SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
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Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
Sorry - forgot the Canuck nuances :) - I did preface it by saying - please don't take any of it as final! - As for a company adding those fees when shipping to Canada - one of my clients ahd me do it. Perhaps that is why they killed the shipping to Canada within 3 months - it was expensive! jay miller Bryan Stevenson wrote: Matt, Jason's info is a tad off in some casesI'm a Canuck...trust me ;-) For starters the brokerage fee and all that nonsense is only in play if the goods cross the border. That said, I have yet to see 1 US site add these fees to the price when shipping goods to Canada (we end up getting an additional bill from the CCRA...like IRS for you yanks). BTW that bill is often about half the cost of the goods! The rates for provinces are off and are combining 2 taxes (GST and PST and sometimes HST). These amounts need to be reported seperately. I've already contacted Matt offline, but for anyone else interested go here: http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/menu-e.html <http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/menu-e.html> (like IRS) and follow the tax link...it should give all the details for each province. HTH Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:bryan@;electricedgesystems.com> - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com <http://www.macromedia.com> - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com <http://www.cfug-vancouverisland.com> - Original Message - From: "Jason Miller" <mailto:millerj@;etcnj.com> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <mailto:cf-talk@;houseoffusion.com> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada Matt - I just actually dissassembled a canada shipping/ tax piece on one of my clients sites I built. Basically here are the elements - 1) Broker Fee / Customs and all that - Typically a broker fee is involved - a percentage based fee. Includes a standard federal percetn fee too I believe. If not broker- then I guess jsut the federal - my clients used a Broker to eliminate this guessing. 2) Province tax - as much as 15% in Newfoundland 3) Exchange Rate 4) Your shipping rates - flat rate or carrier We applied tax pre-shipping cost - yet the broker fee I beleive needed to be on complete purchase. Hope this little bit helps. Feel free to email me off list if you wnat further details. jay miller P.S. THe rates i have for province are as follows ( please confirm them) ProvinceProvAbrTaxRate AlbertaAB7 British ColumbiaBC14 ManitobaMB14 New BrunswickNB15 NewfoundlandNF15 Northwest TerritoriesNT7 Nova ScotiaNS15 NunavutNT7 OntarioON15 Prince Edward IslandPE7 QuebecPQ16 SaskatchewanSK13 YukonYT7 Matthew Fusfield wrote: Hi, We are building an e-commerce site that is specifically targeted to a Canadian market. Most of our work has either been US domestic or so international that we use a 3rd party to do the calculations. Anyway, anyone know of or have a quick reference to how sales taxes are calculated in Canada and to what they apply? (ie I believe one of the taxes applies to another tax, and are shipping charges generally taxed?) We are having trouble getting information out of our client that is accurate in this area. Thanks, Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
and whatever happend to free trade.. I had some clawfoot tub shower hardware shipped up from the US...cost $120fees at border $60 ouch thanks for the info Dawn BTW...Bob & Doug can be found here: http://aetherealforge.com/~aeon/humor/12days.html Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Dawn Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > One last note Bryan > > The fees charged by the courier companies are the same in nature as those > charged by brokers--it's just the courier company acting as the broker. The > fee is charged per entry (they have to make a submission called a B3 per > shipment--now most of this is done electronically using systems called CADEX > and ACROSS). The courier companies, like the brokers, submit duty on your > behalf--they may or may not pay the GST. It varies. The brokerage fee is a > handling fee and is usually a minimum of around $40 or $50, sometimes it's a > percentage of the value of the goods over and above the minimum, and often > it's inflated by various little service charges (number of lines having to > be rated, etc.). Some goods are duty-free--that gets complicated. > > And a way to avoid paying high brokerage fees using FEDEX or UPS is to ship > the goods to yourself personally--avoid the use of a company name--they then > assume the goods are personal, and they usually won't charge the brokerage > fee--except FEDEX always charges if it's a ground shipment I believe ?? Go > figure. > > Anyway, you are right. This is a importing issue--not an ecomm matter. > Whatever costs accrue as a result of importing goods should already be built > into the purchase price by then. > > My father ran a brokerage business--retired at age 40 and lives in New > Zealand. Lucrative I guess :o~ > > Dawn > > > > Way to go Dawn...a Canuck on Canuck taxes...excellent ;-) > > > > Just one note on brokerage fees > > > > I believe they relate to the fees charged by the courier companies when > > goods cross the border or it's just another fee from the CCRA (Canadian > > Customs and Revenue Agency). There is always duty and then the mysterious > > extra brokerage/handling fee (which is usually really high). I don't > think > > it neccessarily has anything to do with using a specific broker for > > importing/exporting goods. > > > > Either way it's nothing that should be factored into your eComm site > (other > > than to mention to customers they could get dinged at the border). > > > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > > t. 250.920.8830 > > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
One last note Bryan The fees charged by the courier companies are the same in nature as those charged by brokers--it's just the courier company acting as the broker. The fee is charged per entry (they have to make a submission called a B3 per shipment--now most of this is done electronically using systems called CADEX and ACROSS). The courier companies, like the brokers, submit duty on your behalf--they may or may not pay the GST. It varies. The brokerage fee is a handling fee and is usually a minimum of around $40 or $50, sometimes it's a percentage of the value of the goods over and above the minimum, and often it's inflated by various little service charges (number of lines having to be rated, etc.). Some goods are duty-free--that gets complicated. And a way to avoid paying high brokerage fees using FEDEX or UPS is to ship the goods to yourself personally--avoid the use of a company name--they then assume the goods are personal, and they usually won't charge the brokerage fee--except FEDEX always charges if it's a ground shipment I believe ?? Go figure. Anyway, you are right. This is a importing issue--not an ecomm matter. Whatever costs accrue as a result of importing goods should already be built into the purchase price by then. My father ran a brokerage business--retired at age 40 and lives in New Zealand. Lucrative I guess :o~ Dawn > Way to go Dawn...a Canuck on Canuck taxes...excellent ;-) > > Just one note on brokerage fees > > I believe they relate to the fees charged by the courier companies when > goods cross the border or it's just another fee from the CCRA (Canadian > Customs and Revenue Agency). There is always duty and then the mysterious > extra brokerage/handling fee (which is usually really high). I don't think > it neccessarily has anything to do with using a specific broker for > importing/exporting goods. > > Either way it's nothing that should be factored into your eComm site (other > than to mention to customers they could get dinged at the border). > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > t. 250.920.8830 > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
hehe...eh...time to haul out the Bob & Doug McKenzie 12 days of Christmas Flash movie ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Stacy Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: RE: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > All you have to do is rent the movie "Strange Brew" and you will learn all > there is to know about Canadians eh. > > Bob and Doug are quite knowledgeable. :-) > > Stace > > -Original Message- > From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:bryan@;electricedgesystems.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:53 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > > No No No...sorry Thane but you're wrong. In most provinces the PST and GST > are calculated seperately. > > Againplease leave Canadian matters to us in the Great White North ;-) > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > t. 250.920.8830 > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > Macromedia Associate Partner > www.macromedia.com > - > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group > Founder & Director > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > - Original Message ----- > From: "Thane Sherrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:19 AM > Subject: RE: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > > > > At 11:11 AM 13/11/02 -0500, Stacy Young wrote: > > >This means tax on tax. After the provincial tax is applied you then apply > > >the GST on the price PLUS the first tax. In effect, the actual tax rate > in > > >Quebec is 15.56%. > > > > This is correct. For all provinces that have both GST and PST, the PST is > > applied after the GST. Provinces with HST (like Nova Scotia) are a flat > 15%. > > > > T > > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
All you have to do is rent the movie "Strange Brew" and you will learn all there is to know about Canadians eh. Bob and Doug are quite knowledgeable. :-) Stace -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:bryan@;electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada No No No...sorry Thane but you're wrong. In most provinces the PST and GST are calculated seperately. Againplease leave Canadian matters to us in the Great White North ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Thane Sherrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:19 AM Subject: RE: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > At 11:11 AM 13/11/02 -0500, Stacy Young wrote: > >This means tax on tax. After the provincial tax is applied you then apply > >the GST on the price PLUS the first tax. In effect, the actual tax rate in > >Quebec is 15.56%. > > This is correct. For all provinces that have both GST and PST, the PST is > applied after the GST. Provinces with HST (like Nova Scotia) are a flat 15%. > > T > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
A...it's all becoming clear Stacy ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Stacy Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:53 AM Subject: RE: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > I live in Montreal. =P > > > -Original Message- > From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:bryan@;electricedgesystems.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:21 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > > The tax on tax is only in 1 or 2 provinces and it's the PST on top of the > GST... > > For the the love of hockey and good beerall Americans stop guessing :-) > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > t. 250.920.8830 > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > Macromedia Associate Partner > www.macromedia.com > - > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group > Founder & Director > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > - Original Message ----- > From: "Stacy Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:11 AM > Subject: RE: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > > > > You have to be careful on applying taxes...I believe it's the provincial > tax > > followed by the GST (goods and services tax). - *think* that's the right > > order. > > > > This means tax on tax. After the provincial tax is applied you then apply > > the GST on the price PLUS the first tax. In effect, the actual tax rate in > > Quebec is 15.56%. > > > > I'm also not sure as to whether that method only applies to Quebec and not > > all the provinces... > > > > Cheers, > > > > Stace > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jason Miller [mailto:millerj@;etcnj.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:11 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > > > > Matt - > > I just actually dissassembled a canada shipping/ tax piece on one of my > > clients sites I built. > > Basically here are the elements - > > 1) Broker Fee / Customs and all that - Typically a broker fee is > > involved - a percentage based fee. Includes a standard federal percetn > > fee too I believe. If not broker- then I guess jsut the federal - my > > clients used a Broker to eliminate this guessing. > > 2) Province tax - as much as 15% in Newfoundland > > 3) Exchange Rate > > 4) Your shipping rates - flat rate or carrier > > > > We applied tax pre-shipping cost - yet the broker fee I beleive needed > > to be on complete purchase. > > > > Hope this little bit helps. Feel free to email me off list if you wnat > > further details. > > jay miller > > > > P.S. THe rates i have for province are as follows ( please confirm them) > > ProvinceProvAbrTaxRate > > AlbertaAB7 > > British ColumbiaBC14 > > ManitobaMB14 > > New BrunswickNB15 > > NewfoundlandNF15 > > Northwest TerritoriesNT7 > > Nova ScotiaNS15 > > NunavutNT7 > > OntarioON15 > > Prince Edward IslandPE7 > > QuebecPQ16 > > SaskatchewanSK13 > > YukonYT7 > > > > Matthew Fusfield wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > >We are building an e-commerce site that is specifically targeted to a > > Canadian market. Most of our work has either been US domestic or so > > international that we use a 3rd party to do the calculations. > > > > > >Anyway, anyone know of or have a quick reference to how sales taxes are > > calculated in Canada and to what they apply? (ie I believe one of the > taxes > > applies to another tax, and are shipping charges generally taxed?) We are > > having trouble getting information out of our client that is accurate in > > this area. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
Oh no...a Habs fan! Go Leafs Go! On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:53:14 -0500, Stacy Young wrote: > I live in Montreal. =P > > > -Original Message- > From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:bryan@;electricedgesystems.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:21 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > > The tax on tax is only in 1 or 2 provinces and it's the PST on top of the > GST... > > For the the love of hockey and good beerall Americans stop guessing :-) > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > t. 250.920.8830 > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > Macromedia Associate Partner > www.macromedia.com > - > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group > Founder & Director > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > - Original Message - > From: "Stacy Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:11 AM > Subject: RE: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > > > > You have to be careful on applying taxes...I believe it's the provincial > tax > > followed by the GST (goods and services tax). - *think* that's the right > > order. > > > > This means tax on tax. After the provincial tax is applied you then apply > > the GST on the price PLUS the first tax. In effect, the actual tax rate in > > Quebec is 15.56%. > > > > I'm also not sure as to whether that method only applies to Quebec and not > > all the provinces... > > > > Cheers, > > > > Stace > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jason Miller [mailto:millerj@;etcnj.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:11 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > > > > Matt - > > I just actually dissassembled a canada shipping/ tax piece on one of my > > clients sites I built. > > Basically here are the elements - > > 1) Broker Fee / Customs and all that - Typically a broker fee is > > involved - a percentage based fee. Includes a standard federal percetn > > fee too I believe. If not broker- then I guess jsut the federal - my > > clients used a Broker to eliminate this guessing. > > 2) Province tax - as much as 15% in Newfoundland > > 3) Exchange Rate > > 4) Your shipping rates - flat rate or carrier > > > > We applied tax pre-shipping cost - yet the broker fee I beleive needed > > to be on complete purchase. > > > > Hope this little bit helps. Feel free to email me off list if you wnat > > further details. > > jay miller > > > > P.S. THe rates i have for province are as follows ( please confirm them) > > ProvinceProvAbrTaxRate > > AlbertaAB7 > > British ColumbiaBC14 > > ManitobaMB14 > > New BrunswickNB15 > > NewfoundlandNF15 > > Northwest TerritoriesNT7 > > Nova ScotiaNS15 > > NunavutNT7 > > OntarioON15 > > Prince Edward IslandPE7 > > QuebecPQ16 > > SaskatchewanSK13 > > YukonYT7 > > > > Matthew Fusfield wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > >We are building an e-commerce site that is specifically targeted to a > > Canadian market. Most of our work has either been US domestic or so > > international that we use a 3rd party to do the calculations. > > > > > >Anyway, anyone know of or have a quick reference to how sales taxes are > > calculated in Canada and to what they apply? (ie I believe one of the > taxes > > applies to another tax, and are shipping charges generally taxed?) We are > > having trouble getting information out of our client that is accurate in > > this area. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
I live in Montreal. =P -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:bryan@;electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada The tax on tax is only in 1 or 2 provinces and it's the PST on top of the GST... For the the love of hockey and good beerall Americans stop guessing :-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Stacy Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:11 AM Subject: RE: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > You have to be careful on applying taxes...I believe it's the provincial tax > followed by the GST (goods and services tax). - *think* that's the right > order. > > This means tax on tax. After the provincial tax is applied you then apply > the GST on the price PLUS the first tax. In effect, the actual tax rate in > Quebec is 15.56%. > > I'm also not sure as to whether that method only applies to Quebec and not > all the provinces... > > Cheers, > > Stace > > -Original Message- > From: Jason Miller [mailto:millerj@;etcnj.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:11 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > > Matt - > I just actually dissassembled a canada shipping/ tax piece on one of my > clients sites I built. > Basically here are the elements - > 1) Broker Fee / Customs and all that - Typically a broker fee is > involved - a percentage based fee. Includes a standard federal percetn > fee too I believe. If not broker- then I guess jsut the federal - my > clients used a Broker to eliminate this guessing. > 2) Province tax - as much as 15% in Newfoundland > 3) Exchange Rate > 4) Your shipping rates - flat rate or carrier > > We applied tax pre-shipping cost - yet the broker fee I beleive needed > to be on complete purchase. > > Hope this little bit helps. Feel free to email me off list if you wnat > further details. > jay miller > > P.S. THe rates i have for province are as follows ( please confirm them) > ProvinceProvAbrTaxRate > AlbertaAB7 > British ColumbiaBC14 > ManitobaMB14 > New BrunswickNB15 > NewfoundlandNF15 > Northwest TerritoriesNT7 > Nova ScotiaNS15 > NunavutNT7 > OntarioON15 > Prince Edward IslandPE7 > QuebecPQ16 > SaskatchewanSK13 > YukonYT7 > > Matthew Fusfield wrote: > > >Hi, > >We are building an e-commerce site that is specifically targeted to a > Canadian market. Most of our work has either been US domestic or so > international that we use a 3rd party to do the calculations. > > > >Anyway, anyone know of or have a quick reference to how sales taxes are > calculated in Canada and to what they apply? (ie I believe one of the taxes > applies to another tax, and are shipping charges generally taxed?) We are > having trouble getting information out of our client that is accurate in > this area. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Matt > > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
Way to go Dawn...a Canuck on Canuck taxes...excellent ;-) Just one note on brokerage fees I believe they relate to the fees charged by the courier companies when goods cross the border or it's just another fee from the CCRA (Canadian Customs and Revenue Agency). There is always duty and then the mysterious extra brokerage/handling fee (which is usually really high). I don't think it neccessarily has anything to do with using a specific broker for importing/exporting goods. Either way it's nothing that should be factored into your eComm site (other than to mention to customers they could get dinged at the border). Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Dawn Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:33 AM Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > We have two levels of sales tax--GST at 7% which is a federal tax and must > be collected by the merchant and submitted to the feds directly via a > special remission process, which includes detailed reporting. There are > certain goods that are GST exempt (food for one). Certain businesses are GST > exempt (mostly government services), but I don't know all the exemptions. > GST reports must be remitted bases on whatever reporting period the business > has opted for, or in some cases, the reporting periods are enforced. Usually > it's quarterly, some are annual, some do it monthly--depends on volume in > part. In some cases services provided for minors are tax exempt (e.g., > swimming classes for kids under 14). It isn't all that straightforward--so > you'll need to know the nature of the goods or services being sold, and the > audience it is sold to. > > In addition to that we have sales tax in most provinces--each province has a > separate rate. This tax must be submitted to the appropriate provincial > governments and is separate and distinct from the GST. Each province has > their own set of rules--again certain goods are exempt. Also, if you reside > in a tax exempt province (as I do in Alberta) and buy goods in a province > that has sales tax where you plan to use the goods in the province of your > residence (eg. I buy a car in BC but reside in tax-exempt Alberta and will > use it here), you can be exempt. I'm not sure if that's the case in all > provinces, but it is in BC. Once again, each province is regulated > differerent. > > Jason talks about a brokerage fee--his explanation is a bit unclear. But it > sounds like what is happening is that the client he is referring to uses a > broker to clear imported goods, and that percentage fee is a service fee > paid to the broker--this isn't a tax issue, this is a business decision. > Brokers typically remit duty and GST for you and that is included in their > invoice, along with their service charge. In order to clear the goods and > have them released, they remit all taxes including GST and duty to the feds > (Receiver General) and then collect from their client. This is an issue most > ecomm sites wouldn't have to go near. Depending on the size of the business, > they might want to talk to a logistics specialist at a customs broker to > make sure they have a proper workflow in place. > > I don't have a clue what happens to tax when you sell to the US from Canada. > > Note that this is a very cursory explanation, and much more detail would be > needed. > > I do know our banks here aren't particularly keen on ecommerce, especially > with physical goods, and they have been known to impose very high security > deposits to cover possible chargebacks. I looked into this for a furniture > company, and they were told they would have to put up the equivalent of 3 > months sales for VISA--which would have been hundreds of thousands of > dollars. Interestingly, American Express required no deposit. > > But this is far from the issue of CF---if anyone has any questions they feel > I might be able to help with, please feel free to email me. My knowledge is > only that of a Canadian citizen who buys stuff--not as a developer who has > looked into it in detail. But I'll certainly help if I can > > fwiw, > Dawn > > > > > > Matt - > > I just actually dissassembled a canada shipping/ tax piece on one of my > > clients sites I built. > > Basically here are the elemen
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No No No...sorry Thane but you're wrong. In most provinces the PST and GST are calculated seperately. Againplease leave Canadian matters to us in the Great White North ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Thane Sherrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:19 AM Subject: RE: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > At 11:11 AM 13/11/02 -0500, Stacy Young wrote: > >This means tax on tax. After the provincial tax is applied you then apply > >the GST on the price PLUS the first tax. In effect, the actual tax rate in > >Quebec is 15.56%. > > This is correct. For all provinces that have both GST and PST, the PST is > applied after the GST. Provinces with HST (like Nova Scotia) are a flat 15%. > > T > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
We have two levels of sales tax--GST at 7% which is a federal tax and must be collected by the merchant and submitted to the feds directly via a special remission process, which includes detailed reporting. There are certain goods that are GST exempt (food for one). Certain businesses are GST exempt (mostly government services), but I don't know all the exemptions. GST reports must be remitted bases on whatever reporting period the business has opted for, or in some cases, the reporting periods are enforced. Usually it's quarterly, some are annual, some do it monthly--depends on volume in part. In some cases services provided for minors are tax exempt (e.g., swimming classes for kids under 14). It isn't all that straightforward--so you'll need to know the nature of the goods or services being sold, and the audience it is sold to. In addition to that we have sales tax in most provinces--each province has a separate rate. This tax must be submitted to the appropriate provincial governments and is separate and distinct from the GST. Each province has their own set of rules--again certain goods are exempt. Also, if you reside in a tax exempt province (as I do in Alberta) and buy goods in a province that has sales tax where you plan to use the goods in the province of your residence (eg. I buy a car in BC but reside in tax-exempt Alberta and will use it here), you can be exempt. I'm not sure if that's the case in all provinces, but it is in BC. Once again, each province is regulated differerent. Jason talks about a brokerage fee--his explanation is a bit unclear. But it sounds like what is happening is that the client he is referring to uses a broker to clear imported goods, and that percentage fee is a service fee paid to the broker--this isn't a tax issue, this is a business decision. Brokers typically remit duty and GST for you and that is included in their invoice, along with their service charge. In order to clear the goods and have them released, they remit all taxes including GST and duty to the feds (Receiver General) and then collect from their client. This is an issue most ecomm sites wouldn't have to go near. Depending on the size of the business, they might want to talk to a logistics specialist at a customs broker to make sure they have a proper workflow in place. I don't have a clue what happens to tax when you sell to the US from Canada. Note that this is a very cursory explanation, and much more detail would be needed. I do know our banks here aren't particularly keen on ecommerce, especially with physical goods, and they have been known to impose very high security deposits to cover possible chargebacks. I looked into this for a furniture company, and they were told they would have to put up the equivalent of 3 months sales for VISA--which would have been hundreds of thousands of dollars. Interestingly, American Express required no deposit. But this is far from the issue of CF---if anyone has any questions they feel I might be able to help with, please feel free to email me. My knowledge is only that of a Canadian citizen who buys stuff--not as a developer who has looked into it in detail. But I'll certainly help if I can fwiw, Dawn > Matt - > I just actually dissassembled a canada shipping/ tax piece on one of my > clients sites I built. > Basically here are the elements - > 1) Broker Fee / Customs and all that - Typically a broker fee is > involved - a percentage based fee. Includes a standard federal percetn > fee too I believe. If not broker- then I guess jsut the federal - my > clients used a Broker to eliminate this guessing. > 2) Province tax - as much as 15% in Newfoundland > 3) Exchange Rate > 4) Your shipping rates - flat rate or carrier > > We applied tax pre-shipping cost - yet the broker fee I beleive needed > to be on complete purchase. > > Hope this little bit helps. Feel free to email me off list if you wnat > further details. > jay miller > > P.S. THe rates i have for province are as follows ( please confirm them) > ProvinceProvAbrTaxRate > AlbertaAB7 > British ColumbiaBC14 > ManitobaMB14 > New BrunswickNB15 > NewfoundlandNF15 > Northwest TerritoriesNT7 > Nova ScotiaNS15 > NunavutNT7 > OntarioON15 > Prince Edward IslandPE7 > QuebecPQ16 > SaskatchewanSK13 > YukonYT7 > > Matthew Fusfield wrote: > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
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At 11:11 AM 13/11/02 -0500, Stacy Young wrote: >This means tax on tax. After the provincial tax is applied you then apply >the GST on the price PLUS the first tax. In effect, the actual tax rate in >Quebec is 15.56%. This is correct. For all provinces that have both GST and PST, the PST is applied after the GST. Provinces with HST (like Nova Scotia) are a flat 15%. T ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
The tax on tax is only in 1 or 2 provinces and it's the PST on top of the GST... For the the love of hockey and good beerall Americans stop guessing :-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Stacy Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:11 AM Subject: RE: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > You have to be careful on applying taxes...I believe it's the provincial tax > followed by the GST (goods and services tax). - *think* that's the right > order. > > This means tax on tax. After the provincial tax is applied you then apply > the GST on the price PLUS the first tax. In effect, the actual tax rate in > Quebec is 15.56%. > > I'm also not sure as to whether that method only applies to Quebec and not > all the provinces... > > Cheers, > > Stace > > -Original Message- > From: Jason Miller [mailto:millerj@;etcnj.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:11 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > > Matt - > I just actually dissassembled a canada shipping/ tax piece on one of my > clients sites I built. > Basically here are the elements - > 1) Broker Fee / Customs and all that - Typically a broker fee is > involved - a percentage based fee. Includes a standard federal percetn > fee too I believe. If not broker- then I guess jsut the federal - my > clients used a Broker to eliminate this guessing. > 2) Province tax - as much as 15% in Newfoundland > 3) Exchange Rate > 4) Your shipping rates - flat rate or carrier > > We applied tax pre-shipping cost - yet the broker fee I beleive needed > to be on complete purchase. > > Hope this little bit helps. Feel free to email me off list if you wnat > further details. > jay miller > > P.S. THe rates i have for province are as follows ( please confirm them) > ProvinceProvAbrTaxRate > AlbertaAB7 > British ColumbiaBC14 > ManitobaMB14 > New BrunswickNB15 > NewfoundlandNF15 > Northwest TerritoriesNT7 > Nova ScotiaNS15 > NunavutNT7 > OntarioON15 > Prince Edward IslandPE7 > QuebecPQ16 > SaskatchewanSK13 > YukonYT7 > > Matthew Fusfield wrote: > > >Hi, > >We are building an e-commerce site that is specifically targeted to a > Canadian market. Most of our work has either been US domestic or so > international that we use a 3rd party to do the calculations. > > > >Anyway, anyone know of or have a quick reference to how sales taxes are > calculated in Canada and to what they apply? (ie I believe one of the taxes > applies to another tax, and are shipping charges generally taxed?) We are > having trouble getting information out of our client that is accurate in > this area. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Matt > > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
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Matt, Jason's info is a tad off in some casesI'm a Canuck...trust me ;-) For starters the brokerage fee and all that nonsense is only in play if the goods cross the border. That said, I have yet to see 1 US site add these fees to the price when shipping goods to Canada (we end up getting an additional bill from the CCRA...like IRS for you yanks). BTW that bill is often about half the cost of the goods! The rates for provinces are off and are combining 2 taxes (GST and PST and sometimes HST). These amounts need to be reported seperately. I've already contacted Matt offline, but for anyone else interested go here: http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/menu-e.html (like IRS) and follow the tax link...it should give all the details for each province. HTH Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Jason Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > Matt - > I just actually dissassembled a canada shipping/ tax piece on one of my > clients sites I built. > Basically here are the elements - > 1) Broker Fee / Customs and all that - Typically a broker fee is > involved - a percentage based fee. Includes a standard federal percetn > fee too I believe. If not broker- then I guess jsut the federal - my > clients used a Broker to eliminate this guessing. > 2) Province tax - as much as 15% in Newfoundland > 3) Exchange Rate > 4) Your shipping rates - flat rate or carrier > > We applied tax pre-shipping cost - yet the broker fee I beleive needed > to be on complete purchase. > > Hope this little bit helps. Feel free to email me off list if you wnat > further details. > jay miller > > P.S. THe rates i have for province are as follows ( please confirm them) > ProvinceProvAbrTaxRate > AlbertaAB7 > British ColumbiaBC14 > ManitobaMB14 > New BrunswickNB15 > NewfoundlandNF15 > Northwest TerritoriesNT7 > Nova ScotiaNS15 > NunavutNT7 > OntarioON15 > Prince Edward IslandPE7 > QuebecPQ16 > SaskatchewanSK13 > YukonYT7 > > Matthew Fusfield wrote: > > >Hi, > >We are building an e-commerce site that is specifically targeted to a Canadian market. Most of our work has either been US domestic or so international that we use a 3rd party to do the calculations. > > > >Anyway, anyone know of or have a quick reference to how sales taxes are calculated in Canada and to what they apply? (ie I believe one of the taxes applies to another tax, and are shipping charges generally taxed?) We are having trouble getting information out of our client that is accurate in this area. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Matt > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
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Thanks to Jason and everyone else who has emailed me off-list; I really appreciate your help! Matt > -Original Message- > From: Jason Miller [mailto:millerj@;etcnj.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:11 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada > > > Matt - > I just actually dissassembled a canada shipping/ tax piece on > one of my > clients sites I built. > Basically here are the elements - > 1) Broker Fee / Customs and all that - Typically a broker fee is > involved - a percentage based fee. Includes a standard > federal percetn > fee too I believe. If not broker- then I guess jsut the federal - my > clients used a Broker to eliminate this guessing. > 2) Province tax - as much as 15% in Newfoundland > 3) Exchange Rate > 4) Your shipping rates - flat rate or carrier > > We applied tax pre-shipping cost - yet the broker fee I > beleive needed > to be on complete purchase. > > Hope this little bit helps. Feel free to email me off list if > you wnat > further details. > jay miller > > P.S. THe rates i have for province are as follows ( please > confirm them) > ProvinceProvAbrTaxRate > AlbertaAB7 > British ColumbiaBC14 > ManitobaMB14 > New BrunswickNB15 > NewfoundlandNF15 > Northwest TerritoriesNT7 > Nova ScotiaNS15 > NunavutNT7 > OntarioON15 > Prince Edward IslandPE7 > QuebecPQ16 > SaskatchewanSK13 > YukonYT7 > > Matthew Fusfield wrote: > > >Hi, > >We are building an e-commerce site that is specifically > targeted to a Canadian market. Most of our work has either > been US domestic or so international that we use a 3rd party > to do the calculations. > > > >Anyway, anyone know of or have a quick reference to how > sales taxes are calculated in Canada and to what they apply? > (ie I believe one of the taxes applies to another tax, and > are shipping charges generally taxed?) We are having trouble > getting information out of our client that is accurate in this area. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Matt > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
You have to be careful on applying taxes...I believe it's the provincial tax followed by the GST (goods and services tax). - *think* that's the right order. This means tax on tax. After the provincial tax is applied you then apply the GST on the price PLUS the first tax. In effect, the actual tax rate in Quebec is 15.56%. I'm also not sure as to whether that method only applies to Quebec and not all the provinces... Cheers, Stace -Original Message- From: Jason Miller [mailto:millerj@;etcnj.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada Matt - I just actually dissassembled a canada shipping/ tax piece on one of my clients sites I built. Basically here are the elements - 1) Broker Fee / Customs and all that - Typically a broker fee is involved - a percentage based fee. Includes a standard federal percetn fee too I believe. If not broker- then I guess jsut the federal - my clients used a Broker to eliminate this guessing. 2) Province tax - as much as 15% in Newfoundland 3) Exchange Rate 4) Your shipping rates - flat rate or carrier We applied tax pre-shipping cost - yet the broker fee I beleive needed to be on complete purchase. Hope this little bit helps. Feel free to email me off list if you wnat further details. jay miller P.S. THe rates i have for province are as follows ( please confirm them) ProvinceProvAbrTaxRate AlbertaAB7 British ColumbiaBC14 ManitobaMB14 New BrunswickNB15 NewfoundlandNF15 Northwest TerritoriesNT7 Nova ScotiaNS15 NunavutNT7 OntarioON15 Prince Edward IslandPE7 QuebecPQ16 SaskatchewanSK13 YukonYT7 Matthew Fusfield wrote: >Hi, >We are building an e-commerce site that is specifically targeted to a Canadian market. Most of our work has either been US domestic or so international that we use a 3rd party to do the calculations. > >Anyway, anyone know of or have a quick reference to how sales taxes are calculated in Canada and to what they apply? (ie I believe one of the taxes applies to another tax, and are shipping charges generally taxed?) We are having trouble getting information out of our client that is accurate in this area. > >Thanks, > >Matt > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
Matt - I just actually dissassembled a canada shipping/ tax piece on one of my clients sites I built. Basically here are the elements - 1) Broker Fee / Customs and all that - Typically a broker fee is involved - a percentage based fee. Includes a standard federal percetn fee too I believe. If not broker- then I guess jsut the federal - my clients used a Broker to eliminate this guessing. 2) Province tax - as much as 15% in Newfoundland 3) Exchange Rate 4) Your shipping rates - flat rate or carrier We applied tax pre-shipping cost - yet the broker fee I beleive needed to be on complete purchase. Hope this little bit helps. Feel free to email me off list if you wnat further details. jay miller P.S. THe rates i have for province are as follows ( please confirm them) ProvinceProvAbrTaxRate AlbertaAB7 British ColumbiaBC14 ManitobaMB14 New BrunswickNB15 NewfoundlandNF15 Northwest TerritoriesNT7 Nova ScotiaNS15 NunavutNT7 OntarioON15 Prince Edward IslandPE7 QuebecPQ16 SaskatchewanSK13 YukonYT7 Matthew Fusfield wrote: >Hi, >We are building an e-commerce site that is specifically targeted to a Canadian >market. Most of our work has either been US domestic or so international that we use >a 3rd party to do the calculations. > >Anyway, anyone know of or have a quick reference to how sales taxes are calculated in >Canada and to what they apply? (ie I believe one of the taxes applies to another tax, >and are shipping charges generally taxed?) We are having trouble getting information >out of our client that is accurate in this area. > >Thanks, > >Matt > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada
Hi, We are building an e-commerce site that is specifically targeted to a Canadian market. Most of our work has either been US domestic or so international that we use a 3rd party to do the calculations. Anyway, anyone know of or have a quick reference to how sales taxes are calculated in Canada and to what they apply? (ie I believe one of the taxes applies to another tax, and are shipping charges generally taxed?) We are having trouble getting information out of our client that is accurate in this area. Thanks, Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
