Re: application.cfm
Or you may simply not want to waste time processing code that's unnecessary for a specific request. ... and you might even use no onRequestEnd at all ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345753 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: application.cfm
Actually cfabort was introduced as a debugging tag. Really? Note that I use CFABORT because I was not sure CFCONTENT will cause processing to stop. It is not specified in the docs, but it does, so I could remove the CFABORT tag after CFCONTENT There is still a good reason for CFABORT: stop processing after displaying an error message in application.cfm. This is not debugging, but HTTP request validation. I have plenty of validation done in application.cfm. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345754 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: New fckEditor Issue (maybe?)
is it a nbsp; (non breaking space) if so then this is put in there so that there is content so that you can actually click inside the cell to edit. Otherwise if you create a table with no specific height or width, you cannot select inside it to enter content. Yes I guess it is a non breaking space. Is there a way to prevent fckEditor from adding it? It's breaking code when the page is displayed. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345755 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
CF Spredsheet problem
I am reading a excel .xls file with cfspreadsheet action=read src = inv00075.xls sheet=1 query = the_data , I am trying to extract several dates and a dollar amount. The data that ends up in the query for dates is suppose to be a count of days since jan 1 1900, so I use a date add (Where P is equal to the query column) cfset period_e_day = #dateadd('D',P,1 jan 1900)# this results with a date that is off by two days... Any ideas why the dates a re consistenly off by two days? CF 9, windows server 2008, Oracle 11 is the system set-up ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345756 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Serving Up LOB Content
Hi All, I've written an application where the user can store Office 2007 attachments in an Oracle table. When requesting the attachment, I have a CFM template (displayAttachment.cfm) that retrieves and serves up the attachment from the table. The app works fine except for a minor glitch. IE sees the mime type and tries to process, e.g., displayAttachment.xlsx (in the case of XLSX files) which is fine. But, FireFox sees displayAttachment.cfm and tries to open that when Open is selected on the Open... dialog box. In my case, it opens the attachment content in Dreamweaver. Who knows what it tries to use on users' machines. Is there a way of altering the headers to say that displayAttachment.extensionOfAttachment is coming instead of displayAttachment.cfm so the proper application launches? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345757 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Serving Up LOB Content
I've written an application where the user can store Office 2007 attachments in an Oracle table. When requesting the attachment, I have a CFM template (displayAttachment.cfm) that retrieves and serves up the attachment from the table. The app works fine except for a minor glitch. IE sees the mime type and tries to process, e.g., displayAttachment.xlsx (in the case of XLSX files) which is fine. But, FireFox sees displayAttachment.cfm and tries to open that when Open is selected on the Open... dialog box. In my case, it opens the attachment content in Dreamweaver. Who knows what it tries to use on users' machines. Is there a way of altering the headers to say that displayAttachment.extensionOfAttachment is coming instead of displayAttachment.cfm so the proper application launches? You can use the Content-Disposition header: cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=inline; filename=#yourFileName# or cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment; filename=#yourFileName# Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or o ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345758 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Convesion from MSWord to pdf
CFDOCUMENT allows for conversion from MSword to a pdf. Any one having experience with this? Any problem or restriction? Does it supports 2007 format (docx)? Thanks. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345759 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Serving Up LOB Content
You can use the Content-Disposition header: cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=inline; filename=#yourFileName# or cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment; filename=#yourFileName# Thanks Dave! That worked! Here's the solution: cfcontent type=#myquery.mimetype# cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=inline;filename=attachment.#myquery.extension#cfoutput query=myquery#ToString(blobdata)#/cfoutput ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345760 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
complex string split
Hi, we have a string such as the following: 'word1 word2 word3 and word 4 word5 word6' we need to split the string into an array with the following criteria: - if any part of the string is inside double quotes then this is 1 array element - else each individual word is 1 array element therefore the string above would be broken down as follows: [1] = word1 [2] = word2 [3] = word3 and word4 [4] = word5 [5] = word6 an arraytolist can be used with space as the delimiter for the words but this of course would conflict with the double quotes, what would be the best way to achieve this? thanks for your help ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345761 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Finding PDF form field names
I am trying to find the form field names in a PDF. I was reading through cfpdfform and it says to get the structure do this: To verify the structure of a PDF form in ColdFusion, use the read action of cfpdfform tag, and then use the cfdump tag to display the result structure. For some reason I just can't work that out in my head, welcome to Monday right... Can someone please help me out here LOL Just for the example, say the pdf file is test.pdf. ALSO, if I am going about this incorrectly, please point me in the right direction please LOL -K ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345762 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
Try this cfpdfform action=read source=mydocument.pdf xmldata=pdfFieldsxml result=pdfFields/cfpdfform cfdump var=#pdfFields# Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:35 AM, Ken Hammond wrote: I am trying to find the form field names in a PDF. I was reading through cfpdfform and it says to get the structure do this: To verify the structure of a PDF form in ColdFusion, use the read action of cfpdfform tag, and then use the cfdump tag to display the result structure. For some reason I just can't work that out in my head, welcome to Monday right... Can someone please help me out here LOL Just for the example, say the pdf file is test.pdf. ALSO, if I am going about this incorrectly, please point me in the right direction please LOL -K ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345763 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
For some reason I just can't work that out in my head, welcome to Monday right... I would ask what did you do this weekend? But my brain is not faring much better today ;-) Just for the example, say the pdf file is test.pdf. cfpdfform action=read source=c:/path/test.pdf result=data / cfdump var=#data# ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345764 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: complex string split
You could Use REFind() to extract the strings in quotes first. Then you can use ListToArray() on what's left On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Richard White rich...@j7is.co.uk wrote: Hi, we have a string such as the following: 'word1 word2 word3 and word 4 word5 word6' we need to split the string into an array with the following criteria: - if any part of the string is inside double quotes then this is 1 array element - else each individual word is 1 array element therefore the string above would be broken down as follows: [1] = word1 [2] = word2 [3] = word3 and word4 [4] = word5 [5] = word6 an arraytolist can be used with space as the delimiter for the words but this of course would conflict with the double quotes, what would be the best way to achieve this? thanks for your help ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345765 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: New fckEditor Issue (maybe?)
take a look here http://docs.cksource.com/ anything that can be modified should be documented here. If you cannot find a way to do it then you could always strip out the non breaking spaces form the content after it is submitted Russ On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Torrent Girl moniqueb...@gmail.com wrote: is it a nbsp; (non breaking space) if so then this is put in there so that there is content so that you can actually click inside the cell to edit. Otherwise if you create a table with no specific height or width, you cannot select inside it to enter content. Yes I guess it is a non breaking space. Is there a way to prevent fckEditor from adding it? It's breaking code when the page is displayed. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345766 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
Worked like a charm, thanks! -Original Message- From: Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:46:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Finding PDF form field names Try this cfpdfform action=read source=mydocument.pdf xmldata=pdfFieldsxml result=pdfFields/cfpdfform cfdump var=#pdfFields# Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:35 AM, Ken Hammond wrote: I am trying to find the form field names in a PDF. I was reading through cfpdfform and it says to get the structure do this: To verify the structure of a PDF form in ColdFusion, use the read action of cfpdfform tag, and then use the cfdump tag to display the result structure. For some reason I just can't work that out in my head, welcome to Monday right... Can someone please help me out here LOL Just for the example, say the pdf file is test.pdf. ALSO, if I am going about this incorrectly, please point me in the right direction please LOL -K ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345767 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
Wil beat ya to the punch :-) and... last night was the first night of True Blood Season 4... My wife made me stay up and watch it and then watch the next week's episode on HBO GO online after that LOL Then of course I was awake after that and it took forever to fall asleep! -Original Message- From: Leigh cfsearch...@yahoo.com To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Finding PDF form field names For some reason I just can't work that out in my head, welcome to Monday right... I would ask what did you do this weekend? But my brain is not faring much better today ;-) Just for the example, say the pdf file is test.pdf. cfpdfform action=read source=c:/path/test.pdf result=data / cfdump var=#data# ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345768 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Need some perspective...
Ok, Bryan... time for some questions about AIR. (I'm reading over the Adobe site concerning AIR, but wanted to ask an advocate, as well...) First question is, how can AIR apps run on iOS? Isn't the output Flash based, which won't play on iOS? Rick -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:17 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Need some perspective... Well Rick...one browser if you will...AIR ;-) On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 09:46 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Thanks for the feedback, Maureen. I know how you feel. I wish we could just have one browser to rule them all. I don't even want to think about how good that would be... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... Exactly my findings. There are still enough desktop users with non-compliant browsers that HTML/CSS3 are problematic. I'm currently refactoring all my sites for new technologies, attempting to make them both fully assessable for screen reader/text browsers and for mobile browsers. I'm doing a lot of detection and loading code and style sheets based on what browser is being used, but it's a steady pain to keep up with what works and what doesn't. When I get really grumpy, my urge is to just feed a text based site to anyone using IE with a note at the top that says if you want to see the pretty stuff, get a real browser. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: To us or not to use HTML5 and CSS3 in desktop and mobile development. This came up in a few sessions at JAXconf this week. The general consensus seemed to be that HTML5 / CSS3 is a solid bet for mobile - because mobile browsers offer solid support already. The same is not true on the desktop, unless you're prepared to encourage your users to upgrade / switch browsers. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345769 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Need some perspective...
I had the exact same question! -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:08:39 -0400 Subject: RE: Need some perspective... Ok, Bryan... time for some questions about AIR. (I'm reading over the Adobe site concerning AIR, but wanted to ask an advocate, as well...) First question is, how can AIR apps run on iOS? Isn't the output Flash based, which won't play on iOS? Rick -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:17 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Need some perspective... Well Rick...one browser if you will...AIR ;-) On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 09:46 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Thanks for the feedback, Maureen. I know how you feel. I wish we could just have one browser to rule them all. I don't even want to think about how good that would be... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... Exactly my findings. There are still enough desktop users with non-compliant browsers that HTML/CSS3 are problematic. I'm currently refactoring all my sites for new technologies, attempting to make them both fully assessable for screen reader/text browsers and for mobile browsers. I'm doing a lot of detection and loading code and style sheets based on what browser is being used, but it's a steady pain to keep up with what works and what doesn't. When I get really grumpy, my urge is to just feed a text based site to anyone using IE with a note at the top that says if you want to see the pretty stuff, get a real browser. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: To us or not to use HTML5 and CSS3 in desktop and mobile development. This came up in a few sessions at JAXconf this week. The general consensus seemed to be that HTML5 / CSS3 is a solid bet for mobile - because mobile browsers offer solid support already. The same is not true on the desktop, unless you're prepared to encourage your users to upgrade / switch browsers. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345770 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: complex string split
thanks, the following works fine: cfset result = REMatch('\w+|[\w\s]*','word1 word2 word3 and word 4 word5 word6') / You could Use REFind() to extract the strings in quotes first. Then you can use ListToArray() on what's left ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345771 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Need some perspective...
Hey Rick, AIR apps can be converted to run on iOS. I'm pretty sure that is using a tool in CS 5. Apple tried to kill that, but eventually allowed for converted code instead of natively written Ojective C. They can also be exported to run on Android (which is why we are using it). .and as an added bonus...if you learn AIR, you're learninga whole lot about FLEX at the same time (AIR essentially adds functionality on top of FLEX.things like local file system access and other things a standard web app can't do). As with any other decision.best tool for the job. The way we see it here is it is one tool for multiple platforms...and that should save time (and no time wasted getting that pixel perfect cross-browser user experiencewhich I LOVE). Cheers On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 12:08 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Ok, Bryan... time for some questions about AIR. (I'm reading over the Adobe site concerning AIR, but wanted to ask an advocate, as well...) First question is, how can AIR apps run on iOS? Isn't the output Flash based, which won't play on iOS? Rick -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:17 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Need some perspective... Well Rick...one browser if you will...AIR ;-) On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 09:46 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Thanks for the feedback, Maureen. I know how you feel. I wish we could just have one browser to rule them all. I don't even want to think about how good that would be... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... Exactly my findings. There are still enough desktop users with non-compliant browsers that HTML/CSS3 are problematic. I'm currently refactoring all my sites for new technologies, attempting to make them both fully assessable for screen reader/text browsers and for mobile browsers. I'm doing a lot of detection and loading code and style sheets based on what browser is being used, but it's a steady pain to keep up with what works and what doesn't. When I get really grumpy, my urge is to just feed a text based site to anyone using IE with a note at the top that says if you want to see the pretty stuff, get a real browser. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: To us or not to use HTML5 and CSS3 in desktop and mobile development. This came up in a few sessions at JAXconf this week. The general consensus seemed to be that HTML5 / CSS3 is a solid bet for mobile - because mobile browsers offer solid support already. The same is not true on the desktop, unless you're prepared to encourage your users to upgrade / switch browsers. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345772 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Need some perspective...
I have to admit, the pixel perfect, cross-browser user experience is *really* compelling. I've been developing websites/web applications for a decade, and now that I'm having to throw mobile development into that mix, it's just a little short of insane for a one-man development team. :o) One immediate comment concerns using a tool in CS 5. Is that tool for creating iOS AIR apps only available if I purchase CS 5? At a cost of at *least* $1300 and as much as $2600, that's a lot to pay for a conversion tool. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:15 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Need some perspective... Hey Rick, AIR apps can be converted to run on iOS. I'm pretty sure that is using a tool in CS 5. Apple tried to kill that, but eventually allowed for converted code instead of natively written Ojective C. They can also be exported to run on Android (which is why we are using it). .and as an added bonus...if you learn AIR, you're learninga whole lot about FLEX at the same time (AIR essentially adds functionality on top of FLEX.things like local file system access and other things a standard web app can't do). As with any other decision.best tool for the job. The way we see it here is it is one tool for multiple platforms...and that should save time (and no time wasted getting that pixel perfect cross-browser user experiencewhich I LOVE). Cheers On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 12:08 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Ok, Bryan... time for some questions about AIR. (I'm reading over the Adobe site concerning AIR, but wanted to ask an advocate, as well...) First question is, how can AIR apps run on iOS? Isn't the output Flash based, which won't play on iOS? Rick -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:17 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Need some perspective... Well Rick...one browser if you will...AIR ;-) On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 09:46 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Thanks for the feedback, Maureen. I know how you feel. I wish we could just have one browser to rule them all. I don't even want to think about how good that would be... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... Exactly my findings. There are still enough desktop users with non-compliant browsers that HTML/CSS3 are problematic. I'm currently refactoring all my sites for new technologies, attempting to make them both fully assessable for screen reader/text browsers and for mobile browsers. I'm doing a lot of detection and loading code and style sheets based on what browser is being used, but it's a steady pain to keep up with what works and what doesn't. When I get really grumpy, my urge is to just feed a text based site to anyone using IE with a note at the top that says if you want to see the pretty stuff, get a real browser. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: To us or not to use HTML5 and CSS3 in desktop and mobile development. This came up in a few sessions at JAXconf this week. The general consensus seemed to be that HTML5 / CSS3 is a solid bet for mobile - because mobile browsers offer solid support already. The same is not true on the desktop, unless you're prepared to encourage your users to upgrade / switch browsers. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345773 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
... My wife made me stay up and watch it and then watch the next week's episode on HBO GO online after that Ahh, I see. Your *wife* made you stay up late ... There goes my sympathy ;) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345774 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Need some perspective...
Hey Rick, Yeahsimilar boat here. Tried AIR for use onboard commercial fishing vessel PCsworks great! Now we're heading to mobile dev and have done some basic prelim stuff using Flash Builder 4.5 (Burrito)amazing how fast you can put together a basic app. We did a sample using the Twitter API.shows top trending subjectsthen press a subject to see it's tweetsthen press a tweet to see details about it's origin. All that took about 30-45 mins once we knew how the API worked. I'm sorry, but I'm not sure which part of CS 5 (we're targeting Android first so haven't investigated fully)..but I do know the tool is not just a converter. Even if it was, I'd argue the time saved not writing for iOS and then again for Android would be worth it ;-) So it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but it sure impressed me (and those that know me know how picky I am)! Cheers On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 12:39 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: I have to admit, the pixel perfect, cross-browser user experience is *really* compelling. I've been developing websites/web applications for a decade, and now that I'm having to throw mobile development into that mix, it's just a little short of insane for a one-man development team. :o) One immediate comment concerns using a tool in CS 5. Is that tool for creating iOS AIR apps only available if I purchase CS 5? At a cost of at *least* $1300 and as much as $2600, that's a lot to pay for a conversion tool. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:15 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Need some perspective... Hey Rick, AIR apps can be converted to run on iOS. I'm pretty sure that is using a tool in CS 5. Apple tried to kill that, but eventually allowed for converted code instead of natively written Ojective C. They can also be exported to run on Android (which is why we are using it). .and as an added bonus...if you learn AIR, you're learninga whole lot about FLEX at the same time (AIR essentially adds functionality on top of FLEX.things like local file system access and other things a standard web app can't do). As with any other decision.best tool for the job. The way we see it here is it is one tool for multiple platforms...and that should save time (and no time wasted getting that pixel perfect cross-browser user experiencewhich I LOVE). Cheers On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 12:08 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Ok, Bryan... time for some questions about AIR. (I'm reading over the Adobe site concerning AIR, but wanted to ask an advocate, as well...) First question is, how can AIR apps run on iOS? Isn't the output Flash based, which won't play on iOS? Rick -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:17 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Need some perspective... Well Rick...one browser if you will...AIR ;-) On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 09:46 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Thanks for the feedback, Maureen. I know how you feel. I wish we could just have one browser to rule them all. I don't even want to think about how good that would be... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... Exactly my findings. There are still enough desktop users with non-compliant browsers that HTML/CSS3 are problematic. I'm currently refactoring all my sites for new technologies, attempting to make them both fully assessable for screen reader/text browsers and for mobile browsers. I'm doing a lot of detection and loading code and style sheets based on what browser is being used, but it's a steady pain to keep up with what works and what doesn't. When I get really grumpy, my urge is to just feed a text based site to anyone using IE with a note at the top that says if you want to see the pretty stuff, get a real browser. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: To us or not to use HTML5 and CSS3 in desktop and mobile development. This came up in a few sessions at JAXconf this week. The general consensus seemed to be that HTML5 / CSS3 is a solid bet for mobile - because mobile browsers offer solid support already. The same is not true on the desktop, unless you're prepared to encourage your users to upgrade / switch browsers. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive:
RE: Need some perspective...
Ok... thanks for that. (as Chris Wallace says on Fox News Sunday... too often used to end his segments! :o) Another question, however, is raised by your comments. Since AIR worked so well for the commercial fishing app, why are you transitioning to Flash Builder for mobile dev? I just want *one* platform to develop on for everything I do. Is AIR not capable of doing some things that Flash Builder can do? (I've hated Flash for the last 10+ years, ever since it was just a fancy graphics animation tool.) Great stuff could be done with Flash animation, but nothing I could make money with. (Did I mention I have a biased, perhaps undue, hatred for Flash? :o) -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:50 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Need some perspective... Hey Rick, Yeahsimilar boat here. Tried AIR for use onboard commercial fishing vessel PCsworks great! Now we're heading to mobile dev and have done some basic prelim stuff using Flash Builder 4.5 (Burrito)amazing how fast you can put together a basic app. We did a sample using the Twitter API.shows top trending subjectsthen press a subject to see it's tweetsthen press a tweet to see details about it's origin. All that took about 30-45 mins once we knew how the API worked. I'm sorry, but I'm not sure which part of CS 5 (we're targeting Android first so haven't investigated fully)..but I do know the tool is not just a converter. Even if it was, I'd argue the time saved not writing for iOS and then again for Android would be worth it ;-) So it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but it sure impressed me (and those that know me know how picky I am)! Cheers On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 12:39 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: I have to admit, the pixel perfect, cross-browser user experience is *really* compelling. I've been developing websites/web applications for a decade, and now that I'm having to throw mobile development into that mix, it's just a little short of insane for a one-man development team. :o) One immediate comment concerns using a tool in CS 5. Is that tool for creating iOS AIR apps only available if I purchase CS 5? At a cost of at *least* $1300 and as much as $2600, that's a lot to pay for a conversion tool. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:15 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Need some perspective... Hey Rick, AIR apps can be converted to run on iOS. I'm pretty sure that is using a tool in CS 5. Apple tried to kill that, but eventually allowed for converted code instead of natively written Ojective C. They can also be exported to run on Android (which is why we are using it). .and as an added bonus...if you learn AIR, you're learninga whole lot about FLEX at the same time (AIR essentially adds functionality on top of FLEX.things like local file system access and other things a standard web app can't do). As with any other decision.best tool for the job. The way we see it here is it is one tool for multiple platforms...and that should save time (and no time wasted getting that pixel perfect cross-browser user experiencewhich I LOVE). Cheers On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 12:08 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Ok, Bryan... time for some questions about AIR. (I'm reading over the Adobe site concerning AIR, but wanted to ask an advocate, as well...) First question is, how can AIR apps run on iOS? Isn't the output Flash based, which won't play on iOS? Rick -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:17 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Need some perspective... Well Rick...one browser if you will...AIR ;-) On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 09:46 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Thanks for the feedback, Maureen. I know how you feel. I wish we could just have one browser to rule them all. I don't even want to think about how good that would be... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... Exactly my findings. There are still enough desktop users with non-compliant browsers that HTML/CSS3 are problematic. I'm currently refactoring all my sites for new technologies, attempting to make them both fully assessable for screen reader/text browsers and for mobile browsers. I'm doing a lot of detection and loading code and style sheets based on what browser is being used, but it's a steady pain to keep up with what works and what doesn't. When I get really grumpy, my urge is to just feed a text based site to anyone using IE with a note at the top that says if you want to see the pretty stuff, get a real browser.
RE: Need some perspective...
AIR and Flex are both done in Flash Builder. AIR is Flex code with extra functionality. You can buy Flash Builder (Adobe purpose built Eclipse app) OR buy the Eclipse plugin (which is essentially the same thingbut allows for CF coding at the same time via CFEclipse) So there we are not transitioning.it's still AIRyou can build mobile or desktop apps with it.just a rather unfortunate IDE nameFlash Builder ;-) BTWsame issues with Flash in the past (damn that timeline)and didn't like early Flex due to the HUGE cost (now free). Hope that clears things upone ring to rule them all ;-) Cheers On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 13:01 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Ok... thanks for that. (as Chris Wallace says on Fox News Sunday... too often used to end his segments! :o) Another question, however, is raised by your comments. Since AIR worked so well for the commercial fishing app, why are you transitioning to Flash Builder for mobile dev? I just want *one* platform to develop on for everything I do. Is AIR not capable of doing some things that Flash Builder can do? (I've hated Flash for the last 10+ years, ever since it was just a fancy graphics animation tool.) Great stuff could be done with Flash animation, but nothing I could make money with. (Did I mention I have a biased, perhaps undue, hatred for Flash? :o) -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345777 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Need some perspective...
Another question, however, is raised by your comments. Since AIR worked so well for the commercial fishing app, why are you transitioning to Flash Builder for mobile dev? Flash Builder lets you build Flex apps that target AIR. You don't need Flash Builder for this: you can use other tools to build Flex apps that target AIR, or you can build HTML/JS apps that target AIR. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345778 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Need some perspective...
Ohand Flex as a web app with CF as the backendnow you're talkin! -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345779 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Need some perspective...
You can buy Flash Builder (Adobe purpose built Eclipse app) OR buy the Eclipse plugin (which is essentially the same thingbut allows for CF coding at the same time via CFEclipse) I'm pretty sure you can install the CFEclipse plugin into the standalone Flash Builder. You can install most plugins into it - it's just the Flash Builder plugin with a specific version of Eclipse bundled together. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345780 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Tutorials using CF Builder 2
I'm surprised by the lack (as in, couldn't find even one!) of tutorials that utilize CF Builder. Plenty of tutorials that utilize Dreamweaver, but none that I saw after searching the Adobe site that use CF Builder. Several tutorials show *how* to use CF Builder, but none, such as, Building Website with HTML5 and CSS3 that don't use Dreamweaver. What's up with that? I'd think CF Builder, by now, would have some tutorials produced by Adobe, as they have with Dreamweaver... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345781 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Tutorials using CF Builder 2
The Start Page in ColdFusion Builder 2 has many of such resources. This blog post of mine details these. http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2011/3/25/Getting-Started-ColdFusion-Builder-2 Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Jun 27, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: I'm surprised by the lack (as in, couldn't find even one!) of tutorials that utilize CF Builder. Plenty of tutorials that utilize Dreamweaver, but none that I saw after searching the Adobe site that use CF Builder. Several tutorials show *how* to use CF Builder, but none, such as, Building Website with HTML5 and CSS3 that don't use Dreamweaver. What's up with that? I'd think CF Builder, by now, would have some tutorials produced by Adobe, as they have with Dreamweaver... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345782 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Need some perspective...
Really Dave? that would be cool as we bought FlashBuilder licences and not the plugin ;-) Thanks for the tip! On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 13:14 -0400, Dave Watts wrote: You can buy Flash Builder (Adobe purpose built Eclipse app) OR buy the Eclipse plugin (which is essentially the same thingbut allows for CF coding at the same time via CFEclipse) I'm pretty sure you can install the CFEclipse plugin into the standalone Flash Builder. You can install most plugins into it - it's just the Flash Builder plugin with a specific version of Eclipse bundled together. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345783 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Need some perspective...
Anyone making use of CFB2's AIR Project presets? I looked to see if CFB2 has anything to do with AIR and found the New AIR Project choice. And I would definitely rather use HTML5/CSS3/jQuery to build apps than learn yet another language than delve into another language, which seems to be an approach option for building AIR apps, based on what I've read on Adobe's site. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:14 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... You can buy Flash Builder (Adobe purpose built Eclipse app) OR buy the Eclipse plugin (which is essentially the same thingbut allows for CF coding at the same time via CFEclipse) I'm pretty sure you can install the CFEclipse plugin into the standalone Flash Builder. You can install most plugins into it - it's just the Flash Builder plugin with a specific version of Eclipse bundled together. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345784 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: complex string split
the only issue with this regular expression is if the user tries to put any non-alphanumeric symbol in the string such as 'word-1' or 'word*1'. how can i amend the regular expression to allow for any of these characters: we tried '[/w-/W]+|[\w\s-/W]*' but then it ignores the splitting on the double quotes thanks thanks, the following works fine: cfset result = REMatch('\w+|[\w\s]*','word1 word2 word3 and word 4 word5 word6') / You could Use REFind() to extract the strings in quotes first. Then you can use ListToArray() on what's left ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345785 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Need some perspective...
Now here's an example I would point to concerning the difficulty I would have even getting past consideration of using Adobe's technologies. Take this presentation/tutorial on Adobe's site, for example: ...Tim Buntel explains the data-centric features in Flash Builder 4 and shows how developers can use both Flash Builder and ColdFusion to create Flex applications. Three different technologies mentioned in one statement. Learn Flash Builder 4 and the ColdFusion language to be able to create a Flex application. Sounds too convoluted, to me. Too many diverse technologies? Confusing to those considering using Adobe's products? AIR, Flash, Flex, ColdFusion, etc? Dreamweaver or Flash Builder, or perhaps ColdFusion Builder? I'm glad I'm not just starting out in this, trying to decide what to use to make a living. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:19 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... Really Dave? that would be cool as we bought FlashBuilder licences and not the plugin ;-) Thanks for the tip! On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 13:14 -0400, Dave Watts wrote: You can buy Flash Builder (Adobe purpose built Eclipse app) OR buy the Eclipse plugin (which is essentially the same thingbut allows for CF coding at the same time via CFEclipse) I'm pretty sure you can install the CFEclipse plugin into the standalone Flash Builder. You can install most plugins into it - it's just the Flash Builder plugin with a specific version of Eclipse bundled together. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345786 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Need some perspective...
All I can say Rick is that if you can write CF you can handle Flex/AIR.MXML is tag based an fairly obvious 9tag names and attribute names are very familiar)and ActionScript 3 is based on ECMA (same as JavaScript is). We learned on the fly and that code is in PRODthat's how easy we found it. ...but heyeach to their ownit's what does the trick for you ;-) Have a look for the Flex in a Week video series at Adobemaybe that will give you the peek under the hood to show you it's pretty easy to pick up Cheers On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 13:19 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Anyone making use of CFB2's AIR Project presets? I looked to see if CFB2 has anything to do with AIR and found the New AIR Project choice. And I would definitely rather use HTML5/CSS3/jQuery to build apps than learn yet another language than delve into another language, which seems to be an approach option for building AIR apps, based on what I've read on Adobe's site. -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345787 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Need some perspective...
Now here's an example I would point to concerning the difficulty I would have even getting past consideration of using Adobe's technologies. Take this presentation/tutorial on Adobe's site, for example: ...Tim Buntel explains the data-centric features in Flash Builder 4 and shows how developers can use both Flash Builder and ColdFusion to create Flex applications. Three different technologies mentioned in one statement. Learn Flash Builder 4 and the ColdFusion language to be able to create a Flex application. Sounds too convoluted, to me. Too many diverse technologies? Confusing to those considering using Adobe's products? AIR, Flash, Flex, ColdFusion, etc? Dreamweaver or Flash Builder, or perhaps ColdFusion Builder? I'm glad I'm not just starting out in this, trying to decide what to use to make a living. I don't know what kind of response you hope for here. Programming is complicated. Client-server programming is more complicated. Web programming (being a specific subset of client-server programming) is arguably more complicated still. And yet, I think all of them are simpler than building console applications in assembler, which is a much less complex environment overall. Would you find this confusing? ... how developers can use an editor and a server-side scripting language to build web applications ... Because that's basically the same as this: ... how developers can use both Flash Builder and ColdFusion to create Flex applications ... And of course, to build applications that are just ColdFusion, you have to know a lot of things already - relational databases, HTML, HTTP, maybe JavaScript and CSS. You seem to want things to be not only simpler than they are, but simpler than they can be. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or on ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345788 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Problem with pound signs
I tried it out. It works sort-of. It only lists the first time the single pound sign happened. While this identifies the file you have to rescan just to find the next error. Someone else mentioned that manually fixing would be boring and tedious. I agree with that but when one programmer decides to do a mass search and replace and totally destroys a code base, then management directs you to do it by hand. :( Steve Sent from my iPhone On Jun 25, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote: I'll forgive you - once. ;) I'm still waiting to here back from Steven to see if this method worked for him. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345789 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Need some perspective...
Well Adobe does a horrible job of explaining anything IMHO. You do not have to use CF.the reality is you can use PHP/.NET/CF and more with Flex (or none). To me that makes it (pardon the pun) Flexibile ;-) Againall I can say is how easy it really is (and how complicated Adobe makes it sound). BTW...it mentions 2 technologies...CF and Flex (again Flash Builder is for Flex/AIR app development Cheers On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 13:31 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Now here's an example I would point to concerning the difficulty I would have even getting past consideration of using Adobe's technologies. Take this presentation/tutorial on Adobe's site, for example: ...Tim Buntel explains the data-centric features in Flash Builder 4 and shows how developers can use both Flash Builder and ColdFusion to create Flex applications. Three different technologies mentioned in one statement. Learn Flash Builder 4 and the ColdFusion language to be able to create a Flex application. Sounds too convoluted, to me. Too many diverse technologies? Confusing to those considering using Adobe's products? AIR, Flash, Flex, ColdFusion, etc? Dreamweaver or Flash Builder, or perhaps ColdFusion Builder? I'm glad I'm not just starting out in this, trying to decide what to use to make a living. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:19 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... Really Dave? that would be cool as we bought FlashBuilder licences and not the plugin ;-) Thanks for the tip! On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 13:14 -0400, Dave Watts wrote: You can buy Flash Builder (Adobe purpose built Eclipse app) OR buy the Eclipse plugin (which is essentially the same thingbut allows for CF coding at the same time via CFEclipse) I'm pretty sure you can install the CFEclipse plugin into the standalone Flash Builder. You can install most plugins into it - it's just the Flash Builder plugin with a specific version of Eclipse bundled together. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345790 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Need some perspective...
Really Dave? that would be cool as we bought FlashBuilder licences and not the plugin ;-) Thanks for the tip! In addition, I think you can use the same serial number whether you download the standard FB installer or the Eclipse plugin. I know it used to be this way, as I'd install both on training room machines. One potential problem with installing plugins on the standard FB install is that it comes with an older version of Eclipse. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345791 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Problem with pound signs
Someone else mentioned that manually fixing would be boring and tedious. I agree with that but when one programmer decides to do a mass search and replace and totally destroys a code base, then management directs you to do it by hand. :( backup and restore? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345792 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Problem with pound signs
Yeah but for us that involved getting another group involved and lots of programmer down-time. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2011, at 1:45 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: Someone else mentioned that manually fixing would be boring and tedious. I agree with that but when one programmer decides to do a mass search and replace and totally destroys a code base, then management directs you to do it by hand. :( backup and restore? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345793 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Need some perspective...
And of course, to build applications that are just ColdFusion, you have to know a lot of things already - relational databases, HTML, HTTP, maybe JavaScript and CSS. I guess what I'm saying is that I can already do the above, I just want a single medium through which to deliver the resulting product. And don't forget design as a requirement for the one-man band. You seem to want things to be not only simpler than they are, but simpler than they can be. I suppose... as long as things continue to change so extremely rapidly, which is good in many ways, I will just have to deal with the changing landscape. Suddenly, plain ole text documents (no graphics) has a certain quaint charm. :o) I just need a vacation... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:42 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... Now here's an example I would point to concerning the difficulty I would have even getting past consideration of using Adobe's technologies. Take this presentation/tutorial on Adobe's site, for example: ...Tim Buntel explains the data-centric features in Flash Builder 4 and shows how developers can use both Flash Builder and ColdFusion to create Flex applications. Three different technologies mentioned in one statement. Learn Flash Builder 4 and the ColdFusion language to be able to create a Flex application. Sounds too convoluted, to me. Too many diverse technologies? Confusing to those considering using Adobe's products? AIR, Flash, Flex, ColdFusion, etc? Dreamweaver or Flash Builder, or perhaps ColdFusion Builder? I'm glad I'm not just starting out in this, trying to decide what to use to make a living. I don't know what kind of response you hope for here. Programming is complicated. Client-server programming is more complicated. Web programming (being a specific subset of client-server programming) is arguably more complicated still. And yet, I think all of them are simpler than building console applications in assembler, which is a much less complex environment overall. Would you find this confusing? ... how developers can use an editor and a server-side scripting language to build web applications ... Because that's basically the same as this: ... how developers can use both Flash Builder and ColdFusion to create Flex applications ... And of course, to build applications that are just ColdFusion, you have to know a lot of things already - relational databases, HTML, HTTP, maybe JavaScript and CSS. You seem to want things to be not only simpler than they are, but simpler than they can be. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or on ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345794 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Need some perspective...
And of course, to build applications that are just ColdFusion, you have to know a lot of things already - relational databases, HTML, HTTP, maybe JavaScript and CSS. I guess what I'm saying is that I can already do the above, I just want a single medium through which to deliver the resulting product. And don't forget design as a requirement for the one-man band. But you don't have a single medium now. That's my point. You have to write in at least three different languages, maybe more, for your just ColdFusion applications: CF, SQL, HTML, JS, CSS. Using Flex as a front-end, you can drop a couple of other languages, more or less - JavaScript and HTML. And design is irrelevant here, as you'd have to do that no matter which approach you take. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345795 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Need some perspective...
Even better Dave.and I hear you on the version issue (which was my only concern).will have to investigate further Thanks againgreat info! -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345796 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Need some perspective...
When I mentioned medium, I meant delivery medium, not creation medium. One last question (for now!): Can I just build HTML5/CSS3/jQuery/SQL/CF apps and then just convert them to AIR applications without programming FLEX? -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:54 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... And of course, to build applications that are just ColdFusion, you have to know a lot of things already - relational databases, HTML, HTTP, maybe JavaScript and CSS. I guess what I'm saying is that I can already do the above, I just want a single medium through which to deliver the resulting product. And don't forget design as a requirement for the one-man band. But you don't have a single medium now. That's my point. You have to write in at least three different languages, maybe more, for your just ColdFusion applications: CF, SQL, HTML, JS, CSS. Using Flex as a front-end, you can drop a couple of other languages, more or less - JavaScript and HTML. And design is irrelevant here, as you'd have to do that no matter which approach you take. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345797 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Need some perspective...
When I mentioned medium, I meant delivery medium, not creation medium. I don't see how that makes any difference. When you write CF and HTML applications using, say, jQuery, you have a bunch of files that you create. Some are CF files that generate HTML. Others are JavaScript files. Still others are CSS files. You can create them all in one editor, or in separate editors. When you write Flex applications with a CF backend, you also have a bunch of files you create. Some are CF files that generate XML or some other consumable format (typically, you don't even have to worry about the format thanks to the data options in Flash Builder). Others are SWF files. You can create them all in one editor, or in separate editors. Can I just build HTML5/CSS3/jQuery/SQL/CF apps and then just convert them to AIR applications without programming FLEX? AIR is a runtime library that supports two types of applications: Flex/AS3 and HTML/JS. But the key thing is, they're desktop applications instead of web applications. So, you could use CF services from your desktop application, but you couldn't take your existing CF applications and simply make them into AIR applications without significant changes. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345798 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Need some perspective...
A bit late to this conversation. I don't have much to answer in terms of questions as Dave did a kick ass job, but if you want to see some examples, I did a presentation on Flex+CF just last week. You can find my slides and a link to the recording here: http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2011/6/24/Slides-code-and-recording-from-my-Flex-MobileColdFusion-presentation For a more concentrated look at one of the examples from the presentation, see http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2011/6/25/Flex-MobileColdFusion-Example--Art-Search If there any more questions I can answer - let me know - although I think Dave will beat me. ;) On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: When I mentioned medium, I meant delivery medium, not creation medium. I don't see how that makes any difference. When you write CF and HTML applications using, say, jQuery, you have a bunch of files that you create. Some are CF files that generate HTML. Others are JavaScript files. Still others are CSS files. You can create them all in one editor, or in separate editors. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345799 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
LOL! It was either that or catch the 1/2 story play by play the next day. So, I am running into a problem that I really have no idea why it's happening... I am trying to update a PDF form and then save it as a different file (it's a federal I9 form). First, I commented out the 2 fields that have an array; I don't know how to access them - the way I did it I get an error (the structure I have for the form says LPRAlienNumber is an array, with 2 items). Second, The rest continues without error but when I get to the output file, nothing has been inserted into it. I also commented out the second sub form that says page4 as it didn't seem to do anything either (it was just something I found on the web that said I may need to use another sub child inside of the subform for form1 to get to the actual page4). Any help would be MUCH appreciated! Link to I9 form: http://www.filedropper.com/test_2 Here's the code: cftry cfpdfform source=test.pdf result=pdfForm action=read/ cfcatch pThe pdf is not interactive. No form fields could be found./p cfabort /cfcatch /cftry cfpdfform action=populate source=test.pdf destination=testfinal.pdf overwrite=true overwritedata=yes cfif structCount(pdfForm) gt 0 cfpdfsubform name=form1 !--- cfpdfsubform name=page4 --- !--- cfpdfformparam name=LPRAlienNumber[1] value=0 / cfpdfformparam name=LPRAlienNumber[2] value= / --- cfpdfformparam name=address value=2413 Leckrone Dr / cfpdfformparam name=alienauthorizedtowork value=0 / cfpdfformparam name=alienworknumber value= / cfpdfformparam name=apartmentnumber value= / cfpdfformparam name=businessdate value= / cfpdfformparam name=businessnameaddress value= / cfpdfformparam name=certificationdate value= / cfpdfformparam name=certprintname value= / cfpdfformparam name=certtitle value= / cfpdfformparam name=citizen1 value=0 / cfpdfformparam name=city value=Plainfield / cfpdfformparam name=dateofbirth value=03/22/1979 / cfpdfformparam name=dateofrehire value= / cfpdfformparam name=docnumberlistA value= / cfpdfformparam name=doctitle value= / cfpdfformparam name=documentnumber value= / cfpdfformparam name=documentnumberlistA value= / cfpdfformparam name=documenttitlelistA value= / cfpdfformparam name=employersignaturedate value= / !--- cfpdfformparam name=expirationdate[1] value= / cfpdfformparam name=expirationdate[2] value= / cfpdfformparam name=expirationdate[3] value= / --- cfpdfformparam name=expirationdatelistA value= / cfpdfformparam name=firstname value=Kenneth / cfpdfformparam name=issuingauthoritylistA value= / cfpdfformparam name=lastname value=Hammond / cfpdfformparam name=listb1 value= / cfpdfformparam name=listb2 value= / cfpdfformparam name=listb3 value= / cfpdfformparam name=listb4 value= / cfpdfformparam name=listc1 value= / cfpdfformparam name=listc2 value= / cfpdfformparam name=listc3 value= / cfpdfformparam name=listc4 value= / cfpdfformparam name=maidenname value= / cfpdfformparam name=middleinitial value= / cfpdfformparam name=newname value= / cfpdfformparam name=noncitizennational value=0 / cfpdfformparam name=prepareressignature value= / cfpdfformparam name=preparersaddress value= / cfpdfformparam name=preparerssignaturedate value= / cfpdfformparam name=printname value= / cfpdfformparam name=signaturedate value= / cfpdfformparam name=ssnum value= / cfpdfformparam name=state value=IL /
loop timing out
I'm creating a scheduled_task to correct a problem. For the correction, I'm doing a query for the list of problem records. Then I'm looping through the problem records and resending each one of them through the same code that it went through when it developed the problem. That code has several database updates. Unfortunately, I'm timing out of the cfloop. I don't have access to the page that I'm looping through, so I can't change it. Is there a way to let a loop have other transactions so that it doesn't time out? I thought of putting the loop in another loop, so that it only does 5 at a time, but then that's just a loop in a loop and then the outer one will time out. Did I state this clearly? A friend of mine suggested the line: cfsetting requestTimeOut = 120â I am told that this setting will only be persistent for that page and that the timeout will revert to it's previous setting once the page is done running. Is that correct? I was also concerned that when CF is upgraded (we're on CF7 for this app) that this setting might be trouble. Any thoughts? Overall, I'd like a different solution than this, something that will make the loop more acceptable. thank you for any assistance. daniel ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345801 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
... or catch the 1/2 story play by play the next day. Ah, now the truth comes out ... ;) So, I am running into a problem I tried a quick test under CF9 (using full paths) and all of the test values are populated for me. cfpdfform action=populate source=c:/test.pdf destination=c:/testfinal.pdf overwrite=true overwritedata=yes cfpdfsubform name=form1 !--- 1-checked, 0-unchecked --- cfpdfformparam name=LPRAlienNumber value=1 / cfpdfformparam name=address value=2413 Leckrone Dr / cfpdfformparam name=alienauthorizedtowork value=0 / cfpdfformparam name=alienworknumber value=alienworknumber / cfpdfformparam name=apartmentnumber value=apt / cfpdfformparam name=businessdate value=businessdate / cfpdfformparam name=city value=city / cfpdfformparam name=dateofbirth value=01/01/1900 / cfpdfformparam name=dateofrehire value=dateofrehire / cfpdfformparam name=docnumberlistA value=docnumberlistA / cfpdfformparam name=doctitle value=doctitle / cfpdfformparam name=documentnumber value=documentnumber / cfpdfformparam name=documentnumberlistA value=documentnumberlistA / cfpdfformparam name=documenttitlelistA value=documenttitlelistA / cfpdfformparam name=employersignaturedate value= / cfpdfformparam name=expirationdate value=01/31/1900 / cfpdfformparam name=expirationdatelistA value=expirationdatelistA / cfpdfformparam name=firstname value=Kenneth / cfpdfformparam name=lastname value=Hammond / /cfpdfsubform /cfpdfform ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345802 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
Is that the only thing you changed? I am also running CF9. -Original Message- From: Leigh cfsearch...@yahoo.com To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Finding PDF form field names ... or catch the 1/2 story play by play the next day. Ah, now the truth comes out ... ;) So, I am running into a problem I tried a quick test under CF9 (using full paths) and all of the test values are populated for me. cfpdfform action=populate source=c:/test.pdf destination=c:/testfinal.pdf overwrite=true overwritedata=yes cfpdfsubform name=form1 !--- 1-checked, 0-unchecked --- cfpdfformparam name=LPRAlienNumber value=1 / cfpdfformparam name=address value=2413 Leckrone Dr / cfpdfformparam name=alienauthorizedtowork value=0 / cfpdfformparam name=alienworknumber value=alienworknumber / cfpdfformparam name=apartmentnumber value=apt / cfpdfformparam name=businessdate value=businessdate / cfpdfformparam name=city value=city / cfpdfformparam name=dateofbirth value=01/01/1900 / cfpdfformparam name=dateofrehire value=dateofrehire / cfpdfformparam name=docnumberlistA value=docnumberlistA / cfpdfformparam name=doctitle value=doctitle / cfpdfformparam name=documentnumber value=documentnumber / cfpdfformparam name=documentnumberlistA value=documentnumberlistA / cfpdfformparam name=documenttitlelistA value=documenttitlelistA / cfpdfformparam name=employersignaturedate value= / cfpdfformparam name=expirationdate value=01/31/1900 / cfpdfformparam name=expirationdatelistA value=expirationdatelistA / cfpdfformparam name=firstname value=Kenneth / cfpdfformparam name=lastname value=Hammond / /cfpdfsubform /cfpdfform ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345803 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
Any ideas for those fields with arrays? LPRAlienNumber and expirationdate. In my cfdump it shows array LPRAlienNumber 1 0 2 [empty string] expiration date 1 [empty string] 2 [empty string] 3 [empty string] -Original Message- From: Leigh cfsearch...@yahoo.com To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Finding PDF form field names ... or catch the 1/2 story play by play the next day. Ah, now the truth comes out ... ;) So, I am running into a problem I tried a quick test under CF9 (using full paths) and all of the test values are populated for me. cfpdfform action=populate source=c:/test.pdf destination=c:/testfinal.pdf overwrite=true overwritedata=yes cfpdfsubform name=form1 !--- 1-checked, 0-unchecked --- cfpdfformparam name=LPRAlienNumber value=1 / cfpdfformparam name=address value=2413 Leckrone Dr / cfpdfformparam name=alienauthorizedtowork value=0 / cfpdfformparam name=alienworknumber value=alienworknumber / cfpdfformparam name=apartmentnumber value=apt / cfpdfformparam name=businessdate value=businessdate / cfpdfformparam name=city value=city / cfpdfformparam name=dateofbirth value=01/01/1900 / cfpdfformparam name=dateofrehire value=dateofrehire / cfpdfformparam name=docnumberlistA value=docnumberlistA / cfpdfformparam name=doctitle value=doctitle / cfpdfformparam name=documentnumber value=documentnumber / cfpdfformparam name=documentnumberlistA value=documentnumberlistA / cfpdfformparam name=documenttitlelistA value=documenttitlelistA / cfpdfformparam name=employersignaturedate value= / cfpdfformparam name=expirationdate value=01/31/1900 / cfpdfformparam name=expirationdatelistA value=expirationdatelistA / cfpdfformparam name=firstname value=Kenneth / cfpdfformparam name=lastname value=Hammond / /cfpdfsubform /cfpdfform ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345804 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
Yep. I just downloaded the form and filled in a few more values (most of yours were blank). Using the exact code posted, all of those values are populated in my destination file. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345805 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: loop timing out
Hey Daniel, In order to assist you, it would be helpful to see the code that has the loop as well as some knowledge of what the 'database call' is doing. (maybe the database call isn't returning?) The cfsetting that you mention, does only change the timeout setting for the page that it is set in. It does not change the master settings in the cfadmin, so it will not effect other pages on your website directly. (this is true from CF7 thru CF9, and I would expect any future version of CF as well) The issue that it appears that you are running into is two-fold. 1. how many 'actions' are you looping over combined with 2. how long does it take to complete each action. Setting up a 'grouped' plan to only run x of them is a valid assessment, but I would suggest that you do this by tracking which ones need to be redone outside of the page. An example would be, you could have each of the necessary redone's to show up in a database table, and mark them as completed once they are done. The you would just need to pull the oldest 5 of them each time you load the page. (this would mean the page would have to be loaded more often. The best solution for you, will probably come after you have posted some more information (the loop code and 'what' the action is doing) hope this helps, William -- William E. Seiter On Jun 27, 2011, daniel kessler dani...@umd.edu wrote: I'm creating a scheduled_task to correct a problem. For the correction, I'm doing a query for the list of problem records. Then I'm looping through the problem records and resending each one of them through the same code that it went through when it developed the problem. That code has several database updates. Unfortunately, I'm timing out of the cfloop. I don't have access to the page that I'm looping through, so I can't change it. Is there a way to let a loop have other transactions so that it doesn't time out? I thought of putting the loop in another loop, so that it only does 5 at a time, but then that's just a loop in a loop and then the outer one will time out. Did I state this clearly? A friend of mine suggested the line: cfsetting requestTimeOut = 120â I am told that this setting will only be persistent for that page and that the timeout will revert to it's previous setting once the page is done running. Is that correct? I was also concerned that when CF is upgraded (we're on CF7 for this app) that this setting might be trouble. Any thoughts? Overall, I'd like a different solution than this, something that will make the loop more acceptable. thank you for any assistance. daniel ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345806 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Need some perspective...
That I'm not sure of Rick I'd never do it as it's too easy to do it in AIR.you can even use CSS in Flex/AIR Cheers On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 13:59 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: When I mentioned medium, I meant delivery medium, not creation medium. One last question (for now!): Can I just build HTML5/CSS3/jQuery/SQL/CF apps and then just convert them to AIR applications without programming FLEX? -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345807 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
No matter what I do to this it will not work :-/ I added full paths and still no luck -Original Message- From: Leigh cfsearch...@yahoo.com To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Finding PDF form field names Yep. I just downloaded the form and filled in a few more values (most of yours were blank). Using the exact code posted, all of those values are populated in my destination file. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345808 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
I am not sure about LPRAlienNumber. But for expirationdate use index. Example: cfpdfformparam name=expirationdate index=1 value=12/31/1899 / cfpdfformparam name=expirationdate index=2 value=10/10/1910 / cfpdfformparam name=expirationdate index=3 value=05/05/1955 / ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345809 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: loop timing out
What about running the task in a cfthread? I have some tasks that run on a schedule (or manually triggered) for an hour or two without issue... Rick -Original Message- From: William Seiter [mailto:will...@seiter.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:42 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: loop timing out Hey Daniel, In order to assist you, it would be helpful to see the code that has the loop as well as some knowledge of what the 'database call' is doing. (maybe the database call isn't returning?) The cfsetting that you mention, does only change the timeout setting for the page that it is set in. It does not change the master settings in the cfadmin, so it will not effect other pages on your website directly. (this is true from CF7 thru CF9, and I would expect any future version of CF as well) The issue that it appears that you are running into is two-fold. 1. how many 'actions' are you looping over combined with 2. how long does it take to complete each action. Setting up a 'grouped' plan to only run x of them is a valid assessment, but I would suggest that you do this by tracking which ones need to be redone outside of the page. An example would be, you could have each of the necessary redone's to show up in a database table, and mark them as completed once they are done. The you would just need to pull the oldest 5 of them each time you load the page. (this would mean the page would have to be loaded more often. The best solution for you, will probably come after you have posted some more information (the loop code and 'what' the action is doing) hope this helps, William -- William E. Seiter On Jun 27, 2011, daniel kessler dani...@umd.edu wrote: I'm creating a scheduled_task to correct a problem. For the correction, I'm doing a query for the list of problem records. Then I'm looping through the problem records and resending each one of them through the same code that it went through when it developed the problem. That code has several database updates. Unfortunately, I'm timing out of the cfloop. I don't have access to the page that I'm looping through, so I can't change it. Is there a way to let a loop have other transactions so that it doesn't time out? I thought of putting the loop in another loop, so that it only does 5 at a time, but then that's just a loop in a loop and then the outer one will time out. Did I state this clearly? A friend of mine suggested the line: cfsetting requestTimeOut = 120ââ¬Â I am told that this setting will only be persistent for that page and that the timeout will revert to it's previous setting once the page is done running. Is that correct? I was also concerned that when CF is upgraded (we're on CF7 for this app) that this setting might be trouble. Any thoughts? Overall, I'd like a different solution than this, something that will make the loop more acceptable. thank you for any assistance. daniel ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345810 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
The file has some restrictions, but seems to allow fill ins. You tried the exact code and none of the fields are populated? I tested with 9,0,1,274733 dev edition. -Leigh ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345811 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
Yes, I tried the exact code :-/ The file is being created but nothing is in the form fields. -Original Message- From: Leigh cfsearch...@yahoo.com To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Finding PDF form field names The file has some restrictions, but seems to allow fill ins. You tried the exact code and none of the fields are populated? I tested with 9,0,1,274733 dev edition. -Leigh ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345812 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
OK, hold the phone! I'm on a mac so I have been using Preview. Guess what... Preview doesn't show the stuff. I sent it to a co-worker who uses Acrobat Reader on his PC, THE INFO IS THERE. So, apparently that means Preview can't show the entered form field data... -Original Message- From: Ken Hammond khamm...@saleminc.com To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:51:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Finding PDF form field names Yes, I tried the exact code :-/ The file is being created but nothing is in the form fields. -Original Message- From: Leigh cfsearch...@yahoo.com To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Finding PDF form field names The file has some restrictions, but seems to allow fill ins. You tried the exact code and none of the fields are populated? I tested with 9,0,1,274733 dev edition. -Leigh ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345813 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
What version of CF? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345814 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
9,0,1,274733 -Original Message- From: Leigh cfsearch...@yahoo.com To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Finding PDF form field names What version of CF? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345815 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
Acrobat Reader on his PC, THE INFO IS THERE. So, apparently that means Preview can't show the entered form field data... I am officially out of my element with mac's : ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345816 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Finding PDF form field names
OK, hold the phone! I'm on a mac so I have been using Preview. Guess what... Preview doesn't show the stuff. I sent it to a co-worker who uses Acrobat Reader on his PC, THE INFO IS THERE. So, apparently that means Preview can't show the entered form field data... Right. Preview doesn't support most of the forms-based stuff that PDFs allow. You need your Mac users to install Adobe Reader for that functionality. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or ons ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345817 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: application.cfm
Thats what cfthrow and cfrethrow are for. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Claude Schnéegans schneeg...@internetique.com [mailto:=?ISO- 8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans schneegans@interneti=71?= =?ISO-8859- 1?Q?ue.com=3E?=] Sent: Monday, 27 June 2011 11:06 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: application.cfm Actually cfabort was introduced as a debugging tag. Really? Note that I use CFABORT because I was not sure CFCONTENT will cause processing to stop. It is not specified in the docs, but it does, so I could remove the CFABORT tag after CFCONTENT There is still a good reason for CFABORT: stop processing after displaying an error message in application.cfm. This is not debugging, but HTTP request validation. I have plenty of validation done in application.cfm. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345818 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Problem with pound signs
Times like this you have to love the revision control system, as well as Eclipse for this type of things. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2011 3:45 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Problem with pound signs Someone else mentioned that manually fixing would be boring and tedious. I agree with that but when one programmer decides to do a mass search and replace and totally destroys a code base, then management directs you to do it by hand. :( backup and restore? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345819 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm