever. If there are such people they are so few that catering to their > >>> needs would be ridiculous for any sensible manufacturer. > >> > >> ...? > >> > >> People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including > >> mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my > >> backpack. > > > > That makes you the first person I've ever heard of in my life who > > claims to do that. I did grant there were a few of you. > >My previous phone had batteries for which a desktop charger was available. >I kept one charged as a spare and never ran into the >phone-totally-out-of-juice problem (except for once or twice when I forgot >to take the charged spare with me). My current phone does not have this >option, because the manufacturer thinks it's a weird thing to want, and it >annoys the crap out of me. One of the primary reasons many people give for having a cell phone (*the* primary reason for some of them) is for use in emergencies when frex their car quits running when they are miles from anywhere. Depending on where it happens and the time of night it happens it may take awhile to get hold of someone with a tow truck who is available and willing to come out there, or whatever help you need in the situation. Also, depending on the particular problem, you may not be able to use the charger plugged into the lighter socket, frex if the problem is electrical in nature or the problem is one which forces you to abandon the vehicle (frex it catches on fire or rolls into a lake). Then of course there is the example from last month of the woman who was trapped in her vehicle after it went off the road and down into a ravine who was found after she had been there for 8 days in part because they were able to locate the signal from her cell phone (see, frex, http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-28-washington-woman_N.htm). Having extended battery life so you can keep using it would likely also be helpful if you were frex hiking somewhere with cell service and fell and were injured and needed help (back in the late 80s before cell phones were available a guy I knew from the local SF groups was hiking in one of the canyons near Provo when that happened to him. They did not find him in time to rescue him but when they did they said that he had probably lived for some time lying there after falling. He wasn't far from town and the area is a popular place for an afternoon hike, so these days he probably would have been able to call for help if he had had a cell phone, or searchers could have used it to locate him similarly to the way the Washington woman was finally found), or if a storm or earthquake or other disaster knocks out your power and/or landline phone service for several days or causes you to have to evacuate, etc. . . . > I'm almost tempted to see if I can get a >second phone that takes the same kind of battery just to use as a charger. You can buy at various places either (or both) (1) a single-use backup battery in a case about the size of an old-fashioned (uses fluid rather than butane) cigarette lighter and has a plug on top which fits into the charging jack on your phone (they make different ones of different brands of phone, and I've seen them for sale at convenience stores) or (2) a device which similarly plugs into the charging jack but takes (various models) 2 or 4 standard AA or AAA batteries. I've also seen at some of the local W**-M*** stores which you mention below one of those hand-cranked emergency flashlights which in addition to a radio and some of the other features often included on such lights has a wire coming out of it which you can plug into your cell phone's charging jack to charge the phone's battery when you turn the crank. (According to the package after you buy the flashlight you contact the company and tell them what model phone you have and they will send you the plug which fits your phone for free.) >(There may be some available for as little as $40 at my favorite grocery >store; it's my favorite grocery store because if I really wanted to, I >could buy a limited selection of power tools there at midnight, Frex, a power saw (and some trash bags) in case someone (note that I am presuming that you personally would probably not find yourself in this situation) had committed multip
Re: Crossing that bridge . . .
On 17/10/2007, at 6:27 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > On this day in 1843, Sir William Rowan Hamilton comes up with the > idea of quaternions, a non-commutative extension of complex numbers. Not to forget that it is also the day George H. Trabert, hymn translator, was born in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Yes, but is *walking* necessarily the answer?
At 06:05 PM Tuesday 10/16/2007, Julia Thompson wrote: >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2195538.ece > >Quote from article: > >"The troubling fact is that taking a lot of exercise and then eating a bit >more food is not good for the global atmosphere. Eating less and driving >to save energy would be better." > >I'm reminded by this article of the line from Highlander, "Don't move, >pal. Don't even breathe." > > Julia How about the line from Heinlein's _Time for the Stars_: "A mathematician could tell you how to solve the [population] problem in jig time: just shoot every other one."? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: What the heck is "Maru"?
On Mon, 2007-10-15 at 11:28 -0500, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: > On 10/13/07, Kevin O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > > Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL > > Speaking of TANSTAAFL, I just reread _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_ > again over the weekend. I think I enjoy it more each time I read it. I ma a huge fan of Heinlein, not surprisingly. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 "A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history--with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila." -- Mitch Ratliffe, "Technology Review" ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Yes, but is *walking* necessarily the answer?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2195538.ece Quote from article: "The troubling fact is that taking a lot of exercise and then eating a bit more food is not good for the global atmosphere. Eating less and driving to save energy would be better." I'm reminded by this article of the line from Highlander, "Don't move, pal. Don't even breathe." Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, William T Goodall wrote: > > On 16 Oct 2007, at 21:25, Andrew Crystall wrote: > >> On 16 Oct 2007 at 21:09, William T Goodall wrote: >> >>> On 16 Oct 2007, at 20:43, Andrew Crystall wrote: >>> >>> Most mobile phone companies take the battery back now, and indeed give you a steep discount on a new one if you hand them the old one >>> >>> Cite. >>> >> >> Quite apart from reading your carrier's returns policy (assuming you >> don't have the non-returnable battery in the iPhone of course...), > > I have a pay as you go O2 and there is nothing on their site about > giving me a discount on batteries that I can see. If it is there it > is so well hidden that it might as well not be there as far as my > decision making goes. And they appear to want to take my whole phone > for recycling. > >> there are dedicated services like http://www.fonebak.com/ > > They take whole phones, not batteries, and there's nothing at all on > that site about discounts or refunds. > >> >>> Having an internal battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the battery to the consumer. >>> >>> I have never heard of anyone carrying a spare battery for their phone >>> ever. If there are such people they are so few that catering to their >>> needs would be ridiculous for any sensible manufacturer. >> >> ...? >> >> People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including >> mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my >> backpack. > > That makes you the first person I've ever heard of in my life who > claims to do that. I did grant there were a few of you. My previous phone had batteries for which a desktop charger was available. I kept one charged as a spare and never ran into the phone-totally-out-of-juice problem (except for once or twice when I forgot to take the charged spare with me). My current phone does not have this option, because the manufacturer thinks it's a weird thing to want, and it annoys the crap out of me. I'm almost tempted to see if I can get a second phone that takes the same kind of battery just to use as a charger. (There may be some available for as little as $40 at my favorite grocery store; it's my favorite grocery store because if I really wanted to, I could buy a limited selection of power tools there at midnight, and the ownership isn't out to screw everyone else as badly as Wal-Mart seems to be.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On 16 Oct 2007, at 21:25, Andrew Crystall wrote: > On 16 Oct 2007 at 21:09, William T Goodall wrote: > >> On 16 Oct 2007, at 20:43, Andrew Crystall wrote: >> >> >>> Most mobile phone companies take the battery back now, and indeed >>> give you a steep discount on a new one if you hand them the old one >>> >> >> Cite. >> > > Quite apart from reading your carrier's returns policy (assuming you > don't have the non-returnable battery in the iPhone of course...), I have a pay as you go O2 and there is nothing on their site about giving me a discount on batteries that I can see. If it is there it is so well hidden that it might as well not be there as far as my decision making goes. And they appear to want to take my whole phone for recycling. > there are dedicated services like http://www.fonebak.com/ They take whole phones, not batteries, and there's nothing at all on that site about discounts or refunds. > >> >>> Having an internal >>> battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable >>> for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the >>> battery to the consumer. >>> >> >> I have never heard of anyone carrying a spare battery for their phone >> ever. If there are such people they are so few that catering to their >> needs would be ridiculous for any sensible manufacturer. > > ...? > > People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including > mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my > backpack. That makes you the first person I've ever heard of in my life who claims to do that. I did grant there were a few of you. > >> >>> >>> It's precisely the same thing as Music DRM - it's assumed the >>> customer cannot make choices about what he wants, >>> >> >> DRM isn't about choice. > > And neither is the iPhone. It's the best choice :-) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "Aerospace is plumbing with the volume turned up." - John Carmack ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Big and dumb . . .
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Crossing that bridge . . .
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Re: Mac cult attacks
On 16 Oct 2007 at 21:09, William T Goodall wrote: > On 16 Oct 2007, at 20:43, Andrew Crystall wrote: > > > > Most mobile phone companies take the battery back now, and indeed > > give you a steep discount on a new one if you hand them the old one > > > > Cite. > Quite apart from reading your carrier's returns policy (assuming you don't have the non-returnable battery in the iPhone of course...), there are dedicated services like http://www.fonebak.com/ > > > Having an internal > > battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable > > for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the > > battery to the consumer. > > > > I have never heard of anyone carrying a spare battery for their phone > ever. If there are such people they are so few that catering to their > needs would be ridiculous for any sensible manufacturer. ...? People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my backpack. > > > > > It's precisely the same thing as Music DRM - it's assumed the > > customer cannot make choices about what he wants, > > > > DRM isn't about choice. And neither is the iPhone. AndrewC Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On 16 Oct 2007, at 20:43, Andrew Crystall wrote: > Most mobile phone companies take the battery back now, and indeed > give you a steep discount on a new one if you hand them the old one > Cite. > Having an internal > battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable > for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the > battery to the consumer. > I have never heard of anyone carrying a spare battery for their phone ever. If there are such people they are so few that catering to their needs would be ridiculous for any sensible manufacturer. > > It's precisely the same thing as Music DRM - it's assumed the > customer cannot make choices about what he wants, > DRM isn't about choice. Evidently Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a 'mouse.' There is no evidence that people want to use these things." -John C. Dvorak, SF Examiner, Feb. 1984. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On 16 Oct 2007 at 2:16, William T Goodall wrote: > > On 16 Oct 2007, at 01:03, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > > > At 05:35 PM Monday 10/15/2007, Andrew Crystall wrote: > > > >> "The disassembling also revealed the iPhone's battery was, unusually, > >> glued and soldered in to the handset" > >> > >> That is something you can't shrug off in the same way though. > >> > >> AndrewC > > > > > > So after a few hundred charging cycles when the battery dies you have > > to throw the whole iPhone away and get a new one for however many > > hundred dollars it is then and re-enter everything in the new one? > > You send it back to Apple and they replace the battery and dispose of > the old one safely for a reasonable fee. Or you can send it to one > of many third party battery changing companies who may be cheaper. You have to send the entire phone back, right. This clearly makes the phone unsuitable for a lot of uses. > Making lithium batteries user replaceable is an incredibly bad idea > environmentally speaking because the old one is going in the > household trash 99% of the time. Most mobile phone companies take the battery back now, and indeed give you a steep discount on a new one if you hand them the old one (which would be a far better way of handling it). Having an internal battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the battery to the consumer. It's precisely the same thing as Music DRM - it's assumed the customer cannot make choices about what he wants, he gets a packand and has to deal with it. This is, bluntly, highly objectionable. AndrewC Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Turkey, Genocide & Congress.
>From: Ray Ludenia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion >To: Killer Bs Discussion >Subject: Re: Turkey, Genocide & Congress. >Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:43:33 +1000 > > >On 16/10/2007, at 5:01 AM, Gary Nunn wrote: > > > Even if it WAS genocide, the question still remains: what good comes > > from > > making that declaration 90 years after the fact? How does that > > improve the > > world today? > >Facile answer: "Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It". > >Regards, Ray. > >___ >http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l You mean it didn't get repeated only two generations later? People who remember history may also be given some thoroughly nasty ideas from it. Pat, muttering "NOBODY expects Homeland Security." http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ "You never know who is swimming naked until the tide goes out." Warren Buffett ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Turkey, Genocide & Congress.
On 16/10/2007, at 5:01 AM, Gary Nunn wrote: > Even if it WAS genocide, the question still remains: what good comes > from > making that declaration 90 years after the fact? How does that > improve the > world today? Facile answer: "Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It". Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Turkey, Genocide & Congress.
On 10/15/07, Gary Nunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >So I take it you don't think this was genocide? > > I didn't say that it wasn't genocide, I was questioning what good could > possibly come from making this declaration 90 years after the fact - It's true, you were doing this. However your language also seemed very dismissive of an event that everyone except Turkey regards as genocide: "I don't understand what good could possibly come from passing a resolution labeling this WW1 issue as "genocide"." The Holocaust is a WW2 issue but most people would regard that as genocide and, moreover, think that Germany is a better place for having recognised this rather than denied it. Martin ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Evil cult attacks
On 16 Oct 2007, at 03:12, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > > So as I asked is all of your stuff (phone numbers, music, pictures, > etc.) stored in non-volatile storage or when you get it back with the > new battery is it as empty of all that stuff as it was the day you > bought it? And if it is stored "permanently" what is to stop Apple > or the third party from copying all your data while they have your > iPhone and selling it to spammers or giving it to the D*partm*nt of > H*m*land S*cur*ty? Like all iPods (and the iPhone is an iPod) data is synced with iTunes on a computer. http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/service/battery/ "Will the data on my iPhone be preserved? No, the repair process will clear all data from your iPhone. It is important to sync your iPhone with iTunes to back up your contacts, photos, email account settings, text messages, and more. Apple is not responsible for the loss of information while servicing your iPhone and does not offer any data transfer service. Please do not send any accessories with your iPhone. " http://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/ "Apple takes your privacy very seriously. Apple does not sell or rent your contact information to other marketers." Informative Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Due to a typographical error the entire arctic deployment had been issued Turkish pastries as headwear. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
