Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
Flash has always required some effort to implement, how exactly will adding a step to the embedding process affect their market position? Do you really think people will chose another format than Flash because they have to spend an extra 5 minutes to embed the movie? What's the alternative anyway, it's not just Flash that's affected by this ... everything will require the extra step so it seems like a moot point. I don't think it will make a difference in terms of how Flash evaluates against other technologies in the case of new development. However, people may well choose to stopping using Flash as opposed to making changes to their site to continue using it. For example, there are sites that make use of Flash, but not _javascript_. And BTW, the assertion that all technologies currently implemented as plug-ins will be affected is incorrect. Microsoft or any browser vendor for that matter, can choose to incorporate the technology directly into the browser instead of as a plug-in. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
Wouldn't removing the Flash and remaking the feature in HTML or _javascript_ or something else actually take MORE time than patching the object tag to work with their already functional Flash? I would imagine that the number of lazy folks out there who would stop using a technology rather than patch some code wouldn't add up to a significant number (and probably wouldn't be the customers that Macromedia wants in the first place). Think about it, one line of object code can embed an entire application, what's the likelihood you can recreate that functionality quicker than you can alter that line of code. As far as the browsers implementing the plug-ins as native technology, that's kind of unsettling to me. Knowing the browser vendors' propensity to half-way support even the W3C Standards, do we really want to open up that can of worms? There would be too many issues for that to be a reality. How would you implement Windows Media on a Linux version of Mozilla? You'd start to get even greater fragmentation between browser versions on different platforms, and features would be supported differently and behave differently from browser to browser, OS to OS. I think that the browser makers have enough to do just trying to fully support CSS2 and make their browsers work the same from platform to platform. Ideally browsers are very lightweight clients that are open enough to allow for new technologies to be implemented without having to alter the client. Otherwise you're going to start seeing new versions of browsers pushing 100mb because they support 19 different plugins natively. I'm looking forward to your DevX article, I'm interested to see your method of fixing this unfortunate issue. Please let us know when it's available! On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 02:11, Matt Liotta wrote: Flash has always required some effort to implement, how exactly will adding a step to the embedding process affect their market position? Do you really think people will chose another format than Flash because they have to spend an extra 5 minutes to embed the movie? What's the alternative anyway, it's not just Flash that's affected by this ... everything will require the extra step so it seems like a moot point. I don't think it will make a difference in terms of how Flash evaluates against other technologies in the case of new development. However, people may well choose to stopping using Flash as opposed to making changes to their site to continue using it. For example, there are sites that make use of Flash, but not _javascript_. And BTW, the assertion that all technologies currently implemented as plug-ins will be affected is incorrect. Microsoft or any browser vendor for that matter, can choose to incorporate the technology directly into the browser instead of as a plug-in. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
More weird stuff with scheduled tasks in CFMX (not 6.1)
Hi all, A while back I asked the list as to why a job would run on the wrong date. I tried all the suggestions, but nothing worked. So, I put an end date of Oct 2, 2003 on the original job and created a whole new one.Today the job with the end date ran today!Is there some kind of error in MX that it ignores the end date? I had originally wanted to keep the old job around for reference, but now it looks like I will have to delete it to keep it from running. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
OT: select dropdown
Hi, Is it possible to change the look of a dropdown selection? I want to get rid of the shaded outline. Can it be down with CSS? If so, what are the style changes? select name=dd style= option.. option.. option.. option.. /select [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: select dropdown
Start here... http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html -Original Message- From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: select dropdown Hi, Is it possible to change the look of a dropdown selection? I want to get rid of the shaded outline. Can it be down with CSS? If so, what are the style changes? select name=dd style= option.. option.. option.. option.. /select _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
JAVA 1.4 vs CFMX Java
I know I can swap out which Java to use, but is it better to use the latest version (for speed's sake not so much compatibility) as opposed to the version that comes with CFMX. Just curious if I can get a little more juice out of CFMX. Bob Everland [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: select dropdown
Thanks. I've been messing with the CSS using TopStyle. I just can't seem to get the bevel look of the select dropdown to just a solid black line. I have no problem with my input box. Just can't get the select Can it be modified? --Original Message Text--- From: Tangorre, Michael Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:06:55 -0400 Start here... http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html -Original Message- From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: select dropdown Hi, Is it possible to change the look of a dropdown selection? I want to get rid of the shaded outline. Can it be down with CSS? If so, what are the style changes? select name=dd style= option.. option.. option.. option.. /select _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: select dropdown
Thanks. I've been messing with the CSS using TopStyle. I just can't seem to get the bevel look of the select dropdown to just a solid black line. I have no problem with my input box. Just can't get the select Can it be modified? --Original Message Text--- From: Tangorre, Michael Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:06:55 -0400 Start here... http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html -Original Message- From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: select dropdown Hi, Is it possible to change the look of a dropdown selection? I want to get rid of the shaded outline. Can it be down with CSS? If so, what are the style changes? select name=dd style= option.. option.. option.. option.. /select _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Strange CFLOGIN issue with timeouts for one user
the custom tag is included in the application.cfm of every secure section. I also added a cfmail to the custom tag to be sure that the section is running. -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Strange CFLOGIN issue with timeouts for one user Just to be sure - your cflogin is being run every request, right? I noticed your code made use of attributes - which leads me to believe it's in a custom tag. If so, are you sure the tag is _always_ run? _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
Wouldn't removing the Flash and remaking the feature in HTML or _javascript_ or something else actually take MORE time than patching the object tag to work with their already functional Flash? I would imagine that the number of lazy folks out there who would stop using a technology rather than patch some code wouldn't add up to a significant number (and probably wouldn't be the customers that Macromedia wants in the first place). Think about it, one line of object code can embed an entire application, what's the likelihood you can recreate that functionality quicker than you can alter that line of code. I didn't suggest it had anything to do with Laziness. Again, there are sites that currently make use of Flash, but not _javascript_. If they are required to start using _javascript_ they well decide not to use Flash. Remember that just because using _javascript_ is no big deal to you doesn't mean there aren't company who have internal directives not to use it for their web site for whatever reason. As far as the browsers implementing the plug-ins as native technology, that's kind of unsettling to me. Knowing the browser vendors' propensity to half-way support even the W3C Standards, do we really want to open up that can of worms? There would be too many issues for that to be a reality. How would you implement Windows Media on a Linux version of Mozilla? You'd start to get even greater fragmentation between browser versions on different platforms, and features would be supported differently and behave differently from browser to browser, OS to OS. I think that the browser makers have enough to do just trying to fully support CSS2 and make their browsers work the same from platform to platform. I wasn't suggesting that Mozilla would embed Windows Media on Linux. I was however suggesting that Microsoft can embed Windows Media directly into IE to solve the problem. In fact, if they did that and provided an alternative to Flash they could lock out their competitors without being anti-competitive. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: select dropdown
that's cause select's arent the same as the other form elements.they are controlled by windows, not css when it come to the structure of them.now, you can edit font properties, but that's about all ive been able to figure out how to modify. ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: select dropdown Thanks. I've been messing with the CSS using TopStyle. I just can't seem to get the bevel look of the select dropdown to just a solid black line. I have no problem with my input box. Just can't get the select Can it be modified? --Original Message Text--- From: Tangorre, Michael Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:06:55 -0400 Start here... http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html -Original Message- From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: select dropdown Hi, Is it possible to change the look of a dropdown selection? I want to get rid of the shaded outline. Can it be down with CSS? If so, what are the style changes? select name=dd style= option.. option.. option.. option.. /select _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: select dropdown
Well...that sucks. Thanks --Original Message Text--- From: Tony Weeg Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:55:36 -0400 that's cause select's arent the same as the other form elements.they are controlled by windows, not css when it come to the structure of them.now, you can edit font properties, but that's about all ive been able to figure out how to modify. ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: select dropdown Thanks. I've been messing with the CSS using TopStyle. I just can't seem to get the bevel look of the select dropdown to just a solid black line. I have no problem with my input box. Just can't get the select Can it be modified? --Original Message Text--- From: Tangorre, Michael Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:06:55 -0400 Start here... http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html -Original Message- From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: select dropdown Hi, Is it possible to change the look of a dropdown selection? I want to get rid of the shaded outline. Can it be down with CSS? If so, what are the style changes? select name=dd style= option.. option.. option.. option.. /select _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: select dropdown
Select.className{
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
color : #00;
font-weight: normal;
background: #FF;
scrollbar-base-color:White;
scrollbar-face-color:577C9E;
scrollbar-shadow-color:#E5DFBF;
scrollbar-highlight-color:#E5DFBF;
scrollbar-3dlight-color:#336699;
scrollbar-darkshadow-color:DarkBlue;
scrollbar-track-color:#E5DFBF;
scrollbar-arrow-color:#E5DFBF;
}
-Original Message-
From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:05 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: select dropdown
Well...that sucks.
Thanks
--Original Message Text---
From: Tony Weeg
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:55:36 -0400
that's cause select's arent the same as the other form elements.they are
controlled by windows, not css when it come to the structure of them.now,
you can edit font properties, but that's about all ive been able to figure
out how to modify.
...tony
tony weeg
senior web applications architect
navtrak, inc.
www.navtrak.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
410.548.2337
-Original Message-
From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: select dropdown
Thanks.
I've been messing with the CSS using TopStyle. I just can't seem to get the
bevel look of the select dropdown to just a solid black line.
I have no problem with my input box. Just can't get the select
Can it be modified?
--Original Message Text---
From: Tangorre, Michael
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:06:55 -0400
Start here...
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html
-Original Message-
From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: select dropdown
Hi,
Is it possible to change the look of a dropdown selection? I want to get rid
of the shaded outline. Can it be down with CSS?
If so, what are the style changes?
select name=dd style=
option..
option..
option..
option..
/select
_
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RE: select dropdown
BUT NOT THE BORDER, like he was originally asking :)
...tony
tony weeg
senior web applications architect
navtrak, inc.
www.navtrak.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
410.548.2337
-Original Message-
From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: select dropdown
Select.className{
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
color : #00;
font-weight: normal;
background: #FF;
scrollbar-base-color:White;
scrollbar-face-color:577C9E;
scrollbar-shadow-color:#E5DFBF;
scrollbar-highlight-color:#E5DFBF;
scrollbar-3dlight-color:#336699;
scrollbar-darkshadow-color:DarkBlue;
scrollbar-track-color:#E5DFBF;
scrollbar-arrow-color:#E5DFBF;
}
-Original Message-
From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:05 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: select dropdown
Well...that sucks.
Thanks
--Original Message Text---
From: Tony Weeg
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:55:36 -0400
that's cause select's arent the same as the other form elements.they are
controlled by windows, not css when it come to the structure of them.now,
you can edit font properties, but that's about all ive been able to figure
out how to modify.
...tony
tony weeg
senior web applications architect
navtrak, inc.
www.navtrak.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
410.548.2337
-Original Message-
From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: select dropdown
Thanks.
I've been messing with the CSS using TopStyle. I just can't seem to get the
bevel look of the select dropdown to just a solid black line.
I have no problem with my input box. Just can't get the select
Can it be modified?
--Original Message Text---
From: Tangorre, Michael
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:06:55 -0400
Start here...
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html
-Original Message-
From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: select dropdown
Hi,
Is it possible to change the look of a dropdown selection? I want to get rid
of the shaded outline. Can it be down with CSS?
If so, what are the style changes?
select name=dd style=
option..
option..
option..
option..
/select
_
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RE: select dropdown
I hear ya! I was just pointing out that your comment about only accessing
font properties was not correct. :-)
-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:25 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: select dropdown
BUT NOT THE BORDER, like he was originally asking :)
...tony
tony weeg
senior web applications architect
navtrak, inc.
www.navtrak.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
410.548.2337
-Original Message-
From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: select dropdown
Select.className{
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
color : #00;
font-weight: normal;
background: #FF;
scrollbar-base-color:White;
scrollbar-face-color:577C9E;
scrollbar-shadow-color:#E5DFBF;
scrollbar-highlight-color:#E5DFBF;
scrollbar-3dlight-color:#336699;
scrollbar-darkshadow-color:DarkBlue;
scrollbar-track-color:#E5DFBF;
scrollbar-arrow-color:#E5DFBF;
}
-Original Message-
From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:05 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: select dropdown
Well...that sucks.
Thanks
--Original Message Text---
From: Tony Weeg
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:55:36 -0400
that's cause select's arent the same as the other form elements.they are
controlled by windows, not css when it come to the structure of them.now,
you can edit font properties, but that's about all ive been able to figure
out how to modify.
...tony
tony weeg
senior web applications architect
navtrak, inc.
www.navtrak.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
410.548.2337
-Original Message-
From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: select dropdown
Thanks.
I've been messing with the CSS using TopStyle. I just can't seem to get the
bevel look of the select dropdown to just a solid black line.
I have no problem with my input box. Just can't get the select
Can it be modified?
--Original Message Text---
From: Tangorre, Michael
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:06:55 -0400
Start here...
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/css_forms.html
-Original Message-
From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: select dropdown
Hi,
Is it possible to change the look of a dropdown selection? I want to get rid
of the shaded outline. Can it be down with CSS?
If so, what are the style changes?
select name=dd style=
option..
option..
option..
option..
/select
_
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Adobe PDF to text converter
Does anyone know of any programs that can run in Unix and will convert a PDF into a text file?You can do this through the Adobe PDF program and I found some windows based programs that look like they do this as well.So far, I haven't seen any non-GUI programs that will do this. Thanks in advance. Steve Robison [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Adobe PDF to text converter
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Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
If you listen carefully, you can hear the sound of my hand slapping my head.I sound like a Merril Lynch analyst. - Jim Ryan Roskilly wrote: Net revenues for the three months ended September 30, 2003 were $89.9 million, compared with net revenues of $85.9 million reported in the comparable period a year ago It was 9.8 in net income for the quarter. http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.asp?Symbol=US:MACRFeed=BWD http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.asp?Symbol=US:MACRFeed=BWD ate=20031022ID=2984685 -Original Message- From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news $9.8 million in revenues?That's really low. - Jim Ricky Fritzsching wrote: http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5095653.html?tag=nefd_top --- Ricky Fritzsching [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
I didn't suggest it had anything to do with Laziness. Again, there are sites that currently make use of Flash, but not _javascript_. If they are required to start using _javascript_ they well decide not to use Flash. Remember that just because using _javascript_ is no big deal to you doesn't mean there aren't company who have internal directives not to use it for their web site for whatever reason. An example of this is any site that wants to be accessible following WAI guidelines. According to the Web Content Accessiblity Guidelines, a site must still function with _javascript_ turned off at the browser. The same guidelines don't preclude the use of Flash though. It only requires that an equivalent non-embedded media experience be offered. IMO, if it's not drag-drop easy then it's too much work for most developers. Add the development time of a Flash project, the Eolas patent and subsequent workaround time, and the issue of accessibility which many sites are required by law to follow, and I think MM's P/E ratio being predicated on Flash may be overoptimistic. OTOH, I'm still excited about the remoting sessions I'll be attending at MAX. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Macromedia sinks on sales news
IMHO, it still doesn't preclude. Flash isn't really accessible (unless you are running Windows, and Window-Eyes and still things are totally accessible). So if _javascript_ is turned off, Flash isn't running anyways and the alternative comes up. script src=""> noscript Call a meta refresh or have a link to the accessible alternative./noscript /script In reality that more fits in with an accessible site than automatically launches a plugin. _ From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news I didn't suggest it had anything to do with Laziness. Again, there are sites that currently make use of Flash, but not _javascript_. If they are required to start using _javascript_ they well decide not to use Flash. Remember that just because using _javascript_ is no big deal to you doesn't mean there aren't company who have internal directives not to use it for their web site for whatever reason. An example of this is any site that wants to be accessible following WAI guidelines. According to the Web Content Accessiblity Guidelines, a site must still function with _javascript_ turned off at the browser. The same guidelines don't preclude the use of Flash though. It only requires that an equivalent non-embedded media experience be offered. IMO, if it's not drag-drop easy then it's too much work for most developers. Add the development time of a Flash project, the Eolas patent and subsequent workaround time, and the issue of accessibility which many sites are required by law to follow, and I think MM's P/E ratio being predicated on Flash may be overoptimistic. OTOH, I'm still excited about the remoting sessions I'll be attending at MAX. -Kevin _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Strange CFLOGIN issue with timeouts for one user
Ok, lets get anal. Is there anyway you can send me your Application.cfm and your login custom tag? It's probably a bit much to post here I'm assuming. I'll take a look and post any thoughts here. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Web Reports
Not to sound like I am plugging for Statistex, I am not, but it was created for handling Dynamic URLS and at $60 it is a good product. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Dynamic page tracking is a must.Banner or advertising reporting is a big plus. Emmet -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Anything specific you looking for in the reports? Also, if you use dynamically created URLs be careful, some stats programs have trouble recording them. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 x105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Join us at the 2003 Macromedia MAX November 18-21, 2003 Salt Lake City, Utah http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/conference/ Stop by Booth 213 to meet our staff and to discuss the many exciting events happening at CFXHosting. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Web Reports I need to buy a new reports application.Anyone have any good suggestions? Anything but webtrends. Emmet _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Web Reports
Yeah after viewing Statistex's evaluation version within a shared hosting environment, looks like I will purchase that one to use on my personal site as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/24/03 10:07AM Not to sound like I am plugging for Statistex, I am not, but it was created for handling Dynamic URLS and at $60 it is a good product. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Dynamic page tracking is a must.Banner or advertising reporting is a big plus. Emmet -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Anything specific you looking for in the reports? Also, if you use dynamically created URLs be careful, some stats programs have trouble recording them. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 x105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Join us at the 2003 Macromedia MAX November 18-21, 2003 Salt Lake City, Utah http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/conference/ Stop by Booth 213 to meet our staff and to discuss the many exciting events happening at CFXHosting. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Web Reports I need to buy a new reports application.Anyone have any good suggestions? Anything but webtrends. Emmet _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Web Reports
The evaluation pales compared to the full version. Easy to install and easier to use. -Original Message- From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Yeah after viewing Statistex's evaluation version within a shared hosting environment, looks like I will purchase that one to use on my personal site as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/24/03 10:07AM Not to sound like I am plugging for Statistex, I am not, but it was created for handling Dynamic URLS and at $60 it is a good product. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Dynamic page tracking is a must.Banner or advertising reporting is a big plus. Emmet -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Anything specific you looking for in the reports? Also, if you use dynamically created URLs be careful, some stats programs have trouble recording them. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 x105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Join us at the 2003 Macromedia MAX November 18-21, 2003 Salt Lake City, Utah http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/conference/ Stop by Booth 213 to meet our staff and to discuss the many exciting events happening at CFXHosting. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Web Reports I need to buy a new reports application.Anyone have any good suggestions? Anything but webtrends. Emmet _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Web Reports
So are you saying the full version is easier to use than the eval version? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/24/03 10:25AM The evaluation pales compared to the full version. Easy to install and easier to use. -Original Message- From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Yeah after viewing Statistex's evaluation version within a shared hosting environment, looks like I will purchase that one to use on my personal site as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/24/03 10:07AM Not to sound like I am plugging for Statistex, I am not, but it was created for handling Dynamic URLS and at $60 it is a good product. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Dynamic page tracking is a must.Banner or advertising reporting is a big plus. Emmet -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Anything specific you looking for in the reports? Also, if you use dynamically created URLs be careful, some stats programs have trouble recording them. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 x105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Join us at the 2003 Macromedia MAX November 18-21, 2003 Salt Lake City, Utah http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/conference/ Stop by Booth 213 to meet our staff and to discuss the many exciting events happening at CFXHosting. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Web Reports I need to buy a new reports application.Anyone have any good suggestions? Anything but webtrends. Emmet _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Web Reports
I came across www.funnelwebcentral.com from a very similar thread on here literally just last week. Its free and handles query_strings. Its a bit quirky in places, but it outputs great reports Stephen Eric Creese wrote: The evaluation pales compared to the full version. Easy to install and easier to use. -Original Message- From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Yeah after viewing Statistex's evaluation version within a shared hosting environment, looks like I will purchase that one to use on my personal site as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/24/03 10:07AM Not to sound like I am plugging for Statistex, I am not, but it was created for handling Dynamic URLS and at $60 it is a good product. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Dynamic page tracking is a must.Banner or advertising reporting is a big plus. Emmet -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Anything specific you looking for in the reports? Also, if you use dynamically created URLs be careful, some stats programs have trouble recording them. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 x105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Join us at the 2003 Macromedia MAX November 18-21, 2003 Salt Lake City, Utah http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/conference/ Stop by Booth 213 to meet our staff and to discuss the many exciting events happening at CFXHosting. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Web Reports I need to buy a new reports application.Anyone have any good suggestions? Anything but webtrends. Emmet _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Web Reports
Just as easy, the eval does not let you configure and use the full functionality.I am trying to get them to use it at the non-profit I work instead of WEBTRENDS. But I use it for my side web biz now. Clients like it as well. -Original Message- From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports So are you saying the full version is easier to use than the eval version? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/24/03 10:25AM The evaluation pales compared to the full version. Easy to install and easier to use. -Original Message- From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Yeah after viewing Statistex's evaluation version within a shared hosting environment, looks like I will purchase that one to use on my personal site as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/24/03 10:07AM Not to sound like I am plugging for Statistex, I am not, but it was created for handling Dynamic URLS and at $60 it is a good product. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Dynamic page tracking is a must.Banner or advertising reporting is a big plus. Emmet -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Anything specific you looking for in the reports? Also, if you use dynamically created URLs be careful, some stats programs have trouble recording them. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 x105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Join us at the 2003 Macromedia MAX November 18-21, 2003 Salt Lake City, Utah http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/conference/ Stop by Booth 213 to meet our staff and to discuss the many exciting events happening at CFXHosting. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Web Reports I need to buy a new reports application.Anyone have any good suggestions? Anything but webtrends. Emmet _ _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Web Reports
Try the Statistex if you have not already. I think you will like it. -Original Message- From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Web Reports I came across www.funnelwebcentral.com from a very similar thread on here literally just last week. Its free and handles query_strings. Its a bit quirky in places, but it outputs great reports Stephen Eric Creese wrote: The evaluation pales compared to the full version. Easy to install and easier to use. -Original Message- From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Yeah after viewing Statistex's evaluation version within a shared hosting environment, looks like I will purchase that one to use on my personal site as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/24/03 10:07AM Not to sound like I am plugging for Statistex, I am not, but it was created for handling Dynamic URLS and at $60 it is a good product. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Dynamic page tracking is a must.Banner or advertising reporting is a big plus. Emmet -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Anything specific you looking for in the reports? Also, if you use dynamically created URLs be careful, some stats programs have trouble recording them. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 x105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Join us at the 2003 Macromedia MAX November 18-21, 2003 Salt Lake City, Utah http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/conference/ Stop by Booth 213 to meet our staff and to discuss the many exciting events happening at CFXHosting. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Web Reports I need to buy a new reports application.Anyone have any good suggestions? Anything but webtrends. Emmet _ _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Web Reports
I'm researching stats programs for a client and his log files are HUGE. They have had about 5 million so far this month. I'm having trouble finding a stats package that can handle them -Original Message- From: Eric Creese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Try the Statistex if you have not already. I think you will like it. -Original Message- From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Web Reports I came across www.funnelwebcentral.com from a very similar thread on here literally just last week. Its free and handles query_strings. Its a bit quirky in places, but it outputs great reports Stephen Eric Creese wrote: The evaluation pales compared to the full version. Easy to install and easier to use. -Original Message- From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Yeah after viewing Statistex's evaluation version within a shared hosting environment, looks like I will purchase that one to use on my personal site as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/24/03 10:07AM Not to sound like I am plugging for Statistex, I am not, but it was created for handling Dynamic URLS and at $60 it is a good product. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Dynamic page tracking is a must.Banner or advertising reporting is a big plus. Emmet -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Anything specific you looking for in the reports? Also, if you use dynamically created URLs be careful, some stats programs have trouble recording them. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 x105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Join us at the 2003 Macromedia MAX November 18-21, 2003 Salt Lake City, Utah http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/conference/ Stop by Booth 213 to meet our staff and to discuss the many exciting events happening at CFXHosting. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Web Reports I need to buy a new reports application.Anyone have any good suggestions? Anything but webtrends. Emmet _ _ _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 09:53 AM, Kevin Graeme wrote: An example of this is any site that wants to be accessible following WAI guidelines. According to the Web Content Accessiblity Guidelines, a site must still function with _javascript_ turned off at the browser. Keep in mind that Flash still works when embedded the old way.The user simply has to click OK when prompted before the Flash loads. Therefore, if you use the _javascript_ solution to cover the huge majority of your visitors, you can place your OBJECT and EMBED tags in a NOSCRIPT tag to cover the few who, for whatever reason, have _javascript_ turned off. Christian [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Web Reports
You also might want to check out www.indextools.com I use them because of the of the individual user path information and sales conversion tracking for products.Plus the it's not based on searching Log files so it much more accurate in determining the correct number of visitors, page viewsetc.It uses _javascript_ to tag the pages and then stores the information.The price is determined by the monthly page views and I think it starts out at like 49.95/month.I've used a number of different tracking tools and found this one to be one of the best for the price. Matt Blatchley Bridgeleaf Studios www.bridgeleaf.com -Original Message- From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Web Reports I came across www.funnelwebcentral.com from a very similar thread on here literally just last week. Its free and handles query_strings. Its a bit quirky in places, but it outputs great reports Stephen Eric Creese wrote: The evaluation pales compared to the full version. Easy to install and easier to use. -Original Message- From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Yeah after viewing Statistex's evaluation version within a shared hosting environment, looks like I will purchase that one to use on my personal site as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/24/03 10:07AM Not to sound like I am plugging for Statistex, I am not, but it was created for handling Dynamic URLS and at $60 it is a good product. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Dynamic page tracking is a must.Banner or advertising reporting is a big plus. Emmet -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Reports Anything specific you looking for in the reports? Also, if you use dynamically created URLs be careful, some stats programs have trouble recording them. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 x105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Join us at the 2003 Macromedia MAX November 18-21, 2003 Salt Lake City, Utah http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/conference/ Stop by Booth 213 to meet our staff and to discuss the many exciting events happening at CFXHosting. -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Web Reports I need to buy a new reports application.Anyone have any good suggestions? Anything but webtrends. Emmet _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Macromedia sinks on sales news
I still think Eolas is an ass. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news Wouldn't removing the Flash and remaking the feature in HTML or _javascript_ or something else actually take MORE time than patching the object tag to work with their already functional Flash? I would imagine that the number of lazy folks out there who would stop using a technology rather than patch some code wouldn't add up to a significant number (and probably wouldn't be the customers that Macromedia wants in the first place). Think about it, one line of object code can embed an entire application, what's the likelihood you can recreate that functionality quicker than you can alter that line of code. I didn't suggest it had anything to do with Laziness. Again, there are sites that currently make use of Flash, but not _javascript_. If they are required to start using _javascript_ they well decide not to use Flash. Remember that just because using _javascript_ is no big deal to you doesn't mean there aren't company who have internal directives not to use it for their web site for whatever reason. As far as the browsers implementing the plug-ins as native technology, that's kind of unsettling to me. Knowing the browser vendors' propensity to half-way support even the W3C Standards, do we really want to open up that can of worms? There would be too many issues for that to be a reality. How would you implement Windows Media on a Linux version of Mozilla? You'd start to get even greater fragmentation between browser versions on different platforms, and features would be supported differently and behave differently from browser to browser, OS to OS. I think that the browser makers have enough to do just trying to fully support CSS2 and make their browsers work the same from platform to platform. I wasn't suggesting that Mozilla would embed Windows Media on Linux. I was however suggesting that Microsoft can embed Windows Media directly into IE to solve the problem. In fact, if they did that and provided an alternative to Flash they could lock out their competitors without being anti-competitive. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 01:04 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: I have an article that will be published by DevX real soon now that IMHO provides a much better solution than what is currently provided at DevNet. Since I haven't seen this particular solution, I cannot comment on it directly, however I will say that Macromedia's solution was created in close collaboration with Microsoft and is implemented in a very specific way for very specific reasons (we will be releasing more information on this shortly).In other words, there are all kinds of solutions out there that are smaller and may seem more elegant, however Macromedia believes the solutions that we have provided and will continue to provide are the safest choice for Flash developers.From the Active Content FAQ: Q: Why did Macromedia choose this technical solution? Are others possible? A: Macromedia has worked closely with Microsoft; we have created solutions that are based on information provided to us by Microsoft about how the future browser version will work. While other solutions are possible, we feel confident that the solution presented here is the most generally applicable and useful to a large audience. Christian [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Deleting file after e-mailing it
I'm working on a part of an application where I need to create a temporary Excel file and e-mail it to a specific user. I've got that working, but since these are temporary files, I obviously don't want them cluttering up the server and taking up space.I thought I could just delete the file after the cfmail tag, but it would appear that CF doesn't embed the file in the mail until it's spooled.(I get a mail log error that the attachment file doesn't exist. Commenting out the file deletion allows the mail to be sent.) I'm using cfmailparam to attach the file, rather than the mimeattach attribute. Aside from using a scheduled task to periodically run through and delete all of the temporary files, is there another option I'm overlooking? (I'll do the scheduled task if I have to, but changing any server setting is a bureaucratic nightmare sometimes.) Thanks. Scott --- Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
Good point. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Sandy Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:57 AM Subject: RE: Macromedia sinks on sales news IMHO, it still doesn't preclude. Flash isn't really accessible (unless you are running Windows, and Window-Eyes and still things are totally accessible). So if _javascript_ is turned off, Flash isn't running anyways and the alternative comes up. script src=""> noscript Call a meta refresh or have a link to the accessible alternative./noscript /script In reality that more fits in with an accessible site than automatically launches a plugin. _ From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news I didn't suggest it had anything to do with Laziness. Again, there are sites that currently make use of Flash, but not _javascript_. If they are required to start using _javascript_ they well decide not to use Flash. Remember that just because using _javascript_ is no big deal to you doesn't mean there aren't company who have internal directives not to use it for their web site for whatever reason. An example of this is any site that wants to be accessible following WAI guidelines. According to the Web Content Accessiblity Guidelines, a site must still function with _javascript_ turned off at the browser. The same guidelines don't preclude the use of Flash though. It only requires that an equivalent non-embedded media experience be offered. IMO, if it's not drag-drop easy then it's too much work for most developers. Add the development time of a Flash project, the Eolas patent and subsequent workaround time, and the issue of accessibility which many sites are required by law to follow, and I think MM's P/E ratio being predicated on Flash may be overoptimistic. OTOH, I'm still excited about the remoting sessions I'll be attending at MAX. -Kevin _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Deleting file after e-mailing it
spoolenable = no :) that is if u are using cfmx? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Scott Brady [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Deleting file after e-mailing it I'm working on a part of an application where I need to create a temporary Excel file and e-mail it to a specific user. I've got that working, but since these are temporary files, I obviously don't want them cluttering up the server and taking up space.I thought I could just delete the file after the cfmail tag, but it would appear that CF doesn't embed the file in the mail until it's spooled.(I get a mail log error that the attachment file doesn't exist. Commenting out the file deletion allows the mail to be sent.) I'm using cfmailparam to attach the file, rather than the mimeattach attribute. Aside from using a scheduled task to periodically run through and delete all of the temporary files, is there another option I'm overlooking? (I'll do the scheduled task if I have to, but changing any server setting is a bureaucratic nightmare sometimes.) Thanks. Scott --- Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Deleting file after e-mailing it
that is, use it in the cfmail tag as an attribute. ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Deleting file after e-mailing it spoolenable = no :) that is if u are using cfmx? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Scott Brady [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Deleting file after e-mailing it I'm working on a part of an application where I need to create a temporary Excel file and e-mail it to a specific user. I've got that working, but since these are temporary files, I obviously don't want them cluttering up the server and taking up space.I thought I could just delete the file after the cfmail tag, but it would appear that CF doesn't embed the file in the mail until it's spooled.(I get a mail log error that the attachment file doesn't exist. Commenting out the file deletion allows the mail to be sent.) I'm using cfmailparam to attach the file, rather than the mimeattach attribute. Aside from using a scheduled task to periodically run through and delete all of the temporary files, is there another option I'm overlooking? (I'll do the scheduled task if I have to, but changing any server setting is a bureaucratic nightmare sometimes.) Thanks. Scott --- Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Deleting file after e-mailing it
You could always run a delete script to delete all temp files older than say, 1 hour, every time you create a new email, should do the trick with only a little extra load. -Original Message- From: Scott Brady [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2003 16:06 To: CF-Talk Subject: Deleting file after e-mailing it I'm working on a part of an application where I need to create a temporary Excel file and e-mail it to a specific user. I've got that working, but since these are temporary files, I obviously don't want them cluttering up the server and taking up space. I thought I could just delete the file after the cfmail tag, but it would appear that CF doesn't embed the file in the mail until it's spooled.(I get a mail log error that the attachment file doesn't exist. Commenting out the file deletion allows the mail to be sent.) I'm using cfmailparam to attach the file, rather than the mimeattach attribute. Aside from using a scheduled task to periodically run through and delete all of the temporary files, is there another option I'm overlooking? (I'll do the scheduled task if I have to, but changing any server setting is a bureaucratic nightmare sometimes.) Thanks. Scott --- Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Deleting file after e-mailing it
no need. spoolenable = no does the trick ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Deleting file after e-mailing it You could always run a delete script to delete all temp files older than say, 1 hour, every time you create a new email, should do the trick with only a little extra load. -Original Message- From: Scott Brady [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2003 16:06 To: CF-Talk Subject: Deleting file after e-mailing it I'm working on a part of an application where I need to create a temporary Excel file and e-mail it to a specific user. I've got that working, but since these are temporary files, I obviously don't want them cluttering up the server and taking up space. I thought I could just delete the file after the cfmail tag, but it would appear that CF doesn't embed the file in the mail until it's spooled.(I get a mail log error that the attachment file doesn't exist. Commenting out the file deletion allows the mail to be sent.) I'm using cfmailparam to attach the file, rather than the mimeattach attribute. Aside from using a scheduled task to periodically run through and delete all of the temporary files, is there another option I'm overlooking? (I'll do the scheduled task if I have to, but changing any server setting is a bureaucratic nightmare sometimes.) Thanks. Scott --- Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Deleting file after e-mailing it
Original Message: From: Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoolenable = no Well, that was nice and easy. Thanks! (I just had this computer re-imaged and haven't put the CFMX-specific help/VTML files into CF Studio yet, so I didn't even think to look for new attributes from CFMX.) Scott --- Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Deleting file after e-mailing it
If you turn off the mail spooler in the CF admin it'll work fine...if ur doing very high volume mailings (like 1000's per hour)then you may have to look at deleting them every so often. Stace _ From: Scott Brady [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2003 11:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Deleting file after e-mailing it I'm working on a part of an application where I need to create a temporary Excel file and e-mail it to a specific user. I've got that working, but since these are temporary files, I obviously don't want them cluttering up the server and taking up space.I thought I could just delete the file after the cfmail tag, but it would appear that CF doesn't embed the file in the mail until it's spooled.(I get a mail log error that the attachment file doesn't exist. Commenting out the file deletion allows the mail to be sent.) I'm using cfmailparam to attach the file, rather than the mimeattach attribute. Aside from using a scheduled task to periodically run through and delete all of the temporary files, is there another option I'm overlooking? (I'll do the scheduled task if I have to, but changing any server setting is a bureaucratic nightmare sometimes.) Thanks. Scott --- Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Macromedia sinks on sales news
Matt, When will the article appear?I am interested in seeing all the other solutions that are available for use. Thanks Mario -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news The upcoming changes in Internet Explorer have been successfully addressed.Macromedia is very confident in our recommended solution. I have an article that will be published by DevX real soon now that IMHO provides a much better solution than what is currently provided at DevNet. However, any amount of effort on a developer's part no matter how small will affect Flash's market position. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
On Friday 24 Oct 2003 16:28 pm, Ciliotta, Mario wrote: When will the article appear?I am interested in seeing all the other solutions that are available for use. Why ? Macromedia/MS have said this is the way it will work - you can bet that shortly when you drop Flash into Dreamweaver, it will use this style of code. What's the point of going off doing you're own think, with no gurantee it'll (continue) to work ? I may not trust MS, but I do trust Macromedia... -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
I still think Eolas is an ass. This is now off topic, but I find it interesting that people consider Eolas to some how be evil when every other software company has patents they enforce too. What specifically is your problem with Eolas? They have offered to license their patent to Microsoft, so they are certainly playing fair. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
I have a meeting at Microsoft's PDC on Monday that will determine the publish date, so I won't know till then. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
Thomas Chiverton wrote: On Friday 24 Oct 2003 16:28 pm, Ciliotta, Mario wrote: When will the article appear?I am interested in seeing all the other solutions that are available for use. Why ? Macromedia/MS have said this is the way it will work - you can bet that shortly when you drop Flash into Dreamweaver, it will use this style of code. What's the point of going off doing you're own think, with no gurantee it'll (continue) to work ? I may not trust MS, but I do trust Macromedia... Some of us need solutions that are XHTML compliant. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
I think the problem is that we have all gone down a road, so far so long, and now they have dipped their finger in a still pool, one that we all loved to swim in, cause we thought we were swimming the right way, now we have to switch gears and adapt practices and methods that have been ingrained in our methodologies for quite some time now.had this happened 8 years ago or so, probably wouldn't be that big of a deal... like when a man marries a woman, and then 10 years later he decides to tell her he is gay, its just effed up. that's all. ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) I still think Eolas is an ass. This is now off topic, but I find it interesting that people consider Eolas to some how be evil when every other software company has patents they enforce too. What specifically is your problem with Eolas? They have offered to license their patent to Microsoft, so they are certainly playing fair. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
Why ? Macromedia/MS have said this is the way it will work - you can bet that shortly when you drop Flash into Dreamweaver, it will use this style of code. What's the point of going off doing you're own think, with no gurantee it'll (continue) to work ? I may not trust MS, but I do trust Macromedia... While that is certainly one perspective, I find it perplexing. Why would you assume that another solution would not be of interest? I say always evaluate all your options and then make a decision based on the data you collected. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
hahahahahahahahahaaa... like the analogy! -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2003 16:42 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) I think the problem is that we have all gone down a road, so far so long, and now they have dipped their finger in a still pool, one that we all loved to swim in, cause we thought we were swimming the right way, now we have to switch gears and adapt practices and methods that have been ingrained in our methodologies for quite some time now.had this happened 8 years ago or so, probably wouldn't be that big of a deal... like when a man marries a woman, and then 10 years later he decides to tell her he is gay, its just effed up. that's all. ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) I still think Eolas is an ass. This is now off topic, but I find it interesting that people consider Eolas to some how be evil when every other software company has patents they enforce too. What specifically is your problem with Eolas? They have offered to license their patent to Microsoft, so they are certainly playing fair. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
On Friday 24 Oct 2003 16:41 pm, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Some of us need solutions that are XHTML compliant. Does XHTML not allow _javascript_ tags or something ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
On Friday 24 Oct 2003 16:38 pm, Matt Liotta wrote: certainly playing fair. If they were only concerned with their IP rights, they'd have sued years ago, and would currently be sueing more than just Microsoft. As it is, it looks to me like a money grab. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
Thomas Chiverton wrote: On Friday 24 Oct 2003 16:41 pm, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Some of us need solutions that are XHTML compliant. Does XHTML not allow _javascript_ tags or something ? It does not allow solutions that use embed. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
On Friday 24 Oct 2003 16:42 pm, Matt Liotta wrote: While that is certainly one perspective, I find it perplexing. Why would you assume that another solution would not be of interest? I haven't yet seen any other method that has the blessing of the people rewriting the effected web browser, and the people who write the most popular reason people are embeding stuff in web pages to begin with. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
what an analogy... it is Friday. You win best email of the day. -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) I think the problem is that we have all gone down a road, so far so long, and now they have dipped their finger in a still pool, one that we all loved to swim in, cause we thought we were swimming the right way, now we have to switch gears and adapt practices and methods that have been ingrained in our methodologies for quite some time now.had this happened 8 years ago or so, probably wouldn't be that big of a deal... like when a man marries a woman, and then 10 years later he decides to tell her he is gay, its just effed up. that's all. ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) I still think Eolas is an ass. This is now off topic, but I find it interesting that people consider Eolas to some how be evil when every other software company has patents they enforce too. What specifically is your problem with Eolas? They have offered to license their patent to Microsoft, so they are certainly playing fair. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
If they were only concerned with their IP rights, they'd have sued years ago, and would currently be sueing more than just Microsoft. As it is, it looks to me like a money grab. Which is just plain good business currently. If you don't like it, talk to your representative about changing the laws. Remember, businesses exist to make money; they have no other purpose. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
It does not allow solutions that use embed. I also believe HTML 4 (XHTML transitional) has deprecated embed. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news
Matt Liotta wrote: It does not allow solutions that use embed. I also believe HTML 4 (XHTML transitional) has deprecated embed. Correct. And even before the active content changes were required this was a problem for those of us who have clients that demand standard compliance. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Eolas patent suit
I'm more than a little worried about this change.My livelihood comes from developing and delivering flash-based newsletters and promotions in e-mail.When this change goes into effect, we're either out of business or facing the loss of our primary product. I've seen no workarounds that will allow us to embed flash in an HTML e-mail message - scripting is out. This is a huge bummer. (Please don't start a dialogue about Flash in e-mail messages.It's not spam, and it's desired by our clients and the recipients. I just wanted to show that this patent issue definitely affects some of us in major ways.) [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
Matt, If he was suing Netscape Apple I'd think differently. However he's only targeting MS. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) I still think Eolas is an ass. This is now off topic, but I find it interesting that people consider Eolas to some how be evil when every other software company has patents they enforce too. What specifically is your problem with Eolas? They have offered to license their patent to Microsoft, so they are certainly playing fair. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Eolas patent suit
Jeff Beer wrote: I'm more than a little worried about this change.My livelihood comes from developing and delivering flash-based newsletters and promotions in e-mail.When this change goes into effect, we're either out of business or facing the loss of our primary product. I've seen no workarounds that will allow us to embed flash in an HTML e-mail message - scripting is out. This is a huge bummer. If you embed your Flash in the email message, does that still qualify as an object external to the first distributed hypermedia document? I thought al the Base64 techniques were also based on including the movie in the original request, so that would be allowed in email too. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Eolas patent suit
Why would you not be able to use the workaround already put forward?I haven't paid a huge amount of attention as it doesn't effect any of my past of near future work. Thanks - Original Message - From: Jeff Beer To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Eolas patent suit I'm more than a little worried about this change.My livelihood comes from developing and delivering flash-based newsletters and promotions in e-mail.When this change goes into effect, we're either out of business or facing the loss of our primary product. I've seen no workarounds that will allow us to embed flash in an HTML e-mail message - scripting is out. This is a huge bummer. (Please don't start a dialogue about Flash in e-mail messages.It's not spam, and it's desired by our clients and the recipients. I just wanted to show that this patent issue definitely affects some of us in major ways.) [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Eolas patent suit
I've seen no workarounds that will allow us to embed flash in an HTML e-mail message - scripting is out. This is a huge bummer. Why would you not be able to use the workaround already put forward?I haven't paid a huge amount of attention as it doesn't effect any of my past of near future work. If I understand correctly, the current workaround requires client-side scripting, which is certainly undesirable in email and disallowed by many for obvious reasons. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
This is now off topic, but I find it interesting that people consider Eolas to some how be evil when every other software company has patents they enforce too. What specifically is your problem with Eolas? Common business practices are often considered unethical (especially by people who don't benefit from those practices); what people are allowed to do by law is not necessarily the same as what they should do. Eolas doesn't actually produce anything. To the best of my knowledge, they didn't ever implement their idea, they just thought it up and rushed to the patent office with it. While this is perfectly legal, it strikes me that this behavior could be interpreted as parasitic, to say the least. I can certainly understand why so many people oppose software patents. They have offered to license their patent to Microsoft, so they are certainly playing fair. I was under the impression that they did not offer to license their patent to Microsoft. I agree that they are playing fair in the sense that their actions are legal, and maximize shareholder benefits, but they will certainly have a negative effect on lots of third parties who have done them no harm. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
If he was suing Netscape Apple I'd think differently. However he's only targeting MS. It is standard practice to sue the big fish first before suing any other infringers. Again, Eolas is currently playing fair. Whether or not we like, they did get the patent and are allowed to enforce it. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Active Content Embed (WAS: Macromedia sinks on sales ...)
_javascript_ is NOT the only way you can embed content, in fact, it's probably the most convoluted way. In the time it takes you to write the _javascript_ you could run your URL through a Base64 converter and slightly modify your object call to use Base64 encoded data and be done with it. It still embeds in HTML and it requires no _javascript_. Unless I'm reading this wrong? http://msdn.microsoft.com/ieupdate/activexchanges.asp On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 11:41, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Thomas Chiverton wrote: On Friday 24 Oct 2003 16:28 pm, Ciliotta, Mario wrote: When will the article appear?I am interested in seeing all the other solutions that are available for use. Why ? Macromedia/MS have said this is the way it will work - you can bet that shortly when you drop Flash into Dreamweaver, it will use this style of code. What's the point of going off doing you're own think, with no gurantee it'll (continue) to work ? I may not trust MS, but I do trust Macromedia... Some of us need solutions that are XHTML compliant. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
Ding, ding, ding! There's the correct answer! If this was about protecting intellectual property all of the browser vendors would be in the same boat, however they're not. Microsoft was targeted because they have the deepest pockets and the lion's share of the browser market. I personally appreciate the fact that Microsoft is not going to license the technology and I will help by taking steps to modify my code to see to it that Eolas receives as little money as possible for this. Eolas basically cut off the little toe of the plugin world, but we will all adapt and be running fast as ever in no time. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 12:07, Adam Wayne Lehman wrote: Matt, If he was suing Netscape Apple I'd think differently. However he's only targeting MS. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) I still think Eolas is an ass. This is now off topic, but I find it interesting that people consider Eolas to some how be evil when every other software company has patents they enforce too. What specifically is your problem with Eolas? They have offered to license their patent to Microsoft, so they are certainly playing fair. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Active Content Embed (WAS: Macromedia sinks on sales ...)
Joshua Miller wrote: _javascript_ is NOT the only way you can embed content, in fact, it's probably the most convoluted way. In the time it takes you to write the _javascript_ you could run your URL through a Base64 converter and slightly modify your object call to use Base64 encoded data and be done with it. It still embeds in HTML and it requires no _javascript_. Unless I'm reading this wrong? http://msdn.microsoft.com/ieupdate/activexchanges.asp You are correct. But Flash movies still require embed tags to work properly. If that is a no-go, you can't use Flash until Macromedia comes up with a Flash Player that can be invoked in an XHTML compliant way. I was hoping that Macromedia would come with a solution that solved both the Active Content and the non-compliance problems at the same time. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
Joshua Miller wrote: If this was about protecting intellectual property all of the browser vendors would be in the same boat, however they're not. It is not and it was never about protecting intellectual property. It is about the exploitation of intellectual property to earn money. Microsoft was targeted because they have the deepest pockets and the lion's share of the browser market. So if you can get them convicted throughout all appeals, the rest will not resist too much. Why do you think everybody always goes after Amazon, eBay, Google etc? Because they are market leaders with deep pockets to pay defence lawyers. So if they can't win in court, the small fry won't even try. I personally appreciate the fact that Microsoft is not going to license the technology I don't really care if they are going to license the technology or not, but continuing to sell products with that technology without licensing that technology does raise the stakes. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
Common business practices are often considered unethical (especially by people who don't benefit from those practices); what people are allowed to do by law is not necessarily the same as what they should do. While that may be true, it would seem to me then that it is actually the law that is considered unethical and not the company. The truth is that common business practices are just that; common. It is just that people only seem to get upset when one of those companies does something common that affects them. Eolas doesn't actually produce anything. To the best of my knowledge, they didn't ever implement their idea, they just thought it up and rushed to the patent office with it. While this is perfectly legal, it strikes me that this behavior could be interpreted as parasitic, to say the least. I can certainly understand why so many people oppose software patents. Is it then okay for a company that produces a product to patent other ideas they never implement? Because the practice of patenting ideas without implementing them into a product is quite common. I would even say that most companies engage in this practice, which by your logic would mean that most companies could be interpreted as parasitic. I was under the impression that they did not offer to license their patent to Microsoft. I agree that they are playing fair in the sense that their actions are legal, and maximize shareholder benefits, but they will certainly have a negative effect on lots of third parties who have done them no harm. Eolas has offered Microsoft a license. Beware of Microsoft FUD! In regard to harming 3rd parties with legal actions, such is life. Most legal actions entered into for economic benefit harm 3rd parties. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Active Content Embed (WAS: Macromedia sinks on sales ...)
I would imagine that Macromedia probably will consider this option, but in the short-run they're putting together a fix for what currently exists. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 12:37, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Joshua Miller wrote: _javascript_ is NOT the only way you can embed content, in fact, it's probably the most convoluted way. In the time it takes you to write the _javascript_ you could run your URL through a Base64 converter and slightly modify your object call to use Base64 encoded data and be done with it. It still embeds in HTML and it requires no _javascript_. Unless I'm reading this wrong? http://msdn.microsoft.com/ieupdate/activexchanges.asp You are correct. But Flash movies still require embed tags to work properly. If that is a no-go, you can't use Flash until Macromedia comes up with a Flash Player that can be invoked in an XHTML compliant way. I was hoping that Macromedia would come with a solution that solved both the Active Content and the non-compliance problems at the same time. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
If this was about protecting intellectual property all of the browser vendors would be in the same boat, however they're not. Microsoft was targeted because they have the deepest pockets and the lion's share of the browser market. Again, Eolas is following the standard patent litigation strategy used across this industry and many others. People should remember that Microsoft is poster child of unethical business practices when they cheer them on. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Active Content Embed (WAS: Macromedia sinks on sales ...)
You are correct. But Flash movies still require embed tags to work properly. If that is a no-go, you can't use Flash until Macromedia comes up with a Flash Player that can be invoked in an XHTML compliant way. I was hoping that Macromedia would come with a solution that solved both the Active Content and the non-compliance problems at the same time. Last I checked Flash movies worked with just an object tag; no need for embed. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Active Content Embed (WAS: Macromedia sinks on sales ...)
_javascript_ is NOT the only way you can embed content, in fact, it's probably the most convoluted way. In the time it takes you to write the _javascript_ you could run your URL through a Base64 converter and slightly modify your object call to use Base64 encoded data and be done with it. It still embeds in HTML and it requires no _javascript_. You are correct, but embedding the data of a Flash movie directly in the HTML has certain side effects to be aware of. For one, the size of the HTML page is increased to the point where in some situations that loading of the page simply take too long. Further, Flash movies embedded in HTML cannot be cached separately from the HTML like they are today. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
CFMX and ClusterCATS?
Hi All, Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there has any info... Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? I'm looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. But before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, I'd like to play around with it a little myself. The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase a full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or may not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have several boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in the right direction. -Novak [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Active Content Embed (WAS: Macromedia sinks on sales ...)
Matt Liotta wrote: You are correct. But Flash movies still require embed tags to work properly. If that is a no-go, you can't use Flash until Macromedia comes up with a Flash Player that can be invoked in an XHTML compliant way. I was hoping that Macromedia would come with a solution that solved both the Active Content and the non-compliance problems at the same time. Last I checked Flash movies worked with just an object tag; no need for embed. I had a little debate about that the other day and did some testing on that. Not all sorts of active content and not all parameters appear to work, but it works to display a movie without parameters. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
Dave Watts wrote: Common business practices are often considered unethical (especially by people who don't benefit from those practices); what people are allowed to do by law is not necessarily the same as what they should do. Eolas doesn't actually produce anything. To the best of my knowledge, they didn't ever implement their idea, they just thought it up and rushed to the patent office with it. IIRC they bought it from the University of California. They have offered to license their patent to Microsoft, so they are certainly playing fair. I was under the impression that they did not offer to license their patent to Microsoft. I agree that they are playing fair in the sense that their actions are legal, and maximize shareholder benefits, but they will certainly have a negative effect on lots of third parties who have done them no harm. I am sure a Eolas lawyer would rephrase that as: Who have profited from Eolas intellectual property without compensation. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Active Content Embed (WAS: Macromedia sinks on sales ...)
If you use one object tag that is compatible with most browsers, it will disable the automatic updating of the Flash Player in IE.If you use nested object tags, IE will show two copies of the Flash movie. Matt Liotta wrote: You are correct. But Flash movies still require embed tags to work properly. If that is a no-go, you can't use Flash until Macromedia comes up with a Flash Player that can be invoked in an XHTML compliant way. I was hoping that Macromedia would come with a solution that solved both the Active Content and the non-compliance problems at the same time. Last I checked Flash movies worked with just an object tag; no need for embed. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Web Reports
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RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS?
I just set up a clustered arrangement, but I'm on Linux, so I won't be of much assistance.We didn't cluster the CF servers directly, but rather just used a load balancer (actually a pair) in front to delegate each request to one of the CF servers.I'm not sure what clustering the CF servers directly brings to the table, rather than just using an external load balancer. Perhaps easier administration (though I doubt that), and the savings from not having to buy another piece of hardware?All the CF servers then connect to a separate DB server, which also has a hot backup. We can kill any machine in the rack and no one will know.And adding more CF servers is just a matter of putting it in and running a single script on the primary load balancer.Very nice setup, I think. cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? Hi All, Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there has any info... Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? I'm looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. But before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, I'd like to play around with it a little myself. The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase a full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or may not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have several boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in the right direction. -Novak [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Eolas patent suit
Dave is correct - scripting is out for e-mail messages - way too many variables to test for and manage, assuming you can even test. We've developed a way to allow the code to 'gracefully degrade' from fully scripted embedding of the OBJECT tag, to showing a standard jpg image, that works on almost all platforms.But, if I can't get remote data, none of this matters any more. Matt is also right - there's no way we can embed the flash content in the e-mail.I can't send a 400k e-mail to 50k people.The users don't mind some load time as there is a lot of static info that goes with it. However, people would (literally?) kill me if it took 30+ seconds to download the message itself. Even using base64 for the URI values, it's still external data, and won't load.I don't currently see any way to do this, so I'm hoping that either MS gives in and buys a license, or, Eolas gets beat down in court, before the new browser versions come out.Either way is fine with me :) [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS?
Barney, So did you purchase an piece of NLB hardware to run in front of your boxes or are you using a Linux box to do that?Perhaps you could share with all of us a few more details of your setup? All I'm really after is the ability to set up four boxes... all running the exact same thing... and be able to kill any of those boxes at any time without the end user being affected.Cheap is nice... easy is even nicer... The setup right now is DNS based failover but I'm not too impressed by it.Basically it's just rewriting DNS records to remove the dead machine... but it can take several minutes for those DNS changes to roll.I want to provide something better than that. Thanks, -Novak -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? I just set up a clustered arrangement, but I'm on Linux, so I won't be of much assistance.We didn't cluster the CF servers directly, but rather just used a load balancer (actually a pair) in front to delegate each request to one of the CF servers.I'm not sure what clustering the CF servers directly brings to the table, rather than just using an external load balancer. Perhaps easier administration (though I doubt that), and the savings from not having to buy another piece of hardware?All the CF servers then connect to a separate DB server, which also has a hot backup. We can kill any machine in the rack and no one will know.And adding more CF servers is just a matter of putting it in and running a single script on the primary load balancer.Very nice setup, I think. cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? Hi All, Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there has any info... Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? I'm looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. But before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, I'd like to play around with it a little myself. The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase a full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or may not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have several boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in the right direction. -Novak _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: JAVA 1.4 vs CFMX Java
Generally speaking, the newer versions of sun's java are better than the older versions. CFMX 6.0 comes with version 1.3.1, and CFMX 6.1 comes with version 1.4.2, currently the latest version. If you haven't upgraded to 6.1, I highly recommend it. If you have, you already have the latest version, and therefore can't get much better. If you're on CFMX 6.0, you may have luck upgrading to 1.4.2, but be ready to roll back if you notice things not working or responding as fast, as CFMX 6.0 was engineered with 1.3.1 in mind. I have heard of someone having success with IBM's java (tends to be faster than sun's), but YMMV. -nathan strutz -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: JAVA 1.4 vs CFMX Java I know I can swap out which Java to use, but is it better to use the latest version (for speed's sake not so much compatibility) as opposed to the version that comes with CFMX. Just curious if I can get a little more juice out of CFMX. Bob Everland [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS?
We played around with clustercats...it is on the CFMX CD (I think) and there is a download on Macromedia's site where you can get it. We tested in on Windows 2003 Web Edition without anything in front. Worked pretty well, if we killed one server, the other would take over with very little loss of traffic. (I think it may have confused our switch somewhat which might account for the delay) Matt -Original Message- From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? Hi All, Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there has any info... Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? I'm looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. But before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, I'd like to play around with it a little myself. The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase a full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or may not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have several boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in the right direction. -Novak _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS?
I know it's not the best method as you said, but how are you doing the DNS failover? I'd be interested as we're trying to devise a long term plan for balancing two servers but right now they're in different physical locations and I need a quick, short-term solution. Thanks On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 13:21, cf-talk wrote: Barney, So did you purchase an piece of NLB hardware to run in front of your boxes or are you using a Linux box to do that?Perhaps you could share with all of us a few more details of your setup? All I'm really after is the ability to set up four boxes... all running the exact same thing... and be able to kill any of those boxes at any time without the end user being affected.Cheap is nice... easy is even nicer... The setup right now is DNS based failover but I'm not too impressed by it.Basically it's just rewriting DNS records to remove the dead machine... but it can take several minutes for those DNS changes to roll.I want to provide something better than that. Thanks, -Novak -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? I just set up a clustered arrangement, but I'm on Linux, so I won't be of much assistance.We didn't cluster the CF servers directly, but rather just used a load balancer (actually a pair) in front to delegate each request to one of the CF servers.I'm not sure what clustering the CF servers directly brings to the table, rather than just using an external load balancer. Perhaps easier administration (though I doubt that), and the savings from not having to buy another piece of hardware?All the CF servers then connect to a separate DB server, which also has a hot backup. We can kill any machine in the rack and no one will know.And adding more CF servers is just a matter of putting it in and running a single script on the primary load balancer.Very nice setup, I think. cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? Hi All, Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there has any info... Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? I'm looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. But before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, I'd like to play around with it a little myself. The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase a full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or may not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have several boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in the right direction. -Novak _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: JAVA 1.4 vs CFMX Java
Generally speaking, the newer versions of sun's java are better than the older versions. CFMX 6.0 comes with version 1.3.1, and CFMX 6.1 comes with version 1.4.2, currently the latest version. If you haven't upgraded to 6.1, I highly recommend it. If you have, you already have the latest version, and therefore can't get much better. If you're on CFMX 6.0, you may have luck upgrading to 1.4.2, but be ready to roll back if you notice things not working or responding as fast, as CFMX 6.0 was engineered with 1.3.1 in mind. I have heard of someone having success with IBM's java (tends to be faster than sun's), but YMMV. Technically speaking, the latest version of Sun's java is 1.4.2_02, which contains tons of bug fixes from the initial 1.4.2 release. Regards, Dave. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
At 12:22 PM 10/24/03 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote: It is standard practice to sue the big fish first before suing any other infringers. Again, Eolas is currently playing fair. Whether or not we like, they did get the patent and are allowed to enforce it. I don't think that being an ass has anything to do with whether what you are doing is legal or not.The RCMP can fine you for going 1 km over the speed limit.That's legal without question.But it's generally considered mean.I would consider that officer an ass, because there's a difference between simply being a jerk, the legality of the action.In this case, we have something has been done in a specific way for years.Then a company buys the patent to this method and announces that they want money for it.Sure that's legal, but it's also sleazy, IMO. Since there's nothing we can do about it, we just have to use the workaround and hope that Eolas goes belly up. T Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited to one computer?Move them to the Net! www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites makes it easy to keep all your favourites in one place and access them from any computer that's attached to the Internet. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
Since there's nothing we can do about it, we just have to use the workaround and hope that Eolas goes belly up. Alternatively, you could get mad at the patent system instead and work to change that instead of wasting time on the latest company exploiting it. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
I need some enlightenment...
I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
In the following bit of code:
cfscript
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
}
/cfscript
cfdump var=#variables# /
I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e. variables.testStruct.1,
variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
Thanks,
Nate
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RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS?
Here's a much more fleshed out description of the setup. Everything's running Linux.Right now we have 6 machines, two load balancers, two web/CF servers, and two DB servers.The DB servers also handle uploaded files, as they need to be served from any of the web servers.Each web server has an NFS mount to the shared directory on the active DB server. There are two load balancers in front.They are running ldirectord for the balancing, and heartbeat for failover.Behind them, on a private network, are the Apache/CF servers, and behind them (on another, separate private network) is the database server and it's replication slave.The DB servers are also running heartbeat and use a virtual IP address that the CF servers connect to, so that IP can fail over to the slave server with no one noticing. The failover that heartbeat does is IP only, but it does a gratouitous arp afterwards, which will make most machines (some windows machines don't respond correctly) refresh their arp cache, making MAC failover unneeded. Based on our trials, we'll be able to add at least 15-20 more Apache/CF servers to the cluster before we have need for beefier DB or load balancing servers.Our application is VERY application-logic intensive (just the nature of the beast), and we're running MySQL which is blazing, so I suspect those numbers are skewed compared to the 'average' application. There are three things that can go wrong, the primary loadbalancer fails, a web server fails, or the master DB fails.In the first case, the secondary load balancer assumes the role, and the dead loadbalancer, once fixed, will resume life as the secondary load balancer for use as needed.That switch happens almost instantaneously.If a web server fails, it is removed from the pool on the primary load balancer within 10 seconds or so, so no more requests are routed to it until it is back up.If the master DB fails, the slave takes over immediately, and reloads the NFS mounts on the web servers. However, because the replication is only one way, the master does NOT come up as a secondary if it gets fixed.It just stays dead until it can be reconfigured as a slave for the new master.That's a manual process at this point, but such is life. All the CF servers are totally independant of the others.None of them know the other's exist at the CF level.Our application does caching for obvious reasons, so there is some application-level syncronization that needs to take place.That's accomplished by CFHTTP calls across the private network to flush caches.The CF servers request a list of active servers from the primary load balancer periodically so they know who to alert when they need to do that. We opted to not use session variables, instead using our own in-house version of client variables stored in the DB, so there is no need for persistant connections.And we're using CF Standard, which saves us $3500 a server.We don't need any of the enterprise features, because we're providing them ourselves with the setup. cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? Barney, So did you purchase an piece of NLB hardware to run in front of your boxes or are you using a Linux box to do that?Perhaps you could share with all of us a few more details of your setup? All I'm really after is the ability to set up four boxes... all running the exact same thing... and be able to kill any of those boxes at any time without the end user being affected.Cheap is nice... easy is even nicer... The setup right now is DNS based failover but I'm not too impressed by it.Basically it's just rewriting DNS records to remove the dead machine... but it can take several minutes for those DNS changes to roll.I want to provide something better than that. Thanks, -Novak -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? I just set up a clustered arrangement, but I'm on Linux, so I won't be of much assistance.We didn't cluster the CF servers directly, but rather just used a load balancer (actually a pair) in front to delegate each request to one of the CF servers.I'm not sure what clustering the CF servers directly brings to the table, rather than just using an external load balancer. Perhaps easier administration (though I doubt that), and the savings from not having to buy another piece of hardware?All the CF servers then connect to a separate DB server, which also has a hot backup. We can kill any machine in the rack and no one will know.And adding more CF servers is just a matter of putting it in and running a single script on the primary load balancer.Very nice setup, I think. cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? Hi All,
DNS Auto Failover (was: CFMX and ClusterCATS?)
Joshua, The client currently uses a company called TZO (http://www.tzo.com) In reality though if you have control over your own DNS you can do this pretty easily... all it really is is a fast refreshing DNS zone.For example, if you set your zone records to expire every 20 min... you could easily write a .CFM script which could rewrite the DNS records and only include the records for the servers that are currently responding. -Novak -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? I know it's not the best method as you said, but how are you doing the DNS failover? I'd be interested as we're trying to devise a long term plan for balancing two servers but right now they're in different physical locations and I need a quick, short-term solution. Thanks On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 13:21, cf-talk wrote: Barney, So did you purchase an piece of NLB hardware to run in front of your boxes or are you using a Linux box to do that?Perhaps you could share with all of us a few more details of your setup? All I'm really after is the ability to set up four boxes... all running the exact same thing... and be able to kill any of those boxes at any time without the end user being affected.Cheap is nice... easy is even nicer... The setup right now is DNS based failover but I'm not too impressed by it.Basically it's just rewriting DNS records to remove the dead machine... but it can take several minutes for those DNS changes to roll.I want to provide something better than that. Thanks, -Novak -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? I just set up a clustered arrangement, but I'm on Linux, so I won't be of much assistance.We didn't cluster the CF servers directly, but rather just used a load balancer (actually a pair) in front to delegate each request to one of the CF servers.I'm not sure what clustering the CF servers directly brings to the table, rather than just using an external load balancer. Perhaps easier administration (though I doubt that), and the savings from not having to buy another piece of hardware?All the CF servers then connect to a separate DB server, which also has a hot backup. We can kill any machine in the rack and no one will know.And adding more CF servers is just a matter of putting it in and running a single script on the primary load balancer.Very nice setup, I think. cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? Hi All, Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there has any info... Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? I'm looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. But before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, I'd like to play around with it a little myself. The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase a full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or may not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have several boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in the right direction. -Novak _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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cfscript
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct#i#= structNew();
}
/cfscript
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I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
In the following bit of code:
cfscript
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
}
/cfscript
cfdump var=#variables# /
I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e. variables.testStruct.1,
variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
Thanks,
Nate
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Fail-over and load balancing are two different beasts in my mind. Currently we've got a load balancer (set to sticky sessions) in front of an Apache cluster (2) which each have the JRun connector installed. Each request is routed to a JRun instance in round-robin fashion (default). While this works, I'd probably like to move towards adding a load balancer in front of the Jrun cluster. We're using Alteon switches which can monitor the actual 'health' of a server and route each request accordingly. That would prob yield a more efficient distribution across the cluster. Guess there are many ways to skin a cat. ;-) Stace _ From: Matthew Fusfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2003 1:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? We played around with clustercats...it is on the CFMX CD (I think) and there is a download on Macromedia's site where you can get it. We tested in on Windows 2003 Web Edition without anything in front. Worked pretty well, if we killed one server, the other would take over with very little loss of traffic. (I think it may have confused our switch somewhat which might account for the delay) Matt -Original Message- From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? Hi All, Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there has any info... Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? I'm looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. But before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, I'd like to play around with it a little myself. The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase a full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or may not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have several boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in the right direction. -Novak _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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You mean you wanted to do something like:
cfloop index=i from=1 to=4
cfset testStruct#i# = structNew()
/cfloop
4 different structures
or
cfset testStruct = arrayNew(1)
cfloop index=i from=1 to=4
cfset testStruct[i] = structNew()
/cfloop
array of 4 structs
or
cfset testStruct = structNew()
cfloop index=i from=1 to=4
cfset testStruct[i] = structNew()
/cfloop
struct of 4 structs?
TK
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Subject: I need some enlightenment...
I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
In the following bit of code:
cfscript
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
}
/cfscript
cfdump var=#variables# /
I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e. variables.testStruct.1,
variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
Thanks,
Nate
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for (i=1; i lte 4; i=i+1) {
Variables['testStruct'i]=structNew();
}
/cfscript
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Subject: I need some enlightenment...
I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
In the following bit of code:
cfscript
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
}
/cfscript
cfdump var=#variables# /
I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e. variables.testStruct.1,
variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
Thanks,
Nate
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variables.testStruct#i#= structNew();
or
variables.[testStruct#i#]= structNew();
or
variables.testStruct[i]= structNew();
will do it, depending on what exactly you're trying to do.I think you want
one of the first two (which do the same thing).I prefer the second, as
it's more readable, IMO.
cheers,
barneyb
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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: I need some enlightenment...
cfscript
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct#i#= structNew();
}
/cfscript
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: I need some enlightenment...
I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
In the following bit of code:
cfscript
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
}
/cfscript
cfdump var=#variables# /
I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e. variables.testStruct.1,
variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
Thanks,
Nate
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try something like
cfscript
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables[testStruct i] = structNew();
}
/cfscript
HTH
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: I need some enlightenment...
I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
In the following bit of code:
cfscript
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
}
/cfscript
cfdump var=#variables# /
I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e. variables.testStruct.1,
variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
Thanks,
Nate
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Re: DNS Auto Failover (was: CFMX and ClusterCATS?)
A, I see, ok that's a pretty good idea actually. Other than being slightly slower than load balancing it's not a bad idea. I can't imagine a server being down for 20 minutes though, my boss would have shot me long before the DNS picked up for the other box. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 13:56, cf-talk wrote: Joshua, The client currently uses a company called TZO (http://www.tzo.com) In reality though if you have control over your own DNS you can do this pretty easily... all it really is is a fast refreshing DNS zone.For example, if you set your zone records to expire every 20 min... you could easily write a .CFM script which could rewrite the DNS records and only include the records for the servers that are currently responding. -Novak -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? I know it's not the best method as you said, but how are you doing the DNS failover? I'd be interested as we're trying to devise a long term plan for balancing two servers but right now they're in different physical locations and I need a quick, short-term solution. Thanks On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 13:21, cf-talk wrote: Barney, So did you purchase an piece of NLB hardware to run in front of your boxes or are you using a Linux box to do that?Perhaps you could share with all of us a few more details of your setup? All I'm really after is the ability to set up four boxes... all running the exact same thing... and be able to kill any of those boxes at any time without the end user being affected.Cheap is nice... easy is even nicer... The setup right now is DNS based failover but I'm not too impressed by it.Basically it's just rewriting DNS records to remove the dead machine... but it can take several minutes for those DNS changes to roll.I want to provide something better than that. Thanks, -Novak -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? I just set up a clustered arrangement, but I'm on Linux, so I won't be of much assistance.We didn't cluster the CF servers directly, but rather just used a load balancer (actually a pair) in front to delegate each request to one of the CF servers.I'm not sure what clustering the CF servers directly brings to the table, rather than just using an external load balancer. Perhaps easier administration (though I doubt that), and the savings from not having to buy another piece of hardware?All the CF servers then connect to a separate DB server, which also has a hot backup. We can kill any machine in the rack and no one will know.And adding more CF servers is just a matter of putting it in and running a single script on the primary load balancer.Very nice setup, I think. cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? Hi All, Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there has any info... Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? I'm looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. But before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, I'd like to play around with it a little myself. The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase a full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or may not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have several boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in the right direction. -Novak _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Sandy,
I tried your code and replaced the brackets around the i with pound signs
and I got an error.
Thanks for the suggestion,
Nate
Quoting Sandy Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
cfscript
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct#i#= structNew();
}
/cfscript
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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: I need some enlightenment...
I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
In the following bit of code:
cfscript
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
}
/cfscript
cfdump var=#variables# /
I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e.
variables.testStruct.1,
variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
Thanks,
Nate
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Shouldn't this Eolas stuff be OT? I know Flash and CF are nicely integrated, but this is CF-Talk. It's hard enough to filter through the amount of mail on this list - OT posts should be marked as such to help us find the CF stuff, at least. I don't use Flash, or anything affected by the Eolas patent suit (even though I obviously recognise it's important to web development in general, if not to CF in particular). Just a thought, Gyrus [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://norlonto.net/gyrus/dev/ PGP key available [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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