OT: How to dump data using CF FlashForms Remoting

2005-11-29 Thread Artur Kordowski
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RE: pseudo-memory leak

2005-11-29 Thread Snake
Normally you would HASH the data so it cannot be extracted and used or
changed. 

-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 November 2005 23:40
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak

Cookies are not very secure now, are they?  Lets say I was going to let the
user be logged in, and I wanted that to persist... So I would do.. 
 
Client.userId=123456

Now, the user has no way to change that... Now, lets say I store it in the
cookie... 

Cfcookie name=userId value=123456

Now, the user can examine their cookies and know their userid.  Worse, they
can change the userid, and be logged in as a different user.  

Russ 

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: pseudo-memory leak

I have never really found a need for client variables.  What benefit do they
really offer?  The only time I could see using them is when you had
something that you might think about storing in a cookie.  I rarely come
across a need like that where I dont really want a cookie,
and if I do I usually just store it in the session.   Am I missing
something there?

On 11/28/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are you still running another server on BD?  How is BD handling this
issue?

 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:38 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: pseudo-memory leak

 I've written up my thoughts on what looks like the problem that the 
 House of Fusion server was facing for the last few weeks. It's a 
 problem that probably affects others but I'm not going to comment on 
 how wide spread it is until the full write-up on Fusion Authority.
 These are just my notes and thoughts.
 http://www.blogoffusion.com/index.cfm/2005/11/28/pseudomemory-leak



 





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RE: iMS or alternatives?

2005-11-29 Thread Snake
We run an external Mdaemon Mail server that Is just used for mail posted
form web sites (i.e. cfmail, cdosys, asp email etc).
We have customers that send 100's of 1000's of mails per day, copes fine.
We also have a custom script we wrote which runs on each web server and
monitors the cfmail undelivr fodler. Every hour it will check it and if the
files are less than 24 hrs old, they are copied back to the spool, after 24
hrs they are deleted. 

-Original Message-
From: Greg Saunders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 02:00
To: CF-Talk
Subject: iMS or alternatives?

I'm ready to give up on IIS SMTP for sending large volumes of mail from CF,
and am now looking at the inFusion Mail Server
(http://www.coolfusion.com/products/ims/index.cfm).  Any opinions on this or
other solutions?

Thanks,
Greg Saunders

PS if anyone has expertise in sending email to large numbers of subscribers,
getting on whitelists, etc., and is available for some consulting, can you
please contact me off list?




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RE: SQL

2005-11-29 Thread RADEMAKERS Tanguy
1) given that you have to list all the columns in your create temporary
table as select... statement, you might as well just do

insert into customers (select myNewID, pkCUST, CUST_Fname, CUST_LName,
CUST_ZIPCode from customers where pkCUST = 37);

2) myNewID is most probably a sequence, so it should be something like
myNewID.nextval

3) no, you cannot just use * to get all the columns, because then you'd
get the existing ID as well, which you don't want.

Regards,
/t

-Original Message-
Subject: SQL
From: Cornillon, Matthieu \(Consultant\) 
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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:54:54 -0500
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threadid=43478forumid=4#225445

 Thanks for that, but is there a way to copy a whole row...

This is a snippet of code that a friend here at work sent me for
creating a whole new row from a whole old row all within SQL.  It is
Oracle-based, and I have never used it myself, but I am pretty 
sure that
it does what you want.

Say you have CUSTOMERS
pkCUST
CUST_FName
CUST_LName
CUST_ZIPCode

and you want to copy the row with pkCUST=37 into a new row of the
same table.  Then just use this sequence of SQL statements:

CREATE TEMPORARY TABLE t SELECT myNewID !---new primary key--- AS
pkCUST, CUST_Fname AS CUST_Fname, CUST_LName AS CUST_LName, 
CUST_ZIPCode
AS CUST_ZIPCode
FROM CUSTOMERS
WHERE pkCUST = 37;

INSERT INTO CUSTOMERS
SELECT * 
FROM t;

DROP TABLE t;

As I said, I have never used temporary tables, but I wish I had learned
about them long ago.  I think they are perfect for this sort of thing.
I am not sure that in the first statement you need the ColName AS
ColName statements; you might be able to just say * to get a 
copy of all
existing rows, but you'd have to test it.

Hope this helps,
Matthieu

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RE: SQL

2005-11-29 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
There is no need to use a temporary table to copy rows from table to table!?



-Original Message-
From: Cornillon, Matthieu (Consultant)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 November 2005 18:55
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL

 Thanks for that, but is there a way to copy a whole row...

This is a snippet of code that a friend here at work sent me for
creating a whole new row from a whole old row all within SQL.  It is
Oracle-based, and I have never used it myself, but I am pretty sure that
it does what you want.

Say you have CUSTOMERS
pkCUST
CUST_FName
CUST_LName
CUST_ZIPCode

and you want to copy the row with pkCUST=37 into a new row of the
same table.  Then just use this sequence of SQL statements:

CREATE TEMPORARY TABLE t SELECT myNewID !---new primary key--- AS
pkCUST, CUST_Fname AS CUST_Fname, CUST_LName AS CUST_LName, CUST_ZIPCode
AS CUST_ZIPCode
FROM CUSTOMERS
WHERE pkCUST = 37;

INSERT INTO CUSTOMERS
SELECT * 
FROM t;

DROP TABLE t;

As I said, I have never used temporary tables, but I wish I had learned
about them long ago.  I think they are perfect for this sort of thing.
I am not sure that in the first statement you need the ColName AS
ColName statements; you might be able to just say * to get a copy of all
existing rows, but you'd have to test it.

Hope this helps,
Matthieu






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Backbase

2005-11-29 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Hi All,

Not usually one for the touting of a product but Backbase
(www.backbase.com); after some gentle persuation have now created a Backbase
and ColdFusion forum for people who want / are using Backbase as an
alternative to Flex for the RIA's

It is a very nice and smart product.

N


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Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread Protoculture
Anyone here aware of potential ceiling or maximum use capability of Verity 
collections? 

Our site was using them, but after a point we found that they became sluggish 
to update. Even after reindexing them. Is there a maximum size limitation or 
maximum user limitation on these collections?

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RE: Backbase

2005-11-29 Thread Snake
Well it looks quite nice, but what is the benefit over Flex or Laszlo 

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 10:06
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Backbase

Hi All,

Not usually one for the touting of a product but Backbase
(www.backbase.com); after some gentle persuation have now created a Backbase
and ColdFusion forum for people who want / are using Backbase as an
alternative to Flex for the RIA's

It is a very nice and smart product.

N


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Re: flash forms - again

2005-11-29 Thread Paul Stewart
Ok found the problem. And it was a security issue. Just knew it would be

the /CFIDE/scripts/ needed permissions set for the specific user type that 
my host company had set up in IIS. The user type representing site users.

So Felipe i may have misunderstood you. But i just assumed by access you 
meant the standard web sharing permissions in IIS.

I think i might go back to a host that has CF support, or take up kick 
boxing in the evenings.

Paul Stewart
Site Developer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.whichfranchise.com

- Original Message - 
From: Felipe Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: flash forms - again


 Here it goes, you must have access to the /CFIDE/scripts/ directory to
 use flash forms, try ask your host, or if you have access to the web
 server alow it and it will probably wok fine.

 Felipe

 On 11/28/05, Felipe Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry, I don´t know what exactly you have to do, but every time I use
 flash form I need to ask my host to turn it on for that especific
 site, I guess it´s something about security, I´m gonna ask him what
 does he do and I´ll come back to you.

 Felipe

 On 11/28/05, Paul Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I just get blank forms throughout the application. Dumped and data is 
  all
  there, have full debugging enabled. Can see queries the lot.
 
  I have spent about 10 days building an app with flash forms. It works 
  great
  locally, But not on our live box. So it's a bit of a worry.
 
  Paul Stewart
  Site Developer
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.whichfranchise.com
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
  Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:55 PM
  Subject: Re: flash forms - again
 
 
   So what do youget? Do you get a flash form w/ no data, or nothing?
   Have you confirmed that result.clientList has data? I'd add a dump
   before the form.
  
   On 11/28/05, Paul Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Here you go. It works fine locally.
  
   cfform name=clients format=flash width=100% height=480
   cfformgroup type=panel width=200 label=Clients
   cfgrid name=cliList query=result.clientList rowheaders=no 

 cfgridcolumn name=clientName header=Client  /
   /cfgrid
   cfinput type=button name=addClient
   onClick=cliList.selectedIndex =
   undefined; resetForm(); editShow.selected = true; value=Add 
   Client/
 /cfformgroup
   /cfform
  
  
   Paul Stewart
   Site Developer
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   www.whichfranchise.com
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
   Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:27 PM
   Subject: Re: flash forms - again
  
  
Got code?
   
On 11/28/05, Paul Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cant get Flash forms to display data from a query. Anybody heard 
of
this?
   
Paul Stewart
Site Developer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.whichfranchise.com
   
   
   
   
   
  
  
  
  
 
 

 

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RE: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
250,000 collections if you are using ColdFusion enterprise.  Remember that
Verity is a dead and dying search tool.I don't expect it will be in CF8.
If you had the time and money, I would move to Lucene or try and integrate a
Full Text SQL search or alternative Enterprise level search tool.









-Original Message-
From: Protoculture [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 10:13
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Ceiling of Verity collections...

Anyone here aware of potential ceiling or maximum use capability of Verity
collections? 

Our site was using them, but after a point we found that they became
sluggish to update. Even after reindexing them. Is there a maximum size
limitation or maximum user limitation on these collections?



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RE: Backbase

2005-11-29 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Good questionIt's a difficult one to call - and really comes down to
what you want to achieve, 

 Obviously Backbase is Ajax based so you do not get the overhead of Flash
movies (but take a hit on client side RAM) it is client side and I think
that for your average CF'er it is a better entry point that Flex - the BXML
language is a pretty intuitive and it does teach you a lot about Xpath and
manipulation of the DOM. 

The beauty I like is that, unlike Flex you can mix n match scripting to
create your RIA and it all becomes available to you within the DOM/BXML DOM.
Flex obviously ties you into using a Flash movie for the whole
page.whereas Backbase you could say, OK I want Flash here and HTML here
and BXML here.all of which can be accessed and manipulated / moved etc..

If you have time, download the Community Edition, unzip and have a
play...see what you think, be interesting to see what others think.


N








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From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 11:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Backbase

Well it looks quite nice, but what is the benefit over Flex or Laszlo 

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 10:06
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Backbase

Hi All,

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(www.backbase.com); after some gentle persuation have now created a Backbase
and ColdFusion forum for people who want / are using Backbase as an
alternative to Flex for the RIA's

It is a very nice and smart product.

N


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RE: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Sorry 250,000 objects is the limit.. (i.e. rows of data)



-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 11:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ceiling of Verity collections...

250,000 collections if you are using ColdFusion enterprise.  Remember that
Verity is a dead and dying search tool.I don't expect it will be in CF8.
If you had the time and money, I would move to Lucene or try and integrate a
Full Text SQL search or alternative Enterprise level search tool.









-Original Message-
From: Protoculture [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 10:13
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Ceiling of Verity collections...

Anyone here aware of potential ceiling or maximum use capability of Verity
collections? 

Our site was using them, but after a point we found that they became
sluggish to update. Even after reindexing them. Is there a maximum size
limitation or maximum user limitation on these collections?





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jrun memory usage on multiple CFMX instances

2005-11-29 Thread George Abraham
All,
We have a Windows 2003 server that has five CFMX instances running on it
which service five different sites. The average memory usage for the
jrun.exe (when absolutely nothing is hitting the sites) is about 53MB.
Together they eat up about 300MB. Is this normal? If not, what is normal?

TIA,
George


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RE: jrun memory usage on multiple CFMX instances

2005-11-29 Thread Dave Watts
 We have a Windows 2003 server that has five CFMX instances 
 running on it which service five different sites. The average 
 memory usage for the jrun.exe (when absolutely nothing is 
 hitting the sites) is about 53MB. Together they eat up about 
 300MB. Is this normal? If not, what is normal?

That's normal in my experience.

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RE: jrun memory usage on Server

2005-11-29 Thread Kurt Kaptein
 
We just had the same thing.  We are running a very intense application on
our server - Windows 2003, 4GB RAM.  When the memory usage gets to approx
577MB jrun simply quits executing and the requests que.  Is this something I
need to do on the server or is there something with coldfusion I need to
look at?

Sincerely,
 
Kurt Kaptein

-Original Message-
From: George Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:31 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: jrun memory usage on multiple CFMX instances

All,
We have a Windows 2003 server that has five CFMX instances running on it
which service five different sites. The average memory usage for the
jrun.exe (when absolutely nothing is hitting the sites) is about 53MB.
Together they eat up about 300MB. Is this normal? If not, what is normal?

TIA,
George




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RE: jrun memory usage on multiple CFMX instances

2005-11-29 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Yep..looks normal - in fact that looks pretty good.




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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 14:06
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: jrun memory usage on multiple CFMX instances

 We have a Windows 2003 server that has five CFMX instances 
 running on it which service five different sites. The average 
 memory usage for the jrun.exe (when absolutely nothing is 
 hitting the sites) is about 53MB. Together they eat up about 
 300MB. Is this normal? If not, what is normal?

That's normal in my experience.

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Re: jrun memory usage on multiple CFMX instances

2005-11-29 Thread Douglas Knudsen
sounds normal to me.

DK

On 11/29/05, George Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 All,
 We have a Windows 2003 server that has five CFMX instances running on it
 which service five different sites. The average memory usage for the
 jrun.exe (when absolutely nothing is hitting the sites) is about 53MB.
 Together they eat up about 300MB. Is this normal? If not, what is normal?

 TIA,
 George


 

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Re: jrun memory usage on Server

2005-11-29 Thread Douglas Knudsen
could be code, third-party calls, memory etc.  Need to view your logs
to get an idea of why its happening.  Also, check out the blogs of
Pete Frietag, Steven Erat, and Robi Sen on various topics like JVM
tuning and custom logging in JRun.

DK

On 11/29/05, Kurt Kaptein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We just had the same thing.  We are running a very intense application on
 our server - Windows 2003, 4GB RAM.  When the memory usage gets to approx
 577MB jrun simply quits executing and the requests que.  Is this something I
 need to do on the server or is there something with coldfusion I need to
 look at?

 Sincerely,

 Kurt Kaptein

 -Original Message-
 From: George Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:31 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: jrun memory usage on multiple CFMX instances

 All,
 We have a Windows 2003 server that has five CFMX instances running on it
 which service five different sites. The average memory usage for the
 jrun.exe (when absolutely nothing is hitting the sites) is about 53MB.
 Together they eat up about 300MB. Is this normal? If not, what is normal?

 TIA,
 George




 

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RE: Jump to an anchor link inside an iframe

2005-11-29 Thread Andy Matthews
Matthieu...

That's what I'm doing right now, but that *should* only work for the page
containing the iframe. Because technically THAT'S the page I'm calling. I'm
just passing some extra URL vars to allow me to load the iframe page
correctly.

A friend of mine suggested that instead of passing an anchor, to pass a URL
var called anchor in the query string. Then in the iframe code, if that
variable is present, I just created a named anchor and presto. I'm getting
ready to test it out right now.

!//--
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--//-

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Subject: RE: Jump to an anchor link inside an iframe


This seems too easy an answer, so I probably missed something, but I'll
give it a try anyway.  You have page 1 currently sending variables to
page 2, which dynamically loads page 3 in an interior iframe.  Can you
not send the name of a named anchor along with it and have page 2 load
'pageThree.cfm#anchorName' instead of 'pageThree.cfm'?

HTH,
Matthieu


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incorrect pound sign (£)

2005-11-29 Thread Andy Jarrett
HELP !!!

everything was running fine until we moved to coldfusion mx (6.1) and upgraded 
our MySQL from 3.x to 4.1.

Every time we post data to a text field the pound sign shows correctly but when 
we output it using coldfsuion is appears as a 'a' symbol with a tick above it. 
when i send it to a pdf it appears as a question mark. it will not output as a 
pound sign.

Does anyone know how to correct this problem?

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Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread Raymond Camden
Verity is dead and dying? Can you back that up? Verity is a very nice
search engine and was greatly enhanced in CFMX7.

On 11/29/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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 250,000 collections if you are using ColdFusion enterprise.  Remember that
 Verity is a dead and dying search tool.I don't expect it will be in CF8.
 If you had the time and money, I would move to Lucene or try and integrate a
 Full Text SQL search or alternative Enterprise level search tool.

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Re: Cfmx 7.1 on 2.3k locking up once a day

2005-11-29 Thread Dave Ross
One thing I noticed in your thread dumps were some threads waiting on a UUID to 
be generated (the code in question is line 81 of D:\www\com\gf\ad\ad.cfc). Does 
this code get run once or more per request? Take a peek at jrpp-100 thru 
jrpp-107 in the thread dumps.

-Dave

We just rolled out mx 7.1 on win 2.3k, Fusebox 4.1. It's a simple
application, just content management with 150-200k views a day.

Without fail that mx server hangs in under 24 hours. Here is the evidence we
have found.

I started app. Server at the command line: 

When I peep'd in while it was hung it was dumping out the following:

java.lang.RuntimeException: Request timed out waiting for an available
thread to run. You may want to consider increasing the number of active
threads in the thread pool.

This is repeated, again and again. 

NOTE: found some articles suggesting ideas on this, turn of debug (done),
make sure db is responding (appears to be). Adjust some of the jrun.xml
settings (appears to already be done in 7.1)

Perf Mon. 
went back to before the crash, the only thing odd is the data seems to miss
a beat nearing the crash and some data seems off the chart. But when we
examine logs we see no burst of traffic. I exported the perf. Mon data and
don't see any bursts.

Did a stack dump while it was hung found a ton of these:

jrpp-108 prio=5 tid=0x04430d60 nid=0x1b08 in Object.wait()
[c4af000..c4afdb8]
   at java.lang.Object.wait(Native Method)
   - waiting on 0x172c0fa8 (a jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$Throttle)
   at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$Throttle.enter(ThreadPool.java:107)
   - locked 0x172c0fa8 (a jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$Throttle)
   at
jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:423
)
   at
jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:26
4)
   at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66)


Whole log: http://icc.getfused.com/out.txt


We have tried moving app. To a 2nd 7.1 and win 2.3k server.. Same issue. We
moved the db to another machine, same issue. No other sites using the db
seem to be having any issues.

Anyone have any thoughts? Im about to toss in the towel and call adobe and
burn 500.00 clams. Any help would be apprecaited, if it saves me the 500.00
then a shopping spree at Amazon could be in your future.

Thanks

gabe

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Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread Jerry Johnson
I heard just yesterday that Verity was recently bought out by a British company.

Anyone know any more about that?

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 Verity is dead and dying? Can you back that up? Verity is a very nice
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Google search appliance and Cold Fusion

2005-11-29 Thread Jerry Johnson
Does anyone have any experience/recomendations/lessons learned about
integrating a Google search appliance into a Cold Fusion server
environment serving dozens of sites and hundreds of thousands of
pages?

Thanks for any info,
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regex help :(

2005-11-29 Thread John Beynon
I'm trying to split up html paragraph p/pp/p tags into items
in an array with their contents in between the p's, I found ReSplit on
cflib.org which will do one part but it's the regex that's beating me,
I've tried p.*/p which i thought it would be but no joy,

any ideas,

thanks,

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Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread John Beynon
bought by autonomy

http://www.verity.com/company/press/releases/11042005_PR.html

jb

On 11/29/05, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I heard just yesterday that Verity was recently bought out by a British 
 company.

 Anyone know any more about that?

 On 11/29/05, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Verity is dead and dying? Can you back that up? Verity is a very nice
  search engine and was greatly enhanced in CFMX7.
 

 

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Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?

2005-11-29 Thread Ryan Guill
Hey guys,

Does anyone know a way that I can let coldfusion know if javascript is
enabled in a browser or not?  I would like to set a session variable
that tells me this so I can dynamically show a message if it is not
enabled.  I would like to be able to do this without the user having
to do anything.  We are automatically logging people in using
ntauthentication on this site, so I would like it to check during that
process and set a cf variable.

I need it to work primarily in IE 6+ but it would be nice if it worked
in FF as well.  My google searches so far this morning haven't come up
with anything that worked.

There is the noscript tag, but it isn't evaluated until the browser
gets the page and so there is no way for coldfusion to evaluate it.
Plus it doesnt seem to work in firefox or IE either anyway. Any ideas?
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Re: regex help :(

2005-11-29 Thread Ben Doom
If you are using CFMX, you can (probably) use
p.*?/p

If you are using 5 or older, it's going to be a lot tougher.
Let us know if that doesn't work.

--Ben

John Beynon wrote:
 I'm trying to split up html paragraph p/pp/p tags into items
 in an array with their contents in between the p's, I found ReSplit on
 cflib.org which will do one part but it's the regex that's beating me,
 I've tried p.*/p which i thought it would be but no joy,
 
 any ideas,
 
 thanks,
 
 john.
 
 

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Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread Raymond Camden
This certainly doesn't mean that Verity is dead and dying of course,
just like the purchase of Macromedia by Adobe doesn't mean the end of
Verity. Neil - I'd still like you to back up why you think Verity is
dying and will not be in CFMX8.

-r

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 bought by autonomy

 http://www.verity.com/company/press/releases/11042005_PR.html

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RE: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?

2005-11-29 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
You could do a JS redirect to a CF page... if the user gets there, they have
JS, else they don’t.

You could also use js httprequest to 'hit' a page behind the scene that
would set some session information to let you know rather or not they have
JS on. (if the httprequest works, they have JS, else they don’t)

 
..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
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-Original Message-
From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?

Hey guys,

Does anyone know a way that I can let coldfusion know if javascript is
enabled in a browser or not?  I would like to set a session variable
that tells me this so I can dynamically show a message if it is not
enabled.  I would like to be able to do this without the user having
to do anything.  We are automatically logging people in using
ntauthentication on this site, so I would like it to check during that
process and set a cf variable.

I need it to work primarily in IE 6+ but it would be nice if it worked
in FF as well.  My google searches so far this morning haven't come up
with anything that worked.

There is the noscript tag, but it isn't evaluated until the browser
gets the page and so there is no way for coldfusion to evaluate it.
Plus it doesnt seem to work in firefox or IE either anyway. Any ideas?
--
Ryan Guill
BlueEyesDevelopment
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.ryanguill.com
(270) 217.2399
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Re: regex help :(

2005-11-29 Thread John Beynon
yeah, I tried that one, I'm using this as my string:

pPara1/ppPara2/ppPara3/p

and i get;

array
1   [empty string]
2   pPara2/p

when i dump the results - using ReSplit(mystring,'p.*?/p')

On 11/29/05, Ben Doom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you are using CFMX, you can (probably) use
 p.*?/p

 If you are using 5 or older, it's going to be a lot tougher.
 Let us know if that doesn't work.

 --Ben

 John Beynon wrote:
  I'm trying to split up html paragraph p/pp/p tags into items
  in an array with their contents in between the p's, I found ReSplit on
  cflib.org which will do one part but it's the regex that's beating me,
  I've tried p.*/p which i thought it would be but no joy,
 
  any ideas,
 
  thanks,
 
  john.
 
 

 

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Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread John Beynon
I'd have thought if Lucene was capable of delivering the same
performance/results as Verity then MM would be foolish to ignore it -
maybe it would help get the price down a little with them not needing
to license Verity anymore

On 11/29/05, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This certainly doesn't mean that Verity is dead and dying of course,
 just like the purchase of Macromedia by Adobe doesn't mean the end of
 Verity. Neil - I'd still like you to back up why you think Verity is
 dying and will not be in CFMX8.

 -r

 On 11/29/05, John Beynon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  bought by autonomy
 
  http://www.verity.com/company/press/releases/11042005_PR.html
 
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cfqueryparam and temp tables

2005-11-29 Thread Dave Phillips
Hi,

I'm on CFMX 7 with updater installed and my db is Informix 10

Okay, here's the deal...when I create a temp table, do a select insert into 
that table, and then later, if I do a select on that temp table, join a 
permanent table, and use a cfqueryparam for one of my values, the first time 
it runs, it works fine.  But with any subsequent runs, I get:

Table (dphillips.temp_csa_table_1) has been dropped, altered or renamed. 

My cfqueryparam is of type CF_SQL_VARCHAR.  If I eliminate the cfqueryparam and 
put the value straight in (like column = 'blahblah' instead of column = 
cfqueryparam value=blahblah cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar), it works every 
time without an error.

My *assumption* is that somehow cfqueryparam is altering the temp 
table...Although I DROP the temp table before I create it, and when I run it 
again, it is dropping, re-creating, and re-querying, it still fails on the 
subsequent runs.  I have to re-cycle ColdFusion or change the table name to get 
it to work again (and then it only works once and fails after that).  I prefer 
not to get rid of the cfqueryparam but at this point, it seems my only option.

Any thoughts or comments on this?  Here's some pseudo-code:

drop table tmp_tbl_1

create temp table tmp_tbl_1(columns...) with no log

insert into tmp_tbl_1(columns) SELECT columns... FROM .

select columns FROM tmp_tbl_1, outer permtable WHERE ... column1 = 
cfqueryparam value=blahblah cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar

Again, this works the first time, but not subsequent times If I change the 
cfqueryparam to just be the value (i.e. 'blahblah'), then it works EVERY time.

TIA!

Dave

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Re: Backbase

2005-11-29 Thread Matt Robertson
And its only $13,920 for a vanilla 2-cpu server.  That should be an
easy sell. :-(

CF, I think, is the only avenue to affordable RIA's for all but the
largest clients (via Flex tech creeping into the product over a period
of a few years) unless some white knight comes in via open source. 
There's just not a compelling case for this technology given its
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Re: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?

2005-11-29 Thread Ryan Guill
Thanks, ill look into that.


On 11/29/05, Bobby Hartsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You could do a JS redirect to a CF page... if the user gets there, they have
 JS, else they don't.

 You could also use js httprequest to 'hit' a page behind the scene that
 would set some session information to let you know rather or not they have
 JS on. (if the httprequest works, they have JS, else they don't)


 ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
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 http://acoderslife.com
 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:55 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?

 Hey guys,

 Does anyone know a way that I can let coldfusion know if javascript is
 enabled in a browser or not?  I would like to set a session variable
 that tells me this so I can dynamically show a message if it is not
 enabled.  I would like to be able to do this without the user having
 to do anything.  We are automatically logging people in using
 ntauthentication on this site, so I would like it to check during that
 process and set a cf variable.

 I need it to work primarily in IE 6+ but it would be nice if it worked
 in FF as well.  My google searches so far this morning haven't come up
 with anything that worked.

 There is the noscript tag, but it isn't evaluated until the browser
 gets the page and so there is no way for coldfusion to evaluate it.
 Plus it doesnt seem to work in firefox or IE either anyway. Any ideas?
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RE: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Hey Ray,

We have all used Verity for a while now but it is a dying product - the
simple fact it has been bought out by Autonomy for what is in corporate
terms a measly sum is a pretty good indication.  We had some global meetings
about search a few months again and we had all the big wigs there - Google,
Altavista, Fast and all of them regard Verity as dead in the water and no
longer viable for search.   A lot of these companies are already planning
for when people look elsewhere.

Verity (bundled in ColdFusion) is poor, it a 2many or none search engine
which is crap.  Can you see Google or MSN Search being successful with a
Verity Engine? No, not in the slightest. It is no longer an Enterprise Level
search engine.  It is clumsy. For sure it is easy for CF developers but in
this day and age where search is king - verity just does not cut it.

AFAIK, MM may not have put it into CF7 - so I do not expect it to be in CF8.

N





-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 15:01
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

This certainly doesn't mean that Verity is dead and dying of course,
just like the purchase of Macromedia by Adobe doesn't mean the end of
Verity. Neil - I'd still like you to back up why you think Verity is
dying and will not be in CFMX8.

-r

On 11/29/05, John Beynon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 bought by autonomy

 http://www.verity.com/company/press/releases/11042005_PR.html

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Verity searching errors

2005-11-29 Thread Matthew Chambers
Hi All,

I've set up a verity collection on a site that has been working fine up until 
recently. I got some errors when people typed in search strings with characters 
such as ()_
I checked some other sites which all have the same problem.

Also if you type my search string AND the AND causes an error. I figure the 
reason for this is that there is nothing to the right of the AND. The same 
happens for OR

Some else must have come across this same problem. Is there any info on all 
illegal keywords/characters so I can write a keyword cleaner function? Oh and 
at this point I'd like to avoid having to provide a complex search interface 
for explicit searching.

NOTES: CFMX 6.1

Any help appreciated!

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RE: Backbase

2005-11-29 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Stay tuned...



;-)






-Original Message-
From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 15:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Backbase

And its only $13,920 for a vanilla 2-cpu server.  That should be an
easy sell. :-(

CF, I think, is the only avenue to affordable RIA's for all but the
largest clients (via Flex tech creeping into the product over a period
of a few years) unless some white knight comes in via open source. 
There's just not a compelling case for this technology given its
pricing unless your client is way up on top of the food chain.

--

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mysecretbase.com



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RE: pseudo-memory leak

2005-11-29 Thread Russ
That's really just security by obscurity.  If you hash the data, and I know
that you've hashed the data, I can set the data that I want and hash that as
well.. Your program wouldn't really know the difference. 

Lets say you were hashing userID's.  I would really just need to know the
valid range of userID's (Lets say 1 to 10), and then I can hash each one
of those using the same exact hash function you're using (Coldfusion), and
set my own cookie.  Then try accessing your site with it.  That's a pretty
simple brute force, wouldn't you say?  Much easier then trying to guess the
password.



-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak

Normally you would HASH the data so it cannot be extracted and used or
changed. 

-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 November 2005 23:40
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak

Cookies are not very secure now, are they?  Lets say I was going to let the
user be logged in, and I wanted that to persist... So I would do.. 
 
Client.userId=123456

Now, the user has no way to change that... Now, lets say I store it in the
cookie... 

Cfcookie name=userId value=123456

Now, the user can examine their cookies and know their userid.  Worse, they
can change the userid, and be logged in as a different user.  

Russ 

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: pseudo-memory leak

I have never really found a need for client variables.  What benefit do they
really offer?  The only time I could see using them is when you had
something that you might think about storing in a cookie.  I rarely come
across a need like that where I dont really want a cookie,
and if I do I usually just store it in the session.   Am I missing
something there?

On 11/28/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are you still running another server on BD?  How is BD handling this
issue?

 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:38 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: pseudo-memory leak

 I've written up my thoughts on what looks like the problem that the 
 House of Fusion server was facing for the last few weeks. It's a 
 problem that probably affects others but I'm not going to comment on 
 how wide spread it is until the full write-up on Fusion Authority.
 These are just my notes and thoughts.
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RE: iMS or alternatives?

2005-11-29 Thread Russ
We've had a similar copy script for CF 4.5.  Is it still needed in 6.1/7? 

-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: iMS or alternatives?

We run an external Mdaemon Mail server that Is just used for mail posted
form web sites (i.e. cfmail, cdosys, asp email etc).
We have customers that send 100's of 1000's of mails per day, copes fine.
We also have a custom script we wrote which runs on each web server and
monitors the cfmail undelivr fodler. Every hour it will check it and if the
files are less than 24 hrs old, they are copied back to the spool, after 24
hrs they are deleted. 

-Original Message-
From: Greg Saunders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 November 2005 02:00
To: CF-Talk
Subject: iMS or alternatives?

I'm ready to give up on IIS SMTP for sending large volumes of mail from CF,
and am now looking at the inFusion Mail Server
(http://www.coolfusion.com/products/ims/index.cfm).  Any opinions on this or
other solutions?

Thanks,
Greg Saunders

PS if anyone has expertise in sending email to large numbers of subscribers,
getting on whitelists, etc., and is available for some consulting, can you
please contact me off list?






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Re: regex help :(

2005-11-29 Thread Ben Doom
Ah, I just looked at resplit.  It's actually returning correct results. 
  The regex works like a delimiter in a list -- it's what's between the 
array results, not what they should be.

You might try this as a regex for resplit:
/?p+

You could also use refind() and loop over the results using mid() to 
extract the strings, or you could try reextract() to do something 
similar (I've never used it, but it gets mentioned a lot).

HTH.

--Ben

John Beynon wrote:
 yeah, I tried that one, I'm using this as my string:
 
 pPara1/ppPara2/ppPara3/p
 
 and i get;
 
 array
 1 [empty string]
 2 pPara2/p
 
 when i dump the results - using ReSplit(mystring,'p.*?/p')


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Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread Raymond Camden
Well. I certainly can't say I agree with you. Your experience is your
experience of course. That being said - I think you are very wrong to
say Verity in CF7 is crap. Have you checked the docs on all the
changes that were included in Verity/CF7? There are some very powerful
features. If you have not - then you should not be calling it crap.

On 11/29/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey Ray,

 We have all used Verity for a while now but it is a dying product - the
 simple fact it has been bought out by Autonomy for what is in corporate
 terms a measly sum is a pretty good indication.  We had some global meetings
 about search a few months again and we had all the big wigs there - Google,
 Altavista, Fast and all of them regard Verity as dead in the water and no
 longer viable for search.   A lot of these companies are already planning
 for when people look elsewhere.

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Re: Verity searching errors

2005-11-29 Thread Raymond Camden
Yep, there is a CFLib function for it:

http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=760

On 11/29/05, Matthew Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All,

 I've set up a verity collection on a site that has been working fine up until 
 recently. I got some errors when people typed in search strings with 
 characters such as ()_
 I checked some other sites which all have the same problem.

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Re: pseudo-memory leak

2005-11-29 Thread Ryan Guill
You would still use a hashed password that you wouldnt be able to
guess, plus you could also seed the userid before the hash.
or like I said before, use a uuid for the userid.

You wouldnt be guessing either one.

On 11/29/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That's really just security by obscurity.  If you hash the data, and I know
 that you've hashed the data, I can set the data that I want and hash that as
 well.. Your program wouldn't really know the difference.

 Lets say you were hashing userID's.  I would really just need to know the
 valid range of userID's (Lets say 1 to 10), and then I can hash each one
 of those using the same exact hash function you're using (Coldfusion), and
 set my own cookie.  Then try accessing your site with it.  That's a pretty
 simple brute force, wouldn't you say?  Much easier then trying to guess the
 password.



 -Original Message-
 From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:43 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak

 Normally you would HASH the data so it cannot be extracted and used or
 changed.

 -Original Message-
 From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 28 November 2005 23:40
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak

 Cookies are not very secure now, are they?  Lets say I was going to let the
 user be logged in, and I wanted that to persist... So I would do..

 Client.userId=123456

 Now, the user has no way to change that... Now, lets say I store it in the
 cookie...

 Cfcookie name=userId value=123456

 Now, the user can examine their cookies and know their userid.  Worse, they
 can change the userid, and be logged in as a different user.

 Russ

 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:04 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: pseudo-memory leak

 I have never really found a need for client variables.  What benefit do they
 really offer?  The only time I could see using them is when you had
 something that you might think about storing in a cookie.  I rarely come
 across a need like that where I dont really want a cookie,
 and if I do I usually just store it in the session.   Am I missing
 something there?

 On 11/28/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Are you still running another server on BD?  How is BD handling this
 issue?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:38 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: pseudo-memory leak
 
  I've written up my thoughts on what looks like the problem that the
  House of Fusion server was facing for the last few weeks. It's a
  problem that probably affects others but I'm not going to comment on
  how wide spread it is until the full write-up on Fusion Authority.
  These are just my notes and thoughts.
  http://www.blogoffusion.com/index.cfm/2005/11/28/pseudomemory-leak
 
 
 
 







 

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RE: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
I am calling it crap as I basing it on what makes a good Enterprise Search
engine - Verity does not cut it.





-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 15:32
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

Well. I certainly can't say I agree with you. Your experience is your
experience of course. That being said - I think you are very wrong to
say Verity in CF7 is crap. Have you checked the docs on all the
changes that were included in Verity/CF7? There are some very powerful
features. If you have not - then you should not be calling it crap.

On 11/29/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey Ray,

 We have all used Verity for a while now but it is a dying product - the
 simple fact it has been bought out by Autonomy for what is in corporate
 terms a measly sum is a pretty good indication.  We had some global
meetings
 about search a few months again and we had all the big wigs there -
Google,
 Altavista, Fast and all of them regard Verity as dead in the water and no
 longer viable for search.   A lot of these companies are already planning
 for when people look elsewhere.

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RE: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
To add, and you are right, I haven't used verity in CF7 - I avoid it like
the plague (plus we are tied into using FAST ESP methinks).

Does Verity in CF7 still lock users out of a collection/search when it
indexes?   If it does, that alone indicates a poor search tool.  

Don't get me wrong, like I said, Verity is great tool for small sites and
for CF bods to point it to location and say make it searchable, but it is in
no way an enterprise level tool anymore.

On the cuff of me calling it crap, what can you say that Verity offers me
which would change my mind (in comparison to other tools such as Google,
FAST etc?)  I would wager not that much if any.




-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 15:32
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

Well. I certainly can't say I agree with you. Your experience is your
experience of course. That being said - I think you are very wrong to
say Verity in CF7 is crap. Have you checked the docs on all the
changes that were included in Verity/CF7? There are some very powerful
features. If you have not - then you should not be calling it crap.

On 11/29/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey Ray,

 We have all used Verity for a while now but it is a dying product - the
 simple fact it has been bought out by Autonomy for what is in corporate
 terms a measly sum is a pretty good indication.  We had some global
meetings
 about search a few months again and we had all the big wigs there -
Google,
 Altavista, Fast and all of them regard Verity as dead in the water and no
 longer viable for search.   A lot of these companies are already planning
 for when people look elsewhere.

--

===
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Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)

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RE: Backbase

2005-11-29 Thread Snake
What about open laszlo... FREE 

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 15:15
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Backbase

Stay tuned...



;-)






-Original Message-
From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 November 2005 15:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Backbase

And its only $13,920 for a vanilla 2-cpu server.  That should be an easy
sell. :-(

CF, I think, is the only avenue to affordable RIA's for all but the largest
clients (via Flex tech creeping into the product over a period of a few
years) unless some white knight comes in via open source. 
There's just not a compelling case for this technology given its pricing
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RE: iMS or alternatives?

2005-11-29 Thread Snake
Yes, no version of CF retries sending failed mail. 

-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 15:32
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: iMS or alternatives?

We've had a similar copy script for CF 4.5.  Is it still needed in 6.1/7? 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: iMS or alternatives?

We run an external Mdaemon Mail server that Is just used for mail posted
form web sites (i.e. cfmail, cdosys, asp email etc).
We have customers that send 100's of 1000's of mails per day, copes fine.
We also have a custom script we wrote which runs on each web server and
monitors the cfmail undelivr fodler. Every hour it will check it and if the
files are less than 24 hrs old, they are copied back to the spool, after 24
hrs they are deleted. 

-Original Message-
From: Greg Saunders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 November 2005 02:00
To: CF-Talk
Subject: iMS or alternatives?

I'm ready to give up on IIS SMTP for sending large volumes of mail from CF,
and am now looking at the inFusion Mail Server
(http://www.coolfusion.com/products/ims/index.cfm).  Any opinions on this or
other solutions?

Thanks,
Greg Saunders

PS if anyone has expertise in sending email to large numbers of subscribers,
getting on whitelists, etc., and is available for some consulting, can you
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Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread Raymond Camden
If you are not even aware of what is in CFMX7, then you are speaking
from inexperience. Note - I am not saying that there aren't better
engines out there. I am simply saying that calling it crap w/o knowing
what it can do is silly. Yes - you CAN do better. However, the cost is
perfect (free w/ CF) and the power of it is quite stunning.

We may have to agree to disagree here. I'd still encourage you to at
least take a look at what changed in CFMX7, especially before you tell
people it is crap.

On 11/29/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am calling it crap as I basing it on what makes a good Enterprise Search
 engine - Verity does not cut it.



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RE: Backbase

2005-11-29 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Indeed...true true...  would you say Laszlo is better than Flex?



-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 15:46
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Backbase

What about open laszlo... FREE 

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 15:15
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Backbase

Stay tuned...



;-)






-Original Message-
From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 November 2005 15:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Backbase

And its only $13,920 for a vanilla 2-cpu server.  That should be an easy
sell. :-(

CF, I think, is the only avenue to affordable RIA's for all but the largest
clients (via Flex tech creeping into the product over a period of a few
years) unless some white knight comes in via open source. 
There's just not a compelling case for this technology given its pricing
unless your client is way up on top of the food chain.

--

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Janitor, MSB Web Systems
mysecretbase.com







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Re: Verity searching errors

2005-11-29 Thread Matthew Chambers
Cheers!

 Yep, there is a CFLib function for it:
 
 http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=760
 
 On 11/29/05, Matthew Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  I've set up a verity collection on a site that has been working fine 
 up until recently. I got some errors when people typed in search 
 strings with characters such as ()_
  I checked some other sites which all have the same problem.
 
 --
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Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread Raymond Camden
On 11/29/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To add, and you are right, I haven't used verity in CF7 - I avoid it like
 the plague (plus we are tied into using FAST ESP methinks).

 Does Verity in CF7 still lock users out of a collection/search when it
 indexes?   If it does, that alone indicates a poor search tool.

Afaik no. In the past you had to go lock heavy w/ Verity. You no
longer need to do that.

 Don't get me wrong, like I said, Verity is great tool for small sites and
 for CF bods to point it to location and say make it searchable, but it is in
 no way an enterprise level tool anymore.

 On the cuff of me calling it crap, what can you say that Verity offers me
 which would change my mind (in comparison to other tools such as Google,
 FAST etc?)  I would wager not that much if any.

To be honest I don't know. I haven't used either of them. As I said,
they may certainly be better, even loads better, but Verity/CF is free
and included in the product, so before spending more money, or
integrating something else like Lucene, one should take a look.

-Ray

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RE: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
As you said, I think it is a case of agree to disagree ;-p  I really don't
like Verity - but then again I have used others to compare it to - and
Verity is nothing compared to them,



-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 15:54
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

On 11/29/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To add, and you are right, I haven't used verity in CF7 - I avoid it like
 the plague (plus we are tied into using FAST ESP methinks).

 Does Verity in CF7 still lock users out of a collection/search when it
 indexes?   If it does, that alone indicates a poor search tool.

Afaik no. In the past you had to go lock heavy w/ Verity. You no
longer need to do that.

 Don't get me wrong, like I said, Verity is great tool for small sites and
 for CF bods to point it to location and say make it searchable, but it is
in
 no way an enterprise level tool anymore.

 On the cuff of me calling it crap, what can you say that Verity offers me
 which would change my mind (in comparison to other tools such as Google,
 FAST etc?)  I would wager not that much if any.

To be honest I don't know. I haven't used either of them. As I said,
they may certainly be better, even loads better, but Verity/CF is free
and included in the product, so before spending more money, or
integrating something else like Lucene, one should take a look.

-Ray



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RE: Verity searching errors

2005-11-29 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
I rest my case though ;-)  does this happen in CF7? ;-p   

Okay, Okay, last post.LOL



-Original Message-
From: Matthew Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 14:54
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Verity searching errors

Cheers!

 Yep, there is a CFLib function for it:
 
 http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=760
 
 On 11/29/05, Matthew Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  I've set up a verity collection on a site that has been working fine 
 up until recently. I got some errors when people typed in search 
 strings with characters such as ()_
  I checked some other sites which all have the same problem.
 
 --
== =
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 mindseye.com)
 
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RE: Backbase

2005-11-29 Thread Munson, Jacob
I have never used either, but I was looking at Open Laszlo yesterday.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looked like you had to be running a
server for Laszlo to work.  I'd prefer to use Flex Builder and just
throw an swf where I need it, but that's just my opinion.  Of course,
it's hard to argue with free.

 -Original Message-
 From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:35 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Backbase
 
 Indeed...true true...  would you say Laszlo is better than Flex?
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 29 November 2005 15:46
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Backbase
 
 What about open laszlo... FREE 

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Re: Google search appliance and Cold Fusion

2005-11-29 Thread Michael Dinowitz
If I remember correctly from my research into this, the Google search app 
will only index actual urls rather than content from something like a DB. 
This means you have to be sure that its set up to get all of the content on 
an url that passes vars. That and note the collection limitation on it.

 Does anyone have any experience/recomendations/lessons learned about
 integrating a Google search appliance into a Cold Fusion server
 environment serving dozens of sites and hundreds of thousands of
 pages?

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RE: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?

2005-11-29 Thread Munson, Jacob
You could also use JS to set a hidden field value when your first page
loads.  Then any subsequent pages can check that value.  You might even
get fancy with some cfincludes and have one set a value, and the next
check it.  I'm not sure if that would work or not, but it may be a way
to have your first page find out if JS is enabled or not.

 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:18 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?
 
 Thanks, ill look into that.
 
 
 On 11/29/05, Bobby Hartsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You could do a JS redirect to a CF page... if the user gets 
 there, they have
  JS, else they don't.
 
  You could also use js httprequest to 'hit' a page behind 
 the scene that
  would set some session information to let you know rather 
 or not they have
  JS on. (if the httprequest works, they have JS, else they don't)
 
 
  ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
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  -Original Message-
  From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:55 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?
 
  Hey guys,
 
  Does anyone know a way that I can let coldfusion know if 
 javascript is
  enabled in a browser or not?  I would like to set a session variable
  that tells me this so I can dynamically show a message if it is not
  enabled.  I would like to be able to do this without the user having
  to do anything.  We are automatically logging people in using
  ntauthentication on this site, so I would like it to check 
 during that
  process and set a cf variable.
 
  I need it to work primarily in IE 6+ but it would be nice 
 if it worked
  in FF as well.  My google searches so far this morning 
 haven't come up
  with anything that worked.
 
  There is the noscript tag, but it isn't evaluated until 
 the browser
  gets the page and so there is no way for coldfusion to evaluate it.
  Plus it doesnt seem to work in firefox or IE either anyway. 
 Any ideas?
  --
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  BlueEyesDevelopment
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  (270) 217.2399
  got google talk?  Chat me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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Re: Backbase

2005-11-29 Thread Ken Ferguson
Consider yourself corrected then. You do not need a server to run Laszlo 
-- that's what the SOLO is all about.

http://www.laszlosystems.com/developers/learn/articles/openlaszlo-3.0-features.php

--Ferg

Munson, Jacob wrote:

I have never used either, but I was looking at Open Laszlo yesterday.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looked like you had to be running a
server for Laszlo to work.  I'd prefer to use Flex Builder and just
throw an swf where I need it, but that's just my opinion.  Of course,
it's hard to argue with free.

  

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Backbase

Indeed...true true...  would you say Laszlo is better than Flex?



-Original Message-
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Sent: 29 November 2005 15:46
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Backbase

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Re: jrun memory usage on multiple CFMX instances

2005-11-29 Thread George Abraham
Beautiful! Thanks!

George

On 11/29/05, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 sounds normal to me.

 DK

 On 11/29/05, George Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  All,
  We have a Windows 2003 server that has five CFMX instances running on it
  which service five different sites. The average memory usage for the
  jrun.exe (when absolutely nothing is hitting the sites) is about 53MB.
  Together they eat up about 300MB. Is this normal? If not, what is
 normal?
 
  TIA,
  George
 
 
 

 

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Using Verity for Searching (was Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...)

2005-11-29 Thread Dave Carabetta
On 11/29/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As you said, I think it is a case of agree to disagree ;-p  I really don't
 like Verity - but then again I have used others to compare it to - and
 Verity is nothing compared to them,


I'm not going to debate whether or not Verity is crap as a search
solution, but I do have to note that it does have a significant
shortcoming: working in a clustered environment. The current Verity
license for ColdFusion states that you can't have multiple CF
instances write to a central Verity repository. That's a big
deal-breaker for me. I don't want to have to worry about synchronizing
collections, period.

Now, you could make the argument that a clustered environment probably
means I should be looking at a full version of Verity (or another
enterprise solution), but the fact is that it's cost-prohibitive to do
that. We have a couple of sub-applications that have just enough
search requirements as to need a Verity-type solution (as opposed to
querying the database directly), yet not enough to warrant spending
tens of thousands of dollars. The cost-benefit analysis just doesn't
result in a need to make that sort of expenditure (yet). We're
clustered not because we get millions of hits per day, but because our
entire business is run through our web site and we need the
scalability and failover that a cluster provides. It's simply
unacceptable for our site to be down, as it means thousands of dollars
in lost sales (and very unhappy executives).

Until a viable solution for clustered setups surfaces (that isn't some
sort of cheap hack, mind you), we'll need to look elsewhere (which is
a shame because the features of Verity in MX 7 are pretty killer).

Regards,
Dave.

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Re: Get path of page calling cfinvoke?

2005-11-29 Thread Sam Farmer
GetCurrentTemplatePath() might get you what you want.  But Barney's
second paragraph hits the nail on the head.  CFC's should never need
this type of information (except _perhaps_ for logging?? and if you
needed that).

Cheers,

Sam F



On 11/28/05, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You could thow an exception and examine the stack trace, but that
 won't help for inherited methods, only for inherited methods called
 from methods defined in the subclass.

 Of course, if your functionality is dependant on knowing who's calling
 you, you likely have some flaw in your design.  Environment
 non-neutrality is a pretty consistent warning flag for bad things.
 In particular, an object should never know or care what it's
 subclasses are.

 cheers,
 banreyb


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Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread George Abraham
It also depends on what your scale of collections are. If you are going to
hit the ceiling of 250,000 objects sooner than you think, then you might be
better off looking at Lucene or using a Google search appliance, depending
on the money you have to throw at this. We currently use Lucene in
conjunction with CFMX and it is an absolute joy. If I had enough time, I
would write an entire process of how to do this, since it can get really
irritiating for someone trying to do it. By the way, I am not using it to
index web pages, I am using it to index databases.

George

On 11/29/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 As you said, I think it is a case of agree to disagree ;-p  I really don't
 like Verity - but then again I have used others to compare it to - and
 Verity is nothing compared to them,



 -Original Message-
 From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 29 November 2005 15:54
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

 On 11/29/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  To add, and you are right, I haven't used verity in CF7 - I avoid it
 like
  the plague (plus we are tied into using FAST ESP methinks).
 
  Does Verity in CF7 still lock users out of a collection/search when it
  indexes?   If it does, that alone indicates a poor search tool.

 Afaik no. In the past you had to go lock heavy w/ Verity. You no
 longer need to do that.

  Don't get me wrong, like I said, Verity is great tool for small sites
 and
  for CF bods to point it to location and say make it searchable, but it
 is
 in
  no way an enterprise level tool anymore.
 
  On the cuff of me calling it crap, what can you say that Verity offers
 me
  which would change my mind (in comparison to other tools such as Google,
  FAST etc?)  I would wager not that much if any.

 To be honest I don't know. I haven't used either of them. As I said,
 they may certainly be better, even loads better, but Verity/CF is free
 and included in the product, so before spending more money, or
 integrating something else like Lucene, one should take a look.

 -Ray



 

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Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

2005-11-29 Thread Jeff Coughlin
 I really don't like Verity - but then again I have used others to compare
it to - and Verity is nothing compared to them

But you just said that you haven't used Verity in CF7.  Make up your mind
please.

It's a completely new Verity engine.  If I recall (and someone can correct
me on the version numbers), the Verity engine used in CF6 was still v2.2(c
I think) and the version used in CF7 is Verity v5.5 (again, someone can
correct me on the version numbers if I am mistaken).  Needless to say, with
the slew of new features added (and there were quite a few) and the ease of
use in CF7 to take advantage of said new features, I don't believe you have
any ground to stand on to compare it against other products (let alone the
fact that you don't know what the features are nor have you bothered to
research them).

It sounds to me that you are just re-stating what you said earlier; that you
specifically went to Verity's competetors (who may have a smaller market
share in the public search market) and they sold you the story that their
competetor's product (Verity) is not good.  Sounds like regular marketing
tactics to me.  During your product comparisons did you invite Verity to
demonstrate their latest product as well?  You also mentioned Lucene... have
you actually compared it to Verity in CF7 (obviously no, since you never
used it let-alone know what its features are).

So, as Ray has plainly pointed out, you should not tell people a product is
not worthy just because their competetor says so.  You should try actually
researching it yourself.  Otherwise you're just making yourself out to be
not trustworhty on product research and advice.

BTW:  I have a donkey for sale.  It costs more than a top-of-the-line steed,
but trust me this is a much better product because I say so.  Also, some of
the other farmers in the area who only have donkeys to sell agree with me
that donkeys are much better for travel (with speed) than horses.  (yes, I'm
just joking) :)

-Jeff C


On 11/29/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 As you said, I think it is a case of agree to disagree ;-p  I really don't
 like Verity - but then again I have used others to compare it to - and
 Verity is nothing compared to them,



 -Original Message-
 From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 29 November 2005 15:54
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Ceiling of Verity collections...

 On 11/29/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  To add, and you are right, I haven't used verity in CF7 - I avoid it
 like
  the plague (plus we are tied into using FAST ESP methinks).
 
  Does Verity in CF7 still lock users out of a collection/search when it
  indexes?   If it does, that alone indicates a poor search tool.

 Afaik no. In the past you had to go lock heavy w/ Verity. You no
 longer need to do that.

  Don't get me wrong, like I said, Verity is great tool for small sites
 and
  for CF bods to point it to location and say make it searchable, but it
 is
 in
  no way an enterprise level tool anymore.
 
  On the cuff of me calling it crap, what can you say that Verity offers
 me
  which would change my mind (in comparison to other tools such as Google,
  FAST etc?)  I would wager not that much if any.

 To be honest I don't know. I haven't used either of them. As I said,
 they may certainly be better, even loads better, but Verity/CF is free
 and included in the product, so before spending more money, or
 integrating something else like Lucene, one should take a look.

 -Ray



 

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RE: Get path of page calling cfinvoke?

2005-11-29 Thread Ben Nadel
I have had times when I wanted to get the calling template of a given
template (for debugging purposes). I haven't ever actually used it, but I
think Raymond Camden came up with something that might help you figure out
the stack trace and therefore the list of templates being called:

http://ray.camdenfamily.com/index.cfm/2005/10/4/CFC-Debugging

-ben
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Vote for Pedro

-Original Message-
From: Sam Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Get path of page calling cfinvoke?

GetCurrentTemplatePath() might get you what you want.  But Barney's
second paragraph hits the nail on the head.  CFC's should never need
this type of information (except _perhaps_ for logging?? and if you
needed that).

Cheers,

Sam F



On 11/28/05, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You could thow an exception and examine the stack trace, but that
 won't help for inherited methods, only for inherited methods called
 from methods defined in the subclass.

 Of course, if your functionality is dependant on knowing who's calling
 you, you likely have some flaw in your design.  Environment
 non-neutrality is a pretty consistent warning flag for bad things.
 In particular, an object should never know or care what it's
 subclasses are.

 cheers,
 banreyb




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Online Training for ColdFusion?

2005-11-29 Thread Steven Erat
I receieved the following question from a ColdFusion enthusiast in Australia
who is looking for online training in ColdFusion:

Is there anything out there that you're aware of (online courses, learning
resources etc.) for someone like me from Sydney, Australia, who has
experience with Coldfusion but wants to learn how to develop enterprise
solutions with best practices in mind?

Please reply if you know of such online resources.

Thanks!
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HELP!! Query - Loop - List - Form Madness

2005-11-29 Thread Molly Abraham
Hi. . . hope someone can help. . . (PLEASE BEAR WITH ME -- THIS IS ALL 
HIGGLEDYPIGGLEDY) we are having a problem displaying the value of a query 
variable. . it seems really confusing, and it is - but unfortunately this is 
the simplest way we can think of to do this.  

Our goal is to run a query to check and see what proposals (proposalid) have 
been submitted, create a table  with column for each proposalid that also 
contains one row for each of the seven proposal 'readers'. (this part works)

 The readers then grade the proposals using an online form. Explanation of what 
we are doing is below. . . . BUT HERE IS THE PROBLEM WE ARE HAVING  -- the 
'readers' are able to log in repeatedly to input their 'grades', change them 
etc. . . which means we have to be able to capture the value stored in a given 
field. . . ex:  
cfquery name datasource select proposalcolumn from grades where reader = 
currentreader/cfquery
The problem is that we do not know the name of the column!!  and for the life 
of us we cannot figure out what variable to set, etc. . which would let us 
output this value!!


Each reader reads only ~half of the proposals, as they are divided up by 
region.  So, once the reader logs into the reader 'grading' section -- we 
create a session variable to denote which region they are from.  On the 
'grading' form page we then use the session variable to get only the columns 
for the grading table that correspond to the proposals they were assigned to 
read.

ON THE GRADING FORM PAGE WE DO THIS TO GET THE DATA NEEDED TO CREATE THE FORM. 

cfquery name=getproposals datasource=sotl
select *
from proposal06
where readinggroup = #session.group#
and status = 1
order by proposalid asc
/cfquery

cfset proposals = ''

cfoutput query=getproposals

cfset proposals = '#listappend(proposals,proposalid)#'
/cfoutput 

THEN WE LOOP THE PROPOSALS LIST TO QUERY THE GRADES TABLE (PROPOSALID = 
GRADES.COLUMNNAME)

cfloop list=#proposals# index=i
cfquery name=getgrades datasource=sotl
select #i#
from grades06
where readerid = #session.readerid#
/cfquery


THEN WE LOOP THE GETGRADES QUERY TO POPULATE THE GRADING FORM WITH THE 
APPROPRIATE PROPOSAL FORM FIELDS

  cfloop list=#getgrades.columnlist# index=i

   tr 

   cfoutput tdstrong#i#/strong/td

THEN WE RUN THIS QUERY TO GET THE VALUE OF THE SPECIFIC FIELD (PREVIOUSLY 
SUBMITTED GRADE STORED IN THE TABLE

!---get the grade for this proposal - based on column name from looping 
columnlist ---
cfquery name=getindiv datasource=sotl
select #i#
from grades06
where readerid = #session.readerid#
/cfquery
 
tdAccept: 
  !--- Should checkbox be pre-checked? ---
!AND FINALLY -- IF YOU WADED THROUGH ALL OF THIS -- HERE IS THE PROBLEM -- 
HOW CAN WE REFERENCE THIS FIELD -- EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T KNOW THE FIELD NAME 
-- WE HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING WE CAN THINK OF (admittedly/obviously not that 
much) AND CAN'T GET IT TO WORK!!!
  cfif #FIELD# is 1
CFSET IsChecked = 'Yes'
cfelse
CFSET IsChecked = 'No'
  /cfif 
  !--- Checkbox itself ---
  cfinput 
  type=radio
  name=#i# 
  checked=#IsChecked#
  value=1/td
tdReject: 
  !--- Should checkbox be pre-checked? ---
  cfif '#column#' eq 0
CFSET IsChecked = 'Yes'
cfelse
CFSET IsChecked = 'No'
  /cfif
  !--- Checkbox itself ---
CFINPUT 
  TYPE=radio
  NAME=#i#
  checked=#IsChecked#
  VALUE=0  /td
tdMaybe: 
  !--- Should checkbox be pre-checked? ---
  cfif '#column#' eq ''
CFSET IsChecked = 'Yes'
cfelse
CFSET IsChecked = 'No'
  /cfif
  !--- Checkbox itself ---
CFINPUT 
  TYPE=radio
  NAME=#i#
  checked=#IsChecked#
  VALUE=2 /td
tdNot Yet Graded: 
  !--- Should checkbox be pre-checked? ---
  cfif '#column#' eq ''
CFSET IsChecked = 'Yes'
cfelse
CFSET IsChecked = 'No'
  /cfif
  !--- Checkbox itself ---
CFINPUT 
  TYPE=radio
  NAME=#i#
checked=#IsChecked#
  VALUE=3 /td/cfoutput
  /tr
  /cfloop/cfloop  
  tr 

Please take pity on us if you can! If you can make sense of this. Thank you.
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RE: Online Training for ColdFusion?

2005-11-29 Thread Andy Matthews
Vue.com

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Online Training for ColdFusion?


I receieved the following question from a ColdFusion enthusiast in Australia
who is looking for online training in ColdFusion:

Is there anything out there that you're aware of (online courses, learning
resources etc.) for someone like me from Sydney, Australia, who has
experience with Coldfusion but wants to learn how to develop enterprise
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RE: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?

2005-11-29 Thread Jim Davis
I've an example of a technique here:

http://www.depressedpress.com/Content/Development/ColdFusion/Articles/GetRes
/Index.cfm

That code is really old however.

The version I'm actually using is wrapped as a custom tag and determines JS
version (and whether or not it's enabled) as well.  I'll attach the
JavaScript of it below.

Jim Davis


script language=Javascript type=text/javascriptvar JSVersion =
1.0/script
script language=Javascript1.1 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
1.1/script
script language=Javascript1.2 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
1.2/script
script language=Javascript1.3 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
1.3/script
script language=Javascript1.4 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
1.4/script
script language=Javascript1.5 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
1.5/script
script language=Javascript type=text/javascript!--

// Default all Values to Zero
ColorDepth = 0;
ResHeight = 0;
ResWidth = 0;
ResAvailHeight = 0;
ResAvailWidth = 0;
ResBrowserHeight = 0;
ResBrowserWidth = 0;
// Get the basic values 
if (JSVersion  1.1) {
ColorDepth = screen.colorDepth;
ResHeight = screen.height;
ResWidth = screen.width;
ResAvailHeight = screen.availHeight;
ResAvailWidth = screen.availWidth;
};
// Try to get the Browser Window info
// If the innerwidth property is set then try to use that -
supported by Netscape and several other browsers
if( typeof( window.innerWidth ) == 'number' ) {
ResBrowserWidth = window.innerWidth;
ResBrowserHeight = window.innerHeight;
// The following is only supported by IE 6 in some cases.
} else if( ( typeof( document.documentElement.clientWidth ) ==
'number' )  ( document.documentElement.clientWidth  0 ) ) {
ResBrowserWidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth;
ResBrowserHeight = document.documentElement.clientHeight;
// Finally test if we're IE and use the IE specific values
} else if( document.body  ( document.body.clientWidth ||
document.body.clientHeight ) ) {
ResBrowserWidth = document.body.clientWidth;
ResBrowserHeight = document.body.clientHeight;
};
// Create the call to the image
document.write(img src='FauxGIF.cfm?ScreenData=JS + JSVersion +
, + ColorDepth + , + ResHeight + , + ResWidth + , + ResAvailHeight +
, + ResAvailWidth + , + ResBrowserHeight + , + ResBrowserWidth + '
width='1' height='1' alt='' border='0');

//--
/script
noscriptimg name=HeartBeat
src=FauxGIF.cfm?ScreenData=NoJS,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 width=1 height=1 alt=
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Re: regex help :(

2005-11-29 Thread Claude Schneegans
 I'm trying to split up html paragraph p/pp/p tags into items
in an array

You should have a look at CF_REextract, it will return all you need in a 
query, or a list, then easily transferable to an array.
http://www.cftagstore.com/tags/cfreextract.cfm

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RE: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?

2005-11-29 Thread Munson, Jacob
If the user has JS turned off, you're JS will not fire, and you won't
find anything out about their browser.  Am I missing something?

 -Original Message-
 From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:17 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?
 
 I've an example of a technique here:
 
 http://www.depressedpress.com/Content/Development/ColdFusion/A
 rticles/GetRes
 /Index.cfm
 
 That code is really old however.
 
 The version I'm actually using is wrapped as a custom tag and 
 determines JS
 version (and whether or not it's enabled) as well.  I'll attach the
 JavaScript of it below.
 
 Jim Davis
 
 
 script language=Javascript type=text/javascriptvar JSVersion =
 1.0/script
 script language=Javascript1.1 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
 1.1/script
 script language=Javascript1.2 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
 1.2/script
 script language=Javascript1.3 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
 1.3/script
 script language=Javascript1.4 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
 1.4/script
 script language=Javascript1.5 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
 1.5/script
 script language=Javascript type=text/javascript!--
 
   // Default all Values to Zero
   ColorDepth = 0;
   ResHeight = 0;
   ResWidth = 0;
   ResAvailHeight = 0;
   ResAvailWidth = 0;
   ResBrowserHeight = 0;
   ResBrowserWidth = 0;
   // Get the basic values 
   if (JSVersion  1.1) {
   ColorDepth = screen.colorDepth;
   ResHeight = screen.height;
   ResWidth = screen.width;
   ResAvailHeight = screen.availHeight;
   ResAvailWidth = screen.availWidth;
   };
   // Try to get the Browser Window info
   // If the innerwidth property is set then try 
 to use that -
 supported by Netscape and several other browsers
   if( typeof( window.innerWidth ) == 'number' ) {
   ResBrowserWidth = window.innerWidth;
   ResBrowserHeight = window.innerHeight;
   // The following is only supported by IE 6 in 
 some cases.
   } else if( ( typeof( document.documentElement.clientWidth ) ==
 'number' )  ( document.documentElement.clientWidth  0 ) ) {
   ResBrowserWidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth;
   ResBrowserHeight = 
 document.documentElement.clientHeight;
   // Finally test if we're IE and use the IE 
 specific values
   } else if( document.body  ( document.body.clientWidth ||
 document.body.clientHeight ) ) {
   ResBrowserWidth = document.body.clientWidth;
   ResBrowserHeight = document.body.clientHeight;
   };
   // Create the call to the image
   document.write(img src='FauxGIF.cfm?ScreenData=JS + 
 JSVersion +
 , + ColorDepth + , + ResHeight + , + ResWidth + , + 
 ResAvailHeight +
 , + ResAvailWidth + , + ResBrowserHeight + , + 
 ResBrowserWidth + '
 width='1' height='1' alt='' border='0');
 
   //--
 /script
 noscriptimg name=HeartBeat
 src=FauxGIF.cfm?ScreenData=NoJS,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 width=1 
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Re: regex help :(

2005-11-29 Thread John Beynon
i have it already ;) will look into using that.

thanks

john.

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  I'm trying to split up html paragraph p/pp/p tags into items
 in an array

 You should have a look at CF_REextract, it will return all you need in a
 query, or a list, then easily transferable to an array.
 http://www.cftagstore.com/tags/cfreextract.cfm

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Re: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?

2005-11-29 Thread Claude Schneegans
I use something to test if pop-ups are not disabled, could usi it as 
well for javascript.

In the login page, I have a script that opens a pop-up.
The template called sets up a session variable that says pop-up enabled.
Then the code returned closes the pop-up.
By the time the user logs in, if the session variable is not set, the 
user gets an advice to let pop-up
for this domain, since they are used in some admin modules.

For just Javascript enabled, it could be more elegant to use 
XMLHttpRequest than a pop-up,
but the basic idea is the same.

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Re: regex help :(

2005-11-29 Thread Claude Schneegans
 i have it already

Then you should not even post the question! :-D

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Re: Google search appliance and Cold Fusion

2005-11-29 Thread Robert Munn
I have just started working at a place that has Google appliances being used to 
index and search a huge amount of content. We're closing in on the ceiling of 
our URL license and we're implementing a new version with double the licenses.

Michael is right, the appliance indexes only URLs, so you need to build a bunch 
of crawler pages to dump any db content you want to index. I have done some 
work with it at this point and I'd be happy to share whatever meager lessons I 
have learned from it with you. Get me off-list at cfmunster at hotmail if you 
want more info.

Does anyone have any experience/recomendations/lessons learned about
integrating a Google search appliance into a Cold Fusion server
environment serving dozens of sites and hundreds of thousands of
pages?

Thanks for any info,
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RE: HELP!! Query - Loop - List - Form Madness

2005-11-29 Thread Ben Nadel
I do not get the gist of what you are trying to do (while skimming from my
office while I should be working), but one pointer:

You do not need to loop over a query to get a list of ids. Use the
ValueList() method. It takes a column:

cfset lstProposalIDs = ValueList(getproposals.proposalid) /

Good luck.

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Re: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?

2005-11-29 Thread Ryan Guill
thanks guys.  After discussing it some more we found that the easiest
thing for now is to just use the noscript, which is working, I was
doing something silly before.  We probably will change it later, but
this works fine for now.

Thanks for all the help guys, its appreciated.

On 11/29/05, Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If the user has JS turned off, you're JS will not fire, and you won't
 find anything out about their browser.  Am I missing something?

  -Original Message-
  From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:17 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?
 
  I've an example of a technique here:
 
  http://www.depressedpress.com/Content/Development/ColdFusion/A
  rticles/GetRes
  /Index.cfm
 
  That code is really old however.
 
  The version I'm actually using is wrapped as a custom tag and
  determines JS
  version (and whether or not it's enabled) as well.  I'll attach the
  JavaScript of it below.
 
  Jim Davis
 
 
  script language=Javascript type=text/javascriptvar JSVersion =
  1.0/script
  script language=Javascript1.1 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
  1.1/script
  script language=Javascript1.2 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
  1.2/script
  script language=Javascript1.3 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
  1.3/script
  script language=Javascript1.4 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
  1.4/script
  script language=Javascript1.5 type=text/javascriptJSVersion =
  1.5/script
  script language=Javascript type=text/javascript!--
 
// Default all Values to Zero
ColorDepth = 0;
ResHeight = 0;
ResWidth = 0;
ResAvailHeight = 0;
ResAvailWidth = 0;
ResBrowserHeight = 0;
ResBrowserWidth = 0;
// Get the basic values
if (JSVersion  1.1) {
ColorDepth = screen.colorDepth;
ResHeight = screen.height;
ResWidth = screen.width;
ResAvailHeight = screen.availHeight;
ResAvailWidth = screen.availWidth;
};
// Try to get the Browser Window info
// If the innerwidth property is set then try
  to use that -
  supported by Netscape and several other browsers
if( typeof( window.innerWidth ) == 'number' ) {
ResBrowserWidth = window.innerWidth;
ResBrowserHeight = window.innerHeight;
// The following is only supported by IE 6 in
  some cases.
} else if( ( typeof( document.documentElement.clientWidth ) ==
  'number' )  ( document.documentElement.clientWidth  0 ) ) {
ResBrowserWidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth;
ResBrowserHeight =
  document.documentElement.clientHeight;
// Finally test if we're IE and use the IE
  specific values
} else if( document.body  ( document.body.clientWidth ||
  document.body.clientHeight ) ) {
ResBrowserWidth = document.body.clientWidth;
ResBrowserHeight = document.body.clientHeight;
};
// Create the call to the image
document.write(img src='FauxGIF.cfm?ScreenData=JS +
  JSVersion +
  , + ColorDepth + , + ResHeight + , + ResWidth + , +
  ResAvailHeight +
  , + ResAvailWidth + , + ResBrowserHeight + , +
  ResBrowserWidth + '
  width='1' height='1' alt='' border='0');
 
//--
  /script
  noscriptimg name=HeartBeat
  src=FauxGIF.cfm?ScreenData=NoJS,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 width=1
  height=1 alt=
  border=0/noscript

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RE: pseudo-memory leak

2005-11-29 Thread Russ
The point is you have to jump through hoops to make cookies secure... Why
not just have a best practice not to store stuff in cookies, and to use
client variables instead, so that people not well versed in security can
build more secure sites then they would otherwise?

 

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: pseudo-memory leak

You would still use a hashed password that you wouldnt be able to guess,
plus you could also seed the userid before the hash.
or like I said before, use a uuid for the userid.

You wouldnt be guessing either one.

On 11/29/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That's really just security by obscurity.  If you hash the data, and I 
 know that you've hashed the data, I can set the data that I want and 
 hash that as well.. Your program wouldn't really know the difference.

 Lets say you were hashing userID's.  I would really just need to know 
 the valid range of userID's (Lets say 1 to 10), and then I can 
 hash each one of those using the same exact hash function you're using 
 (Coldfusion), and set my own cookie.  Then try accessing your site 
 with it.  That's a pretty simple brute force, wouldn't you say?  Much 
 easier then trying to guess the password.



 -Original Message-
 From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:43 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak

 Normally you would HASH the data so it cannot be extracted and used or 
 changed.

 -Original Message-
 From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 28 November 2005 23:40
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak

 Cookies are not very secure now, are they?  Lets say I was going to 
 let the user be logged in, and I wanted that to persist... So I would do..

 Client.userId=123456

 Now, the user has no way to change that... Now, lets say I store it in 
 the cookie...

 Cfcookie name=userId value=123456

 Now, the user can examine their cookies and know their userid.  Worse, 
 they can change the userid, and be logged in as a different user.

 Russ

 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:04 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: pseudo-memory leak

 I have never really found a need for client variables.  What benefit 
 do they really offer?  The only time I could see using them is when 
 you had something that you might think about storing in a cookie.  I 
 rarely come across a need like that where I dont really want a cookie,
 and if I do I usually just store it in the session.   Am I missing
 something there?

 On 11/28/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Are you still running another server on BD?  How is BD handling this
 issue?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:38 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: pseudo-memory leak
 
  I've written up my thoughts on what looks like the problem that the 
  House of Fusion server was facing for the last few weeks. It's a 
  problem that probably affects others but I'm not going to comment on 
  how wide spread it is until the full write-up on Fusion Authority.
  These are just my notes and thoughts.
  http://www.blogoffusion.com/index.cfm/2005/11/28/pseudomemory-leak
 
 
 
 







 



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RE: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?

2005-11-29 Thread Jim Davis
 -Original Message-
 From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:21 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Know with cf if Javascript is enabled?
 
 If the user has JS turned off, you're JS will not fire, and you won't
 find anything out about their browser.  Am I missing something?

Yup.  ;^)

The noscript tag (at the end) will still run and submit values of noJS
and zeros for everything else.

In my case I add the value to the session and only output this code if the
values don't exist in the session so as not to make a lot of unneeded calls.

It works pretty well for me.

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RE: iMS or alternatives?

2005-11-29 Thread Russ
Right But it's not CF's job to try to resend failed mail.  It's the job
of your mail server.  If you have a dedicated (or semidedicated) mail
server, why would you need to move the files back to the spool folder?  The
only reason would be if the connection to your mail server was somehow
broken, but other then that, you should never need to move the mail back,
right? 

-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: iMS or alternatives?

Yes, no version of CF retries sending failed mail. 

-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 November 2005 15:32
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: iMS or alternatives?

We've had a similar copy script for CF 4.5.  Is it still needed in 6.1/7? 

-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: iMS or alternatives?

We run an external Mdaemon Mail server that Is just used for mail posted
form web sites (i.e. cfmail, cdosys, asp email etc).
We have customers that send 100's of 1000's of mails per day, copes fine.
We also have a custom script we wrote which runs on each web server and
monitors the cfmail undelivr fodler. Every hour it will check it and if the
files are less than 24 hrs old, they are copied back to the spool, after 24
hrs they are deleted. 

-Original Message-
From: Greg Saunders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 November 2005 02:00
To: CF-Talk
Subject: iMS or alternatives?

I'm ready to give up on IIS SMTP for sending large volumes of mail from CF,
and am now looking at the inFusion Mail Server
(http://www.coolfusion.com/products/ims/index.cfm).  Any opinions on this or
other solutions?

Thanks,
Greg Saunders

PS if anyone has expertise in sending email to large numbers of subscribers,
getting on whitelists, etc., and is available for some consulting, can you
please contact me off list?










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RE: Google search appliance and Cold Fusion

2005-11-29 Thread Cornillon, Matthieu \(Consultant\)
I, too, have had experience with this sort of thing.  The approach I
used has a bunch of dummy index pages that spill out db content in a
way that will be interesting from a content perspective to people
searching Google, but with nothing else on them.  These index pages
are then set with CFLOCATION tags that automatically redirect all
visitors who don't match the IP address of the Google Search Appliance.
The redirects go to the real page instead of the dummy index page.
Doing it this way gives you very tight control over exactly what the GSA
indexes and how it does it, and it's pretty easy to code, since it's
just a bunch of simple pages that dump data.

You're welcome to contact me off list if you would like.

Hope this helps,
Matthieu

-Original Message-
From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Google search appliance and Cold Fusion


I have just started working at a place that has Google appliances being
used to index and search a huge amount of content. We're closing in on
the ceiling of our URL license and we're implementing a new version with
double the licenses.

Michael is right, the appliance indexes only URLs, so you need to build
a bunch of crawler pages to dump any db content you want to index. I
have done some work with it at this point and I'd be happy to share
whatever meager lessons I have learned from it with you. Get me off-list
at cfmunster at hotmail if you want more info.

Does anyone have any experience/recomendations/lessons learned about 
integrating a Google search appliance into a Cold Fusion server 
environment serving dozens of sites and hundreds of thousands of pages?

Thanks for any info,
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RE: pseudo-memory leak

2005-11-29 Thread Russ
The point is you have to jump through hoops to make cookies secure... Why
not just have a best practice not to store stuff in cookies, and to use
client variables instead, so that people not well versed in security can
build more secure sites then they would otherwise?

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: pseudo-memory leak

You would still use a hashed password that you wouldnt be able to guess,
plus you could also seed the userid before the hash.
or like I said before, use a uuid for the userid.

You wouldnt be guessing either one.


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RE: HELP!! Query - Loop - List - Form Madness

2005-11-29 Thread Cornillon, Matthieu \(Consultant\)
Molly,

Hi, there.  I think that using a database alias will do the trick.  If
you use this syntax:

CFQUERY name=getindiv datasource=sotl
   SELECT  #i# AS ProposalName
   FROMgrades06
   WHERE   readerid = #session.readerid#
/CFQUERY

then you can refer to that column as getindiv.ProposalName.

Also, I noticed along the way something I would clean up a bit. You can
replace all of this code:

cfset proposals = ''
cfoutput query=getproposals
cfset proposals = '#listappend(proposals,proposalid)#'
/cfoutput 

with this:

CFSET proposals=#ValueList(getproposals.proposalid)#

Hope this helps,
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RE: Jump to an anchor link inside an iframe

2005-11-29 Thread Cornillon, Matthieu \(Consultant\)
Andy,

Sorry.  That's what I meant to say.  The idea is that page 2 dynamically
builds the URL with the named anchor using information passed it by page
1.  So, for example, page 1 might link to:

page2.cfm?pageToLoad=nameOfPageToLoadanchorToLoad=nameOfAnchorToLoad

Then, page 2 loads #URL.pageToLoad#.cfm###URL.anchorToLoad# into the
iframe.

I think that's what you just said.  Hopefully, you have it working by
now and can ignore this babble.

;-)

Matthieu



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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Jump to an anchor link inside an iframe


Matthieu...

That's what I'm doing right now, but that *should* only work for the
page containing the iframe. Because technically THAT'S the page I'm
calling. I'm just passing some extra URL vars to allow me to load the
iframe page correctly.

A friend of mine suggested that instead of passing an anchor, to pass a
URL var called anchor in the query string. Then in the iframe code, if
that variable is present, I just created a named anchor and presto. I'm
getting ready to test it out right now.

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Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

2005-11-29 Thread Dave Ross
Is JRun the problem or is CF? You could try running CF7 in J2EE config on top 
of Tomcat (which does run on J2SE 5.0 in 64bit mode nicely), or any other app 
server for that matter.

If you get it to work, please allocate over 2gb of RAM to the JVM so I can be 
jealous.

Thanks!

-Dave

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 of people say it won't work, but I'm interested if anyone is under the 
 radar and does have it working.
 
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RE: pseudo-memory leak

2005-11-29 Thread Kerry
FYI, hashing something doesnt mean that it cant be extracted, why just the
other day my little 2Ghz workstation extracted a 5 character password from a
hash in about 5 minutes...

-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 November 2005 09:43
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak


Normally you would HASH the data so it cannot be extracted and used or
changed.

-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 November 2005 23:40
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak

Cookies are not very secure now, are they?  Lets say I was going to let the
user be logged in, and I wanted that to persist... So I would do..

Client.userId=123456

Now, the user has no way to change that... Now, lets say I store it in the
cookie...

Cfcookie name=userId value=123456

Now, the user can examine their cookies and know their userid.  Worse, they
can change the userid, and be logged in as a different user.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: pseudo-memory leak

I have never really found a need for client variables.  What benefit do they
really offer?  The only time I could see using them is when you had
something that you might think about storing in a cookie.  I rarely come
across a need like that where I dont really want a cookie,
and if I do I usually just store it in the session.   Am I missing
something there?

On 11/28/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are you still running another server on BD?  How is BD handling this
issue?

 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:38 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: pseudo-memory leak

 I've written up my thoughts on what looks like the problem that the
 House of Fusion server was facing for the last few weeks. It's a
 problem that probably affects others but I'm not going to comment on
 how wide spread it is until the full write-up on Fusion Authority.
 These are just my notes and thoughts.
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RE: SQL

2005-11-29 Thread Cornillon, Matthieu \(Consultant\)
CFSHEEPISHOops.  Should have known better than to make suggestions on
something I had never really done myself./CFSHEEPISH

:)

Now that I see it, Tanguy's suggestion is obviously the way to go.  The
temporary table thing that my friend here suggested was for something a
little more complicated.  

Slowly retreating...
Matthieu

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL


There is no need to use a temporary table to copy rows from table to
table!?

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Re: iMS or alternatives?

2005-11-29 Thread Matt Robertson
Right.  But its protection over another point of failure.  I have to
admit I don't bother with it anymore myself.

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RE: cfform popup

2005-11-29 Thread Mik Muller
Very nice little app!  I may want to use it one day, if that's 
alright with you. Excellent for db table searches.

BTW, I noticed a missing /tr tag in there, just after the website box:


td align=left valign=top
 div class=prostaffwebpanel
 div 
class=prowebpanelwww.fredleeflyfishing.com/div
 /div
 /td
 /table

Michael



At 01:55 AM 11/18/2005, you wrote:
ahh man u rule!!
THANKS I owe u !

I had to change a couple of things but I got it working. Strangly 
the movie would only load if the savecontent var was all on 1 line 
but it works :)

thanks again, lemme know when I can repay the favor :)

~Dave the disruptor~
good sites - make money getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/


From: Bobby Hartsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:46 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: cfform popup

It doesn't look like the other email is going to make it so here's the whole
thing pieced together in a working example. Mind the case sensitivity... it
drove me nuts!

var thisid =
showprostaff.dataProvider[showprostaff.selectedIndex]['staffid']; getURL
(javascript:var myWin; if(!myWin || myWin.closed){myWin =
window.open('profile.cfm?id= + thisid +
','Title','width=400,height=300,toolbar=0,location=0,directories=0,status=0
,menubar=0,scrollbars=0,resizable=0,top=100,left=100')}else{myWin.focus();};
void(0););

  query=p
  rowheaders=no
  format=flash
  height=200
  onchange=#popupAS# /

:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
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RE: pseudo-memory leak

2005-11-29 Thread Russ
Yea, I mentioned that before in the thread.  Theoretically, hashing should
be 1 way (so there is no way to turn the hash back into the value).  But you
could run a bruteforce against a hash, and be able to figure out what the
hashed value really is.  You can also build a table of all possible hashes,
and then it just becomes a linear search.  (I know someone who's got the
complete rainbow tables for windows passwords, and is able to find any
password within a few hours, I believe, if he's got the hash). 

 

-Original Message-
From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak

FYI, hashing something doesnt mean that it cant be extracted, why just the
other day my little 2Ghz workstation extracted a 5 character password from a
hash in about 5 minutes...

-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 November 2005 09:43
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak


Normally you would HASH the data so it cannot be extracted and used or
changed.

-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 November 2005 23:40
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak

Cookies are not very secure now, are they?  Lets say I was going to let the
user be logged in, and I wanted that to persist... So I would do..

Client.userId=123456

Now, the user has no way to change that... Now, lets say I store it in the
cookie...

Cfcookie name=userId value=123456

Now, the user can examine their cookies and know their userid.  Worse, they
can change the userid, and be logged in as a different user.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: pseudo-memory leak

I have never really found a need for client variables.  What benefit do they
really offer?  The only time I could see using them is when you had
something that you might think about storing in a cookie.  I rarely come
across a need like that where I dont really want a cookie,
and if I do I usually just store it in the session.   Am I missing
something there?

On 11/28/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are you still running another server on BD?  How is BD handling this
issue?

 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:38 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: pseudo-memory leak

 I've written up my thoughts on what looks like the problem that the 
 House of Fusion server was facing for the last few weeks. It's a 
 problem that probably affects others but I'm not going to comment on 
 how wide spread it is until the full write-up on Fusion Authority.
 These are just my notes and thoughts.
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Advance HTML form design

2005-11-29 Thread Robert Everland III
Does anyone have a site that has examples of some advanced HTML form design? 
I'm looking to do some more usable ways of inputting data and don't have access 
to an information architecht. Any help would be appreciated.



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Re: HELP!! Query - Loop - List - Form Madness

2005-11-29 Thread Molly Abraham
It does and it doesn't. . .cannot figure out why. . . it seems to work. . but 
only returns the column name:

cfquery name=getindiv datasource=sotl
select #i# as grade
from grades06
where readerid = #session.readerid#
/cfquery

tdcfoutput#getindiv.grade#/cfoutput (the column name -- ex:  404) 
is returned. . .not the value of '2' it contains.

Debugging:

getindiv (Datasource=sotl, Time=0ms, Records=1) in D:\Webpub\Wwwroot\ @ 
12:18:47.047

select 404 as grade
from grades06
where readerid = 2

Any more ideas??  Hugely grateful, but still apparently terminally slow. . .




Molly,

Hi, there.  I think that using a database alias will do the trick.  If
you use this syntax:

CFQUERY name=getindiv datasource=sotl
   SELECT  #i# AS ProposalName
   FROMgrades06
   WHERE   readerid = #session.readerid#
/CFQUERY

...then you can refer to that column as getindiv.ProposalName.

Also, I noticed along the way something I would clean up a bit. You can
replace all of this code:

cfset proposals = ''
cfoutput query=getproposals
cfset proposals = '#listappend(proposals,proposalid)#'
/cfoutput 

...with this:

CFSET proposals=#ValueList(getproposals.proposalid)#

Hope this helps,
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RE: pseudo-memory leak

2005-11-29 Thread Jim Davis
 -Original Message-
 From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:14 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak
 
 FYI, hashing something doesnt mean that it cant be extracted, why just the
 other day my little 2Ghz workstation extracted a 5 character password from
 a
 hash in about 5 minutes...

Actually it does - mostly because hashes aren't unique to the value.

You might have been lucky and extracted the same value, but MANY values
would end up with the same hash value.

So in a security sense the point is not to find the original value but to
find ANY value which results in the same hash.

This kind of thing is also why a lot of people use salt in their
algorithms: longer origin strings are harder to find matches for.

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Re: cfqueryparam and temp tables

2005-11-29 Thread Dave Phillips
I'm now working under the assumption that you cannot use cfqueryparam on temp 
tables.  Can anyone confirm whether or not this is documented anywhere and 
whether it is a feature, bug or both?  Also, is it database independent?  I'm 
using Informixwhat about MS SQL  Oracle?

 Hi,
 
 I'm on CFMX 7 with updater installed and my db is Informix 10
 
 Okay, here's the deal...when I create a temp table, do a select insert 
 into that table, and then later, if I do a select on that temp table, 
 join a permanent table, and use a cfqueryparam for one of my values, 
 the first time it runs, it works fine.  But with any subsequent runs, 
 I get:
 
 Table (dphillips.temp_csa_table_1) has been dropped, altered or 
 renamed. 
 
 My cfqueryparam is of type CF_SQL_VARCHAR.  If I eliminate the 
 cfqueryparam and put the value straight in (like column = 'blahblah' 
 instead of column = cfqueryparam value=blahblah 
 cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar), it works every time without an error.
 
 My *assumption* is that somehow cfqueryparam is altering the temp 
 table...Although I DROP the temp table before I create it, and when I 
 run it again, it is dropping, re-creating, and re-querying, it still 
 fails on the subsequent runs.  I have to re-cycle ColdFusion or change 
 the table name to get it to work again (and then it only works once 
 and fails after that).  I prefer not to get rid of the cfqueryparam 
 but at this point, it seems my only option.
 
 Any thoughts or comments on this?  Here's some pseudo-code:
 
 drop table tmp_tbl_1
 
 create temp table tmp_tbl_1(columns...) with no log
 
 insert into tmp_tbl_1(columns) SELECT columns... FROM .
 
 select columns FROM tmp_tbl_1, outer permtable WHERE ... column1 = 
 cfqueryparam value=blahblah cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
 
 Again, this works the first time, but not subsequent times If I 
 change the cfqueryparam to just be the value (i.e. 'blahblah'), then 
 it works EVERY time.
 
 TIA!
 
Dave

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RE: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

2005-11-29 Thread Paul
I'm so close to grasping this conversation...

Does the original question mean that a default installation of CFMX 7.01
will not run on Windows Server 64-bit?  Or is the problem simply because he
is trying to run it w/ a pre-installed JRun install?

Thanks...

-Original Message-
From: Dave Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:14 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

Is JRun the problem or is CF? You could try running CF7 in J2EE config on
top of Tomcat (which does run on J2SE 5.0 in 64bit mode nicely), or any
other app server for that matter.

If you get it to work, please allocate over 2gb of RAM to the JVM so I can
be jealous.

Thanks!

-Dave

 p.s. I should say that I know MM states that it won't work, and a lot 
 of people say it won't work, but I'm interested if anyone is under the 
 radar and does have it working.
 
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RE: Advance HTML form design

2005-11-29 Thread Ben Nadel
I don't know much about CFFORM stuff, but I think it provides some cool
stuff for really rich user internet experience. Haven't gone that way yet
myself.

-ben
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Re: HELP!! Query - Loop - List - Form Madness

2005-11-29 Thread Stephen Moretti
Molly,
 cfquery name=getproposals datasource=sotl
 select *
 from proposal06
 where readinggroup = #session.group#
 and status = 1
 order by proposalid asc
 /cfquery

 cfset proposals = ''

 cfoutput query=getproposals
 cfset proposals = '#listappend(proposals,proposalid)#'
 /cfoutput 
   
This loop here, can be replaced with cfset proposals = 
ValueList(getProposals.ProposalID)

 cfloop list=#proposals# index=i
 cfquery name=getgrades datasource=sotl
  select #i#
 from grades06
 where readerid = #session.readerid#
 /cfquery
 cfloop list=#getgrades.columnlist# index=i 
You've got a bit of a problem here.  Your outer loop for the list of 
proposals uses a variable i for the current ProposalID in the list 
called Proposals.  Your inner loop for the columns gained from the 
getGrades query also uses i in its loop.  This will overwrite the 
contents of i when you hit the inner loop, plus its also making your 
code difficult to read. Call your index variables something a little bit 
more meaningful, for instance in the outer loop replace i with 
thisProposalID and in the inner loop, thisGradeColumnName.

It should also be noted that you will only get one column in the 
getGrades query.  That column will be the same name as the contents of i 
in the list of proposal IDs and your getIndiv query will therefore be 
identical to that of the getGrades query.

I hate to say it, but I don't think any of your code after the 
getProposal query is working the way you intend it to.

What are the columns in both proposal06 and grade06 and can you give us 
an example of the data you seen in these tables for one proposal?

I'm inclinded to think that you need a JOIN of some kind in your SQL 
between the proposal and grade tables eg.

SELECT {columnlist}
FROM proposal06 AS P
LEFT JOIN grades06 AS G ON P.ProposalID = G.ProposalID
WHERE P.readinggroup = #session.group#
AND P.status = 1
AND G.readerID = #session.readerid#
ORDER BY P.ProposalID

where {columnlist} is the columns you need to display from the two tables.

You would then output the proposals and grades something like this :

cfoutput query=ProposalGrades
#ProposalGrades.ProposalTitle# -
select name=#ProposalGrades.ProposalID#
option value=1 #IIF(ProposalGrades.Grade EQ 
1,DE('selected'),DE(''))#Accepted/option
option value=0 #IIF(ProposalGrades.Grade EQ 
0,DE('selected'),DE(''))#Reject/option
option value=2 #IIF(ProposalGrades.Grade EQ 
2,DE('selected'),DE(''))#Maybe/option
option value=3 #IIF(ProposalGrades.Grade EQ  OR 
ProposalGrades.Grade EQ 3,DE('selected'),DE(''))#Not Yet Graded/option
/select
/cfoutput

Its not an ideal solution, but its probably more towards where you need 
to be.

Hope that helps

Regards

Stephen

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Re: incorrect pound sign (£)

2005-11-29 Thread Dave Phillips
I don't know the answer, but it probably has something to do with character 
sets and/or encoding.  Maybe this will help you find an answer on Google.

Dave

 HELP !!!
 
 everything was running fine until we moved to coldfusion mx (6.1) and 
 upgraded our MySQL from 3.x to 4.1.
 
 Every time we post data to a text field the pound sign shows correctly 
 but when we output it using coldfsuion is appears as a 'a' symbol with 
 a tick above it. when i send it to a pdf it appears as a question mark. 
 it will not output as a pound sign.
 
 Does anyone know how to correct this 
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RE: jrun memory usage on Server

2005-11-29 Thread Snake
You are probably exceeding the max memory size, check your jvm.config. 

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Kaptein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 14:09
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: jrun memory usage on Server

 
We just had the same thing.  We are running a very intense application on
our server - Windows 2003, 4GB RAM.  When the memory usage gets to approx
577MB jrun simply quits executing and the requests que.  Is this something I
need to do on the server or is there something with coldfusion I need to
look at?

Sincerely,
 
Kurt Kaptein

-Original Message-
From: George Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:31 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: jrun memory usage on multiple CFMX instances

All,
We have a Windows 2003 server that has five CFMX instances running on it
which service five different sites. The average memory usage for the
jrun.exe (when absolutely nothing is hitting the sites) is about 53MB.
Together they eat up about 300MB. Is this normal? If not, what is normal?

TIA,
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RE: Backbase

2005-11-29 Thread Snake
Jesus, if u think that is cheap, how much is FLEX? 

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From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2005 15:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Backbase

And its only $13,920 for a vanilla 2-cpu server.  That should be an easy
sell. :-(

CF, I think, is the only avenue to affordable RIA's for all but the largest
clients (via Flex tech creeping into the product over a period of a few
years) unless some white knight comes in via open source. 
There's just not a compelling case for this technology given its pricing
unless your client is way up on top of the food chain.

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Re: pseudo-memory leak

2005-11-29 Thread Ryan Guill
Alright, so you can find out what the hash is, so you have *your*
password.  Now how are you going to find the user ID of someone else
(especially if it is an uuid) and figure out their password?  Plus,
once again you can seed the hash if you are worried about it.

Sure, you have to think about security a little bit when using
cookies, but to me, thats a small price to pay and worth the tradeoff
not to use client vars.  There just isnt much that I ever want to
store in a cookie, the userid and password being one of the few
examples.  Anything else is just preferences like font size or
something silly.  But I would much rather think about security and use
cookies than client vars.  They are just too prone to problems imo.

On 11/29/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yea, I mentioned that before in the thread.  Theoretically, hashing should
 be 1 way (so there is no way to turn the hash back into the value).  But you
 could run a bruteforce against a hash, and be able to figure out what the
 hashed value really is.  You can also build a table of all possible hashes,
 and then it just becomes a linear search.  (I know someone who's got the
 complete rainbow tables for windows passwords, and is able to find any
 password within a few hours, I believe, if he's got the hash).



 -Original Message-
 From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:14 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak

 FYI, hashing something doesnt mean that it cant be extracted, why just the
 other day my little 2Ghz workstation extracted a 5 character password from a
 hash in about 5 minutes...

 -Original Message-
 From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 29 November 2005 09:43
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak


 Normally you would HASH the data so it cannot be extracted and used or
 changed.

 -Original Message-
 From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 28 November 2005 23:40
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: pseudo-memory leak

 Cookies are not very secure now, are they?  Lets say I was going to let the
 user be logged in, and I wanted that to persist... So I would do..

 Client.userId=123456

 Now, the user has no way to change that... Now, lets say I store it in the
 cookie...

 Cfcookie name=userId value=123456

 Now, the user can examine their cookies and know their userid.  Worse, they
 can change the userid, and be logged in as a different user.

 Russ

 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:04 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: pseudo-memory leak

 I have never really found a need for client variables.  What benefit do they
 really offer?  The only time I could see using them is when you had
 something that you might think about storing in a cookie.  I rarely come
 across a need like that where I dont really want a cookie,
 and if I do I usually just store it in the session.   Am I missing
 something there?

 On 11/28/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Are you still running another server on BD?  How is BD handling this
 issue?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:38 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: pseudo-memory leak
 
  I've written up my thoughts on what looks like the problem that the
  House of Fusion server was facing for the last few weeks. It's a
  problem that probably affects others but I'm not going to comment on
  how wide spread it is until the full write-up on Fusion Authority.
  These are just my notes and thoughts.
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