RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
Known Netscape 6 bug list. http://www.richinstyle.com/bugs/mozilla.html I just got a phone call from Rentokill about my Netscape 6 installation hehehehe Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!! [OT]
on 11/16/00 8:57 AM, Scott, Andrew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would consider Web Design easy, because it actually is. However its when you wish to start to do application development that it becomes harder. I disagree with this statement. GOOD web design is not easy and the way in which you dismiss HTML design as somehow inferior to application design smacks of snobbery. It takes a great deal of knowledge about visual design, technical HTML issues, browser foibles, and usability design. to produce a good website. In my experience most programmers are poor web designers and vice versa. It is a rare find when you come across someone who can do both well. Sure you can whack out a quick site with Frontpage but it will not be a *good* site. There are very many poor web sites out there. -- Rob Keniger big bang solutions mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigbang.net.au Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
In case it helps anyone, this is the resource that I used to make my stuff work in N6 as well as the other two: http://sites.netscape.net/ekrock/standards.html It tells you everything you need to know about what N6 *deliberately* won't handle. Doesn't help you with the N6 bugs of course. These 2 are also interesting readable but I don't think they add anything to what's in the first one: http://developer.netscape.com/viewsource/goodman_cross/goodman_cross.htm http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/00/04/index1a.html?tw=authoring And this is the actual W3C DOM spec as specialised for HTML documents: http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-DOM/level-one-html.html HTH Nick ** Information in this email is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your system. You should not otherwise copy it, retransmit it or use or disclose its contents to anyone. Thank you for your co-operation. ** Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!! [OT]
Rob, I agree with your comments, but after looking at your company website (home page and contact us only?) I wonder whether you are putting your thoughts into actions.. Nick Betts. -Original Message- From: Rob Keniger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 16 November 2000 09:52 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Netscape 6 out UGH [OT] on 11/16/00 8:57 AM, Scott, Andrew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would consider Web Design easy, because it actually is. However its when you wish to start to do application development that it becomes harder. I disagree with this statement. GOOD web design is not easy and the way in which you dismiss HTML design as somehow inferior to application design smacks of snobbery. It takes a great deal of knowledge about visual design, technical HTML issues, browser foibles, and usability design. to produce a good website. In my experience most programmers are poor web designers and vice versa. It is a rare find when you come across someone who can do both well. Sure you can whack out a quick site with Frontpage but it will not be a *good* site. There are very many poor web sites out there. -- Rob Keniger big bang solutions mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigbang.net.au Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!! [OT]
on 11/16/00 8:39 PM, Nick Betts at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, I agree with your comments, but after looking at your company website (home page and contact us only?) I wonder whether you are putting your thoughts into actions.. You are, of course, free to assume what you like. -- Rob Keniger big bang solutions mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigbang.net.au Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
That should be products not shopping. Sorry brain fart, oh and by the way I did not design this an outside firm did, I definitely would have coded it different but that's what we have now and it works. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH Go to www.dixonusa.com then click no flash then click shopping. That little application works perfect in IE 4-5 and Netscape 4.7 not 6 Bob -Original Message- From: Gavin Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH I just downloaded N6 and didn't really see anything wrong with it so far. It has better support for CSS (a: hover works finally). But as of yet (last 30 minutes) i haven't seen any mission critical things with it yet. Does anyone have any specific examples of things that don't work like they used to? Like when using js what doesn't work, or websites that used to work in other browsers that don't in n6? thanks, Gavin Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
In case it helps anyone, this is the resource that I used to make my stuff work in N6 as well as the other two: Thanks. Benjamin S. Rogers Web Developer, c4.net voice: (508) 240-0051 fax: (508) 240-0057 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!! - i cant get to load, anyone else?
i've tried four installations and still i can't netscape 6 to load. it installs fine. but when i launch it, it displays the the splash screen that says "Netscape 6", the java console loads in my system tray, and that's all that happens. the process continues to run (using no CPU) until i end it with Task Manager. has anyone else had this problem? i'm very eager to see how complient our software is with Netscape 6, but it helps it would help if i could actually get Netscape 6 to run on my machine. (FYI, me = Windows 2000) -mike Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebarRsts or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
http://developer.netscape.com/docs/technote/dynhtml/collapse/index.html The example DHTML code on this page in netscape's site doesn't work in Netscape 6. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Simon Park Computer Systems Management, Inc. Ph: 703-823-4300 x119 205 South Whiting Street #201 fax: 703-823-4301 Alexandria, VA 22304 http://www.csmi.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
Known Netscape 6 bug list. http://www.richinstyle.com/bugs/mozilla.html jon - Original Message - From: "Robert Everland" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:04 AM Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH That should be products not shopping. Sorry brain fart, oh and by the way I did not design this an outside firm did, I definitely would have coded it different but that's what we have now and it works. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH Go to www.dixonusa.com then click no flash then click shopping. That little application works perfect in IE 4-5 and Netscape 4.7 not 6 Bob -Original Message- From: Gavin Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH I just downloaded N6 and didn't really see anything wrong with it so far. It has better support for CSS (a: hover works finally). But as of yet (last 30 minutes) i haven't seen any mission critical things with it yet. Does anyone have any specific examples of things that don't work like they used to? Like when using js what doesn't work, or websites that used to work in other browsers that don't in n6? thanks, Gavin -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
Yeah it sucks bad! - Original Message - From: "Jon Hall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Netscape 6 out UGH Known Netscape 6 bug list. http://www.richinstyle.com/bugs/mozilla.html jon - Original Message - From: "Robert Everland" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:04 AM Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH That should be products not shopping. Sorry brain fart, oh and by the way I did not design this an outside firm did, I definitely would have coded it different but that's what we have now and it works. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH Go to www.dixonusa.com then click no flash then click shopping. That little application works perfect in IE 4-5 and Netscape 4.7 not 6 Bob -Original Message- From: Gavin Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH I just downloaded N6 and didn't really see anything wrong with it so far. It has better support for CSS (a: hover works finally). But as of yet (last 30 minutes) i haven't seen any mission critical things with it yet. Does anyone have any specific examples of things that don't work like they used to? Like when using js what doesn't work, or websites that used to work in other browsers that don't in n6? thanks, Gavin -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at https://secure.houseoffusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
I have basic Javascript in my browser that works completely fine in Netscape 4.7. Now Netscape 6 comes out and it doesn't work, what is up with that. I think there are a couple of different issues here. Firstly, the main reason JS written for NN4.7 won't work in N6 is that NN4.7 is *hideously* non-standards-compliant. In fact IE 5.x is fairly non-compliant as well, though not nearly as badly. Whereas N6 does actually try to implement the W3C Document Object Model. It was always going to be the case that when W3C DOM-compliant browsers came out - and this is the first real attempt at that - we would all have to do a lot of re-coding. However, the second issue is that Netscape have completely forked it up and this is a very poor piece of software. I first hit this issue back in August when some bright spark at a client of mine told his boss just as they were about to launch the site, "Hey! Panic! The DHTML doesn't work on Netscape 6! That consultant must have been writing non-standard code!" Even after a bit of "re-education", my relationship with that client is not back to what it was before, and I don't thank Netscape for that. Nick ** Information in this email is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your system. You should not otherwise copy it, retransmit it or use or disclose its contents to anyone. Thank you for your co-operation. ** Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: Re: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
Isn't that a bit like riding a bicycle instead of owning a car, because a car may break down. I personally use IE, because it does more. if oyu look at netscape 6 they have obviously been looking to catch up to the goodies available in IE. Now what will you do, stay with the old version on netscape? Actually i lied i don't use IE i'm a Neoplanet man (a skin to IE5.0) maybe we need a recount Mike Cartier #code.monkey# ** Original Subject: Re: Netscape 6 out UGH ** Original Sender: "Justin Scott" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Original Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:05:45 -0500 ** Original Message follows... IE, while not everyone's most favorite, actually does tolerate developers more. It allows for errors. Figures out what you were most likely trying to do. Netscape doesn't allow for that as much. But if you do exactly what it had intended, then it could very well work better than IE. For me, this is the exact reason I stay with Netscape as my primary browser. By coding all my HTML and JavaScript for Netscape first, it's much more likely to work in IE with no problems than if I did the HTML in IE first and then tried to make it work in Netscape also. There are some situations where this is not the case, but 99% of the time it saves me hours of development time because I never have to go back and rewrite half my HTML/JavaScript to make it compatible with both browsers. Our entire development team (except me) uses IE as the primary browser, and I can't even begin to count the number of times I've heard "!@#$%^* Netscape!!" come from someone's desk because they thought the site they've been working on for days or weeks was done, but low and behold the display gets all screwy in Netscape and they have to spend another day fixing it. I see Netscape as the HTML equivalent to coding with "Strict Attribute Validation" turned on g. ___ Justin Scott :: [Staff Developer] http://www.annex.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** - End Original Message --- ** Change is the only constant Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
Whenever I'm sitting fretting over something tricky that isn't working after 3 hours of working on it, I'm reminded of a sage word of wisdom my father told me ... "No one pays big money for something any fool could do!" hmm apparently you haven't been following the US election very closely :) Change is the only constant Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
- Original Message - From: "Scott, Andrew" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:42 PM Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH Correct me if I am wrong, but mozilla being the very first offical browser. Has set the standard others have to face and is where the w3c use to filter the standards across the board. I think you mean Mosaic, which was one of the first browsers (anyone remember Cello?), Mosaic was free but was customised and improved by several companies including spyglass whose browser later became MS Internet Explorer. Mosaic was programmed by Marc Andresson (sp?) who later became a founder of Netscape, when the Netscape browser went open source the working/code title of the new browser was Mozilla - this is also known as Netscape 6 although anybody can use the rendering engine to build their own browser. As far as Netscape 6 having JavaScript problems, they are almost certainly caused by code which doesn't conform to standards, it is supposed to be the most standards compliant browser ever - although until all the reviews and tests are done I will reserve judgement ;) Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
I guess it all depends on target market, who the site is developed for example, building an intranet i know for a fact that everyone in the office will be using ie, so it doesnt matter what it looks like on netscape building a website for a company in the middle of farmland may require me to create a website geared towards IE 3+ and NN 4+ @ 640 x 480 because who knows what sort of computers they will be using building a website for a company that sells software at the 400k level may require me to design it for high bandwith companies, 800 x 600 because companies with 56k modems probally wont be interested it all breaks down to who the website is for this is still a great reference: http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2000/November/browser.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 12:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: re: Re: Netscape 6 out UGH Isn't that a bit like riding a bicycle instead of owning a car, because a car may break down. I personally use IE, because it does more. if oyu look at netscape 6 they have obviously been looking to catch up to the goodies available in IE. Now what will you do, stay with the old version on netscape? Actually i lied i don't use IE i'm a Neoplanet man (a skin to IE5.0) maybe we need a recount Mike Cartier #code.monkey# ** Original Subject: Re: Netscape 6 out UGH ** Original Sender: "Justin Scott" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Original Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:05:45 -0500 ** Original Message follows... IE, while not everyone's most favorite, actually does tolerate developers more. It allows for errors. Figures out what you were most likely trying to do. Netscape doesn't allow for that as much. But if you do exactly what it had intended, then it could very well work better than IE. For me, this is the exact reason I stay with Netscape as my primary browser. By coding all my HTML and JavaScript for Netscape first, it's much more likely to work in IE with no problems than if I did the HTML in IE first and then tried to make it work in Netscape also. There are some situations where this is not the case, but 99% of the time it saves me hours of development time because I never have to go back and rewrite half my HTML/JavaScript to make it compatible with both browsers. Our entire development team (except me) uses IE as the primary browser, and I can't even begin to count the number of times I've heard "!@#$%^* Netscape!!" come from someone's desk because they thought the site they've been working on for days or weeks was done, but low and behold the display gets all screwy in Netscape and they have to spend another day fixing it. I see Netscape as the HTML equivalent to coding with "Strict Attribute Validation" turned on g. ___ Justin Scott :: [Staff Developer] http://www.annex.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** - End Original Message --- ** Change is the only constant Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
I disagree with this so much! I am confident that my skills to do advanced programming and integration of the newest technologies can make a web site much more powerful than any "web tool for dummies." I don't base my "job security" on the fact that I know a list of annoying little problems that I can avoid quicker than a 13 year old! It would be a pleasure if web browsers were consistent enough that everything worked reliably the first time. Then let the 13 year olds take all the little mom-and-pop web sites that only need HTML and the very basic 'shopping cart'. That level of design SHOULDNT NEED rocket scientists! The fact that it does is a shame. At 04:05 PM 11/15/00 +1100, Michael Kear wrote: Well I for one am thankful that it's not a piece of cake to develop reliable websites. If it was easy, there'd be a FrontPage that works fine, and we'd be besieged with 13 year old school kids taking business from us here highly qualified professionals. Whenever I'm sitting fretting over something tricky that isn't working after 3 hours of working on it, I'm reminded of a sage word of wisdom my father told me ... "No one pays big money for something any fool could do!" Nope. It takes a special kind of fool to do this web site stuff. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Web Development http://www.afp.zip.com.au On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Scott, Andrew wrote: *lol* Well we can all wish/hope for miracles! regards Andrew Scott Senior Cold Fusion Application Developer ANZ eCommerce Centre * Ph 9273 0693 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2000 08:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH Does any of this really matter? All that they should care about is if there browser conforms the W3C specifications so I can count on things to work how they are suppose to. Not how they are suppose to according to Microsoft or Netscape or any other browser. I thought that's what the whole point of the W3C. I just always thought Microsoft did a better job at conforming to these standards then Netscape. Rick -Original Message- From: Raymond K. Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH IE is based off of Mozilla? Did I wake up on another planet today? As far as I know, thats _defintely_ not the case. (Although I prefer IE over Netscape as you do.) === Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Allaire Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN : 3679482 "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean you have to hate it. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Peter Theobald, Chief Technology Officer LiquidStreaming http://www.liquidstreaming.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone 1.212.545.1232 x204 Fax 1.212.545.0938 To put this contact information into your Palm device, click here: http://www.coola.com/cgi-bin/addinfo.cgi?pid=15803rid=972879910type=A Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
I disagree with this mentality completely. All browsers should be standards compliant so that us developers can spend more time doing the things we are really paid to do: develop kick-ass web-based APPLICATIONS. Spending hours tweaking this and that and making compromises to achieve some semblance of cross-browser display compatibility is NOT why I am in this business. Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/14/00 09:05PM Well I for one am thankful that it's not a piece of cake to develop reliable websites. If it was easy, there'd be a FrontPage that works fine, and we'd be besieged with 13 year old school kids taking business from us here highly qualified professionals. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
Has anyone noticed that when downloading netscape from IE (I know it seems a bit wierd), it says: - You are currently using Internet Explorer 5.5 There is an upgrade available Netscape 6 Download Now - Hmm... Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2000 15:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Netscape 6 out UGH - Original Message - From: "Scott, Andrew" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:42 PM Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH Correct me if I am wrong, but mozilla being the very first offical browser. Has set the standard others have to face and is where the w3c use to filter the standards across the board. I think you mean Mosaic, which was one of the first browsers (anyone remember Cello?), Mosaic was free but was customised and improved by several companies including spyglass whose browser later became MS Internet Explorer. Mosaic was programmed by Marc Andresson (sp?) who later became a founder of Netscape, when the Netscape browser went open source the working/code title of the new browser was Mozilla - this is also known as Netscape 6 although anybody can use the rendering engine to build their own browser. As far as Netscape 6 having JavaScript problems, they are almost certainly caused by code which doesn't conform to standards, it is supposed to be the most standards compliant browser ever - although until all the reviews and tests are done I will reserve judgement ;) -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
My main question is: is there anyway to download the entire thing at once? (I hate these stupid internet setup programs that are starting to be popular. You can't save the thing to cdr or share to setup on intranet machines.) --min Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I just cannot stand Nutscrape. Once upon a time, I rooted for them as the underdog to M$. But the browser was outpaced by M$, and the browser war was won. Over. End of story. Shortly thereafter, another soon-to-be monopoly (AOL) bought Nutscrape, and its destiny was charted to certain suckiness. Netscape was just another advertising platform for AOHELL (like ICQ). That is when I decided to seriously consider abandoning worry of cross-browser compatibility. I agree with the other post that mentioned that ALL browsers should be W3C compliant. AOL should spend less time squeezing ads into Netcenter and more time fixing their browser. It surprises me that Sun would not come to the rescue of AOHELL and help them with their JavaScript implementation. Boardwatch Magazine had a great new tagline for AOL: "You're so easy to use, no wonder we are number one" my 2 cents. :) John McKown, VP Business Services Delaware.Net, Inc. 30 Old Rudnick Lane, Suite 200 Dover, DE 19901 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 302-736-5515 fax: 302-736-5945 icq: 1495432 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 10:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Netscape 6 out UGH - Original Message - From: "Scott, Andrew" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:42 PM Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH Correct me if I am wrong, but mozilla being the very first offical browser. Has set the standard others have to face and is where the w3c use to filter the standards across the board. I think you mean Mosaic, which was one of the first browsers (anyone remember Cello?), Mosaic was free but was customised and improved by several companies including spyglass whose browser later became MS Internet Explorer. Mosaic was programmed by Marc Andresson (sp?) who later became a founder of Netscape, when the Netscape browser went open source the working/code title of the new browser was Mozilla - this is also known as Netscape 6 although anybody can use the rendering engine to build their own browser. As far as Netscape 6 having JavaScript problems, they are almost certainly caused by code which doesn't conform to standards, it is supposed to be the most standards compliant browser ever - although until all the reviews and tests are done I will reserve judgement ;) -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Our observations are similar to Nicks. All of the issue we had with Netscape 6 ended up being our not adhering 100% to the standards. Both Netscape 4.X and IE 5 let much not-compliant code pass. To echo others from the list, the compliance CSS and DOM plus bug fixes for things in 4.X which drove us nuts, is a definate plus not matter what you think of the company and product. But all of this is rather moot since it will be in the hands of millions of surfers. You will need to support it whether you like it or not. My recommendation is bite the bullet, make the code comply with the standards and you will be none the worse for wear - you are going to have to do it sometime. Lanny Udey Associate Dean Learning and Information Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, November 15, 2000 I have basic Javascript in my browser that works completely fine in Netscape 4.7. Now Netscape 6 comes out and it doesn't work, what is up with that. I think there are a couple of different issues here. Firstly, the main reason JS written for NN4.7 won't work in N6 is that NN4.7 is *hideously* non-standards-compliant. In fact IE 5.x is fairly non-compliant as well, though not nearly as badly. Whereas N6 does actually try to implement the W3C Document Object Model. It was always going to be the case that when W3C DOM-compliant browsers came out - and this is the first real attempt at that - we would all have to do a lot of re-coding. However, the second issue is that Netscape have completely forked it up and this is a very poor piece of software. I first hit this issue back in August when some bright spark at a client of mine told his boss just as they were about to launch the site, "Hey! Panic! The DHTML doesn't work on Netscape 6! That consultant must have been writing non-standard code!" Even after a bit of "re-education", my relationship with that client is not back to what it was before, and I don't thank Netscape for that. Nick ** Information in this email is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your system. You should not otherwise copy it, retransmit it or use or disclose its contents to anyone. Thank you for your co-operation. ** Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, there is an option on the downloader that will put all the install files to disk and it will then check for their existence on disk first which means you can still burn it to cdr etc. :-) They are like .xpi files on windows machines. Jeremy -Original Message- From: lsellers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH My main question is: is there anyway to download the entire thing at once? (I hate these stupid internet setup programs that are starting to be popular. You can't save the thing to cdr or share to setup on intranet machines.) --min Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It gives you an option to save the setup files to disk. You should be able to copy those to a CD and do an install from the CD. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 10:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH My main question is: is there anyway to download the entire thing at once? (I hate these stupid internet setup programs that are starting to be popular. You can't save the thing to cdr or share to setup on intranet machines.) --min Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Any one else have trouble running it? I d/loaded and installed it fine, but It crashes on startup! I even uninstalled it, then reinstalled it and it still crashes! I'm not impressed. Jeff Fongemie -Original Message- From: lsellers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH My main question is: is there anyway to download the entire thing at once? (I hate these stupid internet setup programs that are starting to be popular. You can't save the thing to cdr or share to setup on intranet machines.) --min Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah, go to the Ftp site: ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6.0/windows/win32/sea/N6Setup.e xe I had to do some prodding to find it, but it does work. The download is 25MBs. -Dan -Original Message- From: lsellers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH My main question is: is there anyway to download the entire thing at once? (I hate these stupid internet setup programs that are starting to be popular. You can't save the thing to cdr or share to setup on intranet machines.) --min Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If you go to ftp.netscape.com you can download the whole thing, found it by accident. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH My main question is: is there anyway to download the entire thing at once? (I hate these stupid internet setup programs that are starting to be popular. You can't save the thing to cdr or share to setup on intranet machines.) --min Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I just downloaded N6 and didn't really see anything wrong with it so far. It has better support for CSS (a: hover works finally). But as of yet (last 30 minutes) i haven't seen any mission critical things with it yet. Does anyone have any specific examples of things that don't work like they used to? Like when using js what doesn't work, or websites that used to work in other browsers that don't in n6? thanks, Gavin Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, go to their FTP site: ftp.netscape.com it's under the 'pub' directory. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH My main question is: is there anyway to download the entire thing at once? (I hate these stupid internet setup programs that are starting to be popular. You can't save the thing to cdr or share to setup on intranet machines.) --min Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I installed it on 3 different PCs. I can't get it to work at all on one, it just GPFs and dies. I've tried reinstalling, deleting all the files and registry settings, reinstalling again, etc, etc. Still no go. The second PC wouldn't work the first time I installed it, similar problem, no GPFs, but it would hang and would never load. A second reinstall fixed the problem. Finally the third PC I installed it to, it work the first time. So, you're not the only one that's had problems with it. -Dan -Original Message- From: Jeff Fongemie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 1:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH Any one else have trouble running it? I d/loaded and installed it fine, but It crashes on startup! I even uninstalled it, then reinstalled it and it still crashes! I'm not impressed. Jeff Fongemie -Original Message- From: lsellers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH My main question is: is there anyway to download the entire thing at once? (I hate these stupid internet setup programs that are starting to be popular. You can't save the thing to cdr or share to setup on intranet machines.) --min Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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there is a 25 meg file at ftp://ftp.netscape.com//pub/netscape6/english/6.0/windows/win32/sea/N6Setup. exe that should be the full install as far as I can tell Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message- From: Gavin Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH snip Does anyone have any specific examples of things that don't work like they used to? Like when using js what doesn't work, or websites that used to work in other browsers that don't in n6? Yeah, Internet Explorer. After installing NS6, clicking on hypertext links in Outlook email messages start IE, but the page doesn't load. Also, clicking on the File menu in IE will show you that the "Edit" option is now set to "Edit with Netscape Navigator." After uninstalling NS6, had to go into IE and reset the web settings for it to work properly again. The thing that bugged me was the user isn't given an option to not have any existing defaults changed during installation, NS6 just makes the changes without asking. Chris Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Development Consulting http://www.astutia.com Allaire Consulting Partner NetObjects Reseller 210-490-3249/888-745-7603Fax 210-490-4692 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The thing that bugged me was the user isn't given an option to not have any existing defaults changed during installation, NS6 just makes the changes without asking. I was given the choice during the installation of NS6. Said no and all works just like it always has. Ken Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Actually Mike, I would consider Web Design easy, because it actually is. However its when you wish to start to do application development that it becomes harder. regards Andrew Scott Senior Cold Fusion Application Developer ANZ eCommerce Centre * Ph 9273 0693 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2000 16:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH Well I for one am thankful that it's not a piece of cake to develop reliable websites. If it was easy, there'd be a FrontPage that works fine, and we'd be besieged with 13 year old school kids taking business from us here highly qualified professionals. Whenever I'm sitting fretting over something tricky that isn't working after 3 hours of working on it, I'm reminded of a sage word of wisdom my father told me ... "No one pays big money for something any fool could do!" Nope. It takes a special kind of fool to do this web site stuff. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Web Development http://www.afp.zip.com.au On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Scott, Andrew wrote: *lol* Well we can all wish/hope for miracles! regards Andrew Scott Senior Cold Fusion Application Developer ANZ eCommerce Centre * Ph 9273 0693 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2000 08:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH Does any of this really matter? All that they should care about is if there browser conforms the W3C specifications so I can count on things to work how they are suppose to. Not how they are suppose to according to Microsoft or Netscape or any other browser. I thought that's what the whole point of the W3C. I just always thought Microsoft did a better job at conforming to these standards then Netscape. Rick -Original Message- From: Raymond K. Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH IE is based off of Mozilla? Did I wake up on another planet today? As far as I know, thats _defintely_ not the case. (Although I prefer IE over Netscape as you do.) === Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Allaire Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN : 3679482 "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean you have to hate it. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Go to www.dixonusa.com then click no flash then click shopping. That little application works perfect in IE 4-5 and Netscape 4.7 not 6 Bob -Original Message- From: Gavin Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH I just downloaded N6 and didn't really see anything wrong with it so far. It has better support for CSS (a: hover works finally). But as of yet (last 30 minutes) i haven't seen any mission critical things with it yet. Does anyone have any specific examples of things that don't work like they used to? Like when using js what doesn't work, or websites that used to work in other browsers that don't in n6? thanks, Gavin Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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go to www.netscape.com, click on the link to download netscape6, and javascript error: 'is_ie' is undefined nice Bert -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 14 November 2000 18:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: Netscape 6 out UGH Well Netscape 6 is out everyone and as I dreaded they still haven't completely fixed javacsript. I have javascript that works fine in Navigator 4.7 but now doesn't work in Netscape 6. Everyone can take a look at it at www.dixonusa.com then click on products after the flash. Just thought everyone should be aware of new coding we will have to do for a third browser. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C04E25.AC752A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the other hand, I had code that only worked and looked good in IE, and broke badly in Netscape 4.75. With 6 it at least looks much more like the IE, and my DHTML/CSS works in some places, but not quite all the way. But it does not break bad. Jaime/ -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Netscape 6 out UGH Well Netscape 6 is out everyone and as I dreaded they still haven't completely fixed javacsript. I have javascript that works fine in Navigator 4.7 but now doesn't work in Netscape 6. Everyone can take a look at it at www.dixonusa.com then click on products after the flash. Just thought everyone should be aware of new coding we will have to do for a third browser. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C04E25.AC752A10 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Jaime Garza.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Jaime Garza.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Garza;Jaime FN:Jaime Garza ORG:Celosis, Inc. TITLE:Director of Development TEL;WORK;VOICE:(510) 814-3019 TEL;WORK;FAX:(510) 523-1097 ADR;WORK:;;1420 Harbor Bay Pkwy Suite 280;Alameda;CA;94502;United States = of America LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:1420 Harbor Bay Pkwy Suite = 280=3D0D=3D0AAlameda, CA 94502=3D0D=3D0AUnited States of =3D America EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20001031T222652Z END:VCARD --=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C04E25.AC752A10-- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Netscape 6 is crap, Go get a nightly build of Mozilla.. NO ONE is going to use or support Netscape 6 until they get it working right, they have not. It is a huge bloated marketing tool. Use Mozilla, its like the directors cut of netscape minus all the stupid BS like AIM and the AOL Icons on your desktop. I cant believe honestly that they are shipping this product in its current state of affairs... I cant see any way we are going to support NS 6 until they get it working at least up to par with NS 4.7. I have a huge problem with AOL and them releasing it. They have the XUL application language and they intend for it to be a programming platform! For once they have went furhter than microsoft and have taken a simple thing like a web browswer to new heights of bloat and un-needed features, Grats AOL!!! So stupid. Anyways Grab Mozilla M18 renders most of my Javascript DOA as well. or a nightly build from www.mozilla.org heh the whole support issue of it were anyone to take it serious would be hell, there are nightly builds, milestones, debug versions, and then you have Netscape 6 which most people will have :-P Anyways, Until they release a real product whats the point in supporting it. Jeremy Allen ElliptIQ Inc P.S. IE won the browser wars, they are over everyone pack up and go home ;) -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Netscape 6 out UGH Well Netscape 6 is out everyone and as I dreaded they still haven't completely fixed javacsript. I have javascript that works fine in Navigator 4.7 but now doesn't work in Netscape 6. Everyone can take a look at it at www.dixonusa.com then click on products after the flash. Just thought everyone should be aware of new coding we will have to do for a third browser. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In my opinion, IE was what killed the entire topic of web browsers - it stinks, Netscape is getting to be as bad, or perhaps even worse now, and everyone else went off and pouted because the big boys didn't want to let them play ball. That's too bad - at least the iCab, Opera and a few other teams continue to attempt to prove that one can still browse the internet without such bug-ridden applications as IE and Netscape... -- "See, he's not just anyone ... he's my son." Mark Schultz URL: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.purl.org/NET/lvirden/ Even if explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting should be construed as representing my employer's opinions. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Larry: I find it hard to believe that you are saying IE stinks. Out of all of the browsers on the market I have found that IE handles tables and css the best. I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean you have to hate it. Greg - Original Message - From: Larry W. Virden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:50 PM Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH In my opinion, IE was what killed the entire topic of web browsers - it stinks, Netscape is getting to be as bad, or perhaps even worse now, and everyone else went off and pouted because the big boys didn't want to let them play ball. That's too bad - at least the iCab, Opera and a few other teams continue to attempt to prove that one can still browse the internet without such bug-ridden applications as IE and Netscape... -- "See, he's not just anyone ... he's my son." Mark Schultz URL: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.purl.org/NET/lvirden/ Even if explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting should be construed as representing my employer's opinions. -- -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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IE is based off of Mozilla? Did I wake up on another planet today? As far as I know, thats _defintely_ not the case. (Although I prefer IE over Netscape as you do.) === Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Allaire Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN : 3679482 "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean you have to hate it. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. While I prefer IE to other browsers, I don't think there's anything in IE which has to do with Mozilla, or open source in general for that matter. For browser trivia buffs, IE was originally based on the Spyglass browser, which in turn was based on the original Mosaic browser. At this point, though, I doubt that there's much Spyglass code left in IE. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well put Greg. I totally agree with you. Chuck -- Original Message -- From: "Greg Wolfinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:50:23 -0500 Larry: I find it hard to believe that you are saying IE stinks. Out of all of the browsers on the market I have found that IE handles tables and css the best. I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean you have to hate it. Greg - Original Message - From: Larry W. Virden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:50 PM Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH In my opinion, IE was what killed the entire topic of web browsers - it stinks, Netscape is getting to be as bad, or perhaps even worse now, and everyone else went off and pouted because the big boys didn't want to let them play ball. That's too bad - at least the iCab, Opera and a few other teams continue to attempt to prove that one can still browse the internet without such bug-ridden applications as IE and Netscape... -- "See, he's not just anyone ... he's my son." Mark Schultz URL: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.purl.org/NET/lvirden/ Even if explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting should be construed as representing my employer's opinions. -- -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Correct me if I am wrong, but mozilla being the very first offical browser. Has set the standard others have to face and is where the w3c use to filter the standards across the board. regards Andrew Scott Senior Cold Fusion Application Developer ANZ eCommerce Centre * Ph 9273 0693 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Raymond K. Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2000 08:28 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH IE is based off of Mozilla? Did I wake up on another planet today? As far as I know, thats _defintely_ not the case. (Although I prefer IE over Netscape as you do.) === Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Allaire Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN : 3679482 "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean you have to hate it. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Does any of this really matter? All that they should care about is if there browser conforms the W3C specifications so I can count on things to work how they are suppose to. Not how they are suppose to according to Microsoft or Netscape or any other browser. I thought that's what the whole point of the W3C. I just always thought Microsoft did a better job at conforming to these standards then Netscape. Rick -Original Message- From: Raymond K. Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH IE is based off of Mozilla? Did I wake up on another planet today? As far as I know, thats _defintely_ not the case. (Although I prefer IE over Netscape as you do.) === Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Allaire Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN : 3679482 "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean you have to hate it. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Have you taken a look at your user_agent string lately? HTTP_USER_AGENT=Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0) jon - Original Message - From: "Raymond K. Camden" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 4:28 PM Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH IE is based off of Mozilla? Did I wake up on another planet today? As far as I know, thats _defintely_ not the case. (Although I prefer IE over Netscape as you do.) === Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Allaire Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN : 3679482 "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean you have to hate it. -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I hate adding my 2 cents to the same age old debates but here goes... It's a matter of preference. Users, surfing... don't notice too much that one page works great and another doesn't, or that a webmaster had pulled every last hair out of his/her head (or anywhere else) trying to get a web site to look the same for every browser. As developers and designers, we notice the differences the most, and to the developers of these browsers, they could probably care less. IE, while not everyone's most favorite, actually does tolerate developers more. It allows for errors. Figures out what you were most likely trying to do. Netscape doesn't allow for that as much. But if you do exactly what it had intended, then it could very well work better than IE. For me personally, I choose IE... just for the little things... like putting a "Height" tag in my tables, and for using "document.image" almost universally, instead of having to make sure I list all the layers it may be in for Netscape. Now then, that all said... you'll notice I didn't mention a version once. It's always the same. It always comes down to the same thing. Especially since, if read back in this thread about 10 messages or so... none mention the version numbers either :) Stuart Duncan MaracasMeda Inc. At 03:43 PM 11/14/00 -0600, you wrote: Does any of this really matter? All that they should care about is if there browser conforms the W3C specifications so I can count on things to work how they are suppose to. Not how they are suppose to according to Microsoft or Netscape or any other browser. I thought that's what the whole point of the W3C. I just always thought Microsoft did a better job at conforming to these standards then Netscape. Rick -Original Message- From: Raymond K. Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH IE is based off of Mozilla? Did I wake up on another planet today? As far as I know, thats _defintely_ not the case. (Although I prefer IE over Netscape as you do.) === Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Allaire Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN : 3679482 "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean you have to hate it. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
IE is based off of Mozilla? Have you taken a look at your user_agent string lately? HTTP_USER_AGENT=Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0) That doesn't mean that IE is based off of Mozilla. It means that it identifies itself to HTTP servers as compatible with Netscape 4. This started back when IE first came out; it was common at the time for server-side code to look at the user agent, and give the user one page if they had Netscape and another if they had ANYTHING ELSE. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
*lol* Well we can all wish/hope for miracles! regards Andrew Scott Senior Cold Fusion Application Developer ANZ eCommerce Centre * Ph 9273 0693 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2000 08:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH Does any of this really matter? All that they should care about is if there browser conforms the W3C specifications so I can count on things to work how they are suppose to. Not how they are suppose to according to Microsoft or Netscape or any other browser. I thought that's what the whole point of the W3C. I just always thought Microsoft did a better job at conforming to these standards then Netscape. Rick -Original Message- From: Raymond K. Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH IE is based off of Mozilla? Did I wake up on another planet today? As far as I know, thats _defintely_ not the case. (Although I prefer IE over Netscape as you do.) === Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Allaire Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN : 3679482 "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean you have to hate it. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C04E5B.3B677400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the story about Mozilla, worth no more than two cents: 1. Mozilla was the internal codename for the Navigator program inside Netscape. They even had a dinosaur and where all proud of their product. Cool team. If you clicked certain keys in the about the dinosaur would popup, etc. 2. IE came after that and Netscape was recommending to use the Mozilla word in the USER_AGENT for recognizing their browser. At this point IE was just trying to comply to that and added "Mozilla compatible" to it, until... 3. IE 3 came causing havoc and proposing *innovation* 4. You know the 4.0 wars and the lawsuit and the Netscape death and burial in the AOL cemetery 5. And Netscape launched mozilla.org with all the code of Netscape 4.0 as source code licenses. The original team was supposedly going over there... 6. and then the final punch with IE 5.0. And now Netscape thinking skipping a 5 and putting a 6 will put them one version ahead of Microsoft. haha. So don't think that mozilla in USER_AGENT is from mozilla.org, but from the prehistory of Netscape. -Original Message- From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Netscape 6 out UGH Have you taken a look at your user_agent string lately? HTTP_USER_AGENT=Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0) jon - Original Message - From: "Raymond K. Camden" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 4:28 PM Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH IE is based off of Mozilla? Did I wake up on another planet today? As far as I know, thats _defintely_ not the case. (Although I prefer IE over Netscape as you do.) === Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Allaire Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN : 3679482 "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean you have to hate it. -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C04E5B.3B677400 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Jaime Garza.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Jaime Garza.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Garza;Jaime FN:Jaime Garza ORG:Celosis, Inc. TITLE:Director of Development TEL;WORK;VOICE:(510) 814-3019 TEL;WORK;FAX:(510) 523-1097 ADR;WORK:;;1420 Harbor Bay Pkwy Suite 280;Alameda;CA;94502;United States = of America LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:1420 Harbor Bay Pkwy Suite = 280=3D0D=3D0AAlameda, CA 94502=3D0D=3D0AUnited States of =3D America EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20001031T222652Z END:VCARD --=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C04E5B.3B677400-- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
IE, while not everyone's most favorite, actually does tolerate developers more. It allows for errors. Figures out what you were most likely trying to do. Netscape doesn't allow for that as much. But if you do exactly what it had intended, then it could very well work better than IE. For me, this is the exact reason I stay with Netscape as my primary browser. By coding all my HTML and JavaScript for Netscape first, it's much more likely to work in IE with no problems than if I did the HTML in IE first and then tried to make it work in Netscape also. There are some situations where this is not the case, but 99% of the time it saves me hours of development time because I never have to go back and rewrite half my HTML/JavaScript to make it compatible with both browsers. Our entire development team (except me) uses IE as the primary browser, and I can't even begin to count the number of times I've heard "!@#$%^* Netscape!!" come from someone's desk because they thought the site they've been working on for days or weeks was done, but low and behold the display gets all screwy in Netscape and they have to spend another day fixing it. I see Netscape as the HTML equivalent to coding with "Strict Attribute Validation" turned on g. ___ Justin Scott :: [Staff Developer] http://www.annex.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm sure that the Microsoft developers would be very surprised to hear this. Early versions of both Netscape and IE were both based on the original NCSA Mosaic code, but those days are long gone. Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/14/00 12:50PM I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To be honest I thought it was different, I was under the impression that Mozilla was an independant team of developers to Netscape, but shared the resources to achieve the results. I might be wrong, but I recall reading this somehwere in the gozilla docs! regards Andrew Scott Senior Cold Fusion Application Developer ANZ eCommerce Centre * Ph 9273 0693 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jaime Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2000 11:52 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C04E5B.3B677400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the story about Mozilla, worth no more than two cents: 1. Mozilla was the internal codename for the Navigator program inside Netscape. They even had a dinosaur and where all proud of their product. Cool team. If you clicked certain keys in the about the dinosaur would popup, etc. 2. IE came after that and Netscape was recommending to use the Mozilla word in the USER_AGENT for recognizing their browser. At this point IE was just trying to comply to that and added "Mozilla compatible" to it, until... 3. IE 3 came causing havoc and proposing *innovation* 4. You know the 4.0 wars and the lawsuit and the Netscape death and burial in the AOL cemetery 5. And Netscape launched mozilla.org with all the code of Netscape 4.0 as source code licenses. The original team was supposedly going over there... 6. and then the final punch with IE 5.0. And now Netscape thinking skipping a 5 and putting a 6 will put them one version ahead of Microsoft. haha. So don't think that mozilla in USER_AGENT is from mozilla.org, but from the prehistory of Netscape. -Original Message- From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Netscape 6 out UGH Have you taken a look at your user_agent string lately? HTTP_USER_AGENT=Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0) jon - Original Message - From: "Raymond K. Camden" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 4:28 PM Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH IE is based off of Mozilla? Did I wake up on another planet today? As far as I know, thats _defintely_ not the case. (Although I prefer IE over Netscape as you do.) === Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Allaire Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN : 3679482 "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean you have to hate it. -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C04E5B.3B677400 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Jaime Garza.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Jaime Garza.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Garza;Jaime FN:Jaime Garza ORG:Celosis, Inc. TITLE:Director of Development TEL;WORK;VOICE:(510) 814-3019 TEL;WORK;FAX:(510) 523-1097 ADR;WORK:;;1420 Harbor Bay Pkwy Suite 280;Alameda;CA;94502;United States = of America LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:1420 Harbor Bay Pkwy Suite = 280=3D0D=3D0AAlameda, CA 94502=3D0D=3D0AUnited States of =3D America EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20001031T222652Z END:VCARD --=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C04E5B.3B677400-- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
I think it depends a lot on Corporations, in Australia we have standards in most large corporations ( I would assume the same goes in the USA). These standards means that until otherwise deemed safe these companies will not migrate to the latest and greatest. Now take this one step further, most companies (large ones) sign deals with MS to become a MS house. MS in their wisdom will tell you you cannot use anything that they have, for example I have worked in places where I can't use dreamweaver because MS has frontpage. However as a developer I hated IExplorer, until IE 4.0 came out. I then found that to survive netscape needed to start making more standards available in their browser. They took their time about this and lost a big slice of the market share, however I think that Netscape 6 may be the answer to all and until I have had a chance to run it I can't say. But the reports during beta were positive to say the least. When developing I always use IE, because I can use it with Studio. Then during the final stages run through everything with it under Netscape and then fix anything I need to do. But personally I like what MS have delivered in IE and await to see Netscapes answer, and it would have to be good to start to regain the market share that they have lost. regards Andrew Scott Senior Cold Fusion Application Developer ANZ eCommerce Centre * Ph 9273 0693 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Justin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2000 12:09 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Netscape 6 out UGH IE, while not everyone's most favorite, actually does tolerate developers more. It allows for errors. Figures out what you were most likely trying to do. Netscape doesn't allow for that as much. But if you do exactly what it had intended, then it could very well work better than IE. For me, this is the exact reason I stay with Netscape as my primary browser. By coding all my HTML and JavaScript for Netscape first, it's much more likely to work in IE with no problems than if I did the HTML in IE first and then tried to make it work in Netscape also. There are some situations where this is not the case, but 99% of the time it saves me hours of development time because I never have to go back and rewrite half my HTML/JavaScript to make it compatible with both browsers. Our entire development team (except me) uses IE as the primary browser, and I can't even begin to count the number of times I've heard "!@#$%^* Netscape!!" come from someone's desk because they thought the site they've been working on for days or weeks was done, but low and behold the display gets all screwy in Netscape and they have to spend another day fixing it. I see Netscape as the HTML equivalent to coding with "Strict Attribute Validation" turned on g. ___ Justin Scott :: [Staff Developer] http://www.annex.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
I see Netscape as the HTML equivalent to coding with "Strict Attribute Validation" turned on g. I think you mean "lowest common denominator" c Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
I for one could not find anything positive to say about Netscape 6. It never once blew me away. I have basic Javascript in my browser that works completely fine in Netscape 4.7. Now Netscape 6 comes out and it doesn't work, what is up with that. I already code enough to do 2 browsers now I have to code to do 3. The reason I started this discussion was to inform everyone that it isn't great, hasn't been great since Mozilla, and I don't even know if it will be great for a long long time. The only thing it has going for it is that it is ported to other operating systems. Everyone can be a M$ hater all they want but at least they know how to make a browser. Bob Everland -Original Message- From: Scott, Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH I think it depends a lot on Corporations, in Australia we have standards in most large corporations ( I would assume the same goes in the USA). These standards means that until otherwise deemed safe these companies will not migrate to the latest and greatest. Now take this one step further, most companies (large ones) sign deals with MS to become a MS house. MS in their wisdom will tell you you cannot use anything that they have, for example I have worked in places where I can't use dreamweaver because MS has frontpage. However as a developer I hated IExplorer, until IE 4.0 came out. I then found that to survive netscape needed to start making more standards available in their browser. They took their time about this and lost a big slice of the market share, however I think that Netscape 6 may be the answer to all and until I have had a chance to run it I can't say. But the reports during beta were positive to say the least. When developing I always use IE, because I can use it with Studio. Then during the final stages run through everything with it under Netscape and then fix anything I need to do. But personally I like what MS have delivered in IE and await to see Netscapes answer, and it would have to be good to start to regain the market share that they have lost. regards Andrew Scott Senior Cold Fusion Application Developer ANZ eCommerce Centre * Ph 9273 0693 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Justin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2000 12:09 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Netscape 6 out UGH IE, while not everyone's most favorite, actually does tolerate developers more. It allows for errors. Figures out what you were most likely trying to do. Netscape doesn't allow for that as much. But if you do exactly what it had intended, then it could very well work better than IE. For me, this is the exact reason I stay with Netscape as my primary browser. By coding all my HTML and JavaScript for Netscape first, it's much more likely to work in IE with no problems than if I did the HTML in IE first and then tried to make it work in Netscape also. There are some situations where this is not the case, but 99% of the time it saves me hours of development time because I never have to go back and rewrite half my HTML/JavaScript to make it compatible with both browsers. Our entire development team (except me) uses IE as the primary browser, and I can't even begin to count the number of times I've heard "!@#$%^* Netscape!!" come from someone's desk because they thought the site they've been working on for days or weeks was done, but low and behold the display gets all screwy in Netscape and they have to spend another day fixing it. I see Netscape as the HTML equivalent to coding with "Strict Attribute Validation" turned on g. ___ Justin Scott :: [Staff Developer] http://www.annex.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
*g* Can't argue with this logic and I agree for the same reasons I left MS for Netscape during the V3.0 days and later returned back to IE in the V4.0 days and have never switched back. With what I also hear from peoples comments I don't think its worth it... Although I did check out geko (is this right) in the earlier days but wasn't impressed at all. regards Andrew Scott Senior Cold Fusion Application Developer ANZ eCommerce Centre * Ph 9273 0693 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2000 13:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH I for one could not find anything positive to say about Netscape 6. It never once blew me away. I have basic Javascript in my browser that works completely fine in Netscape 4.7. Now Netscape 6 comes out and it doesn't work, what is up with that. I already code enough to do 2 browsers now I have to code to do 3. The reason I started this discussion was to inform everyone that it isn't great, hasn't been great since Mozilla, and I don't even know if it will be great for a long long time. The only thing it has going for it is that it is ported to other operating systems. Everyone can be a M$ hater all they want but at least they know how to make a browser. Bob Everland -Original Message- From: Scott, Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH I think it depends a lot on Corporations, in Australia we have standards in most large corporations ( I would assume the same goes in the USA). These standards means that until otherwise deemed safe these companies will not migrate to the latest and greatest. Now take this one step further, most companies (large ones) sign deals with MS to become a MS house. MS in their wisdom will tell you you cannot use anything that they have, for example I have worked in places where I can't use dreamweaver because MS has frontpage. However as a developer I hated IExplorer, until IE 4.0 came out. I then found that to survive netscape needed to start making more standards available in their browser. They took their time about this and lost a big slice of the market share, however I think that Netscape 6 may be the answer to all and until I have had a chance to run it I can't say. But the reports during beta were positive to say the least. When developing I always use IE, because I can use it with Studio. Then during the final stages run through everything with it under Netscape and then fix anything I need to do. But personally I like what MS have delivered in IE and await to see Netscapes answer, and it would have to be good to start to regain the market share that they have lost. regards Andrew Scott Senior Cold Fusion Application Developer ANZ eCommerce Centre * Ph 9273 0693 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Justin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2000 12:09 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Netscape 6 out UGH IE, while not everyone's most favorite, actually does tolerate developers more. It allows for errors. Figures out what you were most likely trying to do. Netscape doesn't allow for that as much. But if you do exactly what it had intended, then it could very well work better than IE. For me, this is the exact reason I stay with Netscape as my primary browser. By coding all my HTML and JavaScript for Netscape first, it's much more likely to work in IE with no problems than if I did the HTML in IE first and then tried to make it work in Netscape also. There are some situations where this is not the case, but 99% of the time it saves me hours of development time because I never have to go back and rewrite half my HTML/JavaScript to make it compatible with both browsers. Our entire development team (except me) uses IE as the primary browser, and I can't even begin to count the number of times I've heard "!@#$%^* Netscape!!" come from someone's desk because they thought the site they've been working on for days or weeks was done, but low and behold the display gets all screwy in Netscape and they have to spend another day fixing it. I see Netscape as the HTML equivalent to coding with "Strict Attribute Validation" turned on g. ___ Justin Scott :: [Staff Developer] http://www.annex.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body
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I second that! I've had far fewer problems designing in IE (and surfing with it too!) At 03:50 PM 11/14/00 -0500, you wrote: Larry: I find it hard to believe that you are saying IE stinks. Out of all of the browsers on the market I have found that IE handles tables and css the best. I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean you have to hate it. Greg - Original Message - From: Larry W. Virden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:50 PM Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH In my opinion, IE was what killed the entire topic of web browsers - it stinks, Netscape is getting to be as bad, or perhaps even worse now, and everyone else went off and pouted because the big boys didn't want to let them play ball. That's too bad - at least the iCab, Opera and a few other teams continue to attempt to prove that one can still browse the internet without such bug-ridden applications as IE and Netscape... -- "See, he's not just anyone ... he's my son." Mark Schultz URL: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.purl.org/NET/lvirden/ Even if explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting should be construed as representing my employer's opinions. -- -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=-=- SBG-Priority: 4 (Low) http://www.internz.com/SpamBeGone/ -- Michael She I m a g i n e C o m m u n i c a t i o n s Company E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN: #243466 Personal Homepage: http://www.michaelshe.com (Under Construction) Imagine Communications: http://www.imagineer.net PGP Fingerprint: 9A24 1DA9 39B8 0A0C C5ED 6E5D 45E9 075A 51CD 66A1 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
I see Netscape as the HTML equivalent to coding with "Strict Attribute Validation" turned on g. I think you mean "lowest common denominator" Perhaps, but I was referring more to the fact that Netscape points out HTML problems much more readily than IE does, which forces the coder to follow standards more strictly than if they had coded everything under IE first. Similar to the way CF won't let you place extra parameters on tags when that setting in enabled. I can think of any number of sites that were coded and tested exclusively in IE that do a fairly good job of following HTML standards, but have a few very small problems that Netscape screams about that IE blows off. For example, PayPal had a problem on one of their pages that got past their QA team where a set of radio buttons were all marked as being selected. Netscape did what it was told, it selected all of them (an obvious coding error). In IE, it defaulted the last (or first, I don't remember exactly) one that was marked and acted as if nothing else was wrong. I can't remember how many sites I've been to where a page just stops displaying right in the middle (if at all) because the developer forgot to close a table tag. I understand that a good round of testing in both common browsers is pretty much standard in any web development so that these types of annoying (and potentially embarassing) errors can be avoided. My point is basically that by developing under the more strict environment first, the layout testing and correction process is much easier, and less time consuming. I'm not saying it's a better browser in general, just better for developing under (in my personal experience anyway). ___ Justin Scott :: [Staff Developer] http://www.annex.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Netscape 6 out UGH!!!!
Well I for one am thankful that it's not a piece of cake to develop reliable websites. If it was easy, there'd be a FrontPage that works fine, and we'd be besieged with 13 year old school kids taking business from us here highly qualified professionals. Whenever I'm sitting fretting over something tricky that isn't working after 3 hours of working on it, I'm reminded of a sage word of wisdom my father told me ... "No one pays big money for something any fool could do!" Nope. It takes a special kind of fool to do this web site stuff. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Web Development http://www.afp.zip.com.au On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Scott, Andrew wrote: *lol* Well we can all wish/hope for miracles! regards Andrew Scott Senior Cold Fusion Application Developer ANZ eCommerce Centre * Ph 9273 0693 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2000 08:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH Does any of this really matter? All that they should care about is if there browser conforms the W3C specifications so I can count on things to work how they are suppose to. Not how they are suppose to according to Microsoft or Netscape or any other browser. I thought that's what the whole point of the W3C. I just always thought Microsoft did a better job at conforming to these standards then Netscape. Rick -Original Message- From: Raymond K. Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Netscape 6 out UGH IE is based off of Mozilla? Did I wake up on another planet today? As far as I know, thats _defintely_ not the case. (Although I prefer IE over Netscape as you do.) === Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Allaire Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN : 3679482 "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda I also hate to tell you that IE and Netscape are based off of the open source Mozilla project which Opera has followed closely with. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean you have to hate it. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
