Re: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

[Anthony Crawford]

I can't believe how amazing this is. The code is so neat and organized, easy to 
read, and simple! I can't believe you can just give this away! I better keep my 
mouth shut now... lol  Great work man, and thanks a lot.


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Re: Problems with sessions in CF 5

[Ali Awan]

This is even more confusing then.

Because I do javascript locations on other pages, except this one.

The only way people get to this page is via form submits.

 

Thanks for responding though, Nick.

 

>Ali,

> >> the http_referer does not exist.  

> 

>One of the reasons could be in Internet Explorer browser,

>Cgi.http_referer doesn't not exist if the target page was requested via

>javascript, like window.location.



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Re: Unusual Image Rotation Request

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>So it'd just be a matter
of making the CFC or CF/CFX tag leverage that capability.

Ok, now I follow you.

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Re: Modify class file w/o having to restart CF service

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>Is your CFX in a JAR or class files?

It was a class file. Anyway, I changed my mine and developed the whole 
thing in a cfc finally.
The trouble with Java CFX is that there is no access to the Java 
environment in CF itself.

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Re: How to recognize robots

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>An updated, even lighter-weight version of those menus is outlined here:
http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/

I remember I had a look at this one. What I didn't like is that you need 
to define CSS stuff for each level in the menu, which can get quite 
complicated. I solved the problem and can have an infinite number of 
levels with the same CSS file.

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Re: How to recognize robots

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>Do you have a particular favorite in mind for this sort of menu?

Sure: my own mine! ;-)

I'm using a first version here: www.fafo.on.ca
I may release a commercial version for it, the only problem now is that 
I need to make some tools to edit the CSS file
and the menu items in the database, and also make it less dependant upon 
my CMS.

The whole menu is build with this simple code:

  SELECT *
  FROM menus
  WHERE name = 'public'




This gets the menu "public" (there are others in the admin section), the 
CSI_menuBuild.cfm template builds the whole list recursively. The DIV is 
a container for the CSS classes and JS objects hierarchy.

 >>Opencube does this but the links are
all javascript, such as...

Yeah, this is why I made my own.
I also found some others which claim they are 100% CSS and no javascript.
Fine, but they just do not work or are ugly ;-)
I hate all 100% extremists, whatever 100% of what they claim they are ;-)
Javascript is not evil, it just in the links that it causses a problem.

See the source: completely transparent to robots.
It is tested for MSIE and Mozilla, I don't know about others, but I 
haven't get any complaint yet.

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Re: ColdFusion Podcast Series | Tips, Tricks and News

[John Wilker]

yeah 2 just got pulled in via iTunes.

Can't wait to listen.

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RE: SMS Pull Technology

[Mark Henderson]

-Original Message-
From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2005 9:41 a.m.
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SMS Pull Technology

If you can move to CFMX 7, and use the event gateways, they've got SMS
support built in.  The demos I've seen are pretty sweet.  So people
could send an SMS message and get a response from your CF server.

-

Hi Jacob,
unfortunately this is not an option :-(

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Oracle XE & CFMX7 Standard

[Pete Ruckelshaus]

Now that Oracle has released a free database
(http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/database/xe/index.html), is
there anything stopping me from using it with a CF MX7 Standard
installation?  Are the necessary drivers included with MX7 or do I
need to use an ODBC passthrough?

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Re: ColdFusion Podcast Series | Tips, Tricks and News

[Michael Haynie]

Episode II is up now, lots of good stuff including Ajax and Google Maps API. If 
you are subscribed via iTunes, it seems to be lagging on the new episode, but 
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Re: ColdFusion Podcast Series | Tips, Tricks and News

[John Wilker]

Just listenned to show 1 today! Good start guys! Hope to hear more!

J

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ColdFusion Podcast Series | Tips, Tricks and News

[ColdFusion Pocast]

We just started a new series of ColdFusion Podcasts. We hope to do an
episode a week focusing on a variety of technologies. You can check it out
at:

http://www.coldfusionpodcast.com

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Re: Problems with sessions in CF 5

[Ali Awan]

 

Ok, now this is even more messed up.

The application is a 4 step form.

On the fourth step I got an error where the form fields aren't even passed
to the next page.

 

To put this in perspective, several thousand submissions go through daily
w/o error.  This is like 1 in a thousand.

 

Anyway, I have no clue, then, why in this case all of a sudden the form
fields don't exist in the final step of the form submission.

 

Ali

  _  

From: Ali Awan 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 4:01 PM
To: 'cf-talk@houseoffusion.com'
Subject: Re: Problems with sessions in CF 5

 

This is even more confusing then.

Because I do javascript locations on other pages, except this one.

The only way people get to this page is via form submits.

 

Thanks for responding though, Nick.

 

>Ali,

> >> the http_referer does not exist.  

> 

>One of the reasons could be in Internet Explorer browser,

>Cgi.http_referer doesn't not exist if the target page was requested via

>javascript, like window.location.



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RE: Problems with sessions in CF 5

[Nick Han]

Ali,
 >> the http_referer does not exist.  

One of the reasons could be in Internet Explorer browser,
Cgi.http_referer doesn't not exist if the target page was requested via
javascript, like window.location.



-Original Message-
From: Ali Awan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 3:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Problems with sessions in CF 5

Sorry for the double-post.

However, there is something even more strange.

 

I'm checking for the http_referer before I set session variables.  Now
in
this rare instance, the http_referer does not exist.  Does anybody know
how
this could happen?

 

The user gets to the page from a form submit, and on my development box
in
all tests that I run, the http_referer always exists.  There's no way a
user
can navigate to that page without a submit, I already block users from
navigating to it directly.

 

Another curious thing is that there are a couple of cgi variables on the
page when it errors out which are:

http_~~~  and the value of that is a huge string of tildes like so:


 

Again if anyone has any insight on such an issue I would be extremely
grateful.

 

Thanks,

Ali





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Re: Problems with sessions in CF 5

[Ali Awan]

Sorry for the double-post.

However, there is something even more strange.

 

I'm checking for the http_referer before I set session variables.  Now in
this rare instance, the http_referer does not exist.  Does anybody know how
this could happen?

 

The user gets to the page from a form submit, and on my development box in
all tests that I run, the http_referer always exists.  There's no way a user
can navigate to that page without a submit, I already block users from
navigating to it directly.

 

Another curious thing is that there are a couple of cgi variables on the
page when it errors out which are:

http_~~~  and the value of that is a huge string of tildes like so:


 

Again if anyone has any insight on such an issue I would be extremely
grateful.

 

Thanks,

Ali



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Re: Blue Dragon and Fusebox

[charles arehart]

BTW, I should have answered how I found out about the note. I have a google 
alert set to tell me of anything it finds anew for BlueDragon, and since this 
list is tracked by google groups, it notified me. 

The mechanism is spotty, and I can't rely on it always pointing out such notes 
to me, and while Vince does also try to monitor the talk list, I'll just again 
assert that questions that could benefit from our support our best asked on our 
free mailing list, BlueDragon Interest:

http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/archive_search/index.cfm

/charlie

> Andy, the problem isn't with duplicating sessions, per se, and it's 
> not a .NET issue. There is a bug (fixed in the upcoming 6.2.1 release) 
> in both Java and .NET editions, and it only appeared if you were using 
> a CFLOCK around the code attempting to duplicate the session.
> 
> Now, someone may say "but shouldn't you ALWAYS lock access to session 
> variables?", and the answer is no, as discussed in a technote from mm 
> at http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.
> cfm?id=tn_18235. While that was written for CFMX, it applies to BD as 
> well. You still want to lock, but only for race conditions.
> 
> Anyway, as of 6.2.1 (due out in beta soon), you can continue to lock 
> and duplicate to your heart's content. :-)
> 
> Finally, let me plead that you please bring up such issues on the 
> BlueDragon Interest list. We don't always get to monitor all the 
> traffic on CF-talk, but our engineers always watch and respond to 
> issues brought up on our list. Not meaning to prevent discussion here, 
> just saying that if you have an urgent need for support, you're MUCH 
> better asking there, and of course, it's free.
> 
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Re: Blue Dragon and Fusebox

[charles arehart]

Andy, the problem isn't with duplicating sessions, per se, and it's not a .NET 
issue. There is a bug (fixed in the upcoming 6.2.1 release) in both Java and 
.NET editions, and it only appeared if you were using a CFLOCK around the code 
attempting to duplicate the session.

Now, someone may say "but shouldn't you ALWAYS lock access to session 
variables?", and the answer is no, as discussed in a technote from mm at 
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_18235. While 
that was written for CFMX, it applies to BD as well. You still want to lock, 
but only for race conditions.

Anyway, as of 6.2.1 (due out in beta soon), you can continue to lock and 
duplicate to your heart's content. :-)

Finally, let me plead that you please bring up such issues on the BlueDragon 
Interest list. We don't always get to monitor all the traffic on CF-talk, but 
our engineers always watch and respond to issues brought up on our list. Not 
meaning to prevent discussion here, just saying that if you have an urgent need 
for support, you're MUCH better asking there, and of course, it's free.

/charlie

>OK, I think I have figured this out by using 'StructCopy' instead of
>'Duplicate'. Do we have any Bluedragon guru's on this forum who could help
>me out with a number of issues that I have with trying to migrate to
>Bluedragon?
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Andy Mcshane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: 31 October 2005 17:38
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Blue Dragon and Fusebox
>
>Did you ever get a solution to this? I too am having the same problem with a
>fusebox 4.1 app running on Bluedragon 6.2 .NET that is choking when trying
>to execute the following code
>
> 
>
>It just seems to be a problem with the 'duplicate' function?

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Re: How to recognize robots

[Bryan Stevenson]

they are made of metal and are full of wires and gyros and stuff 
(sorry...been kiling me all day not to send that...carry on) ;-)

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Re: How to recognize robots

[Kay Smoljak]

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> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns/

An updated, even lighter-weight version of those menus is outlined here:
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They are the only dropdowns we use now.

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RE: How to recognize robots

[Brian Peddle]

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns/

Also google accessible css dropdowns there are a ton.  Everything in that
book is out there.

-Original Message-
From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 5:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: How to recognize robots

On 10/31/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This might help
>
> http://www.the-robotman.com/

Help to tell me how I can get a life-size Robby the Robot? (which by
the way I wouldn't mind having but its SOT :-) )

Dave, thanks for the css link.  I might pick that book up.  I have
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Re: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

[Raymond Camden]

I didn't test much with IE6 - so I'm not surprised. Can I make a
request though - would you mind posting this to the LHP support
forums?

On 10/31/05, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I get some really strange placement of the forms. For example if I click on
> 'Users' the form shows up on the right hand side of the screen but with a
> huge tan space between it and the text labeled "Use the form below to select
> a user to modify. You may also add a new user or delete an existing user."
> The size of the space I get is equal to about the size of the left hand
> menu. This is in IE6
>
> On 10/31/05, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Lighthouse Pro, my CF bug tracking application, formally of the DRK,
> > is now free for all. More info and a download here:
> >
> > http://ray.camdenfamily.com/projects/lhp
> >
> > Enjoy the bug-tracking goodness (almost as good as chocalate maybe...)
> >
> > --
> > ===
> > Raymond Camden, Director of Development for Mindseye, Inc (
> > www.mindseye.com )
> >
> > Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
> >
> > Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Blog : ray.camdenfamily.com 
> > Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster
> >
> > "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: How to recognize robots

[Matt Robertson]

On 10/31/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This might help
>
> http://www.the-robotman.com/

Help to tell me how I can get a life-size Robby the Robot? (which by
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Re: Time Block

[Roberto Perez]

At 09:22 AM 10/31/2005, Justin D. Scott wrote:

>  Perhaps one of the fields from
>the DB has an invalid value such as a null or blank string or something?  If
>you post the error here it may help uncover the issue.


I did more "narrowing down" to see where the problem was exactly. I 
replaced all my variables with straight numbers, and the code worked. On 
further comparison with the example in the DW Help file, I noticed the 
values for day were 00-23, and for minutes and seconds it was 00-59. Since 
I had my time set to 24:00:00, CF did not like that format. Changing the 
time to 23:59:59 or 00:00:00 makes the code work (I guess you don't say 
24:02:10 ?). I'll also have to change the values for day and month, which 
out of habit I started at 00.

I wish there had been an error message to catch that detail.

Thanks for the help,

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RE: Track CF errors

[Bobby Hartsfield]

Yes, use the cferror tag to handle the errors. Put the cferror tag in your
application.cfm, in your error handling template, put a cfmail tag that send
you all of the error information. (there will be a structure called error)

There was a recent discussion on error handling that involved storing the
error information in the applications database and sending a "You have
errors" email to let you know to check the databse. It was a little more in
depth than that but worth looking into. I personally thought it was an
excellent idea.


 
..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
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Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 4:47 PM
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Subject: Track CF errors

Hello !!

I am using CFMX 6.1 on Debian. Does anybody know a solution that coldfusion
send very error to my e-mail address?

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RE: How to recognize robots

[Snake]

This might help

http://www.the-robotman.com/

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Dave Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 31 October 2005 21:59
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: How to recognize robots

Try this, which is really a resource site for a book of the same name. And
look for the link to CSS-Driven Drop-Down Menus

http://more.ericmeyeroncss.com/



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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 4:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: How to recognize robots


On 10/31/05, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, and this is why the best dynamic menu systems nowadays use pure 
> UL/LI lists for the menu items and links, and JS only for the layout, 
> so that search engines do not hit a wall.

Do you have a particular favorite in mind for this sort of menu?  A
drop-down that uses css, I mean.  Opencube does this but the links are all
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Problems with sessions in CF 5

[Ali Awan]

I am trying to track down an error I receive in an app written in CF 5.

 

This is an error that happens very rarely.  In addition a user may only ever
receive the error once, but then never again.  Meaning, the same use will
not encounter the error again.  

 

What is happening is that I have a page that sets a session variable and has
a form which submits to page2.

Then on page2 the session variables that were set on page1 were never
defined.  

Page 2 sets more session variables and then submits to page 3, and on page 3
the session variables that were set on page 2 are not defined either.

 

If anybody has any ideas I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,

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RE: How to recognize robots

[Dave Francis]

Try this, which is really a resource site for a book of the same name. And
look for the link to CSS-Driven Drop-Down Menus

http://more.ericmeyeroncss.com/



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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 4:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: How to recognize robots


On 10/31/05, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, and this is why the best dynamic menu systems nowadays use pure
> UL/LI lists for the menu items and links, and JS only for the layout, so
> that search engines do not hit a wall.

Do you have a particular favorite in mind for this sort of menu?  A
drop-down that uses css, I mean.  Opencube does this but the links are
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Infinite Menus

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Track CF errors

[Daniel Hikel]

Hello !!

I am using CFMX 6.1 on Debian. Does anybody know a solution that coldfusion
send very error to my e-mail address?

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Re: How to recognize robots

[Matt Robertson]

On 10/31/05, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, and this is why the best dynamic menu systems nowadays use pure
> UL/LI lists for the menu items and links, and JS only for the layout, so
> that search engines do not hit a wall.

Do you have a particular favorite in mind for this sort of menu?  A
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Infinite Menus

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JRun cluster (one set of source files)

[Tony]

Hi there...

I currently have a JRun cluster working, and am trying to make it so
that i have one
set of files for the code running the application.  I was able to make
it so that
they both have the same "Document root" but that doesnt seem to do the trick.
It seems like the server wants to pull the files from the original WAR directory
from when we first set it up.

any help is appreciated!

thanks
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Re: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

[Aaron Rouse]

I get some really strange placement of the forms. For example if I click on
'Users' the form shows up on the right hand side of the screen but with a
huge tan space between it and the text labeled "Use the form below to select
a user to modify. You may also add a new user or delete an existing user."
The size of the space I get is equal to about the size of the left hand
menu. This is in IE6

On 10/31/05, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Lighthouse Pro, my CF bug tracking application, formally of the DRK,
> is now free for all. More info and a download here:
>
> http://ray.camdenfamily.com/projects/lhp
>
> Enjoy the bug-tracking goodness (almost as good as chocalate maybe...)
>
> --
> ===
> Raymond Camden, Director of Development for Mindseye, Inc (
> www.mindseye.com )
>
> Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
>
> Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Blog : ray.camdenfamily.com 
> Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster
>
> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
>
> 

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RE: Grab Iframe data

[Eric Hoffman]

That looks about right, thanks everyone!   Will play with it.   You find
results on google, but sometimes you have to double check with the experts
here.  :)

Eric 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 3:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Grab Iframe data

Yeah, you bet, as long as both documents are from the same website. 
I'm not sure exactly the syntax without seeing the code, but it should be
something like window.iframeName.document.getElementById("fieldId").value

cheers,
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> I assume this can't be done, as it would be too great if I could.
>
> I have a CF page with a form...and at the top there is an iframe with 
> a form that is HTML...when I submit the main page form, can I somehow 
> reference that loaded document in the iframe and grab a form variable 
> there?  By Iframe name?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>
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ANN: CF YODEL now available

[Jim Davis]

I've (finally) finished my CF implementation of the YODEL (Yet another Open
Data Exchange Language).  The implementation is a CFMX 7+ CFC (the
implementation takes advantage of 7+ only XML processing).

YODEL is an XML dialect designed to ease the passing of structured data.
Pairing the CF and the JavaScript YODEL implementations can greatly ease
AJAX-style development.

Some features of the CFC:

+) Full support for the entire YODEL spec (including metadata).

+) Automatic metadata generation for (compatible) queries.

+) Automatic serialization and deserialization of query custom types.

+) Simple implementation for assigning custom handlers to handle custom
types.

The CFC and documentation is here (you might consider this "beta" for now...
I'm the only one who's tested this):

http://www.depressedpress.com/Content/Development/ColdFusion/Extensions/DP_Y
ODEL/Index.cfm

Information about YODEL is here:

http://www.depressedpress.com/Content/Development/YODEL/Index.cfm

I'm sure there are numerous opportunities to enhance the performance of this
(my focus at this point was to meet the needs of the specifications and
reliability... not performance).  Feel free to dig through and suggest
improvements.

For diggers there's also some interesting code in there.  I'll probably pull
some of it out as separate components (especially the iso8601 datatime
handlers).

I'm also very interested in extending YODEL to other implementations.  I've
love to have a native Java version first (which would let me create a faster
CFC version by leveraging the native Java Class) but of course any other
implementation is more than welcome.

My next step will be to add some of the features of the CF library to the
JavaScript library.  Following that I'll be creating CFC-abstractions
(metadata creation at the very least) for the YODEL parser.

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RE: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

[Andy Matthews]

Ah...

Bummer. I should have known. I'll just have to wait another year or so for
my boss to upgrade our servers.

:)



-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released


I will update the project page to say CFMX7.

On 10/31/05, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems to indicate that it's released for CFMX. It doesn't specifically
> state that it's MX 7.
>


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Re: Grab Iframe data

[Barney Boisvert]

Yeah, you bet, as long as both documents are from the same website. 
I'm not sure exactly the syntax without seeing the code, but it should
be something like
window.iframeName.document.getElementById("fieldId").value

cheers,
barneyb

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> I assume this can't be done, as it would be too great if I could.
>
> I have a CF page with a form...and at the top there is an iframe with a form
> that is HTML...when I submit the main page form, can I somehow reference
> that loaded document in the iframe and grab a form variable there?  By
> Iframe name?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>
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Re: Grab Iframe data

[Ben Doom]

You can use JavaScript to pull the data from the iframe to the 
submitting form using an onsubmit() action.

--Ben

Eric Hoffman wrote:
> I assume this can't be done, as it would be too great if I could.
>  
> I have a CF page with a form...and at the top there is an iframe with a form
> that is HTML...when I submit the main page form, can I somehow reference
> that loaded document in the iframe and grab a form variable there?  By
> Iframe name?
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

[Katz, Dov B \(IT\)]

I thought application.cfc's only worked on cfmx7 

That being said, how much work would it be to refactor the app.cfc for
cfmx6.1, and has anyone done that? 

-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 3:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

It seems to indicate that it's released for CFMX. It doesn't
specifically state that it's MX 7.



-Original Message-
From: Katz, Dov B (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released


Has anyone hacked / adapted the code for use on pre cfmx7?  Im still on
6.1 for the time being

-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

Lighthouse Pro, my CF bug tracking application, formally of the DRK, is
now free for all. More info and a download here:

http://ray.camdenfamily.com/projects/lhp

Enjoy the bug-tracking goodness (almost as good as chocalate
maybe...)

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Re: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

[George Abraham]

I do second the "too lazy to write SQL code if I don't have to." I have
recently had the luxury of having in my team a person who is more DB-aware
than I am. So now I just write library CFCs that have functions that call
the SPs. Periodically when I see that there is a one-off query that really
does not need to be an SP, then I write it myself. The decision to do this
is totally subjective though. I would be interested in seeing if there are
really objective reasons to convert some 'inline' queries to SPs. For
example, how does one decide if the following inline queries are to be
coverted to SPs:
1. A query that returns a list of FileTypes from a table FileType that
populates the cffile 'accept' attribute.
2. A query that returns a particular record to display it in the browser. So
it is a simple 'SELECT * FROM SomeTable WHERE SomeTableID = 'whatever(with
cfquerparam)'
3. A query that has to update a table Order_Item (say) with OrderID and
ItemID, but first has to delete all the relevant ItemIDs for a particular
OrderID before running the update (actually new inserts).

Sorry if any of the above does not make sense. It's been a long day already.

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Re: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

[Raymond Camden]

I will update the project page to say CFMX7.

On 10/31/05, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems to indicate that it's released for CFMX. It doesn't specifically
> state that it's MX 7.
>


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Grab Iframe data

[Eric Hoffman]

I assume this can't be done, as it would be too great if I could.
 
I have a CF page with a form...and at the top there is an iframe with a form
that is HTML...when I submit the main page form, can I somehow reference
that loaded document in the iframe and grab a form variable there?  By
Iframe name?
 
Thanks!
 
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RE: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

[Andy Matthews]

It seems to indicate that it's released for CFMX. It doesn't specifically
state that it's MX 7.



-Original Message-
From: Katz, Dov B (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released


Has anyone hacked / adapted the code for use on pre cfmx7?  Im still on
6.1 for the time being

-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

Lighthouse Pro, my CF bug tracking application, formally of the DRK, is
now free for all. More info and a download here:

http://ray.camdenfamily.com/projects/lhp

Enjoy the bug-tracking goodness (almost as good as chocalate
maybe...)

--
===
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RE: SMS Pull Technology

[Munson, Jacob]

If you can move to CFMX 7, and use the event gateways, they've got SMS
support built in.  The demos I've seen are pretty sweet.  So people
could send an SMS message and get a response from your CF server.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Henderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:34 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: SMS Pull Technology
> 
> Hi all
> 
> We have a La Crosse weather station on one of our servers running CF5
> and I am using Coldfusion to read from a generated text file 
> (updated by
> the station every 30 minutes) and send sms messages to certain cell
> phone numbers. What I really want to be able to do is move 
> from push to
> pull technology, and have Coldfusion automatically reply if a certain
> message subject is sent 
> i.e. if someone sends a message with the subject line "?" to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], I would like [EMAIL PROTECTED] to read 
> from the above
> mentioned text file and reply with the latest data. In the 
> nutshell, it
> seems like some kind of auto responder should do the trick, maybe. Any
> ideas for achieving something like this? I've been looking at cfpop as
> one possible solution, but really I'm not sure where to start.
> 
> TIA
> Mark


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Re: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

[Raymond Camden]

Fixed, thanks.

On 10/31/05, Alan Rother <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Ray,
>  The app looks awesome, as always. And thank you for providing it free to
> the community, but the link in you blog is broken. The one in the right hand
> nav bar under downloads works, but the one you reference in this paragraph
>  >>>Lighthouse Pro is a ColdFusion bug tracking application. It lets you
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SMS Pull Technology

[Mark Henderson]

Hi all

We have a La Crosse weather station on one of our servers running CF5
and I am using Coldfusion to read from a generated text file (updated by
the station every 30 minutes) and send sms messages to certain cell
phone numbers. What I really want to be able to do is move from push to
pull technology, and have Coldfusion automatically reply if a certain
message subject is sent 
i.e. if someone sends a message with the subject line "?" to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], I would like [EMAIL PROTECTED] to read from the above
mentioned text file and reply with the latest data. In the nutshell, it
seems like some kind of auto responder should do the trick, maybe. Any
ideas for achieving something like this? I've been looking at cfpop as
one possible solution, but really I'm not sure where to start.

TIA
Mark

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Re: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

[Alan Rother]

Hey Ray,
 The app looks awesome, as always. And thank you for providing it free to
the community, but the link in you blog is broken. The one in the right hand
nav bar under downloads works, but the one you reference in this paragraph
 >>>Lighthouse Pro is a ColdFusion bug tracking application. It lets you
easily track bugs and issues for a project. This is *much* more useful than
>>>simply sharing emails. With Lighthouse Pro, you can monitor the complete
life cycle of an issue, from creation to QA to closure. Lighthouse >>>Pro is
a database-driven version of my earlier bug tracker,
Lighthouse.

 Is broken
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Re: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

[Raymond Camden]

Be sure to consider the Nano, it's only a few hunded dollars. ;)
(Sorry to OT - I'll shut up now. :)

On 10/31/05, Mike | NZSolutions Ltd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey this looks great ray. Thank you so much. I will definitely be having
> a look at your amazon wishlist.
>
> And happy halloween to everyone else. We had 1 trick or treater come to
> our house in auckland and they were not even dressed up! So we ate all
> the chocolates we had ourselves - it is a tough life !!
>
> mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dawson, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2005 9:03 a.m.
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released
>
>
> This will come in quite handy when we start rebuilding our intranet
> site.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:40 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released
>
> Lighthouse Pro, my CF bug tracking application, formally of the DRK, is
> now free for all. More info and a download here:
>
> http://ray.camdenfamily.com/projects/lhp
>
> Enjoy the bug-tracking goodness (almost as good as chocalate
> maybe...)
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

[Katz, Dov B \(IT\)]

Has anyone hacked / adapted the code for use on pre cfmx7?  Im still on
6.1 for the time being 
 

-Original Message-
From: Mike | NZSolutions Ltd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 3:20 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

Hey this looks great ray. Thank you so much. I will definitely be having
a look at your amazon wishlist.

And happy halloween to everyone else. We had 1 trick or treater come to
our house in auckland and they were not even dressed up! So we ate all
the chocolates we had ourselves - it is a tough life !!

mike

-Original Message-
From: Dawson, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2005 9:03 a.m.
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released


This will come in quite handy when we start rebuilding our intranet
site.

Thanks! 

-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

Lighthouse Pro, my CF bug tracking application, formally of the DRK, is
now free for all. More info and a download here:

http://ray.camdenfamily.com/projects/lhp

Enjoy the bug-tracking goodness (almost as good as chocalate
maybe...)

--
===
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Re: Modify class file w/o having to restart CF service

[Barney Boisvert]

Is your CFX in a JAR or class files?  It seems rational that it'd only
apply to class files in the classes directory, not JARs.  The reason I
say that is because it's designed for in-server development, where
you're probably not packaging into a JAR (because that takes time). 
Not to mention avoiding the check for JARs will make things quite a
bit faster, I'd wager

cheers,
barneyb

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>  >>true
> true
>
> I've tried this, but at least for Java CFXs, it just does not work.
>
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RE: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

[Mike | NZSolutions Ltd]

Hey this looks great ray. Thank you so much. I will definitely be having
a look at your amazon wishlist.

And happy halloween to everyone else. We had 1 trick or treater come to
our house in auckland and they were not even dressed up! So we ate all
the chocolates we had ourselves - it is a tough life !!

mike

-Original Message-
From: Dawson, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2005 9:03 a.m.
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released


This will come in quite handy when we start rebuilding our intranet
site.

Thanks! 

-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

Lighthouse Pro, my CF bug tracking application, formally of the DRK, is
now free for all. More info and a download here:

http://ray.camdenfamily.com/projects/lhp

Enjoy the bug-tracking goodness (almost as good as chocalate
maybe...)

--
===
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Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)

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RE: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

[Dawson, Michael]

This will come in quite handy when we start rebuilding our intranet
site.

Thanks! 

-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

Lighthouse Pro, my CF bug tracking application, formally of the DRK, is
now free for all. More info and a download here:

http://ray.camdenfamily.com/projects/lhp

Enjoy the bug-tracking goodness (almost as good as chocalate
maybe...)

--
===
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re: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released

[dave]

As always, thanks ray :)

~Dave the disruptor~
"Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and 
abuse at the same time." 


From: Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:48 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Happy Halloween - Lighthouse Pro released 

Lighthouse Pro, my CF bug tracking application, formally of the DRK,
is now free for all. More info and a download here:

http://ray.camdenfamily.com/projects/lhp

Enjoy the bug-tracking goodness (almost as good as chocalate maybe...)

--
===
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Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)

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Re: Modify class file w/o having to restart CF service

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>true
true

I've tried this, but at least for Java CFXs, it just does not work.

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RE: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

Hey,

Well, it can vary on record size - from 100 to 1000K+ (when not paged) and
it is well documented that Java/CF doesnt handle large recordsets as
'efficiently' - in as far as mem usage as CF5 does - jeez, even the MM
technotes practically note: "use smaller recordsets"  -I believe it is
around 2-4x more memory with Java call than CF5 used.

But when it comes to returning several recordsets (when there is absolutely
no problem with it in QA) - CF can freak (or probably the driver does!); it
can sometimes just bomb out with no error.

There are good sides and downsides of using T-SQL SP's over inline - and I
suppose we should be thankful we are not on the ASP and the go awful way it
uses ADO ;-)

I just prefer SP's for portability from a SQL perspective in our various
languages such as .NET, I also like the way it reduces the amount of
CFQueries I have to write...as like most, I am just too damn lazy to code
more than I have to ;-)



-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts
To: CF-Talk
Sent: 31/10/2005 16:50
Subject: RE: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

> This is through experience; try and run some CPU intensive 
> processes and see how badly the DataDirect driver performs

I'm not sure what you mean by "CPU-intensive", since most of the work is
being done by the database. Are you simply referring to large
recordsets? If
so, are you also saying that fetching those same recordsets using inline
SQL
performs better? Again, this has not been my experience at all (so far -
perhaps I've been lucky). Also, when you say "large recordsets", how
much
data are you talking about? Again, I'm not trying to be critical - you
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RE: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not installed?

[Nick Han]

Andrew, I had a similar problem after I installed cfmx7.  Try re-running
ColdFusion MX Configuration and Settings Wizard.  You will have to
change the adminconfig.xml file.

http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_19373

-Original Message-
From: Peterson, Andrew S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:12 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not installed?

Hi,
 
I'm trying to figure out why upon accessing the CF Administrator for the
first time after re-install of CFMX 7 Enterprise  on Win2K3 I'm getting
a JRun Closed Connection error, and noticed that the ODBC Agent and ODBC
Server Services are not shown at all in Start > Control Panel >
Administrative Tools > Services. Is this a symptom or a cause of the
problem? The reason for the CFMX 7 reinstall was due to an OS upgrade
from Win2K to Win2K3. Worked fine until then.
 
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RE: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

[Justin D. Scott]

> There's no reason you can't get the exact same result
> using exception handling as you're doing now using
> conditional logic. 

I like to think of it as pre-exception handling :)


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RE: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

[Dave Watts]

> I prefer that ColdFusion not need to throw exceptions at all 
> if I can help it. I'd rather my sites not look like myspace.com 
> with a basic "there was an error" screen. If I can find the error 
> in advance through scrubbing or validation, I'd rather handle it 
> my own way.

There's no reason you can't get the exact same result using exception
handling as you're doing now using conditional logic. Handling invalid data
is right in line with what exceptions are all about.

I'm not trying to get you to change what you're doing, which seems to work
well enough, just to point out that exception handling isn't as limited as
you imply.

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RE: Blue Dragon and Fusebox

[Andy McShane]

OK, I think I have figured this out by using 'StructCopy' instead of
'Duplicate'. Do we have any Bluedragon guru's on this forum who could help
me out with a number of issues that I have with trying to migrate to
Bluedragon?

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Sent: 31 October 2005 17:38
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Blue Dragon and Fusebox

Did you ever get a solution to this? I too am having the same problem with a
fusebox 4.1 app running on Bluedragon 6.2 .NET that is choking when trying
to execute the following code

 

It just seems to be a problem with the 'duplicate' function?



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RE: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

[Justin D. Scott]

> I guess I don't see the time spent to write a CFQUERYPARAM
> tag as a significant addition of expense.

It's not, and at this point I do use them pretty much by default in addition
to input scrubbing.

> Also, if you pass an invalid data value to a CFQUERYPARAM
> tag, CF will prevent the query from running. So, you
> could easily do the same sort of thing just using
> CFQUERYPARAM and an exception handler, which will provide
> the extra benefit of better performance.

I prefer that ColdFusion not need to throw exceptions at all if I can help
it.  I'd rather my sites not look like myspace.com with a basic "there was
an error" screen.  If I can find the error in advance through scrubbing or
validation, I'd rather handle it my own way.  Just a personal preference I
suppose.


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Re: Blue Dragon and Fusebox

[Andy Mcshane]

Did you ever get a solution to this? I too am having the same problem with a 
fusebox 4.1 app running on Bluedragon 6.2 .NET that is choking when trying to 
execute the following code

 

It just seems to be a problem with the 'duplicate' function?

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Re: Modify class file w/o having to restart CF service

[Barney Boisvert]

JRun has a couple settings to allow this.  I'm not sure exactly how
they work, but they go in jrun-web.xml in your WEB-INF directory. 
Check the JRun docs for details, but I believe it's just:

true
true

You'll only need the former, since you're compiling your Java elsewhere.

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> I'm creating classes to use in my apps but I need to find a way keep from 
> having to restart the CF service everytime I make a change to the class file?
> We have several developers working on one machine so it isn't feasible to 
> restart the CF service everytime a small edit is made to a class file.
> I write my java code to have a main function so I can compile and test on my 
> machine before putting it on the CF machine, but even then restarts are too 
> numerous and inconvenience other developers too much.
>
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Re: Blue Dragon and Fusebox

[Andy Mcshane]

Did you ever get a solution to this? I too am having the same problem with a 
fusebox 4.1 app running on Bluedragon 6.2 .NET that is choking when trying to 
execute the following code

 

It just seems to be a problem with the 'duplicate' function?

> Okay, we have made some progress on this BlueDragon issue. 
> 
> When we try to call just the index.cfm without a fuseaction, the error 
> changes. The new error we are running into is listed below, and the 
> code causing the error is listed below that. 
> 
> I could be wrong, but it appears BlueDragon does not treat the CF 
> application scope as a structure, at least not when it is in a CFLOCK. 
> 
> 
> Is anyone else copying the application scope to a request variable in 
> BlueDragon?
> 
> Anyways:
> 
>  Error -
> Request /web/index.cfm
> File Trace C:/Program Files/New 
> Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/web/index.cfm
> |
> +-- C:/Program Files/New 
> Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/web/fbx_fusebox30_CF50.cfm

> |

> +-- C:/Program Files/New 
> Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/web/fbx_Settings.cfm
> 
> Type Application
> Message General Runtime Error
> Tag Context CFPROCESSINGDIRECTIVE: Line=22; Column=7
> |
> +-- CFINCLUDE: Line=26; Column=1

> |

> +-- CFPROCESSINGDIRECTIVE: Line=1; Column=37

> |

> +-- CFTRY: Line=158; Column=1

> |

> +-- CFINCLUDE: Line=159; Column=2

> |

> +-- CFSILENT: Line=10; Column=1

> |

> +-- CFLOCK: Line=23; Column=1

> |

> +-- CFSCRIPT: Line=24; Column=2
> Detail Could not duplicate this variable. Check the variable does not 
> contain references to complex types such as Java objects
> Extended Info 
> Source 21:   }
> 22: 
> 23: 
> 24:   
> 25: if(isdefined("application")){
> ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source
> 
> - Code -
> 
> 
 
> if(isdefined("frm_logout_user")){
  
> structdelete(session,'user');
  
> request.deleted_userinfo = 1;
 
> }
 
> if(isdefined("session")){
  
> structinsert(request, "session", duplicate(session));
 
> }
 
> if(not isdefined("attributes.fuseaction")){
  
> structinsert(attributes, "fuseaction", "home.main");
 
> }
> 
> 
 
> 
  
> if(isdefined("application")){
   
> structinsert(request, "application", duplicate(application));
  
> }
 
> 
> 
> 
> - End Error and Code -
> 
> M
> 
> >Vince - 
> > 
> >Thanks for the response.
> > 
> >I think the problem is more complicated than that, createObject() is 
> not
> >used anywhere in the code.
> > 
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Re: OT: CSS editor for Eclipse

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MyEclipse.  30 bucks a year for a whole slew of useful tools,
including a CSS editor.  JS, XML/XSL, HTML, SQL, etc. editors.  DB
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> Eclipse. Plus it hasn't had any one work on it since mid 2004.
>
> Any other suggestions?
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Re: How to recognize robots

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>So a rollover script using JS would be a wall for the search engines?

Depends it if relies on JS to create and to open the links.
Personnally, I use a menu with only UL, LI and >I've talked to few people that manage PPC accounts as their sole 
business
(biased) and they keep telling me SEO is dying in Google for generic terms
so there isn't a point in using SEO.  Any truth to this?

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Modify class file w/o having to restart CF service

[Jeff S]

I'm creating classes to use in my apps but I need to find a way keep from 
having to restart the CF service everytime I make a change to the class file?
We have several developers working on one machine so it isn't feasible to 
restart the CF service everytime a small edit is made to a class file.
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machine before putting it on the CF machine, but even then restarts are too 
numerous and inconvenience other developers too much.

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Re: Free Installation Support - Where?

[John Dowdell]

Peterson, Andrew S. wrote:
> I'm having trouble locating the link to the free installation support
> given by Macromedia. Does anyone have a link or an email address?
> Thanks. 

Via http://www.macromedia.com/support:
http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/complimentary/main.cgi

(That's a forms-based email interface, because of the damage done to raw 
email addresses over the years.

In a formal support contact they'll need to first check the results of 
the normal troubleshooting/diagnostics test, so running through the 
installation technotes first will save you time overall.

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Re: How to recognize robots

[Matthew Blatchley]

So a rollover script using JS would be a wall for the search engines?

I've talked to few people that manage PPC accounts as their sole business 
(biased) and they keep telling me SEO is dying in Google for generic terms 
so there isn't a point in using SEO.  Any truth to this?

I currently use http://inventory.overture.com/d/searchinventory/suggestion/ 
to test out keyword demand in the PPC engines and then apply the result to 
SEO on the site targeting the words that have demand.  But I can't get the 
top listings in Google unless I use much more targeted keyword/phrases in 
titles and links etc.

Any thoughts?

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> >>This is pretty much the case not just for email harvesters, but for
> search
> engines in general. Very few can evaluate JavaScript for indexing 
> purposes.
>
> Yes, and this is why the best dynamic menu systems nowadays use pure
> UL/LI lists for the menu items and links, and JS only for the layout, so
> that search engines do not hit a wall.
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Re: How to recognize robots

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>This is pretty much the case not just for email harvesters, but for 
search
engines in general. Very few can evaluate JavaScript for indexing purposes.

Yes, and this is why the best dynamic menu systems nowadays use pure 
UL/LI lists for the menu items and links, and JS only for the layout, so 
that search engines do not hit a wall.

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Re: How to recognize robots

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>So the basic idea behind Wpoison is to trap unwary and badly engineered
address harvesting web crawlers, and to fool them into adding enormous
quantities of completely bogus e-mail addresses to the E-mail address
data bases of the spammers...

Ok, but if I was an address harvester, I think I would set some limit 
per site, no?

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RE: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

[Dave Watts]

> This is through experience; try and run some CPU intensive 
> processes and see how badly the DataDirect driver performs

I'm not sure what you mean by "CPU-intensive", since most of the work is
being done by the database. Are you simply referring to large recordsets? If
so, are you also saying that fetching those same recordsets using inline SQL
performs better? Again, this has not been my experience at all (so far -
perhaps I've been lucky). Also, when you say "large recordsets", how much
data are you talking about? Again, I'm not trying to be critical - you may
very well be right about this.

> - it a good driver for sure, but it ain't the best, in fact 
> I am yet to find a really good one - I haven't really tested 
> the BD connector - maybe that it better.

BlueDragon on Java uses New Atlanta's own JTurbo driver to talk to SQL
Server, I think. This is supposed to be a very good driver, but I have very
little experience with it so far. On .NET, of course, I suspect they simply
use the native ADO.NET stuff provided by Microsoft.

> I am also not sure if its CF or the DataDirect driver on this 
> one but if you try and return multiple recordsets (BLOB/CLOB) 
> it will simply stop responding - seems like on an SP with 
> around 8-10 large recordsets returned it will just fall over.

That may also be the case. I have no idea, simply because I've never had a
need to have a single procedure returning that many recordsets.

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Re: is onRequestEnd.cfm executed after CFABORT?

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 >>no it isn't.

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Re: OT: CSS editor for Eclipse

[Phill B]

Well it looks like this doesn't work with the newest version of
Eclipse. Plus it hasn't had any one work on it since mid 2004.

Any other suggestions?

On 10/30/05, Phill B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I cant seem to get it to do anything for me except open a CSS file. Am
> I missing some thing or maybe some thing I need to configure? I'm
> still new to Eclipse so who know what I may be doing wrong.
>
> On 10/30/05, Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > check csseditor.sourceforge.net
> >
> > I haven't used it in a while (prefering the one included in
> > MyEclipse), but it used to, and it worked well enough.
> >
> > cheers,
> > barneyb
> >
> > On 10/30/05, Phill B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Is there a good CSS editor for Eclipse? I downloaded one and all it
> > > seemed to do was set Eclipse to be the default editor of css files.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Phil
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RE: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

[Dave Watts]

> > Since CFQUERYPARAM also generally provides a performance
> > benefit, why wouldn't you just use that? What do you see
> > as the advantage of your data scrubbing?
> 
> It depends on the project. If the variables are scrubbed from the
> beginning, some basic error checking can be run that would 
> act before the query is even run. For example, if you have a 
> product detail page that is expecting a product ID...
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Now you've guaranteed that there will be some value to pass 
> to the query, and If someone tries to get tricky with a SQL 
> injection attack, they get booted to the home page before the 
> query is ever run. For most of my projects I use a combination 
> of input scrubbing and SQL optimization (QUERYPARAM and SPs 
> where needed).
> 
> As with anything else, what you do depends on how the application 
> will be used, what kind of traffic you're expecting, and how much 
> time and money the client wants to throw at it.

I guess I don't see the time spent to write a CFQUERYPARAM tag as a
significant addition of expense. Also, if you pass an invalid data value to
a CFQUERYPARAM tag, CF will prevent the query from running. So, you could
easily do the same sort of thing just using CFQUERYPARAM and an exception
handler, which will provide the extra benefit of better performance.

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RE: How to recognize robots

[Dawson, Michael]

The email addresses don't look to be very valid.  They are missing the
"place". 

But, I like the concept.  ;^)

M!ke

-Original Message-
From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:27 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: How to recognize robots

> Ok, but my point is WHY give a do not crawl command to good bots such 
> as Google?  Don't you want you site to be indexed?

It's only this one page I don't want indexed. The site this is on has
historically been in the top 5 or so on Google and Yahoo for the last
two or three years.

> I already have implemented some protection about this: the address 
> coded in the mailto: is encrypted,

Yes, I have measures set up to protect "real" email addresses on most of
my sites.

 From a wPoision description:

"It is important to note that when Wpoison is generating its randomized
bogus e-mail addresses (and also its randomized pseudo-hyper-links) it
uses an algorithm which makes the total number of different bogus e-mail
addresses and pseudo-hyper-links essentially unlimited. In effect,
Wpoison  is capable of generating an infinite number of different bogus
E-mail addresses!

So the basic idea behind Wpoison is to trap unwary and badly engineered
address harvesting web crawlers, and to fool them into adding enormous
quantities of completely bogus e-mail addresses to the E-mail address
data bases of the spammers, thus polluting those data bases so badly
that they become essentially useless, thereby putting the spammers who
are using them out of business, or at least shutting them down for a
time and causing them some major headaches while they try to clean up
the messes in their now-heavily-polluted e-mail address data bases."

Here's what it looks like if you load it in a browser (warning, will
take a few seconds to load)
http://www.columbiacityjazz.com/myEmailList.cfm

But the mainpoint here is, I hate spammers and I don't mind devoting a
little time to give them as much trouble as I can. Besides, if I'm not
alowed to have at least a little bit of evil fun, I'd go crazy.

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RE: Disregard - Free Installation Support - Where?

[Peterson, Andrew S.]

Please disregard - I just located the link.


 
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RE: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

[Dave Watts]

> And what about the security factor? I've always been under 
> the assumption that if your CF only had access to run SPs 
> you were safer from SQL injection.

Well, technically, if you are consistent in your use of CFQUERYPARAM, it
will have the same effect. However, one common approach in security is to
limit what is possible. With regard to database access, stored procedures
allow you to do a better job of this, by limiting what can go wrong in your
application code. Of course, if both the application code and the stored
procedures are written by the same (diligent) programmer, that might not
have any net effect, but in many cases that might not be true. That's one
reason why I favor stored procedures.

> I didn't know there were so many proponents for inline SQL. 
> I've just always figured MSSQL was better able to run some 
> pre-compiled execution plan in the case of an SP, over ad-hoc 
> SQL queries.

Actually, most databases can perform just as well using a prepared statement
created using CFQUERYPARAM as with a stored procedure. The execution plans
in either case can be stored and reused.

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RE: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

[Dave Watts]

> The problem with having the query come directly from ColdFusion 
> was that the query was different for each foreign key, which 
> required the SQL server to compile a new query plan (which 
> could be thousands of plans that would get cycled out of memory 
> as new ones were compiled), which took far longer than using 
> one plan (from the SP) that was cached.
> 
> Using CFQUERYPARAM on that variable may have helped, but I never 
> tested it that way. I just went directly from dynamic query to 
> stored procedure and the CF page response time went down 
> significantly because it no longer had to wait so long for 
> the SQL server to process the queries.

If you'd used CFQUERYPARAM, you'd have gotten the same results. When you use
CFQUERYPARAM, you build a prepared statement, which will create a single
execution plan that can be used by different invocations of the query with
different input values.

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Free Installation Support - Where?

[Peterson, Andrew S.]

Hi,

I'm having trouble locating the link to the free installation support
given by Macromedia. Does anyone have a link or an email address?
Thanks. 

 
Sincerely,
 
Andrew
Webmaster
Illinois Office of the Comptroller
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-Original Message-
From: Peterson, Andrew S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not installed?

I had CFMX 7 running on a Windows 2000 box. However, I cannot tell you
for certain whether it was Professional or Server. 


 
Sincerely,
 
Andrew
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-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:53 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not installed?

I just read this thread and picked up on something I am confused about.
My provider has told me CFMX 6, 6.1 and 7 has to be on
WIN2003 servers
And that is why he is running CF5 on his WIN2000 server.
Is this correct as in the thread it sounds like you had CF7 on a 2000
box.
Can you put CF5 on a 2003 box as well?


-Original Message-
From: Peterson, Andrew S.
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not installed?

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Peterson, Andrew S.
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
>> I'm trying to figure out why upon accessing the CF
Administrator for 
>> the first time after re-install of CFMX 7 Enterprise on
Win2K3 I'm 
>> getting a JRun Closed Connection error, and noticed that
the ODBC 
>> Agent and ODBC Server Services are not shown

> Did you have Java v1.4 or newer on the machine before you
reinstalled?
> That sounds very like a problem I had where I forgot to
install a JVM
before installing CF.

I installed J2RE 1.4.2_09 installed moments before the CFMX
reinstallation. Perhaps a reboot/reinstall is in order...









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RE: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

[Justin D. Scott]

> Since CFQUERYPARAM also generally provides a performance
> benefit, why wouldn't you just use that? What do you see
> as the advantage of your data scrubbing?

It depends on the project.  If the variables are scrubbed from the
beginning, some basic error checking can be run that would act before the
query is even run.  For example, if you have a product detail page that is
expecting a product ID...






Now you've guaranteed that there will be some value to pass to the query,
and If someone tries to get tricky with a SQL injection attack, they get
booted to the home page before the query is ever run.  For most of my
projects I use a combination of input scrubbing and SQL optimization
(QUERYPARAM and SPs where needed).

As with anything else, what you do depends on how the application will be
used, what kind of traffic you're expecting, and how much time and money the
client wants to throw at it.


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Re: is onRequestEnd.cfm executed after CFABORT?

[Matt Robertson]

no it isn't.  Try putting a cfdump var=#whatever# in there and then
cfabort up above it.
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RE: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

Hey Dave,

This is through experience; try and run some CPU intensive processes and see
how badly the DataDirect driver performs - it a good driver for sure, but it
ain't the best, in fact I am yet to find a really good one - I haven't
really tested the BD connector - maybe that it better.

We found that more complex operations under highload performed better using
CFQUERY on basic processes - it seemed to be that CF just seemed to queue up
requests waiting on the SP to finish/return.

I am also not sure if its CF or the DataDirect driver on this one but if you
try and return multiple recordsets (BLOB/CLOB) it will simply stop
responding - seems like on an SP with around 8-10 large recordsets returned
it will just fall over.

N





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Sent: 31 October 2005 16:14
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

> The problem with CF and inline SQL is that the DataDirect 
> driver is actually pretty good at inline SQL parsing in as
> far as speed is concerned and terrible at SP execution and 
> return ;-)

That's the first I've heard of this - do you have any numbers to back this
up? I'm not trying to be critical, I just want to learn more about this. It
doesn't really match with my experience so far.

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RE: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

[Dave Watts]

> I would agree with that, but you can be just as safe with 
> inline SQL if you scrub the variables properly. I've seen 
> people scream in horror over a query like this...
> 
> WHERE id = #url.id#
> 
> Until I point out...
> 
> 
> 
> As part of the scrubbing routine.  Guarantees a positive 
> integer value, and passes in 0 if it's a string. It's not the 
> best way, but for small sites it's quick, easy, and pretty safe.  
> CFQUERYPARAM would help also.

Since CFQUERYPARAM also generally provides a performance benefit, why
wouldn't you just use that? What do you see as the advantage of your data
scrubbing?

> Unfortunately some people are still using access databases, 
> and don't have the luxury of stored procedures.

Actually, you can call Access parameter queries from CF as if they were
stored procedures (which, essentially, I guess they are in the broad sense
of the term.) I believe Charlie Arehart wrote an article about this.

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RE: Philosophy Q: SP's or CFQUERY?

[Dave Watts]

> The problem with CF and inline SQL is that the DataDirect 
> driver is actually pretty good at inline SQL parsing in as
> far as speed is concerned and terrible at SP execution and 
> return ;-)

That's the first I've heard of this - do you have any numbers to back this
up? I'm not trying to be critical, I just want to learn more about this. It
doesn't really match with my experience so far.

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RE: How to recognize robots

[Dave Watts]

> I don't want to rain on your parade, but I'd be very 
> surprised if an email harvesting bot would be intelligent 
> enough to parse that javascript and suck up the generated 
> output. Remember that the Javascript has to be processed 
> client side.
> 
> I might be wrong though. I know people do sometimes use JS 
> document.write to protect email addresses from harvesters, 
> and it could be that some of them are keeping up in the arms 
> race.

This is pretty much the case not just for email harvesters, but for search
engines in general. Very few can evaluate JavaScript for indexing purposes.
The only product of which I'm aware that does this is Texis' Thunderstone.

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RE: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not installed?

[Peterson, Andrew S.]

I had CFMX 7 running on a Windows 2000 box. However, I cannot tell you
for certain whether it was Professional or Server. 


 
Sincerely,
 
Andrew
Webmaster
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-Original Message-
From: Terry Troxel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:53 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not installed?

I just read this thread and picked up on something I am confused about.
My provider has told me CFMX 6, 6.1 and 7 has to be on
WIN2003 servers
And that is why he is running CF5 on his WIN2000 server.
Is this correct as in the thread it sounds like you had CF7 on a 2000
box.
Can you put CF5 on a 2003 box as well?


-Original Message-
From: Peterson, Andrew S.
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not
installed?

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Peterson, Andrew S.
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
>> I'm trying to figure out why upon accessing the CF
Administrator for 
>> the first time after re-install of CFMX 7 Enterprise on
Win2K3 I'm 
>> getting a JRun Closed Connection error, and noticed that
the ODBC 
>> Agent and ODBC Server Services are not shown

> Did you have Java v1.4 or newer on the machine before you
reinstalled?
> That sounds very like a problem I had where I forgot to
install a JVM
before installing CF.

I installed J2RE 1.4.2_09 installed moments before the CFMX
reinstallation. Perhaps a reboot/reinstall is in order...







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is onRequestEnd.cfm executed after CFABORT?

[Claude Schneegans]

Hi,

Does anyone know (otherwise I'll try myself) if the onRequestEnd.cfm
template is still executed after CFABORT?

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RE: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not installed?

[Dave Watts]

> I installed J2RE 1.4.2_09 installed moments before the CFMX
> reinstallation. Perhaps a reboot/reinstall is in order...

CF always installs its own JVM. Installing a separate JVM, by itself, will
not affect CF (nor will it require a reboot).

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RE: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not installed?

[Terry Troxel]

I just read this thread and picked up on something I am
confused about.
My provider has told me CFMX 6, 6.1 and 7 has to be on
WIN2003 servers 
And that is why he is running CF5 on his WIN2000 server.
Is this correct as in the thread it sounds like you had CF7
on a 2000 box.
Can you put CF5 on a 2003 box as well?


-Original Message-
From: Peterson, Andrew S.
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not
installed?

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Peterson, Andrew S.
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
>> I'm trying to figure out why upon accessing the CF
Administrator for 
>> the first time after re-install of CFMX 7 Enterprise on
Win2K3 I'm 
>> getting a JRun Closed Connection error, and noticed that
the ODBC 
>> Agent and ODBC Server Services are not shown

> Did you have Java v1.4 or newer on the machine before you
reinstalled?
> That sounds very like a problem I had where I forgot to
install a JVM
before installing CF.

I installed J2RE 1.4.2_09 installed moments before the CFMX
reinstallation. Perhaps a reboot/reinstall is in order...





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Re: How to recognize robots

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> Ok, but my point is WHY give a do not crawl command to good bots such as 
> Google?  Don't you want you site to be indexed?

It's only this one page I don't want indexed. The site this is on has 
historically been in the top 5 or so on Google and Yahoo for the last 
two or three years.

> I already have implemented some protection about this: the address coded 
> in the mailto: is encrypted,

Yes, I have measures set up to protect "real" email addresses on most of 
my sites.

 From a wPoision description:

"It is important to note that when Wpoison is generating its randomized 
bogus e-mail addresses (and also its randomized pseudo-hyper-links) it 
uses an algorithm which makes the total number of different bogus e-mail 
addresses and pseudo-hyper-links essentially unlimited. In effect, 
Wpoison  is capable of generating an infinite number of different bogus 
E-mail addresses!

So the basic idea behind Wpoison is to trap unwary and badly engineered 
address harvesting web crawlers, and to fool them into adding enormous 
quantities of completely bogus e-mail addresses to the E-mail address 
data bases of the spammers, thus polluting those data bases so badly 
that they become essentially useless, thereby putting the spammers who 
are using them out of business, or at least shutting them down for a 
time and causing them some major headaches while they try to clean up 
the messes in their now-heavily-polluted e-mail address data bases."

Here's what it looks like if you load it in a browser (warning, will 
take a few seconds to load)
http://www.columbiacityjazz.com/myEmailList.cfm

But the mainpoint here is, I hate spammers and I don't mind devoting a 
little time to give them as much trouble as I can. Besides, if I'm not 
alowed to have at least a little bit of evil fun, I'd go crazy.




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Re: MySQL DSN

[John Paul Ashenfelter]

On 10/31/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't acxtually have any to test a sthey have all been removed from the
> server.
> But it's the standard error you get if you pass invalid login details or no
> login details at all.

I'm jumping in late here w/o all the backstory on this thread, but if
you're got a server with multiple IP addresses on it (esp Windows,
IMHO) you can sometimes get a different "address" if you're using the
netbios name instead of the IP in the datasource connection setup.
This case isn't db-specific -- I've seen it happen w/ MS-SQL as well,
but it's always on machines that have multiple IPs.

The symptoms however, are typically *random* failures of the
connection, not specifically when it's  vs .

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RE: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not installed?

[Peterson, Andrew S.]

> In the installation, you choose to install or not install the ODBC
services

I'm pretty sure I chose to install the ODBC services. I believe the
checkbox to install them is selected by default. You'd think after the
4th attempt I'd know by heart...

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RE: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not installed?

[Peterson, Andrew S.]

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Peterson, Andrew S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
>> I'm trying to figure out why upon accessing the CF Administrator for 
>> the first time after re-install of CFMX 7 Enterprise on Win2K3 I'm 
>> getting a JRun Closed Connection error, and noticed that the ODBC 
>> Agent and ODBC Server Services are not shown

> Did you have Java v1.4 or newer on the machine before you reinstalled?
> That sounds very like a problem I had where I forgot to install a JVM
before installing CF.

I installed J2RE 1.4.2_09 installed moments before the CFMX
reinstallation. Perhaps a reboot/reinstall is in order...


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Re: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not installed?

[John Paul Ashenfelter]

On 10/31/05, Peterson, Andrew S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to figure out why upon accessing the CF Administrator for the
> first time after re-install of CFMX 7 Enterprise  on Win2K3 I'm getting
> a JRun Closed Connection error, and noticed that the ODBC Agent and ODBC
> Server Services are not shown at all in Start > Control Panel >
> Administrative Tools > Services. Is this a symptom or a cause of the
> problem? The reason for the CFMX 7 reinstall was due to an OS upgrade
> from Win2K to Win2K3. Worked fine until then.

In the installation, you choose to install or not install the ODBC
services -- on the same page with choosing search server (Verity).
Maybe you just didn't install it? That seems like the most likely
possibility -- yet another reinstall would fix, though there's
probably a way to do manually...

> Sincerely,
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> 

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RE: ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not installed?

[Damien McKenna]

> -Original Message-
> From: Peterson, Andrew S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> I'm trying to figure out why upon accessing the CF Administrator
> for the first time after re-install of CFMX 7 Enterprise on Win2K3
> I'm getting a JRun Closed Connection error, and noticed that the ODBC 
> Agent and ODBC Server Services are not shown

Did you have Java v1.4 or newer on the machine before you reinstalled?
That sounds very like a problem I had where I forgot to install a JVM
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ODBC Agent and ODBC Server Services - not installed?

[Peterson, Andrew S.]

Hi,
 
I'm trying to figure out why upon accessing the CF Administrator for the
first time after re-install of CFMX 7 Enterprise  on Win2K3 I'm getting
a JRun Closed Connection error, and noticed that the ODBC Agent and ODBC
Server Services are not shown at all in Start > Control Panel >
Administrative Tools > Services. Is this a symptom or a cause of the
problem? The reason for the CFMX 7 reinstall was due to an OS upgrade
from Win2K to Win2K3. Worked fine until then.
 
Sincerely,
 
Andrew
 


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RE: MySQL DSN

[Snake]

I don't acxtually have any to test a sthey have all been removed from the
server.
But it's the standard error you get if you pass invalid login details or no
login details at all.

Russ 

-Original Message-
From: jt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 30 October 2005 21:49
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: MySQL DSN

Can you post any errors you get from CF/MySQL -- also any errors in the CF
logs?

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On 10/28/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> MySQL 4.1.13
>
> I dunno what the grant statement was as I use HELM or MySQL 
> Administrator to create the databases.
> But I have the same MySQL 4.1.13 on another server which works fine 
> with CFMX7.
>
> Russ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 28 October 2005 16:14
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MySQL DSN
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Create a MySQL DSN, put the username password into the DSN and it 
> > works fine. Pass the username/password in the code and it doesn't 
> > work.
>
> Which version of MySQL? What was the GRANT statement used to give 
> permissions to the user?
>
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>
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Re: locating a substring within a string

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>I wish to find the first instance of "To:" within the file and then 
return
that whole line up to the Chr(10) at the end

Hi, this is tipically a job for CF_REextract.
See http://www.cftagstore.com/tags/cfreextract.cfm

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Re: How to recognize robots

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 >>The only bots that ever actually hit it are spam harvestors.

Ok, I see.

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Re: Time Block

[Roberto Perez]

At 09:22 AM 10/31/2005, you wrote:

>The code looks fine as far as I can tell.  Perhaps one of the fields from
>the DB has an invalid value such as a null or blank string or something?  If
>you post the error here it may help uncover the issue.


When I print the values on the screen, all fields have a number (for month, 
day, year, etc.). Here's the error message, which does not specify what 
type of error this is:


- - - - - - error starts here - - - - - - - - -
Error Occurred While Processing Request

The Error Occurred in 
C:\CFusionMX\wwwroot\site\inCheckApplPeriodStatus.cfm: line 10

8 : 
9 : 
10 : 
11 : 
12 :

- - - - -- error ends here - - - - - - - - -  -


Also, I'm including the whole code, since sometimes the debugger in CF 
points not to the problem line, but to a few lines after where the problem 
ocurs:

- - - - - - code snippet starts here - - - - - -




 
 
 
 
 





- - - - - - code snippet ends here - - - - - - -

Thanks in advance for any pointers/suggestions as to how to format both 
dates ("Now" and "DB") for proper comparison with GTE and LTE.

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Re: How to recognize robots

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>I think his point was that good bots such as google will obey his do not
crawl command.

Ok, but my point is WHY give a do not crawl command to good bots such as 
Google?
Don't you want you site to be indexed?

 >> He is trying to annoy the scumbags who crawl websites to steal email
address so they can spam people,

I already have implemented some protection about this: the address coded 
in the mailto: is encrypted,
and an onClick function decrypts it when a human clicks on it.

 >> these jerks ignore the robots file and love to follow do not follow 
links.

I also use the revisit_after meta tag, to reduce the number of times 
pages are visited when I know they wont be modified often ( from 1 to 60 
days)
What I intent to do also, especially for those which do not obey the 
meta tag (Have already started) is:
- update a table with all different user_agents encountered,
- set some "keepOut" flag by hand for the ones I do not want,
- CFABORT all pages in the Application.cfm for all undesirable.

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