Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
I'm afraid I missed any early complaints or discussions that caused Michael to feel we needed [CF-Talk] in the subject line at all. I use a Notes Client at work, so I have no sorting capabilities there at all and p--s poor filtering. I use Netscape at home, and my filters work fine on the To: and CC: lines. For me the [CF-Talk] is just unnecessary clutter, whether it's at the beginning or the end of the line. I would mention that it messes up sorting messages unless it's used absolutely consistently. Sometimes at the front and sometimes at the end causes a sort on Subject to fail. I don't bother with threading at all, since it tends to work poorly in my clients. If the issue is up for a vote, I vote an emphatic no. just my .02c Regards, --John -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
Consider switching to Outlook express. It lets you create folders and sort by from, to, cc, subject or body. Plus, it allows you to find things within folders by from, to, cc, subject or body, so if you want to search for "CFMAIL", for instance, it will find all messages that contain CFMAIL in the body or subject. Quite handy, not to mention the organization of having separate folders for each mailing list. I tried Netscape briefly, and couldn't see any advantage. Lotus notes has horrible email formatting. tom - Original Message - From: "John Allred" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines I'm afraid I missed any early complaints or discussions that caused Michael to feel we needed [CF-Talk] in the subject line at all. I use a Notes Client at work, so I have no sorting capabilities there at all and p--s poor filtering. I use Netscape at home, and my filters work fine on the To: and CC: lines. For me the [CF-Talk] is just unnecessary clutter, whether it's at the beginning or the end of the line. I would mention that it messes up sorting messages unless it's used absolutely consistently. Sometimes at the front and sometimes at the end causes a sort on Subject to fail. I don't bother with threading at all, since it tends to work poorly in my clients. If the issue is up for a vote, I vote an emphatic no. just my .02c Regards, --John -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
Tom, I beg to differ, just slightly. Except for sorting by To: and CC:, I don't see anything you mention that Netscape Mail can't do. Maybe if I'd been able to sort on those two fields before now, I might see some advantage to it. Other than that, I have folders and filters for everything, and I can sort and search every other field in a message. I wouldn't mention it except that you seem to indicate NS has limited functionality. Using it, I can filter all my lists, and zip through 500 messages or more in a very short while. I'm in full agreement on Notes client. The same batch of mail in Notes takes nearly 10 times as long (that's no exageration). The folks who designed it obviously never received more than 25 messages in a day or created more than three mail folders. --John tom muck tommuck@basic-druTo: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] mbeat.comcc: Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines 09/21/2000 09:05 AM Please respond to cf-talk Consider switching to Outlook express. It lets you create folders and sort by from, to, cc, subject or body. Plus, it allows you to find things within folders by from, to, cc, subject or body, so if you want to search for "CFMAIL", for instance, it will find all messages that contain CFMAIL in the body or subject. Quite handy, not to mention the organization of having separate folders for each mailing list. I tried Netscape briefly, and couldn't see any advantage. Lotus notes has horrible email formatting. tom - Original Message - From: "John Allred" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines I'm afraid I missed any early complaints or discussions that caused Michael to feel we needed [CF-Talk] in the subject line at all. I use a Notes Client at work, so I have no sorting capabilities there at all and p--s poor filtering. I use Netscape at home, and my filters work fine on the To: and CC: lines. For me the [CF-Talk] is just unnecessary clutter, whether it's at the beginning or the end of the line. I would mention that it messes up sorting messages unless it's used absolutely consistently. Sometimes at the front and sometimes at the end causes a sort on Subject to fail. I don't bother with threading at all, since it tends to work poorly in my clients. If the issue is up for a vote, I vote an emphatic no. just my .02c Regards, --John -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OE is much better than Netscape if you have different mailboxes which you want to send mail from using different from lines/sigs and you don't want to have to keep leaving the program and coming back in under a new profile, etc. OE's filtering is somewhat more capable in terms of options, though none of them hold a candle to procmail :) I've also found OE to be less crash prone and better with REALLY large mailboxes. Your mileage may vary. OE is also quite nice if you do strange things like dump your mailboxes to SQL servers and such. Less steps involved. It is undeniably better when it comes to handling IMAP and large volumes on IMAP. Use what you like, forget what you don't. That's my motto! c - -- Chris Lott [EMAIL PROTECTED]| IT Manager|p907-474-3494 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 for message encryption and authentication: USE PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x51046CFD iQA/AwUBOcqCr9aLYehRBGz9EQJj5wCcD9v/8U1xpntBEtvZJKMmcL04X2cAoPnb FK06rQbhcdsjjsNQRnARle8W =OYho -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
I'm never touching Outlook Express, for similar reasons to Jennifer. ;) tom muck wrote: Consider switching to Outlook express. It lets you create folders and sort by from, to, cc, subject or body. Plus, it allows you to find things within folders by from, to, cc, subject or body, so if you want to search for "CFMAIL", for instance, it will find all messages that contain CFMAIL in the body or subject. Quite handy, not to mention the organization of having separate folders for each mailing list. I tried Netscape briefly, and couldn't see any advantage. Lotus notes has horrible email formatting. tom - Original Message - From: "John Allred" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines I'm afraid I missed any early complaints or discussions that caused Michael to feel we needed [CF-Talk] in the subject line at all. I use a Notes Client at work, so I have no sorting capabilities there at all and p--s poor filtering. I use Netscape at home, and my filters work fine on the To: and CC: lines. For me the [CF-Talk] is just unnecessary clutter, whether it's at the beginning or the end of the line. I would mention that it messes up sorting messages unless it's used absolutely consistently. Sometimes at the front and sometimes at the end causes a sort on Subject to fail. I don't bother with threading at all, since it tends to work poorly in my clients. If the issue is up for a vote, I vote an emphatic no. just my .02c Regards, --John -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
I agree that the [CF-Talk] is annoying, useless in terms of content, and I really wish it were gone. I find it much easier to filter based on the address to which people are sending the mail. That way when someone emails me a private message in reply to something I sent to the mailing list, it doesn't disappear into the backlog of mailing list msgs that I have to get through. -- Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. Larry W. Virden mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.purl.org/NET/lvirden/ Even if explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting should be construed as representing my employer's opinions. -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
Actual putting them at the end serves no purpose. I would rather not have them at all instead of having them at the end. At the fron they are beneficial becuase they are all near the same place. At the end I have to look for it, why bother. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines This was an experiment based on many emails that I've received asking for it. On the whole, I don't like it and others seem not to as well. In the morning I'll switch over to having it at the end and see how that works. This should satisfy everyone. As usual, comments are appreciated. :) My point exactly. Not to gripe, or anything, but couldn't it be put at the END where it has less visual significance to the reader, but is still picked up by filters? How about it, M.D.? pan wrote: From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. Pan n.b. word to wise - if you try checking this new article subject line format with test messages (a time honored and sometimes necessary cf-talk 'feature' :) ) there is a problem child out there in readerland who will accuse you of rudeness and threaten to contact your "sys admin" - and she does it too with all of the same effectiveness as rope used for pushing a truck -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
It serves a purpose for thos wishing to sort mail based on the subject line... Howie - Original Message - From: "Robert Everland" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 8:40 AM Subject: RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines Actual putting them at the end serves no purpose. I would rather not have them at all instead of having them at the end. At the fron they are beneficial becuase they are all near the same place. At the end I have to look for it, why bother. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines This was an experiment based on many emails that I've received asking for it. On the whole, I don't like it and others seem not to as well. In the morning I'll switch over to having it at the end and see how that works. This should satisfy everyone. As usual, comments are appreciated. :) My point exactly. Not to gripe, or anything, but couldn't it be put at the END where it has less visual significance to the reader, but is still picked up by filters? How about it, M.D.? pan wrote: From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. Pan n.b. word to wise - if you try checking this new article subject line format with test messages (a time honored and sometimes necessary cf-talk 'feature' :) ) there is a problem child out there in readerland who will accuse you of rudeness and threaten to contact your "sys admin" - and she does it too with all of the same effectiveness as rope used for pushing a truck -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
Then why not put them at the front. If you're gonna sort by subject like it's just as easy to filter based on incoming email address. I would rather just not have them at all, because now I barely see [CF-TALK]. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 8:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines It serves a purpose for thos wishing to sort mail based on the subject line... Howie - Original Message - From: "Robert Everland" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 8:40 AM Subject: RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines Actual putting them at the end serves no purpose. I would rather not have them at all instead of having them at the end. At the fron they are beneficial becuase they are all near the same place. At the end I have to look for it, why bother. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines This was an experiment based on many emails that I've received asking for it. On the whole, I don't like it and others seem not to as well. In the morning I'll switch over to having it at the end and see how that works. This should satisfy everyone. As usual, comments are appreciated. :) My point exactly. Not to gripe, or anything, but couldn't it be put at the END where it has less visual significance to the reader, but is still picked up by filters? How about it, M.D.? pan wrote: From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. Pan n.b. word to wise - if you try checking this new article subject line format with test messages (a time honored and sometimes necessary cf-talk 'feature' :) ) there is a problem child out there in readerland who will accuse you of rudeness and threaten to contact your "sys admin" - and she does it too with all of the same effectiveness as rope used for pushing a truck -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
It's not as easy to filter based on incoming email address. I am doing that in at least two ways for each houseoffusion list that I'm on (one filter for ct-talk and one for cftalk because that does happen) and I still get messages that are unfiltered. Sometimes its because the person sending the message has sent it to several people and put the cf-talk address somewhere strange or made it undisclosed. Anything standard that can not be gotten around is helpful. I can filter based on subject line contains [CF-TALK] much more accurately than I can filter based on to or cc contains cf-talk or to or cc contains cftalk. At 09:12 AM 9/20/00 -0400, you wrote: Then why not put them at the front. If you're gonna sort by subject like it's just as easy to filter based on incoming email address. I would rather just not have them at all, because now I barely see [CF-TALK]. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 8:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines It serves a purpose for thos wishing to sort mail based on the subject line... Howie - Original Message - From: "Robert Everland" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 8:40 AM Subject: RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines Actual putting them at the end serves no purpose. I would rather not have them at all instead of having them at the end. At the fron they are beneficial becuase they are all near the same place. At the end I have to look for it, why bother. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines This was an experiment based on many emails that I've received asking for it. On the whole, I don't like it and others seem not to as well. In the morning I'll switch over to having it at the end and see how that works. This should satisfy everyone. As usual, comments are appreciated. :) My point exactly. Not to gripe, or anything, but couldn't it be put at the END where it has less visual significance to the reader, but is still picked up by filters? How about it, M.D.? pan wrote: From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. Pan n.b. word to wise - if you try checking this new article subject line format with test messages (a time honored and sometimes necessary cf-talk 'feature' :) ) there is a problem child out there in readerland who will accuse you of rudeness and threaten to contact your "sys admin" - and she does it too with all of the same effectiveness as rope used for pushing a truck -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.ma
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
From: "Jennifer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's not as easy to filter based on incoming email address. I am doing that in at least two ways for each houseoffusion list that I'm on (one filter for ct-talk and one for cftalk because that does happen) and I still get messages that are unfiltered. Sometimes its because the person sending the message has sent it to several people and put the cf-talk address somewhere strange or made it undisclosed. Anything standard that can not be gotten around is helpful. I can filter based on subject line contains [CF-TALK] much more accurately than I can filter based on to or cc contains cf-talk or to or cc contains cftalk. By filtering on subject line you can't distinguish list traffic from non-list traffic. By filtering to:/cc:/etc it is trivial to make that distinction work properly. It may not occur often, but the fact that a subject line that comprises [cf-talk] will always go to your list folder when, in fact, it may be communication that belongs (or was intended to be) off-list. People do send private exchanges in re cf-talk articles without changing the subject lines - forwarding, you know? Pan -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
In Outlook the [cf-talk] works well -- if there is the worry about off-topic messages being filtered, you can include in the rule an "except if sent directly to me". Dan -Original Message- From: pan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines From: "Jennifer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's not as easy to filter based on incoming email address. I am doing that in at least two ways for each houseoffusion list that I'm on (one filter for ct-talk and one for cftalk because that does happen) and I still get messages that are unfiltered. Sometimes its because the person sending the message has sent it to several people and put the cf-talk address somewhere strange or made it undisclosed. Anything standard that can not be gotten around is helpful. I can filter based on subject line contains [CF-TALK] much more accurately than I can filter based on to or cc contains cf-talk or to or cc contains cftalk. By filtering on subject line you can't distinguish list traffic from non-list traffic. By filtering to:/cc:/etc it is trivial to make that distinction work properly. It may not occur often, but the fact that a subject line that comprises [cf-talk] will always go to your list folder when, in fact, it may be communication that belongs (or was intended to be) off-list. People do send private exchanges in re cf-talk articles without changing the subject lines - forwarding, you know? Pan -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
but for mail filtering wouldn't the to: address be more effect for mail filtering? Unless you wanted to create the one address to handle distribution of profiled traffic. From: Dan Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:55:54 -0700 In Outlook the [cf-talk] works well -- if there is the worry about off-topic messages being filtered, you can include in the rule an "except if sent directly to me". Dan -Original Message- From: pan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines From: "Jennifer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's not as easy to filter based on incoming email address. I am doing that in at least two ways for each houseoffusion list that I'm on (one filter for ct-talk and one for cftalk because that does happen) and I still get messages that are unfiltered. Sometimes its because the person sending the message has sent it to several people and put the cf-talk address somewhere strange or made it undisclosed. Anything standard that can not be gotten around is helpful. I can filter based on subject line contains [CF-TALK] much more accurately than I can filter based on to or cc contains cf-talk or to or cc contains cftalk. By filtering on subject line you can't distinguish list traffic from non-list traffic. By filtering to:/cc:/etc it is trivial to make that distinction work properly. It may not occur often, but the fact that a subject line that comprises [cf-talk] will always go to your list folder when, in fact, it may be communication that belongs (or was intended to be) off-list. People do send private exchanges in re cf-talk articles without changing the subject lines - forwarding, you know? Pan -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
(... continuation of using the to: address for mail filtering ... and of course in my case ... the from address ... heh heh From: Dan Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:55:54 -0700 In Outlook the [cf-talk] works well -- if there is the worry about off-topic messages being filtered, you can include in the rule an "except if sent directly to me". Dan -Original Message- From: pan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines From: "Jennifer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's not as easy to filter based on incoming email address. I am doing that in at least two ways for each houseoffusion list that I'm on (one filter for ct-talk and one for cftalk because that does happen) and I still get messages that are unfiltered. Sometimes its because the person sending the message has sent it to several people and put the cf-talk address somewhere strange or made it undisclosed. Anything standard that can not be gotten around is helpful. I can filter based on subject line contains [CF-TALK] much more accurately than I can filter based on to or cc contains cf-talk or to or cc contains cftalk. By filtering on subject line you can't distinguish list traffic from non-list traffic. By filtering to:/cc:/etc it is trivial to make that distinction work properly. It may not occur often, but the fact that a subject line that comprises [cf-talk] will always go to your list folder when, in fact, it may be communication that belongs (or was intended to be) off-list. People do send private exchanges in re cf-talk articles without changing the subject lines - forwarding, you know? Pan -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
I would have thought that visual filtering is a little old-fashioned... ;) I can appreciate that people might want CF-Talk somewhere in the subject for filtering purposes in case the email address changes, or it comes from a different from address. However, isn't visual filtering just a wee bit pointless...? Robert Everland wrote: Actual putting them at the end serves no purpose. I would rather not have them at all instead of having them at the end. At the fron they are beneficial becuase they are all near the same place. At the end I have to look for it, why bother. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines This was an experiment based on many emails that I've received asking for it. On the whole, I don't like it and others seem not to as well. In the morning I'll switch over to having it at the end and see how that works. This should satisfy everyone. As usual, comments are appreciated. :) My point exactly. Not to gripe, or anything, but couldn't it be put at the END where it has less visual significance to the reader, but is still picked up by filters? How about it, M.D.? pan wrote: From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. Pan n.b. word to wise - if you try checking this new article subject line format with test messages (a time honored and sometimes necessary cf-talk 'feature' :) ) there is a problem child out there in readerland who will accuse you of rudeness and threaten to contact your "sys admin" - and she does it too with all of the same effectiveness as rope used for pushing a truck -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
Would a special header line for filtering be better for people? My results from this is that: prefix blocks the subject, obscures it and gets really monotonous suffix also makes the subject look bad and can be cut off in long subjects. I would have thought that visual filtering is a little old-fashioned... ;) I can appreciate that people might want CF-Talk somewhere in the subject for filtering purposes in case the email address changes, or it comes from a different from address. However, isn't visual filtering just a wee bit pointless...? Robert Everland wrote: Actual putting them at the end serves no purpose. I would rather not have them at all instead of having them at the end. At the fron they are beneficial becuase they are all near the same place. At the end I have to look for it, why bother. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines This was an experiment based on many emails that I've received asking for it. On the whole, I don't like it and others seem not to as well. In the morning I'll switch over to having it at the end and see how that works. This should satisfy everyone. As usual, comments are appreciated. :) My point exactly. Not to gripe, or anything, but couldn't it be put at the END where it has less visual significance to the reader, but is still picked up by filters? How about it, M.D.? pan wrote: From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. Pan n.b. word to wise - if you try checking this new article subject line format with test messages (a time honored and sometimes necessary cf-talk 'feature' :) ) there is a problem child out there in readerland who will accuse you of rudeness and threaten to contact your "sys admin" - and she does it too with all of the same effectiveness as rope used for pushing a truck -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
Some list servers alter the "To" field of the email to make it consistent. If the "To:" field always said "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" then filtering is a snap... Howie - Original Message - From: "Michael Dinowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines Would a special header line for filtering be better for people? My results from this is that: prefix blocks the subject, obscures it and gets really monotonous suffix also makes the subject look bad and can be cut off in long subjects. I would have thought that visual filtering is a little old-fashioned... ;) I can appreciate that people might want CF-Talk somewhere in the subject for filtering purposes in case the email address changes, or it comes from a different from address. However, isn't visual filtering just a wee bit pointless...? Robert Everland wrote: Actual putting them at the end serves no purpose. I would rather not have them at all instead of having them at the end. At the fron they are beneficial becuase they are all near the same place. At the end I have to look for it, why bother. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines This was an experiment based on many emails that I've received asking for it. On the whole, I don't like it and others seem not to as well. In the morning I'll switch over to having it at the end and see how that works. This should satisfy everyone. As usual, comments are appreciated. :) My point exactly. Not to gripe, or anything, but couldn't it be put at the END where it has less visual significance to the reader, but is still picked up by filters? How about it, M.D.? pan wrote: From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. Pan n.b. word to wise - if you try checking this new article subject line format with test messages (a time honored and sometimes necessary cf-talk 'feature' :) ) there is a problem child out there in readerland who will accuse you of rudeness and threaten to contact your "sys admin" - and she does it too with all of the same effectiveness as rope used for pushing a truck -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. --
RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01C02349.EE023722 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I prefer the [Cf-Talk] as the suffix. Robert -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 4:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines Would a special header line for filtering be better for people? My results from this is that: prefix blocks the subject, obscures it and gets really monotonous suffix also makes the subject look bad and can be cut off in long subjects. I would have thought that visual filtering is a little old-fashioned... ;) I can appreciate that people might want CF-Talk somewhere in the subject for filtering purposes in case the email address changes, or it comes from a different from address. However, isn't visual filtering just a wee bit pointless...? Robert Everland wrote: Actual putting them at the end serves no purpose. I would rather not have them at all instead of having them at the end. At the fron they are beneficial becuase they are all near the same place. At the end I have to look for it, why bother. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines This was an experiment based on many emails that I've received asking for it. On the whole, I don't like it and others seem not to as well. In the morning I'll switch over to having it at the end and see how that works. This should satisfy everyone. As usual, comments are appreciated. :) My point exactly. Not to gripe, or anything, but couldn't it be put at the END where it has less visual significance to the reader, but is still picked up by filters? How about it, M.D.? pan wrote: From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. Pan n.b. word to wise - if you try checking this new article subject line format with test messages (a time honored and sometimes necessary cf-talk 'feature' :) ) there is a problem child out there in readerland who will accuse you of rudeness and threaten to contact your "sys admin" - and she does it too with all of the same effectiveness as rope used for pushing a truck -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@hous
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
I would imagine that there is a problem with some email readers or this wouldn't be a topic but I use MS Outlook I have the filter set so if [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in the "TO" or the "CC" it dumps in the cf-talk folder. I have been on this list for about 3 weeks with no stray messages. I am also on a number of other list and I have set them up the same way and have had no problems with stray messages. So what is the big deal? jees! LOL! -Mark :o) - Original Message - From: Howie Hamlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines Some list servers alter the "To" field of the email to make it consistent. If the "To:" field always said "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" then filtering is a snap... Howie - Original Message - From: "Michael Dinowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines Would a special header line for filtering be better for people? My results from this is that: prefix blocks the subject, obscures it and gets really monotonous suffix also makes the subject look bad and can be cut off in long subjects. I would have thought that visual filtering is a little old-fashioned... ;) I can appreciate that people might want CF-Talk somewhere in the subject for filtering purposes in case the email address changes, or it comes from a different from address. However, isn't visual filtering just a wee bit pointless...? Robert Everland wrote: Actual putting them at the end serves no purpose. I would rather not have them at all instead of having them at the end. At the fron they are beneficial becuase they are all near the same place. At the end I have to look for it, why bother. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines This was an experiment based on many emails that I've received asking for it. On the whole, I don't like it and others seem not to as well. In the morning I'll switch over to having it at the end and see how that works. This should satisfy everyone. As usual, comments are appreciated. :) My point exactly. Not to gripe, or anything, but couldn't it be put at the END where it has less visual significance to the reader, but is still picked up by filters? How about it, M.D.? pan wrote: From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. Pan n.b. word to wise - if you try checking this new article subject line format with test messages (a time honored and sometimes necessary cf-talk 'feature' :) ) there is a problem child out there in readerland who will accuse you of rudeness and threaten to contact your "sys admin" - and she does it too with all of the same effectiveness as rope used for pushing a truck -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
Oo. That might be good. If the header said something unique to the header, I could set the filter to search "Any header" contains the phrase. The good things about [CF-TALK] are that it wouldn't be used anywhere else in the header and it would be consistent. I'm not sure if other email clients filter on "any header" though. Making the sender consistent would also be good. If the sender *always* said the same thing, filtering on the sender wouldn't be a problem. At 05:25 PM 9/20/00 -0400, you wrote: Would a special header line for filtering be better for people? My results from this is that: prefix blocks the subject, obscures it and gets really monotonous suffix also makes the subject look bad and can be cut off in long subjects. I would have thought that visual filtering is a little old-fashioned... ;) I can appreciate that people might want CF-Talk somewhere in the subject for filtering purposes in case the email address changes, or it comes from a different from address. However, isn't visual filtering just a wee bit pointless...? Robert Everland wrote: Actual putting them at the end serves no purpose. I would rather not have them at all instead of having them at the end. At the fron they are beneficial becuase they are all near the same place. At the end I have to look for it, why bother. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines This was an experiment based on many emails that I've received asking for it. On the whole, I don't like it and others seem not to as well. In the morning I'll switch over to having it at the end and see how that works. This should satisfy everyone. As usual, comments are appreciated. :) My point exactly. Not to gripe, or anything, but couldn't it be put at the END where it has less visual significance to the reader, but is still picked up by filters? How about it, M.D.? pan wrote: From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. Pan n.b. word to wise - if you try checking this new article subject line format with test messages (a time honored and sometimes necessary cf-talk 'feature' :) ) there is a problem child out there in readerland who will accuse you of rudeness and threaten to contact your "sys admin" - and she does it too with all of the same effectiveness as rope used for pushing a truck -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message t
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
I've tried that setting, but as I've mentioned before, sometimes people send mail to cftalk instead of cf-talk. The mail goes through but it gets sent to my main box, where I have to open it up and look at the header to sort manually. (I'm on more than one ColdFusion list, so I can't accurately go by the subject line or the message body.) This also happens when somebody sends a message to a list designated in their email address book. So, lets say I have I am on three coldfusion help lists and I set up an alias in my address book that is called "CF-Help" and I use that as the address when I need to help really fast and want to send to all three lists. This can change the to address to "CF-Help" depending on my email settings and the CC address isn't being used. So your filter has just failed. I get messages like this and they end up in my default mail folder, so if I don't sort them by hand, when I go to the CF-Talk mail folder the message is missing from the thread. What would be really nice is if my email client at work had a filter by Reply-to, but it doesn't. Netscape mail does and I use that at home, but that filter fails sometimes too, again depending on the sender's email settings. I don't really complain about it much because it isn't a huge problem to look at the header, but it *would* be better if I never had to do that. You see, not everyone is willing to use the most insecure email client in existence, which would be Outlook. I've never sent someone a virus and I like it that way. ;) At 02:35 PM 9/20/00 -0700, you wrote: I would imagine that there is a problem with some email readers or this wouldn't be a topic but I use MS Outlook I have the filter set so if [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in the "TO" or the "CC" it dumps in the cf-talk folder. I have been on this list for about 3 weeks with no stray messages. I am also on a number of other list and I have set them up the same way and have had no problems with stray messages. So what is the big deal? jees! LOL! -Mark :o) - Original Message - From: Howie Hamlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines Some list servers alter the "To" field of the email to make it consistent. If the "To:" field always said "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" then filtering is a snap... Howie - Original Message - From: "Michael Dinowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines Would a special header line for filtering be better for people? My results from this is that: prefix blocks the subject, obscures it and gets really monotonous suffix also makes the subject look bad and can be cut off in long subjects. I would have thought that visual filtering is a little old-fashioned... ;) I can appreciate that people might want CF-Talk somewhere in the subject for filtering purposes in case the email address changes, or it comes from a different from address. However, isn't visual filtering just a wee bit pointless...? Robert Everland wrote: Actual putting them at the end serves no purpose. I would rather not have them at all instead of having them at the end. At the fron they are beneficial becuase they are all near the same place. At the end I have to look for it, why bother. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines This was an experiment based on many emails that I've received asking for it. On the whole, I don't like it and others seem not to as well. In the morning I'll switch over to having it at the end and see how that works. This should satisfy everyone. As usual, comments are appreciated. :) My point exactly. Not to gripe, or anything, but couldn't it be put at the END where it has less visual significance to the reader, but is still picked up by filters? How about it, M.D.? pan wrote: From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF
[CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Regards, David Cummins Systems Developer Ubiquity Software Ltd. Ph: (09) 309-1921 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
At 09:10 AM 9/20/00 +1200, you wrote: Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? I'm sure this is so people will know where the messages are coming from, in case they are subscribed to multiple lists. This helps me a lot when my filters fail to catch a message. When they do fail I have to open the message and read it to determine which folder it is supposed to be in. Now I don't have to do that. I like it. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Hey, you did it too! It's contagious! :) Seriously, many listservers allow a modification of the subject line to indicate the list title. I like seeing [CF-Talk] in the subject, personally, as I subscribe to many cf-related lists and it helps keep them all straight in my head. Good job, M.D. -Ron -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. Pan n.b. word to wise - if you try checking this new article subject line format with test messages (a time honored and sometimes necessary cf-talk 'feature' :) ) there is a problem child out there in readerland who will accuse you of rudeness and threaten to contact your "sys admin" - and she does it too with all of the same effectiveness as rope used for pushing a truck -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
It helps write consistent filters (a few slip into my mailbox without this in the subject line always G) and most other lists do this type of thing. :) -Original Message- From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines It is a common practice on most list servers. It makes it easier for people to filter messages in email programs. At 09:10 AM 9/20/00 +1200, you wrote: Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Regards, David Cummins Systems Developer Ubiquity Software Ltd. Ph: (09) 309-1921 --- --- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
on 20/9/2000 10:09 AM, pan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. I also find the new addition to the subject line redundant and annoying. Don't you guys/gals use mail filters? I'm subscribed to several high-volume lists (this one included) and there's no way I could remain sane without filtering. The [CF-Talk] in the subject line just makes it that much harder to read the subject lines. If people want to add things to their subject lines to assist in sorting mail, let them do it in their mail client. Rob Keniger [EMAIL PROTECTED] big bang solutions http://www.bigbang.net.au p +61 7 3311 2733 f +61 7 3311 2744 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
My point exactly. Not to gripe, or anything, but couldn't it be put at the END where it has less visual significance to the reader, but is still picked up by filters? How about it, M.D.? pan wrote: From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. Pan n.b. word to wise - if you try checking this new article subject line format with test messages (a time honored and sometimes necessary cf-talk 'feature' :) ) there is a problem child out there in readerland who will accuse you of rudeness and threaten to contact your "sys admin" - and she does it too with all of the same effectiveness as rope used for pushing a truck -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
Also not everyone uses filters. So I know I subscribed before to CF-Talk, CF-Community, CF-Fusebox and I couldn't tell which came from where. I don't get much mail and check it constantly and don't need nor want to filter it. It's not a big deal almost all other lists I have been on do this. Bob Everland -Original Message- From: Rob Keniger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines on 20/9/2000 10:09 AM, pan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. I also find the new addition to the subject line redundant and annoying. Don't you guys/gals use mail filters? I'm subscribed to several high-volume lists (this one included) and there's no way I could remain sane without filtering. The [CF-Talk] in the subject line just makes it that much harder to read the subject lines. If people want to add things to their subject lines to assist in sorting mail, let them do it in their mail client. Rob Keniger [EMAIL PROTECTED] big bang solutions http://www.bigbang.net.au p +61 7 3311 2733 f +61 7 3311 2744 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
This was an experiment based on many emails that I've received asking for it. On the whole, I don't like it and others seem not to as well. In the morning I'll switch over to having it at the end and see how that works. This should satisfy everyone. As usual, comments are appreciated. :) My point exactly. Not to gripe, or anything, but couldn't it be put at the END where it has less visual significance to the reader, but is still picked up by filters? How about it, M.D.? pan wrote: From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. Pan n.b. word to wise - if you try checking this new article subject line format with test messages (a time honored and sometimes necessary cf-talk 'feature' :) ) there is a problem child out there in readerland who will accuse you of rudeness and threaten to contact your "sys admin" - and she does it too with all of the same effectiveness as rope used for pushing a truck -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines
Yes, having it on the end is a good compromise. Outta site Outta mind! -Mark :o) - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] OT: Subject lines This was an experiment based on many emails that I've received asking for it. On the whole, I don't like it and others seem not to as well. In the morning I'll switch over to having it at the end and see how that works. This should satisfy everyone. As usual, comments are appreciated. :) My point exactly. Not to gripe, or anything, but couldn't it be put at the END where it has less visual significance to the reader, but is still picked up by filters? How about it, M.D.? pan wrote: From: "David Cummins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, How come I'm receiving all this mail with subject lines starting with "[CF-Talk]"? Is this a new list policy? Its just that it adds little information content, and means I'm less likely to see enough of the real subject line to be bothered opening the email. I mean it would be OK if it was something informative like [SQL] or [CFLOCK] or something, but [CF-Talk]? Agreed - this particular tag '[CF-Talk]' makes the subject line hard to read. The list of current subject headers take on a numbing sameness when ALL are prefixed witht the same tag. Pan n.b. word to wise - if you try checking this new article subject line format with test messages (a time honored and sometimes necessary cf-talk 'feature' :) ) there is a problem child out there in readerland who will accuse you of rudeness and threaten to contact your "sys admin" - and she does it too with all of the same effectiveness as rope used for pushing a truck -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
