RE: Scorpio questions
> Well, I say JRun is on the out due to it not been feature > updated in years and a beta was canned for a new version. It's > had it I think and for sure it's an easy win for Adobe to > include it but it's by no way the best fit for that role IMO. JRun is used by many Adobe server products: Connect, Contribute Publishing Service, Flex Data Services, and ColdFusion. I doubt it's going anywhere in the near term. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278665 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio questions
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Will Scorpio fix the problem which CF7 has when trying to swap out shipped > components which updates one? In particular iText, JavaMail, Axis. Did you report this as a bug and did you receive a bug number? > Will 7 ever get Java 1.5/1.6 capabilities with an update? I would be very surprised if Adobe were to do that. > With JRun being EOL (as it appears) will ColdFusion ever ship with another > J2EE server for free use? JBoss/Tomcat? Ben recently announces JBoss support for Scorpio. Jochem ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278567 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio questions
Well, I say JRun is on the out due to it not been feature updated in years and a beta was canned for a new version. It's had it I think and for sure it's an easy win for Adobe to include it but it's by no way the best fit for that role IMO. JBoss support is a big wn for sure. "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield To: CF-Talk Sent: Fri May 18 08:46:45 2007 Subject: Re: Scorpio questions On 5/18/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will Scorpio fix the problem which CF7 has when trying to swap out shipped > components which updates one? In particular iText, JavaMail, Axis. Since Scorpio is covered by NDA, no one can answer this (except Adobe staff, I guess). > Will 7 ever get Java 1.5/1.6 capabilities with an update? I would be very surprised if CFMX7 was updated to support Java 5 or Java 6. > With JRun being EOL (as it appears) will ColdFusion ever ship with another > J2EE server for free use? JBoss/Tomcat? Why do you think JRun is being EOL'd? Seems like Adobe have more control over the stability and feature set if they ship CF with JRun... FWIW, Ben Forta has said that JBoss support is being added in Scorpio. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278566 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio questions
On 5/18/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will Scorpio fix the problem which CF7 has when trying to swap out shipped > components which updates one? In particular iText, JavaMail, Axis. Since Scorpio is covered by NDA, no one can answer this (except Adobe staff, I guess). > Will 7 ever get Java 1.5/1.6 capabilities with an update? I would be very surprised if CFMX7 was updated to support Java 5 or Java 6. > With JRun being EOL (as it appears) will ColdFusion ever ship with another > J2EE server for free use? JBoss/Tomcat? Why do you think JRun is being EOL'd? Seems like Adobe have more control over the stability and feature set if they ship CF with JRun... FWIW, Ben Forta has said that JBoss support is being added in Scorpio. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278565 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio to help with "CFMyAdmin"
There's a pic of me at www.rickroot.com =) or www.myspace.com/rickroot Except I don't have a beard anymore. I shaved that off after the hurricanes won the stanley cup last year. It was just a temporary thing :) Rick ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278239 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio to help with "CFMyAdmin"
Ben showed tag today in Albany, that was cool! ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278235 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio to help with "CFMyAdmin"
Ok Rick ;), I was there last night as well and I'm trying to put names with faces, which one were you? LOL Bob > -Original Message- > From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:58 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Scorpio to help with "CFMyAdmin" > > The "new feature" mentioned at the TACFUG/RDAUG user group meeting > last night involved updated database drivers across the board, and a > new tag called which will provide all kinds of database > introspection stuff. > > So whoever was planning to write a CFMyAdmin type utility... it might > be a whole lot easier in CF8! > > Rick > > -- ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278230 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio to help with "CFMyAdmin"
Does anyone know what happened to cfmyadmin.com? I get "No web site is configured at this address." when I go there. -Randy Rick Root wrote: > The "new feature" mentioned at the TACFUG/RDAUG user group meeting > last night involved updated database drivers across the board, and a > new tag called which will provide all kinds of database > introspection stuff. > > So whoever was planning to write a CFMyAdmin type utility... it might > be a whole lot easier in CF8! > > Rick > > ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278162 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
On Tuesday 15 May 2007, James Holmes wrote: > Isn't that placing a little too much trust in the client? You'll, of course, validate any (business process) requests the client makes against your security model. This would be belt-and-braces best practice even with a trusted client. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to competently coordinate real-time partnerships on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278140 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
Isn't that placing a little too much trust in the client? On 5/14/07, Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 11 May 2007, Dave Watts wrote: > > > > How do you maintain client state for AOL or TOR or > > > > multi-proxy users in a cluster? > > > > > > If each client has a unique token, that's good enough, right > > > ? As long as the server can turn tokens into users. > > > > Having a token is not the same thing as managing state. The server is > > managing state in your example. For the client to manage state, it would > > have to store more than a token. > > Sorry, I wasn't clear. > Yes, of course the client needs to store more than a token after all it has to > store whatever state you want to hold. > The server is not managing (client) state, only a list of valid tokens. -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278121 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio
On Friday 11 May 2007, Dave Watts wrote: > > > How do you maintain client state for AOL or TOR or > > > multi-proxy users in a cluster? > > > > If each client has a unique token, that's good enough, right > > ? As long as the server can turn tokens into users. > > Having a token is not the same thing as managing state. The server is > managing state in your example. For the client to manage state, it would > have to store more than a token. Sorry, I wasn't clear. Yes, of course the client needs to store more than a token after all it has to store whatever state you want to hold. The server is not managing (client) state, only a list of valid tokens. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to apprehensively synthesize intuitive services on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278005 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio
> > Tom said "State would be kept in the client where it belongs." > > > > How do you maintain client state for AOL or TOR or > > multi-proxy users in a cluster? > > If each client has a unique token, that's good enough, right > ? As long as the server can turn tokens into users. Having a token is not the same thing as managing state. The server is managing state in your example. For the client to manage state, it would have to store more than a token. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277797 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
On Friday 11 May 2007, Peterson, Chris wrote: > I was setting cookies, and tried session stickiness, and AOL was still > busted. =( I think I would have to code the cfid / cftoken into every > blessed link. It's harder to implement that sort of SOA when your front end is just HTML. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to seamlessly participate total solutions on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277787 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio
You are correct. In previous version, only object which supported the serialization method like strings and query objects would replicate to the other instances in the cluster. CFC's and XML documents (which Ben said are stored in the same way) would not serialize and therefore would replicate as an empty object with a "serialization error" name. Very annoying indeed. CF 8 plans to properly serialize CFC's so they can be replicated to the other instances in your cluster. If you don't use sticky sessions, or if an instance goes down, the JRUN connector Round Robins the user over to the next instance in line and they never even know the difference. "It just works" to quote Ben F. :) ~Brad -Original Message- From: Peterson, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Scorpio Yea, session replication is so your session variables are copied over to other instances you are running inside of a coldfusion cluster. Now, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the issue everyone is speaking about is: simple variables would replicate, but objects would not replicate (user beans, cfc's with cart info, etc), and they will replicate in Scorpio. Chris Peterson -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio I am going to take a stab in the dark, but I think its update one server and it replicates to the others. I guess others will tell me I am wrong if I am.. On 5/11/07, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Would someone mind giving me a quick 'synopsis' or what replication is > all about? Presumably this is so you can run two identical setups with > a network load balancer in the middle? > > I'm sure that blind guess is complete wrong though :-D just trying to > learn something new. > > Thanks guys, > > Rob > > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2007 15:13 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Scorpio > > > Why are so many people so excited about this? Session replication is > > not needed on the vast majority of sites - it just causes network > > chatter and it still has latency so if a session does failover due a > > server going down, you might still get a request into a new server > > instance before the session data is available. > > I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm excited about this, but session > replication in CF 7 and earlier is essentially half a feature. It's an > annoyance to hear that a product supports "neat feature x" and "neat > feature y", but unfortunately you have to pick one or the other. Just > like with query caching and CFQUERYPARAM. > > > How many people are actually using replication and what is your > > justification for it? > > Several of our clients are using it, because they want a higher level > of failover than they can have without it. Why is that so hard to understand? > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net > > > > > ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:28 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio
At least you have URLSessionFormat() :) -Original Message- From: Peterson, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Scorpio Tom, I was setting cookies, and tried session stickiness, and AOL was still busted. =( I think I would have to code the cfid / cftoken into every blessed link. Chris ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 & experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277781 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Scorpio
Which CF 8 is slated to support correctly! lol -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Scorpio Just like with query caching and CFQUERYPARAM. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:23 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio
All that sounds good and all, but I swear sometimes we make more work for ourselves to simply avoid sharing sessions. Isn't the motto of CF "It just works"? Shouldn't clustered instances and replicated sessions "just work" and not require all the hassle. If I wanted hassle, I would code directly in Java. ~Brad -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Jochem's example aside how would you keep state for say an administration > process which requires session awareness? i.e. a secure login to a forum or > beta side ala labs.adobe.com Keeping state is a two part process: - identifying an HTTP request as part of a session; - making session data available from request to request in a session. You have the following options for the identification step: - cookies; - URL variables; - FORM variables; - SSL client certificates; - HTTP authentication. The granularity of these methods differs, e.g. cookies and HTTP authentication are shared between multiple windows of the same browser process, URL and FORM variables not necessarily so, but in most cases these options can be used interchangeable. The options for making session data available from request to request are too many to mention. Out of the box CF comes with the following: - keep it in RAM in a single instance (session vars); - keep it in RAM in multiple instances but (session clustering); - keep it in a database (client variables); - keep it in the registry (client variables). But you can easily extend CF to use something else like writing a WDDX packet to the filesystem on each request (that comes close to what PHP does). All of the options for the first part can be combined with all of the options for the second part. You can literally mix and match till you find the optimal combination. For the examples you give, a forum and labs.adobe.com, all you really need is identification. That means that if you use SSL Client Certificates or HTTP authentication the browser will send its credentials on every request anyway, so you don't even need part 2. It is quite likely you want to use some of part 2 anyway because you want to cache certain information in RAM instead of getting it again on every request. So you add session variables to the mix and keep sticky sessions. No problem if there is a failover to another instance, you rebuild the info on the fly so it essentially has the same effect as a cache miss. If you need a more session info, like the content of a shopping cart, and you can absolutely not afford to lose any sessions, just keep it both in RAM and in a database and use sticky sessions. Whenever the content of the shopping cart changes update the database, but all reads come from RAM. If there is a server failover, just read the info from the database and again the net effect is merely a cache miss and not a lost session. Or if you don't care, just use sticky sessions without anything else and if a server fails some people have to login again. Combine whatever you need, there is no 'one size fits all' solution. Jochem ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:26 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Scorpio
Tom, I was setting cookies, and tried session stickiness, and AOL was still busted. =( I think I would have to code the cfid / cftoken into every blessed link. Chris -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 10:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio On Friday 11 May 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > How is a client side cookie secure? Isn't that rife for abuse etc? Our app, for instance, runs over SSL, and the cookie expires when the browser is closed. We also tie it to whatever IP the user appears to be coming from for extra robustness. In theory some broken ISPs (like AOL) will have problems with this beecause the same cookie will now appear to come from multiple IPs, but in practice that doesn't seem to happen (any more ?). -- Tom Chiverton Helping to elementarily establish strategic portals on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:22 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Scorpio
I believe that is correct. Currently, there is no way to pass a complex variable/object like a CFC to another server in this manner. The new serialization features allow this so that if a server goes down, you do have the ability to continue the session on the new server without even a blip. Eric > Yea, session replication is so your session variables are copied over to > other instances you are running inside of a coldfusion cluster. Now, > someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the issue everyone is speaking > about is: simple variables would replicate, but objects would not > replicate (user beans, cfc's with cart info, etc), and they will > replicate in Scorpio. > > Chris Peterson > > -Original Message- > From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:31 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Scorpio > > I am going to take a stab in the dark, but I think its update one server > and it replicates to the others. I guess others will tell me I am wrong > if I am.. > > > > On 5/11/07, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Would someone mind giving me a quick 'synopsis' or what replication is > >> all about? Presumably this is so you can run two identical setups with > >> a network load balancer in the middle? >> >> I'm sure that blind guess is complete wrong though :-D just trying to >> learn something new. >> >> Thanks guys, >> >> Rob >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: 11 May 2007 15:13 >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: RE: Scorpio >> >> > Why are so many people so excited about this? Session replication is > >> > not needed on the vast majority of sites - it just causes network >> > chatter and it still has latency so if a session does failover due a > >> > server going down, you might still get a request into a new server >> > instance before the session data is available. >> >> I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm excited about this, but session >> replication in CF 7 and earlier is essentially half a feature. It's an > >> annoyance to hear that a product supports "neat feature x" and "neat >> feature y", but unfortunately you have to pick one or the other. Just >> like with query caching and CFQUERYPARAM. >> >> > How many people are actually using replication and what is your >> > justification for it? >> >> Several of our clients are using it, because they want a higher level >> of failover than they can have without it. Why is that so hard to > understand? >> >> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software >> http://www.figleaf.com/ >> >> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized >> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, >> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. >> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! >> >> This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277769 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio
You sound jaded. :) I am setting up my clusters to use session replication because sticky sessions wreak havoc on my load balancing distribution. We have a heavily-used internal site with a very small number of unique users (around 300 right now) and very long average session lengths (8 hour working day). Somehow everyone always gets stuck on one server and I am tired of that. Besides, even if session replication is only good in your eyes for failover, shouldn't it at least work when it fails over??? ~Brad -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio On 5/9/07, Brad Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Forta was at the Kansas City user group last night and I would just like > to say I am so happy to hear that CFCs (and XML documents) will > serialize properly in CF 8 and replicate between shared sessions! Why are so many people so excited about this? Session replication is not needed on the vast majority of sites - it just causes network chatter and it still has latency so if a session does failover due a server going down, you might still get a request into a new server instance before the session data is available. How many people are actually using replication and what is your justification for it? ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277767 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
On Friday 11 May 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > How is a client side cookie secure? Isn't that rife for abuse etc? Our app, for instance, runs over SSL, and the cookie expires when the browser is closed. We also tie it to whatever IP the user appears to be coming from for extra robustness. In theory some broken ISPs (like AOL) will have problems with this beecause the same cookie will now appear to come from multiple IPs, but in practice that doesn't seem to happen (any more ?). -- Tom Chiverton Helping to elementarily establish strategic portals on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277764 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
cheers guys that makes perfect sense.. On 5/12/07, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But isn't sticky sessions better, and if so that makes the > > serialize redundant does it not. > > Sticky sessions don't provide session failover. If you're using a server, > and the server goes down, your session will be lost - and depending on > your > load balancer configuration you might even be sent back to that server! > > That said, it's sufficient for most uses, simpler to set up and manage > than > session replication, and will generally provide better performance as long > as the servers don't fail. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net > > > ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 & experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277753 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
How is a client side cookie secure? Isn't that rife for abuse etc? "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton To: CF-Talk Sent: Fri May 11 14:01:12 2007 Subject: Re: Scorpio On Friday 11 May 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Jochem's example aside how would you keep state for say an administration > process which requires session awareness? i.e. a secure login to a forum or > beta side ala labs.adobe.com Client-side token, such as a cookie. And yes, it's a very exciting area of CF - see Sean's preso. from cf.Objective() too. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to continually scale strategic infrastructures on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277752 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Scorpio
> But isn't sticky sessions better, and if so that makes the > serialize redundant does it not. Sticky sessions don't provide session failover. If you're using a server, and the server goes down, your session will be lost - and depending on your load balancer configuration you might even be sent back to that server! That said, it's sufficient for most uses, simpler to set up and manage than session replication, and will generally provide better performance as long as the servers don't fail. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277751 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
Not if one server goes down with half of your users on it. With session replication, those users will hit one of the other servers with their sessions in tact (well, as long as there wasn't too much latency in the replication) and they won't know that the server crashed at all. On 5/11/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to ask a question though, as I have no experience come > clusters.. > > But isn't sticky sessions better, and if so that makes the serialize > redundant does it not. -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 & experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277750 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
I would like to ask a question though, as I have no experience come clusters.. But isn't sticky sessions better, and if so that makes the serialize redundant does it not. ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 & experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277741 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
Sean might be the best to answer or someone else who knows... But I believe so if you use the new serialize in Scorpio. On 5/11/07, Peterson, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yea, session replication is so your session variables are copied over to > other instances you are running inside of a coldfusion cluster. Now, > someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the issue everyone is speaking > about is: simple variables would replicate, but objects would not > replicate (user beans, cfc's with cart info, etc), and they will > replicate in Scorpio. > > Chris Peterson > > -Original Message- > From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:31 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Scorpio > > I am going to take a stab in the dark, but I think its update one server > and it replicates to the others. I guess others will tell me I am wrong > if I am.. > > > > On 5/11/07, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Would someone mind giving me a quick 'synopsis' or what replication is > > > all about? Presumably this is so you can run two identical setups with > > > a network load balancer in the middle? > > > > I'm sure that blind guess is complete wrong though :-D just trying to > > learn something new. > > > > Thanks guys, > > > > Rob > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 11 May 2007 15:13 > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Scorpio > > > > > Why are so many people so excited about this? Session replication is > > > > not needed on the vast majority of sites - it just causes network > > > chatter and it still has latency so if a session does failover due a > > > > server going down, you might still get a request into a new server > > > instance before the session data is available. > > > > I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm excited about this, but session > > replication in CF 7 and earlier is essentially half a feature. It's an > > > annoyance to hear that a product supports "neat feature x" and "neat > > feature y", but unfortunately you have to pick one or the other. Just > > like with query caching and CFQUERYPARAM. > > > > > How many people are actually using replication and what is your > > > justification for it? > > > > Several of our clients are using it, because they want a higher level > > of failover than they can have without it. Why is that so hard to > understand? > > > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > > > This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277740 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Scorpio
Yea, session replication is so your session variables are copied over to other instances you are running inside of a coldfusion cluster. Now, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the issue everyone is speaking about is: simple variables would replicate, but objects would not replicate (user beans, cfc's with cart info, etc), and they will replicate in Scorpio. Chris Peterson -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio I am going to take a stab in the dark, but I think its update one server and it replicates to the others. I guess others will tell me I am wrong if I am.. On 5/11/07, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Would someone mind giving me a quick 'synopsis' or what replication is > all about? Presumably this is so you can run two identical setups with > a network load balancer in the middle? > > I'm sure that blind guess is complete wrong though :-D just trying to > learn something new. > > Thanks guys, > > Rob > > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2007 15:13 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Scorpio > > > Why are so many people so excited about this? Session replication is > > not needed on the vast majority of sites - it just causes network > > chatter and it still has latency so if a session does failover due a > > server going down, you might still get a request into a new server > > instance before the session data is available. > > I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm excited about this, but session > replication in CF 7 and earlier is essentially half a feature. It's an > annoyance to hear that a product supports "neat feature x" and "neat > feature y", but unfortunately you have to pick one or the other. Just > like with query caching and CFQUERYPARAM. > > > How many people are actually using replication and what is your > > justification for it? > > Several of our clients are using it, because they want a higher level > of failover than they can have without it. Why is that so hard to understand? > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net > > > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277736 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
I am going to take a stab in the dark, but I think its update one server and it replicates to the others. I guess others will tell me I am wrong if I am.. On 5/11/07, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Would someone mind giving me a quick 'synopsis' or what replication is all > about? Presumably this is so you can run two identical setups with a > network > load balancer in the middle? > > I'm sure that blind guess is complete wrong though :-D just trying to > learn > something new. > > Thanks guys, > > Rob > > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2007 15:13 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Scorpio > > > Why are so many people so excited about this? Session > > replication is not needed on the vast majority of sites - it > > just causes network chatter and it still has latency so if a > > session does failover due a server going down, you might > > still get a request into a new server instance before the > > session data is available. > > I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm excited about this, but session > replication in CF 7 and earlier is essentially half a feature. It's an > annoyance to hear that a product supports "neat feature x" and "neat > feature > y", but unfortunately you have to pick one or the other. Just like with > query caching and CFQUERYPARAM. > > > How many people are actually using replication and what is > > your justification for it? > > Several of our clients are using it, because they want a higher level of > failover than they can have without it. Why is that so hard to understand? > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net > > > > > ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277735 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Scorpio
Would someone mind giving me a quick 'synopsis' or what replication is all about? Presumably this is so you can run two identical setups with a network load balancer in the middle? I'm sure that blind guess is complete wrong though :-D just trying to learn something new. Thanks guys, Rob -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2007 15:13 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Scorpio > Why are so many people so excited about this? Session > replication is not needed on the vast majority of sites - it > just causes network chatter and it still has latency so if a > session does failover due a server going down, you might > still get a request into a new server instance before the > session data is available. I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm excited about this, but session replication in CF 7 and earlier is essentially half a feature. It's an annoyance to hear that a product supports "neat feature x" and "neat feature y", but unfortunately you have to pick one or the other. Just like with query caching and CFQUERYPARAM. > How many people are actually using replication and what is > your justification for it? Several of our clients are using it, because they want a higher level of failover than they can have without it. Why is that so hard to understand? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 & experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277732 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Scorpio
>> Just like with query caching and CFQUERYPARAM. And thank goodness this one has been fixed in Scorpio, along with caching now being supported for calls. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 10:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Scorpio > Why are so many people so excited about this? Session > replication is not needed on the vast majority of sites - it > just causes network chatter and it still has latency so if a > session does failover due a server going down, you might > still get a request into a new server instance before the > session data is available. I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm excited about this, but session replication in CF 7 and earlier is essentially half a feature. It's an annoyance to hear that a product supports "neat feature x" and "neat feature y", but unfortunately you have to pick one or the other. Just like with query caching and CFQUERYPARAM. > How many people are actually using replication and what is > your justification for it? Several of our clients are using it, because they want a higher level of failover than they can have without it. Why is that so hard to understand? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277731 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Jochem's example aside how would you keep state for say an administration > process which requires session awareness? i.e. a secure login to a forum or > beta side ala labs.adobe.com Keeping state is a two part process: - identifying an HTTP request as part of a session; - making session data available from request to request in a session. You have the following options for the identification step: - cookies; - URL variables; - FORM variables; - SSL client certificates; - HTTP authentication. The granularity of these methods differs, e.g. cookies and HTTP authentication are shared between multiple windows of the same browser process, URL and FORM variables not necessarily so, but in most cases these options can be used interchangeable. The options for making session data available from request to request are too many to mention. Out of the box CF comes with the following: - keep it in RAM in a single instance (session vars); - keep it in RAM in multiple instances but (session clustering); - keep it in a database (client variables); - keep it in the registry (client variables). But you can easily extend CF to use something else like writing a WDDX packet to the filesystem on each request (that comes close to what PHP does). All of the options for the first part can be combined with all of the options for the second part. You can literally mix and match till you find the optimal combination. For the examples you give, a forum and labs.adobe.com, all you really need is identification. That means that if you use SSL Client Certificates or HTTP authentication the browser will send its credentials on every request anyway, so you don't even need part 2. It is quite likely you want to use some of part 2 anyway because you want to cache certain information in RAM instead of getting it again on every request. So you add session variables to the mix and keep sticky sessions. No problem if there is a failover to another instance, you rebuild the info on the fly so it essentially has the same effect as a cache miss. If you need a more session info, like the content of a shopping cart, and you can absolutely not afford to lose any sessions, just keep it both in RAM and in a database and use sticky sessions. Whenever the content of the shopping cart changes update the database, but all reads come from RAM. If there is a server failover, just read the info from the database and again the net effect is merely a cache miss and not a lost session. Or if you don't care, just use sticky sessions without anything else and if a server fails some people have to login again. Combine whatever you need, there is no 'one size fits all' solution. Jochem ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277730 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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>Session variables. And session affinity on the load balancer. Isn't this sticky sessions? "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Peterson, Chris To: CF-Talk Sent: Fri May 11 14:04:30 2007 Subject: RE: Scorpio Tom, In an earlier discussion about this, Sean had this to say: "On 5/3/07, Peterson, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > May I ask how you maintain session state? Session variables. And session affinity on the load balancer. > Are you using the built in cluster > capability in Coldfusion, or a hardware device? Hardware. No JRun load balancing, no session replication. > Also, I have been trying to find out how effective cflock is in a > clustered environment. Locks affect just one server. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN" He is saying go straight session, and you say no session use Client vars. Is this just a preference, or are there actually pro's / con's to each method? Chris ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277729 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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> Why are so many people so excited about this? Session > replication is not needed on the vast majority of sites - it > just causes network chatter and it still has latency so if a > session does failover due a server going down, you might > still get a request into a new server instance before the > session data is available. I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm excited about this, but session replication in CF 7 and earlier is essentially half a feature. It's an annoyance to hear that a product supports "neat feature x" and "neat feature y", but unfortunately you have to pick one or the other. Just like with query caching and CFQUERYPARAM. > How many people are actually using replication and what is > your justification for it? Several of our clients are using it, because they want a higher level of failover than they can have without it. Why is that so hard to understand? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277728 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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Tom, In an earlier discussion about this, Sean had this to say: "On 5/3/07, Peterson, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > May I ask how you maintain session state? Session variables. And session affinity on the load balancer. > Are you using the built in cluster > capability in Coldfusion, or a hardware device? Hardware. No JRun load balancing, no session replication. > Also, I have been trying to find out how effective cflock is in a > clustered environment. Locks affect just one server. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN" He is saying go straight session, and you say no session use Client vars. Is this just a preference, or are there actually pro's / con's to each method? Chris ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277727 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Friday 11 May 2007, Peterson, Chris wrote: > Tom said "State would be kept in the client where it belongs." > > How do you maintain client state for AOL or TOR or multi-proxy users in > a cluster? If each client has a unique token, that's good enough, right ? As long as the server can turn tokens into users. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to proactively harvest intuitive infrastructures on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277726 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
On Friday 11 May 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Jochem's example aside how would you keep state for say an administration > process which requires session awareness? i.e. a secure login to a forum or > beta side ala labs.adobe.com Client-side token, such as a cookie. And yes, it's a very exciting area of CF - see Sean's preso. from cf.Objective() too. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to continually scale strategic infrastructures on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277725 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Tom said "State would be kept in the client where it belongs." How do you maintain client state for AOL or TOR or multi-proxy users in a cluster? Do you just append url tokens to every single form and link? This hits close to come as I am designing an app that requires session state, and I still have quite a few AOL users that I cannot abandon. Chris ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277722 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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Jochem's example aside how would you keep state for say an administration process which requires session awareness? i.e. a secure login to a forum or beta side ala labs.adobe.com What mechanisms would you put in place. This is an interesting topic I feel. -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2007 13:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio On Friday 11 May 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Ah, but what ye say about when you need session awareness within an > application? Store them in a DB? I'd make each part of the process (fetch data+movie, send data) an atomic Service-level operation. State would be kept in the client where it belongs. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to centrally integrate fine-grained customers on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277720 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Friday 11 May 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Ah, but what ye say about when you need session awareness within an > application? Store them in a DB? I'd make each part of the process (fetch data+movie, send data) an atomic Service-level operation. State would be kept in the client where it belongs. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to centrally integrate fine-grained customers on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277719 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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Tom Chiverton wrote: > On Friday 11 May 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: >> How? Sticky sessions; which are probably a greater evil. > > Not have sessions at all. > People connect, get some data and the movie. > Later, people connect and send some data. > > If both times you passed some sort of authentication information (like a > token > tied to usename and stored in the database) you wouldn't need to hold the > session open Correct. My preferred solution for that would be HTTP Digest Authentication. > (forever ? whats the current fall back if the user takes too > long ?) Fixed time surveys. Jochem ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277716 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Scorpio
Ah, but what ye say about when you need session awareness within an application? Store them in a DB? -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2007 11:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio On Friday 11 May 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > How? Sticky sessions; which are probably a greater evil. Not have sessions at all. People connect, get some data and the movie. Later, people connect and send some data. If both times you passed some sort of authentication information (like a token tied to usename and stored in the database) you wouldn't need to hold the session open (forever ? whats the current fall back if the user takes too long ?) -- Tom Chiverton Helping to carefully aggregate holistic markets on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277715 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
On Friday 11 May 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > How? Sticky sessions; which are probably a greater evil. Not have sessions at all. People connect, get some data and the movie. Later, people connect and send some data. If both times you passed some sort of authentication information (like a token tied to usename and stored in the database) you wouldn't need to hold the session open (forever ? whats the current fall back if the user takes too long ?) -- Tom Chiverton Helping to carefully aggregate holistic markets on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277712 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio
How? Sticky sessions; which are probably a greater evil. -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2007 11:16 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio On Friday 11 May 2007, Jochem van Dieten wrote: > We have an application where people connect to get survey data and a > Flash movie, then spend an hour filling out the survey in the Flash > movie and submit the result. It is quite important that their session is > still alive when they submit the data back to the server. You could factor out that requirement though, right ? -- Tom Chiverton Helping to widespreadedly incubate 24/7 ROI on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 & experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277708 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
On Friday 11 May 2007, Jochem van Dieten wrote: > We have an application where people connect to get survey data and a > Flash movie, then spend an hour filling out the survey in the Flash > movie and submit the result. It is quite important that their session is > still alive when they submit the data back to the server. You could factor out that requirement though, right ? -- Tom Chiverton Helping to widespreadedly incubate 24/7 ROI on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277706 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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Sean Corfield wrote: > > Why are so many people so excited about this? Because the PHB wants to be buzzword compliant. > How many people are actually using replication and what is your > justification for it? We have an application where people connect to get survey data and a Flash movie, then spend an hour filling out the survey in the Flash movie and submit the result. It is quite important that their session is still alive when they submit the data back to the server. Jochem ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 & experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277702 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio
How did you expect it to work? "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott To: CF-Talk Sent: Fri May 11 07:13:35 2007 Subject: Re: Scorpio Sean, I must admit too, I am not excited about serialization either. Only because it doesn't work the way I thought it would, but I guess because CF is what it is, how java and .net use it would be too dificult to implement. On 5/11/07, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 5/9/07, Brad Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Forta was at the Kansas City user group last night and I would just like > > to say I am so happy to hear that CFCs (and XML documents) will > > serialize properly in CF 8 and replicate between shared sessions! > > Why are so many people so excited about this? Session replication is > not needed on the vast majority of sites - it just causes network > chatter and it still has latency so if a session does failover due a > server going down, you might still get a request into a new server > instance before the session data is available. > > How many people are actually using replication and what is your > justification for it? > -- > Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN > An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ > > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." > -- Margaret Atwood > > ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277700 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
Sean, I must admit too, I am not excited about serialization either. Only because it doesn't work the way I thought it would, but I guess because CF is what it is, how java and .net use it would be too dificult to implement. On 5/11/07, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 5/9/07, Brad Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Forta was at the Kansas City user group last night and I would just like > > to say I am so happy to hear that CFCs (and XML documents) will > > serialize properly in CF 8 and replicate between shared sessions! > > Why are so many people so excited about this? Session replication is > not needed on the vast majority of sites - it just causes network > chatter and it still has latency so if a session does failover due a > server going down, you might still get a request into a new server > instance before the session data is available. > > How many people are actually using replication and what is your > justification for it? > -- > Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN > An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ > > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." > -- Margaret Atwood > > ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277699 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio
Agreed, but what are the alternatives in a multi instance session aware application? Other than sticky sessions from an HWLB which are probably more evil. "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield To: CF-Talk Sent: Fri May 11 06:48:44 2007 Subject: Re: Scorpio On 5/9/07, Brad Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Forta was at the Kansas City user group last night and I would just like > to say I am so happy to hear that CFCs (and XML documents) will > serialize properly in CF 8 and replicate between shared sessions! Why are so many people so excited about this? Session replication is not needed on the vast majority of sites - it just causes network chatter and it still has latency so if a session does failover due a server going down, you might still get a request into a new server instance before the session data is available. How many people are actually using replication and what is your justification for it? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277698 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
On 5/9/07, Brad Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Forta was at the Kansas City user group last night and I would just like > to say I am so happy to hear that CFCs (and XML documents) will > serialize properly in CF 8 and replicate between shared sessions! Why are so many people so excited about this? Session replication is not needed on the vast majority of sites - it just causes network chatter and it still has latency so if a session does failover due a server going down, you might still get a request into a new server instance before the session data is available. How many people are actually using replication and what is your justification for it? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277697 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio
No, "Scorpio M & M's taste like Java" Steve "Cutter" Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com Brad Wood wrote: > I have one thing to say: > "ColdFusion Scorpio Flavored M&M's" > > ~Brad > > Andy Matthews wrote: > >>Ben's going to be in Nashville TONIGHT!!! Just a few hours away! > > > ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277615 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
Mine's autographed :) On 5/9/07, M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Tell me you don't have a picture of him in your wallet.? > > > Are you trying to imply that this is not normal behavior? :-P > > > ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277514 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio
> Tell me you don't have a picture of him in your wallet.? Are you trying to imply that this is not normal behavior? :-P ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 & experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277462 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
Ahem...of course not... what kind of screw ball do you take me for? :-) Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Tell me you don't have a picture of him in your wallet.? > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, > Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, > Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is > confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the > intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note > that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the > information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call > our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this > communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." > Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com > > -Original Message- > From: Christopher Jordan > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Wed May 09 17:55:00 2007 > Subject: Re: Scorpio > > That's sweet Andy! If you've never heard him talk, you're in for a > treat! When he came here to Dallas was the first time I'd heard him, and > I could have listened (and asked questions) all night! As it is we were > there for three hours, and I don't think anyone wanted him to stop! :o) > > Have a good time! > Chris > > Andy Matthews wrote: > >> Ben's going to be in Nashville TONIGHT!!! Just a few hours away! >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:31 AM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Scorpio >> >> Forta was at the Kansas City user group last night and I would just like >> > to > >> say I am so happy to hear that CFCs (and XML documents) will serialize >> properly in CF 8 and replicate between shared sessions! >> >> >> >> Woohoo! >> >> >> >> ~Brad >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277459 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio
Shhh.. They're close doncha know. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio Tell me you don't have a picture of him in your wallet.? :-) -Original Message- From: Christopher Jordan To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed May 09 17:55:00 2007 Subject: Re: Scorpio That's sweet Andy! If you've never heard him talk, you're in for a treat! When he came her to Dallas was the first time I'd heard him, and I could have listened (and asked questions) all night! As it is we were there for three hours, and I don't think anyone wanted him to stop! :o) Have a good time! Chris ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277458 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio
I have one thing to say: "ColdFusion Scorpio Flavored M&M's" ~Brad Andy Matthews wrote: > Ben's going to be in Nashville TONIGHT!!! Just a few hours away! ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277456 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio
Tell me you don't have a picture of him in your wallet.? :-) "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Christopher Jordan To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed May 09 17:55:00 2007 Subject: Re: Scorpio That's sweet Andy! If you've never heard him talk, you're in for a treat! When he came her to Dallas was the first time I'd heard him, and I could have listened (and asked questions) all night! As it is we were there for three hours, and I don't think anyone wanted him to stop! :o) Have a good time! Chris Andy Matthews wrote: > Ben's going to be in Nashville TONIGHT!!! Just a few hours away! > > -Original Message- > From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:31 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Scorpio > > Forta was at the Kansas City user group last night and I would just like to > say I am so happy to hear that CFCs (and XML documents) will serialize > properly in CF 8 and replicate between shared sessions! > > > > Woohoo! > > > > ~Brad > > > > > > ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277454 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio
That's sweet Andy! If you've never heard him talk, you're in for a treat! When he came her to Dallas was the first time I'd heard him, and I could have listened (and asked questions) all night! As it is we were there for three hours, and I don't think anyone wanted him to stop! :o) Have a good time! Chris Andy Matthews wrote: > Ben's going to be in Nashville TONIGHT!!! Just a few hours away! > > -Original Message- > From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:31 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Scorpio > > Forta was at the Kansas City user group last night and I would just like to > say I am so happy to hear that CFCs (and XML documents) will serialize > properly in CF 8 and replicate between shared sessions! > > > > Woohoo! > > > > ~Brad > > > > > > ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 & experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277451 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio
Ben's going to be in Nashville TONIGHT!!! Just a few hours away! -Original Message- From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Scorpio Forta was at the Kansas City user group last night and I would just like to say I am so happy to hear that CFCs (and XML documents) will serialize properly in CF 8 and replicate between shared sessions! Woohoo! ~Brad ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277446 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio Prerelease Program
>I'll be the killjoy and say that you are now allowed to admit being in >the club :) > >You still can't mention those killer new features though, like >, and > >Andy > >On 11/04/07, Eric Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No cfbeer? I will never forget the attributes. Flavor and refill were by far my favorites. Please tell me it did get phased out. A great find on the old TeraTech cfml charts. ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274997 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio Prerelease Program
> You still can't mention those killer new features though, like > , and > > Andy > > This is an automatic reply sent from Scorpio Beta 2 using . Best of luck on the contest. ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274991 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio Prerelease Program
I'll be the killjoy and say that you are now allowed to admit being in the club :) You still can't mention those killer new features though, like , and Andy On 11/04/07, Eric Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DOH! > > -Original Message- > From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:30 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Scorpio Prerelease Program > > Now they have to kill you - you just admitted to being in the club :P > > On 4/11/07, Eric Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah...we would tell you, but then we would have to kill you...it's in the > > agreement heheheheh > > -- > mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: > http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ > > > > ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274988 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio Prerelease Program
DOH! -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio Prerelease Program Now they have to kill you - you just admitted to being in the club :P On 4/11/07, Eric Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah...we would tell you, but then we would have to kill you...it's in the > agreement heheheheh -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274987 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio Prerelease Program
Now they have to kill you - you just admitted to being in the club :P On 4/11/07, Eric Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah...we would tell you, but then we would have to kill you...it's in the > agreement heheheheh -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274985 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Scorpio Prerelease Program
Yeah...we would tell you, but then we would have to kill you...it's in the agreement heheheheh Sorry Eric :-D -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio Prerelease Program first rule about beta club is you don't talk about beta club. :-) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janitor, The Robertson Team mysecretbase.com ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274984 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio Prerelease Program
I doubt this violates NDA. But I'll still speak ambiguously just in case. Something I heard, from someone at Adobe, is that the Beta program queues up requests per Alpha/Beta release. So, if you made it before Adobe sent out the last batch of accounts, then you got in. If not, you have to wait until the next release. Releases occur once every few months or so I imagine, because I can only speculate Terrence Ryan Senior Systems Programmer Wharton Computing and Information Technology E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274910 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio Prerelease Program
first rule about beta club is you don't talk about beta club. :-) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janitor, The Robertson Team mysecretbase.com ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274898 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio Prerelease Program
John Sterrett wrote: > Does anyone know if adobe shutdown the Scorpio beta testing? I know it might > be late in the game but I would love to give it a run on our dev boxes. I > signed up a few weeks ago and have not received a reply via email. Many people have not heard anything back. I would not take that as a sign that the beta has been shut down, but as a sign that the current beta is full and new people will be allowed in later. Jochem ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274897 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Hi Rick, well that's not quite true. Railo indeed costs 100¤ per web in addition. But only up to 7 additional webs. Then the price remains the same for unlimited number of webs. And don't forget that you get additional security options with railo that would only be supported by mx7 enterprise. The enterprise version of Railo costs 2000$ but offers much more than that. Unlimited webs, and a very usefull server administrator. Just to let you know... Greetings / Grüsse Gert Franz Customer Care Railo Technologies GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.railo.ch Join our Mailing List / Treten Sie unserer Mailingliste bei: deutsch: http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/railo/ english: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/railo_talk/ Rick Faircloth schrieb: > Hi, Peter... > > Railo would actually end up costing me more than MM CF Pro. > I would need quite a few additional licenses for each website that > I host and that would quite costly. > > While it's not free, Coral Web Builder is reasonably priced at $225, > which I believe would include one developer license for me... that's > all I would need. However, I don't think it supports, among other > tags and functions, CFSCHEDULE, which I use heavily. So that's > a killer. However, it's free to deploy as much as I want on client's > machines without any additional fees. And I'm beginning to develop > more office/webware. Looks like it doesn't support LSParseDateTime, > ParseDateTime, ,or LSParseCurrency either... > > According to IgniteFusion's compatibility list, they don't support > CFSCHEDULE, either, so that would be out. > > Smith Project doesn't support CFSCHEDULE. Doesn't > support LSParseDateTime, ParseDateTime, or LSParseCurrency, > all of which I use a lot... so it looks like Smith is too lacking... > > The alternatives just aren't satisfactory... > > Rick > > > > -Original Message- > From: Peter Boughton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:07 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Scorpio - What to do until then? > > >> Perhaps there are free versions of a CF Server >> (Coral Web Builder, Smith Project, and one more I can't >> think of that is free) that can be utilized until Scorpio >> becomes available? >> > > Railo is free for community, low-budget business, and developer use, and has > a very cheap professional edition (â?¬200). > > I suspect IgniteFusion is the freeware one you're thinking of. I've looked > at that and wasn't too impressed; whilst I haven't done a proper evaluation > of them, I suspect Smith might be better. > > Coral Web Builder isn't free, it costs $225, plus $50 for each developer > license. > > > Unfortunately I haven't really looked at jQuery yet, so can't tell you which > of these might be most suitable. > > > > > >> Hi, all... >> >> Well, what I figured was going to happen is happening. >> >> There seems to be an emphasis in Scorpio in increasing >> the number of pre-built components, especially are Ajax >> functionality. >> >> And the Ajax bug has finally bitten me, via jQuery, but I'm >> running into limitations about what I can do server-side >> with CF 4.5... >> >> I'm planning to upgrade Scorpio when it becomes available >> proves itself reliable, but I want to use Ajax functionality >> now with CF 4.5 sp2 >> >> Is WDDX is the only option for accomplishing this with >> 4.5? >> >> I've been working with jQuery and using Ajax to send >> info to .cfm pages for processing, but I'm bumping up >> against the need to implement Ajax functionality on >> the server back to jQuery. >> >> Am I just out of luck without Json or is it worth the effort >> to develop in WDDX (if appropriate for my situation) >> until Scorpio is released? >> >> Perhaps there are free versions of a CF Server >> (Coral Web Builder, Smith Project, and one more I can't >> think of that is free) that can be utilized until Scorpio >> becomes available? >> >> Thanks for some perspective on this matter... >> >> Rick >> > > > > ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273655 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Rick, >Thanks for the clarification... it good to know I can do that >even with 4.5... and reset=""... doesn't appear I can do that. >The only attributes I the 4.0 WACK are file, type, and deletefile. > >How necessary is the reset=true attribute? Is there a workaround? The only thing the reset="true" does is clear the output stream. I use that to reduce whitespace output. You could control output just as easily with the setting. However, you should be able to just take the "reset" attribute out and run things as-is. -Dan ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273636 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
I figured that would be the case... with Ajax coming on so strongly, Adobe was bound to include as much built-in functionality as possible. That's why I'm waiting on CF 8 rather than bother with CF 7 now... Rick -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 9:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio - What to do until then? Oh and did i mention that Scorpio has some Ajax stuff built in? Sweet!!! (these are not breaking a NDA - Tim Buntel did a series of presentations of Scorpio at WebDU this week) Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 3/24/07, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am looking forward to it! > > Rick > > --- ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273634 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Oh and did i mention that Scorpio has some Ajax stuff built in? Sweet!!! (these are not breaking a NDA - Tim Buntel did a series of presentations of Scorpio at WebDU this week) Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 3/24/07, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am looking forward to it! > > Rick > > --- ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273633 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Thanks for the clarification... it good to know I can do that even with 4.5... and reset=""... doesn't appear I can do that. The only attributes I the 4.0 WACK are file, type, and deletefile. How necessary is the reset=true attribute? Is there a workaround? Rick PS - I will be so glad when CF 8 finally comes out. I'm feeling the pinch of outdated techniques. I was disappointed to hear the release was pushed back from this summer to the end of the year... -Original Message- From: Dan G. Switzer, II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 8:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Scorpio - What to do until then? Rick, >"If this is an AJAX call, we must return JSON data" > >As I'm using CF 4.5, I am really not sure if I have the option of >return JSON data to an AJAX call. Can you clarify for me whether >or not JSON data can be generated using CF 4.5? > >The point of utilizing JSON data comes up over and over again >as I try to realize a solution for using CF server-side validation >and AJAX. JSON is just text--specifically text formatted as a valid JavaScript variable. Where I think you're getting confused is most of the CF-related JSON tools out there are geared towards CFMX. However, all these tools do is help you generate the JSON string by converting a native CF variable to the JSON format. As you can clearly see in my example, I'm generating this "JSON" data by hand. As a matter of fact, my example should probably even run in CF4.5. The only thing I can see that might cause a problem is the reset="" attribute in the tag. I can't recall if that was available in CF4.5. -Dan ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273631 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Rick, >"If this is an AJAX call, we must return JSON data" > >As I'm using CF 4.5, I am really not sure if I have the option of >return JSON data to an AJAX call. Can you clarify for me whether >or not JSON data can be generated using CF 4.5? > >The point of utilizing JSON data comes up over and over again >as I try to realize a solution for using CF server-side validation >and AJAX. JSON is just text--specifically text formatted as a valid JavaScript variable. Where I think you're getting confused is most of the CF-related JSON tools out there are geared towards CFMX. However, all these tools do is help you generate the JSON string by converting a native CF variable to the JSON format. As you can clearly see in my example, I'm generating this "JSON" data by hand. As a matter of fact, my example should probably even run in CF4.5. The only thing I can see that might cause a problem is the reset="" attribute in the tag. I can't recall if that was available in CF4.5. -Dan ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273630 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Dan, I had a look at your presentation (nicely done) and a couple of the .cfm pages involved. I noticed that on the ex2_process.cfm page that a comment states: "If this is an AJAX call, we must return JSON data" As I'm using CF 4.5, I am really not sure if I have the option of return JSON data to an AJAX call. Can you clarify for me whether or not JSON data can be generated using CF 4.5? The point of utilizing JSON data comes up over and over again as I try to realize a solution for using CF server-side validation and AJAX. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: Dan G. Switzer, II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Scorpio - What to do until then? Rick, >At first, I used Jorn's Validation plug-in, but soon found myself >wanting to use CF functions to validate data and not just what >Jorn's plug-in offered. I had a good working solution (without CF >involved) >with his plug-in, but wanted to use CF so I could validate against >queries, etc, too. In my Spring Presentation I did yesterday, I should off an example that implements: * Applies any local validation defined * Submits form via AJAX * If the server finds errors, displays them to the user inline (looks like client-side validation) * If the server actually submits the results, then display a "Thank you" message. I think you'd find this flow would work exactly like what you're trying to achieve. Also, in my demo if you disable JS, everything still works as expected--which is what *should* happen. I've posted my presentation at: http://blog.pengoworks.com/blogger/index.cfm?action=blog:585 Take a look at the files for "ex2.5_mailing_list_validation_ajax.cfm" It shows off how you can combine local validation (using Jorn's Form Validation Plug-in) and submitting the form via AJAX (and reporting errors back.) You can also see the demo live at: http://www.pengoworks.com/workshop/jquery_demo/ex2.5_mailing_list_validation _ajax.cfm If you try to sign up with the e-mail address with my e-mail address, you'll notice you get an AJAX error (it'll have the string "[AJAX]" in it.) NOTE: The check for duplicate e-mails is hardcoded for the example, e-mail addresses aren't actually being added to anything. All the source code is in the presentation download. -Dan ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 & experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273629 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Thanks, Dan! That sounds great! I definitely give it a go! Rick -Original Message- From: Dan G. Switzer, II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Scorpio - What to do until then? Rick, >At first, I used Jorn's Validation plug-in, but soon found myself >wanting to use CF functions to validate data and not just what >Jorn's plug-in offered. I had a good working solution (without CF >involved) >with his plug-in, but wanted to use CF so I could validate against >queries, etc, too. In my Spring Presentation I did yesterday, I should off an example that implements: * Applies any local validation defined * Submits form via AJAX * If the server finds errors, displays them to the user inline (looks like client-side validation) * If the server actually submits the results, then display a "Thank you" message. I think you'd find this flow would work exactly like what you're trying to achieve. Also, in my demo if you disable JS, everything still works as expected--which is what *should* happen. I've posted my presentation at: http://blog.pengoworks.com/blogger/index.cfm?action=blog:585 Take a look at the files for "ex2.5_mailing_list_validation_ajax.cfm" It shows off how you can combine local validation (using Jorn's Form Validation Plug-in) and submitting the form via AJAX (and reporting errors back.) You can also see the demo live at: http://www.pengoworks.com/workshop/jquery_demo/ex2.5_mailing_list_validation _ajax.cfm If you try to sign up with the e-mail address with my e-mail address, you'll notice you get an AJAX error (it'll have the string "[AJAX]" in it.) NOTE: The check for duplicate e-mails is hardcoded for the example, e-mail addresses aren't actually being added to anything. All the source code is in the presentation download. -Dan ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273627 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Rick, >At first, I used Jorn's Validation plug-in, but soon found myself >wanting to use CF functions to validate data and not just what >Jorn's plug-in offered. I had a good working solution (without CF >involved) >with his plug-in, but wanted to use CF so I could validate against >queries, etc, too. In my Spring Presentation I did yesterday, I should off an example that implements: * Applies any local validation defined * Submits form via AJAX * If the server finds errors, displays them to the user inline (looks like client-side validation) * If the server actually submits the results, then display a "Thank you" message. I think you'd find this flow would work exactly like what you're trying to achieve. Also, in my demo if you disable JS, everything still works as expected--which is what *should* happen. I've posted my presentation at: http://blog.pengoworks.com/blogger/index.cfm?action=blog:585 Take a look at the files for "ex2.5_mailing_list_validation_ajax.cfm" It shows off how you can combine local validation (using Jorn's Form Validation Plug-in) and submitting the form via AJAX (and reporting errors back.) You can also see the demo live at: http://www.pengoworks.com/workshop/jquery_demo/ex2.5_mailing_list_validation _ajax.cfm If you try to sign up with the e-mail address with my e-mail address, you'll notice you get an AJAX error (it'll have the string "[AJAX]" in it.) NOTE: The check for duplicate e-mails is hardcoded for the example, e-mail addresses aren't actually being added to anything. All the source code is in the presentation download. -Dan ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273621 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Rick,
Hang tight. I'm off to lunch. I'll answer when I get back. :o)
Chris
Rick Faircloth wrote:
> Thanks for the code, Chris...
>
> I've looked it over (and certainly wouldn't pretend to understand it all),
> but I did notice that it sends a user to "Thank You" page if all is well.
>
> In my case, however, what I've got is a mortgage calculation form
> which performs these processes (at least this is what I'm trying to get to):
>
> - validate input on a "per field" basis (got that worked out) using CF code
> for validation
> - "Calculate" button for submission is disabled until all fields have
> validated
> - once all fields validate, CF processes the data and returns the mortgage
> payment
> to the form page
>
> I'm stuck after achieving the first part. I can validate all fields
> individually, server-side,
> using this code:
>
> $(document).ready(function(){
> $("input:text").debug().each(function(){
>
> var a = new Array();
>
> $(this).blur(function(){
>
> var Params={};
> Params[this.name]=this.value;
>
> console.log(Params);
>
>
> $.post("Calc_Test_Process_Field.cfm",Params);
>
> });
> });
> });
>
> After this has done its work, I want the Calculate button enabled,
> then, once the Calculate button is clicked, all form fields are
> submitted, CF processes the data and runs the formula, and the
> result is returned via Ajax to the form page for display.
>
> What I'm lacking is the last part... getting the calculated result
> (which I have) passed back to the form page.
>
> I tried using this with "onSubmit" and "onClick" but that wasn't making
> any difference:
>
>
> function CalculateMortgage(){
>
> var Params = {};
>
> $("input:text").each(function(){
>
> var Params={};
> Params[$(this).attr("name")] = $(this).val();
> });
>
> console.log(Params);
>
> $.post("Calc_Test_Process_Field.cfm", Params, function(data){
>
> $("#Result").empty().append(data);
>
> });
>
> return false;
> };
>
>
> How would (if needed) would your code be modified to handle
> this situation?
>
> One last thing for now... I noticed a JSON reference in your code...
> I thought I couldn't use JSON with CF 4.5???
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 1:20 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Scorpio - What to do until then?
>
> Rick,
>
> Rick Faircloth wrote:
>
>> But the problem I've come up against is, once the entire
>> form has valid entries, how to post the entire form
>> and have the result returned via Ajax.
>
> So, by post the form, you just mean that once all has been validated,
> that you need the Form fields (all inputs -- hidden, radio, textarea,
> select, etc.) to be passed to the server via Ajax right?
>
> Have you tried something like this:
>
>
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
I'm using this code to validate each field on blur.
(Perhaps my referencing this as an Ajax function is inaccurate. At this
point, I have been thinking that anything that interacted with another
document and returned information to a calling page without refreshing
the page is Ajax... incorrect thinking?)
$(document).ready(function(){
$("input:text").debug().each(function(){
var a = new Array();
$(this).blur(function(){
var Params={};
Params[this.name]=this.value;
console.log(Params);
$.post("Calc_Test_Process_Field.cfm",Params);
});
});
});
I haven't used the form plug-in your reference, but I'll have a look
at it now... maybe that'll open up the functionality I need.
At first, I used Jorn's Validation plug-in, but soon found myself
wanting to use CF functions to validate data and not just what
Jorn's plug-in offered. I had a good working solution (without CF involved)
with his plug-in, but wanted to use CF so I could validate against
queries, etc, too.
Paul (Vernon?) had something working like this that he showed me,
but he was using Json functionality to return the result to the
calling page, and have been thinking that CF 4.5 couldn't do Json.
Am I right?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Dan G. Switzer, II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 2:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Rick,
>I've been able to accomplish that when I'm validating the
>individual fields, but once all the fields are validated,
>I haven't figured out how to send the entire form at once.
>
>Perhaps another function (I tried that, but it's probably
>incorrect) that get's called when the "Calculate" button
>is clicked. That's what I'd like the user to do once the
>fields have all cleared validation.
>
>I was trying to use taconite to return the result that is
>processed, but I can't get it back to the form page
>for display.
>
>The browser is just displaying the raw taconite code,
>saying there is no style information associated with
>the info. I think it's just not getting passed via Ajax
>to the form page. At that point Firebug is "disabled"
>and it says the page cannot be displayed.
How are you currently "validating" the form?
How are you currently submitting the form via AJAX? Are you using the Form
Plug-in to submit via AJAX? If not, please take a look at that plug-in:
http://www.malsup.com/jquery/form/
-Dan
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RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Thanks for the code, Chris...
I've looked it over (and certainly wouldn't pretend to understand it all),
but I did notice that it sends a user to "Thank You" page if all is well.
In my case, however, what I've got is a mortgage calculation form
which performs these processes (at least this is what I'm trying to get to):
- validate input on a "per field" basis (got that worked out) using CF code
for validation
- "Calculate" button for submission is disabled until all fields have
validated
- once all fields validate, CF processes the data and returns the mortgage
payment
to the form page
I'm stuck after achieving the first part. I can validate all fields
individually, server-side,
using this code:
$(document).ready(function(){
$("input:text").debug().each(function(){
var a = new Array();
$(this).blur(function(){
var Params={};
Params[this.name]=this.value;
console.log(Params);
$.post("Calc_Test_Process_Field.cfm",Params);
});
});
});
After this has done its work, I want the Calculate button enabled,
then, once the Calculate button is clicked, all form fields are
submitted, CF processes the data and runs the formula, and the
result is returned via Ajax to the form page for display.
What I'm lacking is the last part... getting the calculated result
(which I have) passed back to the form page.
I tried using this with "onSubmit" and "onClick" but that wasn't making
any difference:
function CalculateMortgage(){
var Params = {};
$("input:text").each(function(){
var Params={};
Params[$(this).attr("name")] = $(this).val();
});
console.log(Params);
$.post("Calc_Test_Process_Field.cfm", Params, function(data){
$("#Result").empty().append(data);
});
return false;
};
How would (if needed) would your code be modified to handle
this situation?
One last thing for now... I noticed a JSON reference in your code...
I thought I couldn't use JSON with CF 4.5???
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 1:20 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Rick,
Rick Faircloth wrote:
> But the problem I've come up against is, once the entire
> form has valid entries, how to post the entire form
> and have the result returned via Ajax.
So, by post the form, you just mean that once all has been validated,
that you need the Form fields (all inputs -- hidden, radio, textarea,
select, etc.) to be passed to the server via Ajax right?
Have you tried something like this:
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Rick, >I've been able to accomplish that when I'm validating the >individual fields, but once all the fields are validated, >I haven't figured out how to send the entire form at once. > >Perhaps another function (I tried that, but it's probably >incorrect) that get's called when the "Calculate" button >is clicked. That's what I'd like the user to do once the >fields have all cleared validation. > >I was trying to use taconite to return the result that is >processed, but I can't get it back to the form page >for display. > >The browser is just displaying the raw taconite code, >saying there is no style information associated with >the info. I think it's just not getting passed via Ajax >to the form page. At that point Firebug is "disabled" >and it says the page cannot be displayed. How are you currently "validating" the form? How are you currently submitting the form via AJAX? Are you using the Form Plug-in to submit via AJAX? If not, please take a look at that plug-in: http://www.malsup.com/jquery/form/ -Dan ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273601 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Rick, Would something like I suggested in my previous post not work? Chris Rick Faircloth wrote: > I've been able to accomplish that when I'm validating the > individual fields, but once all the fields are validated, > I haven't figured out how to send the entire form at once. > > Perhaps another function (I tried that, but it's probably > incorrect) that get's called when the "Calculate" button > is clicked. That's what I'd like the user to do once the > fields have all cleared validation. > > I was trying to use taconite to return the result that is > processed, but I can't get it back to the form page > for display. > > The browser is just displaying the raw taconite code, > saying there is no style information associated with > the info. I think it's just not getting passed via Ajax > to the form page. At that point Firebug is "disabled" > and it says the page cannot be displayed. > > Rick > > -Original Message- > From: Dan G. Switzer, II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:56 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Scorpio - What to do until then? > > Rick, > >> But the problem I've come up against is, once the entire >> form has valid entries, how to post the entire form >> and have the result returned via Ajax. >> >> I've tried various methods, but haven't been able to accomplish >> it, yet > > Why not just use Taconite to replace your form with a "Thank You" > message--or whatever you want the user to see when the form has been > accepted. You should be able to replace the contents of the form tag. > > -Dan > > > > > ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273600 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
I've been able to accomplish that when I'm validating the individual fields, but once all the fields are validated, I haven't figured out how to send the entire form at once. Perhaps another function (I tried that, but it's probably incorrect) that get's called when the "Calculate" button is clicked. That's what I'd like the user to do once the fields have all cleared validation. I was trying to use taconite to return the result that is processed, but I can't get it back to the form page for display. The browser is just displaying the raw taconite code, saying there is no style information associated with the info. I think it's just not getting passed via Ajax to the form page. At that point Firebug is "disabled" and it says the page cannot be displayed. Rick -Original Message- From: Dan G. Switzer, II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Scorpio - What to do until then? Rick, >But the problem I've come up against is, once the entire >form has valid entries, how to post the entire form >and have the result returned via Ajax. > >I've tried various methods, but haven't been able to accomplish >it, yet Why not just use Taconite to replace your form with a "Thank You" message--or whatever you want the user to see when the form has been accepted. You should be able to replace the contents of the form tag. -Dan ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 & experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273598 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Script based UDFs were added in CF5. Tag based in CF6. There is a strong chance though that you can rewrite your UDF into a custom tag. On 3/23/07, Christopher Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rick, > > Rick Faircloth wrote: > > > But the problem I've come up against is, once the entire > > form has valid entries, how to post the entire form > > and have the result returned via Ajax. > > So, by post the form, you just mean that once all has been validated, > that you need the Form fields (all inputs -- hidden, radio, textarea, > select, etc.) to be passed to the server via Ajax right? > > Have you tried something like this: > >
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
I am looking forward to it! Rick -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 1:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio - What to do until then? Heheh i cant wait till Rick gets ScorpioWhat a quantum leap he's going to be making! Things the rest of us take for granted - cfforms that work, native XML tags, functions, CFCs, And thats before considering all the goodness wrapped up in teh Scorpio package - the PDF manipulation, the native image tags, the reporting, the server monitoring . . RICK You wont be able to believe what a jump you're going to make! CF405 was a good product - I came in to the CF world just before CF4.5 came out, but that was SO long ago. Think of how far your other computer apps have come in 10 years. Or you microwave. Or cameras, or TVs or cars anything else that has a lot of high technology in it. You're going to make a similar jump with coldfusion. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 3/24/07, Dan G. Switzer, II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rick, > > >But the problem I've come up against is, once the entire > >form has valid entries, how to post the entire form > >and have the result returned via Ajax. > > > >I've tried various methods, but haven't been able to accomplish > >it, yet > > Why not just use Taconite to replace your form with a "Thank You" > message--or whatever you want the user to see when the form has been > accepted. You should be able to replace the contents of the form tag. > > -Dan > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273595 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Rick, Rick Faircloth wrote: > But the problem I've come up against is, once the entire > form has valid entries, how to post the entire form > and have the result returned via Ajax. So, by post the form, you just mean that once all has been validated, that you need the Form fields (all inputs -- hidden, radio, textarea, select, etc.) to be passed to the server via Ajax right? Have you tried something like this:
Re: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Heheh i cant wait till Rick gets ScorpioWhat a quantum leap he's going to be making! Things the rest of us take for granted - cfforms that work, native XML tags, functions, CFCs, And thats before considering all the goodness wrapped up in teh Scorpio package - the PDF manipulation, the native image tags, the reporting, the server monitoring . . RICK You wont be able to believe what a jump you're going to make! CF405 was a good product - I came in to the CF world just before CF4.5 came out, but that was SO long ago. Think of how far your other computer apps have come in 10 years. Or you microwave. Or cameras, or TVs or cars anything else that has a lot of high technology in it. You're going to make a similar jump with coldfusion. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 3/24/07, Dan G. Switzer, II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rick, > > >But the problem I've come up against is, once the entire > >form has valid entries, how to post the entire form > >and have the result returned via Ajax. > > > >I've tried various methods, but haven't been able to accomplish > >it, yet > > Why not just use Taconite to replace your form with a "Thank You" > message--or whatever you want the user to see when the form has been > accepted. You should be able to replace the contents of the form tag. > > -Dan > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273580 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Hi, Peter... Railo would actually end up costing me more than MM CF Pro. I would need quite a few additional licenses for each website that I host and that would quite costly. While it's not free, Coral Web Builder is reasonably priced at $225, which I believe would include one developer license for me... that's all I would need. However, I don't think it supports, among other tags and functions, CFSCHEDULE, which I use heavily. So that's a killer. However, it's free to deploy as much as I want on client's machines without any additional fees. And I'm beginning to develop more office/webware. Looks like it doesn't support LSParseDateTime, ParseDateTime, ,or LSParseCurrency either... According to IgniteFusion's compatibility list, they don't support CFSCHEDULE, either, so that would be out. Smith Project doesn't support CFSCHEDULE. Doesn't support LSParseDateTime, ParseDateTime, or LSParseCurrency, all of which I use a lot... so it looks like Smith is too lacking... The alternatives just aren't satisfactory... Rick -Original Message- From: Peter Boughton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio - What to do until then? >Perhaps there are free versions of a CF Server >(Coral Web Builder, Smith Project, and one more I can't >think of that is free) that can be utilized until Scorpio >becomes available? Railo is free for community, low-budget business, and developer use, and has a very cheap professional edition (â¬200). I suspect IgniteFusion is the freeware one you're thinking of. I've looked at that and wasn't too impressed; whilst I haven't done a proper evaluation of them, I suspect Smith might be better. Coral Web Builder isn't free, it costs $225, plus $50 for each developer license. Unfortunately I haven't really looked at jQuery yet, so can't tell you which of these might be most suitable. >Hi, all... > >Well, what I figured was going to happen is happening. > >There seems to be an emphasis in Scorpio in increasing >the number of pre-built components, especially are Ajax >functionality. > >And the Ajax bug has finally bitten me, via jQuery, but I'm >running into limitations about what I can do server-side >with CF 4.5... > >I'm planning to upgrade Scorpio when it becomes available >proves itself reliable, but I want to use Ajax functionality >now with CF 4.5 sp2 > >Is WDDX is the only option for accomplishing this with >4.5? > >I've been working with jQuery and using Ajax to send >info to .cfm pages for processing, but I'm bumping up >against the need to implement Ajax functionality on >the server back to jQuery. > >Am I just out of luck without Json or is it worth the effort >to develop in WDDX (if appropriate for my situation) >until Scorpio is released? > >Perhaps there are free versions of a CF Server >(Coral Web Builder, Smith Project, and one more I can't >think of that is free) that can be utilized until Scorpio >becomes available? > >Thanks for some perspective on this matter... > >Rick ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273576 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Rick, >But the problem I've come up against is, once the entire >form has valid entries, how to post the entire form >and have the result returned via Ajax. > >I've tried various methods, but haven't been able to accomplish >it, yet Why not just use Taconite to replace your form with a "Thank You" message--or whatever you want the user to see when the form has been accepted. You should be able to replace the contents of the form tag. -Dan ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273575 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Hi, Dave... Any tutorials with examples on the subject that you can point me to? I'm totally new to Ajax and XML... I think that's what's causing my problem... just ignorance. Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 1:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Scorpio - What to do until then? > And the Ajax bug has finally bitten me, via jQuery, but I'm > running into limitations about what I can do server-side with > CF 4.5... There's no reason why you can't use AJAX functionality with CF 4.5. AJAX function calls simply return text. Newer versions of CF provide amenities, like CFCs and native XML handling, but you can still generate whatever text you like in CF 4.5. It will be up to you to make sure that the text contains valid XML, or JavaScript objects, or whatever your AJAX library expects to receive. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273574 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Hi, Chris... I haven't looked into UDF's, but I'm fairly certain that UDF's are "post-CF.45". In other words, can't be used. Here's what I'm up against. I'm using jQuery to $.post form fields to CF for validation (I prefer to do server-side right now, since I know how to do much more in CF than in JS). I've worked out the jQuery to submit the form fields and validate entries and return error messages to the calling page. I've been using Taconite to handle placement of the error messages. This has worked fine. But the problem I've come up against is, once the entire form has valid entries, how to post the entire form and have the result returned via Ajax. I've tried various methods, but haven't been able to accomplish it, yet Rick -Original Message- From: Christopher Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Scorpio - What to do until then? Rick, What are you missing that has to do with JSON? Will jsonencode() and jsondecode() not work for you on 4.5? I know I've taken part in a couple of your threads on this similar subject, but I forget. Those two functions are UDFs that you can obtain from CFLib.org... oh wait. Does 4.5 have UDFs? Chris ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273571 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Scorpio - What to do until then?
>Perhaps there are free versions of a CF Server >(Coral Web Builder, Smith Project, and one more I can't >think of that is free) that can be utilized until Scorpio >becomes available? Railo is free for community, low-budget business, and developer use, and has a very cheap professional edition (â¬200). I suspect IgniteFusion is the freeware one you're thinking of. I've looked at that and wasn't too impressed; whilst I haven't done a proper evaluation of them, I suspect Smith might be better. Coral Web Builder isn't free, it costs $225, plus $50 for each developer license. Unfortunately I haven't really looked at jQuery yet, so can't tell you which of these might be most suitable. >Hi, all... > >Well, what I figured was going to happen is happening. > >There seems to be an emphasis in Scorpio in increasing >the number of pre-built components, especially are Ajax >functionality. > >And the Ajax bug has finally bitten me, via jQuery, but I'm >running into limitations about what I can do server-side >with CF 4.5... > >I'm planning to upgrade Scorpio when it becomes available >proves itself reliable, but I want to use Ajax functionality >now with CF 4.5 sp2 > >Is WDDX is the only option for accomplishing this with >4.5? > >I've been working with jQuery and using Ajax to send >info to .cfm pages for processing, but I'm bumping up >against the need to implement Ajax functionality on >the server back to jQuery. > >Am I just out of luck without Json or is it worth the effort >to develop in WDDX (if appropriate for my situation) >until Scorpio is released? > >Perhaps there are free versions of a CF Server >(Coral Web Builder, Smith Project, and one more I can't >think of that is free) that can be utilized until Scorpio >becomes available? > >Thanks for some perspective on this matter... > >Rick ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273557 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Scorpio - What to do until then?
> And the Ajax bug has finally bitten me, via jQuery, but I'm > running into limitations about what I can do server-side with > CF 4.5... There's no reason why you can't use AJAX functionality with CF 4.5. AJAX function calls simply return text. Newer versions of CF provide amenities, like CFCs and native XML handling, but you can still generate whatever text you like in CF 4.5. It will be up to you to make sure that the text contains valid XML, or JavaScript objects, or whatever your AJAX library expects to receive. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 & experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273555 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Scorpio - What to do until then?
Rick, What are you missing that has to do with JSON? Will jsonencode() and jsondecode() not work for you on 4.5? I know I've taken part in a couple of your threads on this similar subject, but I forget. Those two functions are UDFs that you can obtain from CFLib.org... oh wait. Does 4.5 have UDFs? Chris Rick Faircloth wrote: > Hi, all... > > Well, what I figured was going to happen is happening. > > There seems to be an emphasis in Scorpio in increasing > the number of pre-built components, especially are Ajax > functionality. > > And the Ajax bug has finally bitten me, via jQuery, but I'm > running into limitations about what I can do server-side > with CF 4.5... > > I'm planning to upgrade Scorpio when it becomes available > proves itself reliable, but I want to use Ajax functionality > now with CF 4.5 sp2 > > Is WDDX is the only option for accomplishing this with > 4.5? > > I've been working with jQuery and using Ajax to send > info to .cfm pages for processing, but I'm bumping up > against the need to implement Ajax functionality on > the server back to jQuery. > > Am I just out of luck without Json or is it worth the effort > to develop in WDDX (if appropriate for my situation) > until Scorpio is released? > > Perhaps there are free versions of a CF Server > (Coral Web Builder, Smith Project, and one more I can't > think of that is free) that can be utilized until Scorpio > becomes available? > > Thanks for some perspective on this matter... > > Rick > > > > ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273554 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
