RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
The Developer edition is free, and it does have IP restrictions. There are no other free versions, and shared servers (whether used for development, staging, or production) are paid for servers. --- Ben _ From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Developer Edition Ok I know there is a ColdFusion Developer edition, but here is my question. From what I understand it's limited to one IP address. Does Macromedia sell a developer version like Microsoft does where you can use the software in a development version unrestricted without having to be limited? I'm making a development server and the big price item was SQL server, but I found that you can buy a development version of that for $49.95, so would like to find something like this for ColdFusion. Bob Everland _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition
And, if you have a multiple developer invironment where you may need a CF capable server without IP restrictions, there is still BlueDragon from NewAtlanta. (Sorry Ben, had to throw it out there...) Cutter Ben Forta wrote: The Developer edition is free, and it does have IP restrictions. There are no other free versions, and shared servers (whether used for development, staging, or production) are paid for servers. --- Ben _ From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Developer Edition Ok I know there is a ColdFusion Developer edition, but here is my question. From what I understand it's limited to one IP address. Does Macromedia sell a developer version like Microsoft does where you can use the software in a development version unrestricted without having to be limited? I'm making a development server and the big price item was SQL server, but I found that you can buy a development version of that for $49.95, so would like to find something like this for ColdFusion. Bob Everland _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition
That's like saying that I can use PostgreSQL instead of SQL. yeah they pretty much do the same thing, but I need it to be 100% duplicate of my live box. Bob Everland And, if you have a multiple developer invironment where you may need a CF capable server without IP restrictions, there is still BlueDragon from NewAtlanta. (Sorry Ben, had to throw it out there...) Cutter Ben Forta wrote: [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
Ok I know there is a ColdFusion Developer edition, but here is my question. From what I understand it's limited to one IP address. Does Macromedia sell a developer version like Microsoft does where you can use the software in a development version unrestricted without having to be limited? I'm making a development server and the big price item was SQL server, but I found that you can buy a development version of that for $49.95, so would like to find something like this for ColdFusion. You can get a DevNet subscription, which isn't free, but does provide multi-use servers for development. But, out of curiosity, what specifically do you want to do that the single-user version won't let you do? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
Yes - but all the developers must have a subscription - right? -mk -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition Ok I know there is a ColdFusion Developer edition, but here is my question. From what I understand it's limited to one IP address. Does Macromedia sell a developer version like Microsoft does where you can use the software in a development version unrestricted without having to be limited? I'm making a development server and the big price item was SQL server, but I found that you can buy a development version of that for $49.95, so would like to find something like this for ColdFusion. You can get a DevNet subscription, which isn't free, but does provide multi-use servers for development. But, out of curiosity, what specifically do you want to do that the single-user version won't let you do? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
Yes - but all the developers must have a subscription - right? Yes, I think so. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition
Yeah they do, BUT it's only $49.95 now for sql server. http://www.microsoft.com/sql/howtobuy/development.asp Yes - but all the developers must have a subscription - right? Yes, I think so. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition
The single user version is good if I am the only person to hit the box, but if I'm limited by ip address I could run into an issue if it decides to bind on 127.0.0.1 instead of an outside IP address. Can you make ColdFusion bind to another ip on purpose? Bob Ok I know there is a ColdFusion Developer edition, but here is my question. From what I understand it's limited to one IP address. Does Macromedia sell a developer version like Microsoft does where you can use the software in a development version unrestricted without having to be limited? I'm making a development server and the big price item was SQL server, but I found that you can buy a development version of that for $49.95, so would like to find something like this for ColdFusion. You can get a DevNet subscription, which isn't free, but does provide multi-use servers for development. But, out of curiosity, what specifically do you want to do that the single-user version won't let you do? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
The single user version is good if I am the only person to hit the box, but if I'm limited by ip address I could run into an issue if it decides to bind on 127.0.0.1 instead of an outside IP address. Can you make ColdFusion bind to another ip on purpose? You can ensure that the first request to that CF server is made through that IP address. Offhand, I don't remember whether CFMX accepts requests from one IP address, or localhost and one external IP address. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition
It is localhost plus 1 external IP address per restart. The first encountered external IP is stored in license properties -- you can clear this and restart CFMX to allow a different IP address. HTH Dick On May 5, 2004, at 8:11 AM, Dave Watts wrote: The single user version is good if I am the only person to hit the box, but if I'm limited by ip address I could run into an issue if it decides to bind on 127.0.0.1 instead of an outside IP address. Can you make ColdFusion bind to another ip on purpose? You can ensure that the first request to that CF server is made through that IP address. Offhand, I don't remember whether CFMX accepts requests from one IP address, or localhost and one external IP address. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
The single user version is good if I am the only person to hit the box, but if I'm limited by ip address I could run into an issue if it decides to bind on 127.0.0.1 instead of an outside IP address. Can you make ColdFusion bind to another ip on purpose? You can ensure that the first request to that CF server is made through that IP address. Offhand, I don't remember whether CFMX accepts requests from one IP address, or localhost and one external IP address. I think it is localhost+1 external. Although too busy to confirm. ;) [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
you can clear this and restart CFMX to allow a different IP address. Does clearing it still mean editing an xml file? Or have they enabled that via CF Admin? Ken [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
6.0 needed the xml file to be edited, 6.1 is just a restart of CFMX service. -Original Message- From: Kenneth Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 May 2004 16:19 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition you can clear this and restart CFMX to allow a different IP address. Does clearing it still mean editing an xml file? Or have they enabled that via CF Admin? Ken [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition
You can get a DevNet subscription, which isn't free, but does provide multi-use servers for development. But, out of curiosity, what specifically do you want to do that the single-user version won't let you do? I don't know what Bob's needs are, but we regularly want to evaluate a piece of software before even putting it on our test server. Our test server is a mirror of the production server and shouldn't have random evaluation stuff or beta testing software put on it. But the personal Developer license doesn't give our department the ability to actually look at the product being tested without everyone standing over someone's shoulder. Yes there's the MM Devnet subscription, but it's rather expensive. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition
On May 5, 2004, at 8:54 AM, Kevin Graeme wrote: You can get a DevNet subscription, which isn't free, but does provide multi-use servers for development. But, out of curiosity, what specifically do you want to do that the single-user version won't let you do? I don't know what Bob's needs are, but we regularly want to evaluate a piece of software before even putting it on our test server. Our test server is a mirror of the production server and shouldn't have random evaluation stuff or beta testing software put on it. But the personal Developer license doesn't give our department the ability to actually look at the product being tested without everyone standing over someone's shoulder. Yes there's the MM Devnet subscription, but it's rather expensive. We've had threads on this before --- Macromedia may want to rethink the Developer Version IP limit in light of what others are doing: New Atlanta Sybase_ASE Microsoft et al Dick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
I don't know what Bob's needs are, but we regularly want to evaluate a piece of software before even putting it on our test server. Our test server is a mirror of the production server and shouldn't have random evaluation stuff or beta testing software put on it. But the personal Developer license doesn't give our department the ability to actually look at the product being tested without everyone standing over someone's shoulder. Isn't that what the 30-day Trial Version is for? Or am I missing something? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition
On May 5, 2004, at 9:14 AM, Dave Watts wrote: I don't know what Bob's needs are, but we regularly want to evaluate a piece of software before even putting it on our test server. Our test server is a mirror of the production server and shouldn't have random evaluation stuff or beta testing software put on it. But the personal Developer license doesn't give our department the ability to actually look at the product being tested without everyone standing over someone's shoulder. Isn't that what the 30-day Trial Version is for? Or am I missing something? I think he means evaluating CF apps on an ongoing basis -- not evaluating CFMX HTH Dick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition
- Original Message - From: Dave Watts I don't know what Bob's needs are, but we regularly want to evaluate a piece of software before even putting it on our test server. Our test server is a mirror of the production server and shouldn't have random evaluation stuff or beta testing software put on it. But the personal Developer license doesn't give our department the ability to actually look at the product being tested without everyone standing over someone's shoulder. Isn't that what the 30-day Trial Version is for? Or am I missing something? That's fine if you're testing everything within that 30-day period. But most of the things I have don't all come up in the same month. And wiping the box and reinstalling everything every 30 days isn't practical. And at least around here, nothing can be really tested in 30 days AND people still work on all the other things we get paid to do. It's usually: install, make sure it runs, send out an email for people to look at it, a couple weeks later enough people have gotten around to looking at it that we can talk about it and decide what to look at more. A real project with a high priority comes up and requires attention and puts off testing for weeks. Repeat for at least 3 months. Heck, just getting a followup meeting for some committees around here doesn't happen within 30 days. Maybe smaller shops that don't have a lot of work to do can get stuff fully evaluated within 30 days, but we sure don't. Lest I come off as whining, I'm not meaning to. I'm just stating the facts of our situation and why it would be nice to have a $50 developer workgroup license or something. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
Yes, $50-$100 for a Dev work group version that serves only the current subnet would be really nice.(Not that my office needs it. We got involved in a dot bomb and now we have plenty of extra CF server licenses for Dev servers.) Not that I am trying to defeat MM's single IP dev version, but could you not take a basic home router and plug it in backwards (wan port to the single IP CF server) and thus the router uses only 1 IP address to access the CF server?Then whole network can access the CF server through the router via NAT?I doubt I will ever try this config. Just thinking out loud. I am 100% sure this violates the Dev server licensing or at least the sprit of it. :-) Mark W. Breneman -Cold Fusion Developer -Network Administrator Vivid Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vividmedia.com 608.270.9770 _ From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition - Original Message - From: Dave Watts I don't know what Bob's needs are, but we regularly want to evaluate a piece of software before even putting it on our test server. Our test server is a mirror of the production server and shouldn't have random evaluation stuff or beta testing software put on it. But the personal Developer license doesn't give our department the ability to actually look at the product being tested without everyone standing over someone's shoulder. Isn't that what the 30-day Trial Version is for? Or am I missing something? That's fine if you're testing everything within that 30-day period. But most of the things I have don't all come up in the same month. And wiping the box and reinstalling everything every 30 days isn't practical. And at least around here, nothing can be really tested in 30 days AND people still work on all the other things we get paid to do. It's usually: install, make sure it runs, send out an email for people to look at it, a couple weeks later enough people have gotten around to looking at it that we can talk about it and decide what to look at more. A real project with a high priority comes up and requires attention and puts off testing for weeks. Repeat for at least 3 months. Heck, just getting a followup meeting for some committees around here doesn't happen within 30 days. Maybe smaller shops that don't have a lot of work to do can get stuff fully evaluated within 30 days, but we sure don't. Lest I come off as whining, I'm not meaning to. I'm just stating the facts of our situation and why it would be nice to have a $50 developer workgroup license or something. -Kevin _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition
I would love to see the IP restriction increased to say 10 IP's like the dev edition of SQL Server!!! My sons are coming home from college soon and they will be working for me this summer, but it is such a pain to have CF installed on all their systems, when I would rather have them access one dev server. I am actually setting a server with BD 6 hoping it will help, realizing their are differences between BD 6 CFMX. It won't be perfect, but it may be better than multiple installs of CF on their local systems. I may install CFMX on the server too if they absolutely need to test on CFMX, but obviously we will have to restart CFMX for them to take turns accessing CFMX. We've had threads on this before --- Macromedia may want to rethink the Developer Version IP limit in light of what others are doing: New Atlanta Sybase_ASE Microsoft [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
Couldn't you put the users behind some kind of firewall/router type of appliance so that when they made requests to the CF server, they would all come from the same IP (the firewall/router)Then you'd only need to enable that one IP address.Any other network gurus feel free to chime in.Or if this is somehow in violation of the license, feel free to chime as well. John -Original Message- From: Stan Winchester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 1:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition I would love to see the IP restriction increased to say 10 IP's like the dev edition of SQL Server!!! My sons are coming home from college soon and they will be working for me this summer, but it is such a pain to have CF installed on all their systems, when I would rather have them access one dev server. I am actually setting a server with BD 6 hoping it will help, realizing their are differences between BD 6 CFMX. It won't be perfect, but it may be better than multiple installs of CF on their local systems. I may install CFMX on the server too if they absolutely need to test on CFMX, but obviously we will have to restart CFMX for them to take turns accessing CFMX. We've had threads on this before --- Macromedia may want to rethink the Developer Version IP limit in light of what others are doing: New Atlanta Sybase_ASE Microsoft [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
Or if this is somehow in violation of the license, feel free to chime as well. This would certainly be in violation of the license. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
Ok, then I retract my statement.Don't do it.Thanks Dave :-) John -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 1:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition Or if this is somehow in violation of the license, feel free to chime as well. This would certainly be in violation of the license. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
Some people consider PostgreSQL to be superior to SQL Server for some applications, even on their live box. Sorry, couldn't resist.;-) Vince -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition That's like saying that I can use PostgreSQL instead of SQL. yeah they pretty much do the same thing, but I need it to be 100% duplicate of my live box. Bob Everland And, if you have a multiple developer invironment where you may need a CF capable server without IP restrictions, there is still BlueDragon from NewAtlanta. (Sorry Ben, had to throw it out there...) Cutter Ben Forta wrote: [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Developer Edition
Some people consider PostgreSQL to be superior to SQL Server for some applications, even on their live box. Sure, but they're different things, and neither is a completely acceptable substitute for the other. Sorry, couldn't resist.;-) Neither could I, apparently. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition
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