RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
Re: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
The fact is that as technology progresses, some things that it was important to do by hand become less so. Using SQL Server is a good example of this. A good admin needs to know more than the new wizards in SQL server 7, but that doesn't mean that the wizards are all bad, are necessarily inferior, or even that there is a compelling reason to know how to do by hand what some of the wizards do. If they do the job properly, that's what matters. You simply bypass those that don't. And THAT is the key! Similarly with visual editors. I still use Studio for the most part, but I sometimes use Dreamweaver. There are many operations that are just much faster with a visual editor and if you know what you are doing, then you don't have to worry about bad code because you won't be making it (unlike Frontpage where you can't stop it). Take tables: it is much faster to move columns around and generally manipulate tables in DW than in Studio, so I often pop in there to do it. I have no idea what a previous poster was talking about: DW never inserts lots of empty rows or anything else. Fireworks creates shim rows when it outputs HTML tables to split graphics, but I've never had DW do that. On the other hand, outside of particular things that I find quicker to pop into DW to do, I still code by hand using Studio or TextPad. Knee-jerk ignorance of the tools will no more benefit a developer than knee-jerk acceptance. They have to be evaluated and used properly if they are used at all. But I guarantee that there are many operations which, by dropping into a good visual editor, I will complete faster and with equal quality, than anyone using a text-based editor-- and no one on the receiving end will ever know which is which. As long as that is the case, it's a good thing. c -- Chris Lott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Technical Manager p907.474.5122 | f907.474.5402 | PGP Key ID: 0x8687E87E -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
If I was wrong I apologize. I really, really hate SPAM and I've seen way too many attempts to veil it with a thinly disguised, "Hey guys check this out", followed by 2 pages of propaganda. No harm done. Steve -Original Message- From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History? Steve, Why would you say that? Clinton's posted here before, and his usual posts don't seem to be SPAM. I think it was a useful post. Not like he just stopped by to post that tidbit and then be gone. :) Thanks Clinton. Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
> Some of us out here actually KNOW HOW TO CODE! We don't need bloatware > handholding to create high-quality sites. And some of us that know how to code also know how to *properly* use a Visual Design Tool where and when appropriate to the task and/or team environment at hand. Just because a tool offers a visual component doesn't necessarily mean it's intended for amatuers nor that it will create bloated code when used *properly*. Should be interesting to see UltraDev given the quality of other Macromedia products. Ken -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
What a load of hooey! Ignoring the fact that this message was a thinly-disguised advertisement for a competing product... Some of us out here actually KNOW HOW TO CODE! We don't need bloatware handholding to create high-quality sites. It's my opinion, but if you need this type of layout program to create websites, then you're not a programmer. You may be a designer, but you're not a programmer and should not be allowed to write code. Programmers actually take pride in *understanding what they are doing* instead of just connecting the pretty dots. I certainly don't do all of my coding in notepad, but the editors I do use (Homesite, CF Studio and Visual Studio) are primarily code-editors (First thing I do on install is disable the layout tab). Nonetheless, if Homesite and CF Studio were to disappear tomorrow, you'll find me happily editing in Notepad or vi. Bah, Amateurs! Michael J. Sheldon Internet Applications Developer Phone: 480.699.1084 http://www.desertraven.com/ PGP Key Available on Request -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
On 4/5/00, Nick McClure penned: >I don't think we will ever see products like Studio, Homesite, BBEdit, >UltraEdit, etc.. go away. > >I use Studio because it is the best thing there is for coding CF/HTML. Hmmm, don't know about that. I've got just about all the tags I use set up in my BBEdit glossary, which basically works like snippets. I've got a PC with Studio and a Mac with BBEdit right next to each other. Guess which one I use for coding CF. If I do the forms first, so I can submit and copy the fieldnames from the debug output, I can create both an update query and an insert query inside of 10 minutes no matter how many fields there are. 10, 20, 200, 500. :) But whatever your preference, I sure like having control over the code. I've been hand coding for several years while my wife has been using Dreamweaver. I can slap out complex tables in just a few minutes. By the time she's done with the same table, there are about 20 empty rows, all kinds of crap. And if she has a problem, that's it, I've got to go in and fix it because she cant tell how a table's going to look by glancing at the code. Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
On 4/5/00, Steve Bernard penned: >WTF? What's going on here? Using a listserv to SPAM the entire CF community, >and under the weak guise of a query into the viability of HomeSite? This is >quite lame. I hope that Mike does not allow this to continue. > >Steve Steve, Why would you say that? Clinton's posted here before, and his usual posts don't seem to be SPAM. I think it was a useful post. Not like he just stopped by to post that tidbit and then be gone. :) Thanks Clinton. Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
>But when it comes to my living - the web - I need to know all the ins and >outs. I can't claim to be a professional at this unless I can understand >what's going on in the apps I produce. Bingo. I have experienced a lot of problems with Homesite though, once I made the mistake of buying a Windows 98 machine. My old P120/Win95 ran faster than this P3-500/win98 Blasted memory leaks - when Homesite 4.5 runs out of memory, it behaves VERY poorly. Skip Ogden Ocoee Broadcasting -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
I don't think I have seen a good looking site done in Front Page. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Kear Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 10:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History? Nick, how right you are. One of the biggest problems with all the wizards that make things easy for us is that they hide what's going on in the background. There's nothing wrong with that if you want to do what the wizard designer throught you'd want to do, and if nothing goes wrong. But if you want to tweak things a little, or if your environment isn't exactly what the wizard designer allowed for, then you're on your own. There's a lot of technology in my life I couldn't give a toss about how it works, just so long as it does. I don't care a damn WHY my CD plays so much better than my vinyls. As long as the VCR gets the football onto the tape, I dont care how it does it. But when it comes to my living - the web - I need to know all the ins and outs. I can't claim to be a professional at this unless I can understand what's going on in the apps I produce. So for me, hand-coding html is a must-have skill for anyone I use for my sites. That's not to say we hand code everything, just that everyone is ABLE to do it proficiently. "You can write a write a good looking site in front page? Well done, I'm impressed. Now write it using only the text editor and I'll consider doing business." Cheers, Mike Kear AFP Web Development Windsor, NSW, Australia http://www.afp.zip.com.au On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Nick McClure wrote: > It all depends on what you do. All I do is app development. We have other > people on staff who do design work only. They use Adobe Illustrator and > then open it in ImageReady or FireWorks to carve the design, but they still > hand code the HTML because that way they know more about it and it fits > within or companies coding standards. > > I don't think we will ever see products like Studio, Homesite, BBEdit, > UltraEdit, etc.. go away. > [snippety snippety snip] -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
Nick, how right you are. One of the biggest problems with all the wizards that make things easy for us is that they hide what's going on in the background. There's nothing wrong with that if you want to do what the wizard designer throught you'd want to do, and if nothing goes wrong. But if you want to tweak things a little, or if your environment isn't exactly what the wizard designer allowed for, then you're on your own. There's a lot of technology in my life I couldn't give a toss about how it works, just so long as it does. I don't care a damn WHY my CD plays so much better than my vinyls. As long as the VCR gets the football onto the tape, I dont care how it does it. But when it comes to my living - the web - I need to know all the ins and outs. I can't claim to be a professional at this unless I can understand what's going on in the apps I produce. So for me, hand-coding html is a must-have skill for anyone I use for my sites. That's not to say we hand code everything, just that everyone is ABLE to do it proficiently. "You can write a write a good looking site in front page? Well done, I'm impressed. Now write it using only the text editor and I'll consider doing business." Cheers, Mike Kear AFP Web Development Windsor, NSW, Australia http://www.afp.zip.com.au On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Nick McClure wrote: > It all depends on what you do. All I do is app development. We have other > people on staff who do design work only. They use Adobe Illustrator and > then open it in ImageReady or FireWorks to carve the design, but they still > hand code the HTML because that way they know more about it and it fits > within or companies coding standards. > > I don't think we will ever see products like Studio, Homesite, BBEdit, > UltraEdit, etc.. go away. > [snippety snippety snip] -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
It all depends on what you do. All I do is app development. We have other people on staff who do design work only. They use Adobe Illustrator and then open it in ImageReady or FireWorks to carve the design, but they still hand code the HTML because that way they know more about it and it fits within or companies coding standards. I don't think we will ever see products like Studio, Homesite, BBEdit, UltraEdit, etc.. go away. I use Studio because it is the best thing there is for coding CF/HTML. When people start using tools to build the apps and the design for them then they start to loose most of the custom functionality that developers can provide to a client. When we start telling a client that we cannot do something because or EDITOR doesn't support it instead of telling them WE cannot do that because WE don't how then we will stop pushing ourselves to learn new technologies so that we can be successful in what we do. Why would you go to a large development firm with a number of well trained/experienced developers and designers when they are using the same tool some high school kid downloaded from some ftp server somewhere and can produce the same end result for less than half the price. I have nothing against a high school kid doing development, hell I used to be one. I guess my point is fancy tools that claim to do all the work for you just don't cut it. It is one thing if that is what the client wants then that is what they can have, but there is no substitute for understanding the theory behind programming and in our case the web. At 10:36 PM 4/5/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Your not alone out there. I first started doing web development in pico and >vi so I'm still deeply entrenched in text mode editors. WSIWYG be damned! ;) > >Steve > >-Original Message- >From: Alan Wolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 10:18 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History? > > >Sounds real cool. Porbably buggy as hell. Guess I'm the last guy around >still writing raw html/cfml/asp using God Give Me Strength - Notepad or >NoteTab. > >But I know the markup language cold. > >Alan Wolf, MCSE, MCP, MCP + I >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >SAIC Frederick >PO Box B Bldg 244 >Frederick, Maryland 21702 >301-846-5479 (V) >301-846-1395 (F) > >-- >Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk >To Unsubscribe visit >http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or >send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in >the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
Alan, can I suggest that you at least look at UltraEdit (www.ultraedit.com) which as a text editor leaves notepad in the dark ages? It handles files of any size, unlimited number of files open at once, has global search and replace over all open files, colour coding of html tags (which you can specify) etc, and above all, you can configure what's open when you start it - past files? projects? most recent folders?. If has macros that can do a vast array of stuff, and while this sounds like a Microsoft brochure, its' nowhere near as hard to use as microsoft programs. And if you're into , hand coding, I reckon it's the beezneez. I use the great tools too, CFStudio, Dreamweaver et al. but I use UltraEdit all the time. Disclaimer: I have no financial or other connection with UltraEdit, except that I'm a happy customer and have been using it since version 5.2 (it's up to v7.1 now) Cheers, Mike Kear AFP Web Development Windsor, NSW, Australia http://www.afp.zip.com.au On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Alan Wolf wrote: > Sounds real cool. Porbably buggy as hell. Guess I'm the last guy around > still writing raw html/cfml/asp using God Give Me Strength - Notepad or > NoteTab. > > But I know the markup language cold. > > Alan Wolf, MCSE, MCP, MCP + I > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > SAIC Frederick > PO Box B Bldg 244 > Frederick, Maryland 21702 > 301-846-5479 (V) > 301-846-1395 (F) > - Original Message - > From: WorldNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 8:54 PM > Subject: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History? > > > > HomeSite is the best and most popular development tool around *but* is > > extremely vulnerable to the fact that developers can no longer afford to > > *not* also use a layout-page-code generator in conjunction with HomeSite > or > > ***as a total replacement*** to be 100% productive. > > > > It seems Macromedia has not been as asleep at the wheel and I wonder what > > the near future will bring...Consider this announcement from Macromedia... > > > > Macromedia announces code name UltraDev at Internet World today. > > > > What is UltraDev? > > Designed specifically for application development, UltraDev is a brand > > new product based on the Dreamweaver core architecture. UltraDev is > > the first solution to support ASP, JSP and CFML within a single design > > environment. > > > > Once UltraDev ships it will allow you to: > > > > 1. Create professional web applications > > UltraDev provides everything you need to build, manage, and deploy > > dynamic, database-driven Web applications. > > > > 2. Maintain total control over code > > UltraDev is the only product with visual and source editing for total > > control over source code. > > > > 3. Connect easily to databases > > Quickly connect existing, static web pages to any ODBC, JDBC, or ADO > > database including Oracle, Sybase, Informix, Microsoft SQL Server and > > Microsoft Access. > > > > 4. View server-side data in the workspace > > Save time and avoid repetitive tasks by viewing, testing, and editing > > live data returned from the application server in your workspace. > > > > 5. Build for industry-standard servers > > UltraDev is the only solution that lets you build ASP, JSP, and Cold > > Fusion sites in one single design environment. Build sites for robust > > industry servers like Microsoft IIS, Allaire Cold Fusion, IBM > > Websphere, BEA WebLogic, and Netscape Enterprise Server. > > > > 6. Create robust enterprise-ready Web applications > > Through extensibility, UltraDev integrates with other leading servers, > > Web applications and e-commerce solutions. > > > > > > UltraDev is NOT a replacement to Dreamweaver, it's a new standalone > > product built on the Dreamweaver core architecture. > > > > UltraDev IS the replacement to Drumbeat. Macromedia is not planning > > to rev Drumbeat. > > > > UltraDev is expected to ship in June. > > > > > > FAQ > > What is the difference between Dreamweaver and UltraDev? > > Dreamweaver is a visual design solution for creating HTML web sites. > > While Dreamweaver is open to integrating with leading web application > > servers, it is not engineered for visually creating web applications. > > UltraDev was built specifically for creating dynamic Web applications > > using technologies like ASP, JSP, and CFML. > > > > What is the price of UltraDev? > > Macromedia has not yet announced pricing for UltraDev. However, it > > will be priced competitively with other Web application development > > environments. > > > > I am a Macromedia customer and I currently develop Web applications. > > Will I be able to purchase UltraDev for a special price? > > Yes, but you must register your Macromedia product to qualify for any > > special offer. > > > > Is UltraDev an add-on to Dreamweaver? > > No, it is a new stand-alone product that is designed to meet the > > specific needs of Web application developers. > > > > Does UltraDev replace Drumbeat? > > Yes. When UltraDev sh
RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
Your not alone out there. I first started doing web development in pico and vi so I'm still deeply entrenched in text mode editors. WSIWYG be damned! ;) Steve -Original Message- From: Alan Wolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 10:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History? Sounds real cool. Porbably buggy as hell. Guess I'm the last guy around still writing raw html/cfml/asp using God Give Me Strength - Notepad or NoteTab. But I know the markup language cold. Alan Wolf, MCSE, MCP, MCP + I [EMAIL PROTECTED] SAIC Frederick PO Box B Bldg 244 Frederick, Maryland 21702 301-846-5479 (V) 301-846-1395 (F) -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
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Actually, all that info is now on the public site: http://www.macromedia.com/software/ultradev/ > Please note that this product is still under NDA from what I know -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
Sounds real cool. Porbably buggy as hell. Guess I'm the last guy around still writing raw html/cfml/asp using God Give Me Strength - Notepad or NoteTab. But I know the markup language cold. Alan Wolf, MCSE, MCP, MCP + I [EMAIL PROTECTED] SAIC Frederick PO Box B Bldg 244 Frederick, Maryland 21702 301-846-5479 (V) 301-846-1395 (F) - Original Message - From: WorldNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 8:54 PM Subject: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History? > HomeSite is the best and most popular development tool around *but* is > extremely vulnerable to the fact that developers can no longer afford to > *not* also use a layout-page-code generator in conjunction with HomeSite or > ***as a total replacement*** to be 100% productive. > > It seems Macromedia has not been as asleep at the wheel and I wonder what > the near future will bring...Consider this announcement from Macromedia... > > Macromedia announces code name UltraDev at Internet World today. > > What is UltraDev? > Designed specifically for application development, UltraDev is a brand > new product based on the Dreamweaver core architecture. UltraDev is > the first solution to support ASP, JSP and CFML within a single design > environment. > > Once UltraDev ships it will allow you to: > > 1. Create professional web applications > UltraDev provides everything you need to build, manage, and deploy > dynamic, database-driven Web applications. > > 2. Maintain total control over code > UltraDev is the only product with visual and source editing for total > control over source code. > > 3. Connect easily to databases > Quickly connect existing, static web pages to any ODBC, JDBC, or ADO > database including Oracle, Sybase, Informix, Microsoft SQL Server and > Microsoft Access. > > 4. View server-side data in the workspace > Save time and avoid repetitive tasks by viewing, testing, and editing > live data returned from the application server in your workspace. > > 5. Build for industry-standard servers > UltraDev is the only solution that lets you build ASP, JSP, and Cold > Fusion sites in one single design environment. Build sites for robust > industry servers like Microsoft IIS, Allaire Cold Fusion, IBM > Websphere, BEA WebLogic, and Netscape Enterprise Server. > > 6. Create robust enterprise-ready Web applications > Through extensibility, UltraDev integrates with other leading servers, > Web applications and e-commerce solutions. > > > UltraDev is NOT a replacement to Dreamweaver, it's a new standalone > product built on the Dreamweaver core architecture. > > UltraDev IS the replacement to Drumbeat. Macromedia is not planning > to rev Drumbeat. > > UltraDev is expected to ship in June. > > > FAQ > What is the difference between Dreamweaver and UltraDev? > Dreamweaver is a visual design solution for creating HTML web sites. > While Dreamweaver is open to integrating with leading web application > servers, it is not engineered for visually creating web applications. > UltraDev was built specifically for creating dynamic Web applications > using technologies like ASP, JSP, and CFML. > > What is the price of UltraDev? > Macromedia has not yet announced pricing for UltraDev. However, it > will be priced competitively with other Web application development > environments. > > I am a Macromedia customer and I currently develop Web applications. > Will I be able to purchase UltraDev for a special price? > Yes, but you must register your Macromedia product to qualify for any > special offer. > > Is UltraDev an add-on to Dreamweaver? > No, it is a new stand-alone product that is designed to meet the > specific needs of Web application developers. > > Does UltraDev replace Drumbeat? > Yes. When UltraDev ships it will replace Drumbeat as Macromedia's > solution for Web application development. > > Will there be an upgrade path from Drumbeat to UltraDev? > Yes, registered users of Drumbeat will be offered an upgrade at a very > competitive price. > > Will you continue to support Drumbeat? > Yes, we will continue to provide Drumbeat technical support through > the end of the year. > > Does this mean you won't be updating Drumbeat? > Correct, UltraDev replaces Drumbeat as the Macromedia solution for > creating Web applications. > > Will there be an e-commerce edition of UltraDev? > The core product will not include any e-commerce specific features, > but through the power of extensibility and our network of developers, > you will be able to easily download extensions for creating e-commerce > applications. > > Will I be able to open and edit my Drumbeat sites in UltraDev? > Yes, UltraDev reads and writes ASP, JSP, and CFML. The published pages > of your Drumbeat sites can be opened and edited. However UltraDev will > not open .edf files. > > Will my Dreamweaver sites work in UltraDev? > Dreamweaver's native file format is HTML. UltraDev reads, recognizes > and parses HTML, so there won't be any problems opening f
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Products can't be under NDA - only people who signed NDAs can be under NDAs. Products are incapable of signing contracts. Also, I have signed no such contract. Therefore it ought to be legal for me to talk about such a product whenever I want. Perhaps the original poster was under NDA, but that should hardly affect the rest of the list population. If Macromedia has a problem, they'll have to take it up with whomever violated said NDA. my 2c -Tim At 09:56 PM 00/04/05 -0400, you wrote: >Please note that this product is still under NDA from what I know and those >who are beta testing it should not be speaking about it on the list. >Anything that is under NDA should NEVER be posted to the list. The last >thing we all need is a company coming down on us for 'breaking' NDA. > That being said, let me say that any 'press releases' like this should have >a header on the subject line announcing themselves as such. > >> WTF? What's going on here? Using a listserv to SPAM the entire CF >community, >> and under the weak guise of a query into the viability of HomeSite? This >is >> quite lame. I hope that Mike does not allow this to continue. >> >> Steve >> >> -Original Message- >> From: WorldNet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 8:54 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History? >> >> >> HomeSite is the best and most popular development tool around *but* is >> extremely vulnerable to the fact that developers can no longer afford to >> *not* also use a layout-page-code generator in conjunction with HomeSite >or >> ***as a total replacement*** to be 100% productive. >> >> It seems Macromedia has not been as asleep at the wheel and I wonder what >> the near future will bring...Consider this announcement from Macromedia... >> >> Macromedia announces code name UltraDev at Internet World today. >> >> What is UltraDev? >> Designed specifically for application development, UltraDev is a brand >> new product based on the Dreamweaver core architecture. UltraDev is >> the first solution to support ASP, JSP and CFML within a single design >> environment. >> >> Once UltraDev ships it will allow you to: >> >> 1. Create professional web applications >> UltraDev provides everything you need to build, manage, and deploy >> dynamic, database-driven Web applications. >> >> 2. Maintain total control over code >> UltraDev is the only product with visual and source editing for total >> control over source code. >> >> 3. Connect easily to databases >> Quickly connect existing, static web pages to any ODBC, JDBC, or ADO >> database including Oracle, Sybase, Informix, Microsoft SQL Server and >> Microsoft Access. >> >> 4. View server-side data in the workspace >> Save time and avoid repetitive tasks by viewing, testing, and editing >> live data returned from the application server in your workspace. >> >> 5. Build for industry-standard servers >> UltraDev is the only solution that lets you build ASP, JSP, and Cold >> Fusion sites in one single design environment. Build sites for robust >> industry servers like Microsoft IIS, Allaire Cold Fusion, IBM >> Websphere, BEA WebLogic, and Netscape Enterprise Server. >> >> 6. Create robust enterprise-ready Web applications >> Through extensibility, UltraDev integrates with other leading servers, >> Web applications and e-commerce solutions. >> >> >> UltraDev is NOT a replacement to Dreamweaver, it's a new standalone >> product built on the Dreamweaver core architecture. >> >> UltraDev IS the replacement to Drumbeat. Macromedia is not planning >> to rev Drumbeat. >> >> UltraDev is expected to ship in June. >> >> >> FAQ >> What is the difference between Dreamweaver and UltraDev? >> Dreamweaver is a visual design solution for creating HTML web sites. >> While Dreamweaver is open to integrating with leading web application >> servers, it is not engineered for visually creating web applications. >> UltraDev was built specifically for creating dynamic Web applications >> using technologies like ASP, JSP, and CFML. >> >> What is the price of UltraDev? >> Macromedia has not yet announced pricing for UltraDev. However, it >> will be priced competitively with other Web application development >> environments. >> >> I am a Macromedia customer and I currently develop Web applications. >> Will I be able to purchase UltraDev for a special price? >> Yes, but you must register your Macromedia product to qualify for any >> special offer. >> >> Is UltraDev an add-on to Dreamweaver? >> No, it is a new stand-alone product that is designed to meet the >> specific needs of Web application developers. >> >> Does UltraDev replace Drumbeat? >> Yes. When UltraDev ships it will replace Drumbeat as Macromedia's >> solution for Web application development. >> >> Will there be an upgrade path from Drumbeat to UltraDev? >> Yes, registered users of Drumbeat will be offered an upgrade at a very >> competitive price. >> >> Will you continue to support Drumbeat? >> Yes, we wi
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Please note that this product is still under NDA from what I know and those who are beta testing it should not be speaking about it on the list. Anything that is under NDA should NEVER be posted to the list. The last thing we all need is a company coming down on us for 'breaking' NDA. That being said, let me say that any 'press releases' like this should have a header on the subject line announcing themselves as such. > WTF? What's going on here? Using a listserv to SPAM the entire CF community, > and under the weak guise of a query into the viability of HomeSite? This is > quite lame. I hope that Mike does not allow this to continue. > > Steve > > -Original Message- > From: WorldNet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 8:54 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History? > > > HomeSite is the best and most popular development tool around *but* is > extremely vulnerable to the fact that developers can no longer afford to > *not* also use a layout-page-code generator in conjunction with HomeSite or > ***as a total replacement*** to be 100% productive. > > It seems Macromedia has not been as asleep at the wheel and I wonder what > the near future will bring...Consider this announcement from Macromedia... > > Macromedia announces code name UltraDev at Internet World today. > > What is UltraDev? > Designed specifically for application development, UltraDev is a brand > new product based on the Dreamweaver core architecture. UltraDev is > the first solution to support ASP, JSP and CFML within a single design > environment. > > Once UltraDev ships it will allow you to: > > 1. Create professional web applications > UltraDev provides everything you need to build, manage, and deploy > dynamic, database-driven Web applications. > > 2. Maintain total control over code > UltraDev is the only product with visual and source editing for total > control over source code. > > 3. Connect easily to databases > Quickly connect existing, static web pages to any ODBC, JDBC, or ADO > database including Oracle, Sybase, Informix, Microsoft SQL Server and > Microsoft Access. > > 4. View server-side data in the workspace > Save time and avoid repetitive tasks by viewing, testing, and editing > live data returned from the application server in your workspace. > > 5. Build for industry-standard servers > UltraDev is the only solution that lets you build ASP, JSP, and Cold > Fusion sites in one single design environment. Build sites for robust > industry servers like Microsoft IIS, Allaire Cold Fusion, IBM > Websphere, BEA WebLogic, and Netscape Enterprise Server. > > 6. Create robust enterprise-ready Web applications > Through extensibility, UltraDev integrates with other leading servers, > Web applications and e-commerce solutions. > > > UltraDev is NOT a replacement to Dreamweaver, it's a new standalone > product built on the Dreamweaver core architecture. > > UltraDev IS the replacement to Drumbeat. Macromedia is not planning > to rev Drumbeat. > > UltraDev is expected to ship in June. > > > FAQ > What is the difference between Dreamweaver and UltraDev? > Dreamweaver is a visual design solution for creating HTML web sites. > While Dreamweaver is open to integrating with leading web application > servers, it is not engineered for visually creating web applications. > UltraDev was built specifically for creating dynamic Web applications > using technologies like ASP, JSP, and CFML. > > What is the price of UltraDev? > Macromedia has not yet announced pricing for UltraDev. However, it > will be priced competitively with other Web application development > environments. > > I am a Macromedia customer and I currently develop Web applications. > Will I be able to purchase UltraDev for a special price? > Yes, but you must register your Macromedia product to qualify for any > special offer. > > Is UltraDev an add-on to Dreamweaver? > No, it is a new stand-alone product that is designed to meet the > specific needs of Web application developers. > > Does UltraDev replace Drumbeat? > Yes. When UltraDev ships it will replace Drumbeat as Macromedia's > solution for Web application development. > > Will there be an upgrade path from Drumbeat to UltraDev? > Yes, registered users of Drumbeat will be offered an upgrade at a very > competitive price. > > Will you continue to support Drumbeat? > Yes, we will continue to provide Drumbeat technical support through > the end of the year. > > Does this mean you won't be updating Drumbeat? > Correct, UltraDev replaces Drumbeat as the Macromedia solution for > creating Web applications. > > Will there be an e-commerce edition of UltraDev? > The core product will not include any e-commerce specific features, > but through the power of extensibility and our network of developers, > you will be able to easily download extensions for creating e-commerce > applications. > > Will I be able to open and edit my Drumbeat sites in UltraDev? > Yes, UltraDev reads and
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Stephen, Stop by and visit our booth at Internet World too. Tell'em I sent you. Duane (from Ektron) -Original Message- From: Steve Aylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 9:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History? Well, unless this app provides a significant improvement over Drumbeat's UI, I wouldnt worry too much about the fate of Homesite or Studio. Or at least worry about a mass exodus of developers un-installing HS and CF Studio in favor Ultra Dev. Sounds like a good marketing piece though. One more booth to add to the list for fridays visit to I-World. Stephen M. Aylor Aylor Insurance Agency, Inc. "Specialized Insurance for IT - We Cover IT" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 949.581.2333 (v) 949.581.2814 (f) -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
Stephen, Stop by and visit our booth at Internet World. Tell'em I sent you. Duane (from Ektron) -Original Message- From: Steve Aylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 9:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History? Well, unless this app provides a significant improvement over Drumbeat's UI, I wouldnt worry too much about the fate of Homesite or Studio. Or at least worry about a mass exodus of developers un-installing HS and CF Studio in favor Ultra Dev. Sounds like a good marketing piece though. One more booth to add to the list for fridays visit to I-World. Stephen M. Aylor Aylor Insurance Agency, Inc. "Specialized Insurance for IT - We Cover IT" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 949.581.2333 (v) 949.581.2814 (f) -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
Well, unless this app provides a significant improvement over Drumbeat's UI, I wouldnt worry too much about the fate of Homesite or Studio. Or at least worry about a mass exodus of developers un-installing HS and CF Studio in favor Ultra Dev. Sounds like a good marketing piece though. One more booth to add to the list for fridays visit to I-World. Stephen M. Aylor Aylor Insurance Agency, Inc. "Specialized Insurance for IT - We Cover IT" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 949.581.2333 (v) 949.581.2814 (f) -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
WTF? What's going on here? Using a listserv to SPAM the entire CF community, and under the weak guise of a query into the viability of HomeSite? This is quite lame. I hope that Mike does not allow this to continue. Steve -Original Message- From: WorldNet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 8:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History? HomeSite is the best and most popular development tool around *but* is extremely vulnerable to the fact that developers can no longer afford to *not* also use a layout-page-code generator in conjunction with HomeSite or ***as a total replacement*** to be 100% productive. It seems Macromedia has not been as asleep at the wheel and I wonder what the near future will bring...Consider this announcement from Macromedia... Macromedia announces code name UltraDev at Internet World today. What is UltraDev? Designed specifically for application development, UltraDev is a brand new product based on the Dreamweaver core architecture. UltraDev is the first solution to support ASP, JSP and CFML within a single design environment. Once UltraDev ships it will allow you to: 1. Create professional web applications UltraDev provides everything you need to build, manage, and deploy dynamic, database-driven Web applications. 2. Maintain total control over code UltraDev is the only product with visual and source editing for total control over source code. 3. Connect easily to databases Quickly connect existing, static web pages to any ODBC, JDBC, or ADO database including Oracle, Sybase, Informix, Microsoft SQL Server and Microsoft Access. 4. View server-side data in the workspace Save time and avoid repetitive tasks by viewing, testing, and editing live data returned from the application server in your workspace. 5. Build for industry-standard servers UltraDev is the only solution that lets you build ASP, JSP, and Cold Fusion sites in one single design environment. Build sites for robust industry servers like Microsoft IIS, Allaire Cold Fusion, IBM Websphere, BEA WebLogic, and Netscape Enterprise Server. 6. Create robust enterprise-ready Web applications Through extensibility, UltraDev integrates with other leading servers, Web applications and e-commerce solutions. UltraDev is NOT a replacement to Dreamweaver, it's a new standalone product built on the Dreamweaver core architecture. UltraDev IS the replacement to Drumbeat. Macromedia is not planning to rev Drumbeat. UltraDev is expected to ship in June. FAQ What is the difference between Dreamweaver and UltraDev? Dreamweaver is a visual design solution for creating HTML web sites. While Dreamweaver is open to integrating with leading web application servers, it is not engineered for visually creating web applications. UltraDev was built specifically for creating dynamic Web applications using technologies like ASP, JSP, and CFML. What is the price of UltraDev? Macromedia has not yet announced pricing for UltraDev. However, it will be priced competitively with other Web application development environments. I am a Macromedia customer and I currently develop Web applications. Will I be able to purchase UltraDev for a special price? Yes, but you must register your Macromedia product to qualify for any special offer. Is UltraDev an add-on to Dreamweaver? No, it is a new stand-alone product that is designed to meet the specific needs of Web application developers. Does UltraDev replace Drumbeat? Yes. When UltraDev ships it will replace Drumbeat as Macromedia's solution for Web application development. Will there be an upgrade path from Drumbeat to UltraDev? Yes, registered users of Drumbeat will be offered an upgrade at a very competitive price. Will you continue to support Drumbeat? Yes, we will continue to provide Drumbeat technical support through the end of the year. Does this mean you won't be updating Drumbeat? Correct, UltraDev replaces Drumbeat as the Macromedia solution for creating Web applications. Will there be an e-commerce edition of UltraDev? The core product will not include any e-commerce specific features, but through the power of extensibility and our network of developers, you will be able to easily download extensions for creating e-commerce applications. Will I be able to open and edit my Drumbeat sites in UltraDev? Yes, UltraDev reads and writes ASP, JSP, and CFML. The published pages of your Drumbeat sites can be opened and edited. However UltraDev will not open .edf files. Will my Dreamweaver sites work in UltraDev? Dreamweaver's native file format is HTML. UltraDev reads, recognizes and parses HTML, so there won't be any problems opening files built in Dreamweaver or any other application like Cold Fusion Studio, FrontPage, and HomeSite. When will UltraDev be available? UltraDev is expected to be available in June 2000. I just bought Drumbeat, do I qualify for a free upgrade to UltraDev? Customers who buy Drumbeat after April 5, 2000 qualify fo
RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
> What platforms will UltraDev support? > When UltraDev ships, it will be simultaneously available for Mac OS > 8.6 or greater and Windows 95, 98, NT, and 2000. Hey, cool. CF Dev on my Mac without (hopefully) jumping through hoops. Ken -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
As far as I am aware, Homesite is not about to be dropped. Allaire's next major version of Homesite will be, apparently, a big overhaul, with a lot of improved layout control. Nick At 19:54 5/04/00 -0500, you wrote: >HomeSite is the best and most popular development tool around *but* is >extremely vulnerable to the fact that developers can no longer afford to >*not* also use a layout-page-code generator in conjunction with HomeSite or >***as a total replacement*** to be 100% productive. > >It seems Macromedia has not been as asleep at the wheel and I wonder what >the near future will bring...Consider this announcement from Macromedia... > >Macromedia announces code name UltraDev at Internet World today. > >What is UltraDev? >Designed specifically for application development, UltraDev is a brand >new product based on the Dreamweaver core architecture. UltraDev is >the first solution to support ASP, JSP and CFML within a single design >environment. > >Once UltraDev ships it will allow you to: > >1. Create professional web applications >UltraDev provides everything you need to build, manage, and deploy >dynamic, database-driven Web applications. > >2. Maintain total control over code >UltraDev is the only product with visual and source editing for total >control over source code. > >3. Connect easily to databases >Quickly connect existing, static web pages to any ODBC, JDBC, or ADO >database including Oracle, Sybase, Informix, Microsoft SQL Server and >Microsoft Access. > >4. View server-side data in the workspace >Save time and avoid repetitive tasks by viewing, testing, and editing >live data returned from the application server in your workspace. > >5. Build for industry-standard servers >UltraDev is the only solution that lets you build ASP, JSP, and Cold >Fusion sites in one single design environment. Build sites for robust >industry servers like Microsoft IIS, Allaire Cold Fusion, IBM >Websphere, BEA WebLogic, and Netscape Enterprise Server. > >6. Create robust enterprise-ready Web applications >Through extensibility, UltraDev integrates with other leading servers, >Web applications and e-commerce solutions. > > > UltraDev is NOT a replacement to Dreamweaver, it's a new standalone >product built on the Dreamweaver core architecture. > >UltraDev IS the replacement to Drumbeat. Macromedia is not planning >to rev Drumbeat. > >UltraDev is expected to ship in June. > > >FAQ >What is the difference between Dreamweaver and UltraDev? >Dreamweaver is a visual design solution for creating HTML web sites. >While Dreamweaver is open to integrating with leading web application >servers, it is not engineered for visually creating web applications. >UltraDev was built specifically for creating dynamic Web applications >using technologies like ASP, JSP, and CFML. > >What is the price of UltraDev? >Macromedia has not yet announced pricing for UltraDev. However, it >will be priced competitively with other Web application development >environments. > >I am a Macromedia customer and I currently develop Web applications. >Will I be able to purchase UltraDev for a special price? >Yes, but you must register your Macromedia product to qualify for any >special offer. > >Is UltraDev an add-on to Dreamweaver? >No, it is a new stand-alone product that is designed to meet the >specific needs of Web application developers. > >Does UltraDev replace Drumbeat? >Yes. When UltraDev ships it will replace Drumbeat as Macromedia's >solution for Web application development. > >Will there be an upgrade path from Drumbeat to UltraDev? >Yes, registered users of Drumbeat will be offered an upgrade at a very >competitive price. > >Will you continue to support Drumbeat? >Yes, we will continue to provide Drumbeat technical support through >the end of the year. > >Does this mean you won't be updating Drumbeat? >Correct, UltraDev replaces Drumbeat as the Macromedia solution for >creating Web applications. > >Will there be an e-commerce edition of UltraDev? >The core product will not include any e-commerce specific features, >but through the power of extensibility and our network of developers, >you will be able to easily download extensions for creating e-commerce >applications. > >Will I be able to open and edit my Drumbeat sites in UltraDev? >Yes, UltraDev reads and writes ASP, JSP, and CFML. The published pages >of your Drumbeat sites can be opened and edited. However UltraDev will >not open .edf files. > >Will my Dreamweaver sites work in UltraDev? >Dreamweaver's native file format is HTML. UltraDev reads, recognizes >and parses HTML, so there won't be any problems opening files built in >Dreamweaver or any other application like Cold Fusion Studio, >FrontPage, and HomeSite. > >When will UltraDev be available? >UltraDev is expected to be available in June 2000. > >I just bought Drumbeat, do I qualify for a free upgrade to UltraDev? >Customers who buy Drumbeat after April 5, 2000 qualify for a free >upgrade to UltraDev when it becomes
