Re: CFScript Book

[Aaron Rouse]

You might be surprised at how many people I come across in the industry who
are making a good solid living writing CF apps but barely can write CSS,
HTML, JavaScript and really even much in regards to SQL.  Quite often
though they are using some sort of CF "framework" or other "core" tool that
a more advanced group of CF people developed.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Scott Brady  wrote:

>
> Right. I was talking about why _I_ generally don't like cfscript.
>
> But, honestly, if they don't really know how to do anything in javascript,
> then I'm not sure what they're doing writing CFML (or any web application
> development language).
>
> Scott
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Aaron Rouse 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > The people I was referring to I am certain do not know how to write
> > anything or much of anything in JavaScript.  So it is not a matter of
> > CFScript confusing them into thinking it is JavaScript.
> >
> >
> > --
> -
> Scott Brady
> http://www.scottbrady.net/
>
>
> 

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Re: CFScript Book

[Scott Brady]

Right. I was talking about why _I_ generally don't like cfscript.

But, honestly, if they don't really know how to do anything in javascript,
then I'm not sure what they're doing writing CFML (or any web application
development language).

Scott

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Aaron Rouse  wrote:

>
> The people I was referring to I am certain do not know how to write
> anything or much of anything in JavaScript.  So it is not a matter of
> CFScript confusing them into thinking it is JavaScript.
>
>
> --
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Re: CFScript Book

[Aaron Rouse]

The people I was referring to I am certain do not know how to write
anything or much of anything in JavaScript.  So it is not a matter of
CFScript confusing them into thinking it is JavaScript.

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Scott Brady  wrote:

>
> My main issue with cfscript is that it's easy to confuse at first glance
> between that and javascript (for cases when you have JS mixed in with CF
> code, as the legacy app I work on at work has).  So, it's not really
> cfscript's fault as much as a personal bugaboo.
>
> Scott
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Aaron Rouse 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have worked with CF developers who "scoff at" any CFScript usage but
> for
> > reasons most would not assume.  They did it because they flat out did not
> > understand the syntax and I am not referring to some abundant overuse of
> > CFScript here.  It can sometimes be a balancing act of coding how you
> want
> > and/or think you should v. staying employed and making some adjustments
> so
> > others stay "happy".
> >
> > --
> -
> Scott Brady
> http://www.scottbrady.net/
>
>
> 

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Re: CFScript Book

[James Holmes]

Well, nobody's better off writing in Java, but C# would be an alternative.

On Wednesday, February 22, 2012, Russ Michaels wrote:

>
> cfscript to many defeats the who point of why they chose cf in the first
> place, because it was a html like easy to learn tag based language.
> When you go down the route of doing all your code in script, using OOP
> style coding, then surely you would just be better off writing directly in
> JAVA ?
>
>
>
>

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Re: CFScript Book

[Russ Michaels]

cfscript to many defeats the who point of why they chose cf in the first
place, because it was a html like easy to learn tag based language.
When you go down the route of doing all your code in script, using OOP
style coding, then surely you would just be better off writing directly in
JAVA ?


On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Scott Brady  wrote:

>
> My main issue with cfscript is that it's easy to confuse at first glance
> between that and javascript (for cases when you have JS mixed in with CF
> code, as the legacy app I work on at work has).  So, it's not really
> cfscript's fault as much as a personal bugaboo.
>
> Scott
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Aaron Rouse 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have worked with CF developers who "scoff at" any CFScript usage but
> for
> > reasons most would not assume.  They did it because they flat out did not
> > understand the syntax and I am not referring to some abundant overuse of
> > CFScript here.  It can sometimes be a balancing act of coding how you
> want
> > and/or think you should v. staying employed and making some adjustments
> so
> > others stay "happy".
> >
> > --
> -
> Scott Brady
> http://www.scottbrady.net/
>
>
> 

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Re: CFScript Book

[Scott Brady]

My main issue with cfscript is that it's easy to confuse at first glance
between that and javascript (for cases when you have JS mixed in with CF
code, as the legacy app I work on at work has).  So, it's not really
cfscript's fault as much as a personal bugaboo.

Scott

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Aaron Rouse  wrote:

>
> I have worked with CF developers who "scoff at" any CFScript usage but for
> reasons most would not assume.  They did it because they flat out did not
> understand the syntax and I am not referring to some abundant overuse of
> CFScript here.  It can sometimes be a balancing act of coding how you want
> and/or think you should v. staying employed and making some adjustments so
> others stay "happy".
>
> --
-
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Re: CFScript Book

[Billy Cravens]

This "publisher" releases something like 10,000+ titles a year: they scrape 
Wikipedia content and sell it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDM_Publishing


Billy Cravens
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On Feb 21, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Carl Von Stetten wrote:

> 
> Yeah, or how about the red seal on the cover that says "High Quality 
> Content by WIKIPEDIA articles!"? LOL :-D
> 
> On 2/21/2012 11:04 AM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades wrote:
>> You mean I should write a book on CFScript? Fantastic?
>> 
>> "Betascript Publishing" hhhm...
>> 
>> Anyone notice the tagline states:
>> ColdFusion Markup Language, JavaScript, BlogCFC
>> 
>> Now THAT is interesting...
>> 
>> Steve 'Cutter' Blades
>> Adobe Community Professional
>> Adobe Certified Expert
>> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>> 
>> http://cutterscrossing.com
>> 
>> 
>> Co-Author "Learning Ext JS 3.2" Packt Publishing 2010
>> https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book
>> 
>> "The best way to predict the future is to help create it"
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/20/2012 10:48 AM, Robert Rhodes wrote:
>>> Hello to all.
>>> 
>>> Are there any CFScript books out there?  I ordered this onw but it was a
>>> complete joke.  A total waste of money:
>>> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/cfscript-lambert-m-surhone/1026883099.
>>> 
>>> All suggestions welcome.
>>> 
>>> -RR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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Re: CFScript Book

[Carl Von Stetten]

Yeah, or how about the red seal on the cover that says "High Quality 
Content by WIKIPEDIA articles!"? LOL :-D

On 2/21/2012 11:04 AM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades wrote:
> You mean I should write a book on CFScript? Fantastic?
>
> "Betascript Publishing" hhhm...
>
> Anyone notice the tagline states:
> ColdFusion Markup Language, JavaScript, BlogCFC
>
> Now THAT is interesting...
>
> Steve 'Cutter' Blades
> Adobe Community Professional
> Adobe Certified Expert
> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
> 
> http://cutterscrossing.com
>
>
> Co-Author "Learning Ext JS 3.2" Packt Publishing 2010
> https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book
>
> "The best way to predict the future is to help create it"
>
>
> On 2/20/2012 10:48 AM, Robert Rhodes wrote:
>> Hello to all.
>>
>> Are there any CFScript books out there?  I ordered this onw but it was a
>> complete joke.  A total waste of money:
>> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/cfscript-lambert-m-surhone/1026883099.
>>
>> All suggestions welcome.
>>
>> -RR
>>
>>
>>
> 

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Re: CFScript Book

[Steve 'Cutter' Blades]

You mean I should write a book on CFScript? Fantastic?

"Betascript Publishing" hhhm...

Anyone notice the tagline states:
ColdFusion Markup Language, JavaScript, BlogCFC

Now THAT is interesting...

Steve 'Cutter' Blades
Adobe Community Professional
Adobe Certified Expert
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer

http://cutterscrossing.com


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"The best way to predict the future is to help create it"


On 2/20/2012 10:48 AM, Robert Rhodes wrote:
> Hello to all.
>
> Are there any CFScript books out there?  I ordered this onw but it was a
> complete joke.  A total waste of money:
> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/cfscript-lambert-m-surhone/1026883099.
>
> All suggestions welcome.
>
> -RR
>
>
> 

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Re: CFScript Book

[Aaron Rouse]

I have worked with CF developers who "scoff at" any CFScript usage but for
reasons most would not assume.  They did it because they flat out did not
understand the syntax and I am not referring to some abundant overuse of
CFScript here.  It can sometimes be a balancing act of coding how you want
and/or think you should v. staying employed and making some adjustments so
others stay "happy".

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:

>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Robert Rhodes 
> wrote:
>
> > I do wish Adobe would fill out CF so that one could write mostly in
> > cfscript and avoid cf tags altogether, if desired.  It would also help
> when
> > I end up around small-minded coders who scoff at CF merely because of the
> > tags.
>
>
> I've never changed my coding style to make a non-CF developer happy, seems
> a waste of time. If you prefer it, that's one thing, but you should never
> measure your own self worth by comments made by someone ignorant of the
> language.
>
> -Cameron
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Re: CFScript Book

[Cameron Childress]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Robert Rhodes  wrote:

> I do wish Adobe would fill out CF so that one could write mostly in
> cfscript and avoid cf tags altogether, if desired.  It would also help when
> I end up around small-minded coders who scoff at CF merely because of the
> tags.


I've never changed my coding style to make a non-CF developer happy, seems
a waste of time. If you prefer it, that's one thing, but you should never
measure your own self worth by comments made by someone ignorant of the
language.

-Cameron

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Re: CFScript Book

[Aaron Rouse]

Agreed and someone could always write themselves some custom functions as
wrappers to CF tags for prior versions CF or perhaps even what is missing
in the current.  To a point at least.  I have been a CFScript Nazi for well
over a decade now but fully recognize a place for it and a place for when
to use the tags. I very rarely use it for outputting things and can't say I
really have had a need for much of the added tags-to-functions introduced
in CF9.  We though have many pre-CF9 servers so also does not make too much
sense for me to write anything specific to CF9.


On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Scott Brady  wrote:

>
> As of CF9, the vast majority of CF can be written in script, if you
> desire.  Almost every tag has a cfscript equivalent (I believe there were a
> few that didn't make the cut, but I can't recall which ones off-hand).  Of
> course, some things are a bit more tedious doing them in script (such as
> outputting content and running queries).
>
> Scott
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Robert Rhodes 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I do wish Adobe would fill out CF so that one could write mostly in
> > cfscript and avoid cf tags altogether, if desired.  It would also help
> when
> > I end up around small-minded coders who scoff at CF merely because of the
> > tags.On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Cameron Childress <
> >
> >
>
> --
> -
> Scott Brady
> http://www.scottbrady.net/
>
>
> 

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Re: CFScript Book

[Scott Brady]

As of CF9, the vast majority of CF can be written in script, if you
desire.  Almost every tag has a cfscript equivalent (I believe there were a
few that didn't make the cut, but I can't recall which ones off-hand).  Of
course, some things are a bit more tedious doing them in script (such as
outputting content and running queries).

Scott


On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Robert Rhodes  wrote:

>
> I do wish Adobe would fill out CF so that one could write mostly in
> cfscript and avoid cf tags altogether, if desired.  It would also help when
> I end up around small-minded coders who scoff at CF merely because of the
> tags.On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Cameron Childress <
>
>

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Re: CFScript Book

[Robert Rhodes]

Hi Cameron.  I know CF very well. I been coding in it for many years.  But,
I admit, I am a little tagged out.

Cfscript feels more elegant, and as I learn more and more javascript, it
seems a natural time to try to get completely up to speed on cfscript.

I do wish Adobe would fill out CF so that one could write mostly in
cfscript and avoid cf tags altogether, if desired.  It would also help when
I end up around small-minded coders who scoff at CF merely because of the
tags.

Yes, I have answers for those types, like how I can produce the same apps
they can, but in 1/3 the time, or how Adobe puts a lot of development into
the language, which gets us big upgrades every few years -- or how we can
get a live body on the phone when we need one.

But still, I really want to be a cfscripter, and I am looking for a path to
make that happen.  There must be at least a few chapters in some book out
there somewhere, no?

Pete, thank you very much for the cheat sheet. That will come in handy.

-RR

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:

>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Robert Rhodes 
> wrote:
>
> > Are there any CFScript books out there?  I ordered this onw but it was a
> > complete joke.  A total waste of money:
> > http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/cfscript-lambert-m-surhone/1026883099.
> >
>
> Is there a reason you want to only learn CFScript?  The CFML language has
> so many tags and many ways of doing things.  Learning only CFScript may not
> serve you well. Attempting to use "all tags" or "all script" is probably
> not the best goal IMHO.
>
> Having said that, the Adobe docs are a good starting point for learning
> CFScript, but if you want more than that I'd look at a "regular ole CF
> Book" like CFWACK, and then look for a CFScript equivalent for what you're
> doing if you really need/want one.
>
> -Cameron
>
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Re: CFScript Book

[Pete Freitag]

For what its worth I have a cfscript cheatsheet here:
http://www.petefreitag.com/cheatsheets/coldfusion/cfscript/

It lists much but certainly not all of what you need to know to use
cfscript. Feedback, suggestions welcome.

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On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:

>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Robert Rhodes 
> wrote:
>
> > Are there any CFScript books out there?  I ordered this onw but it was a
> > complete joke.  A total waste of money:
> > http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/cfscript-lambert-m-surhone/1026883099.
> >
>
> Is there a reason you want to only learn CFScript?  The CFML language has
> so many tags and many ways of doing things.  Learning only CFScript may not
> serve you well. Attempting to use "all tags" or "all script" is probably
> not the best goal IMHO.
>
> Having said that, the Adobe docs are a good starting point for learning
> CFScript, but if you want more than that I'd look at a "regular ole CF
> Book" like CFWACK, and then look for a CFScript equivalent for what you're
> doing if you really need/want one.
>
> -Cameron
>
> --
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Re: CFScript Book

[Cameron Childress]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Robert Rhodes  wrote:

> Are there any CFScript books out there?  I ordered this onw but it was a
> complete joke.  A total waste of money:
> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/cfscript-lambert-m-surhone/1026883099.
>

Is there a reason you want to only learn CFScript?  The CFML language has
so many tags and many ways of doing things.  Learning only CFScript may not
serve you well. Attempting to use "all tags" or "all script" is probably
not the best goal IMHO.

Having said that, the Adobe docs are a good starting point for learning
CFScript, but if you want more than that I'd look at a "regular ole CF
Book" like CFWACK, and then look for a CFScript equivalent for what you're
doing if you really need/want one.

-Cameron

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CFScript Book

[Robert Rhodes]

Hello to all.

Are there any CFScript books out there?  I ordered this onw but it was a
complete joke.  A total waste of money:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/cfscript-lambert-m-surhone/1026883099.

All suggestions welcome.

-RR


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RE: cfscript book

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Todd,

Would it be safe to say that the underlying code generated by a CFSCRIPT
block on CFMX would be virutally the same as code compiled using tag syntax?

-mk

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To: CF-Talk
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Just becareful with mimicing cfinclude.  I would hestitate to say that
cfscript block would bring you any performance gains under CFMX due to the
compiling.

Do your own speed test:

test.cfm:







#end# - #begin# = #total#

test1.cfm:

begin = getTickCount();
finalIndx = 0;
for(indx=1;indx LTE 100; indx=indx+1){
finalIndx = incrementValue(finalIndx);
}
end = getTickCount();
total = end - begin;
writeoutput(end & "-" & begin & "=" & end);


test.cfm results: 2107909460 - 2107909460 = 0
test1.cfm results: 2107965773-2107965773=0

Not that this is an accurate test, but ... where's the gain in cfscript?
In the above case, you'll see that the regular  were somewhat faster
than the cfscript block.

~Todd


On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Pete Ruckelshaus wrote:

> Personally, I prefer using CFScript over "regular" CF when I can use it.
> First, it's much easier to set a bunch of variables inside a CFScript
block
> (IMO).  Second, I find it easier to "read" CFScript logic blocks.
Finally,
> it IS faster when you do something beyond very basic stuff, and (again,
IMO)
> it makes for a more compact page of code.  Add to that a bunch of _GREAT_
> UDF's in CFLIB (http://www.cflib.org/) and you CAN actually mimic the
> functionality of a good number of regular CF tags.
>
> Pete
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:57 PM
> Subject: RE: cfscript book
>
>
> > now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really that good to
> > use?
> > or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much performance
> > difference
> >
> > ..tony

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Re: cfscript book

[Pete Ruckelshaus]

Personally, I prefer using CFScript over "regular" CF when I can use it.
First, it's much easier to set a bunch of variables inside a CFScript block
(IMO).  Second, I find it easier to "read" CFScript logic blocks.  Finally,
it IS faster when you do something beyond very basic stuff, and (again, IMO)
it makes for a more compact page of code.  Add to that a bunch of _GREAT_
UDF's in CFLIB (http://www.cflib.org/) and you CAN actually mimic the
functionality of a good number of regular CF tags.

Pete

- Original Message -
From: "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: cfscript book


> now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really that good to
> use?
> or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much performance
> difference
>
> ..tony
>

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RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)

[Ben Doom]

Um.  I think that you have pretty much hit on the definition of a UDF --
it's a user defined function.  Functions are called with parameters and
return a result (unless you write them wrong, in which case they hang :-).

And yes, you could use an include file repeatedly for this.  However, I
prefer syntax like:

#TrimToWord(query.textfield, 500)#

to:





Of course, you could also write this as a custom tag.  You could put a
snippet in your library and just edit what variables it works on.  There are
a half-dozen ways to do similar things, I'm sure.  I guess it's all in the
way you think and what makes the most sense to you.


  --Ben Doom
Programmer & General Lackey
Moonbow Software

: -Original Message-
: From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net]
: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:53 PM
: To: CF-Talk
: Subject: RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)
:
:
: but isnt an included file,
: with some reusable code in it
: just as fast as a UDF? I guess maybe the only
: reason not would be the time to access the file
: referenced in the cfinclude tagright?
:
: and really, couldn't it be said that a UDF is some bit
: of code, waiting for some inputted data to act upon, that then
: returns a desired result (or non-desired sometimes!!!)
:
: just wondering
:
: ..tony
:
: Tony Weeg
: Senior Web Developer
: Information System Design
: Navtrak, Inc.
: Fleet Management Solutions
: www.navtrak.net
: 410.548.2337
:
:
: -Original Message-
: From: Ben Doom [mailto:bdoom@;moonbow.com]
: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:39 PM
: To: CF-Talk
: Subject: RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)
:
:
: I would tend to argue that you should at least know the basics so that
: you
: can create quick UDFs for things you do often -- that's saved me hours
: and
: hours of coding time.
:
: They are easy to write, use, and (often important around here) I can
: write
: one and give it to my boss for him to use.  :-)
:
:   --Ben Doom
: Programmer & General Lackey
: Moonbow Software
:
: : -Original Message-
: : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net]
: : Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:29 PM
: : To: CF-Talk
: : Subject: RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)
: :
: :
: : it certainly helpsthanks for the infoalthough
: : I am sure there will be a flood of opinions on this, so that's
: : really why I started the thread
: :
: : should any of us who don't already know, bother learning that way of
: : coding for cf?
: :
: : ..tony
: :
: : Tony Weeg
: : Senior Web Developer
: : Information System Design
: : Navtrak, Inc.
: : Fleet Management Solutions
: : www.navtrak.net
: : 410.548.2337
: :
: :
: : -Original Message-
: : From: Fitch, Tyler [mailto:tfitch@;isitedesign.com]
: : Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:21 PM
: : To: CF-Talk
: : Subject: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)
: :
: :
: : Tony,
: :
: : Pre CFMX using a block of cfscript to set some variables or perform
: most
: : tasks would give you an increase in performance.  Now with MX if you
: : have a block of cfscript and set 10 variables compared to 10 
: : tags the only difference would be the white space between the 
: : tags.
: :
: : HTH,
: :
: : t
: :
: : **
: : Tyler M. Fitch
: : Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
: : http://isitedesign.com
: : **
: :
: : -Original Message-
: : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net]
: : Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:57 PM
: : To: CF-Talk
: : Subject: RE: cfscript book
: :
: :
: : now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really that good
: to
: : use? or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much
: : performance difference
: :
: : tony
: :
: : Tony Weeg
: : Senior Web Developer
: : Information System Design
: : Navtrak, Inc.
: : Fleet Management Solutions
: : www.navtrak.net
: : 410.548.2337
: :
: :
: :
: :
:
: 
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RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)

[Matthew Walker]

Functions are a key concept in most programming languages. They are
black boxes where you insert some data, pull the lever, and get a
result.  That is not the same as an include as they are much more
structured. Structure means you can share the code more easily with
other developers (cflib.org), or inside your organisation. It also means
when you come back to it in 12 months time, you can still use the UDF
even though you've forgotten how you wrote it. 

Aside from portability and reusability, they are often easier to insert
into code. It's the difference between:



#factorial#

and

#factorial(5)#

Aside from the second being easier to write, you don't have to play
"guess the variable name"

Matthew Walker
http://www.matthewwalker.net.nz/



> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 10:53 a.m.
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)
> 
> 
> but isnt an included file, 
> with some reusable code in it
> just as fast as a UDF? I guess maybe the only
> reason not would be the time to access the file
> referenced in the cfinclude tagright?
> 
> and really, couldn't it be said that a UDF is some bit
> of code, waiting for some inputted data to act upon, that then
> returns a desired result (or non-desired sometimes!!!) 
> 
> just wondering
> 
> ..tony
> 
> Tony Weeg
> Senior Web Developer
> Information System Design
> Navtrak, Inc.
> Fleet Management Solutions
> www.navtrak.net
> 410.548.2337 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Doom [mailto:bdoom@;moonbow.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:39 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)
> 
> 
> I would tend to argue that you should at least know the basics so that
> you
> can create quick UDFs for things you do often -- that's saved me hours
> and
> hours of coding time.
> 
> They are easy to write, use, and (often important around here) I can
> write
> one and give it to my boss for him to use.  :-)
> 
>   --Ben Doom
> Programmer & General Lackey
> Moonbow Software
> 
> : -Original Message-
> : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net]
> : Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:29 PM
> : To: CF-Talk
> : Subject: RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)
> :
> :
> : it certainly helpsthanks for the infoalthough
> : I am sure there will be a flood of opinions on this, so that's
> : really why I started the thread
> :
> : should any of us who don't already know, bother learning that way of
> : coding for cf?
> :
> : ..tony
> :
> : Tony Weeg
> : Senior Web Developer
> : Information System Design
> : Navtrak, Inc.
> : Fleet Management Solutions
> : www.navtrak.net
> : 410.548.2337
> :
> :
> : -Original Message-
> : From: Fitch, Tyler [mailto:tfitch@;isitedesign.com]
> : Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:21 PM
> : To: CF-Talk
> : Subject: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)
> :
> :
> : Tony,
> :
> : Pre CFMX using a block of cfscript to set some variables or perform
> most
> : tasks would give you an increase in performance.  Now with MX if you
> : have a block of cfscript and set 10 variables compared to 10 
> : tags the only difference would be the white space between 
> the 
> : tags.
> :
> : HTH,
> :
> : t
> :
> : 
> **
> : Tyler M. Fitch
> : Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
> : http://isitedesign.com
> : 
> **
> :
> : -Original Message-
> : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net]
> : Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:57 PM
> : To: CF-Talk
> : Subject: RE: cfscript book
> :
> :
> : now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really that good
> to
> : use? or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much
> : performance difference
> :
> : tony
> :
> : Tony Weeg
> : Senior Web Developer
> : Information System Design
> : Navtrak, Inc.
> : Fleet Management Solutions
> : www.navtrak.net
> : 410.548.2337
> :
> :
> :
> : 
> 
> 
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RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)

[Tony Weeg]

rob

thats where my end goal resides...i want
to learn to write ecma - based scripting...i can
read it all day long, and figure out whats going on...i just
want to be able to it as fast and furious as I can code
cf logic currently.

its all about making tony worth more $$$

..tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337 


-Original Message-
From: Rob Rohan [mailto:rob@;cardinalweb.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)


IMO it is a more advanced way to code - and it looks prettier. Again
this is
just my opinion. You don't have to type < > as much, and if you have the
urge to learn a lower level language (C, C++, Java) it'll feel more
comfortable if you are used to that type of syntax.

Other than that - none that I can think of.


-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)


it certainly helpsthanks for the infoalthough
I am sure there will be a flood of opinions on this, so that's
really why I started the thread

should any of us who don't already know, bother learning that way of
coding for cf?

tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337


-Original Message-
From: Fitch, Tyler [mailto:tfitch@;isitedesign.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)


Tony,

Pre CFMX using a block of cfscript to set some variables or perform most
tasks would give you an increase in performance.  Now with MX if you
have a block of cfscript and set 10 variables compared to 10 
tags the only difference would be the white space between the 
tags.

HTH,

t

**
Tyler M. Fitch
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
http://isitedesign.com
**

-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfscript book


now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really that good to
use? or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much
performance difference

tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337





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RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)

[Tony Weeg]

but isnt an included file, 
with some reusable code in it
just as fast as a UDF? I guess maybe the only
reason not would be the time to access the file
referenced in the cfinclude tagright?

and really, couldn't it be said that a UDF is some bit
of code, waiting for some inputted data to act upon, that then
returns a desired result (or non-desired sometimes!!!) 

just wondering

..tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337 


-Original Message-
From: Ben Doom [mailto:bdoom@;moonbow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)


I would tend to argue that you should at least know the basics so that
you
can create quick UDFs for things you do often -- that's saved me hours
and
hours of coding time.

They are easy to write, use, and (often important around here) I can
write
one and give it to my boss for him to use.  :-)

  --Ben Doom
Programmer & General Lackey
Moonbow Software

: -Original Message-
: From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net]
: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:29 PM
: To: CF-Talk
: Subject: RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)
:
:
: it certainly helpsthanks for the infoalthough
: I am sure there will be a flood of opinions on this, so that's
: really why I started the thread
:
: should any of us who don't already know, bother learning that way of
: coding for cf?
:
: ..tony
:
: Tony Weeg
: Senior Web Developer
: Information System Design
: Navtrak, Inc.
: Fleet Management Solutions
: www.navtrak.net
: 410.548.2337
:
:
: -Original Message-
: From: Fitch, Tyler [mailto:tfitch@;isitedesign.com]
: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:21 PM
: To: CF-Talk
: Subject: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)
:
:
: Tony,
:
: Pre CFMX using a block of cfscript to set some variables or perform
most
: tasks would give you an increase in performance.  Now with MX if you
: have a block of cfscript and set 10 variables compared to 10 
: tags the only difference would be the white space between the 
: tags.
:
: HTH,
:
: t
:
: **
: Tyler M. Fitch
: Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
: http://isitedesign.com
: **
:
: -Original Message-
: From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net]
: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:57 PM
: To: CF-Talk
: Subject: RE: cfscript book
:
:
: now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really that good
to
: use? or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much
: performance difference
:
: tony
:
: Tony Weeg
: Senior Web Developer
: Information System Design
: Navtrak, Inc.
: Fleet Management Solutions
: www.navtrak.net
: 410.548.2337
:
:
:
: 

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RE: cfscript book

[S . Isaac Dealey]

This is probably something you could achieve with FusionScript faster /
easier / cheaper ... from the sound of it anyway. The guy who invented FS
put up a chat room done in about 15 minutes with it at one point -- it was
really impressive: all html, but without "click" any "click" page "click"
refreshing "click" ... What flash gives you that FS doesn't really is
animation. Which is awesome, but the Flash API is overkill if all you need
to do is set a persistent variable on the server.

Isaac
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer

www.turnkey.to
954-776-0046

> Haven't heard of FusionScript before today, but it looks
> impressive.

> Please show me where the differences are, but it sure
> looks like
> FusionScript is a viable replacement in many ways for
> Flash Remoting
> without the need to purchase an expensive app, climb that
> extensive
> learning curve (espeically for those of us who know no
> Javascript),
> or bother with creating special graphics.

> What I've been considering Flash MX for is creating
> one-page applications,
> that update "onChange" and FusionScript seems a relatively
> simple way
> to achieve that.  The tutorials seem simple enough.

> What am I missing?

> Rick

> Rick Faircloth,
> Prism Productions

> -Original Message-
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:info@;turnkey.to]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:55 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: cfscript book


>>   What does Fusionscript have to do with cfscript?  As
>>   near as I can tell
>> there are no relation.

>>   I doubt you'll find a book dedicated to cfscript.
>>   I'd recommend my CF5 Beginner's book.  The chapter on
>>   CFScript covers
>>   all
>> you need to know, and you won't be able to beat the price
>> with some of the
>> more comprehensive
>> books.
>> <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072191090/instan
>> tcoldfu-20>

> Yea, FusionScript is mostly an API for using ColdFusion
> syntax to generate
> client side javascript. Really neat API ...

> I have some issues with implementing it -- mostly that it
> requires being
> either in the custom tags directory or in the same local
> directory it's
> being called fro... Since my apps generally use multiple
> sub-directories and
> are designed with the intent of making them compatible
> with shared hosting,
> there's not a good way for me to implement the current
> version of the API...
> Plus, it's still really young and going through a lot of
> debugging and such,
> so I'm waiting for it to mature a bit before integrating
> it into my apps,
> but it looks very promising. Particularly the ActiveServer
> component which
> allows you to pass data to and from the CF Server without
> a page reload.
> This can also be done with Flash (and I suspect in some
> cases in future
> versions of the API may be done with Flash in
> FusionScript), but the API
> abstracts all this so that you don't need to know Flash to
> use this
> functionality.

> But it has little to do with cfscript. ;P

> S. Isaac Dealey
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer

> www.turnkey.to
> 954-776-0046

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RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)

[Rob Rohan]

IMO it is a more advanced way to code - and it looks prettier. Again this is
just my opinion. You don't have to type < > as much, and if you have the
urge to learn a lower level language (C, C++, Java) it'll feel more
comfortable if you are used to that type of syntax.

Other than that - none that I can think of.


-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)


it certainly helpsthanks for the infoalthough
I am sure there will be a flood of opinions on this, so that's
really why I started the thread

should any of us who don't already know, bother learning that way of
coding for cf?

.tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337


-Original Message-
From: Fitch, Tyler [mailto:tfitch@;isitedesign.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)


Tony,

Pre CFMX using a block of cfscript to set some variables or perform most
tasks would give you an increase in performance.  Now with MX if you
have a block of cfscript and set 10 variables compared to 10 
tags the only difference would be the white space between the 
tags.

HTH,

t

**
Tyler M. Fitch
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
http://isitedesign.com
**

-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfscript book


now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really that good to
use? or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much
performance difference

tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337




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RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)

[Ben Doom]

I would tend to argue that you should at least know the basics so that you
can create quick UDFs for things you do often -- that's saved me hours and
hours of coding time.

They are easy to write, use, and (often important around here) I can write
one and give it to my boss for him to use.  :-)

  --Ben Doom
Programmer & General Lackey
Moonbow Software

: -Original Message-
: From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net]
: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:29 PM
: To: CF-Talk
: Subject: RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)
:
:
: it certainly helpsthanks for the infoalthough
: I am sure there will be a flood of opinions on this, so that's
: really why I started the thread
:
: should any of us who don't already know, bother learning that way of
: coding for cf?
:
: ..tony
:
: Tony Weeg
: Senior Web Developer
: Information System Design
: Navtrak, Inc.
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: www.navtrak.net
: 410.548.2337
:
:
: -Original Message-
: From: Fitch, Tyler [mailto:tfitch@;isitedesign.com]
: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:21 PM
: To: CF-Talk
: Subject: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)
:
:
: Tony,
:
: Pre CFMX using a block of cfscript to set some variables or perform most
: tasks would give you an increase in performance.  Now with MX if you
: have a block of cfscript and set 10 variables compared to 10 
: tags the only difference would be the white space between the 
: tags.
:
: HTH,
:
: t
:
: **
: Tyler M. Fitch
: Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
: http://isitedesign.com
: **
:
: -Original Message-
: From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net]
: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:57 PM
: To: CF-Talk
: Subject: RE: cfscript book
:
:
: now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really that good to
: use? or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much
: performance difference
:
: tony
:
: Tony Weeg
: Senior Web Developer
: Information System Design
: Navtrak, Inc.
: Fleet Management Solutions
: www.navtrak.net
: 410.548.2337
:
:
:
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RE: cfscript book

[Matthew Walker]

> now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really 
> that good to
> use?
> or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much performance
> difference

The only reason I sometimes use cfscript is that in certain situations
it is a lot easier to read IMO. Those situations are where a lot of
processing or calculations are occurring without anything being output.
Although we can now use cf tags in functions, I would still use cfscript
where possible as it's easier to scan. To take a basic example, I find


RS   = Chr(30); // Record separator
CR   = Chr(13); // Carriage return
LF   = Chr(10); // Line feed
HT   = Chr(9);  // Horizontal tab
SUB  = Chr(26); // Substitute
CRLF = CR & LF;


easier to read than:

 
 
 
 
 

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RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)

[Ben Forta]

I am sure others will jump in here, but as far as I can tell there are
only 2 reasons to use :

1) For some operations the syntax is cleaner, for example, if you need
to set 20 CF variables - the simple name=value; syntax is cleaner than
using lots of  tags.

2) If you need to port code (maybe functions) between languages - maybe
CF and ActionScript or JavaScript, then the similarities make that task
easier (although  is *not* syntactically the same as those
languages).

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)


it certainly helpsthanks for the infoalthough
I am sure there will be a flood of opinions on this, so that's really
why I started the thread

should any of us who don't already know, bother learning that way of
coding for cf?

.tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337 


-Original Message-
From: Fitch, Tyler [mailto:tfitch@;isitedesign.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)


Tony,

Pre CFMX using a block of cfscript to set some variables or perform most
tasks would give you an increase in performance.  Now with MX if you
have a block of cfscript and set 10 variables compared to 10 
tags the only difference would be the white space between the 
tags.

HTH,

t

**
Tyler M. Fitch
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com
**

-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfscript book


now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really that good to
use? or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much
performance difference

tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337 




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RE: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)

[Tony Weeg]

it certainly helpsthanks for the infoalthough
I am sure there will be a flood of opinions on this, so that's
really why I started the thread

should any of us who don't already know, bother learning that way of
coding for cf?

..tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337 


-Original Message-
From: Fitch, Tyler [mailto:tfitch@;isitedesign.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cfscript performance (was cfscript book)


Tony,

Pre CFMX using a block of cfscript to set some variables or perform most
tasks would give you an increase in performance.  Now with MX if you
have a block of cfscript and set 10 variables compared to 10 
tags the only difference would be the white space between the 
tags.

HTH,

t

**
Tyler M. Fitch
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
http://isitedesign.com
**

-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfscript book


now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really that good to
use? or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much
performance difference

tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337 



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RE: cfscript book

[Ben Forta]

If the reason you are looking at  is performance then don't
bother. Sure you may find subtle differences, but honestly, in the grand
scheme of things it has little impact. Here is some test code I just
wrote, copy and paste it in CFMX and try it - it just does a bunch of
loops and sets in both CFML and  and graphs the results (it
repeats the tests to account for inconsistent highs and lows). You
should see that the difference is really not significant anymore (in
CFMX).

--- Ben












   
   
   
  
   
   

   
   
   
   for (i=1; i LTE loops; i = i +1)
   {
  x=i;
   }
   
   

   
   
   
   





   
  
 
  
   
   
  
 
  
   




-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfscript book


now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really that good to
use? or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much
performance difference

.tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337 


-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdinowit@;houseoffusion.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cfscript book


Email me off list with what you want added to this doc and you'll have
your 10 minute reference. http://www.houseoffusion.com/docs/cfscript.htm
I know I need to put in the UDF portion (separate file now) and update
it to CFMX. What else would you like? Email me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the answer to that.

>
> point taken...but still, even one of those '10 minute pocket
reference' type
> of books would be nice.  the cf docs really are lacking when it comes
to
> cfscript.  a few code samples, a few sample apps, etc...
>
> *i'd* shell out $9.95 for the cfscript pocket reference :)
>
> charlie
>
>
>
>
> > --- Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:massimo@;massimocorner.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: cfscript book
> >
> >
> > "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> > news:002e01c28a80$f2816b10$ba0b0a0a@;navtrak267...
> >> so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in depth
with
> >> cfscript?
> >
> > Nothing that goes up to the level I would love to see :-(
> >
> > A few advanced books on CF MX still have to hit the shelves, so
maybe
> > there is still hope, but I always felt cfscript was somewhat
neglected
> > in books...
> >
> > I know a guy who would love to read a dedicated book on the subject,
but
> > I guess he is busy frying other fishes right now
> >
> > 
> > Massimo Foti
> > Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver 
> > http://www.macromedia.com/go/team
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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cfscript performance (was cfscript book)

[Fitch, Tyler]

Tony,

Pre CFMX using a block of cfscript to set some variables or perform most
tasks would give you an increase in performance.  Now with MX if you
have a block of cfscript and set 10 variables compared to 10 
tags the only difference would be the white space between the 
tags.

HTH,

t

**
Tyler M. Fitch
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
http://isitedesign.com
**

-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony@;navtrak.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfscript book


now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really that good to
use? or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much
performance difference

.tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337 


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Re: cfscript book

[Jeffry Houser]

  As a general note, this is the 'hand-out' from a presentation that Chris 
Graves ( of RapidCF ) gave at a Connecticut CFUG meeting.  back when 
Connecticut still had CFUGs.  The presentation was on, of course, CFScript.

  Chris knows his stuff, but last I heard he was off doing Java-oriented 
stuff these days.

At 02:12 PM 11/12/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>There is also this that I found:
>
>http://www.rapidcf.com/tools/reference.cfm
>
>disclaimer:  i make no guarantees as to the quality and/or accuracy of the
>content above.  i'm not associated with 'em...just a link that i thought
>might be handy for some.
>
>gonna go check out Michael's stuff more in-depth.  I did glance at it this
>morning when the link was first posted...but had not yet had my coffee, so
>very little of it 'stuck' :)
>
>charlie
>
>
>Marlon Moyer writes:
>
> > Print out the link Michael D. gave you in a very very small font :)
> > Make that $9.95 check out to Marlon Moyer
> >
> > charlie griefer wrote:
> >
> >>*i'd* shell out $9.95 for the cfscript pocket reference :)
> >>
> >>charlie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>--- Ben
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-Original Message-
> >>>From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:massimo@;massimocorner.com]
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM
> >>>To: CF-Talk
> >>>Subject: Re: cfscript book
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>>news:002e01c28a80$f2816b10$ba0b0a0a@;navtrak267...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in depth with
> >>>>cfscript?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Nothing that goes up to the level I would love to see :-(
> >>>
> >>>A few advanced books on CF MX still have to hit the shelves, so maybe
> >>>there is still hope, but I always felt cfscript was somewhat neglected
> >>>in books...
> >>>
> >>>I know a guy who would love to read a dedicated book on the subject, but
> >>>I guess he is busy frying other fishes right now
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Massimo Foti
> >>>Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver
> >>>http://www.macromedia.com/go/team
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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RE: cfscript book

[Rick Faircloth]

Haven't heard of FusionScript before today, but it looks impressive.

Please show me where the differences are, but it sure looks like
FusionScript is a viable replacement in many ways for Flash Remoting
without the need to purchase an expensive app, climb that extensive
learning curve (espeically for those of us who know no Javascript),
or bother with creating special graphics.

What I've been considering Flash MX for is creating one-page applications,
that update "onChange" and FusionScript seems a relatively simple way
to achieve that.  The tutorials seem simple enough.

What am I missing?

Rick

Rick Faircloth,
Prism Productions

-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:info@;turnkey.to]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cfscript book


>   What does Fusionscript have to do with cfscript?  As near as I can tell
> there are no relation.

>   I doubt you'll find a book dedicated to cfscript.
>   I'd recommend my CF5 Beginner's book.  The chapter on CFScript covers
>   all
> you need to know, and you won't be able to beat the price with some of the
> more comprehensive
> books.
> <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072191090/instantcoldfu-20>

Yea, FusionScript is mostly an API for using ColdFusion syntax to generate
client side javascript. Really neat API ...

I have some issues with implementing it -- mostly that it requires being
either in the custom tags directory or in the same local directory it's
being called fro... Since my apps generally use multiple sub-directories and
are designed with the intent of making them compatible with shared hosting,
there's not a good way for me to implement the current version of the API...
Plus, it's still really young and going through a lot of debugging and such,
so I'm waiting for it to mature a bit before integrating it into my apps,
but it looks very promising. Particularly the ActiveServer component which
allows you to pass data to and from the CF Server without a page reload.
This can also be done with Flash (and I suspect in some cases in future
versions of the API may be done with Flash in FusionScript), but the API
abstracts all this so that you don't need to know Flash to use this
functionality.

But it has little to do with cfscript. ;P

S. Isaac Dealey
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer

www.turnkey.to
954-776-0046

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Re: cfscript book

[charlie griefer]

There is also this that I found: 

http://www.rapidcf.com/tools/reference.cfm 

disclaimer:  i make no guarantees as to the quality and/or accuracy of the 
content above.  i'm not associated with 'em...just a link that i thought 
might be handy for some. 

gonna go check out Michael's stuff more in-depth.  I did glance at it this 
morning when the link was first posted...but had not yet had my coffee, so 
very little of it 'stuck' :) 

charlie 


Marlon Moyer writes: 

> Print out the link Michael D. gave you in a very very small font :)
> Make that $9.95 check out to Marlon Moyer 
> 
> charlie griefer wrote: 
> 
>>*i'd* shell out $9.95 for the cfscript pocket reference :)  
>>
>>charlie  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>   
>>
>>>--- Ben  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:massimo@;massimocorner.com] 
>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM
>>>To: CF-Talk
>>>Subject: Re: cfscript book  
>>>
>>>
>>>"Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>news:002e01c28a80$f2816b10$ba0b0a0a@;navtrak267...
>>> 
>>>
>>>>so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in depth with 
>>>>cfscript?
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>Nothing that goes up to the level I would love to see :-(  
>>>
>>>A few advanced books on CF MX still have to hit the shelves, so maybe
>>>there is still hope, but I always felt cfscript was somewhat neglected
>>>in books...  
>>>
>>>I know a guy who would love to read a dedicated book on the subject, but
>>>I guess he is busy frying other fishes right now  
>>>
>>>
>>>Massimo Foti
>>>Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver
>>>http://www.macromedia.com/go/team
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
> 
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RE: cfscript book

[Raymond Camden]

This isn't a bad idea. I added an enhancement request for it. (Which
doesn't mean it will actually get done - but the doc peeps will consider
it.)

===
Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yahoo IM : morpheus

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda 

> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Rohan [mailto:rob@;cardinalweb.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: cfscript book
> 
> 
> Speaking of the cfdocs lacking, the next time cf has a quick 
> reference - how
> about showing return values from a function?
> 
> For example my CFML quick ref says:
> 
> ArraySort(array, sort_type, [,sort_order])
> 
> helpful, but does it return a new sorted array or a yes/no?
> 
> String ArraySort(array, sort_type, [,sort_order])
> 
> would be much more helpful and clear in the "quick" reference.
> 
> :)
> rob
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: charlie griefer [mailto:charlie@;griefer.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:30 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: cfscript book
> 
> 
> Ben Forta writes:
> 
> > I hate to put it this bluntly, but there really is not that 
> much to say
> > about . And aside from UDFs (added in CF5 and 
> surpassed by the
> > tag interface in CFMX) and basic try/catch (added in CFMX but less
> > powerful than the equivalent tags)  has really not changed
> > much since it was introduced in CF4. The reason you have not seen
> > dedicated books on the subject is that it would be hard to 
> fill a book
> > just on  - you'd need to use tags anyway sooner or later.
> >
> 
> point taken...but still, even one of those '10 minute pocket 
> reference' type
> of books would be nice.  the cf docs really are lacking when 
> it comes to
> cfscript.  a few code samples, a few sample apps, etc...
> 
> *i'd* shell out $9.95 for the cfscript pocket reference :)
> 
> charlie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > --- Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:massimo@;massimocorner.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: cfscript book
> >
> >
> > "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:002e01c28a80$f2816b10$ba0b0a0a@;navtrak267...
> >> so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in 
> depth with
> >> cfscript?
> >
> > Nothing that goes up to the level I would love to see :-(
> >
> > A few advanced books on CF MX still have to hit the 
> shelves, so maybe
> > there is still hope, but I always felt cfscript was 
> somewhat neglected
> > in books...
> >
> > I know a guy who would love to read a dedicated book on the 
> subject, but
> > I guess he is busy frying other fishes right now
> >
> > 
> > Massimo Foti
> > Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver
> > http://www.macromedia.com/go/team
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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Re: cfscript book

[todd]

LOL... :)

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Marlon Moyer wrote:

> Print out the link Michael D. gave you in a very very small font :)
> Make that $9.95 check out to Marlon Moyer
> 
> charlie griefer wrote:
> 
> >*i'd* shell out $9.95 for the cfscript pocket reference :) 
> >
> >charlie 
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>--- Ben 
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:massimo@;massimocorner.com] 
> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: Re: cfscript book 
> >>
> >>
> >>"Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>news:002e01c28a80$f2816b10$ba0b0a0a@;navtrak267...
> >>
> >>
> >>>so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in depth with 
> >>>cfscript?
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>Nothing that goes up to the level I would love to see :-( 
> >>
> >>A few advanced books on CF MX still have to hit the shelves, so maybe
> >>there is still hope, but I always felt cfscript was somewhat neglected
> >>in books... 
> >>
> >>I know a guy who would love to read a dedicated book on the subject, but
> >>I guess he is busy frying other fishes right now 
> >>
> >>
> >>Massimo Foti
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> >>
> >> 
> >>
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> >>
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RE: cfscript book

[Larry Juncker]

Very Nice Michael,

I also have been looking for something like this.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cfscript book


Email me off list with what you want added to this doc and you'll have your
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>
> point taken...but still, even one of those '10 minute pocket reference'
type
> of books would be nice.  the cf docs really are lacking when it comes to
> cfscript.  a few code samples, a few sample apps, etc...
>
> *i'd* shell out $9.95 for the cfscript pocket reference :)
>
> charlie
>
>
>
>
> > --- Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:massimo@;massimocorner.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: cfscript book
> >
> >
> > "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:002e01c28a80$f2816b10$ba0b0a0a@;navtrak267...
> >> so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in depth with
> >> cfscript?
> >
> > Nothing that goes up to the level I would love to see :-(
> >
> > A few advanced books on CF MX still have to hit the shelves, so maybe
> > there is still hope, but I always felt cfscript was somewhat neglected
> > in books...
> >
> > I know a guy who would love to read a dedicated book on the subject, but
> > I guess he is busy frying other fishes right now
> >
> > 
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RE: cfscript book

[Tony Weeg]

now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really that good to
use?
or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much performance
difference

..tony

Tony Weeg
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-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdinowit@;houseoffusion.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cfscript book


Email me off list with what you want added to this doc and you'll have
your 10
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http://www.houseoffusion.com/docs/cfscript.htm
I know I need to put in the UDF portion (separate file now) and update
it to
CFMX. What else would you like? Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with the
answer to that.

>
> point taken...but still, even one of those '10 minute pocket
reference' type
> of books would be nice.  the cf docs really are lacking when it comes
to
> cfscript.  a few code samples, a few sample apps, etc...
>
> *i'd* shell out $9.95 for the cfscript pocket reference :)
>
> charlie
>
>
>
>
> > --- Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:massimo@;massimocorner.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: cfscript book
> >
> >
> > "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:002e01c28a80$f2816b10$ba0b0a0a@;navtrak267...
> >> so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in depth
with
> >> cfscript?
> >
> > Nothing that goes up to the level I would love to see :-(
> >
> > A few advanced books on CF MX still have to hit the shelves, so
maybe
> > there is still hope, but I always felt cfscript was somewhat
neglected
> > in books...
> >
> > I know a guy who would love to read a dedicated book on the subject,
but
> > I guess he is busy frying other fishes right now
> >
> > 
> > Massimo Foti
> > Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver
> > http://www.macromedia.com/go/team
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: cfscript book

[Rob Rohan]

Speaking of the cfdocs lacking, the next time cf has a quick reference - how
about showing return values from a function?

For example my CFML quick ref says:

ArraySort(array, sort_type, [,sort_order])

helpful, but does it return a new sorted array or a yes/no?

String ArraySort(array, sort_type, [,sort_order])

would be much more helpful and clear in the "quick" reference.

:)
rob


-Original Message-
From: charlie griefer [mailto:charlie@;griefer.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cfscript book


Ben Forta writes:

> I hate to put it this bluntly, but there really is not that much to say
> about . And aside from UDFs (added in CF5 and surpassed by the
> tag interface in CFMX) and basic try/catch (added in CFMX but less
> powerful than the equivalent tags)  has really not changed
> much since it was introduced in CF4. The reason you have not seen
> dedicated books on the subject is that it would be hard to fill a book
> just on  - you'd need to use tags anyway sooner or later.
>

point taken...but still, even one of those '10 minute pocket reference' type
of books would be nice.  the cf docs really are lacking when it comes to
cfscript.  a few code samples, a few sample apps, etc...

*i'd* shell out $9.95 for the cfscript pocket reference :)

charlie




> --- Ben
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:massimo@;massimocorner.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: cfscript book
>
>
> "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:002e01c28a80$f2816b10$ba0b0a0a@;navtrak267...
>> so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in depth with
>> cfscript?
>
> Nothing that goes up to the level I would love to see :-(
>
> A few advanced books on CF MX still have to hit the shelves, so maybe
> there is still hope, but I always felt cfscript was somewhat neglected
> in books...
>
> I know a guy who would love to read a dedicated book on the subject, but
> I guess he is busy frying other fishes right now
>
> 
> Massimo Foti
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> http://www.macromedia.com/go/team
> 
>
>
>
>
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Re: cfscript book

[Marlon Moyer]

Print out the link Michael D. gave you in a very very small font :)
Make that $9.95 check out to Marlon Moyer

charlie griefer wrote:

>*i'd* shell out $9.95 for the cfscript pocket reference :) 
>
>charlie 
>
> 
>
>
>  
>
>>--- Ben 
>>
>> 
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:massimo@;massimocorner.com] 
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Re: cfscript book 
>>
>>
>>"Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:002e01c28a80$f2816b10$ba0b0a0a@;navtrak267...
>>
>>
>>>so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in depth with 
>>>cfscript?
>>>  
>>>
>>Nothing that goes up to the level I would love to see :-( 
>>
>>A few advanced books on CF MX still have to hit the shelves, so maybe
>>there is still hope, but I always felt cfscript was somewhat neglected
>>in books... 
>>
>>I know a guy who would love to read a dedicated book on the subject, but
>>I guess he is busy frying other fishes right now 
>>
>>
>>Massimo Foti
>>Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver
>>http://www.macromedia.com/go/team
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: cfscript book

[Michael Dinowitz]

Email me off list with what you want added to this doc and you'll have your 10
minute reference.
http://www.houseoffusion.com/docs/cfscript.htm
I know I need to put in the UDF portion (separate file now) and update it to
CFMX. What else would you like? Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the
answer to that.

>
> point taken...but still, even one of those '10 minute pocket reference' type
> of books would be nice.  the cf docs really are lacking when it comes to
> cfscript.  a few code samples, a few sample apps, etc...
>
> *i'd* shell out $9.95 for the cfscript pocket reference :)
>
> charlie
>
>
>
>
> > --- Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:massimo@;massimocorner.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: cfscript book
> >
> >
> > "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:002e01c28a80$f2816b10$ba0b0a0a@;navtrak267...
> >> so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in depth with
> >> cfscript?
> >
> > Nothing that goes up to the level I would love to see :-(
> >
> > A few advanced books on CF MX still have to hit the shelves, so maybe
> > there is still hope, but I always felt cfscript was somewhat neglected
> > in books...
> >
> > I know a guy who would love to read a dedicated book on the subject, but
> > I guess he is busy frying other fishes right now
> >
> > 
> > Massimo Foti
> > Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver
> > http://www.macromedia.com/go/team
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: cfscript book

[charlie griefer]

Ben Forta writes: 

> I hate to put it this bluntly, but there really is not that much to say
> about . And aside from UDFs (added in CF5 and surpassed by the
> tag interface in CFMX) and basic try/catch (added in CFMX but less
> powerful than the equivalent tags)  has really not changed
> much since it was introduced in CF4. The reason you have not seen
> dedicated books on the subject is that it would be hard to fill a book
> just on  - you'd need to use tags anyway sooner or later. 
> 

point taken...but still, even one of those '10 minute pocket reference' type 
of books would be nice.  the cf docs really are lacking when it comes to 
cfscript.  a few code samples, a few sample apps, etc... 

*i'd* shell out $9.95 for the cfscript pocket reference :) 

charlie 

 


> --- Ben 
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:massimo@;massimocorner.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: cfscript book 
> 
> 
> "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:002e01c28a80$f2816b10$ba0b0a0a@;navtrak267...
>> so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in depth with 
>> cfscript?
> 
> Nothing that goes up to the level I would love to see :-( 
> 
> A few advanced books on CF MX still have to hit the shelves, so maybe
> there is still hope, but I always felt cfscript was somewhat neglected
> in books... 
> 
> I know a guy who would love to read a dedicated book on the subject, but
> I guess he is busy frying other fishes right now 
> 
> 
> Massimo Foti
> Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver
> http://www.macromedia.com/go/team
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
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Re: cfscript book

[S . Isaac Dealey]

>   What does Fusionscript have to do with cfscript?  As near as I can tell
> there are no relation.

>   I doubt you'll find a book dedicated to cfscript.
>   I'd recommend my CF5 Beginner's book.  The chapter on CFScript covers
>   all
> you need to know, and you won't be able to beat the price with some of the
> more comprehensive
> books.
> 

Yea, FusionScript is mostly an API for using ColdFusion syntax to generate
client side javascript. Really neat API ...

I have some issues with implementing it -- mostly that it requires being
either in the custom tags directory or in the same local directory it's
being called fro... Since my apps generally use multiple sub-directories and
are designed with the intent of making them compatible with shared hosting,
there's not a good way for me to implement the current version of the API...
Plus, it's still really young and going through a lot of debugging and such,
so I'm waiting for it to mature a bit before integrating it into my apps,
but it looks very promising. Particularly the ActiveServer component which
allows you to pass data to and from the CF Server without a page reload.
This can also be done with Flash (and I suspect in some cases in future
versions of the API may be done with Flash in FusionScript), but the API
abstracts all this so that you don't need to know Flash to use this
functionality.

But it has little to do with cfscript. ;P

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RE: cfscript book

[Tony Weeg]

that makes sensethank you.

..tony

Tony Weeg
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-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:ben@;forta.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfscript book


I hate to put it this bluntly, but there really is not that much to say
about . And aside from UDFs (added in CF5 and surpassed by the
tag interface in CFMX) and basic try/catch (added in CFMX but less
powerful than the equivalent tags)  has really not changed
much since it was introduced in CF4. The reason you have not seen
dedicated books on the subject is that it would be hard to fill a book
just on  - you'd need to use tags anyway sooner or later.

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:massimo@;massimocorner.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cfscript book


"Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:002e01c28a80$f2816b10$ba0b0a0a@;navtrak267...
> so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in depth with 
> cfscript?

Nothing that goes up to the level I would love to see :-(

A few advanced books on CF MX still have to hit the shelves, so maybe
there is still hope, but I always felt cfscript was somewhat neglected
in books...

I know a guy who would love to read a dedicated book on the subject, but
I guess he is busy frying other fishes right now


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RE: cfscript book

[Ben Forta]

I hate to put it this bluntly, but there really is not that much to say
about . And aside from UDFs (added in CF5 and surpassed by the
tag interface in CFMX) and basic try/catch (added in CFMX but less
powerful than the equivalent tags)  has really not changed
much since it was introduced in CF4. The reason you have not seen
dedicated books on the subject is that it would be hard to fill a book
just on  - you'd need to use tags anyway sooner or later.

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:massimo@;massimocorner.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cfscript book


"Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:002e01c28a80$f2816b10$ba0b0a0a@;navtrak267...
> so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in depth with 
> cfscript?

Nothing that goes up to the level I would love to see :-(

A few advanced books on CF MX still have to hit the shelves, so maybe
there is still hope, but I always felt cfscript was somewhat neglected
in books...

I know a guy who would love to read a dedicated book on the subject, but
I guess he is busy frying other fishes right now


Massimo Foti
Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver
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Re: cfscript book

[Massimo, Tiziana e Federica]

"Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:002e01c28a80$f2816b10$ba0b0a0a@;navtrak267...
> so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in depth
> with cfscript?

Nothing that goes up to the level I would love to see :-(

A few advanced books on CF MX still have to hit the shelves, so maybe there
is still hope, but I always felt cfscript was somewhat neglected in books...

I know a guy who would love to read a dedicated book on the subject, but I
guess he is busy frying other fishes right now


Massimo Foti
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Re: cfscript book

[Jeffry Houser]

  What does Fusionscript have to do with cfscript?  As near as I can tell 
there are no relation.

  I doubt you'll find a book dedicated to cfscript.
  I'd recommend my CF5 Beginner's book.  The chapter on CFScript covers all 
you need to know, and you won't be able to beat the price with some of the 
more comprehensive 
books.  <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072191090/instantcoldfu-20>


At 11:15 AM 11/12/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>http://www.fusionscript.com
>
>
>=
>Douglas White
>group Manager
>mailto:doug@;samcfug.org
>http://www.samcfug.org
>=
>- Original Message -
>From: "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:37 AM
>Subject: cfscript book
>
>
>| does anyone have a good cfscript book to recommend?
>|
>| thanks!
>|
>| ..tony
>|
>| Tony Weeg
>| Senior Web Developer
>| Information System Design
>| Navtrak, Inc.
>| Fleet Management Solutions
>| www.navtrak.net
>| 410.548.2337
>|
>|
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RE: cfscript book

[Tony Weeg]

chris

nail.right on the head!

that's what I was looking for, a book that really
goes in depth with syntax, real world examples, etc...
that I could take and expound uponim not really
that good with writing ecma-type scripts, however I can
read/interpret them well, and now I want to be able
to really write them, from scratchfrom what I see
on this list, most of what I would deem as the "best coders"
on here, seem to always submit the code that they
use, and suggest for help to others, in cfscript blocks vs. cfml
code.

so, the question remains, is there one that really goes in depth
with cfscript?

thanks.

..tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
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-Original Message-
From: Chris Kief [mailto:chris@;riseinteractive.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfscript book


I believe Tony was referring to part of the ColdFusion language
(cfscript).

As far as a good book goes, about the only thing I've read lately with
decent cfscript coverage is Ben Forta's advanced CFMX app. dev. book.
The book touches on the use of variables, functions, if-else,
switch-case, loops, continue/break, etc.

chris kief



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From: samcfug [mailto:doug@;samcfug.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cfscript book

http://www.fusionscript.com


=
Douglas White
group Manager
mailto:doug@;samcfug.org
http://www.samcfug.org
=
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From: "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:37 AM
Subject: cfscript book


| does anyone have a good cfscript book to recommend?
|
| thanks!
|
| ..tony
|
| Tony Weeg
| Senior Web Developer
| Information System Design
| Navtrak, Inc.
| Fleet Management Solutions
| www.navtrak.net
| 410.548.2337
|
|



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RE: cfscript book

[Chris Kief]

I believe Tony was referring to part of the ColdFusion language
(cfscript).

As far as a good book goes, about the only thing I've read lately with
decent cfscript coverage is Ben Forta's advanced CFMX app. dev. book.
The book touches on the use of variables, functions, if-else,
switch-case, loops, continue/break, etc.

chris kief



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From: samcfug [mailto:doug@;samcfug.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:16 AM
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Subject: Re: cfscript book

http://www.fusionscript.com


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- Original Message -
From: "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:37 AM
Subject: cfscript book


| does anyone have a good cfscript book to recommend?
|
| thanks!
|
| ..tony
|
| Tony Weeg
| Senior Web Developer
| Information System Design
| Navtrak, Inc.
| Fleet Management Solutions
| www.navtrak.net
| 410.548.2337
|
|


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Re: cfscript book

[Michael Dinowitz]

http://www.houseoffusion.com/docs/cfscript.htm


> does anyone have a good cfscript book to recommend?
>
> thanks!
>
> ..tony
>
> Tony Weeg
> Senior Web Developer
> Information System Design
> Navtrak, Inc.
> Fleet Management Solutions
> www.navtrak.net
> 410.548.2337
>
> 
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Re: cfscript book

[Michael Dinowitz]

http://www.houseoffusion.com/docs/cfscript.htm


> does anyone have a good cfscript book to recommend?
>
> thanks!
>
> ..tony
>
> Tony Weeg
> Senior Web Developer
> Information System Design
> Navtrak, Inc.
> Fleet Management Solutions
> www.navtrak.net
> 410.548.2337
>
> 
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Re: cfscript book

[samcfug]

http://www.fusionscript.com


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- Original Message -
From: "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:37 AM
Subject: cfscript book


| does anyone have a good cfscript book to recommend?
|
| thanks!
|
| ..tony
|
| Tony Weeg
| Senior Web Developer
| Information System Design
| Navtrak, Inc.
| Fleet Management Solutions
| www.navtrak.net
| 410.548.2337
|
|

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cfscript book

[Tony Weeg]

does anyone have a good cfscript book to recommend?

thanks!

..tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337 

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