On 16 Oct 2007 at 2:16, William T Goodall wrote:

> 
> On 16 Oct 2007, at 01:03, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> 
> > At 05:35 PM Monday 10/15/2007, Andrew Crystall wrote:
> >
> >> "The disassembling also revealed the iPhone's battery was, unusually,
> >> glued and soldered in to the handset"
> >>
> >> That is something you can't shrug off in the same way though.
> >>
> >> AndrewC
> >
> >
> > So after a few hundred charging cycles when the battery dies you have
> > to throw the whole iPhone away and get a new one for however many
> > hundred dollars it is then and re-enter everything in the new one?
> 
> You send it back to Apple and they replace the battery and dispose of  
> the old one safely for a reasonable fee. Or you  can send it to one  
> of many third party battery changing companies who may be cheaper.

You have to send the entire phone back, right. This clearly makes the 
phone unsuitable for a lot of uses.

> Making lithium batteries user replaceable is an incredibly bad idea  
> environmentally speaking because the old one is going in the  
> household trash 99% of the time.

Most mobile phone companies take the battery back now, and indeed 
give you a steep discount on a new one if you hand them the old one 
(which would be a far better way of handling it). Having an internal 
battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable 
for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the 
battery to the consumer.

It's precisely the same thing as Music DRM - it's assumed the 
customer cannot make choices about what he wants, he gets a packand 
and has to deal with it. This is, bluntly, highly objectionable.

AndrewC
Dawn Falcon

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