Re: Framework suggestions
Brian, On 7/3/06, Brian Rinaldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to disagree with you, obviously you know FarCry far better than I, but my email was based upon my experiences with prior and existing versions of FarCry (and was not a criticism). Nonetheless, I do take a bit of issue with calling FarCry a framework. Yes it is extensible and offers you any number of ways of extending the core without modifying the code, but so do most other enterprise level CMS systems I have looked at...are they all then Frameworks? If these CMS systems allow you to build non-CMS solutions then yes they would be generic application frameworks. I suspect its simply an issue of semantics -- though I'd argue strongly that my interpretation of the term application framework is widely accepted [1]. To take a slightly different tack.. if I can use FarCry to build a federated login solution for multiple applications, or a shopping cart system complete with payment gateway and billing integration, or construct a CRM solution etc. ignoring any CMS features that might be present -- at what point does it cease to be seen as a CMS? The reality is that nearly every web-based application requires a degree of content management -- it is a commodity requirement. In order to be described as a framework should we rebuild the FarCry distribution, stripping out all the built-in CMS options or is it better to leave them in there and ignore those features when we don't need them? An argument can be made of this I suppose, but this seems to blur the line and perhaps confuse people. I know FourQ used to be packaged seperately from FarCry, but this does not seem to be the case any longer...FourQ would appear to be more along the lines of what I would call a framework based on what I know about it at this point...but as the last time I checked I couldn't find it available for download seperately (and wasn't what he was asking for anyway)...if it is available let me know because I searched in the hopes of adding it to the open source list independently. FourQ is equivalent to Reactor in terms of its role in FarCry as compared to Reactor's role in Model Glue Unity. FourQ is really quite specialised -- and although it has very specific benefits for the FarCry framework, it's specificity makes it less useful for generic use than say Reactor which can be more readily swapped in/out as an ORM. FourQ can still be downloaded independently from the FarCry SVN repos. As we thought we were the only ones using it we've been gradually internalising the ORM into the FarCry framework. If there was significant interest I'm sure it would be relatively easy to decouple. But again I'm not trying to drum up support for FarCry... really ;) We use it, we love it -- it's ideal for much of the work we do. And an increasing amount of that work done in FarCry would not be described as CMS related. Again Is suspect we're not really debating anything more than the interpretation of the words application framework. All the best, -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ [1] http://www.answers.com/topic/application-framework ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245274 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Good blog post on the frameworks debate
On Sunday 02 July 2006 16:09, Claude Schneegans wrote: Just an example: support for CF 4.5 or 5 if your server is under CFMX and there is no chance you go back to a lower version. So what ? That's not a negative point of the framework is it ? As long as it runs on what you've got, and better still stuff you're likely to get going forward, what does it matter ? -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. We are pleased to announce that Halliwells LLP has been voted AIM Lawyer of the Year at the 2005 Growth Company Awards ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245275 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
What does this error mean?
On a shared host, CrystalTech ... Just running a simple query on a page... what does this mean? I've replaced the real DSN name with mydsnname Error Occurred While Processing Request Security: The requested template has been denied access to mydsnname Thanks, Will ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245276 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: What does this error mean?
It means that CT has sandboxed off your datasource. Get them to add it back to your account. On 7/3/06, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a shared host, CrystalTech ... Just running a simple query on a page... what does this mean? I've replaced the real DSN name with mydsnname Error Occurred While Processing Request Security: The requested template has been denied access to mydsnname Thanks, Will ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245277 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: What does this error mean?
It means that CT has sandboxed off your datasource. Get them to add it back to your account. Thanks a ton James! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245278 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Framework suggestions
I would imagine this is a pain to debug, because any errors will be in the compiled pages (which u can't view I presume if they are compiled to memory) not in the code you actually wrote. -Original Message- From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 04:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions XML is certainly not easier for CF developers to use, but it does accomplish a few important things. First, it's not language specific. This is the weakest point because not many people care whether or not they can move their controller layer between different languages, but it sounds nice. Second, it forces you to watch how much logic you put into your circuits fuses. A lot of people were shortcutting and taking advantage of the circuits, putting code like cfqueries in there, but the limited XML syntax forces you to stand back and think about your application. Third, it's easier to parse. I mentioned yesterday in this thread that the XML is parsed into plain cfml files, but it's not just a translation of cfif, cfinclude, cfset, etc. There are a few compiler directives, specifically the do action, which compiles and includes inline the contents of another fuseaction. This is what gives a lot of the performance benifits over FB 3. Instead of cfmodule or cfinclude, the code is on the same parsed file. So the syntax isn't simpler or easier, but the outcome is probably worth it. -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ On 7/2/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FB5 core is basically a compiler that transforms the XML into vanilla CFML. OK, but what's the big idea? Is XML any simpler or easier to use than CFML? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245279 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
how to change allowed IP addresses for the developer edition?
Hello , I got this messsage You tried to access the developer edition from a disallowed IP (xx.xx.xx.xx). The developer edition can only be accessed from 127.0.0.1 and two additional IP addresses. The additional IP addresses are: xx.xx.xx.xx,xx.xx.xx.xx The IP nr of my the machine running CFMX changed so now I want to change the old IP address to the new one. How can I do this? Thanks, Marc ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245280 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: how to change allowed IP addresses for the developer edition?
Restart CF. Ade -Original Message- From: Marc Bakker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 11:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: how to change allowed IP addresses for the developer edition? Hello , I got this messsage You tried to access the developer edition from a disallowed IP (xx.xx.xx.xx). The developer edition can only be accessed from 127.0.0.1 and two additional IP addresses. The additional IP addresses are: xx.xx.xx.xx,xx.xx.xx.xx The IP nr of my the machine running CFMX changed so now I want to change the old IP address to the new one. How can I do this? Thanks, Marc ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245281 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: how to change allowed IP addresses for the developer edition?
Restart CFMX, it will clear the IP adresses and allow the next two machines to connect. On 7/3/06, Marc Bakker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello , I got this messsage You tried to access the developer edition from a disallowed IP (xx.xx.xx.xx). The developer edition can only be accessed from 127.0.0.1 and two additional IP addresses. The additional IP addresses are: xx.xx.xx.xx,xx.xx.xx.xx The IP nr of my the machine running CFMX changed so now I want to change the old IP address to the new one. How can I do this? Thanks, Marc ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245282 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Found: how to change allowed IP addresses for the developer edition?
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Re: cfsearch help
So you are saying sometimes the title is right, and sometimes not? Verity tries to find the title from the metadata of the document when indexing. Did you check the documents with bad titles to make sure that they are set up right? As for your second question, yes, using CF7. Simply add the contextPassages attribute to your cfsearch tag and check the contest column of the result. Oh - and get rid of that evalute. You can change it to maxRows = #Form.MaxRows + 1# On 7/1/06, John Lucania [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have cfsearch for Word documents in a directory, but it is not returning the results as I expect. cfsearch name = GetResults collection = MyFormSearch criteria = #LCase(Form.Criteria)# StartRow = #Form.StartRow# maxRows = #Evaluate(Form.MaxRows + 1)# title=Title The document titles are at the top (usually with one row, or with two rows if the title is long) of the document (all Word documents), but cfsearch doesn't pull out some of document titles. If possible with cfsearch, I want to show a few lines of the Word contents like Google search. Are there cfsearch examples I can use out there? TIA, JL ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245284 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: how to change allowed IP addresses for the developer edition?
You restart coldfusion -Original Message- From: Marc Bakker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 11:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: how to change allowed IP addresses for the developer edition? Hello , I got this messsage You tried to access the developer edition from a disallowed IP (xx.xx.xx.xx). The developer edition can only be accessed from 127.0.0.1 and two additional IP addresses. The additional IP addresses are: xx.xx.xx.xx,xx.xx.xx.xx The IP nr of my the machine running CFMX changed so now I want to change the old IP address to the new one. How can I do this? Thanks, Marc ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245285 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61
Has anyone found a way to get this plugin to work with the new Eclipse? http://vssplugin.sourceforge.net/ Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245286 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Framework suggestions
Stop imagining and actually try it. On 7/3/06, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would imagine this is a pain to debug, because any errors will be in the compiled pages (which u can't view I presume if they are compiled to memory) not in the code you actually wrote. -Original Message- From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 04:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions XML is certainly not easier for CF developers to use, but it does accomplish a few important things. First, it's not language specific. This is the weakest point because not many people care whether or not they can move their controller layer between different languages, but it sounds nice. Second, it forces you to watch how much logic you put into your circuits fuses. A lot of people were shortcutting and taking advantage of the circuits, putting code like cfqueries in there, but the limited XML syntax forces you to stand back and think about your application. Third, it's easier to parse. I mentioned yesterday in this thread that the XML is parsed into plain cfml files, but it's not just a translation of cfif, cfinclude, cfset, etc. There are a few compiler directives, specifically the do action, which compiles and includes inline the contents of another fuseaction. This is what gives a lot of the performance benifits over FB 3. Instead of cfmodule or cfinclude, the code is on the same parsed file. So the syntax isn't simpler or easier, but the outcome is probably worth it. -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ On 7/2/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FB5 core is basically a compiler that transforms the XML into vanilla CFML. OK, but what's the big idea? Is XML any simpler or easier to use than CFML? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245287 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Framework suggestions
Geoff, Actually I brought up FourQ because Charlie Arehart had someone present it as a Reactor alternative at an Atlanta CFUG meeting and he asked why it wasn't on the open-source list. I told him it was because I could not find a seperate download any longer (at this point in time, I don't list SVN repositories - this may change). If that changes, let me know. Oh, and yes, I think it is a debate of semantics. - Brian Rinaldi blog - http://www.remotesynthesis.com/blog CF Open Source List - http://www.remotesynthesis.com/cfopensourcelist Boston CFUG - http://www.bostoncfug.org On 7/3/06, Geoff Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, On 7/3/06, Brian Rinaldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to disagree with you, obviously you know FarCry far better than I, but my email was based upon my experiences with prior and existing versions of FarCry (and was not a criticism). Nonetheless, I do take a bit of issue with calling FarCry a framework. Yes it is extensible and offers you any number of ways of extending the core without modifying the code, but so do most other enterprise level CMS systems I have looked at...are they all then Frameworks? If these CMS systems allow you to build non-CMS solutions then yes they would be generic application frameworks. I suspect its simply an issue of semantics -- though I'd argue strongly that my interpretation of the term application framework is widely accepted [1]. To take a slightly different tack.. if I can use FarCry to build a federated login solution for multiple applications, or a shopping cart system complete with payment gateway and billing integration, or construct a CRM solution etc. ignoring any CMS features that might be present -- at what point does it cease to be seen as a CMS? The reality is that nearly every web-based application requires a degree of content management -- it is a commodity requirement. In order to be described as a framework should we rebuild the FarCry distribution, stripping out all the built-in CMS options or is it better to leave them in there and ignore those features when we don't need them? An argument can be made of this I suppose, but this seems to blur the line and perhaps confuse people. I know FourQ used to be packaged seperately from FarCry, but this does not seem to be the case any longer...FourQ would appear to be more along the lines of what I would call a framework based on what I know about it at this point...but as the last time I checked I couldn't find it available for download seperately (and wasn't what he was asking for anyway)...if it is available let me know because I searched in the hopes of adding it to the open source list independently. FourQ is equivalent to Reactor in terms of its role in FarCry as compared to Reactor's role in Model Glue Unity. FourQ is really quite specialised -- and although it has very specific benefits for the FarCry framework, it's specificity makes it less useful for generic use than say Reactor which can be more readily swapped in/out as an ORM. FourQ can still be downloaded independently from the FarCry SVN repos. As we thought we were the only ones using it we've been gradually internalising the ORM into the FarCry framework. If there was significant interest I'm sure it would be relatively easy to decouple. But again I'm not trying to drum up support for FarCry... really ;) We use it, we love it -- it's ideal for much of the work we do. And an increasing amount of that work done in FarCry would not be described as CMS related. Again Is suspect we're not really debating anything more than the interpretation of the words application framework. All the best, -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ [1] http://www.answers.com/topic/application-framework ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245288 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Good blog post on the frameworks debate
So what ? That's not a negative point of the framework is it ? Sure it is: this, and some other features you don't need, make the code more difficult to read. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245289 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Framework suggestions
Nope. Easier to debug. If the error is in a parsed file, its in your xml. Otherwise, since all other FB fuses are cfincluded, any errors in them show up as usual. You can always look at the parsed files, they are located in the parsed directory and named as circuit.fuseaction.cfm Sandra Clark == http://www.shayna.com Training in Cascading Style Sheets and Accessibility -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 6:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Framework suggestions I would imagine this is a pain to debug, because any errors will be in the compiled pages (which u can't view I presume if they are compiled to memory) not in the code you actually wrote. -Original Message- From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 04:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions XML is certainly not easier for CF developers to use, but it does accomplish a few important things. First, it's not language specific. This is the weakest point because not many people care whether or not they can move their controller layer between different languages, but it sounds nice. Second, it forces you to watch how much logic you put into your circuits fuses. A lot of people were shortcutting and taking advantage of the circuits, putting code like cfqueries in there, but the limited XML syntax forces you to stand back and think about your application. Third, it's easier to parse. I mentioned yesterday in this thread that the XML is parsed into plain cfml files, but it's not just a translation of cfif, cfinclude, cfset, etc. There are a few compiler directives, specifically the do action, which compiles and includes inline the contents of another fuseaction. This is what gives a lot of the performance benifits over FB 3. Instead of cfmodule or cfinclude, the code is on the same parsed file. So the syntax isn't simpler or easier, but the outcome is probably worth it. -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ On 7/2/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FB5 core is basically a compiler that transforms the XML into vanilla CFML. OK, but what's the big idea? Is XML any simpler or easier to use than CFML? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245290 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Framework suggestions
First, it's not language specific. This is the weakest point because not many people care whether or not they can move their controller layer between different languages, but it sounds nice. You're taking the words right out of my mouth ;-/ Second, [...] the limited XML syntax forces you to stand back and think about your application. OK, so it's better because it's limited? Third, it's easier to parse. Oh n, please, not again with this old BS! This was the main point with people claiming advanges of Pascal: it's easier to compile! But please, c'mon, since when the purpose of a language is to be parsed or compiled? A language exists to make applications easier to develop for developers, period! Whether it is formal or not, easier or more difficult for the programer to write a parser, is completely insignificant. This is what gives a lot of the performance benifits over FB 3. OK, it may be less worse the FB3, but the question is is it any better than plain vanillia CF? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245292 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Good blog post on the frameworks debate
On Monday 03 July 2006 14:26, Claude Schneegans wrote: So what ? That's not a negative point of the framework is it ? Sure it is: this, and some other features you don't need, make the code more difficult to read. The whole point of a (good) framework is you don't need to read the framework code, and it should hide details like doing different things on different servers from you, as an application coder. So isn't 'more difficult to read' a moot point ? -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245291 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Framework suggestions
Unfortunately I have a full-time job, so I don't have the luxury of just taking time off at a whim to play with new frameworks. Things like this have to wait until I have some free time. snake -Original Message- From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 13:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions Stop imagining and actually try it. On 7/3/06, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would imagine this is a pain to debug, because any errors will be in the compiled pages (which u can't view I presume if they are compiled to memory) not in the code you actually wrote. -Original Message- From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 04:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions XML is certainly not easier for CF developers to use, but it does accomplish a few important things. First, it's not language specific. This is the weakest point because not many people care whether or not they can move their controller layer between different languages, but it sounds nice. Second, it forces you to watch how much logic you put into your circuits fuses. A lot of people were shortcutting and taking advantage of the circuits, putting code like cfqueries in there, but the limited XML syntax forces you to stand back and think about your application. Third, it's easier to parse. I mentioned yesterday in this thread that the XML is parsed into plain cfml files, but it's not just a translation of cfif, cfinclude, cfset, etc. There are a few compiler directives, specifically the do action, which compiles and includes inline the contents of another fuseaction. This is what gives a lot of the performance benifits over FB 3. Instead of cfmodule or cfinclude, the code is on the same parsed file. So the syntax isn't simpler or easier, but the outcome is probably worth it. -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ On 7/2/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FB5 core is basically a compiler that transforms the XML into vanilla CFML. OK, but what's the big idea? Is XML any simpler or easier to use than CFML? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245293 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Good blog post on the frameworks debate
Claude, You've tried to make your point with frameworks, but you haven't made any factual statements. It's fine if you don't want to use frameworks, but if you want anyone else to not use them then I think you need to document any issues with them as opposed to things like Includes CF 4.5 and CF 5 backwards compatibility when the latest versions don't. There was a time when fusebox did this, but it was seperate files, so if you didn't use CF 5, then you would not even have to use that file. My point is this, open frameworks are a good idea because it allows more than just you access to the code and an open discussion on issues. We all understand that frameworks forces a developer to learn something new, in most of these cases it forces the developer to learn OOP or MVC. But that doesn't mean learning those methodologies is a bad thing. It only helps your marketability and allows for you to move to other languages if a business decision forces your hand before you're ready. Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245294 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61
Robert Everland III wrote: Has anyone found a way to get this plugin to work with the new Eclipse? http://vssplugin.sourceforge.net/ Follow the installation instructions for 3.1 and start eclipse with -clean. Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245295 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61
I think my main issue was that I didn't get the SDK. If installing the SDK doesn't work I will try the -clean, thanks. bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245296 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Good blog post on the frameworks debate
Tom, All of the new frameworks use CFC, so they won't even work on CF 4.5 or CF 5. One of the frameworks I know , fusebox 3, used a cfswitch in the main file and included a specific framework depending on which server you were on. You didn't need this logic, you could just include the correct file on which server you were on. There was no logic in the framework file that had different syntax based on what CF version you were on , which would make the code harder to work with. I have worked on code that I needed to work on multiple versions of CF and with how the tags change and how error trapping works in CF it is almost impossible to have one file that works on many different versions of CF. Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245297 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Getting the query right
I wrote something exactly like this. It sends out a single email per person each time new job is added in a category they have saved. I don't save anything relating to when the user was mailed. !//-- andy matthews web developer certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- -Original Message- From: Stuart Kidd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 4:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Getting the query right Hi guys, I have a job site which when users register they get to choose categories for work which may suit them. I would like to write a schedule that will email the users new jobs if they are in one of their chosen categories. Right now I have a table called UsersToWorkCategory which has the UserID and WorkCategoryID inside. Should I create a new table which will insert a record for everytime an email has been sent to a particular user notifying them of a new job which is one of their categories? Or, do you think it would be better to send out a mass email everytime a new job is added and email all the interested parties that way? Any advice i'd be more than grateful. Thanks, Stuart ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245298 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Framework suggestions
Brian Rinaldi wrote: Geoff, Actually I brought up FourQ because Charlie Arehart had someone present it as a Reactor alternative at an Atlanta CFUG meeting and he asked why it wasn't on the open-source list. I told him it was because I could not find a seperate download any longer (at this point in time, I don't list SVN repositories - this may change). If that changes, let me know. I'd just like to clarify, for the record :-), that it wasn't that I had someone present it as a Reactor alternative, but rather simply that someone (Scott Talsma) did do that at our June meeting. Someone also presented on Reactor at the same session (Teddy Payne). Both talks are at http://www.acfug.org/index.cfm?fa=meetings.meetingdetailEventID=152, for those interested. As Brian notes, when I saw the presentation that presented FourQ having a role outside of FarCry, I proposed to Brian that it seemed it ought to be listed. I'll leave it to you both (Brian and Geoff) to sort it out. I really was just trying to help. Didn't realize I was opening a debate. :-) /charlie ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245299 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Framework suggestions
Claude Snake, We know you both either don't have the time or just don't think it's worth your time to code using frameworks. I think it's time for you to stop contributing to threads on them since you have no actually looked at any of the code in frameworks. This thread started as a recomendation on frameworks, not on why not to use them. The poster already uses their own homegrown framework and wanted to branch out to something that has already been developed. You have commented on issues with frameworks you know nothing about because neither of you have used them. Start a club or something about hating frameworks, but I don't think posting opinions on something you don't know anything about is the right outlet. Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245300 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Framework suggestions
Charlie, Thanks for clarifying...my wording was definitely awkward...it happens frequently on these lists ;) That actually didn't start any debate - I just took the opportunity to ask about whether FourQ was available seperately within my response, which has nothing to do really with whether one considers FarCry a framework or not. - Brian On 7/3/06, charles arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Rinaldi wrote: Geoff, Actually I brought up FourQ because Charlie Arehart had someone present it as a Reactor alternative at an Atlanta CFUG meeting and he asked why it wasn't on the open-source list. I told him it was because I could not find a seperate download any longer (at this point in time, I don't list SVN repositories - this may change). If that changes, let me know. I'd just like to clarify, for the record :-), that it wasn't that I had someone present it as a Reactor alternative, but rather simply that someone (Scott Talsma) did do that at our June meeting. Someone also presented on Reactor at the same session (Teddy Payne). Both talks are at http://www.acfug.org/index.cfm?fa=meetings.meetingdetailEventID=152, for those interested. As Brian notes, when I saw the presentation that presented FourQ having a role outside of FarCry, I proposed to Brian that it seemed it ought to be listed. I'll leave it to you both (Brian and Geoff) to sort it out. I really was just trying to help. Didn't realize I was opening a debate. :-) /charlie ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245301 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Good blog post on the frameworks debate
On Monday 03 July 2006 15:15, Robert Everland III wrote: All of the new frameworks use CFC, so they won't even work on CF 4.5 or CF 5. One of the frameworks I know , fusebox 3, used a cfswitch in the main file and included a specific framework depending on which server you were on. You didn't need this logic, you could just include the correct file on which server you were on. FB3 predates CFCs. An obvious optimisation to FB3 is to remove the switch and just hard code the platform include, yes. OTOH, it would run *fine* in allmost all cases without you having to care. There was no logic in the framework file that had different syntax based on what CF version you were on , There could have been, and you would never have known :-) trapping works in CF it is almost impossible to have one file that works on many different versions of CF. True, esp. if the versions are far apart in time. But that's like moaning your Java 1.5 application doesn't work in 1.4 when you use 1.5's features... -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245302 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Statistical computations in CF?
I'm working on an app that pulls together a client's data for a given period of time, and produces a forecast for what future data might look like. I've been using the CFLIB forecast() function written by James Stevenson, but am interested in hearing about any other tools that are either CF-based or could be easily integrated into a CF app. The CFLIB forecast() function does a least-squares analysis, but doesn't seem to do a great job on data which has a definite pattern but is not very straight-line. tia, Reed Reed, Depending on how good you are at statistics, there is a matrix algebra cfc on the Adobe CF Exchange (http://www.antiwrap.com/?1022) that you can use to construct most advanced stats equations, such as various regressions, GLM equations etc. In my own stats related site on meta-analysis (http://www.antiwrap.com/?1023) I mostly use CF's built in functions (ArraySum, ArrayAverage) to perform the analysis. Another very good resource is CFLib.org. There's a section of the maths library that has quite f few stats related UDFs that you can integrate into your app. http://www.cflib.org/library.cfm?ID=6 Finally there's an open source regression CFC at CFCZone.org. hth, larry -- Larry C. Lyons Web Analyst BEI Resources American Type Culture Collection http://www.beiresources.org email: llyons(at)atcc(dot)org tel: 703.365.2700.2678 -- ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245303 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Security Best Practices?
I am aware of the documents at the Adobe/Macromedia Knowledgebase about securing ColdFusion. However, I wonder if there is another definitive checklist or document somewhere else? I'm mostly concerned with configuration of the servers (coldfusion/IIS) even though I realize application design is an important aspect of security too. Thanks for any pointers. -Nate ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245304 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Good blog post on the frameworks debate
There was no logic in the framework file that had different syntax based on what CF version you were on , There could have been, and you would never have known :-) Actually, because the code is open I was able to browse through the source and see for myself. Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245305 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Framework suggestions
I think it's time for you to stop contributing to threads on them since you have no actually looked at any of the code in frameworks. Wrong, I had to work on an application developed under FB, so I had to learn it. I know enough about it, and other solutions, to be able to say that FB is innecessarily too complex for most applications. This thread started as a recomendation on frameworks, not on why not to use them. I'm sorry, but all my messages here where replies to reasons given why to use them, especially FB using XML. If I do not agree with the reason, should I stop contributing? The poster already uses their own homegrown framework and wanted to branch out to something that has already been developed. I also use my own homegrown framework, and I also looked at already developed solutions, and IMHO, anyone's own experience in this issue is worth to know, would it be pro or against some ideas about framewortks. Sorry if it gives offence to your convictions. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245306 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Framework suggestions
bob, I do use frameworks thanks, in fact I have written my own. I have also used FB3 and Model Glue and am currently looking at coldspring and Reactor. I have never ever at any point said I do not like frameworks or that they are bad, in fact I advocate them. So I have no idea why your directing this comment at me. -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 15:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions Claude Snake, We know you both either don't have the time or just don't think it's worth your time to code using frameworks. I think it's time for you to stop contributing to threads on them since you have no actually looked at any of the code in frameworks. This thread started as a recomendation on frameworks, not on why not to use them. The poster already uses their own homegrown framework and wanted to branch out to something that has already been developed. You have commented on issues with frameworks you know nothing about because neither of you have used them. Start a club or something about hating frameworks, but I don't think posting opinions on something you don't know anything about is the right outlet. Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245307 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Framework suggestions
On 7/3/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, [...] the limited XML syntax forces you to stand back and think about your application. OK, so it's better because it's limited? Yeah. Believe it or not. It makes sure your application controller isn't doing anything but than controlling your application. Still, there are ways to get around it (hey, we're all hackers here), but it takes more work. Third, it's easier to parse. Oh n, please, not again with this old BS! This was the main point with people claiming advanges of Pascal: it's easier to compile! But please, c'mon, since when the purpose of a language is to be parsed or compiled? A language exists to make applications easier to develop for developers, period! Whether it is formal or not, easier or more difficult for the programer to write a parser, is completely insignificant. That's fine, call it how you see it. I see it as an open source community project made by seasoned CF developers. They're not trying to recreate the CF parsing engine or the JDK (which would then be incompatible with BlueDragon) in an application framework. They're just trying to automate some code gen techniques and create a framework for strucuring your applications. XML is in and quickly easily accomplishes a lot of the goals for the framework. It sounds like an easy choice for me, and the same arguments could be made for M2 and MG. Anyways, all to say this: The XML syntax isn't necessarily easier or better than CFML, but for what this, or other XML-based frameworks do for you, the extra brain space is worth using these frameworks. OK, it may be less worse the FB3, but the question is is it any better than plain vanillia CF? The truth is, it is trying to be better than FB3, which is of course an improvement on FB 2 1. I've said it before: Everywhere I've gone to work on pre-built code has some application running a FB1/2 style process (the main page with a big cfswitch, including files). It's everywhere, and this is an improvement on it. -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245308 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Framework suggestions
I was referring to this comment: Unfortunately I have a full-time job, so I don't have the luxury of just taking time off at a whim to play with new frameworks. Things like this have to wait until I have some free time. snake Stop imagining and actually try it. Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245309 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
odd SQL Server 2k5 error message
Trying to get BlogCFC 5 up and running with a SQL Server 2k5 db (up on a shared host). Everything's installed and set up, but on hitting the site for the first time, i'm getting the following error: The incoming tabular data stream (TDS) remote procedure call (RPC) protocol stream is incorrect. It's pointing to line 769 of blog.cfc, which is a cfqueryparam line of a query. I tried taking the dynamic query out and hard coded in a simple SELECT statement, but got the same error. The error message can be seen in its entirety at http://charlie.griefer.com/blog/index.cfm The only other odd thing to report is that I tried setting things up on my dev box first, and got an error on the exact same line originally. It was a different error (Null pointer exception), but I found it odd that it was the same line of code. What's even a bit more weird is that the problem seemed to fix itself on my dev box. I went back to it a little later and, having made no changes...hit refresh and it just...worked. Google's not turning much up on the error...so I figured I'd see if anybody out there might have some ideas. Thanks. -- Charlie Griefer ...All the world shall be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with a swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245310 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
I feel like fighting...
Anyone wanna recommend a framework for me? ;-) ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245311 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I feel like fighting...
Sometimes I feel like I'm watching a soap opera, but more entertaining. All My Frameworks On 7/3/06, Jeff Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone wanna recommend a framework for me? ;-) ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245312 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Framework suggestions
Bob, Believe it or jobs are real. Sorry if your single, have no kids and/or are unemployed/on welfare, but we can't all live life the way you do I'm afraid, some of us have bigger responsibilities in our lives than coldfusion, like feeding the kids and paying the mortgage. I'm very happy for you that you have so much free time, but please don't try and shove your lifestyle down other peoples throats, we don't need any more dippy Daves on here, one is enough. snake -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 18:28 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions I was referring to this comment: Unfortunately I have a full-time job, so I don't have the luxury of just taking time off at a whim to play with new frameworks. Things like this have to wait until I have some free time. snake Stop imagining and actually try it. Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245313 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I feel like fighting...
If you're hard-core OO, look at Mach-II and Model-Glue. If you don't do OO and don't want to start, look at Fusebox. If you like OO, but don't want to go for broke, look at Fusebox with an OO-ish backend. If you don't want to pay the performance cost for the flexibility of an implicit invocation architecture, Fusebox is your best bet. If you want stellar scaffolding support for autogenerating data entry/management applications, Model-Glue Unity is your best bet. In all cases, however, the only way to approach the problem is to give each candidate framework at least a few days of trials (preferably a bit longer) and see how you like the nuts and bolts. For any given app, it's possible to use any framework, but certain apps are definitely suited to certain frameworks (specifically implicit invocation capabilities). NB: all lists are in alphabetical order to avoid the appearance of preferential treatment. ;) My personal choice is Fusebox controller/view with a CFC-based backend. No business logic in the fusebox. My second choice (and really only in slot #2 because of my familiarity with Fusebox) would be the identical CFC-based backend with a Model-Glue controller/view. While Mach-II got me very excited when it first came out, it's not a good fit for my programming nature. Model-Glue, while quite impressive, hasn't yet justified the investement needed to make it the default framework over Fusebox for apps I work on. That's greatly influenced by the fact that I've got well over a hundred thousand lines of Fusebox in the app my job is to maintain. cheers, barneyb On 7/3/06, Jeff Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone wanna recommend a framework for me? ;-) -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245314 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Framework suggestions
Man, do you ever look and see that you're the one who's always in the controversial topics on this board? You seriously need to do a self-analysis and re-evaluate why this is. Many of us see it, funny how you don't. Snake wrote: Bob, Believe it or jobs are real. Sorry if your single, have no kids and/or are unemployed/on welfare, but we can't all live life the way you do I'm afraid, some of us have bigger responsibilities in our lives than coldfusion, like feeding the kids and paying the mortgage. I'm very happy for you that you have so much free time, but please don't try and shove your lifestyle down other peoples throats, we don't need any more dippy Daves on here, one is enough. snake -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 18:28 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions I was referring to this comment: Unfortunately I have a full-time job, so I don't have the luxury of just taking time off at a whim to play with new frameworks. Things like this have to wait until I have some free time. snake Stop imagining and actually try it. Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245315 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Framework suggestions
Snake, I said nothing deragatory to you, I asked you to not post on this topic because what you had to say wasn't relative to the question asked. As for the issues you addressed to me publicly I will address them publicly. Sorry if your single, have no kids and/or are unemployed/on welfare, but we can't all live life the way you do I'm afraid, some of us have bigger responsibilities in our lives than coldfusion, like feeding the kids and paying the mortgage. I am single, I don't have kids, I am employed, I do have a mortgage. ColdFusion is how I pay the bills, so I try to use whatever free time (such as lunch breaks or 15 min breaks) I have at work to learn new things. I also use some of my time in the morning to surf through some of the blog feeds to see if there is anythign I can use on the projects I am working on. I'm very happy for you that you have so much free time, but please don't try and shove your lifestyle down other peoples throats, we don't need any more dippy Daves on here, one is enough. I don't know what lifestyle you're talking about. All I said was not to post on this topic if you're only feedback was negative comments towards frameworks you don't have the time to look at. Don't berate someone publicly because they know how to manage their time. If you have something deragatory to say to me I would rather you do it to my personal email and I will address it there. Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245316 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Processing after redirects
Yeah, I have often seen it at the bottom. I just hesitated to do so because I remember reading that you should put it between the head and body tags in order for google to detect it... Maybe that was an ld knowledgebasee article, or maybe it was just for verification fo the script, but now its verified, and I put it on the bottom of the page, and it makes a huge difference. The other oens I put right before the sliders they needed to animate/move/calculate in the form Also, I am a pretty bad coder, and take more steps than I should... But i am learning... I cache queries, use indexes Use cfflush...(Coldfusion) And Javascript: well it's about as bad as my albanian. On 7/3/06, Hugo Ahlenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know about the other one, but the google analytics script - they recommend putting that at the bottom of the page. /Hugo -- Hugo Ahlenius - Hugo Ahlenius E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project OfficerPhone: +46 8 412 1427 UNEP GRID-Arendal Fax:+46 8 723 0348 Stockholm Office Mobile: +46 733 467111 WWW: http://www.grida.no Skype:callto:fraxxinus - |-Original Message- |From: B V [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 21:41 |To: CF-Talk |Subject: Re: Processing after redirects | |ASYNC Event Gateway seems like an option, but I found the culprit; not |the 30 something form fields or the 30 queries bt the Script.aculo.us |javascript and google andalytics javascript. Moving them later in the |page so the form fields could load and it would load while the user |typed things in and deletign unneccesary javascripts solved the |problem, although I will use ASYNC if HMS lets me... | |On 7/3/06, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | A CFLOCATION will stop processing at that point and then |load another | page. | | Sounds like you could use: | | 1. CF Enterprise's async gateway | 2. AJAX | | M!ke | | -Original Message- | From: B V [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:13 PM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Processing after redirects | | Hello, | I was wondering if there's anyway to redirect the user while the cf | server is still processign their request what I mean is this: | 1). User submits form | 2). hit's the Action page | 3). Action page redirects them | 4). Action page continues processign their form data while they are | visiting another page I want to do this because I have A LOT of | variables to process, and I don't want them to wait, so is |it possible | to continue processing their request after they've been |redirected, or | does it cutt off? | | | | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245329 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61
Bob, I've had better luck with ESSTP (http://esstp.sourceforge.net/). YMMV -- Mike Wolfe -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 8:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61 Has anyone found a way to get this plugin to work with the new Eclipse? http://vssplugin.sourceforge.net/ Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245330 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61
I've not had a problem. What issues are you having? -Original Message- From: Michael Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 20:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61 Bob, I've had better luck with ESSTP (http://esstp.sourceforge.net/). YMMV -- Mike Wolfe -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 8:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61 Has anyone found a way to get this plugin to work with the new Eclipse? http://vssplugin.sourceforge.net/ Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245331 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RAD Flex 2 Development for CF Developers
Reposted now that Flex 2 and CF 7.0.2 are availablethis three-part presentation, Dean Harmon of the ColdFusion team presents and instructs on the use of the ColdFusion FlexBuilder 2 Extension features: http://www.dcooper.org Damon ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245332 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Framework suggestions
Also, one of the main benefits of the XML is that the program structure and flow is described there, and not among the rest of the CF code. This enables tools like Fusebuilder, fuseminder, etc. that can document and modify the flow+structure of the application programmatically. On 7/3/06, Nathan Strutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/3/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, [...] the limited XML syntax forces you to stand back and think about your application. OK, so it's better because it's limited? Yeah. Believe it or not. It makes sure your application controller isn't doing anything but than controlling your application. Still, there are ways to get around it (hey, we're all hackers here), but it takes more work. Third, it's easier to parse. Oh n, please, not again with this old BS! This was the main point with people claiming advanges of Pascal: it's easier to compile! But please, c'mon, since when the purpose of a language is to be parsed or compiled? A language exists to make applications easier to develop for developers, period! Whether it is formal or not, easier or more difficult for the programer to write a parser, is completely insignificant. That's fine, call it how you see it. I see it as an open source community project made by seasoned CF developers. They're not trying to recreate the CF parsing engine or the JDK (which would then be incompatible with BlueDragon) in an application framework. They're just trying to automate some code gen techniques and create a framework for strucuring your applications. XML is in and quickly easily accomplishes a lot of the goals for the framework. It sounds like an easy choice for me, and the same arguments could be made for M2 and MG. Anyways, all to say this: The XML syntax isn't necessarily easier or better than CFML, but for what this, or other XML-based frameworks do for you, the extra brain space is worth using these frameworks. OK, it may be less worse the FB3, but the question is is it any better than plain vanillia CF? The truth is, it is trying to be better than FB3, which is of course an improvement on FB 2 1. I've said it before: Everywhere I've gone to work on pre-built code has some application running a FB1/2 style process (the main page with a big cfswitch, including files). It's everywhere, and this is an improvement on it. -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245333 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: ColdFusion DataSources in JNDI?
We don't use JNDI internally, but we do allow access to and use of J2EE-server registered JNDI datasources from CFML. Sounds like you want to go the other way, though. Nothing documented or supported that I'm aware of... Damon All, I've run into a situation where I have some java code that wants to access a datasource as a jndi lookup. The java code will be invoked inside a coldFusion server. I know that coldFusion uses jdbc for its underlying data-access but i don't know if it uses jndi to store those datasources. Does anyone have the answer to this question? If it does store things in jndi, what is the proper context? Sincerely, Leon ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245334 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: odd SQL Server 2k5 error message
Charlie Griefer wrote: This is a shared host, so I don't have access to the CF Admin. is there another way to determine this? Not if your host has a proper configuration. If they don't you can use the Admin API, CreateObject(blahblahblah servicefactory) and cffile for neo-query.xml. Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245335 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CFFILE uploads
I know in uploading a file with CFFILe you specify the file field of the file to upload. Dows this mean that you can use file uploads with AJAX? Thanks, I'm hoping someone knows a way around this so I can do file uploads in AJAX . Thanks for your help and time. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245336 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFFILE uploads
B V wrote: I know in uploading a file with CFFILe you specify the file field of the file to upload. Dows this mean that you can use file uploads with AJAX? Yes. Just tie an onblur to the control that submits the form to a page that returns a HTTP 204. Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245337 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61
Kev, No problems, really. Just some discomfort with how vssplugin handles check-out/in. It feels like the person who created the plugin was more familiar with CVS than VSS. ESSTP just seems to work more like VSS. -- Mike -Original Message- From: Kev McCabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61 I've not had a problem. What issues are you having? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245338 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFFILE uploads
I don't think you can do file uploads with AJaX. I believe it's a security issue. At least, I've never found a way. Not using a POST method, anyway. I've tried using Prototype and had no luck whatsoever. Working with input-file is one of the most secured, anti-scripting operations in the browser. Only the browser itself has access to the file and can encode the file in the posted request. If you get this to work, please post back to the list. I'd love to hear how you made it happen - including code snippets if possible. On 7/3/06, B V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know in uploading a file with CFFILe you specify the file field of the file to upload. Dows this mean that you can use file uploads with AJAX? Thanks, I'm hoping someone knows a way around this so I can do file uploads in AJAX . Thanks for your help and time. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245339 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Processing after redirects
The only way I've seen to do this using traditional web methods (i.e. no AJaX, etc.) is to use CFFLUSH in conjunction with client-side JavaScript to perform the redirect. [... server-side processing ...] script type=text/javascript location.href = '/redirection/target/path/to/page.htm'; /script cfflush / additional server-side processing code ... On 7/3/06, B V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I was wondering if there's anyway to redirect the user while the cf server is still processign their request what I mean is this: 1). User submits form 2). hit's the Action page 3). Action page redirects them 4). Action page continues processign their form data while they are visiting another page I want to do this because I have A LOT of variables to process, and I don't want them to wait, so is it possible to continue processing their request after they've been redirected, or does it cutt off? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245340 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFFILE uploads
Well, I guess you could do it the traditional way (e.g iframes) and set the Target to _top That's what they USED to do, but the main reason that I want this is so I can show a spinner thingy that says loading... please be patient On 7/3/06, Rob Wilkerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you can do file uploads with AJaX. I believe it's a security issue. At least, I've never found a way. Not using a POST method, anyway. I've tried using Prototype and had no luck whatsoever. Working with input-file is one of the most secured, anti-scripting operations in the browser. Only the browser itself has access to the file and can encode the file in the posted request. If you get this to work, please post back to the list. I'd love to hear how you made it happen - including code snippets if possible. On 7/3/06, B V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know in uploading a file with CFFILe you specify the file field of the file to upload. Dows this mean that you can use file uploads with AJAX? Thanks, I'm hoping someone knows a way around this so I can do file uploads in AJAX . Thanks for your help and time. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245341 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFFILE uploads
Regarding file uploads.I was reading Firefox security vulnerabilities, and supposedly there was a vulnerability where someone could set the value predifined to a known (common) file on the person's server and then upload it and steal it without the person's consent. Scary. Luckily I have 1.5.03 On 7/3/06, B V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess you could do it the traditional way (e.g iframes) and set the Target to _top That's what they USED to do, but the main reason that I want this is so I can show a spinner thingy that says loading... please be patient On 7/3/06, Rob Wilkerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you can do file uploads with AJaX. I believe it's a security issue. At least, I've never found a way. Not using a POST method, anyway. I've tried using Prototype and had no luck whatsoever. Working with input-file is one of the most secured, anti-scripting operations in the browser. Only the browser itself has access to the file and can encode the file in the posted request. If you get this to work, please post back to the list. I'd love to hear how you made it happen - including code snippets if possible. On 7/3/06, B V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know in uploading a file with CFFILe you specify the file field of the file to upload. Dows this mean that you can use file uploads with AJAX? Thanks, I'm hoping someone knows a way around this so I can do file uploads in AJAX . Thanks for your help and time. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245342 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Framework suggestions
If you read the thread, You will note that I never actually said anything to bob at all until he had a dig at me. Maybe I shouldn't retaliate, maybe I should just ignore people like him and not let them wind me up, but hey that's me, I have a short fuse. As it goes I have started blacklisting people (E.G. Dave) now so that I never see his abuse, so he can't wind me up, so I wont reply. Snake -Original Message- From: Crow T. Robot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 19:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions Man, do you ever look and see that you're the one who's always in the controversial topics on this board? You seriously need to do a self-analysis and re-evaluate why this is. Many of us see it, funny how you don't. Snake wrote: Bob, Believe it or jobs are real. Sorry if your single, have no kids and/or are unemployed/on welfare, but we can't all live life the way you do I'm afraid, some of us have bigger responsibilities in our lives than coldfusion, like feeding the kids and paying the mortgage. I'm very happy for you that you have so much free time, but please don't try and shove your lifestyle down other peoples throats, we don't need any more dippy Daves on here, one is enough. snake -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 18:28 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions I was referring to this comment: Unfortunately I have a full-time job, so I don't have the luxury of just taking time off at a whim to play with new frameworks. Things like this have to wait until I have some free time. snake Stop imagining and actually try it. Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245343 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Framework suggestions
Greg, All I can suggest is that you get a stopwatch out and time how long it takes to send a few emails, then time how long it takes to learn and implement and test say Mach-II or FB5 and compare the difference. You will then have answered your own question. HTH Snake -Original Message- From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 20:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions But you have time to write all these uneducated opinions? On 7/3/06, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately I have a full-time job, so I don't have the luxury of just taking time off at a whim to play with new frameworks. Things like this have to wait until I have some free time. snake -Original Message- From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 13:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions Stop imagining and actually try it. On 7/3/06, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would imagine this is a pain to debug, because any errors will be in the compiled pages (which u can't view I presume if they are compiled to memory) not in the code you actually wrote. -Original Message- From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 04:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions XML is certainly not easier for CF developers to use, but it does accomplish a few important things. First, it's not language specific. This is the weakest point because not many people care whether or not they can move their controller layer between different languages, but it sounds nice. Second, it forces you to watch how much logic you put into your circuits fuses. A lot of people were shortcutting and taking advantage of the circuits, putting code like cfqueries in there, but the limited XML syntax forces you to stand back and think about your application. Third, it's easier to parse. I mentioned yesterday in this thread that the XML is parsed into plain cfml files, but it's not just a translation of cfif, cfinclude, cfset, etc. There are a few compiler directives, specifically the do action, which compiles and includes inline the contents of another fuseaction. This is what gives a lot of the performance benifits over FB 3. Instead of cfmodule or cfinclude, the code is on the same parsed file. So the syntax isn't simpler or easier, but the outcome is probably worth it. -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ On 7/2/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FB5 core is basically a compiler that transforms the XML into vanilla CFML. OK, but what's the big idea? Is XML any simpler or easier to use than CFML? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245344 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Processing after redirects
AJAX is your friend here. When the form is submitted use AJAX to send it to a stand alone process, then redirect the page to where you want to go. The action will then take place in the background. Of course the user will not see the results of their action, so it depends if that matters to you or not. snake -Original Message- From: B V [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 20:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Processing after redirects I am aware of CFFLUSH, but can i still redirect the user and continue processing? e.g I have to redirect the user for a number of reasons, and its to complicated to explain them Are you saying I should do this:? !--- Check for errors--- ! If no errors, display page --- !--- Content --- cfflush !--- Processing --- On 7/3/06, Ray Champagne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look into cfflush. B V wrote: Hello, I was wondering if there's anyway to redirect the user while the cf server is still processign their request what I mean is this: 1). User submits form 2). hit's the Action page 3). Action page redirects them 4). Action page continues processign their form data while they are visiting another page I want to do this because I have A LOT of variables to process, and I don't want them to wait, so is it possible to continue processing their request after they've been redirected, or does it cutt off? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245345 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Framework suggestions
Thanks guys for saving me several hours of having to go through FB5 myself to find this out. At least there are some people on here that take the time to write useless responses rather than just being rude. snake -Original Message- From: David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 22:04 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions Also, one of the main benefits of the XML is that the program structure and flow is described there, and not among the rest of the CF code. This enables tools like Fusebuilder, fuseminder, etc. that can document and modify the flow+structure of the application programmatically. On 7/3/06, Nathan Strutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/3/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, [...] the limited XML syntax forces you to stand back and think about your application. OK, so it's better because it's limited? Yeah. Believe it or not. It makes sure your application controller isn't doing anything but than controlling your application. Still, there are ways to get around it (hey, we're all hackers here), but it takes more work. Third, it's easier to parse. Oh n, please, not again with this old BS! This was the main point with people claiming advanges of Pascal: it's easier to compile! But please, c'mon, since when the purpose of a language is to be parsed or compiled? A language exists to make applications easier to develop for developers, period! Whether it is formal or not, easier or more difficult for the programer to write a parser, is completely insignificant. That's fine, call it how you see it. I see it as an open source community project made by seasoned CF developers. They're not trying to recreate the CF parsing engine or the JDK (which would then be incompatible with BlueDragon) in an application framework. They're just trying to automate some code gen techniques and create a framework for strucuring your applications. XML is in and quickly easily accomplishes a lot of the goals for the framework. It sounds like an easy choice for me, and the same arguments could be made for M2 and MG. Anyways, all to say this: The XML syntax isn't necessarily easier or better than CFML, but for what this, or other XML-based frameworks do for you, the extra brain space is worth using these frameworks. OK, it may be less worse the FB3, but the question is is it any better than plain vanillia CF? The truth is, it is trying to be better than FB3, which is of course an improvement on FB 2 1. I've said it before: Everywhere I've gone to work on pre-built code has some application running a FB1/2 style process (the main page with a big cfswitch, including files). It's everywhere, and this is an improvement on it. -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245346 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: odd SQL Server 2k5 error message
I would be careful on doing that on a shared host though. You wont be very popular and it could effectively breaks their TC's. Playing around with the cfadmin settings can easily break other peoples sites on the servers. -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 22:52 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: odd SQL Server 2k5 error message Charlie Griefer wrote: This is a shared host, so I don't have access to the CF Admin. is there another way to determine this? Not if your host has a proper configuration. If they don't you can use the Admin API, CreateObject(blahblahblah servicefactory) and cffile for neo-query.xml. Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245347 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Framework suggestions
Sorry useful, I meant useful :-) -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 23:56 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Framework suggestions Thanks guys for saving me several hours of having to go through FB5 myself to find this out. At least there are some people on here that take the time to write useless responses rather than just being rude. snake -Original Message- From: David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 22:04 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Framework suggestions Also, one of the main benefits of the XML is that the program structure and flow is described there, and not among the rest of the CF code. This enables tools like Fusebuilder, fuseminder, etc. that can document and modify the flow+structure of the application programmatically. On 7/3/06, Nathan Strutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/3/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, [...] the limited XML syntax forces you to stand back and think about your application. OK, so it's better because it's limited? Yeah. Believe it or not. It makes sure your application controller isn't doing anything but than controlling your application. Still, there are ways to get around it (hey, we're all hackers here), but it takes more work. Third, it's easier to parse. Oh n, please, not again with this old BS! This was the main point with people claiming advanges of Pascal: it's easier to compile! But please, c'mon, since when the purpose of a language is to be parsed or compiled? A language exists to make applications easier to develop for developers, period! Whether it is formal or not, easier or more difficult for the programer to write a parser, is completely insignificant. That's fine, call it how you see it. I see it as an open source community project made by seasoned CF developers. They're not trying to recreate the CF parsing engine or the JDK (which would then be incompatible with BlueDragon) in an application framework. They're just trying to automate some code gen techniques and create a framework for strucuring your applications. XML is in and quickly easily accomplishes a lot of the goals for the framework. It sounds like an easy choice for me, and the same arguments could be made for M2 and MG. Anyways, all to say this: The XML syntax isn't necessarily easier or better than CFML, but for what this, or other XML-based frameworks do for you, the extra brain space is worth using these frameworks. OK, it may be less worse the FB3, but the question is is it any better than plain vanillia CF? The truth is, it is trying to be better than FB3, which is of course an improvement on FB 2 1. I've said it before: Everywhere I've gone to work on pre-built code has some application running a FB1/2 style process (the main page with a big cfswitch, including files). It's everywhere, and this is an improvement on it. -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245348 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFFILE uploads
Well, I guess you could do it the traditional way (e.g iframes) and set the Target to _top That's what they USED to do, but the main reason that I want this is so I can show a spinner thingy that says loading... please be patient You wouldn't even have to post the file to an IFRAME to do that... When the onsubmit event for the form fires, just trigger off the spinning image effect you want. The file is since in the header of the request sent to the server, so the page won't change until the server starts sending some data back--which would be after the file is uploaded in its entirety. You could use a lightbox-style effect that occurs during the form's onsubmit event. -Dan ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245349 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61
Cool, Never seen ESSTP May have to install tomorrow while in the office, if its more like VSS may help a few people I know that are having issues using it correctly :-) and stop _BACKUP's gr lol Cheers -Original Message- From: Michael Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 23:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61 Kev, No problems, really. Just some discomfort with how vssplugin handles check-out/in. It feels like the person who created the plugin was more familiar with CVS than VSS. ESSTP just seems to work more like VSS. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245350 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61
Something to keep in mind is that neither of these plugins have been updated for quite a while, so you use them with new Eclipse versions at your own risk. -- Mike -Original Message- From: Kev McCabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 8:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61 Cool, Never seen ESSTP May have to install tomorrow while in the office, if its more like VSS may help a few people I know that are having issues using it correctly :-) and stop _BACKUP's gr lol Cheers -Original Message- From: Michael Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2006 23:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Eclipse 3.2 VSS 1.61 Kev, No problems, really. Just some discomfort with how vssplugin handles check-out/in. It feels like the person who created the plugin was more familiar with CVS than VSS. ESSTP just seems to work more like VSS. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245351 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
