RE: Using CF with ArgoSoft Email Server Plus
Thanks, Dave...and Happy New Year! Rick > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:57 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Using CF with ArgoSoft Email Server Plus > > > > Are any of you using ArgoSoft Email Server with CF? > > > > I've installed the Plus version and it does handle multiple > > domains, but I want to know for sure that it will allow > > my clients to send mail through their websites from > > their email addresses using their domain names to > > people on their distribution lists. > > > > e.g...My domain the server runs on is whitestonemedia.com. > > But I want to make sure my clients can send mail from, say, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > I'm allowing SMTP relay, but only authenticated. > > I don't know anything about ArgoSoft, but generally if you have a server > that accepts SMTP relay messages, you can put whatever you want > for the from > and reply-to addresses. You should be able to test this easily with a > made-up email address. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228104 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Using CF with ArgoSoft Email Server Plus
> Are any of you using ArgoSoft Email Server with CF? > > I've installed the Plus version and it does handle multiple > domains, but I want to know for sure that it will allow > my clients to send mail through their websites from > their email addresses using their domain names to > people on their distribution lists. > > e.g...My domain the server runs on is whitestonemedia.com. > But I want to make sure my clients can send mail from, say, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'm allowing SMTP relay, but only authenticated. I don't know anything about ArgoSoft, but generally if you have a server that accepts SMTP relay messages, you can put whatever you want for the from and reply-to addresses. You should be able to test this easily with a made-up email address. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228103 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Sake to me. Straight from the bottle? You're a good man. On 12/31/05, Matt Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 12/31/05, Michael Clayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Later on, we can sit at the pub with our mates and talk about how we > > obliterated our opponent in an online discussion group about proper > coding > > practices in a web-based programming language. Our collective glory > will > > blind the masses. > > They won't be blinded. They'll be asleep. Lulled into a comatose > state by the gentle susurrations of dim pedantic mutterings versus > shrill freewheeling muse. > > Happy freakin' new year. Where is that sake bottle I put down? > > -- > --mattRobertson-- > Janitor, MSB Web Systems > mysecretbase.com > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228102 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
On 12/31/05, Michael Clayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Later on, we can sit at the pub with our mates and talk about how we > obliterated our opponent in an online discussion group about proper coding > practices in a web-based programming language. Our collective glory will > blind the masses. They won't be blinded. They'll be asleep. Lulled into a comatose state by the gentle susurrations of dim pedantic mutterings versus shrill freewheeling muse. Happy freakin' new year. Where is that sake bottle I put down? -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228101 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
On 12/31/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK go with x, and then when your not happy with the work, come and pay me to > do it properly. My job title is "Janitor" for precisely this reason. Cleaning up big systems that started out as being made by creative souls who skipped barefoot thru the code base, listening to their hearts, loving freely and ignoring the grumpy old establishment fuds... They showed their clients a thing or two... and got fired. I replaced them. :-| -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228100 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Using CF with ArgoSoft Email Server Plus
Hi, guys... I see a few of your are online and continuing "discussions"... Are any of you using ArgoSoft Email Server with CF? I've installed the Plus version and it does handle multiple domains, but I want to know for sure that it will allow my clients to send mail through their websites from their email addresses using their domain names to people on their distribution lists. e.g...My domain the server runs on is whitestonemedia.com. But I want to make sure my clients can send mail from, say, [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm allowing SMTP relay, but only authenticated. Input anyone? Rick ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228099 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Agreed - that's the best post this year (of course it's 2006 now in Oz, so there aren't that many posts with which to compare :-) On 1/1/06, Michael Clayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm afraid this discussion has veered off-course and into the land of > personal bickering. I propose that each of us drop the discussion and > consider ourselves the victor. > > Later on, we can sit at the pub with our mates and talk about how we > obliterated our opponent in an online discussion group about proper coding > practices in a web-based programming language. Our collective glory will > blind the masses. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228098 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
I'm afraid this discussion has veered off-course and into the land of personal bickering. I propose that each of us drop the discussion and consider ourselves the victor. Later on, we can sit at the pub with our mates and talk about how we obliterated our opponent in an online discussion group about proper coding practices in a web-based programming language. Our collective glory will blind the masses. -- Michael Clayton www.twilighted.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228097 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
Unintelligible? Why? Because I didn't pussy foot around and say everything by saying nothing? Good on ya... Maybe you should reread the thread and point out the spot where I said... "Hey Dave... you're a dumbass and your preferences are stupid... come down of your metaphoric pedestal and argue with me about it." And we'll start over there... but don't think for a second that all your acorn, brick and doctor analogies made any of your posts more 'intelligible' than anyone else's. Happy new year to you too ;-) ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML In Application.cfm > At any rate... I "prefer" to do so. > > ... > But im sure none of those experiences concluded that putting html > or includes in an Application.cfm "doesn't work" In that case, you should read the thread so you can understand what we were actually discussing, rather than assuming we were discussing the original poster's question. > Output #LiteralDave# somwhere to see what it says. Of course > I didn't have time to write the RandomSimilie component... so > I hope you can make it all out ok. ;-) No, your response is pretty unintelligible. Happy new year anyway, though. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228096 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
> At any rate... I "prefer" to do so. > > ... > But im sure none of those experiences concluded that putting html > or includes in an Application.cfm "doesn't work" In that case, you should read the thread so you can understand what we were actually discussing, rather than assuming we were discussing the original poster's question. > Output #LiteralDave# somwhere to see what it says. Of course > I didn't have time to write the RandomSimilie component... so > I hope you can make it all out ok. ;-) No, your response is pretty unintelligible. Happy new year anyway, though. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228095 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
> but I'd prefer it if you didn't complain to me about it. Isn't that usually the "best practice" when you find you don't like something? Open it up for discussion/debate/argument/barrage of similes? At any rate... I "prefer" to do so. > Thank you very much for your helpful advice on how to write. > However, I notice that you didn't write your answer in CF, but English. Yes, in plain english minus an assload of similes and metaphors... I'll keep you in mind next time. > Oh, I don't know, perhaps because a lot of people - probably quite a bit > smarter than the both of us - have gained valuable and useful experience > about what works and what doesn't? Speak for yourself. Im obviously rather full of myself and happen to believe no one is smarter lol j/k But im sure none of those experiences concluded that putting html or includes in an Application.cfm "doesn't work" > No, see, that's how conditional logic works No that's how deduction and reasoning MIGHT have worked if you used it correctly but most definitely NOT conditional logic > Perhaps less bitterness, and more attention to detail, will help the next > time you want to spruce something up. No... it seems to have worked just fine ;-) Output #LiteralDave# somwhere to see what it says. Of course I didn't have time to write the RandomSimilie component... so I hope you can make it all out ok. ;-) ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228094 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Wireframing Recommendations?
You can also check out Rebar too: http://developer.fusium.com/tools/rebar.cfm -- Scott Stroz Boyzoid.com ___ Some days you are the dog, Some days you are the tree. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228093 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
lol sh***tt hey im ok and fun, just short tempered lol its will. between his shittin himself and having to stop at every rest stop (since he has a "thing" for those) I sure do feel for bobby! ~Dave the disruptor~ google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ From: "Snake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 8:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML In Application.cfm Imagine a road trip with Will and Dave -Original Message- From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 December 2005 20:10 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML In Application.cfm Separating anything wasn't the question of this topic... it's how to include something in 2400 pages easily (by the time you started posting anyway)... and in this case it would be done easily with Application.cfm (you've agreed) but separating milk from eggs or planting trees or spooning with your doctor has nothing to do with anything CF related which... btw.. is the language in question... not English. You want to say something without actually saying it? Use pseudo code, examples and experiences. > I don't think any of the responses to the original poster said that > doing this would break anything I don't recall saying otherwise... but the only reason I can think of for absolutley excluding a possible solution is that it would 'break' something... not because it might put an html tag in the 'business logic' of your HTML application. I was merely pointing out that it would not break it. > Uh, you know, I thought Silent Bob was ... silent? Just a side note but... Kevin Smith (Silent Bob) talks in every movie he's ever been in > It is NOT all preferences and habits. Or at least, it shouldn't be. Why shouldn't it be? Because it's not your preference? > there's a body of knowledge that's been built up by the experiences > and study of others. Who? Trees, acorns, ill-equipped doctors and well organized refridgerators? > In the case of the original poster, I'd probably do the same thing as > he's > doing. But if I were building the application from scratch, I probably > wouldn't. He probably wouldn't either after this little 2400 page adventure. I guess the best 'saying' for Tim and his 2400 pages in this case would be... "You can't polish a turd" so just use your Application.cfm to fix your problem. Now you know that in the future you'll want to be a little more mindful of an applications growth and scalability no matter how small you THINK its going to 'stay' because things just don't always work out the way we expect them to. Now you have your own experience and "study" to base your decisions on and don't have to rely on spooning your dentist. > If you don't think that's a worthy topic of discussion You have to wait for me to say it before you are allowed to insinuate that I said or thought it. ;-) But he's seen the good and bad side of both and will make his choice as to the best solution for him and his next application... and THAT... is a preference no matter where you let your doctor stick his eating utensils. Of course, I may just be a little bitter since I started reading a 60 post strong thread that started out OK, got weak, then got better and then turned to shit... and just decided I wanted to spruce up the ending a little... maaayb And mybe im just bitter because I have to go on a road trip with Will (Who, incidentally, has went through the spoon procedure with his doctor and now has huge gas problems...) ;-) :.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228092 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
Imagine a road trip with Will and Dave -Original Message- From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 December 2005 20:10 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML In Application.cfm Separating anything wasn't the question of this topic... it's how to include something in 2400 pages easily (by the time you started posting anyway)... and in this case it would be done easily with Application.cfm (you've agreed) but separating milk from eggs or planting trees or spooning with your doctor has nothing to do with anything CF related which... btw.. is the language in question... not English. You want to say something without actually saying it? Use pseudo code, examples and experiences. > I don't think any of the responses to the original poster said that > doing this would break anything I don't recall saying otherwise... but the only reason I can think of for absolutley excluding a possible solution is that it would 'break' something... not because it might put an html tag in the 'business logic' of your HTML application. I was merely pointing out that it would not break it. > Uh, you know, I thought Silent Bob was ... silent? Just a side note but... Kevin Smith (Silent Bob) talks in every movie he's ever been in > It is NOT all preferences and habits. Or at least, it shouldn't be. Why shouldn't it be? Because it's not your preference? > there's a body of knowledge that's been built up by the experiences > and study of others. Who? Trees, acorns, ill-equipped doctors and well organized refridgerators? > In the case of the original poster, I'd probably do the same thing as > he's > doing. But if I were building the application from scratch, I probably > wouldn't. He probably wouldn't either after this little 2400 page adventure. I guess the best 'saying' for Tim and his 2400 pages in this case would be... "You can't polish a turd" so just use your Application.cfm to fix your problem. Now you know that in the future you'll want to be a little more mindful of an applications growth and scalability no matter how small you THINK its going to 'stay' because things just don't always work out the way we expect them to. Now you have your own experience and "study" to base your decisions on and don't have to rely on spooning your dentist. > If you don't think that's a worthy topic of discussion You have to wait for me to say it before you are allowed to insinuate that I said or thought it. ;-) But he's seen the good and bad side of both and will make his choice as to the best solution for him and his next application... and THAT... is a preference no matter where you let your doctor stick his eating utensils. Of course, I may just be a little bitter since I started reading a 60 post strong thread that started out OK, got weak, then got better and then turned to shit... and just decided I wanted to spruce up the ending a little... maaayb And mybe im just bitter because I have to go on a road trip with Will (Who, incidentally, has went through the spoon procedure with his doctor and now has huge gas problems...) ;-) ...:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228091 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
To which you say. OK go with x, and then when your not happy with the work, come and pay me to do it properly. -Original Message- From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 December 2005 17:06 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML In Application.cfm lol Ade .. which is often followed by "and we've been quoted half that price by x" . -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 December 2005 16:31 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML In Application.cfm Daniel San, wise is the man who fears the client saying "it's a simple application"... ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228090 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Because professional experience has shown that a scalpel works better. To get back to the IT world, the entire ITIL suite of best practices is built up from the experience of professionals who have seen what goes wrong when alternative practices are followed. To say that there are no best practices and one can just make up methods on the spot ignores an entire body of knowlege that another professional may expect one has employed. On 1/1/06, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>"my preference is to use a spoon for that" would that be ok with you? > > Why not ? As far as he keeps them separated from forks ;-)) -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228089 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Problems installing MX 7.01 on Windows 2003 Server Standard
There is no file as that, that's coldfusion5 -Original Message- From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 December 2005 20:20 To: CF-Talk Subject: Problems installing MX 7.01 on Windows 2003 Server Standard I'm doing an OS reinstall on my development workstation. I've got Windows 2003 Server standard installed with all patches, service packs, and hotfixes installed. I just downloaded the MX 7.01 installer from Macromedia.com. The installation seemed to go fine, but gave me an "Errors occurred during installation" message. The MX App Server service will not start. I tried to go to the Administrator (which I knew would not start) and got a 404; the CFIDE virtual directory hadn't been created. I found technote 18689 on macromedia.com for installing 6.1 on IIS6 and the one thing that stuck out to me was that I couldn't find c:\cfusionmx7\bin\iscf.dll Has anyone had this problem, and what did you do to resolve it? Thanks Pete ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228088 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
> Separating anything wasn't the question of this topic... it's > how to include something in 2400 pages easily (by the time you > started posting anyway)... Again, if you read the entire thread carefully, you will see that I replied to a specific question posed by Claude. His question was not the same as the original poster's question, which I replied to separately. Claude's question was "what is the value of separating presentation logic from application logic?" > and in this case it would be done easily with Application.cfm > (you've agreed) but separating milk from eggs or planting trees > or spooning with your doctor has nothing to do with anything CF > related which... btw.. is the language in question... not English. > You want to say something without actually saying it? Use pseudo > code, examples and experiences. Thank you very much for your helpful advice on how to write. However, I notice that you didn't write your answer in CF, but English. Personally, I find similes and metaphors to be useful in explaining things. If you don't, that's all well and good, but I'd prefer it if you didn't complain to me about it. And again, if you read the thread, you will see that I did post examples and experiences pertaining to separating presentation code from generic application logic. > > It is NOT all preferences and habits. Or at least, it shouldn't > > be. > > Why shouldn't it be? Because it's not your preference? Oh, I don't know, perhaps because a lot of people - probably quite a bit smarter than the both of us - have gained valuable and useful experience about what works and what doesn't? > > If you don't think that's a worthy topic of discussion > > You have to wait for me to say it before you are allowed to > insinuate that I said or thought it. ;-) No, see, that's how conditional logic works. I can specify a condition, which, if met, causes a specific response. As a programmer, you might find that concept useful in the future. For example, assuming that the variable "dumbAss" below can be cast as a Boolean: #Variables.snideRemark# Now, that's not saying dumbAss is true, but if it is, we can respond appropriately. > Of course, I may just be a little bitter since I started > reading a 60 post strong thread that started out OK, got weak, > then got better and then turned to shit... and just decided I > wanted to spruce up the ending a little... Maaayb I don't think you did a very good job. That's just my opinion, of course. Perhaps less bitterness, and more attention to detail, will help the next time you want to spruce something up. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228087 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Problems installing MX 7.01 on Windows 2003 Server Standard
A quick search on google with the following phrase: "JNDI port 2920" coldfusion came up with: http://www.macromedia.com/go/228c3aaa I had the same problem. Uninstall SP1, install CF, then reapply SP1. It's a pain in the ass but there's not much else you can do about it (that I know of). Good luck, Mike Pete Ruckelshaus wrote: > OK, here are the errors from the install log: > ANT Script Error: > Status: ERROR > Additional Notes: ERROR - > standalone.xmljava.io.FileNotFoundException: C:\CFusionMX7\tmpmove.bat > (Access is denied) > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228086 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Problems installing MX 7.01 on Windows 2003 Server Standard
OK, here are the errors from the install log: ANT Script Error: Status: ERROR Additional Notes: ERROR - standalone.xmljava.io.FileNotFoundException: C:\CFusionMX7\tmpmove.bat (Access is denied) ANT Script Error: Status: ERROR Additional Notes: ERROR - standalone.xmlC:\CFusionMX7\lib not found. Web Server Connector Configuration Error Status: ERROR Additional Notes: ERROR - JNDI port 2920 for server coldfusion is not active And here are the contents of the last set of messages in the coldfusion-error.log: [1]jrunx.kernel.ServiceException: No LicenseService configured; server terminating at jrunx.kernel.JRunServiceDeployer.deployServices(JRunServiceDeployer.java:94) at jrunx.kernel.DeploymentService.loadServices(DeploymentService.java:46) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source) at com.sun.management.jmx.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java:1628) at com.sun.management.jmx.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java:1523) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.startServer(JRun.java:575) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.(JRun.java:493) at jrunx.kernel.JRun$1.run(JRun.java:346) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.start(JRun.java:343) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.startByNTService(JRun.java:427) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.invoke(JRun.java:180) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.main(JRun.java:168) [0]javax.management.MBeanException: Exception thrown in operation loadServices at com.sun.management.jmx.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java:1644) at com.sun.management.jmx.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java:1523) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.startServer(JRun.java:575) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.(JRun.java:493) at jrunx.kernel.JRun$1.run(JRun.java:346) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.start(JRun.java:343) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.startByNTService(JRun.java:427) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.invoke(JRun.java:180) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.main(JRun.java:168) ServiceFactory unable to create Service of class coldfusion.license.OEMLicenseService jrunx.kernel.ServiceException: Root Cause: javax.management.ReflectionException: The MBean class could not be loaded by the default loader repository at jrunx.kernel.ServiceFactory.createService(ServiceFactory.java:63) at jrunx.kernel.JRunServiceDeployer.loadMBeans(JRunServiceDeployer.java:164) at jrunx.kernel.JRunServiceDeployer.deployServices(JRunServiceDeployer.java:85) at jrunx.kernel.DeploymentService.loadServices(DeploymentService.java:46) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source) at com.sun.management.jmx.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java:1628) at com.sun.management.jmx.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java:1523) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.startServer(JRun.java:575) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.(JRun.java:493) at jrunx.kernel.JRun$1.run(JRun.java:346) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.start(JRun.java:343) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.startByNTService(JRun.java:427) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.invoke(JRun.java:180) at jrunx.kernel.JRun.main(JRun.java:168) ServiceFactory unable to create Service of class coldfusion.server.jrun4.metrics.MetricsServiceAdapter jrunx.kernel.ServiceException: Root Cause: javax.management.ReflectionException: The MBean class could not be loaded by the default
Re: Problems installing MX 7.01 on Windows 2003 Server Standard
Check for a more specific message in the CFMX install log. On my XP development machine that lives at C:/CFusion/Macromedia_ColdFusion_MX_7_InstallLog.log YMMV -Cameron On 12/31/05, Pete Ruckelshaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm doing an OS reinstall on my development workstation. I've got > Windows 2003 Server standard installed with all patches, service > packs, and hotfixes installed. I just downloaded the MX 7.01 > installer from Macromedia.com. The installation seemed to go fine, > but gave me an "Errors occurred during installation" message. The MX > App Server service will not start. I tried to go to the Administrator > (which I knew would not start) and got a 404; the CFIDE virtual > directory hadn't been created. > > I found technote 18689 on macromedia.com for installing 6.1 on IIS6 > and the one thing that stuck out to me was that I couldn't find > c:\cfusionmx7\bin\iscf.dll > > Has anyone had this problem, and what did you do to resolve it? > > Thanks > > Pete -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell: 678.637.5072 aim: cameroncf email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228084 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Problems installing MX 7.01 on Windows 2003 Server Standard
I'm doing an OS reinstall on my development workstation. I've got Windows 2003 Server standard installed with all patches, service packs, and hotfixes installed. I just downloaded the MX 7.01 installer from Macromedia.com. The installation seemed to go fine, but gave me an "Errors occurred during installation" message. The MX App Server service will not start. I tried to go to the Administrator (which I knew would not start) and got a 404; the CFIDE virtual directory hadn't been created. I found technote 18689 on macromedia.com for installing 6.1 on IIS6 and the one thing that stuck out to me was that I couldn't find c:\cfusionmx7\bin\iscf.dll Has anyone had this problem, and what did you do to resolve it? Thanks Pete ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228083 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
Separating anything wasn't the question of this topic... it's how to include something in 2400 pages easily (by the time you started posting anyway)... and in this case it would be done easily with Application.cfm (you've agreed) but separating milk from eggs or planting trees or spooning with your doctor has nothing to do with anything CF related which... btw.. is the language in question... not English. You want to say something without actually saying it? Use pseudo code, examples and experiences. > I don't think any of the responses to the original poster said that doing > this would break anything I don't recall saying otherwise... but the only reason I can think of for absolutley excluding a possible solution is that it would 'break' something... not because it might put an html tag in the 'business logic' of your HTML application. I was merely pointing out that it would not break it. > Uh, you know, I thought Silent Bob was ... silent? Just a side note but... Kevin Smith (Silent Bob) talks in every movie he's ever been in > It is NOT all preferences and habits. Or at least, it shouldn't be. Why shouldn't it be? Because it's not your preference? > there's a body of knowledge that's been built up by the experiences and > study of others. Who? Trees, acorns, ill-equipped doctors and well organized refridgerators? > In the case of the original poster, I'd probably do the same thing as he's > doing. But if I were building the application from scratch, I probably > wouldn't. He probably wouldn't either after this little 2400 page adventure. I guess the best 'saying' for Tim and his 2400 pages in this case would be... "You can't polish a turd" so just use your Application.cfm to fix your problem. Now you know that in the future you'll want to be a little more mindful of an applications growth and scalability no matter how small you THINK its going to 'stay' because things just don't always work out the way we expect them to. Now you have your own experience and "study" to base your decisions on and don't have to rely on spooning your dentist. > If you don't think that's a worthy topic of discussion You have to wait for me to say it before you are allowed to insinuate that I said or thought it. ;-) But he's seen the good and bad side of both and will make his choice as to the best solution for him and his next application... and THAT... is a preference no matter where you let your doctor stick his eating utensils. Of course, I may just be a little bitter since I started reading a 60 post strong thread that started out OK, got weak, then got better and then turned to shit... and just decided I wanted to spruce up the ending a little... maaayb And mybe im just bitter because I have to go on a road trip with Will (Who, incidentally, has went through the spoon procedure with his doctor and now has huge gas problems...) ;-) ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228082 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
>>"my preference is to use a spoon for that" would that be ok with you? Why not ? As far as he keeps them separated from forks ;-)) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228081 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
Oh, and just one additional item; I was responding to Claude's question about why you should separate presentation logic from business logic at all. If you don't think that's a worthy topic of discussion, I can only respectfully disagree. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228080 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
> what is this? CF_FotuneCookie_Talk? I was simply using similes. They're pretty commonly used in English. So are metaphors. > Cute little anecdotes or Mr. Miagi/Yoda/Silent Bob like sayings > won't change it. Uh, you know, I thought Silent Bob was ... silent? > The person who asked the question originally now knows > that... but he's stuck with a 2400 page application that > needs some consistent code... wtf... put it in > Application.cfm... it won't break regardless of > anything that some 'framework' Nazi ever told you. > Functionally, there is nothing wrong with putting a > header or an include in your application.cfm if you > know it's going to go across the entire site. I don't think any of the responses to the original poster said that doing this would break anything. He asked about the pros and cons, and he got appropriate responses. In the case of the original poster, I'd probably do the same thing as he's doing. But if I were building the application from scratch, I probably wouldn't. > It's all preferences and habits... And YOUR preferences > and habits will best suit you but you (and everyone else) > will go through trial and errors just like this one to set > your preference. It is NOT all preferences and habits. Or at least, it shouldn't be. What other kind of profession lets you just follow preferences and habits? If you went to a doctor to have your appendix taken out, and he told you "my preference is to use a spoon for that" would that be ok with you? Preferences and habits are fine for things that no one else will have to deal with. There's more to programming than preferences and habits - there's a body of knowledge that's been built up by the experiences and study of others. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228079 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
> Separating logic from display may be good in theory, but it just > does not correspond to reality when dynamic HTML is involved. If > there is no logic in dynamic HTML, then it's not dynamic anymore. No one's saying you shouldn't have any logic in your HTML generation. The question is, what sort of logic should you have there? You could just put everything there, or you could separate the things that have to do specifically with page generation from the things that have to do with the overall logic of how your application works. The stuff that generates your page is typically called "presentation logic". The stuff that does other things is typically called "business logic" or something similar. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228078 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
lol Ade .. which is often followed by "and we've been quoted half that price by x" . -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 December 2005 16:31 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML In Application.cfm Daniel San, wise is the man who fears the client saying "it's a simple application"... ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228077 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
Lol... see... didn't change a thing ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML In Application.cfm Daniel San, wise is the man who fears the client saying "it's a simple application"... -Original Message- From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 December 2005 15:33 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML In Application.cfm >Cute little anecdotes or Mr. Miagi/Yoda/Silent Bob like sayings won't change it. Bobby Hartsfield ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228076 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
Daniel San, wise is the man who fears the client saying "it's a simple application"... -Original Message- From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 December 2005 15:33 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML In Application.cfm >Cute little anecdotes or Mr. Miagi/Yoda/Silent Bob like sayings won't change it. Bobby Hartsfield ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228075 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Currency formatting
I assume you ended up with On 12/31/05, Jennifer Gavin-Wear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ok, figured it out .. thanks :-) -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228074 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
> Just as mighty oaks from little acorns grow > You will not make an extreme look any beter just by showing how stupid is the opposite extreme ;-) what is this? CF_FotuneCookie_Talk? You're BOTH right and arguing/debating about it until your both blue in the face is not going to help anyone. It all boils down to experience and preference in the end... p-e-r-i-o-d. Cute little anecdotes or Mr. Miagi/Yoda/Silent Bob like sayings won't change it. Organize EVERYTHING in a manner that best suites the application and its growth whether or not the plan is to let it grow because, regardless of what your PM or client tells you... the possibility is always there. I know that, you both know that and everyone here who has built an app that finally grew so far out of control that it was a pain in the ass to manage anymore... knows that. Everyone else will learn the same lessons when it happens to them... (and it will)... The person who asked the question originally now knows that... but he's stuck with a 2400 page application that needs some consistent code... wtf... put it in Application.cfm... it won't break regardless of anything that some 'framework' Nazi ever told you. Functionally, there is nothing wrong with putting a header or an include in your application.cfm if you know it's going to go across the entire site. It's all preferences and habits... And YOUR preferences and habits will best suit you but you (and everyone else) will go through trial and errors just like this one to set your preference. The first person to come back with... "I wipe my ass from front to back but that doesn't make it the 'best' way to do it does it?" is a fool because yes... otherwise you'de have doodoo on your hoohoo ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: HTML In Application.cfm >>I suspect you could write your entire application within Application.cfm. However, I don't think that would be a good idea. You will not make an extreme look any beter just by showing how stupid is the opposite extreme ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228073 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Currency formatting
ok, figured it out .. thanks :-)
-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 31 December 2005 15:13
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Currency formatting
looks like it needs to be set in the application.cfm as when it's set in a
template as soon as the browser moves to another template it goes back to
the original currency.
I still can't figure out the syntax though .. duh
-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 31 December 2005 15:06
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Currency formatting
Thanks James and Ade ..
Sorry .. thicko here .. so it looks like I can set the locale for each site
in the application.cfm?
And if so .. I don't get the syntax ...
The docs show:
#SetLocale("English (UK)")#
which is great if i want to display it, and I see it makes the necessary
change on the site, too. but how do I just set it without displaying it?
Thanks, Jenny
-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 31 December 2005 14:23
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Currency formatting
Are you using the CF SetLocale() function somewhere during the request?
On 12/31/05, Jennifer Gavin-Wear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've got a wierd problem with my currency formatting. I've formatted
prices
> using the 'local' option and they've suddenly started appearing in dollars
> and not UKP. I've checked the o/s and that's set to ukp, so I'm not sure
> what's causing it.
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RE: Currency formatting
looks like it needs to be set in the application.cfm as when it's set in a
template as soon as the browser moves to another template it goes back to
the original currency.
I still can't figure out the syntax though .. duh
-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 31 December 2005 15:06
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Currency formatting
Thanks James and Ade ..
Sorry .. thicko here .. so it looks like I can set the locale for each site
in the application.cfm?
And if so .. I don't get the syntax ...
The docs show:
#SetLocale("English (UK)")#
which is great if i want to display it, and I see it makes the necessary
change on the site, too. but how do I just set it without displaying it?
Thanks, Jenny
-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 31 December 2005 14:23
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Currency formatting
Are you using the CF SetLocale() function somewhere during the request?
On 12/31/05, Jennifer Gavin-Wear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've got a wierd problem with my currency formatting. I've formatted
prices
> using the 'local' option and they've suddenly started appearing in dollars
> and not UKP. I've checked the o/s and that's set to ukp, so I'm not sure
> what's causing it.
--
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Re: HTML In Application.cfm
>>Why do we have neat little plastic things to keep our knives, forks, and spoons separate? It's all organization. The problem is not with idea of "separating", the problem is with "what you are separating" Beside forks and spoons, certain religious persons also have two fridges and two sinks in their kitchen, because they separate milk products from meat... I'm not sure it is considered as "best practice" by many other people. Everybody separate things in applications. I separate data entry forms from database update templates, from search results, etc... Separating logic from display may be good in theory, but it just does not correspond to reality when dynamic HTML is involved. If there is no logic in dynamic HTML, then it's not dynamic anymore. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228070 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Currency formatting
Thanks James and Ade ..
Sorry .. thicko here .. so it looks like I can set the locale for each site
in the application.cfm?
And if so .. I don't get the syntax ...
The docs show:
#SetLocale("English (UK)")#
which is great if i want to display it, and I see it makes the necessary
change on the site, too. but how do I just set it without displaying it?
Thanks, Jenny
-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 31 December 2005 14:23
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Currency formatting
Are you using the CF SetLocale() function somewhere during the request?
On 12/31/05, Jennifer Gavin-Wear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've got a wierd problem with my currency formatting. I've formatted
prices
> using the 'local' option and they've suddenly started appearing in dollars
> and not UKP. I've checked the o/s and that's set to ukp, so I'm not sure
> what's causing it.
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Re: Currency formatting
Are you using the CF SetLocale() function somewhere during the request? On 12/31/05, Jennifer Gavin-Wear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've got a wierd problem with my currency formatting. I've formatted prices > using the 'local' option and they've suddenly started appearing in dollars > and not UKP. I've checked the o/s and that's set to ukp, so I'm not sure > what's causing it. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228068 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Currency formatting
I've seen this before, the locale changes for some reason. I'm not sure of the fix. Use regular number formatting with NumberFormat() and place the £ outside of it. Ade -Original Message- From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 December 2005 13:56 To: CF-Talk Subject: Currency formatting I've got a wierd problem with my currency formatting. I've formatted prices using the 'local' option and they've suddenly started appearing in dollars and not UKP. I've checked the o/s and that's set to ukp, so I'm not sure what's causing it. Any ideas anyone please? Jenny ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228067 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Currency formatting
I've got a wierd problem with my currency formatting. I've formatted prices using the 'local' option and they've suddenly started appearing in dollars and not UKP. I've checked the o/s and that's set to ukp, so I'm not sure what's causing it. Any ideas anyone please? Jenny ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228066 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: free mail server preferences
|I haven't used hmail, but it is supported by HELM, which is a windows |only control panel. So I don't think there are any PHP requirements. I can definately vouch for hMailServer, a very good product, easy to install and run. Supports IMAP too, which not all other free servers does. No requirements at all for PHP, unless you need remote administration (otherwise admining is done through a GUI on the server, which you may be able to access through VNC/terminal services). I am actually running php on that machine, for SquirrelMail, but i didn't manage to get the remote admin thing running (didn't spend much energy on it). It comes with a built in database server (mysql) but can also use mssql or an existing mysql server. /Hugo ### This message has been scanned by F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange. For more information, connect to http://www.f-secure.com/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228065 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
