Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
I've been very satisfied with this laptop. Its a pretty sweet machine for development: http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Battalion_101_CZ-11_Ultra_2_Gaming_Laptop Processor Intel® Core⢠i7-740QM Mobile Processor (4x 1.73GHz/6MB L3 Cache) Memory 4GB [2GB x 2] 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM [Laptop Memory] - Corsair or Major Brand Video Card Mobility GDDR3 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5650 PCI-Express 3D Video [CZ-11 Ultra] Primary Hard Drive 500 GB 5400rpm Serial-ATA Super Slim Laptop Hard Drive Optical Drive 8x Dual Format DVD±R/±RW + 16x CD-R/RW Combo Drive [CZ-11 Ultra] Flash Media Reader/Writer Built-in 3-in-1 Media Card Reader/Writer [Laptop] Sound Card 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard Network Card Built-in 10/100/1000 Mbps LAN [Laptop] Internal Wireless Network Adapter Standard 802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium + Office Starter 2010 (Includes basic versions of Word and Excel) - 64-Bit USB Accessories Built-in 4x USB 2.0 Ports [Laptop] Video Camera Built-in 2.0 Mega Pixels Digital Web Video Camera Warranty Standard Warranty Service - Standard One(1) Year Limited Warranty + Lifetime Technical Support >Sorry for the OT, > >I'm looking to buy a new laptop mostly CF 9 development with CF >builder and Flash builder, >MS-SQL, Oracle a few local web sites, SVN .I guess just the usual >development stuff. > >I kind of narrowed my search to Sony Vaio F1290: >* Intel® Core Quad i7-840QM processor (1.86GHz) >* Microsoft Windows® 7 Professional >* 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3-SDRAM-1333 >* 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive [7200 rpm] >* DVD +/- R DL / DVD +/- RW / DVD-RAM Drive >*16.4" VAIO Premium Display (1920x1080) Full HD >* NVIDIA® GeForce® 330M GPU (1GB VRAM) >* Keyboard Backlight >* Large Capacity Battery >or > >ASUS G73JH-A1 - >Intel Core i7-720QM 1.6GHz Quad Core, >17.3" FHD 1920x1080 LED, >8GB DDR3, >1TB (2x500GB) HDD, >ATI RADEON HD 5870 1GB GDDR5, >Blu-ray Combo, >802.11bgn, >Gb LAN, Bluetooth, HDMI, Webcam, Card Reader, >Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit > >What do you guys recommend? > >Thanks >V ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336023 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
Cheers Dave, i guess i'm ok with just 4gb -- From: "Dave Watts" Sent: 04 August 2010 15:46 To: "cf-talk" Subject: Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop > >> And don't settle for less than 8gbs of RAM. 64 bit software has >> a tendency to eat up RAM >> >> news to me :0) is it not that just that 64bit tech has the ability to >> fully >> access 4gb of ram at the one time (If the os needs access to it) rather >> than >> eats it up. >> >> Anyone care to explain this one to me? i'm about to buy a new laptop and >> would appreciate some advice > > A 64-bit OS can address more than 4 GB RAM. 32-bit OSs generally can't. > > To oversimplify things a bit, numeric data types in a 64-bit OS are > larger (64-bit vs 32-bit) to take advantage of the increase in > register size. So, storing the same information in a 64-bit OS takes > more memory than it does in a 32-bit OS. But, this is outweighed by > the ability to address more memory in the first place. So, for > example, on a 32-bit OS a JVM can't really address more than 1.5 GB > RAM (if even that), but on a 64-bit OS a JVM can address significantly > more RAM so it doesn't really matter that it needs more memory in the > first place. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > http://training.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on > GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336015 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
> Maybe I am off base with this one, but the research I did a while back > stated that the biggest bottleneck to vm performance was disk io conflicts. That is definitely a big issue in a production environment, where you're more likely to be running multiple VMs. But in a developer's typical environment, that is going to be massively outweighed by the terribly slow access via USB 2 or Firewire. > I.e. if your vm lives on the same hd as your os and your programs they are > all competing to read and write at the same time. > > Having a separate hd, internal or external solves that problem. (i have an > external 7200 rpm firewire drive). A separate internal HDD definitely makes a big difference, but I can say from experience that the transfer speed of Firewire just isn't enough. I got an external eSATA drive, and that's sufficient, but I can't tell any significant difference (for me) from the internal SSD in my primary laptop (other than not having to store these giant files on my limited internal space). Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335991 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
Maybe I am off base with this one, but the research I did a while back stated that the biggest bottleneck to vm performance was disk io conflicts. I.e. if your vm lives on the same hd as your os and your programs they are all competing to read and write at the same time. Having a separate hd, internal or external solves that problem. (i have an external 7200 rpm firewire drive). I'll have to look up the articles that discussed this. Mark. Sent from my mobile device On 4 Aug 2010 04:39, "Dave Watts" wrote: > >> On another note - if you want the best performance out of your vms, put them >> on an external hd, the faster the better, with the fastest connection as >> well. > > Yikes! I'm sorry, but this is overall terrible advice unless you > happen to have external eSATA or something along those lines. Most > people have external drives using USB 2, and running VMs from that > will be exponentially slower. I haven't tried USB 3 yet, but no matter > what it's not going to match the performance from running them > onboard. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > http://training.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on > GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335990 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
> And don't settle for less than 8gbs of RAM. 64 bit software has > a tendency to eat up RAM > > news to me :0) is it not that just that 64bit tech has the ability to fully > access 4gb of ram at the one time (If the os needs access to it) rather than > eats it up. > > Anyone care to explain this one to me? i'm about to buy a new laptop and > would appreciate some advice A 64-bit OS can address more than 4 GB RAM. 32-bit OSs generally can't. To oversimplify things a bit, numeric data types in a 64-bit OS are larger (64-bit vs 32-bit) to take advantage of the increase in register size. So, storing the same information in a 64-bit OS takes more memory than it does in a 32-bit OS. But, this is outweighed by the ability to address more memory in the first place. So, for example, on a 32-bit OS a JVM can't really address more than 1.5 GB RAM (if even that), but on a 64-bit OS a JVM can address significantly more RAM so it doesn't really matter that it needs more memory in the first place. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335982 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
> On another note - if you want the best performance out of your vms, put them > on an external hd, the faster the better, with the fastest connection as > well. Yikes! I'm sorry, but this is overall terrible advice unless you happen to have external eSATA or something along those lines. Most people have external drives using USB 2, and running VMs from that will be exponentially slower. I haven't tried USB 3 yet, but no matter what it's not going to match the performance from running them onboard. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335981 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
I will take this as a segway to mention my favorite digital crack house: cedarpc.com http://www.cedarpc.com/index.php?open=onlinestore If you like a bargain and don't mind doing a little leg work you can find new and used machines here at a deep discount. They usually have some new sealed box machines with full warranty for $100-$200 below retail. I picked up a Dell MiniTower with an Intel duel core Core 2.66Ghz, 4 gig ram and 640GB HD for $218. It is not a hot rod like you are spec-ing out but it is a very capable dev box/media center on the cheap. My $0.02 and worth every penny. G! On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Mark Mandel wrote: > > Some thoughts to add to the mix. > > I consistently buy Dell laptops, for a variety of reasons, but primarily > for > their 3 year, on site support. As a contractor, even a single day downtime > is no good. > > No idea which part of the world you are in, but here in australia, I've > called tech support at 3pm and had a tech at my house 9am the next morning > to fix my computer. > > If you can find a brand of laptops that provide multi-year on site support, > it's invaluable. > > On another note - if you want the best performance out of your vms, put > them > on an external hd, the faster the better, with the fastest connection as > well. > > Anyway, just my experience, thought I would share. > -- Gerald Guido http://www.myinternetisbroken.com "Wait. We can't stop here. This is bat country." -- HST ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335977 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
This is the opposite of my experience. A VM running on the 7200 rpm drive in my almost 3 year old Macbook Pro is faster than one running on a FW800 Drobo off my Mac Pro. At least that's how it feels. Maybe I just expect less from my laptop! Andrew. On 2010-08-04, at 2:17, Mark Mandel wrote: > On another note - if you want the best performance out of your vms, put them > on an external hd, the faster the better, with the fastest connection as > well. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335967 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
I bought a high-end Vaio once. Within two years it was literally falling apart. Keys missing, screen shorting out, etc. The Apple Powerbook I bought to replace it still looks like new almost seven years later. IMHO nobody makes a better laptop than Apple, even if you just put Windows on it. It may be more expensive up front but you get what you pay for and you make most of it back on resale anyway. I know it's a cliché answer, but there it is. Maybe Sony's hardware quality has improved since 2001. Andrew. On 2010-08-03, at 23:33, Victor Moore wrote: > > Yes, it's a replacement for a desktop but will see some travel too. > I will have a couple of VM' too and that's the reason I went with 8gb. > and it' Asus not Acer :) > > @Alan I had before a ThinkPad and they are very reliable. Expensive, > kind of spartan looking but they never die. > > Probably I will go with Sony. Still debating if I should go with Quad > i7-740QM processor or Quad i7-840QM processor. Not sure if 200 > difference is worth it. > > Thanks > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Dave Watts wrote: >> >>> Price wise they are very similar. Asus has Blu-Ray, bigger screen and >>> hard drive but battery life sucks. >>> Sony smaller screen and hard and no Blu-Ray drive (I can add one for >>> 100 I think) but better CPU and much better battery. >> >> A lot of these things really depend on how you plan to use it. If >> you're getting a desktop replacement, you probably don't care about >> battery life. If you're not going to watch movies, you don't care >> about Blu-Ray, etc, etc. >> >> When I got my laptop (Dell Studio XPS 13) I had a very specific set of >> requirements, and that's what guided my purchase. I wanted something >> no larger than 13" (I have to schlep it around a lot), with at least 8 >> GB RAM, a SSD drive (fast, doesn't run as hot or use as much battery), >> and a webcam. There were only about 3 laptops around at the time that >> met those requirements, and this was the cheapest. >> >>> In the end I want one that's good quality and doesn't die after one year. >> >> Overall I've been very happy with Sony hardware, but their quality all >> seems to be on the high end - if you buy a really expensive Sony, >> it'll generally have a noticeably better build quality than their >> lower-end stuff. >> >> That said, I have some Sonys that have been all around the world, had >> the crap kicked out of them, and still work just fine. >> >> I don't really have any experience with Acer hardware. >> >>> @Dave u know the saying u can't be too slim or have too much memory :) >> >> Well, sure, if you're going to run a 64-bit OS. Otherwise, there's no >> need for more than 4GB. >> >> When I bought my laptop, about 18 months ago I guess, I specifically >> wanted one with 8GB RAM, and they were fairly rare at the time. But I >> wanted that primarily for running multiple VMs. I didn't really need >> that for CF development alone, where you might run CF, a database >> instance, an IDE and a browser. >> >> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software >> http://www.figleaf.com/ >> http://training.figleaf.com/ >> >> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on >> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized >> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. >> >> > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335966 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
And don't settle for less than 8gbs of RAM. 64 bit software has a tendency to eat up RAM news to me :0) is it not that just that 64bit tech has the ability to fully access 4gb of ram at the one time (If the os needs access to it) rather than eats it up. Anyone care to explain this one to me? i'm about to buy a new laptop and would appreciate some advice -- From: "Alan Rother" Sent: 03 August 2010 22:05 To: "cf-talk" Subject: Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop > > I'd lean towards the Sony if the price is comparable... but I would wipe > the > hard drive and re-install Windows7 clean from an original media disk, not > from the Sony disks... Too much bloat ware. > > As a 3rd alternate I'd look at Lenovo (Formally IBM) I've been really > happy > with my ThinkPad, but it wasn't cheap... > > And don't settle for less than 8gbs of RAM. 64 bit software has > a tendency to eat up RAM > > =] > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Dave Watts wrote: > >> >> > I'm looking to buy a new laptop mostly CF 9 development with CF >> > builder and Flash builder, >> > MS-SQL, Oracle a few local web sites, SVN .I guess just the usual >> > development stuff. >> > >> > I kind of narrowed my search to Sony Vaio F1290: >> >* Intel® CoreT Quad i7-840QM processor (1.86GHz) >> >* Microsoft Windows® 7 Professional >> >* 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3-SDRAM-1333 >> >* 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive [7200 rpm] >> >* DVD +/- R DL / DVD +/- RW / DVD-RAM Drive >> >*16.4" VAIO Premium Display (1920x1080) Full HD >> >* NVIDIA® GeForce® 330M GPU (1GB VRAM) >> >* Keyboard Backlight >> >* Large Capacity Battery >> > or >> > >> > ASUS G73JH-A1 - >> > Intel Core i7-720QM 1.6GHz Quad Core, >> > 17.3" FHD 1920x1080 LED, >> > 8GB DDR3, >> > 1TB (2x500GB) HDD, >> > ATI RADEON HD 5870 1GB GDDR5, >> > Blu-ray Combo, >> > 802.11bgn, >> > Gb LAN, Bluetooth, HDMI, Webcam, Card Reader, >> > Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit >> >> Both of those are more than adequate. Anything with 8 GB RAM is >> adequate (in fact, most developers don't even need that much). >> >> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software >> http://www.figleaf.com/ >> http://training.figleaf.com/ >> >> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on >> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized >> instruction at our training cen >> >> > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335965 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
Some thoughts to add to the mix. I consistently buy Dell laptops, for a variety of reasons, but primarily for their 3 year, on site support. As a contractor, even a single day downtime is no good. No idea which part of the world you are in, but here in australia, I've called tech support at 3pm and had a tech at my house 9am the next morning to fix my computer. If you can find a brand of laptops that provide multi-year on site support, it's invaluable. On another note - if you want the best performance out of your vms, put them on an external hd, the faster the better, with the fastest connection as well. Anyway, just my experience, thought I would share. Sent from my mobile device On 3 Aug 2010 17:39, "Victor Moore" wrote: > > I did look around and some time you can get 100 off. > > The advantage at the sony store is that it can be somewhat customized > (including engraving) and the previous model F11 has a 200$ discount > > Thanks > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Eric Roberts > wrote: >> >> You might want to check out some of the deals they have at Tiger Direct and >> New Egg...you can save a lot of money that way. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:10 PM >> To: cf-talk >> Subject: Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop >> >> >>> Price wise they are very similar. Asus has Blu-Ray, bigger screen and >>> hard drive but battery life sucks. >>> Sony smaller screen and hard and no Blu-Ray drive (I can add one for >>> 100 I think) but better CPU and much better battery. >> >> A lot of these things really depend on how you plan to use it. If >> you're getting a desktop replacement, you probably don't care about >> battery life. If you're not going to watch movies, you don't care >> about Blu-Ray, etc, etc. >> >> When I got my laptop (Dell Studio XPS 13) I had a very specific set of >> requirements, and that's what guided my purchase. I wanted something >> no larger than 13" (I have to schlep it around a lot), with at least 8 >> GB RAM, a SSD drive (fast, doesn't run as hot or use as much battery), >> and a webcam. There were only about 3 laptops around at the time that >> met those requirements, and this was the cheapest. >> >>> In the end I want one that's good quality and doesn't die after one year. >> >> Overall I've been very happy with Sony hardware, but their quality all >> seems to be on the high end - if you buy a really expensive Sony, >> it'll generally have a noticeably better build quality than their >> lower-end stuff. >> >> That said, I have some Sonys that have been all around the world, had >> the crap kicked out of them, and still work just fine. >> >> I don't really have any experience with Acer hardware. >> >>> @Dave u know the saying u can't be too slim or have too much memory :) >> >> Well, sure, if you're going to run a 64-bit OS. Otherwise, there's no >> need for more than 4GB. >> >> When I bought my laptop, about 18 months ago I guess, I specifically >> wanted one with 8GB RAM, and they were fairly rare at the time. But I >> wanted that primarily for running multiple VMs. I didn't really need >> that for CF development alone, where you might run CF, a database >> instance, an IDE and a browser. >> >> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software >> http://www.figleaf.com/ >> http://training.figleaf.com/ >> >> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on >> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized >> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. >> >> >> >> > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335964 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
I did look around and some time you can get 100 off. The advantage at the sony store is that it can be somewhat customized (including engraving) and the previous model F11 has a 200$ discount Thanks On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > You might want to check out some of the deals they have at Tiger Direct and > New Egg...you can save a lot of money that way. > > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:10 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop > > >> Price wise they are very similar. Asus has Blu-Ray, bigger screen and >> hard drive but battery life sucks. >> Sony smaller screen and hard and no Blu-Ray drive (I can add one for >> 100 I think) but better CPU and much better battery. > > A lot of these things really depend on how you plan to use it. If > you're getting a desktop replacement, you probably don't care about > battery life. If you're not going to watch movies, you don't care > about Blu-Ray, etc, etc. > > When I got my laptop (Dell Studio XPS 13) I had a very specific set of > requirements, and that's what guided my purchase. I wanted something > no larger than 13" (I have to schlep it around a lot), with at least 8 > GB RAM, a SSD drive (fast, doesn't run as hot or use as much battery), > and a webcam. There were only about 3 laptops around at the time that > met those requirements, and this was the cheapest. > >> In the end I want one that's good quality and doesn't die after one year. > > Overall I've been very happy with Sony hardware, but their quality all > seems to be on the high end - if you buy a really expensive Sony, > it'll generally have a noticeably better build quality than their > lower-end stuff. > > That said, I have some Sonys that have been all around the world, had > the crap kicked out of them, and still work just fine. > > I don't really have any experience with Acer hardware. > >> @Dave u know the saying u can't be too slim or have too much memory :) > > Well, sure, if you're going to run a 64-bit OS. Otherwise, there's no > need for more than 4GB. > > When I bought my laptop, about 18 months ago I guess, I specifically > wanted one with 8GB RAM, and they were fairly rare at the time. But I > wanted that primarily for running multiple VMs. I didn't really need > that for CF development alone, where you might run CF, a database > instance, an IDE and a browser. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > http://training.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on > GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335962 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
Yes, it's a replacement for a desktop but will see some travel too. I will have a couple of VM' too and that's the reason I went with 8gb. and it' Asus not Acer :) @Alan I had before a ThinkPad and they are very reliable. Expensive, kind of spartan looking but they never die. Probably I will go with Sony. Still debating if I should go with Quad i7-740QM processor or Quad i7-840QM processor. Not sure if 200 difference is worth it. Thanks On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Dave Watts wrote: > >> Price wise they are very similar. Asus has Blu-Ray, bigger screen and >> hard drive but battery life sucks. >> Sony smaller screen and hard and no Blu-Ray drive (I can add one for >> 100 I think) but better CPU and much better battery. > > A lot of these things really depend on how you plan to use it. If > you're getting a desktop replacement, you probably don't care about > battery life. If you're not going to watch movies, you don't care > about Blu-Ray, etc, etc. > > When I got my laptop (Dell Studio XPS 13) I had a very specific set of > requirements, and that's what guided my purchase. I wanted something > no larger than 13" (I have to schlep it around a lot), with at least 8 > GB RAM, a SSD drive (fast, doesn't run as hot or use as much battery), > and a webcam. There were only about 3 laptops around at the time that > met those requirements, and this was the cheapest. > >> In the end I want one that's good quality and doesn't die after one year. > > Overall I've been very happy with Sony hardware, but their quality all > seems to be on the high end - if you buy a really expensive Sony, > it'll generally have a noticeably better build quality than their > lower-end stuff. > > That said, I have some Sonys that have been all around the world, had > the crap kicked out of them, and still work just fine. > > I don't really have any experience with Acer hardware. > >> @Dave u know the saying u can't be too slim or have too much memory :) > > Well, sure, if you're going to run a 64-bit OS. Otherwise, there's no > need for more than 4GB. > > When I bought my laptop, about 18 months ago I guess, I specifically > wanted one with 8GB RAM, and they were fairly rare at the time. But I > wanted that primarily for running multiple VMs. I didn't really need > that for CF development alone, where you might run CF, a database > instance, an IDE and a browser. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > http://training.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on > GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335961 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: SOT: Best CF development laptop
You might want to check out some of the deals they have at Tiger Direct and New Egg...you can save a lot of money that way. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:10 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop > Price wise they are very similar. Asus has Blu-Ray, bigger screen and > hard drive but battery life sucks. > Sony smaller screen and hard and no Blu-Ray drive (I can add one for > 100 I think) but better CPU and much better battery. A lot of these things really depend on how you plan to use it. If you're getting a desktop replacement, you probably don't care about battery life. If you're not going to watch movies, you don't care about Blu-Ray, etc, etc. When I got my laptop (Dell Studio XPS 13) I had a very specific set of requirements, and that's what guided my purchase. I wanted something no larger than 13" (I have to schlep it around a lot), with at least 8 GB RAM, a SSD drive (fast, doesn't run as hot or use as much battery), and a webcam. There were only about 3 laptops around at the time that met those requirements, and this was the cheapest. > In the end I want one that's good quality and doesn't die after one year. Overall I've been very happy with Sony hardware, but their quality all seems to be on the high end - if you buy a really expensive Sony, it'll generally have a noticeably better build quality than their lower-end stuff. That said, I have some Sonys that have been all around the world, had the crap kicked out of them, and still work just fine. I don't really have any experience with Acer hardware. > @Dave u know the saying u can't be too slim or have too much memory :) Well, sure, if you're going to run a 64-bit OS. Otherwise, there's no need for more than 4GB. When I bought my laptop, about 18 months ago I guess, I specifically wanted one with 8GB RAM, and they were fairly rare at the time. But I wanted that primarily for running multiple VMs. I didn't really need that for CF development alone, where you might run CF, a database instance, an IDE and a browser. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335960 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
> Price wise they are very similar. Asus has Blu-Ray, bigger screen and > hard drive but battery life sucks. > Sony smaller screen and hard and no Blu-Ray drive (I can add one for > 100 I think) but better CPU and much better battery. A lot of these things really depend on how you plan to use it. If you're getting a desktop replacement, you probably don't care about battery life. If you're not going to watch movies, you don't care about Blu-Ray, etc, etc. When I got my laptop (Dell Studio XPS 13) I had a very specific set of requirements, and that's what guided my purchase. I wanted something no larger than 13" (I have to schlep it around a lot), with at least 8 GB RAM, a SSD drive (fast, doesn't run as hot or use as much battery), and a webcam. There were only about 3 laptops around at the time that met those requirements, and this was the cheapest. > In the end I want one that's good quality and doesn't die after one year. Overall I've been very happy with Sony hardware, but their quality all seems to be on the high end - if you buy a really expensive Sony, it'll generally have a noticeably better build quality than their lower-end stuff. That said, I have some Sonys that have been all around the world, had the crap kicked out of them, and still work just fine. I don't really have any experience with Acer hardware. > @Dave u know the saying u can't be too slim or have too much memory :) Well, sure, if you're going to run a 64-bit OS. Otherwise, there's no need for more than 4GB. When I bought my laptop, about 18 months ago I guess, I specifically wanted one with 8GB RAM, and they were fairly rare at the time. But I wanted that primarily for running multiple VMs. I didn't really need that for CF development alone, where you might run CF, a database instance, an IDE and a browser. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335958 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
Thank you guys. Informative as usual. Price wise they are very similar. Asus has Blu-Ray, bigger screen and hard drive but battery life sucks. Sony smaller screen and hard and no Blu-Ray drive (I can add one for 100 I think) but better CPU and much better battery. In the end I want one that's good quality and doesn't die after one year. @Dave u know the saying u can't be too slim or have too much memory :) I guess i will have to go with my instinct Thanks again Victor On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: > > Personally I would go with the ASUS Lappy if anything for the Blu-Ray drive > and the HDMI out. I am a big fan of ASUS motherboards and if their Laptops > are anything like their MB's then it will kick arse and take names. THe only > thing I don't like about the ASUS is the weight and the size. 8lbs is a lot > for a laptop IMO. > > G! > > > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Victor Moore wrote: > >> >> Sorry for the OT, >> >> I'm looking to buy a new laptop mostly CF 9 development with CF >> builder and Flash builder, >> MS-SQL, Oracle a few local web sites, SVN .I guess just the usual >> development stuff. >> >> I kind of narrowed my search to Sony Vaio F1290: >> * Intel® Core Quad i7-840QM processor (1.86GHz) >> * Microsoft Windows® 7 Professional >> * 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3-SDRAM-1333 >> * 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive [7200 rpm] >> * DVD +/- R DL / DVD +/- RW / DVD-RAM Drive >> *16.4" VAIO Premium Display (1920x1080) Full HD >> * NVIDIA® GeForce® 330M GPU (1GB VRAM) >> * Keyboard Backlight >> * Large Capacity Battery >> or >> >> ASUS G73JH-A1 - >> Intel Core i7-720QM 1.6GHz Quad Core, >> 17.3" FHD 1920x1080 LED, >> 8GB DDR3, >> 1TB (2x500GB) HDD, >> ATI RADEON HD 5870 1GB GDDR5, >> Blu-ray Combo, >> 802.11bgn, >> Gb LAN, Bluetooth, HDMI, Webcam, Card Reader, >> Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit >> >> What do you guys recommend? >> >> Thanks >> V >> >> > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335956 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
Personally I would go with the ASUS Lappy if anything for the Blu-Ray drive and the HDMI out. I am a big fan of ASUS motherboards and if their Laptops are anything like their MB's then it will kick arse and take names. THe only thing I don't like about the ASUS is the weight and the size. 8lbs is a lot for a laptop IMO. G! On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Victor Moore wrote: > > Sorry for the OT, > > I'm looking to buy a new laptop mostly CF 9 development with CF > builder and Flash builder, > MS-SQL, Oracle a few local web sites, SVN .I guess just the usual > development stuff. > > I kind of narrowed my search to Sony Vaio F1290: >* Intel® Core Quad i7-840QM processor (1.86GHz) >* Microsoft Windows® 7 Professional >* 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3-SDRAM-1333 >* 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive [7200 rpm] >* DVD +/- R DL / DVD +/- RW / DVD-RAM Drive >*16.4" VAIO Premium Display (1920x1080) Full HD >* NVIDIA® GeForce® 330M GPU (1GB VRAM) >* Keyboard Backlight >* Large Capacity Battery > or > > ASUS G73JH-A1 - > Intel Core i7-720QM 1.6GHz Quad Core, > 17.3" FHD 1920x1080 LED, > 8GB DDR3, > 1TB (2x500GB) HDD, > ATI RADEON HD 5870 1GB GDDR5, > Blu-ray Combo, > 802.11bgn, > Gb LAN, Bluetooth, HDMI, Webcam, Card Reader, > Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit > > What do you guys recommend? > > Thanks > V > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335955 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
I'd lean towards the Sony if the price is comparable... but I would wipe the hard drive and re-install Windows7 clean from an original media disk, not from the Sony disks... Too much bloat ware. As a 3rd alternate I'd look at Lenovo (Formally IBM) I've been really happy with my ThinkPad, but it wasn't cheap... And don't settle for less than 8gbs of RAM. 64 bit software has a tendency to eat up RAM =] On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Dave Watts wrote: > > > I'm looking to buy a new laptop mostly CF 9 development with CF > > builder and Flash builder, > > MS-SQL, Oracle a few local web sites, SVN .I guess just the usual > > development stuff. > > > > I kind of narrowed my search to Sony Vaio F1290: > >* Intel® Core Quad i7-840QM processor (1.86GHz) > >* Microsoft Windows® 7 Professional > >* 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3-SDRAM-1333 > >* 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive [7200 rpm] > >* DVD +/- R DL / DVD +/- RW / DVD-RAM Drive > >*16.4" VAIO Premium Display (1920x1080) Full HD > >* NVIDIA® GeForce® 330M GPU (1GB VRAM) > >* Keyboard Backlight > >* Large Capacity Battery > > or > > > > ASUS G73JH-A1 - > > Intel Core i7-720QM 1.6GHz Quad Core, > > 17.3" FHD 1920x1080 LED, > > 8GB DDR3, > > 1TB (2x500GB) HDD, > > ATI RADEON HD 5870 1GB GDDR5, > > Blu-ray Combo, > > 802.11bgn, > > Gb LAN, Bluetooth, HDMI, Webcam, Card Reader, > > Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit > > Both of those are more than adequate. Anything with 8 GB RAM is > adequate (in fact, most developers don't even need that much). > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > http://training.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on > GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training cen > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335953 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Best CF development laptop
> I'm looking to buy a new laptop mostly CF 9 development with CF > builder and Flash builder, > MS-SQL, Oracle a few local web sites, SVN .I guess just the usual > development stuff. > > I kind of narrowed my search to Sony Vaio F1290: > * Intel® Core Quad i7-840QM processor (1.86GHz) > * Microsoft Windows® 7 Professional > * 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3-SDRAM-1333 > * 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive [7200 rpm] > * DVD +/- R DL / DVD +/- RW / DVD-RAM Drive > *16.4" VAIO Premium Display (1920x1080) Full HD > * NVIDIA® GeForce® 330M GPU (1GB VRAM) > * Keyboard Backlight > * Large Capacity Battery > or > > ASUS G73JH-A1 - > Intel Core i7-720QM 1.6GHz Quad Core, > 17.3" FHD 1920x1080 LED, > 8GB DDR3, > 1TB (2x500GB) HDD, > ATI RADEON HD 5870 1GB GDDR5, > Blu-ray Combo, > 802.11bgn, > Gb LAN, Bluetooth, HDMI, Webcam, Card Reader, > Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Both of those are more than adequate. Anything with 8 GB RAM is adequate (in fact, most developers don't even need that much). Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training cen ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335952 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
