Re: [Chevelle-List] 400 Engines
No 400 small blocks were put into any 68-72 Chevelles...there may have been a SB 400 in a 73-75, but I'm not sure of that either. I know the 454 was available til late 1974. Kelly Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
Re: [Chevelle-List] 400 Engines
The 400 small block is not listed for 70 Chevelle. In the Chevy literature the 400 small block was called Turbo Fire and the 400 big block was called the Turbo Jet. The Chevy engine line up was a confusing situation in 1970. They had a non-SS 400 330hp Chevelle engine that was really a 402. Early in the year the hot rod was the 375hp L78 called SS 396 but was also a 402 not to be confused with the 396 350hp engine that was not much quicker then the 350 300hp Malibu. Then came a 454 with 360 hp which would get spanked by the 396 375hp but the L78 was discontinued when the 450hp King Kong LS6 came out. LS6 shows up in Chevelle only. Due to production problems the LS6 Corvette and Camaros were a no show. Then the LS6 shows up in the 1971 Corvette with alum heads but lower compression. Weird I have never seen a 400 small block in a Chevelle. and I have never seen them listed in any of my reference books either. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
i guess so...but then i would probably want to restore it...lol - Original Message - From: eagle1978 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? Chad my be you could buy an unrestored chevelle or maby an elky l-s6 - Original Message - From: Chad Playso To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 5:46 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? I understand that LS - 6's are around $40,000, and i was wondering, what if i dont have that much money, could i just go out and buy a perfectly restored malibu - maybe around $8,500?, and then clone that to a LS - 6? with a LS-6 crate motor, and 4.10 gears w/ 4 speed? how much money would i have to put into it, to make it exactly like what a LS-6 was? i figure, you pretty much have to replace EVERYTHING, right? i dont know how you guys take it with a perfectly all original car, cause if i had one, i would be scared to drive it out there. i would rather have one for "play"; clone it, so its not SO valuble. whatcha think? Chad
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
i guess so...but then i would probably want to restore it...lol Chad, Although the urge to cruise in a big block is great, you should resist for several reasons...the first is money. If you had the money to build or buy one and then got it out on the street, chances are you'd not have the resources to keep it in tip-top shape. There are a million mistakes waiting to happen at your age and each one costs time and money to fix. It would be much easier (and safer) to cut your teeth on a small block car. Less you have to break, the better until you get experience behind you. The second reason is safety. Those BB's can get outta hand very quickly. Everyone in town is gonna wanna race you and that will be very hard to resist. One or two missed shifts or bad launches can ruin your day as well as hurt you or others. Since my dad wasn't a car guy, he made sure there was no road rocket in the driveway until after my first two years as a driver. I lost a very good friend one night in high school to a drag race. A local guy and he raced and my buddy went out of control and hit a guardrailmy friend was going 100+nothing left of either car as they collided in a twisted heap. My friend was 16 and drove a 442...too powerful a car for the experience he had. I know accidents are never in the plan...and they can happen in any car, but why take the chance to increase the odds? Kelly Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
RE: [Chevelle-List] 400 Engines
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:52:43 EDT Subject: [Chevelle-List] 400 Engines i am going to have to disagree with the fact that small block 400 did not come in Chevelles. i have seen several that have. They were available in 70-73 Chevelles. The casting number is 3951511, the same engine was also in I have a mid '80s book called 1953-1975 Chevrolet A Book of Numbers and it was part of The Ridgecrest Series sold by Crank'en Hope of Blairsville PA. According to this book (which is by no means the be-all end-all of documentation): CZX 1970 Chevelle 400/265, 2-bbl, MT. CRH 1970 Chevelle 400/265, 2-bbl, TH350. CLK 1971 Chevelle 400/255, TH350, no carburetor given. CAJ 1971 Chevelle 400/255, MT, no carburetor given. Codes for 1972+ don't list the HP or carburetion so I've not listed them here as I can't tell if it's the SBC 400 or BBC 396/402. It's an interesting question. Wasn't the Chevelle 400 an actual submodel or model sometime in the early '70s? Brad O. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
To all and any, I see a lot of postings referring to a 'crate motor' and 'build sheets', would someone define these terms and how do you go about acquiring a build sheet? Thank all. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
To all and any, I see a lot of postings referring to a 'crate motor' and 'build sheets', would someone define these terms and how do you go about acquiring a build sheet? A crate motor example is here http://www.sdpc2000.com/cart.asp?action=catalog_startcatid=63 A build sheet is a piece of paper that tells every option and code the car was built with (the line assembly people use them to determine what goes in the car). Tells the color, engine, tranny and all the options. A very sought after document usually found in the headliner, under the seat(s), etc. A car that has one will sell for more than one without. Sometimes there can be several copies of the document found in the same car. Kelly Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
RE: [Chevelle-List] 400 Engines
I belong to the Mid America Chevelle Club, last night we had a Chevelle only cruise and this was an oppertunity to ask this very question around the various members, no one had everheard of a 400 small block in a Chevelle, and I also never heard of a 400 Chevelle as a model of car or seen any reference to it anywhere. Rocky Hill My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss --- Interplanet Janet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:52:43 EDT Subject: [Chevelle-List] 400 Engines i am going to have to disagree with the fact that small block 400 did not come in Chevelles. i have seen several that have. They were available in 70-73 Chevelles. The casting number is 3951511, the same engine was also in I have a mid '80s book called 1953-1975 Chevrolet A Book of Numbers and it was part of The Ridgecrest Series sold by Crank'en Hope of Blairsville PA. According to this book (which is by no means the be-all end-all of documentation): CZX 1970 Chevelle 400/265, 2-bbl, MT. CRH 1970 Chevelle 400/265, 2-bbl, TH350. CLK 1971 Chevelle 400/255, TH350, no carburetor given. CAJ 1971 Chevelle 400/255, MT, no carburetor given. Codes for 1972+ don't list the HP or carburetion so I've not listed them here as I can't tell if it's the SBC 400 or BBC 396/402. It's an interesting question. Wasn't the Chevelle 400 an actual submodel or model sometime in the early '70s? Brad O. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] 400 Engines
My Chevrolet Parts Manual confirms the 400-2Bbl engine for 70 and 71 Chevelles with the codes listed by Brad even though the engines are NOT listed in the GM Restoration Kit information. All small blocks were listed as Turbo-Fire and big blocks had the Turbo-Jet designation; 6-cyls were Turbo-Thrift. A 400 Turbo-Fire would be the small block and a 400 (396 or 402) Turbo-Jet would be the big block. Dale I have a mid '80s book called 1953-1975 Chevrolet A Book of Numbers and it was part of The Ridgecrest Series sold by Crank'en Hope of Blairsville PA. According to this book (which is by no means the be-all end-all of documentation): CZX 1970 Chevelle 400/265, 2-bbl, MT. CRH 1970 Chevelle 400/265, 2-bbl, TH350. CLK 1971 Chevelle 400/255, TH350, no carburetor given. CAJ 1971 Chevelle 400/255, MT, no carburetor given. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
Build sheets were the paperwork used by the line workers to ensure the correct parts were installed on the car as it was assembled. These were usually stuffed (1) behind or under the rear seat, (2) in door panels, (3) under/in the front seats...generally wherever the last assembly point decided they wanted to put them. Had they known how important they would become 30 years later I'm sure they would have been framed and included with the paperwork given to the new owner. Kind of like window stickers and POPs. Who would have thought of preserving those for 30 years? Not many folks. A crate engine is simply a new engine purchased from GM, FoMoCo or MoPar as it arrives from the factory or assembly point in a crate. Unfortunately like so many other terms, it's been diluted and morphed into any engine that arrives crated or on a pallet. Summit has crate engines, Edelbrock has crate engines, Merlin has crate engines. Like Muscle Car and SS, everybody jumps on a popular bandwagon. When was the last time you Xeroxed some paper copies on a Canon, Minolta or Kodak photocopier machine? Dale -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy To all and any, I see a lot of postings referring to a 'crate motor' and 'build sheets', would someone define these terms and how do you go about acquiring a build sheet? Thank all. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] 400 Engines
GM shows them in their Parts Manual but that doesn't mean any were ever produced - although some folks here on the list will attest to them. That same GM Parts Manual also shows two engine codes for 71 454/460 HP engines that never made production in Chevelles, CPP for manual trans and CPR (I just love that one) for TH 400. Dale I belong to the Mid America Chevelle Club, last night we had a Chevelle only cruise and this was an oppertunity to ask this very question around the various members, no one had everheard of a 400 small block in a Chevelle, and I also never heard of a 400 Chevelle as a model of car or seen any reference to it anywhere. Rocky Hill My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
Where can you get an LS6 or 7 crate? Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
And the first thing tom always mentions is that it is a clone. Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
The LS6 or 7 isn't available over the counter anymore. Actually hasn't been for years. you do see one for sale every once in a while in the parts for sale section of Team Chevelle. Larry (Z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
But it wont make the torque of the big block :) Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
lol the last LS6 el camino i saw for sale was 55000 dollars Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] 400 Engines
Tom: the BB 400 also came in full boat big cars. Larry (z)
[Chevelle-List] front arms + John Nasta
Hi, I searched for some stuff in my Speedway motors catalog, they list front a arms in various measures for $40 each (for racing) anyone out there know if they fit chvelles and if theyre usable on the street ? John. please drop me a line off list as I need a quote on some parts. Thanks ! Kind Regards André - Original Message - From: rick schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:47 AM Subject: Re:[Chevelle-List] Truck arms Looks good to me. I'm suspicious of the claims on handling improvement, not because I know anything, but I never thought of NASCAR cars trucks as being great handlers. I figured that they use special setups for the road courses. I'm sure that those G-Machine folks know a bunch more than I do. -- Michael Ishee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Michael Ishee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] Truck arms Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:00:03 -0500 In an effort to move on to a viable Chevelle topic i thought i would see what you guys think about this set-up. Check out www.hotrodstohell.net and go look at their Truck arm set-up for Chevelles. The guys over at g-machines.com really like the idea and i am thinking about purchasing the kit. It cost like 1300+shipping and includes shocks and springs and everything else you need. It is also ride height adjustable. The only problem is i think my 454 is about to complete its shreding process on my TH350 so i might be getting another transmission. But anyways let me know what you think. Michael _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rick schaefer 72 El camino http://members.home.net/jimmy4/rick1972elky.html ACES #00140 Team Chevelle #00038 - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
I found two build sheets for my car. http://webpages.charter.net/perfmark/cars/chevelle/buildsheet/build_sheet_fo und.htm Good luck. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy To all and any, I see a lot of postings referring to a 'crate motor' and 'build sheets', would someone define these terms and how do you go about acquiring a build sheet? Thank all. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Rear End shimming(Suspension?)
Dave, I have a 12 bolt rear, polygraphite bushings, boxed lower arms (stock) and boxed upper arms (my modification). Gas charged Delco shocks. New stock rear springs. Stock size tires. 468 with 700r4. Currently lays rubber through first and second, no wheel hop. (I had bad wheel hop with air shocks on (years ago) and with 3" spring spacers on (Removed them yesterday). Mark 71SS -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave BenjaminSent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 12:12 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Rear End shimming(Suspension?) I replaced the carrier bearings today and it fixed it up nice. Isn't debugging fun on new rides. Now I am going to play with the suspension some. The tracktion bars I have on right now are a really rough ride all the time. I need a different set up because I am not racing it all the time. I was wondering about different set ups. I need something that rides nice normally but when I hammer it, it doesn't wheel hoppp?DaveIngersoll,OntarioMy web site: http://members.tripod.com/benj30/
RE: [Chevelle-List] Trunk Floor Replacement
The ones in the Year One catalog look like they do. Unless the picture is wrong. Mark As Mark Weber said in a previous post How I would do it again: 2. Buy new kit that extends further up the back wall and further up and over the rear axle hump. Don't worry if it costs $100 more it will be a better and easier fit, it will look better, and even if your time is only worth $5 an hour it will still pay for itself. I'm not sure a floor that fits his description is available but it would be worth looking for before you buy. Bill Vander Werf
[Chevelle-List] Wheel hop fixed.
Update. I had a bad wheel hop problem on my restoration with new springs, boxed upper and lower control arms, and three inch spacers under the spring (were there when I bought the car, I did not know they did not belong). Yesterday I removed the 3 spacers and now the car sits level, rides better, and lays rubber through first and second gear without wheel hopping. It has stock sized tires on it however so I don't know what would happen if it were getting a good grip on the road. Problem solved! Mark 71SS - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
A short block is a complete engine minus the heads, intake, carb, dist, etc. It is basically the block, rods, crank, pistons, cam, etc. A long block is a short block plus the heads (still minus the intake all the bolt on stuff) Don also, i have more questions - whats a short block, and whats a long block. i know what is a big and small block, but whats a short block? thanks Chad
Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
Hey, Thank you. Jim - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone/compression ratio
Generally 10.0-10.5 compression will run on 92 no porblem. I ran 11.3 to 1 with iron heads and a zero deck and it loved 92, even on 95 degree days. CC designs such as the vortecs allow about an extra .8 of a point of compression on the same octane. A 38-45 quench will also help detination. Alum heads also allow an extra point or so compression and different cam grinds will bleed of compression at lower rpm's which basically means you only need to add a 92/ higher octane mix when you plan to race up in higher rpm ranges.
Re: [Chevelle-List] Show and tell
Yeah it amazing what you lose on the way to the wheels. It is also amazing how funny it is when people say they figure they have 500 rear wheel hp and then pull a 300. I'd say your numbers are pretty respectable if your car is as streetable as it sounds. It sounds like it was a fun weekend... especially if the wife is happy driving with open headers. My gf would be complaining the whole way hahaa :P Mikey
Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
Most long blocks also include a cam, lifters, and misc valvetrain components. Mikey - Original Message - From: Don Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 3:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy A short block is a complete engine minus the heads, intake, carb, dist, etc. It is basically the block, rods, crank, pistons, cam, etc. A long block is a short block plus the heads (still minus the intake all the bolt on stuff) Don also, i have more questions - whats a short block, and whats a long block. i know what is a big and small block, but whats a short block? thanks Chad
Re: [Chevelle-List] Get a howl from a Holley?
The secondaries on Quads are very large and are known to make the howl you are referring to by design. The 850 cfm quads (found on many 400,403, 455 olds/buick/pontiac's,and 472 500 Caddys)seem to make the most noise, but it is hard to say for sure. Holleys are designed differently and most have smaller secondaries (I will guess you are running a 650?) and I have never really heard much of a howl with them, but most times all I hear is exhaust :) If you have looked at the bottom of a quad verses the bottom of a 650 Holley you will see the secondaries are larger then the primaries on the quad and the secondaries will be approx. the same size on the Holley 650. If you really want to see if they are opening all the way grab a buddy and watch as they put the pedal to the floor. Mikey - Original Message - From: Mark Weber Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 1:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] Get a howl from a Holley? While test-driving as part of a reassembly, I am not sure the secondariesare opening on my Holley Street Avenger. I have an open element aircleaner.In the old days my 400 sb with a quadrajet would really howl when thesecondaries opened up. It sounded really cool.I don't hear a sound like that now, and I am wondering if the secondariesare opening up at all? Maybe that sound was specific to that engine orcarb?Can anyone else hear when the secondaries are opened up and the engine isrunning under load?Thanks,Mark71SS-To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.htmlTo start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
opps... that was Chevy High Performance. I was flipping through a Hot Rod at the supermarket today and must of been brain washed :P Mikey
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
thanks for your information, this is greatly appreciated! i think 400 ft - lbs is plenty, if not too much. im looking for 330 - 400 foot of torque. how do i learn what combos work real well? - Original Message - From: Capt Crunch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? I'm not saying you don't want torque, but what I'm saying is that it doesn't take much torque to roach some street tires from the line or even during shifts. Torque isn't worth a darn or making you go if it is just causing wheel spin. To get rid of the wheel spin you will need to start looking into rear suspension mods. This will add even more expense to you build up. Get some traction... then guess what? Things like to go snap... especially in unmodified 10 bolts. Then you are looking at more money for rear end mods or to swap a 9", D60, or 12B in. I'd figure you can maybe fit in a 255 or a 275/60 tires in if you are lucky without wheel well mods and rear work. Well believe me that a properly built SBC (stroked)is more then capable of giving you just about the same amount of torque as a BBC 396 0r 454. I think even 400 ft-lbs. is gonna be enough to spin those babies easily. All and all Chad... I admit a BBC is cool. But think about what you want this car to be. A daily driver needs to be reliable and efficient. Most BBC's with a carb tend to suck gas pretty good. Add more gas money, more money to build up, mods to support the power. Over all it just gets to be a bit much. A 10 or so compression motor that makes 350-400 hp and 400 or so ft-lbs of torque will be a fun driver and depending what heads, cc design, quench, and cam you use it can be very streetable and run perfectly on 90 or 92 gas. I'd recomend buying the new Hot Rod mag Chad. They are modifying the 383 GM performance parts motor for more power. I don't necesarily say believe it to a T, but it gives you an idea of what a 383 motor can do. The vortec heads or GMPP Fast burn heads are probably the best heads made for a combo of milage, power, and still have good flow. Despite the bad rap... a quadrajet can give great performance and will nab the best milage of any carb selection out there. I remember being your age and saying a wanted a BBC in my Trans Am so a built a 396 motor and then proceeded to find out just about everything I have explained thus far. The car was very hard to enjoy on a high school budget :( But enough with this book... I'm starting to feel like an old man at age 25 :P Mikey - Original Message - From: Chad Playso Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? well, im just thinking, this sounds pretty nice as a setup. but if you are saying you dont want much torque, why did the chevy people drop 454's in their cars? ill definitly email you sooner or later, and thanks for the well done response. i also heard that if you have higher than 9:1 compression, it isnt good for the streets...is this right? i would not be planning to go to the strips, just a daily driver with lots of power. gotta go to bed, im tired...lol. Chad
Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
so a good thing to do would be to get a short block? cause i figure, if you get the crate motor, you need to put EVERYTHING on it, but if you buy a short or long block, its already mostly put into the motor. - Original Message - From: Don To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy A short block is a complete engine minus the heads, intake, carb, dist, etc. It is basically the block, rods, crank, pistons, cam, etc. A long block is a short block plus the heads (still minus the intake all the bolt on stuff) Don also, i have more questions - whats a short block, and whats a long block. i know what is a big and small block, but whats a short block? thanks Chad
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
Chad, I must admit, 454's are a blast to drive. My 66 has one, with a 4spd. Wouldnt make for a very good daily driver right? Har Har Har, it is my daily driver. Yes, it gets horrible gas mileage. But how horrible depends on if you have a lead foot. Average, it gets about 7 MPG in the city. On the freeway I wouldnt know, because I never wasted a full tank of gas on the freeway. Darn motor decided to start giving me a knock, and I still dont know what it is, so shes parked for the time being. I would suggest going with a pretty built SB...Lots of power, and halfway decent gas mileage. My dad warned me about the gas mileageI told him Ill learn the hard way. Luckily, ever weekend I work for a family friend, and do chores around here, so it always puts gas in the tank. -Tim
Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
Chad, Most crate motors are already assembled. Its basically you put it in the car, and start it. Some dont come with carb's, but for the most part, a crate motor is a complete motor. -Tim
Re: [Chevelle-List] Get a howl from a Holley?
Can anyone else hear when the secondaries are opened up and the engine is running under load? Almost all four barrels do that when the secondaries open, in fact I've never heard one that didn't (with an open element air cleaner)...I'll ask my buddy in Michigan who has the same carb and see what he says (my Edelbrock 1406 is the howliest I've ever heard since it doesn't have the flapper that the other carbs do). You listening Larry??? Kelly Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
Well basically... do your research. I'd really suggest finding some old school books and articles by some of the greats like Grumpy Jinkens (sp?) and Smokey Yunick. You also can ask local dyno/race motor shops. Most of those guys have seen everything and will tell you what is good and what is a dud because they want you to be happy with their shop. Another way is to go toi a local race track... either circle or drag and talk to the guys with good times and the proven winners. Some guys are jerks, but many are very nice and will be happy to tell you some things. Amatuer days are generally the best bet as many professionals don't care to disclose their tricks. The last way to go is buy a proven combo. GM has a 383 stroker motor that sells for 3500-4000 and makes over 400 ft-lbs of torque. CHP has been changing cams and such and has gotten some good numbers. Many shops will build you a motor that is guarenteed to make a certin power and they will break it in on a dyno and verify the power. Desktop Dyno can also be a great tool for figure general power figures. Most cam companies have tech lines that do a good job selectin a cam for you if you have all the info they need. A general rule of thumb and old racer used to tell me is that the guy with the best cylinder heads wins. That is pretty true. Spend you big bucks on your heads and always get at least a 3 angle valve job on and "outta the box" head. Port work is worth it'sweight in gold. As my mom always said... Keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut. At least it worked for me... and still is. Just talked to my buddy who owns a shop and were discussing the disappointment he had in the Air Gap manifolds. Mikey - Original Message - From: Chad Playso Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 4:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? thanks for your information, this is greatly appreciated! i think 400 ft - lbs is plenty, if not too much. im looking for 330 - 400 foot of torque. how do i learn what combos work real well?
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone/compression ratio
That is probably total ignition timing. Generally 32-36 total ignition timing is a rule of thumb out there. Mikey - Original Message - From: Chad Playso Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 4:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone/compression ratio oh kool! also, what is this "thing" about angles? like i hear i set the valves (not sure if it the valves, just...whatever it is) at 32 degrees...what is that, and what does it do? thanks so much! Chad - Original Message - From: Capt Crunch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone/compression ratio Generally 10.0-10.5 compression will run on 92 no porblem. I ran 11.3 to 1 with iron heads and a zero deck and it loved 92, even on 95 degree days. CC designs such as the vortecs allow about an extra .8 of a point of compression on the same octane. A 38-45 quench will also help detination. Alum heads also allow an extra point or so compression and different cam grinds will bleed of compression at lower rpm's which basically means you only need to add a 92/ higher octane mix when you plan to race up in higher rpm ranges.
Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
so a good thing to do would be to get a short block?cause i figure, if you get the crate motor, you need to put EVERYTHING on it, but if you buy a short or long block, its already mostly put into the motor. Crate motors are about the same as long blocks...some are more complete than others. Kelly Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
woah, 7 mpg? thats TERRIBLE, lol.men dont have a lead foot, only women do... again, good luck with your knocking problem...only wish i could help :( - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? Chad,I must admit, 454's are a blast to drive. My 66 has one, with a 4spd. Wouldnt make for a very good daily driver right? Har Har Har, it is my daily driver. Yes, it gets horrible gas mileage. But how horrible depends on if you have a lead foot. Average, it gets about 7 MPG in the city. On the freeway I wouldnt know, because I never wasted a full tank of gas on the freeway. Darn motor decided to start giving me a knock, and I still dont know what it is, so shes parked for the time being. I would suggest going with a pretty built SB...Lots of power, and halfway decent gas mileage. My dad warned me about the gas mileageI told him Ill learn the hard way. Luckily, ever weekend I work for a family friend, and do chores around here, so it always puts gas in the tank. -Tim
Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
O, i see, so a crate is better than a shortblock...for me it is. thanks so much! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy Chad,Most crate motors are already assembled. Its basically you put it in the car, and start it. Some dont come with carb's, but for the most part, a crate motor is a complete motor.-Tim
[Chevelle-List] 396 engine in 71 72?
was there a 396 produced in 71 and 72? i just passed a 72 chevelle that looked like a SS and it said SS 396? i thought the only things they produced for SS were 350's and 454s? correct me please.
Re: [Chevelle-List] Get a howl from a Holley?
I don't get a howl from either my Holley or Barry Grant when the secondaries open up. Never have. Certainly not like the Quadrajets. "Kelly C. Hanna" wrote: >Can anyone else hear when the secondaries are opened up and the engine is >running under load?Almost all four barrels do that when the secondaries open, in fact I've never heard one that didn't (with an open element air cleaner)...I'll ask my buddy in Michigan who has the same carb and see what he says (my Edelbrock 1406 is the howliest I've ever heard since it doesn't have the flapper that the other carbs do).You listening Larry??? Kelly Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com -- Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com and my For Sale page at http://www.ProStreetCar.com/classifieds.html Tremec Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com Team Chevelle membership #178 (Gold)
Re: [Chevelle-List] Get a howl from a Holley?
I don't get a howl from either my Holley or Barry Grant when the secondaries open up.Never have. Wow, that's kinda disappointing. I've grown to love the howl of the Edelbrock. I wonder if the Demon does it. Kelly Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
I thought a crate motor just referred to the factor that the motor block / head were complete and sold in a wooden crate. A crate motor is a motor which has all the major machining completed. A motor which usually includes the block,crank,cam,heads, but can come in more completed stages. Some new crate motors are fully completed, just down in and start. Crate motors are any size, any make (including FORDS, Chad) and can be in form of completion. Keith - Original Message - From: Kelly C. Hanna To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy so a good thing to do would be to get a short block?cause i figure, if you get the crate motor, you need to putEVERYTHING on it, but if you buy a short or long block, its already mostly put into the motor. Crate motors are about the same as long blocks...some are more complete than others. Kelly Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
NO, a crate motor is a complete almost ready to run engine, usually minus the carb headers. Don so a good thing to do would be to get a short block? cause i figure, if you get the crate motor, you need to put EVERYTHING on it, but if you buy a short or long block, its already mostly put into the motor. - Original Message - From: Don To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy A short block is a complete engine minus the heads, intake, carb, dist, etc. It is basically the block, rods, crank, pistons, cam, etc. A long block is a short block plus the heads (still minus the intake all the bolt on stuff) Don also, i have more questions - whats a short block, and whats a long block. i know what is a big and small block, but whats a short block? thanks Chad
[Chevelle-List] Oregon chevelle and elky club show
Made it to the show and was it cool, the big block factory cars were my favorites. These guys with the club have their stuff together . You could see the dedication of the voluteers at this show , i think that is what made it neat. Met Z16 Larry there what a cool person !!! He had his hands full. Could have spent the rest of the afternoon there but was recovering from the Sammy Hagar concert( my daughter scored free tickets and back stage passes for my wife and I ) weel live and dream chevelles and elky's!
Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
thank you. - Original Message - From: Don To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy NO, a crate motor is a complete almost ready to run engine, usually minus the carb headers. Don so a good thing to do would be to get a short block? cause i figure, if you get the crate motor, you need to put EVERYTHING on it, but if you buy a short or long block, its already mostly put into the motor. - Original Message - From: Don To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy A short block is a complete engine minus the heads, intake, carb, dist, etc. It is basically the block, rods, crank, pistons, cam, etc. A long block is a short block plus the heads (still minus the intake all the bolt on stuff) Don also, i have more questions - whats a short block, and whats a long block. i know what is a big and small block, but whats a short block? thanks Chad
Re: [Chevelle-List] Oregon chevelle and elky club show
I know that was their first show. Big learning curve. I bet they have tales to tell about the good the bad. Now you better be nice to the daughter. rick On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:56:35 -0700 "Doug Fugere" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Made it to the show and was it cool, the big block factory cars were my favorites. These guys with the club have their stuff together . You could see the dedication of the voluteers at this show , i think that is what made it neat. Met Z16 Larry there what a cool person !!! He had his hands full. Could have spent the rest of the afternoon there but was recovering from the Sammy Hagar concert( my daughter scored free tickets and back stage passes for my wife and I ) weel live and dream chevelles and elky's!
RE: [Chevelle-List] 396 engine in 71 72?
The engines actually displaced 402 cubic inches but the "SS396" was such a recognizable name, GM kept it. The 402 came in to being in late '69 I think replacing the ~real~ 396 cubic inch engine. Dale -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chad PlaysoSent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 5:32 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] 396 engine in 71 72? was there a 396 produced in 71 and 72? i just passed a 72 chevelle that looked like a SS and it said SS 396? i thought the only things they produced for SS were 350's and 454s? correct me please.
Re: [Chevelle-List] Get a howl from a Holley?
What I do to test the secondaries of the Holley is take a small paper clip and bend it so it clips lightly on the rod that connects the vacuum diaphragm to the secondary butterfly shaft. Clip it on the rod in a way so after a test drive if the secondary opened you will see the clip has moved down the rod. The clip can't be tight on the rod as it has to slide. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] Howling Edelbrocks
From: Kelly C. Hanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:02:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Get a howl from a Holley? and see what he says (my Edelbrock 1406 is the howliest I've ever heard since it doesn't have the flapper that the other carbs do). Did you remove it? My 1406s (1 on the truck, 1 parts carb) have counterweighted secondary air valves that sit above the secondary throttle blades. The valve is apparently sensitive to engine vacuum but non-tuneable unless grinding metal off the weights is an option. Brad O. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] 396 engine in 71 72?
From: 396guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] 396 engine in 71 72? Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:40:44 -0500 The engines actually displaced 402 cubic inches but the SS396 was such a recognizable name, GM kept it. The 402 came in to being in late '69 I think replacing the ~real~ 396 cubic inch engine. -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chad Playso Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] 396 engine in 71 72? was there a 396 produced in 71 and 72? i just passed a 72 chevelle that looked like a SS and it said SS 396? i thought the only things they Question...was the displacement shown on the SS badges in '71-72? I know by '72 the SS package could be had on any Chevelle regardless of engine displacement; did only the big-block SSs get the displacement call-outs? Brad O. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] 396 engine in 71 72?
Only the 454 did. Side emblems were SS only unless the 454 was ordered. Dale was there a 396 produced in 71 and 72? i just passed a 72 chevelle that looked like a SS and it said SS 396? i thought the only things they Question...was the displacement shown on the SS badges in '71-72? I know by '72 the SS package could be had on any Chevelle regardless of engine displacement; did only the big-block SSs get the displacement call-outs? - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] powder coating 65 frame
I could use some help and advice. I am thinking of powder coating my 65 Malibu's frame and would like to know pros and cons of doing it, where to look to have it done (I am in Las Vegas, NV), and cost. Would I be better off sand blasting the frame and painting it? Any help is welcome. Thanks. Bob A.C.E.S. #1164 T. C. #375 65 Malibu 85 El Camino 95 Camaro end
Re: [Chevelle-List] powder coating 65 frame
Title: Re: [Chevelle-List] powder coating 65 frame Bob, From what Ive heard and read, powder coating is a better process than painting, unless you are going for originality. I sandblasted and painted the frame of my 69 and it turned out great. But who knows how long the finish will last on the street. I will tell you that sandblasting, if you do it yourself, is very time consuming and labor intensive. I did mine in my driveway and boy were my neighbors happy. If I had to do it again, I would find someone who did it for a living and have it powder coated, I just love how clean and neat a good powder coat job looks. Shawn 69 SS396 /325 on 7/1/02 12:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could use some help and advice. I am thinking of powder coating my 65 Malibu's frame and would like to know pros and cons of doing it, where to look to have it done (I am in Las Vegas, NV), and cost. Would I be better off sand blasting the frame and painting it? Any help is welcome. Thanks. Bob A.C.E.S. #1164 T. C. #375 65 Malibu 85 El Camino 95 Camaro end
Re: [Chevelle-List] Oregon chevelle and elky club show
well i met Doug fugere today at our first annual Oregon chevelle and el camino show. what a super nice guy. we walked around and i looked at his nice 69 SS 396 El Camino. i took some pictures of his car and will include it with the pictures i took at the show. anyway we had 138 cars register and i say about 150- 160 showed up. we started this club exactly one year ago and have about 95 members already. The show was a complete success and we had several other clubs tell us what a wonderful show we had put on. Saturday night we had a poker run for the out of town clubs.all went well except for no one told my partner and i (we had the mid point check point and ran cars from two different directions) that they were the last car and the cell phone the director had must be the tin can and string type. so we ended up getting back about an hour after the run was over. there was even an LS6 convert at the show. as most of you know my love for CHEVELLES is the 65's. so most of the pictures i will be posting later are 65 cars but i do have others. there were tons of nice cars. i even saw a real nice 69 2 door post car. i would say for our first show we did exceptionally well and i do believe we actually made some money. the talk is to have at least 175 cars next year. i do believe we can do it with no problem. i really can't tell you of any real problems occurring. i only wish i could have pulled my car out of the garage and taken it. Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] Howling Edelbrocks
Did you remove it? My 1406s (1 on the truck, 1 parts carb) have counterweighted secondary air valves that sit above the secondary throttle blades. The valve is apparently sensitive to engine vacuum but non-tuneable unless grinding metal off the weights is an option. No, it was like that when I bought the caralso trhe one I bought at the swap meet was the same way...no back flapper up top. Kelly Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy
You buy a car that 35 years ago they put one under the seat or gas tank or in the door etc. during assembly :) Larry (z)
