Re: Birding In NM (was: Virus infection alert !)
Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:48 PM 4/4/04, Deborah Harrell wrote: I haven't been there, but I have canoed in a fly-over waterway near Logan, Utah, Where, exactly, WRT Logan? I'm thinking of the bird sanctuary west of Brigham City on the way to the Thiokol plant Promontory Point. Um, can I plead inability to describe it exactly? ';} I wasn't driving...it was a large, created wetlands (they'd partially dammed a river), with lots of teal, ducks, plovers, some cranes, and assorted mergansers, coots, and songbirds for good measure. Debbi It's Really *Not* Genetic Maru ;) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Symphony (was: Virus infection alert !)
Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:15 PM 4/4/04, Deborah Harrell wrote: To Our Resident Puck Them sounds like fightin' words, ma'am . . . Well, dueling punsters _would_ be a pleasant diversion for the List...although the humorists here do quite well without any need for absolute supremacy. Debbi How To Parse The Punster IQ Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Symphony (was: Virus infection alert !)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Load a round of shot and prepair to fire! BOOM WHAT!!! That wasn't a shell. It was a beehive. And they're swarming and coming back. And they look angry and out for revenge. Oh what fuels these mortared bees? grin A family near Denver has discovered a massive beehive in their attic - something like 8x3x2 _feet_. Really! (saw it on the news last night - but can't find a pic on any of the TV websites -- it was fairly impressive; not something I'd want hanging over my bedroom...) Debbi What's The Buzz, Tell Me Whatsa Happin'in Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Birding In NM (was: Virus infection alert !)
From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Birding In NM (was: Virus infection alert !) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:25:30 -0400 At 11:48 AM 4/5/2004 -0230 Travis Edmunds wrote: You want birds? Then come to my island. What island is that? Newfoundland, Canada. -Travis _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Birding In NM (was: Virus infection alert !)
From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Birding In NM (was: Virus infection alert !) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:19:45 -0400 Bosque de Apache National Wildlife Refuge. A primary winter home for the nation's population of sandhill cranes. The scene of so many cranes and other waterbirds in one place is absolutely stunning - straight out of a Nature or National Geographic program. And if you chat with the locals, they might direct you to some of the smaller places where there are fewer crowds. JDG You want birds? Then come to my island. I can take my dog for a walk, and nearly trip over wild partridge (grouse). A family of bald eagles has a nest where I am currently working, which is less than 20 ft from the Atlantic ocean. It's pretty neat to see the seagulls and the crows chasing the eagles away. Falcons are not uncommon, though you have to be in the right place (which is all in an approx 5 km diameter from where I live). Puffins are neat, if you take a boat or sea-kayak tour. And birds aside, it nothing strange to see a moose running down the street. We have lynx around...and ah...my dog Rocky... -Travis _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Symphony (was: Virus infection alert !)
On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 04:15 PM 4/4/04, Deborah Harrell wrote: To Our Resident Puck Them sounds like fightin' words, ma'am . . . Stick with me and I'll show you some more. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Erik said: Try getting a clue. What would you suggest as the first few steps towards gettting a clue? What are the most important proto-clue concepts? (In general, I mean, not specifically in this case.) Rich GCU Serious Question ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 03:17:34PM +0100, Richard Baker wrote: What would you suggest as the first few steps towards gettting a clue? What are the most important proto-clue concepts? (In general, I mean, not specifically in this case.) Pay attention. Read carefully. Think about connections and possibilities. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Erik said: Pay attention. Read carefully. Think about connections and possibilities. Those are good. I'd add something like: Assume you could be wrong; think about the ways you're most likely to be wrong; find out if you are wrong. Any others? How about some good book recommendations on getting a clue? Rich ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 04:04:45PM +0100, Richard Baker wrote: Any others? Ask yourself questions and try to answer them yourself first. How about some good book recommendations on getting a clue? Sorry, not a clue. But if I wanted such a book, I would start by surfing to various book-related websites and searching for what I wanted. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: Re: Virus infection alert ! Erik said: Pay attention. Read carefully. Think about connections and possibilities. Those are good. I'd add something like: Assume you could be wrong; think about the ways you're most likely to be wrong; find out if you are wrong. Any others? How about some good book recommendations on getting a clue? I dunno Rich. It sounds to me like Stick your head up your ass and enjoy the pure solipsist experience. But your suggestions are good ones.G xponent Slake-Moth Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 10:15 AM 4/4/04, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 04:04:45PM +0100, Richard Baker wrote: Any others? Ask yourself questions and try to answer them yourself first. Frex, is Erik just naturally a rude jerk or does he have to work at it? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Birding In NM (was: Virus infection alert !)
Bosque de Apache National Wildlife Refuge. A primary winter home for the nation's population of sandhill cranes. The scene of so many cranes and other waterbirds in one place is absolutely stunning - straight out of a Nature or National Geographic program. And if you chat with the locals, they might direct you to some of the smaller places where there are fewer crowds. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Birding In NM (was: Virus infection alert !)
JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bosque de Apache National Wildlife Refuge. A primary winter home for the nation's population of sandhill cranes. The scene of so many cranes and other waterbirds in one place is absolutely stunning - straight out of a Nature or National Geographic program. I haven't been there, but I have canoed in a fly-over waterway near Logan, Utah, with hundreds of birds in the area. So cool...and isn't the sound those cranes make fascinating? Friday, riding by a pond, I saw a pair of great blue herons - my first of the season. :) Debbi The Blackbirds Will Arrive Soon, The Robins Have Been Hear For Weeks Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Birding In NM (was: Virus infection alert !)
At 07:48 PM 4/4/04, Deborah Harrell wrote: I haven't been there, but I have canoed in a fly-over waterway near Logan, Utah, Where, exactly, WRT Logan? I'm thinking of the bird sanctuary west of Brigham City on the way to the Thiokol plant Promontory Point. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Birding In NM (was: Virus infection alert !)
On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Deborah Harrell wrote: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Debbi The Blackbirds Will Arrive Soon, The Robins Have Been Hear For Weeks Maru Now if that'd been intentional, it might be semi-cute, but it was merely a mistake...So add a d at the end, or change it to Here, as you please. Can't Even Blame It On A Cold, But -Hey!- What About My Allergies? Maru achooo! Blame anything you want on your allergies, I'll be sympathetic. Julia Blame It On The Live Oak Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Virus infection alert !
On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 08:51:52PM -0800, Mike Lee wrote: It also does a limited dictionary attack, with a list of several dozen common names, sending a message to each of these names on each domain in its list. So it doesn't just send to email addresses it got from you, it also tries to guess email address names for all the domains it found anywhere on your computer. This is very rude, and means that the big domains are having to send tons of non-delivery reports for all the bogus email coming at them. And if you're the poor From guy, then you start getting all those NDRs delivered to your mailbox too. Along with all the bitch mail from antivirus programs telling you that you sent them a virus. (This is why these programs should quit notifying senders of viruses--forged From is getting to be so common that they just end up panicking or annoying someone innocent.) Actually, there is a better solution than that: SPF http://spf.pobox.com/ It could potentially solve all the spam from legitimate computers that you mention when you get Joe Jobb'ed. It would also break MyDoom, or force it to use only the From: of the computer it infected. SPF won't solve all spam and virus problems, but it will help. Everyone should start using it or encourage their ISP to use it (hopefully all the big ISP's will turn it on by the end of 2004). -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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The Fool accused me: He's Saying something about GMT -02:00. That's me, when in DST :-P Alberto Monteiro GMT-03:00 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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The Fool retreated: Anyone have directions? Should be: He's Saying something about GMT +02:00. Too late. Expect a law suit soon. Hmmm... Where do you live so that I can a host of lawyers to harass you? Do you have a spare 1 million dollars that I can extract from you? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn Blankenship wrote: FWIW, I've had my address spoofed for a virus attack. I didn't figure it was anything personal. It's not personal. I said it about a year ago [?], and I will repeat: The Organized Crime is trying to take over the Internet All those viruses are just to turn _all_ computers into spamming zombies. They want to use _your_ computer to send their spams. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Virus infection alert !
At 09:21 PM 4/2/04, Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 09:05:40PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: And you are just deliberately rude. Try becoming civilized. Try getting a clue. Here's a clue: It is extremely rude to make unfounded allegations about a person who is not present in front of his wife who is present. You owe S an apology. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
SPF, was Re: Virus infection alert !
At 05:55 AM 4/3/04, Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 08:51:52PM -0800, Mike Lee wrote: It also does a limited dictionary attack, with a list of several dozen common names, sending a message to each of these names on each domain in its list. So it doesn't just send to email addresses it got from you, it also tries to guess email address names for all the domains it found anywhere on your computer. This is very rude, and means that the big domains are having to send tons of non-delivery reports for all the bogus email coming at them. And if you're the poor From guy, then you start getting all those NDRs delivered to your mailbox too. Along with all the bitch mail from antivirus programs telling you that you sent them a virus. (This is why these programs should quit notifying senders of viruses--forged From is getting to be so common that they just end up panicking or annoying someone innocent.) Actually, there is a better solution than that: SPF http://spf.pobox.com/ It could potentially solve all the spam from legitimate computers that you mention when you get Joe Jobb'ed. It would also break MyDoom, or force it to use only the From: of the computer it infected. SPF won't solve all spam and virus problems, but it will help. Everyone should start using it or encourage their ISP to use it (hopefully all the big ISP's will turn it on by the end of 2004). Does it require senders to be on a whitelist before sending you any mail, as some of the other proposed solutions for spam do, or can people receive messages from new senders (frex, new customers attempting to place an initial order) without any additional hassle on their part (which, in the aforementioned example, is likely to cause many prospective customers to look for a competitor whose on-line ordering process is simpler)? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Virus infection alert !
On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 01:27:45PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Here's a clue: It is extremely rude to make unfounded allegations about a person who is not present in front of his wife who is present. You owe S an apology. Last time: Pay attention! Get a clue! I won't be replying to your nonsense anymore. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Virus infection alert !
At 01:46 PM 4/3/04, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 01:27:45PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Here's a clue: It is extremely rude to make unfounded allegations about a person who is not present in front of his wife who is present. You owe S an apology. Last time: Pay attention! Get a clue! I won't be replying to your nonsense anymore. I personally don't care if you respond to anything I post or not. And it doesn't matter if you happen to think that JD is indeed a past member of this list. You still owe that past list member's wife an apology for making your assertions openly in front of the whole list and her. If you suspected that JD :== J, or even if you have hard evidence to that fact, you should have informed the list owners privately rather than bringing it up on the list. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Virus infection alert ! Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:11:27 -0600 He's Saying something about GMT +02:00. That would certainly be consistent. GMT +02:00 includes part of Eastern Europe, source of a considerable amount of spam and viruses. JD _ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Virus infection alert ! Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:31:53 -0600 YMMV, of course. But let's not accuse anybody without proof. Particularly when doing so is likely to hurt someone else on the list. Especially when the suspect has been banned from this list and thus isn't able to defend himself. Y'know, fair trial and all that. JD _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Virus infection alert !
Hi, This message is to inform you that Nick's Brin-L service has just dumped an infected message send by Deborah's machine, on the brin-l list. Just to warn the list. And to Nick and Deborah I'd want to suggest that they upgrade their virus protection a notch or two. :o) Infected message was send by [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject of Re: Excel file and contained the virus: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have fun, Sonja :o0 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Virus infection alert !
At 09:38 AM 4/2/04, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Hi, This message is to inform you that Nick's Brin-L service has just dumped an infected message send by Deborah's machine, on the brin-l list. Just to warn the list. And to Nick and Deborah I'd want to suggest that they upgrade their virus protection a notch or two. :o) Infected message was send by [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject of Re: Excel file and contained the virus: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have fun, Sonja :o0 FWIW, I never received the original message, so I suppose it was filtered out somewhere before it got here. (No, thanks . . . no one needs to send me a copy . . . ;-) ) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Hi, This message is to inform you that Nick's Brin-L service has just dumped an infected message send by Deborah's machine, on the brin-l list. Just to warn the list. And to Nick and Deborah I'd want to suggest that they upgrade their virus protection a notch or two. :o) Infected message was send by [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject of Re: Excel file and contained the virus: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The server strips off attachments, so it didn't really come from the list, unless something is terribly wrong. I suspect it is the usual virus forging the return address that makes it appear to have come from the list. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Huh? Did you look at the headers? It would be a hell of a good forgery if your contention is true. Besides, how did they get the Brin-L subscription list? Is your email list server infected? Or did J do it? On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 10:10:29AM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Hi, This message is to inform you that Nick's Brin-L service has just dumped an infected message send by Deborah's machine, on the brin-l list. Just to warn the list. And to Nick and Deborah I'd want to suggest that they upgrade their virus protection a notch or two. :o) Infected message was send by [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject of Re: Excel file and contained the virus: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The server strips off attachments, so it didn't really come from the list, unless something is terribly wrong. I suspect it is the usual virus forging the return address that makes it appear to have come from the list. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Virus infection alert !
Erik Reuter wrote: Huh? Did you look at the headers? It would be a hell of a good forgery if your contention is true. Besides, how did they get the Brin-L subscription list? Is your email list server infected? Or did J do it? Good forgery? All it has to do is forge a return address of somebody on the list and the message will get through. (Not that I really want everyone to know that.) More to the point, it wasn't sent as an attachment (don't know how it got into the body), so it shouldn't infect anybody. It's the MyDoom virus or variant -- I recognize the encoding characters. It claims to have originated at btopenworld.com -- I just grepped the entire archive and that's the only message with that string in it. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Huh? Did you look at the headers? It would be a hell of a good forgery if your contention is true. Besides, how did they get the Brin-L subscription list? Is your email list server infected? Or did J do it? Oh please. Why would he include his wife? - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Erik Reuter wrote: Huh? Did you look at the headers? It would be a hell of a good forgery if your contention is true. Besides, how did they get the Brin-L subscription list? Is your email list server infected? Or did J do it? Excuse me!? Sonja GCU: Stop the unfounded harrasments. I've had more then enough of it. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Virus infection alert !
Nick Arnett wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: Huh? Did you look at the headers? It would be a hell of a good forgery if your contention is true. Besides, how did they get the Brin-L subscription list? Is your email list server infected? Or did J do it? Good forgery? All it has to do is forge a return address of somebody on the list and the message will get through. (Not that I really want everyone to know that.) More to the point, it wasn't sent as an attachment (don't know how it got into the body), so it shouldn't infect anybody. It's the MyDoom virus or variant -- I recognize the encoding characters. It claims to have originated at btopenworld.com -- I just grepped the entire archive and that's the only message with that string in it. According to Norton the message had an attachment, which was deleted on reception of the e-mail (and backed up into the machines quarentine zone) to fix the bugged message. I won't dig up the specifics though. It's not worth the effort. Sonja GCU: Couldn't care less even if I tried ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Virus infection alert !
Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: This message is to inform you that Nick's Brin-L service has just dumped an infected message send by Deborah's machine, on the brin-l list. Just to warn the list. And to Nick and Deborah I'd want to suggest that they upgrade their virus protection a notch or two. :o) Infected message was send by [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject of Re: Excel file and contained the virus: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I turned my computer on today approx. 50 minutes ago, so I don't see how my machine could be have sent the message (it appears to have started early this AM), so I checked with the office computer guy. He looked and said our firewall hadn't been breached, but mentioned something about spoofing WRT the appearance of 'me' having sent this. FWIW, the same message/vrus wound up in my yahoo bulk mail, as well as another one 'letter,' _also_ from 'my' yahoo address. I don't log onto my Yahoo account except from the office and rarely the public library (not in the past couple of months), and my actual office email address has also apparently not be forged/used, nor my Hotmail account. I'm not trying to be defensive*, but I do make an effort to avoid computer virus infection, and have never opened any unexpected/verified attachments (according to our tech, even if I did attempt to open an 'infected' attachment, the system would shut me out or delete the virus before I could open it). * But I _am_ really angry about this. It's like somebody making nasty prank calls and somehow having the trace forged back to you. I don't know about the List address book, but anyone can access our archives (a couple of us have in fact gotten emails from people not on the List at all, but who in googling for something found our posts on particular subjects). Debbi who now feels like she needs a virtual bath:( __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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How nice to know that you are safe. I'm terribly sorry I mentioned you or the list in connection with any of this and I'm very sorry to have troubled you or the list with my concerns. It won't happen again. Sonja GCU: ... Deborah Harrell wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: snipped all ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: How nice to know that you are safe. I'm terribly sorry I mentioned you or the list in connection with any of this and I'm very sorry to have troubled you or the list with my concerns. wry *You* didn't trouble me...but the tapeworm-infested mangy cur who unleashed this virus did! snarl I realize that I was not a target in particular - how many thousands have had the same thing happen to them? (our computer tech said that this 'spoofing' has been going on for quite a while, so I guess it's only a matter of time before you or someone you know is hit) - but that's how it feels. Kinda ties into Keith's 'xenophobic meme' theme, doesn't it? [By the by, that was a nicely put take-down, K. wicked smile] Debbi I've Had Some Chocolate, So I'm Feeling More Mellow Now Maru :) (At Least I'm Not Stomping About Accosting Our Nice Tech-Support Guy Anymore Maru) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 10:44:25AM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: Good forgery? All it has to do is forge a return address of somebody on the list and the message will get through. (Not that I really want everyone to know that.) But you just said it didn't come through the list! If it didn't come through the list, it was a damn good forgery. More to the point, it wasn't sent as an attachment (don't know how it got into the body), so it shouldn't infect anybody. It had the standard attachment labels when I received it. It was specified to be an .xls (Excel) file. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 09:13:08PM +0200, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Excuse me!? You're excused. But just this once. Next time you'll need a note from your mother. GCU: Stop the unfounded harrasments. Or, they're found all right. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 12:22 PM 4/2/04, Erik Reuter wrote: Huh? Did you look at the headers? It would be a hell of a good forgery if your contention is true. Besides, how did they get the Brin-L subscription list? Is your email list server infected? Or did J do it? IMO that suggestion was uncalled for. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 03:19:34PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: IMO that suggestion was uncalled for. Please try to pay better attention, people... -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Virus infection alert ! Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:22:20 -0500 Huh? Did you look at the headers? It would be a hell of a good forgery if your contention is true. Besides, how did they get the Brin-L subscription list? Is your email list server infected? Or did J do it? Pardon my newbie ignorance, but... J ? BTW, this list's messages are in a public archive, so anyone could have harvested the e-mail addresses from Brin-L subscribers. JD _ Hotmail en Messenger on the move http://www.msn.nl/communicatie/smsdiensten/hotmailsmsv2/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Virus infection alert ! Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:01:52 -0500 On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 10:44:25AM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: Good forgery? All it has to do is forge a return address of somebody on the list and the message will get through. (Not that I really want everyone to know that.) But you just said it didn't come through the list! If it didn't come through the list, it was a damn good forgery. No, Nick said it didn't come *from* the list. The infected message was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], so it did come *through* the list, just not from anyone *on* the list (at least, I hope it didn't). JD _ Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 10:29:49PM +0200, John Doe wrote: Pardon my newbie ignorance, but... J ? Cute, but not nearly convincing enough. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 11:21:47PM +0200, John Doe wrote: No, Nick said it didn't come *from* the list. The infected message was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], so it did come *through* the list, just not from anyone *on* the list (at least, I hope it didn't). Please try to pay better attention, folks. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IMO that suggestion was uncalled for. Please try to pay better attention, people... Better attention to what? I must not have been paying attention... - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 04:54:41PM -0600, Horn, John wrote: Better attention to what? I must not have been paying attention... The flow and logic of the discussion. Several people haven't been following. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 06:00 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 04:54:41PM -0600, Horn, John wrote: Better attention to what? I must not have been paying attention... The flow and logic of the discussion. Several people haven't been following. -- Erik Reuter Damn you are right, as usual. But I wouldn't have noticed without you mentioning it. Kevin Good job Erik ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: And to Nick and Deborah I'd want to suggest that they upgrade their virus protection a notch or two. :o) I think the real problem is that people trust too much anti-viruses. Anti-viruses are _useless_: they can only filter _old_ viruses. The only protection against new viruses is either using a decent O.S. or (deleting every html message and every attachment) Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Horn, John wrote: From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IMO that suggestion was uncalled for. Please try to pay better attention, people... Better attention to what? I must not have been paying attention... I thought I was paying attention, but I think I'm lost. Anyone have directions? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: According to Norton the message had an attachment, which was deleted on reception of the e-mail (and backed up into the machines quarentine zone) to fix the bugged message. I won't dig up the specifics though. It's not worth the effort. Norton does string matching on the whole document, without trying to figure out what's an attachment or not. It really doesn't know. So it did what it's supposed to do, though it's a false positive. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 10:44:25AM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: Good forgery? All it has to do is forge a return address of somebody on the list and the message will get through. (Not that I really want everyone to know that.) But you just said it didn't come through the list! If it didn't come through the list, it was a damn good forgery. I didn't realize that *something* came through the list when I wrote that. The something wasn't a virus, however -- it was just the MIME representation of a virus, in the body of a plain-text message. It had the standard attachment labels when I received it. It was specified to be an .xls (Excel) file. Perhaps, but unless it is actually formatted as a MIME-encoded message (which it wasn't), no e-mail client should treat it as one, making it innocuous. The server doesn't allow multi-part MIME messages to go to the list. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 04:54:41PM -0600, Horn, John wrote: Better attention to what? I must not have been paying attention... The flow and logic of the discussion. Several people haven't been following. Some of us don't like to be followers... ;-) Nick P.S. Every mail message that goes through our server is screened for viruses using Clam AV. See http://www.clamav.net/ P.P.S. Here's how the message in question looked to the archiver: http://www.mccmedia.com/pipermail/brin-l/Week-of-Mon-20040329/036734.html -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Virus infection alert ! Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:55:28 -0500 On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 10:29:49PM +0200, John Doe wrote: Pardon my newbie ignorance, but... J ? Cute, but not nearly convincing enough. Don't worry JD. Some day you will transcend cute, and move on to cutesy. -Travis _ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Horn, John wrote: From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IMO that suggestion was uncalled for. Please try to pay better attention, people... Better attention to what? I must not have been paying attention... I thought I was paying attention, but I think I'm lost. Anyone have directions? He's Saying something about GMT -02:00. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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FWIW, I just got another presumed virus email, 24K, from [EMAIL PROTECTED], Re: Your software. Bloody annoying. Debbi Off To The Symphony Now Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Horn, John wrote: From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IMO that suggestion was uncalled for. Please try to pay better attention, people... Better attention to what? I must not have been paying attention... I thought I was paying attention, but I think I'm lost. Anyone have directions? Should be: He's Saying something about GMT +02:00. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 05:39:42PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: I thought I was paying attention, but I think I'm lost. Anyone have directions? For the record, what I was really suggesting was NOT that John Doe forged the email with the MIME virus representation to make it look like it passed through the listmailer when it fact he actually mailed it directly to everyone on the list. No, that is clearly beyond John Doe's abilities at forgery. That part was a joke. That message clearly DID go through the listmailer, and I was just kidding with Nick, although I was curious about it. Nick suggested that the reason it got through the virus filters was because it was MIME encoded. Also, the email apparently DID forge the From: address, otherwise brin-l would not have sent it out. I guess the archive software shouldn't give the email addresses (even with @ spelled out) because then people can grab one, forge an email, and get the entire list to receive the spam or virus. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 4/2/2004 4:41:05 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Better attention to what? I must not have been paying attention... I thought I was paying attention, but I think I'm lost. Anyone have directions? Julia Don't forget the left tern at Albequerque. Vilyehm - (Spellcheck. Wow, did I actually get it right?) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 4/2/2004 5:11:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debbi Off To The Symphony Now Maru I want to know what was playing. But if it aint Baroque, don't fax it. Vilyehm - Falls asleep to most Mahler. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: John Doe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:29 PM Subject: Re: Virus infection alert ! From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Virus infection alert ! Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:22:20 -0500 Huh? Did you look at the headers? It would be a hell of a good forgery if your contention is true. Besides, how did they get the Brin-L subscription list? Is your email list server infected? Or did J do it? Pardon my newbie ignorance, but... J ? BTW, this list's messages are in a public archive, so anyone could have harvested the e-mail addresses from Brin-L subscribers. I've been suggesting just that for a few months now. I've been getting viruses from names suspiciously like some of our listmembers and I know I'm not the only one this has happened to. The viral messages seem to come in flurries over a week or two and then die off, only to start up again a month or two later. It hasn't been much of a hassle. My anti-virus is set to auto-update daily. And Mailwasher (now working quite well again) has also been helpful in keeping my inbox clean. I'm wondering if there is a way to strip addresses from the archive. It might also act to entice archive lurkers to join the list if they want to comment rather than mail individuals with their comments offlist. xponent Never Got the Mail In Question Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 3 Apr 2004, at 1:10 am, Deborah Harrell wrote: FWIW, I just got another presumed virus email, 24K, from [EMAIL PROTECTED], Re: Your software. I get a few emails every day from ISPs telling me I sent a virus. Forged headers. I don't actually get any viruses (or much spam) because my ISP has filters. And they wouldn't work anyway because I don't run any Micro$hit operating systems -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our products just aren't engineered for security. - Brian Valentine, senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows development team. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 03:42 PM 4/2/04, Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 03:19:34PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: IMO that suggestion was uncalled for. Please try to pay better attention, people... I have been paying attention . . . for at least the past couple of years, in fact. I've noticed that most of us seem to have moved on from that less-than-happy series of events. IMO it is uncalled for to bring it up again unless at the very least someone has overwhelming proof that this is somehow related to those past events. FWIW, I've had my address spoofed for a virus attack. I didn't figure it was anything personal. In fact, a lot of viruses that have come out during the past several months include code that randomly picks an address from the ones it harvests from people's address books and spoofs it as the From: address when it sends infected messages to the other addresses it harvested. That's what I figured had happened to me when someone informed me that they had received an infected file supposedly from me, and if I were to guess, that's what I'd guess happened here. YMMV, of course. But let's not accuse anybody without proof. Particularly when doing so is likely to hurt someone else on the list. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Friends, Nick suggested that the reason it got through the virus filters was because it was MIME encoded. Close. The message got through the virus filters because it was *not* MIME-encoded -- it was a plain text message that just happened to contain the the textual representation of a MIME-encoded message. What's the difference, you ask? The message itself is contained in a MIME container that has the type text/plain. The content *would* have been interpreted as the violating enclosure if it was not wrapped in a text/plain container, but it was. In short, it looks like the goober who did this /almost/ knows what s/he is doing. Viewing the archived copy http://www.mccmedia.com/pipermail/brin-l/Week-of-Mon-20040329/036734.html, while perfectly safe, still managed to trigger a virus alert from McAfee VirusScan on my machine, reporting an infection by the W32/Netsky.d.eml!exe virus -- it is responding to the bit patterns of the encoded data, even though it is really just plain text in an HTML page. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 07:31:53PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: I have been paying attention . . . for at least the past couple of years, Oh, then you are just clueless. Sorry, my condolences. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 05:42:23PM -0800, Dave Land wrote: The message got through the virus filters because it was *not* MIME-encoded -- it was a plain text message that just happened to contain the the textual representation of a MIME-encoded message. What's the difference, you ask? The message itself is contained in a MIME container that has the type text/plain. The content *would* have been interpreted as the violating enclosure if it was not wrapped in a text/plain container, but it was. In short, it looks like the goober who did this /almost/ knows what s/he is doing. Thanks for the explanation. Heh. Neat hack, I guess. Did you send it to the maintainers of the virus filters, to see if they can update their programs to catch this sort of thing? -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 05:42:23PM -0800, Dave Land wrote: The message got through the virus filters because it was *not* MIME-encoded -- it was a plain text message that just happened to contain the the textual representation of a MIME-encoded message. I was just looking at its header again. I found this: Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Prev-Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary==_NextPart_000_0001_12ED.6321 So it was text/plain, as you said. But it looks like it used to be multipart/mixed, and something converted it. Any clue what converted it and added the X-Spam header? -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Erik Reuter wrote: For the record, what I was really suggesting was NOT that John Doe forged the email with the MIME virus representation to make it look like it passed through the listmailer when it fact he actually mailed it directly to everyone on the list. No, that is clearly beyond John Doe's abilities at forgery. That part was a joke. That message clearly DID go through the listmailer, and I was just kidding with Nick, although I was curious about it. Nick suggested that the reason it got through the virus filters was because it was MIME encoded. Just to be clear, it got through the filters because the *message* had a MIME type of plain/text (or none at all, which amounts to the same thing). But that also made it harmless, unless someone goes to the trouble of turning the MIME-encoded text back into an executable. Also, the email apparently DID forge the From: address, otherwise brin-l would not have sent it out. I guess the archive software shouldn't give the email addresses (even with @ spelled out) because then people can grab one, forge an email, and get the entire list to receive the spam or virus. But if anyone figures to play games thus, they'd better also figure out how to do some sort of IP spoofing... Spam, yes. Viruses, no. At least not in any executable form. AFAIK. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Erik Reuter wrote: So it was text/plain, as you said. But it looks like it used to be multipart/mixed, and something converted it. Any clue what converted it and added the X-Spam header? Nope. Fairly odd. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 07:51 PM 4/2/04, Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 07:31:53PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: I have been paying attention . . . for at least the past couple of years, Oh, then you are just clueless. And you are just deliberately rude. Try becoming civilized. IAAMOAC Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 05:39:42PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: I thought I was paying attention, but I think I'm lost. Anyone have directions? For the record, what I was really suggesting was NOT that John Doe forged the email with the MIME virus representation to make it look like it passed through the listmailer when it fact he actually mailed it directly to everyone on the list. No, that is clearly beyond John Doe's abilities at forgery. That part was a joke. That message clearly DID go through the listmailer, and I was just kidding with Nick, although I was curious about it. Nick suggested that the reason it got through the virus filters was because it was MIME encoded. Also, the email apparently DID forge the From: address, otherwise brin-l would not have sent it out. I guess the archive software shouldn't give the email addresses (even with @ spelled out) because then people can grab one, forge an email, and get the entire list to receive the spam or virus. Aside from your I guess statement, I understood all *that*. What I didn't understand was the general apparent cluelessness. Also, I'm so fried that's about all I *did* understand. But thank you to everyone who offered some sort of clarification for me. :) Julia need to get kids to bed, and then help hubby upstairs, then go scarf down enough calories to make up for the lack I've suffered in the past 48 hours ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 09:05:40PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: And you are just deliberately rude. Try becoming civilized. Try getting a clue. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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MyDoom, which is pretty popular right now, tries to read whatever address books it can find on the victim's computer to harvest email addresses. It also crawls through a lot of different files--everything with .txt, .htm and several other extensions, for anything that looks like an email address. (One of the file extensions is searchs is .dbx, so if you use Outlook Express, it will find every passing reference to an email address in any message you still have.) It then picks a harvested address at random to be the lucky From person, and starts sending mail to all the others. MyDoom also includes a nifty little mail server in case it can't use your ISP's mail server. It sends messages with attachments with different extensions, including .ZIP. It tries to fool you into opening the attachments by using names like this: whatever.dochundred spaces.exe So you think it's a .doc or .txt or .zip file, and it's really an executable program. It also does a limited dictionary attack, with a list of several dozen common names, sending a message to each of these names on each domain in its list. So it doesn't just send to email addresses it got from you, it also tries to guess email address names for all the domains it found anywhere on your computer. This is very rude, and means that the big domains are having to send tons of non-delivery reports for all the bogus email coming at them. And if you're the poor From guy, then you start getting all those NDRs delivered to your mailbox too. Along with all the bitch mail from antivirus programs telling you that you sent them a virus. (This is why these programs should quit notifying senders of viruses--forged From is getting to be so common that they just end up panicking or annoying someone innocent.) It also copies itself to your Kazaa share directory, so you start offering it to other unwary Kazaa users as one of several different file names. As for why it ended up being in the body of a message, who knows (or really cares)? There are new strains of the same old viruses released every day, each one more incompetent and buggy than the last. Or some kind of filter munged it up, or something. It could have gotten corrupted or truncated en route in such a way that the MIME blob became interpreted as plain text. Bottom line: if you get a virus via email, it's more likely than not these days that it didn't come from the From: person. You don't even need to inform them just to be safe. Someone else who's less educated (lots of someone else's, most likely) will have already done it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Reuter Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:08 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Virus infection alert ! On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:03:32PM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: But if anyone figures to play games thus, they'd better also figure out how to do some sort of IP spoofing... Or write a virus that gets other people to send the email for you, or find an open relay, or take over someone's insecure computer on a cable modem or DSL network... -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/2/2004 5:11:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debbi Off To The Symphony Now Maru I want to know what was playing. But if it aint Baroque, don't fax it. Vilyehm - Falls asleep to most Mahler. As long as you don't snore in the concert hall, not a problem. I had a boyfriend once who told me his dad would fall asleep at the symphony. His snoring was in time to the music, though, at least. :) My own dad wasn't quite as musically inclined in his sleep, then again, the piece he fell asleep for wasn't any great shakes. (He was awake for all of the piece we were there for me to hear, at least.) I haven't listened to any Mahler in awhile. Not sure how Catherine would like it. Julia OD'ing on Smash Mouth lately ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 4/2/2004 9:53:00 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Falls asleep to most Mahler. As long as you don't snore in the concert hall, not a problem. My impression on Mahler is that it's a good half hour piece stretched out to an hour and twenty minutes because he was being paid by the note. My main problem in a concert hall would be in refraining from yelling out foyer! in a crowded lobby. More Hoffnung! William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
