Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
On Jan 25, 10:49 am, leo wrote: > Sorry to be slow getting back - we've had a thirty hour power outage > following a storm that ripped off roofs and uprooted trees. A little > unusual here in Spain. > @everybody and nobody, I dislike Eclipse and Netbeans because > 1. (without redoing the sums) I don't understand why an editor should > use in excess of 250MB runtime (including java) - even Photoshop uses > less than that, and it works. NetBeans runs in way less than 250MB (mine is running right now at 128K with all of the plugins, the embedded web server and several projects open). > 2. I hate Java. Why is it there? Leave it in AI toasters where it > belongs. And stop reinventing uses for it. (java servlets and sh*t > like that) Java is a powerful language and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should go away. It was written for distributed computing, and it's reputation as a toaster language came mostly from flaming logos in the early days of the web. You might as well say that nobody should have written Cake since there were already MVC frameworks around. Or hate PHP because it grew out of Perl so why would we need another language. BTW, James Gosling wrote the early Unix version of Emacs (http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Gosling) and even he says to use a "real" IDE: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;170166942;fp;16;fpid;1 > 3. They both stopped my PC in its tracks (brand new out the box fully > loaded) although NetBeans was a little better. Which version of NB did you load up? > 4. One didn't have drag and drop and the other didn't have something > else really basic that I don't remember. > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
I use NetBeans with Cake and haven't seen any serious shortcomings on code completion, can you elaborate ? My only complaint with the PHP support in NB has been that it feels a bit like a bolt-on, but as the past has shown I'm sure the NB team will continue to rapidly improve that. There's also a request (that I think people should vote for) to have Cake added to NetBeans, which would make things even easier. On Jan 24, 4:31 am, rogwei wrote: > Emacs is the bomb. Free, cross-platform, extendable, and butters your > toast. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that several other Mac > applications respond to the same cursor movement keyboard shortcuts. > It's like...a > > I too tried Eclipse and NetBeans and found them seriously flawed (on > the Mac platform at least) and I am using state of the art quad core > intel hardware. My beefs were not so much with performance, duh, but > with the heavy handed project paradigm in Eclipse and the bugginess of > NetBeans code completion. Both were show stoppers for me. > > Emacs is included in Leopard through the Terminal application, but you > might want to set up MacPorts and install the X version. There is a > PHP mode for Emacs, also available through MacPorts, that provides > some useful features for PHP development. > > On Jan 23, 6:01 am, leo wrote: > > > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > > properly. > > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > > be free. > > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
"I get inordinate bloat in the project explorer" What do you mean by this? If you create your project correctly (I just use general project then switch to the php perspective), you should only have one .project file that's in your project explorer. When you use the other project types like Java and even PHP project it will create a folder structure it thinks you should use. Maybe that's what you're referring to? Give the general project setup a try. As well, if you're using SVN there will be all the needed files for that. I usually perform an Export out of SVN to clean all that up before putting the files on my production server. On Jan 25, 11:04 am, rogwei wrote: > Maybe I'm missing something about Eclipse, but when I create a project > for CakePHP (which seems to be a requirement in this discussion) I get > inordinate bloat in the project explorer. Is there a workaround for > this? How do people tolerate such a mess, given that one of the basic > things you use an IDE for is project management? I would love to know, > because otherwise, I think Eclipse is a fairly attractive alternative > for the other noted features. > > On Jan 25, 7:34 am, rgreenphotodesign > wrote: > > > Eclipse is nice because it's the same on all OS. If you use Windows at > > work and Mac at home, it still works pretty much the same. That and > > I've been using it since version 1 and I'm kind of used to it. > > > I've tried CODA and it's pretty cool. I like the CSS editior which is > > something most pure IDEs lack and well as the terminal window options. > > I'm still trying to decide if it's worth the 100 or if I'm OK using > > Eclipse and CSS editors that came with Adobe Dreamweaver, since I > > already own it as a part of the suite I use. > > > On Jan 25, 7:45 am, Janoma wrote: > > > > I'd go for Smultron, though I don't think the newest versions work on > > > non-intel macs. > > > > On Jan 23, 11:01 am, leo wrote: > > > > > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > > > > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > > > > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > > > > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > > > > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > > > > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > > > > properly. > > > > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > > > > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > > > > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > > > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > > > > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > > > > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > > > > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > > > > be free. > > > > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
doh! I saw that and assumed it meant the bottom of the page. Thanks. I'll try it a little more now - until the trial expires. On Jan 25, 8:04 pm, Jon Bennett wrote: > > TextMate I tried, but please tell me I'm being dumb and you can show > > line numbers without saving them in the file. > > View > Gutter > Line numbers > > hth > > j > > -- > > jon bennett > w:http://www.jben.net/ > iChat (AIM): jbendotnet Skype: jon-bennett --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
> TextMate I tried, but please tell me I'm being dumb and you can show > line numbers without saving them in the file. View > Gutter > Line numbers hth j -- jon bennett w: http://www.jben.net/ iChat (AIM): jbendotnet Skype: jon-bennett --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
Sorry to be slow getting back - we've had a thirty hour power outage following a storm that ripped off roofs and uprooted trees. A little unusual here in Spain. @everybody and nobody, I dislike Eclipse and Netbeans because 1. (without redoing the sums) I don't understand why an editor should use in excess of 250MB runtime (including java) - even Photoshop uses less than that, and it works. 2. I hate Java. Why is it there? Leave it in AI toasters where it belongs. And stop reinventing uses for it. (java servlets and sh*t like that) 3. They both stopped my PC in its tracks (brand new out the box fully loaded) although NetBeans was a little better. 4. One didn't have drag and drop and the other didn't have something else really basic that I don't remember. Smultron I tried. It's okay for HTML but I don't think it really cuts it with PHP. Editor/IDE - I don't really care - it doesn't really matter for PHP. TextMate I tried, but please tell me I'm being dumb and you can show line numbers without saving them in the file. Espresso is good but unstable. I haven't tried TextWrangler yet, but I will. I used Emacs as my main editor/IDE for about 12 years. Maybe I'll give it a go again. It has the advantage that it can be used for system level files aswell. Or maybe I'll brush off my C++ skills (blech) and write one in Cocoa or even see if it can be done in Python. Anyway, I'll write a more considered reply a little later when I've caught up with everything else. On Jan 25, 7:04 pm, rogwei wrote: > Maybe I'm missing something about Eclipse, but when I create a project > for CakePHP (which seems to be a requirement in this discussion) I get > inordinate bloat in the project explorer. Is there a workaround for > this? How do people tolerate such a mess, given that one of the basic > things you use an IDE for is project management? I would love to know, > because otherwise, I think Eclipse is a fairly attractive alternative > for the other noted features. > > On Jan 25, 7:34 am, rgreenphotodesign > wrote: > > > Eclipse is nice because it's the same on all OS. If you use Windows at > > work and Mac at home, it still works pretty much the same. That and > > I've been using it since version 1 and I'm kind of used to it. > > > I've tried CODA and it's pretty cool. I like the CSS editior which is > > something most pure IDEs lack and well as the terminal window options. > > I'm still trying to decide if it's worth the 100 or if I'm OK using > > Eclipse and CSS editors that came with Adobe Dreamweaver, since I > > already own it as a part of the suite I use. > > > On Jan 25, 7:45 am, Janoma wrote: > > > > I'd go for Smultron, though I don't think the newest versions work on > > > non-intel macs. > > > > On Jan 23, 11:01 am, leo wrote: > > > > > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > > > > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > > > > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > > > > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > > > > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > > > > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > > > > properly. > > > > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > > > > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > > > > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > > > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > > > > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > > > > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > > > > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > > > > be free. > > > > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
Maybe I'm missing something about Eclipse, but when I create a project for CakePHP (which seems to be a requirement in this discussion) I get inordinate bloat in the project explorer. Is there a workaround for this? How do people tolerate such a mess, given that one of the basic things you use an IDE for is project management? I would love to know, because otherwise, I think Eclipse is a fairly attractive alternative for the other noted features. On Jan 25, 7:34 am, rgreenphotodesign wrote: > Eclipse is nice because it's the same on all OS. If you use Windows at > work and Mac at home, it still works pretty much the same. That and > I've been using it since version 1 and I'm kind of used to it. > > I've tried CODA and it's pretty cool. I like the CSS editior which is > something most pure IDEs lack and well as the terminal window options. > I'm still trying to decide if it's worth the 100 or if I'm OK using > Eclipse and CSS editors that came with Adobe Dreamweaver, since I > already own it as a part of the suite I use. > > On Jan 25, 7:45 am, Janoma wrote: > > > I'd go for Smultron, though I don't think the newest versions work on > > non-intel macs. > > > On Jan 23, 11:01 am, leo wrote: > > > > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > > > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > > > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > > > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > > > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > > > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > > > properly. > > > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > > > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > > > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > > > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > > > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > > > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > > > be free. > > > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
Eclipse is nice because it's the same on all OS. If you use Windows at work and Mac at home, it still works pretty much the same. That and I've been using it since version 1 and I'm kind of used to it. I've tried CODA and it's pretty cool. I like the CSS editior which is something most pure IDEs lack and well as the terminal window options. I'm still trying to decide if it's worth the 100 or if I'm OK using Eclipse and CSS editors that came with Adobe Dreamweaver, since I already own it as a part of the suite I use. On Jan 25, 7:45 am, Janoma wrote: > I'd go for Smultron, though I don't think the newest versions work on > non-intel macs. > > On Jan 23, 11:01 am, leo wrote: > > > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > > properly. > > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > > be free. > > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
I'd go for Smultron, though I don't think the newest versions work on non-intel macs. On Jan 23, 11:01 am, leo wrote: > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > properly. > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > be free. > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
I've got Coda and Eclipse PDT, with no doubts I recommend Eclipse PDT and I think I will do it for all life. Although Coda is thin and pretty, isn't as robust as Eclipse, with Eclipse you can install a big quantity of plugins to manage databases, UML graph, FTP integration, SVN integration, and so on. Another thing, I don't like Coda autocompletion mechanism, I think that for big projects you should use Eclipse, I just use Coda for edit a simple file in some occasions. On Jan 23, 3:01 pm, leo wrote: > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > properly. > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > be free. > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
Forgot to add: Basically outside of Komodo and various java-based apps, I don't think there is a php-friendly *free* IDE for OS X. Would love to be proved wrong! Pete On Jan 24, 4:50 pm, "p...@otaqui.com" wrote: > This discussion is covering both editors (like TextMate) to IDEs (like > Eclipse, Komodo and emacs). > > Nothing wrong with that of course, but the two kinds of software tend > to have quite different goals. > > If what you really want a project-wide features like code > introspection, debugging and completion, then an IDE is the way to > go. As rogwei mentioned, the project management side of the more > heavywight IDEs like eclipse is painful if you're no used to it - and > by the same token, everything can feel bare naked in TextMate if you > are used to an IDE. > > There is one app that's somewhere between an Editor and an IDE that > hasn't been mentioned, it's not free, called skEdit: > > http://skti.org/skedit/ > > skEdit is pure os x software - so it doesn't suffer from the java-ness > of eclipse, and it looks a bit like Textmate too, but the project > management is all baked in and doesn't need any plugins (same with SVN > support). I don't think it's as awesome as TextMate, but if TM leaves > you feeling like you're wearing the emporer's new clothes it might be > the one for you. I must admit I wasn't overly impressed with it's > Code Completion in a CakePHP project, since it doesn't seem to inspect > your classes, but for that level you'd really have to go for eclipse. > > By the way - on an eclipse tip, if you have a fairly serious chunk of > cash lying around, you might try Zend Studio, which is built on top of > it. Studio's PHP debugging is, in my experience, peerless; not only > can you set breakpoints and step through your code you can even step > *backward*. > > http://www.zend.com/products/studio/ > > If you really REALLY want free, then have a look at TextWrangler, from > the BBEdit folks: > > http://www.barebones.com/products/TextWrangler/ > > And also Smultron from Tuppis > > http://tuppis.com/smultron/ > > If you want to try emacs but don't like Terminal.app, try Xemacs: > > http://www.xemacs.org/ > > Or, if you're more a Vi kind of guy, there is also MacVim: > > http://code.google.com/p/macvim/ > > (there's an older macvim.org site, but that isn't maintained any more) > > Phew! That was more than I had planned on writing :) > > Pete > > On Jan 24, 1:53 pm, hellfish wrote: > > > Coda really rocks, I've been using the demo version and I'm seriously > > thinking about purchasing the complete version. > > > On Jan 24, 12:31 pm, rogwei wrote: > > > > Emacs is the bomb. Free, cross-platform, extendable, and butters your > > > toast. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that several other Mac > > > applications respond to the same cursor movement keyboard shortcuts. > > > It's like...a > > > > I too tried Eclipse and NetBeans and found them seriously flawed (on > > > the Mac platform at least) and I am using state of the art quad core > > > intel hardware. My beefs were not so much with performance, duh, but > > > with the heavy handed project paradigm in Eclipse and the bugginess of > > > NetBeans code completion. Both were show stoppers for me. > > > > Emacs is included in Leopard through the Terminal application, but you > > > might want to set up MacPorts and install the X version. There is a > > > PHP mode for Emacs, also available through MacPorts, that provides > > > some useful features for PHP development. > > > > On Jan 23, 6:01 am, leo wrote: > > > > > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > > > > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > > > > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > > > > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > > > > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > > > > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > > > > properly. > > > > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > > > > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > > > > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > > > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > > > > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > > > > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > > > > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > > > > be free. > > > > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://gr
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
This discussion is covering both editors (like TextMate) to IDEs (like Eclipse, Komodo and emacs). Nothing wrong with that of course, but the two kinds of software tend to have quite different goals. If what you really want a project-wide features like code introspection, debugging and completion, then an IDE is the way to go. As rogwei mentioned, the project management side of the more heavywight IDEs like eclipse is painful if you're no used to it - and by the same token, everything can feel bare naked in TextMate if you are used to an IDE. There is one app that's somewhere between an Editor and an IDE that hasn't been mentioned, it's not free, called skEdit: http://skti.org/skedit/ skEdit is pure os x software - so it doesn't suffer from the java-ness of eclipse, and it looks a bit like Textmate too, but the project management is all baked in and doesn't need any plugins (same with SVN support). I don't think it's as awesome as TextMate, but if TM leaves you feeling like you're wearing the emporer's new clothes it might be the one for you. I must admit I wasn't overly impressed with it's Code Completion in a CakePHP project, since it doesn't seem to inspect your classes, but for that level you'd really have to go for eclipse. By the way - on an eclipse tip, if you have a fairly serious chunk of cash lying around, you might try Zend Studio, which is built on top of it. Studio's PHP debugging is, in my experience, peerless; not only can you set breakpoints and step through your code you can even step *backward*. http://www.zend.com/products/studio/ If you really REALLY want free, then have a look at TextWrangler, from the BBEdit folks: http://www.barebones.com/products/TextWrangler/ And also Smultron from Tuppis http://tuppis.com/smultron/ If you want to try emacs but don't like Terminal.app, try Xemacs: http://www.xemacs.org/ Or, if you're more a Vi kind of guy, there is also MacVim: http://code.google.com/p/macvim/ (there's an older macvim.org site, but that isn't maintained any more) Phew! That was more than I had planned on writing :) Pete On Jan 24, 1:53 pm, hellfish wrote: > Coda really rocks, I've been using the demo version and I'm seriously > thinking about purchasing the complete version. > > On Jan 24, 12:31 pm, rogwei wrote: > > > Emacs is the bomb. Free, cross-platform, extendable, and butters your > > toast. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that several other Mac > > applications respond to the same cursor movement keyboard shortcuts. > > It's like...a > > > I too tried Eclipse and NetBeans and found them seriously flawed (on > > the Mac platform at least) and I am using state of the art quad core > > intel hardware. My beefs were not so much with performance, duh, but > > with the heavy handed project paradigm in Eclipse and the bugginess of > > NetBeans code completion. Both were show stoppers for me. > > > Emacs is included in Leopard through the Terminal application, but you > > might want to set up MacPorts and install the X version. There is a > > PHP mode for Emacs, also available through MacPorts, that provides > > some useful features for PHP development. > > > On Jan 23, 6:01 am, leo wrote: > > > > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > > > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > > > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > > > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > > > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > > > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > > > properly. > > > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > > > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > > > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > > > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > > > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > > > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > > > be free. > > > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
+1 for Coda or TextMate, but neither are free -- but they both cost less than $100. Money well-spent, IMO. As for freebies, you cannot go wrong with TextWrangler: http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/ I still use this little GUI editor when I need to perform some quick FTP edits and uploads. I also use it to edit my web development environment config files quickly (HOSTS, http/virtual hosts, etc). It's got decent find and replace, FTP bookmarks, support for syntax highlighting on tons of languages. Check it out for yourself. On Jan 23, 9:01 am, leo wrote: > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > properly. > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > be free. > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
Coda really rocks, I've been using the demo version and I'm seriously thinking about purchasing the complete version. On Jan 24, 12:31 pm, rogwei wrote: > Emacs is the bomb. Free, cross-platform, extendable, and butters your > toast. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that several other Mac > applications respond to the same cursor movement keyboard shortcuts. > It's like...a > > I too tried Eclipse and NetBeans and found them seriously flawed (on > the Mac platform at least) and I am using state of the art quad core > intel hardware. My beefs were not so much with performance, duh, but > with the heavy handed project paradigm in Eclipse and the bugginess of > NetBeans code completion. Both were show stoppers for me. > > Emacs is included in Leopard through the Terminal application, but you > might want to set up MacPorts and install the X version. There is a > PHP mode for Emacs, also available through MacPorts, that provides > some useful features for PHP development. > > On Jan 23, 6:01 am, leo wrote: > > > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > > properly. > > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > > be free. > > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
Emacs is the bomb. Free, cross-platform, extendable, and butters your toast. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that several other Mac applications respond to the same cursor movement keyboard shortcuts. It's like...a I too tried Eclipse and NetBeans and found them seriously flawed (on the Mac platform at least) and I am using state of the art quad core intel hardware. My beefs were not so much with performance, duh, but with the heavy handed project paradigm in Eclipse and the bugginess of NetBeans code completion. Both were show stoppers for me. Emacs is included in Leopard through the Terminal application, but you might want to set up MacPorts and install the X version. There is a PHP mode for Emacs, also available through MacPorts, that provides some useful features for PHP development. On Jan 23, 6:01 am, leo wrote: > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > properly. > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > be free. > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
Textmate may not be free, but it's less than $50 and is the best thing since sliced bread. On Jan 23, 8:53 pm, Webweave wrote: > What's your objection to NetBeans? If you're using it as a PHP editor > and it has all the code sense stuff like Komodo but seems to be more > stable to me. > > On Jan 23, 6:01 am, leo wrote: > > > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > > properly. > > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > > be free. > > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
What's your objection to NetBeans? If you're using it as a PHP editor and it has all the code sense stuff like Komodo but seems to be more stable to me. On Jan 23, 6:01 am, leo wrote: > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > properly. > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > be free. > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
Believe me the $50 for textmate is some of the best $50 I ever spent. But you are looking for a free, fast, good editor. Normally you only get to pick two. Perhaps you should checkout text wrangler. Its free and fast, and mostly good. -Mark On Jan 23, 10:41 am, leo wrote: > Thanks, but neither of them are free. > > On Jan 23, 3:57 pm, Henrique Machado wrote: > > >http://macromates.com/http://www.panic.com/coda/ > > > 2009/1/23 leo > > > > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > > > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > > > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > > > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > > > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > > > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > > > properly. > > > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > > > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > > > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > > > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > > > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > > > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > > > be free. > > > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
@ chad & esoteric - see my comments on Eclipse & Java! @ jacobs - thanks, I'm giving it a go. Shame about Komodo - it was easily the best I used on Windows. On Jan 23, 5:04 pm, jabocs wrote: > I just found something this morning... and plan on playing with it > this weekend... but MacRabbit, who made CSSEdit, is working on a HTML > editor called Espresso that has 'Sugars' or plugins and there is a PHP > sugar. Might be worth trying out. It's in a Beta mode right now, but > you can download and play around with it. > > http://www.macrabbit.com/espresso/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
I just found something this morning... and plan on playing with it this weekend... but MacRabbit, who made CSSEdit, is working on a HTML editor called Espresso that has 'Sugars' or plugins and there is a PHP sugar. Might be worth trying out. It's in a Beta mode right now, but you can download and play around with it. http://www.macrabbit.com/espresso/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
I have a friend that swears by jEdit since you are looking for free, but its a memory hog. Honest I really really suggestion spending the $60 for TextMate, is by far the best editor for OS X in existence and it is highly customizable too. -Erik On Jan 23, 9:01 am, leo wrote: > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > properly. > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > be free. > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
I use Eclipse for PHP. Chad On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Henrique Machado wrote: > Sorry about it > > 2009/1/23 leo > > >> Thanks, but neither of them are free. >> >> On Jan 23, 3:57 pm, Henrique Machado wrote: >> > http://macromates.com/http://www.panic.com/coda/ >> > >> > 2009/1/23 leo >> > >> > >> > >> > > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I >> > > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is >> > > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, >> > > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is >> > > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; >> > > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise >> > > properly. >> > >> > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, >> > > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and >> > > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). >> > >> > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or >> > > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it >> > > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have >> > > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must >> > > be free. >> > >> > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
Sorry about it 2009/1/23 leo > > Thanks, but neither of them are free. > > On Jan 23, 3:57 pm, Henrique Machado wrote: > > http://macromates.com/http://www.panic.com/coda/ > > > > 2009/1/23 leo > > > > > > > > > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > > > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > > > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > > > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > > > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > > > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > > > properly. > > > > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > > > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > > > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > > > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > > > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > > > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > > > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > > > be free. > > > > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
Thanks, but neither of them are free. On Jan 23, 3:57 pm, Henrique Machado wrote: > http://macromates.com/http://www.panic.com/coda/ > > 2009/1/23 leo > > > > > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > > properly. > > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > > be free. > > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which editor for Mac OS X?
http://macromates.com/ http://www.panic.com/coda/ 2009/1/23 leo > > Having spent months trying to find an adequate editor for Windows, I > eventually settled on Komodo. Now I'm working on a Mac and Komodo is > available, but version 5 is so slow it's unusable. I reverted to v4, > but while it is a little quicker it is also a little unstable. It is > still slow enough to be irritating - 2 seconds to switch tabs; > sometimes it doesn't load the plugins, sometimes it will not maximise > properly. > > Okay, I'm not using a cutting edge Intel Mac, I'm on a G4 / Leopard, > but it's still a reasonably powerful machine (it'll run Photoshop and > Illustrator simultaneously without grinding to a halt). > > Can anybody suggest a non-java based editor (I do not like Eclipse or > NetBeans or anything Java come to that)? I've tried Xcode, but it > seems really clunky and not at all geared to PHP. It needs to have > project handling like Komodo, code intelligence and above all, it must > be free. > > Maybe a Macport of Bluefish - anybody tried that? > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
