Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 chevelle leak
Around the windshield. It travels down to the dash then to the lip of the dash where it can be carried to the middle of the driver's side before dripping to the floor. I had a leak like that on both sides. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Still has leaks) Crazy Rusty wrote: I noticed the other day when I went to start the chev up that there was a small pool on the floorboard under the brake pedal. I don't have anything on the floor because I am still rewiring the car (which is why I noticed the water). There is no obvious point of entry other then the hole where the speedo cable goes through but I doubt water jumped up through there because the car hasn't moved. Could it possibly be a leak in the side of the window that's rolling around through the dash and dripping down? Anyone else have this problem? I can't find any trace of some pathway in so I am a little mystified on how the water got there. - JB
Re: [Chevelle-list] Comment Pertaining To Election
You folks do know that Bush and Kerry are not the only choices, right? Dennis Kiernan wrote: I, for one, also dont like the usual Democrat's anti-tobacco and anti-gun position. But there is no way I could ever bring myself to vote for a complete phony like Bush. Or a nincompoop like Schvartzenegger in my state.
Re: [Chevelle-list] new parts available
Woops, meant to send that directly to John, but what the heck..I'm sure someone else can benefit. Tim. On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:47:19 -0500 TronDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey John, > > How much are the kick panels? What do you think of the quality? > > Thanks. > > Tim. >
Re: [Chevelle-list] new parts available
Hey John, How much are the kick panels? What do you think of the quality? Thanks. Tim. On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:33:34 -0500 "John Nasta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Usually Trevor at Auto Obsession or I chime in and let you all know > when new stuff becomes available. I'm sure that either of us can get > these for you... > > 19667-67 rear bumper bracket set (4pcs) - Chevelle > > 1968-72 kick panels complete with vents and vent pulls (black only) - > Chevelle / El Camino > > 1968 complete door shell (LH only at this time) - Chevelle coupe > > 1965 Rear license plate bracket set (2pcs) - Chevelle > > 1967 SS Hood Louvers are back in stock - Chevelle / El Camino > > 1970-72 Hood release handle w/ shaft - Chevelle / El Camino > > 1971-72 Front Fenders - El Camino > > 1964-72 Clothes hooks (pair) - all GM vehicles > > Years?? Shoulder harness hooks (the wire thingys that the shoulder > belt sits in at the headliner) - all GM > > There are also a bunch of new Impala, GTO, and Camaro parts available > if anyone is interested > > Enjoy! > > John Nasta > Old Car Network > http://oldcarnetwork.com > > > >
Re: [Chevelle-list] Rear Springs
Moog makes replacement springs. Get them wherever Moog parts are sold like Napa or some other parts store. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:40:53 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I would like to know if anyone has found a place to purchase OEM type > rear springs for a 70 Chevelle. I don't need to have them from > Chevrolet but I want them to at least be the stock specifications with > no lowering etc. I have a sagging back end and want to bring her back > to factory specs..Also I would like to get them for a good price. I > have seen quite a range. > > > > Ed Fleshman > Columbia, SC > HREF="http://members.aol.com/fleshead/EdwardFredMarshallFleshman.html > ">EFMF auto page >
Re: [Chevelle-list] recommended headers 69 396
Not sure how installation would go, I installed them with the motor, but Dynomax headers fit without clearance issues and are fairly cheap. They are 1-3/4 pipes to 3 inch collectors. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Almost on the road again) On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:44:47 -0500 "LandMMilano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > not sure what I have on now but they are beat in on 3 or 4 of the > tubes and hang so low they scrape over the smallest bump. I would > like to install them myself without having to unbolt motor mounts or > mash in a pipe. I think I had headman's on my old 69 with a small > block and they came so close to the oil filter they melted a portion > of it and I had to loosen the header to change the filter. I would > like to avoid all these problems, any suggestions or headers in use > that meet these requirements. pipe size does not matter, by the way > 396 no a/c, ps,pb thanks ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
Re: [Chevelle-list] Adjustale upper trailing arms
I have the BMR adjustable uppers. Yes, you have to grind the arm down on the inside of the driver's side arm. They designed the arms wider than stock at the bushing location and used a poly spacer. I have no idea why they did it that way but it won't fit as is. Hated having to put the grinder to the nicely powder coated arm. Other than that, they are a fine product. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Still waiting to get my summer started :( ) On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:14:31-0500 Trooper<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kent, > They look like a really nice product. They state on there website that > they may require clearancing for some 12 bolt applications. Did you > have to do any clearancing? > > Trooper > > Kent Lewis wrote: > > > > Trooper, > > > > I purchased a set of adjustable upper control arms from BMR > > Fabrication. > > Very heavy duty, nice quality, and I now have more clearance for my > > 3" exhaust system. > > Here is there website http://www.bmrfabrication.com/A-Body.htm > > > > Kent > > '68 Malibu ZZ502/502 > > ACES #5102 > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Trooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:58 PM > > Subject: [Chevelle-list] Adjustale upper trailing arms > > > > > Is anybody using upper adjustable trailing arms on their > > > Chevelle's/Eky's. I'm in the market for a pair and would like to > > > hear some feedback on the different manufactures out there. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Trooper > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Chevelle-list mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net > > > > ___ > > Chevelle-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net > > ___ > Chevelle-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
Re: [Chevelle-List] Control arms for 66 Elky, what think?
Team Chevelle had a group purchase a few months back. I got a set of adjustable uppers. Not installed yet, but they look like a real heavy duty, quality product. Other's that installed them said they went right in and work well. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:12:36 -0600 Dave Corgill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What does the list think of these control arms? > > http://www.bmrfabrication.com/A-Body.htm > > > > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Body Stuff
Well the budget is tight and I'm buying them as the money comes in. I hope to be up to 3 tires by next fall. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Now I'll have one tire for drivin' and one for steerin'. Tough to balance, though) On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:04:20 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan McIntosh) wrote: > Tim, > Both tires? Just what kinda chevy ya got there > I thought them there cars done had 4 tires on em. LOL. > > Dan McIntosh > 64 Impala SS > > > > - Original Message - > From: "TronDD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Body Stuff > > > " Tim. > > Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Soon to be burning both tires at once)" > > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Body Stuff
Is there an echo in here or did my message not go through? TESTING...ing...ing... Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Soon to be burning both tires at once) On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:50:51 -0500 "Bob Hiller -1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Step 1, get a large hammer. > Step 2, hit dents that stick out until they are going in. > Step 3, do whatever you usually do for dents that are going in. > Process complete. > > Sorry, I couldn't resist. > > Bob Hiller > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Body Stuff > > > > In a message dated 12/10/2002 5:25:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > Hey im doing the body work on my 72 chevelle by myself, just kind of > learning > > > as i go. im doing it for my senior project at school. I was wondering if > you > > > guys ahve any suggestions about dents that stick out > > > instead of going in, > > > whats the best way to get rid of those? > > IF YOU CAN GET AT THE BACK OF THE DENT- JUST PUT A DOLLEY BEHIND IT AND > POUND IT FLAT FROM THE OUTSIDE-EITHER WITH A FLAT BODY HAMMER OR A PICK TYPE > > > > - > > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Body Stuff
Hit it with a hammer until the dent sticks in, then fix it the normal way. :) Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Anyone even remember me?) On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:25:04 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey im doing the body work on my 72 chevelle by myself, just kind of learning > as i go. im doing it for my senior project at school. I was wondering if you > guys ahve any suggestions about dents that stick out instead of going in, > whats the best way to get rid of those? > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Looking for some parts
I have a green interior that I want to make black. My dash pad is in good shape, minor cracking on the corners. Really not bad at all. Although the whole interior is old and dirty. Steering wheel is cracked. But I got it if you can get me black replacements. :) Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:53:05 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ok guys, looking for a few items for my 69. I still need a green Malibu > steering wheel. I also need the trim for the vinyl top and a green dash pad, > mine has a few big cracks in it. No one seems to have reproduced the vinyl > top trim yet and I am coming up empty handed on the steering wheel. > I also need to repaint some of the metal interior parts like the glove box > door, pillars, headliner trim. Does anyone know what color that is? Is it > called dark green or Hunter Green or something like that? I tried that > interior paint that OPG sells and it sucks. No matter what I did, it would > not stick. It kept separating from the metal and leaving circles, almost as > if the metal was contaminated with oil or grease. I tried every single > cleaner/degreaser I had and still did it. I could not even get any type of > primer to stick to it very well. Any suggestions??? > > Tom > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] 409 engine
Buy it. It'd be a killer investment. Notice that you can't find any on e-bay. Rare. When you do see them on ebay. Expensive. Very cool ride. My father had a '64 409. Talks about it everyday. And I make sure he really regrets trading it in. :) Tim. On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:50:54 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan McIntosh) wrote: > Fellas, > I have the opportunity to purchase a 63 Impala Convertible. It has a 409 motor in >it, and I was wondering if anyone has any information about this motor. Is it >reliable, expensive, powerful, a boat anchor, anything at all will help. Thanks all. > Dan McIntosh > 65 Malibu - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Retractable seat belts
Arg...why is it that when I have no money, things I need become available? :( Tim. Poor Owner: '69 Chevelle On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 16:15:31 -0500 "Michael Ishee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aight guys thanks for all the help with my rear spring i got it fixed and it > only took about 5 minutes...now those are the kind of repairs i like. No > more drag racing on bumpy road with a shot rear suspension for me. Anyway > my car has the floor mounted retractable seat belts and i cant figure out > how to remove them. There isnt a nut under the car and if that was a nut it > would be very hard to reach it. Do i need to pull the plastic cover off to > get to a bolt or what. And these will also be for sale as soon as they come > off. They are black and original. > Thanks > Michael > > _ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] finding value of car
I didn't even hear about it. I'm about 30 minutes away from Worcester. Bummer. :( Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (still waiting for it's new motor) www.wyatts-torch.com:8080/~dienadel/chevelle/ On Sat, 06 Jul 2002 06:39:25 -0700 "michael andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --Right on! Lots of people tell me to stay with the original stuff, I put it in my >cellar and put what I want in the car. I wwill never sell my car!!! So who cares what >others think its worth. To me its priceless thats why I'm not ever selling it! But it >is fun to know the value of the car you bloody your knuckles on. > > I just got back from the summer nationals in worcester ma. > any body go there? > > thanks mike > > > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:59:03 > Rob wrote: > >Hey Lisa, > >i agree with this, You've allready spent the money,now get out and enjoy > >that fine piece of iron! its value is in direct porportion to the amount of > >enjoyment you get from owning and driving it Would love ta see some pics > >of it! > > > > > > > > Rob Means > >"be good,if not,be good at it > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >- Original Message - > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:17 AM > >Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] finding value of car > > > > > >Lisa, > > > >I dont know the value of such a car, but it sounds really nice. > > > >BUT I can say one thing , _njoy your car and stop worrying about if you > >paid to much. > >This hobby isnt about earning (for most of us) its about containing the > >losses. > > > >Just my opinion ! > > > >Andr_ > > > >> Hi, can anyone give me any ideas on figuring out the value of a 1970 C > >hevelle > >> SS 396 Big Block, matching numbers, > >> cover 1988 All Chevy magazine (if that matters) > >> Great shape, perfect interior, new convertible top, no body damage, 10 > >6,900 > >> miles, I am pretty sure I paid way too much, would like to know curren > >t value! > >> Thanks, > >> Lisa > >> > >> - > >> To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > >> To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > >- > >To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > >To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > >- > >To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > >To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads > and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. > http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] May I ask some more questions? here they are...lol
Oh get off your lazy butt and do some research. :) How old are you? Don't you do reports for school or do you just buy them off the internet? Tim. On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:33:10 -0400 "Chad Playso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > umm...do you know the answers? its a pain to look through all those > websites looking for all my answers...i know, im lazy... > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] May I ask some more questions? here they > are...lol > > > > try this > > > > http://chevelles.com/shop/index.shtml";>Team Chevelle | > Restoration > > Shop or > > > > http://chevelles.com/shop/index.shtml > > > > Team Chevelle has most of the answers to the most commonly asked questions > > > > - > > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Identify this car???
The problem my mail reader is having is the ".jpg" keeps comming out on it's own line. Just have to type that at the end of the address manually. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (soon to be 454 and 5 speed) http://www.wyatts-torch.com:8080/~dienadel/chevelle/ On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:25:07 -0700 "Rodney." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The link got messed up, it should be > http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/!cid_000b01c22265$d430bb80$17cd07c4@l0c8q5 > .jpg > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Paul O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Identify this car??? > > > > All I get from that site is a 404 Error, what ever that is. > > > > NoNeck wrote: > > > > > A guy from South Africa E-mailed me about a car he is considering > > > purchasing. He sent me a picture. For the life of me I cannot figure out > > > what it is! My best guess would be an export 67 Beaumont. Anyone care to > > > guess what it is? It's pretty wild, I've never seen anything like it! > > > Here's the pic > > > > http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/!cid_000b01c22265$d430bb80$17cd07c4@l0c8q5 > > > .jpg > > > Josh Gin (NoNeck) Visit my Chevelle website www.NoNecksChevelle.com > > > > > > - > > > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > > > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] HELP QUICK
Rear is easy. Jack the car up by the frame or jack it up under the diff and put jackstands under the frame. Let the rear hang. Shouldn't be much force left in the springs. Can probably squeeze it enough with your hands or pry at it with a tire iron or something. If all alse fails, removing the shock on that side will allow the rear to drop enough for the spring to almost fall out. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (soon to be 454 and 5 speed) www.wyatts-torch.com:8080/~dienadel/chevelle/ On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 14:04:33 -0500 "Michael Ishee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just took a look under my '69 Chevelle only to find that the left rear > spring is not even seated correctly. The top is what is offset. Is there > anyway that i can just jack up the body and compress the spring and move it > back. Is there anyway i can do this without getting a spring compressor. > Thanks for the help > Michael > > _ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Need a firewall plate (stearing column support) for a manual
Ack. It's for a '69. :) Tim. Proud owner: '69 Chevelle (Soon to be big block manual :) ) On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:33:02 -0400 TronDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm converting from auto to manual and need the plate that covers the firewall where >the stearing shaft gous through. It has the hole for the clutch pushrod. Anyone got >a parts car? > > Thanks. > Tim. > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] Need a firewall plate (stearing column support) for a manual
I'm converting from auto to manual and need the plate that covers the firewall where the stearing shaft gous through. It has the hole for the clutch pushrod. Anyone got a parts car? Thanks. Tim. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] NEWSFLASH - the cost of your resto probably j ust went u
If the consumers are that mindless then why shouldn't the company charge them whatever they want? The people need to smarten up, not be babysat by government. Cliff: I don't know what the outcome of the Microsoft case turned out to be. The whole thing was rediculus to begin with. If Microsoft was a monopoly I wouldn't be using Linux, I'd be using Windows or nothing. The part about Compaq is a contract between them and Microsoft. They did not have to enter such a deal. They did because ultimatly it was best for their business. Lying on the stand or during other legal proceedings is another matter, of course. Whether GM still has a right to this stuff under American laws, I do not know. So without getting into pointless debate about it I'm gonna step out of the conversation. Private Email is fine, but I don't want to get the Chevelle list into politics. We've been there. :) I'm curious to see how this will all turn out as there is no way for me to stock up on parts now while they are cheap. Tim. On Fri, 31 May 2002 12:50:59 -0500 "Kelly C. Hanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Great idea, but not enough spined people to carry it out..most > consumers are mindless when it comes to issues like this. > > > Kelly & Jana Hanna > '78 El Camino Super Sport 350/350 > '73 Chevy C-20 Cheyenne Super 350/400 > www.hannawoodworks.com > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] NEWSFLASH - the cost of your resto probably j ust went u
Then call me crazy because Microsoft is NOT a monopoly. I say this to you from my Linux computer. Nothing makes me buy a Microsoft product and nothing ever will. You people seem to forget that the consumer is the botom line. If a company does something out of line, don't buy from them. Seek an alternative or make one. No one owes you a cheap way to restore a car YOU chose to have. If it becomes too expensive, then don't do it. Then GM looses. Tim. On Fri, 31 May 2002 08:49:15 -0500 "Capt Crunch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to agree with Jason and Brad here. GM's patents and rights have long expired. >And I definetly like higher quality stuff, but the real issue for me is the ethics of >GM in this case. I really feel it isn't right. GM's cheap plastic junk today can't >hold up against the competition so let's stick it to guys who like the old stuff. >Heck it is bad enough half the stupid parts for my 1987 pickup are discontinued. Also >it is getting more and more expensive to restore old cars as it is. Heck a $500 >project starter 10 years ago is $3500 or more today depending what exactly it is. > > Also I feel if you want to go to the extra prep work to make a cheap panel fit and >save a few bucks then that is your choice and rightfully so. Also it does keep other >brands in check price-wise. > > IMO it is definetly time for another Teddy Roosevelt in the White House cause BB is >again getting way out of hand. Look at Microsoft... anyone who says that isn't >monopolistic competition is crazy! > > Mikey > > > > "I think this is a question that needs to be definitively > answered. Has GM in fact retained the rights to the > aftermarket parts in question all these years, but > simply chosen not to pursue any sort of licensing > practices until now? It seems to me (and me not being a > lawyer) that had any patents and copyrights expired they > wouldn't be able to do this." > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] NEWSFLASH - the cost of your resto probably j ust went up
Um...how about the consumer? You don't like it, don't buy it. Tim. On Thu, 30 May 2002 17:27:41 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Can I get an AMEN > corporate greed is changing every aspect of day to day life, yet most people > just sit around and take it because, as stated, "they" have more lawyers than > you do. Sad situation when the independents go out of business, because then > where's the competition? Without any competition, what keeps these big > companies honest?? > > Dan McIntosh > 65 Malibu > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Winter driving...
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List My recomendation would be to get a car you don't care about for the winters. I drove my Chevelle daily for a winter...it was awful. All kinds of new rust popped up. Mostly from a previous owner cover up job, but the winter sure helped. To drive my Chevelle in the winter again would require sealing every square inch of metal in pullet-proof rust prevention. I started my restaration this winter, lots of rust I never saw while the car was together. :( Body work is expensive and some parts aren't reproduced. I won't risk rusting it out. Other people, though, seem to get along fine. The car has lasted (more or less) 30+ years already so maybe it's not all that bad. I just want my car around for a long time and I don't want to be fixing major rust more than once. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Waiting for it's new front suspension) On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:02:33 -0600 "Morris, Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm wondering how many people out there actually drive their chevelle in the > winter (i.e. salt,snow,etc...). > > I'm looking to buy a daily driver, I'd like to get a chevelle but I know > I'll be driving it in the winter. > > Is there any way you can protect a car from winter driving? > > Or how about other recommendations for DD's, I wouldn't mind letting the > salt eat away at a F*rd. > > JM > '69 Elky > www.angelfire.com/retro/project-69 > > > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] pics
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[Chevelle-List] Installing steel inner fenders
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I removed my plastic inner fenders to get them out of the way so I can paint my frame. As many know, the plastic ones are garbage. They are all cracked. I want to replace them with steel repros. Can the steel ones be installed with the outter fender on the car? If it doesn't flex much, it might be a wrestling match getting them in there...is it possible? Are there differant manufacturers of the inner fenders? Anything to avoid or watch for? Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Front suspension is finally off) - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Auto Lifts in your garage ?
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I don't have one but here is a "smaller lift" solution to look into. http://www.rotarylift.com/home.asp Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 11-Jan-2002 Ken's Email wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > > How many of you here on this list have the fortune of > having a lift in your garage ? If so, what are your > recommendations. What about smaller lifts for smaller > garages/applications. > > Thanks, > > Ken McDee > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Getting ready to order interior kit
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I have Kelly Chargers on my '69 Malibu. No problems to speak of, only been on for about 5 months. Definatly white letters out. These older cars look best with the white lettering. I put American Racing Outlaw I rims up front and Outlaw II's in the rear. Have pictures here: www.wyatts-torch.com/~dienadel/chevelle/index.html Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Tearing the front end down tomorrow...yeah!) On 11-Jan-2002 Jeff Fischer wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Did you put the raised white letters in or out? What rims/wheels did you > choose? > > > At 06:53 PM 1/10/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >>Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >>I have Kelly Chargers on my 67 El Camino. They work just fine. >>I have made a couple of straight thru eight to ten hour trips across the >>desert with them. I had about 500 hundred pounds in bed on one trip. I >>wasn't smart enough to cross the desert at night, either. >> Reed >> >>Jeff Fischer wrote: >> > >> > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> > >> > Also went looking at tires and wheels today and the local tire shop >> > recommends a 60's series on the rear and a 70's on the front and showed >> me two tires, a Kelly Charger and Goodrich TA radial tire. What tires >> have you used that have measured up to your expectations for how they >> look and perform? >> > Thanks, >> > Jeff Fischer >> > Lake Elmo, MN >> > '71 Chevelle SS, 454, 4 spd, matching numbers >> > >> >>- >>To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >>To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:Re: [Chevelle-List] Buying points
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > You may know this, but chevelles are famous for rusting out 1- in front & > rear window areas 2-lower fenders (front & rear) and 3- floor pans if it > has window leaks. Don't forget the floor of the trunk. The rear window leak will put the water right inside the trunk where it'll sit for a long time. Tim. Proud Owner '69 Chevelle (Leaking windows and all) - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Elky Door stuck
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > Never failsI kept a slim jim in my Elky after locking myself out twice > in two weeks.have you tried one yet? > > > Kelly C. Hanna > www.hannawoodworks.com What good is the slim jim in the Elky? Lock yourself out...lock the slim jim in. :) Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Getting ready for a suspension rebuild) - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] a-body vs f-body spindles
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Are there any differances between A and F body spindles? I've heard people say they are exactly the same (except stearing knuckle) and I've heard others say the upper ball joint is differant. I'm swapping to discs up front so if I use f-body spindles, will I need f-body anything else? Thanks. Tim. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Gear Vendors
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List No but you can get it with a (numerically) high first gear and keep a (numerically) low rear gear and come out the same as overdrive with a (numerically) high rear gear. Get all that? :) Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 17-Dec-2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > In a message dated 12/17/2001 11:11:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Hey Clint, why not try a Tremec 5sp for <$2k, or a Richmond 5sp for a > little > more?. >> > > The Richmond 5 speed is not an overdrive! > > David, ya gotta have OD > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Make a convertable ?
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I've heard about it being done to other cars. They always say that it requires a lot of modification to reinforce the body as the roof is a major part of the structure. Most people come to the conclusion that it's not worth the trouble and risk of destroying what was a good coupe. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Got snowed on for the first time this season.) On 09-Dec-2001 Cecil \"Steve\" Martin wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > > Just wondering out loud here guys. Have you ever heard of someone turning a > hard top into a rag top? > > Can it be done? > >Steve > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] Baer catalog
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Does someone have a Baer catalog? I'm trying to find prices just to get an idea of what their parts cost. I can't find any prices online, not even in the electronic catalog. I'm not about to buy a print copy of the catalog to find out that it doesn't have prices either or that their stuff is too expensive anyway. Can someone give me an idea of what a Serious Street or Sport package costs? And do they sell conversion kits? I'm going drums to discs but if I end up wanting Baer parts, I won't want to buy an OE kit somewhere else and not use half of it. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (May actually have some work done on it this year) - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Virus,blah, blah...
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I second that. :) At least no one here has suggested Macs yet...that came up as a solution on another list. Ugh. Tim. On 30-Nov-2001 Beck wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Why not use a real Operating System such as Unix/Linux instead. > > Re Beck > > On Thursday 29 November 2001 12:40 pm, you wrote: >> Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >> >Just came across this on another list I belong tokinda interesting. >> >> Note to anyone using Outlook "Depress"...consider getting a new email >> program like Eudora. Outlook is full of holes and allows the greatest >> number of virus attacks of ANY email software on the planet. >> >> >> Kelly C. Hanna >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >> To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] WTC pic
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=161064 This thread is just great at mocking that WTC pic that's been way over debated here. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] how many cfms on a 283?
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List CFM = (Cubic Inches x RPM x Volumetric Efficiency) / 3456 Then there has been some discussion that the CFM is then multiplied by a number that is determined by the other components of the car (dual plane manifold and such). That number is usually 1.2 or 1.3 Anyone else care to comment on that? Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 01-Oct-2001 John Nasta wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > << > i cant remember the formula but a 600 is too much carb for the 283. even > though the 302 came with a 780. i figured it out once (I'll have to look for > the formula) and it seems my big block at the time only needed a 625 or so. >>> > > I would like to know the formula if anybody has it handy. > > Thx, > JN > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] Window knob stays on
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Ok...I took the window crank off (the tool they sell to get the clips off is pretty handy) and took a look at the knob as it didn't stay in at all anymore. It looked like a pressed in and peened (sp?) over type of thing at first but closer inspection looked like there was a clip that fit back there (a groove in the knob's shaft and some wear on the crank lead to that guess). No idea if that is true or not but I fashioned a clip out of a paper clip and it works fine. We can close the books on this one. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Window knob comes off
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Indeed it will...I've launched one of those clips into limbo an a previous occasion. There still isn't a concensus on how they were attached. I've heard popped on ond riveted on. This doesn't look like it had a rivet in it. But this may also be a replaced knob. I guess it's time to take things apart and have a good look. My next post will probably be about finding relacement clips...I hate those things. Tim. On 18-Sep-2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > it will when he goes to replace or fix the knob - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] Window knob comes off
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Last week the drivers side knob on the window crank started to half pop out of the whole and would bind up...I'd have to pop it back in to continue opening or closing the window. Today it decided it would just come all the way out and repeated doing so. Is there supposed to be something that holds the knob in the chrome crank? Is it just a pop in kind of thing that's just worn out and I have to deal with it? Also does anyone know what the original knob color was in a green interior? I have one black (the one that falls out) and one translucent gold (seems to match better) knob. Just curious as I don't think I've ever seen the gold one in any other car. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (with smoke screen option) - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Bedeveling
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List You're looking too hard then...it's very obvious. It's probably smaller than you think. It's way down low on the side of the building. Tim. On 14-Sep-2001 richard a schaefer wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > I didn't see it, but then I don't have much imagination. > rick > > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:56:29 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >> Check this out and tell me if you guys see it> >> >> > http://dailynews.philly.com/content/daily_news/2001/09/13/local/DEVI13C.h > tm >> >> Tom >> >> - >> To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >> To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Bedeveling
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Ha. Look at that. Can't say if that looks real or not though. Tim. On 14-Sep-2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > http://dailynews.philly.com/content/daily_news/2001/09/13/local/DEVI13C.htm - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] '65 Chevelles
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Yes. Tim. On 13-Sep-2001 wrench wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > > I have this beautiful '65 SS, I was wondering if anybody out there could > answer me this...Is there any other car out there as nice as > mine? Plz keep your opinions short as I have too much E-Mail concerning > the attacks on this list. Thank You ! > Bent Wrench '01 > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Nostradamus
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Just some interesting reading material about the quote: http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/cityofgod.html Tim. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] brake pedal pin clip?
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Pull cables I have seen in catalogslet me look. (5 minute pause while I hunt) Ah ha! The Paddock (p139 of catalog if you have it). Part number J5190 (52" cable) and J5193 (12" cable) $39.95 each. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (I have two broken pull cables myself. One stuck open and one stuck closed so I'm covered in summer and in winter) On 06-Sep-2001 Michael Pell wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > I already looked on the Team Chevelle parts for sale pages. > > Does anyone have, or know where I can get the clip that holds the brake > pedal pivot pin in place? It snaps onto the end of the short (1 inch?) > pin, and the brake pedal hinges or pivots on this pin. I need the > clip, and haven't been able to find one. > > While I'm at it, how about the driver's side Astro Ventilation outlet, > the part that holds the ball in, and mounts to the dash. Mine hasn't > faired well... > > and how about the kick panel pull cables... > > So far, I've not found any of these in the major catalogs. > > '69 Chevelle Malibu > > Thanks! > > -- > Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com > and my For Sale page at http://www.ProStreetCar.com/classifieds.html > Team Chevelle membership #178 (Gold) > Time Flies: "It's funny how you can watch a clock and time seems to > stand still. But turn away, and you have to measure time with a > calendar rather than a clock." mjp > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Best auto hobby magazines=see within
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List A lot of people like the new Chevy Rumble. It's on it's second issue I think. I read the first one and thought it was pretty good. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 03-Sep-2001 Ken's Email wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > > Chevelle Afficionados: > > I am currently subscribed to Supreme Chevy Magazine. > Will be running out shortly. > > Need opinions on the best auto hobby magazines, re: > > -Car Craft > -Chevy High Performance > -Supreme Chevy > > - Other ? > > Thanks, > > Ken McD... > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Introduction
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Welcome to the list. After 1972 engine power seemed to be cut in half due to emmissions regulations and rising gas prices. I don't know now hard it is to get parts in Hungary but even that '77 engine can be rebuilt to have the power it would have had before '72. Used engine prices vary quite a bit. Rebuilt 350's I've have been sold anywhere from $800 to $1,600 give or take some depending on power. Used, unrebuilt can be anything. Some people give old engines away. But then you most likely have to have it rebuilt. Good luck on your project. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 03-Sep-2001 Gellért Vinnai wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Hi everyone! > > I'm Gellert Vinnai from Hungary (for those of you who don't know, it's a > small country located in eastern Europe), and i own a '66 Chevy > Chevelle. I bought it about 4 months ago and it was in very bad > condition. I started to restore it and i still have a lot of work with > it. At this time the body work and the painting is finished. Now the > main problem is that the engine is missing so i have to get one somehow. > It's kind of hard here in Hungary. It's possible to find good engines > but they are very expensive. > Last week a man called me, and told me that he's got a 350ci engine out > of a '77 Camaro. I looked after it, and i found out that after '72 > engines became much less powerfull. It's got only 170hp, while in '66 a > 350ci engine's got about 300hp. What is the reason for this? > How much is a used engine in the US? > > You can see pictures of my car at my homepage. The images are in > chronological order and you have to start from the bottom of the page. > There is only hungarian version, but i promise that next week i will put > the english version there too. > > Gellert Vinnai > from Hungary > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Redundant question: tire size for 67 Chevell
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I've always heard (not from reliable sources) that you cannot rotate radial tires side to side. Something about radial tires that once rotating in one direction won't go the other way for some reason. I guess if you swapped your tires you'd be going in reverse all the time. And what if you only rotated the back and not the front...would rip the car in half if you put the hammer down. :) Just wondering if not being able to rotate radials side to side is nonsence. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (bah...rotating tires...just replace the right rear...a lot) On 25-Aug-2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Rotating your tires from side to side will still extend the life of your > tires over non-rotation. Besides, bigger tires in the rear just looks cool > (as long as they don't stick out past the fender well). Most people never > rotate their tires and they still get big miles out of them. Just watch your > alignment, that'll do the damage. > Mark - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] new member / carb question
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Welcome to the list. We can be pretty lively...been comparativly slow recently...must be nice cruising weather. Looks like you're starting with a nice '69 there. I'm jealous. '69 is my favorite year and I'd like an elky to go with my 'velle. Where are you that you found a car with what looks like all the chrome and emblems in a junkyard? Anyway, can't help you with the carb question, just saying hello. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Still known as puddles) On 21-Aug-2001 John Nasta wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Hi all, > > I just joined the list today. I was a professional mechanic about 20 years > ago, so I do know a thing or two about the older cars. I currently own two > 1968 Oldsmobiles and I recently rescued a 69 El Camino from a junkyard. It > had no motor or transmission (originally came with a 350 & 2-spd > powerglide), but it is a very straight, low-rust body and frame. You can see > a picture of what it looked like the day I found it at: > > http://johnnasta.com/elcamino/1.jpg > > Since then I've torn down the whole nose (even took the cobwebs off the > bumper & headlight doors), cleaned up the inner fenders & rad support & > painted them, replaced the entire front end & painted it all with POR-15, I > also painted the from legs of the frame and the firewall with POR-15, and > I've replaced the shocks & springs. I bought a Turbo 350 transmission and I > am currently building a 283 4bbl (1958 block w/ later heads w/ hardened > x-valve seats, stock pistons & cam). > > So, here's the question. I know a guy selling two Q-jet carburetors: > > 17057216 AWT 3256 and 17080298 1952 DNO > > I believe the first one is a 1977 casting number and the second is probably > a 1983 casting. Does anybody know how many CFMs these are and whether or not > either of them will work on a stock cast-iron late 60s (no-EGR) SB intake > manifold? > > Thanks for any advice, and I hope this is a lively list. Seems quiet so far, > but it's only been a few hours. > > John Nasta > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Production questions/build date
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List 1969 10D = 4th week of Oct. FM = Framingham, MA ??? I don't know where I found FM to be Framingham but I can't find it again. All Framingham cars are coded FRA that I can find. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (still leaking...I think I'll name it Puddles) On 16-Aug-2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks tom, > my cousin worked late 60's to mid 70's for chevy in Calif. he always vacation > due to changeover time in July. > OK guys if you want send me your build dates > how about year -build date -and production plant > >Larry - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Production questions
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Ah...I'm corrected again. :) Tim. On 15-Aug-2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > no they made a 01 car and your VIN said 9856 >Larry - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Cowl Tag Question
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I was wondering that, too. I have a 2 and a 12 stamped into mine but couldn't find any info about it. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 15-Aug-2001 Walchuck, Rich wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > I have seen some cowl tags with numbers stamped into them from the top side, > instead of the bottom. This was obviously done after the cowl tag was > attached. Does anyone know why this was done, or what the different numbers > mean, if anything. One person even > stated his Chevelle was worth more due to these extra numbers, but had no > idea what they meant. I have seen this on several cowl tags, but have no > clue as to what they mean. > > Rich > 1969 El Camino SS396 > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Production questions
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I stand corrected...but, isn't it really the 9,855th car? Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 15-Aug-2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Tim: > sorry but believe you are wrong. What I can see is your car was the 9,856 car > to come out of Framingham, ma. plant chevelle started with the numbers 30001 > for 1969. > Larry - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Production questions
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I thought it was supposed to be plant related numbers but when I mis-calculated it to 200,000 that was way too high. Also, mhat's the number on the cowl tag? Body sequence number? Bodies were numbered differantly than the chassis? How were they numbered? Mine is 22256. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 15-Aug-2001 396guy wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > The number on the tag is a sequence production number for the plant, not > just Chevelles. I don't know what other makes/models were produced at the > Framingham, MA plant such as Olds Cutlass, Buick Skylarks, Pontiac LeMans, > or even full size cars. FWIW, beginning with the 1969 model year the > numbers STARTED at 31 so yours was the 9856th car built at the plant. > > As I remember growing up as a kid, the new model years always came out > around Sept/Oct time frame. I think most still do...I know it's d@mn near > impossible to order a new car in late July! > > Dale > >> >> I decoded my cowl tag and VIN for kicks today. It got me >> thinking. How was >> production handled in '69? Like today we get the new model year >> starting in >> september or so. So 2002s will be hitting showrooms soon even though it's >> still 2001. Was it the same in '69? My car was built in October >> but it was >> the 209,856th car built according to the VIN. Would there have >> been 209,000+ >> cars built by the end of october '68? Or was it built in October of '69? >> >> In case you need it, my VIN is 1 3637 9G309856. Not sure if the >> 209,000 cars >> is for coupes only or what. >> >> Oh yeah...The VIN info here lists most coupes as notch backs. >> BUt the last one >> is listed as a Plain Back (#87). What was the plain back, or >> perhaps WHEN was >> it? >> http://www.paddockparts.com/ReferenceCharts/vin_chevelle.html >> >> Tim. >> Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (hopefully all the leaks are finally patched up) >> >> - >> To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >> To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] Production questions
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I decoded my cowl tag and VIN for kicks today. It got me thinking. How was production handled in '69? Like today we get the new model year starting in september or so. So 2002s will be hitting showrooms soon even though it's still 2001. Was it the same in '69? My car was built in October but it was the 209,856th car built according to the VIN. Would there have been 209,000+ cars built by the end of october '68? Or was it built in October of '69? In case you need it, my VIN is 1 3637 9G309856. Not sure if the 209,000 cars is for coupes only or what. Oh yeah...The VIN info here lists most coupes as notch backs. BUt the last one is listed as a Plain Back (#87). What was the plain back, or perhaps WHEN was it? http://www.paddockparts.com/ReferenceCharts/vin_chevelle.html Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (hopefully all the leaks are finally patched up) - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Powerglide Transmission?
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Not under the hood of race cars. I've only recently gotten into cars and I don't follow drag racing to know whats commonly used. Again...although a 1/4 miles is short and many gears wouldn't be necessary...it seemed to me that a 2 speed wouldn't allow you to stay in your optimum power range as long as a tranny with more gears. But I don't know drag racing well enough to know how wide a race engine's power band is or to what RPM the PG shift would put you. Apparently they work so my assumptions are flawed due to my ignarance. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (I'd hit the drags and test out the PG myself if I wasn't gonna leak oil all over the track) On 09-Aug-2001 Rozanski Joe (AN/EDC) wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Tim, where have you been... > the 2 speed powerglide when built is well known and used > in the drag racing circuit > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Powerglide Transmission? > > > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Are we talking 2 speed Powerglides here? I don't much see the value in that > for racing. I would think you would want some more gears. I have a > Powerglide > in my '69...I'd love to sell it, too. Or maybe win races with it...riiight. > > Tim. > Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (2 speeds: start and continue) > > On 09-Aug-2001 Michael Pell wrote: >> >> Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >> If it didn't get wet, I would think it would be just fine. >> >> No, don't throw it away. Someone will want it. Either for a concourse >> restoration, or maybe a drag racer. >> >> I run a PG in my 67 Camaro. >> >> take care >> >> Mike Skinner wrote: >>> >>> Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >>> >>> >>> While cleaning out the garage this past weekend I found the powerglide >>> that I took out of a 67 Camero. Not sure if original to 67 or not. It >>> was working fine when I replaced it with a built 350 turbo. Would it >>> still be good, as it has been sitting inside for 5 years? What would it >>> be worth? Is it just junk that I should haul to the scrap yard? >>> >>> Thanks for the help >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> - >>> To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >>> To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> -- >> Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com >> and my For Sale page at http://www.ProStreetCar.com/classifieds.html >> Team Chevelle membership #178 (Gold) >> >> - >> To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >> To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Powerglide Transmission?
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=594058114 "You are bidding on a good condition Chevy 3 speed automatic PowerGlide Transmission for an early '60's Chevy." I assume he's wrong (or a typo). I've only heard of 2 speed PG's, too which is why I was always baffled by their use in racing. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 09-Aug-2001 Kelly Hanna wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > >>Are we talking 2 speed Powerglides here? > > Not sure there's another kind of PG > >>I don't much see the value in that >>for racing. I would think you would want some more gears. I have a >>Powerglide >>in my '69...I'd love to sell it, too. Or maybe win races with it...riiight. > > you'd be surprised how many people in drag racing use themand win! > > > Kelly & Jana Hanna > 2 Elky 350/350's > 4 weeks til East Texas > > > > > > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Powerglide Transmission?
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List True..but I would think that the shift might drop you below optimum power. But it may not and a quarter mile is too short to need too many gears. I guess, never raced. Is there anyone that's put together a transmission that constatly changed so the engine could be kept the most optimal RPM? Like belts with conical pullies where the belt constantly slides along the pully. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (With a racing tranny) On 09-Aug-2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Well, if you think about it most drag cars make their power at high rpms... > powerglides are notorious for high rpm's having only 2 gears... Plus if you > only have to shift once you can concentrate more on your gagues and on when > to hit the NOS button :) > > > Rodney. > 71 Chevelle > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 7:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Powerglide Transmission? > > >> >> Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >> Are we talking 2 speed Powerglides here? I don't much see the value in > that >> for racing. I would think you would want some more gears. I have a > Powerglide >> in my '69...I'd love to sell it, too. Or maybe win races with > it...riiight. >> >> Tim. >> Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (2 speeds: start and continue) >> >> On 09-Aug-2001 Michael Pell wrote: >> > >> > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> > >> > >> > If it didn't get wet, I would think it would be just fine. >> > >> > No, don't throw it away. Someone will want it. Either for a concourse >> > restoration, or maybe a drag racer. >> > >> > I run a PG in my 67 Camaro. >> > >> > take care >> > >> > Mike Skinner wrote: >> >> >> >> Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> >> While cleaning out the garage this past weekend I found the powerglide >> >> that I took out of a 67 Camero. Not sure if original to 67 or not. > It >> >> was working fine when I replaced it with a built 350 turbo. Would it >> >> still be good, as it has been sitting inside for 5 years? What would > it >> >> be worth? Is it just junk that I should haul to the scrap yard? >> >> >> >> Thanks for the help >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> - >> >> To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >> >> To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > -- >> > Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com >> > and my For Sale page at http://www.ProStreetCar.com/classifieds.html >> > Team Chevelle membership #178 (Gold) >> > >> > - >> > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >> > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> - >> To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >> To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Powerglide Transmission?
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Are we talking 2 speed Powerglides here? I don't much see the value in that for racing. I would think you would want some more gears. I have a Powerglide in my '69...I'd love to sell it, too. Or maybe win races with it...riiight. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (2 speeds: start and continue) On 09-Aug-2001 Michael Pell wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > If it didn't get wet, I would think it would be just fine. > > No, don't throw it away. Someone will want it. Either for a concourse > restoration, or maybe a drag racer. > > I run a PG in my 67 Camaro. > > take care > > Mike Skinner wrote: >> >> Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >> While cleaning out the garage this past weekend I found the powerglide >> that I took out of a 67 Camero. Not sure if original to 67 or not. It >> was working fine when I replaced it with a built 350 turbo. Would it >> still be good, as it has been sitting inside for 5 years? What would it >> be worth? Is it just junk that I should haul to the scrap yard? >> >> Thanks for the help >> >> Mike >> >> - >> To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >> To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com > and my For Sale page at http://www.ProStreetCar.com/classifieds.html > Team Chevelle membership #178 (Gold) > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Mailing List is now archived
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Nice. I always thought that would be a handy feature. Of course it would be better for me if I could search posts from before I joined the list, I read them all now. :) It'll be fun to go back after a while and see how many unsubscribe posts we have had. Thanks for the effort in making this a great list. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (With a new windshield leak now that I fixed the old one) On 06-Aug-2001 Al McKenzie wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Big thanks to Rodney (rrstalnaker) for his help on this. > > The Chevelle-List is now available for viewing online. > > Our popular mailing list which was created by Mitch back in 95 and now > hosted and maintained by Team Chevelle is archived by mail-archive.com > > All future postings will be available online. > > It is exceptionally well organized by thread and/or date. The search > engine will return results directly from our list. > > Here is the link. > > http://www.mail-archive.com/chevelle-list@chevelles.net/ > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Vendors, parts and supplies forum
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List That was it...I thought I tried that before and it didn't work. Oh well, I guess it works. Anyone save all the emails about the vendors so we can start posting them and getting a good list together? Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 24-Jul-2001 jerry wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Holy S! Forgot about that. Hmmm, what the heck is it?try "chevelle" (no > quotes) > > jerry > > > > > > > 7/23/01 10:55:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >>Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >>It's asking for a registration password. Come on now, give it up. >> >>Tim. >>Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle >> >>On 24-Jul-2001 jerry wrote: >>> >>> Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >>> >>> >>> Ok, guys and girls, >>> I decided to give this a try. I put together a forum on EZ Board to see if >>> we >>> could set up a board for the >>> discussion of vendors and suppliers and services, all chevelle, ec and mc >>> related. If you folks would just go >>> there and make a few test posts, I would appreciate it. I'll fine tune it >>> later on in a few days. Feel free to leave >>> any comments in the 2 cents forum. I think I have it set up to sign in in >>> order to post. If you would, just use >>> the name you are signed up on this list as your ID. Thanks! >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> >>> >>> Guess the link would help, huh? >>> >>> http://pub39.ezboard.com/bchevellevendorspartsandsupplies >>> >>> (they put the "b" in there, no clue as to why) >>> >>> >>> - >>> To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >>> To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>- >>To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >>To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Vendors, parts and supplies forum
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List It's asking for a registration password. Come on now, give it up. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 24-Jul-2001 jerry wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Ok, guys and girls, > I decided to give this a try. I put together a forum on EZ Board to see if we > could set up a board for the > discussion of vendors and suppliers and services, all chevelle, ec and mc > related. If you folks would just go > there and make a few test posts, I would appreciate it. I'll fine tune it > later on in a few days. Feel free to leave > any comments in the 2 cents forum. I think I have it set up to sign in in > order to post. If you would, just use > the name you are signed up on this list as your ID. Thanks! > > Jerry > > > > Guess the link would help, huh? > > http://pub39.ezboard.com/bchevellevendorspartsandsupplies > > (they put the "b" in there, no clue as to why) > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] 69 Ride height
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List The front wheel well is cut higher for the front wheels. Go by how level the frame is or something. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 19-Jul-2001 Terence wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Is the 69 chevelle ss 396 suppose to be considerable > higher in the front > than the rear? I can just barely see the top tread > on my rear tires, while > the chrome on the front wheel well is 5+ inches above > the tread. Please let > me know if this is normal, or if the car should be > level which would require > me raising the rear 2 inches or lowering the front 2 > inches. > > Lojac > > p.s. thanks goes out to all of you that are helping > me. I can really use > it. > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List]OPG - NPD - Year One-
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Parts that don't fit and the captions in the catalogs are a result of trying to make a quick buck. These companies are just resellers. They don't care what the products is, they just want to sell it for a profit. They don't test it or even write the caption for it. I've seen captions that are exactly the same as the caption in other catalogs and on the part manufacturor's web site. They just want to move parts. A good reseller would sell what they feel to be a good quality product. I for one wouldn't sell crap unless that's what I was selling it as. If a company actually looking into the products they sold, they would be more willing to back it up with a guarantee (which becomes customer service). I have used the Paddock and didn't have any trouble with them. The best thing about them is when you are on hold, it's like a half hour commercial for them and it has that funky echo for effect or something. "The Paddock, the leader in to your door parts parts parts." Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 14-Jul-2001 Kent Lewis wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > I agree. With the money "we" spend on our cars, it would be nice if there > was a list of parts "to avoid" as well as vendors "to avoid". The more > parts I buy, the more problems I encounter with the quality of the > reproductions. As far as Ground Up Restorations, I do not have very nice > things to say. The parts (big block valve covers & open element air > cleaner) that they sent me DID NOT FIT ! I could not believe that they > market chrome BB valve covers, w/drippers and the correct projection > "dimples" visible, but they DO NOT FIT ! The same with the open element air > cleaner. Actually, the air cleaner fits fine, until you try to install the > flame arrestor (wire screen for air breather) that Ground Up sells. The > flame arrestor is perfectly round, the tube that is welded into the base is > round also. However, the tube is cut at an angle, which makes the hole > "oblong" and the round flame arrestor DOES NOT FIT ! I am presently > cutting,welding, and grinding to make the flame arrestor work. The valve > covers were sent back, (guess who pays for both shipping cost ?). > You have to wonder...don't they even try this stuff out to see if it fits > ? Before they sell it ? I am so disgusted with the lack of quality in the > reproduction parts business. If you cannot make the part correctly, don't > waste time, energy, resources, and ultimately MY MONEY !!! > Sorry for the "soapbox", but it really ticks me off when the catalogs say > "These exact reproduction coversblah,blah,blah" - the caption should > read, "These covers LOOK real nice, but don't fit for SH#T" !!" > > > Kent > '68 Malibu ZZ502/502 > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] remove from list
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List :) Seriously, does it even matter what the topic of the list is? What would you expect to gain by joining a list that has only 4 emails a year? There could be so many good lists out there if there was only enough information being passed around on them. 50 e-mails a day...I expect nothing less from a good list. We need to make a testimonials page made up of all these "too much e-mail" complaints so people know what they are getting into. If it scares them off, at least we won't have to put up them asking us to be removed because they can't do it themselves. But then, that's the type of person who would ignore the warnings anyway. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 11-Jul-2001 Dave Corgill wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > At 12:01 PM 07/11/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >>Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >>Hi, >> >> Thanks for putting me on the list. I must admit, I thought I was >> going to >>get about 4 emails per year, rather than 50 per day! Would you please >>remove me from the list? Thanks. >> >>Pat Kerwin > > 4 Emails per year? Oh that's the Fords-Running-Good list, or > it's the Why-Fords-are-Better-Than Chevys list. > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] & The Doberman gang in Dallas (Taxes) > Dave's Doberman page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1877/ > Doberworld home page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1878/ > El-Camino/Chevelle page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1876/ > My Machine Shop http://cncshop.8m.com > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] 69 Chevelle Parts
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List If you're so desperate to unload, I'll only charge you $50 to allow you to send me the whole thing. Have any chrome trim pieces? How about interior bits? Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 29-Jun-2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > YES YES YES i have parts that need to go!! im pretty sure i have what > you need, i have three hoods all with latches..i have other > things to if you need. im getting complaints of my parts car in the > driveway.gotta get rid of it all. > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:47:14 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >> Anybody have any extra 69 Chevelle parts they are looking to get rid >> of? I >> specifically need the hood latch support and the upper grill >> mounting >> brackets. >> >> Tom >> >> - >> To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >> To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] New Chevy mag.
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Just letting you know that there is a now Chevy magazine on the shelves. "Chevy Rumble" just came out this month. Covers a lot of pre-Chevelle Chevys but has articles on small block induction, disc break conversion, an 8.1 Vortec motor, and a '69 502 Chevelle. Might want to hit the news stand and check it out. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Not a 502..) - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Napster in Dumpster
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Also check out Tucows. They have a filesharing catagory for software. http://tucows.gironet.nl/fileshare95.html (Or find it from www.tucows.com) Tim. On 24-Jun-2001 rob boleky wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > try www.audiogalaxy.com > > 396guy wrote: > >> I guess Napster has blocked all copyrighted material. Its been a while >> since I've been there and can't get any searches to come up with anything. >> Any other sites? >> >> Dale McIntosh >> ACES #1709/TC #92 Gold >> http://www.dalesplace.com >> >> >> Name: winmail.dat >>winmail.datType: Npcfg32 File (application/ms-tnef) >> Encoding: base64 > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Edelbrock Carb distinctions= opinions sought
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List What about the "other" Edelbrock carbs? The Edelbrock Q-jet and the Carter (Which I think is also Edelbrock)? Is an Edelbrock an Edelbrock no matter what they call it? Also the Holley Avengers look very tuneable. Haven't seen any in anyone's car, though. Anyone know? Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (2bbl :( ) On 23-Jun-2001 Don Overpeck wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > I have to agree. > I run an Edelbrock 1405 & I like it. > I haven't run a Quad in years but hope I never have to again! > Don > > > >>An Edelbrock is a very easy carb to tune, go with it! >>(this from a Holly only man for 30 years). >>A Quada-junk is a Quada-junk! >>IF you are VERY VERY good at setting one up they can be a >>great carb! If you are not forget it! >> >>- >>To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >>To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Let me start by saying I am in no way tring to force you to wear a seat belt. It's all up to you. This started with the argument that people should choose if they want to use safety equipment or not but if they choose not to, I shouldn't have to pay the bill. It would probably be better to hit the on comming car due to crumple zones and the like. But if they are going very fast, the impact felt is his momentum plus yours, you're gonna feel it pretty good no matter how much you slow down. Also sometimes insurance, medical personnel, and the police aren't too happy that you hit the other car dead on if you could have swerved to avoid it. My father drives with the attitude of: it's my lane I can use any part of it I want, you stay out. But these days, the other drivers aren't intimidated by that and don't budge. I hate riding with my father. But I digress. Anyway, do what you want. And I would definatly wear a seatbelt (maybe two) if I had to ride with you. :) Maybe your seatbelts need pins on the inside to reduce that safe feeling. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 22-Jun-2001 Bodolosky, Darin (MLIM) wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > "But what about driving down the street at 35mph and some idiot comming the > other way weaves into your lane? You swerve and hit a tree." > > I learned this long ago.. I don't swerve.. You endanger yourself more when > you try to react and correct.. If the guy want's to hit me, and he is in the > wrong lane, I'll brace myself and slow down as > quickly and safely as possible.. If it were a deer, I'd slow as much as > possible and hit it square on. If you hit a tree it's your fault for not > having control of your car. if you are hit in your own > lane, it's the other persons fault, and if you hit a deer, and nothing else > it's considered an act of god.. Like I said, it's all a personal opinion, I > don't knwo for sure if it would help or not in > any situation, but since it's a 50-50 chance I'll stick too my half.. Also I > notice that I actually pay less attention to what I am doing when wearing a > seatbelt, I guess it's a "well I'm safe" > feeling where I can think about other things than the road. I'm not telling > you to NOT wear seatbelts.. So please don't force me to wear one. especially > when data can prove either point! of course > please don't think that you upset me.. or that I am mad at you because you > want me to wear a seatbelt.. I'm just stating the way I feel and expect you > to do the same.. and If you were too ever ride > with me I would expect you to wear your seatbelt.. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 4:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls > > > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > But what about driving down the street at 35mph and some idiot comming the > other way weaves into your lane? You swerve and hit a tree. You saying > that a seatbelt is more likely to do you more harm than good? It's at high > speed agressive driving where you shouldn't bother wearing one. If you get > in > an accident at high speed the injuries will be so severe that in this case > it's > less likely that a seatbelt will matter (but it's still possible it will). > > It would seem to me that at any speed, chances are the seatbelt will help. > > Tim. > Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle > > On 22-Jun-2001 Bodolosky, Darin (MLIM) wrote: >> >> Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >> Since I don't wear a seatbelt every day, I'll take a stab out of this.. >> Personal data has shown that seatbelt's either won't matter, or can possibly >> end up worse off.. I have seen 50-50 results, >> people rolling cars where one pass was and one wasn't wearing a belt.. the >> one who wasn't was tossed from the car, and sustained serious injury, the >> second was trapped in the car and died.. I also had >> an uncle who was NOT wearing a belt and was t-boned by a semi (driver side) >> and was pushed to the passenger side of the car. The drivers side was so >> mangled that the officer and paramedics said if he >> were to have had his belt on he would have been trapped and seriously >> injured >> or killed.. I have seen the opposite as well.. Which is why (unless I know I >> will be driving really agressively or on >> holidays when they have belt checks) I do not wear seatbelts.. >> > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to:
RE: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Exactly. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 22-Jun-2001 Robert B. King wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Good call. I don't mind paying for my own mistakes, but why should I have > to pay for the stupidity of others? > > Bob King > > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > Seat belts are good. Helmets too. But they do not reduce the overall > cost due to accidental injury. Death reduces cost. So in an accident where an unbelted occupant would sustain major injuries and cost a bundle, a belted occupant who sustains light injuries wouldn't cost less? A person with a helmet that falls off ther bike getting scratched and a concussion isn't cheaper than someone without a helmet falling off their bike and causing brain damage and becoming unable to work, move, or think? Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List On 22-Jun-2001 Frank Evan Perdicaro wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > >> > Seat belts are good. Helmets too. But they do not reduce the overall >> > cost due to accidental injury. Death reduces cost. >> >> So in an accident where an unbelted occupant would sustain major injuries >> and >> cost a bundle, a belted occupant who sustains light injuries wouldn't cost >> less? > > The question is the overall cost to, not a particular cost. The > argumetation technique you are using, picking a contrived example in > attempt to prove a point, is rather lame. > I'm trying to come up with an example in opposition to your argument. If I can find one example that shows helmets and seatbelt are cheaper to society then it blows your argument out of the water. But I think I have gotten off track and you aren't making your point clearly. My question for you is, overall cost to whom? I was considering only government cost, as in my tax dollars. Someone whe get's a bruise from a seatbelt shouldn't cost me a dime. Someone on disability, welfare or medicare can cost me. >> A person with a helmet that falls off ther bike getting scratched and a >> concussion isn't cheaper than someone without a helmet falling off their >> bike >> and causing brain damage and becoming unable to work, move, or think? > > Circular reasoning alert! > A person that cannot think has to have others care for him. So > society must pay. Another bad example and lame argument. > > If the person cannot think, with no aid from society, he will die. > Death is cheaper. So yes, a concussion is more expensive. > So then that was not a lame example. That's what I wanted to hear. You suggest that anyone who sustains fatal injury due to their unsafe practices should be left to die. That works for me. Pay for your own mistakes. That goes for non-fatal injuries, too. If it's due to your stupidity, then you pay for it. I don't think society should support stupidity. Are you suggesting we leave them to die or just stating that it would be cheaper if we did? So the point is not what type of incident would cause more injury and therefore cost more in medical aid but what should be done if someone needs aid due to their non adherence to safty. Tim. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List But what about driving down the street at 35mph and some idiot comming the other way weaves into your lane? You swerve and hit a tree. You saying that a seatbelt is more likely to do you more harm than good? It's at high speed agressive driving where you shouldn't bother wearing one. If you get in an accident at high speed the injuries will be so severe that in this case it's less likely that a seatbelt will matter (but it's still possible it will). It would seem to me that at any speed, chances are the seatbelt will help. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 22-Jun-2001 Bodolosky, Darin (MLIM) wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Since I don't wear a seatbelt every day, I'll take a stab out of this.. > Personal data has shown that seatbelt's either won't matter, or can possibly > end up worse off.. I have seen 50-50 results, > people rolling cars where one pass was and one wasn't wearing a belt.. the > one who wasn't was tossed from the car, and sustained serious injury, the > second was trapped in the car and died.. I also had > an uncle who was NOT wearing a belt and was t-boned by a semi (driver side) > and was pushed to the passenger side of the car. The drivers side was so > mangled that the officer and paramedics said if he > were to have had his belt on he would have been trapped and seriously injured > or killed.. I have seen the opposite as well.. Which is why (unless I know I > will be driving really agressively or on > holidays when they have belt checks) I do not wear seatbelts.. > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Haha. I like that one. That way they can hang the phone from their head by the spike and have both hands free for driving 'cause you know it won't stop them from using the phone. Tim. On 22-Jun-2001 Dave Corgill wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > At 03:35 PM 06/22/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >>Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >>Goes along with what someone once said: People drive like maniacs these days >>because they know they won't die. They have airbags. If, instead of >>airbags, >>knives shot out of the steering wheel in an accident, people would drive alot >>more carefully. >> >>Maybe we could start doing that to make cars more dangerous. :) > > Hmm, & spikes that shoot out of cell-phones... > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Oh yeah...forgot about insurance. Not something I would know about since I got the run around trying to get the Chevelle insured and ended up with just the legal minimum. My insurance won't get me a new car. Not even another car. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Not disposable) > > Easy throw away cars, when you wreck one your insurance company > will buy you another one... New cars have to be insured ! > > Lets, see my last Yaka-Yaka- sow-sow was blue now I can get a > red one, since I ran a RED light & I was tired of the blue one! > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] & The Doberman gang in Dallas (Taxes) > Dave's Doberman page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1877/ > Doberworld home page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1878/ > El-Camino/Chevelle page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1876/ > My Machine Shop http://cncshop.8m.com > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I don't think it should matter what percent costs us how much. The point is people who choose not to protect themselve should not get any aid. There should be seatbelt and helmet requirements not laws. As in, you are required to wear it, if you choose not to and get hurt because of it, you're on your own. No government aid. No punishment for not doing it, but you are rewarded by doing it. More like a covenant, don't follow the rules, fine. But good luck. I don't know why people wouldn't wear a seatbelt anyway. Although with a nonretractable shoulder belt, as in my Chevelle, I can't reach the vent knobs and can barely get to the window crank, but I manage. So don't give me crap about it being restrictive or uncomfortable. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 22-Jun-2001 Steve Allen wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Frank Evan Perdicaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Check the REAL FACTS with the CDC, IIA, AMA and other organizations >> that collect REAL DATA, not opinions. > > NHTSA doesn't count? > > "According to a 1996 NHTSA study of 10 states, 24 percent of inpatient > hospital > costs are paid by Medicare, Medicaid, and other government sources. NHTSA > estimates that if seat belt usage rates for front seat passengers in > automobiles and light trucks were to increase from the present 68 percent > to 85 percent, Medicare and Medicaid would save $275 million a year. > With a 90 percent use rate, the savings would total $356 million a year!" > > http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/airbags/presbelt/everyone_problems.html > > > Oh, hey, the CDC says: > > "Editorial Note: In 1983, nearly 30,000 occupants of automobiles died on U.S. > highways. Only 484 (2%) were reportedly wearing seat belts (1). Seat belts > could prevent at least 60% of serious injuries to older children, teenagers, > and adults in automobile collisons (2). Similarly, properly used child > restraints could prevent virtually all serious injuries to infants and > younger children (3)." > > http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/0596.htm > > > "Universal Motorcycle Helmet Laws *Reduce Costs to Society*" > (Emphasis in the source) > > "Helmet Laws Reduce Public Payout Helmet laws significantly > reduce the strain on public resources. Unhelmeted riders cost more to treat > at > the hospital, spend a longer time in rehabilitation, and are more likely to > require some form of public assistance to for pay medical bills and > rehabilitation. In 1991, prior to enacting its helmet law, California?s state > medical insurance program paid $40 million for the treatment of > motorcycle-related head injuries. That figure dropped to $24 million after > enactment of a universal helmet law." > > http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/pedbimot/safebike/costs.html > > > More from the CDC: > > "safety belts are 45%--60% effective in reducing deaths and 50%--65% > effective > in reducing moderate-to-critical injuries (21)" > > 21. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Traffic safety facts > 1999: > occupant protection. Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation, > National > Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 2000; publication no. DOT HS 809 090. > > http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5007a1.htm > > > > What was that you said about checking facts? > > > Yeah, I know the old saw about "lies, damn lies and statistics", and that > for every source that someone pulls up that shows one opinion, someone can > pull up one that says the exact opposite. > > Let's see _your_ links. > > > ~Steve > > > -- > Steven R. Allen - SGI Admin Weenie > http://www.eskimo.com/~wormey/ > > Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. > It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with. > > The charity that is a trifle to us can be precious to others. -- Homer > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Goes along with what someone once said: People drive like maniacs these days because they know they won't die. They have airbags. If, instead of airbags, knives shot out of the steering wheel in an accident, people would drive alot more carefully. Maybe we could start doing that to make cars more dangerous. :) Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (With impaler steering column) On 22-Jun-2001 Frank Evan Perdicaro wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > >> True, but the whole "burden on society" thing is a differant can of worms. > > I certainly agree. The main problem we have with this type of > discussion is typified by resposnes like the one below. > > Check the REAL FACTS with the CDC, IIA, AMA and other organizations > that collect REAL DATA, not opinions. > > You will find seat belts and motorcycle helmets actually INCREASE the > cost to society! Death is always cheaper than hospitalization. If the > goal is to reduce the dollar cost to society we should make cars and > motorcycles as deadly as possible. > > Please, unless you are REALLY SURE of your facts, keep quite. This > subject has been studied in great detail and the facts are easy to > discover. Some people find the facts -- reality -- hard to deal with > and choose to ignore the facts while arguing. > >> > It's not so much the people being killed that's the problem, but rather, >> > the people that end up maimed and unable to work becoming a burden on >> > society, which happens a lot more than death does. Seat belts and helmets >> > push the injury bar higher, so there's not so big a gap between "you be >> > OK" >> > and "you be stupid so you die." >> > >> > ~Steve > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I wish I could throw cars away and get new ones...that takes quite a bit of money these days. What was it, 3 grand for a new Chevelle? Today the cheapest cars are more around $15,000 and all you get is 4 cylinders, 90 HP, and a box on wheels. Nothing there to take pride in. Of course, with some more money...I could take pride in a new Farrari. :) Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (This thread is going all over the place now) On 22-Jun-2001 Dave Corgill wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > At 10:16 AM 06/22/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >>Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >> > True, but the whole "burden on society" thing is a differant can of worms. >> >>I certainly agree. The main problem we have with this type of >>discussion is typified by resposnes like the one below. >> >>Check the REAL FACTS with the CDC, IIA, AMA and other organizations >>that collect REAL DATA, not opinions. >> >>You will find seat belts and motorcycle helmets actually INCREASE the >>cost to society! Death is always cheaper than hospitalization. If the >>goal is to reduce the dollar cost to society we should make cars and >>motorcycles as deadly as possible. >> >>Please, unless you are REALLY SURE of your facts, keep quite. This >>subject has been studied in great detail and the facts are easy to >>discover. Some people find the facts -- reality -- hard to deal with >>and choose to ignore the facts while arguing. > > You are 100% right Frank. > To add to what you said Frank, why do people Now-A-Days not EVEN stop > at red lights? Because they "think" they can't get hurt with all > the air bags, side bags, etc! > And because most people don't take pride in their cars Now-A-Days. > Can't blame them much for that as the new cars are just "appliances" > to be used like a toaster & thrown away for a new one. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] & The Doberman gang in Dallas (Taxes) > Dave's Doberman page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1877/ > Doberworld home page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1878/ > El-Camino/Chevelle page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1876/ > My Machine Shop http://cncshop.8m.com > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List True, but the whole "burden on society" thing is a differant can of worms. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (A burden on my wallet) On 22-Jun-2001 Steve Allen wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Also, I am against seatbelt and helmet laws. You want to die...fine. But >> you >> speeding could kill me so forget that. > > It's not so much the people being killed that's the problem, but rather, > the people that end up maimed and unable to work becoming a burden on > society, which happens a lot more than death does. Seat belts and helmets > push the injury bar higher, so there's not so big a gap between "you be OK" > and "you be stupid so you die." > > ~Steve > > > -- > Steven R. Allen - SGI Admin Weenie > http://www.eskimo.com/~wormey/ > > Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. > It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with. > > The charity that is a trifle to us can be precious to others. -- Homer > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List What's so bad about targeted advertising? I'd rather see ads for Chevelle parts than tampons and herbal breast enhancers. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Look Ma, I mentioned Chevelles) On 22-Jun-2001 Steve Allen wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> But anyway...back to the point of privacy: Again...if you're not doing >> anything wrong, why do you care who knows where you are in your car or when >> you >> use your credit card? > > Because there are people that like to make it their business to track what > other people are doing, in order to target advertising at them, or for other > reasons. I would just as soon _not_ have people profiling me, thank you > very much. > > ~Steve > > > -- > Steven R. Allen - SGI Admin Weenie > http://www.eskimo.com/~wormey/ > > Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. > It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with. > > The charity that is a trifle to us can be precious to others. -- Homer > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Not me. I haven't been of voting age that long. Blame someone else :P Do people actually vote for anti-privacy type laws and practices or are they just put into use "for the good of society"? I certainly didn't vote to allow my name and number to be sold to any and all companies so they can call me all day and all night. Also, I am against seatbelt and helmet laws. You want to die...fine. But you speeding could kill me so forget that. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle On 22-Jun-2001 Tom \"Gunn\ wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > >> "Too fast" isn't an opinion it's a law. You pay the price of some freedom > in >> order to gain safety from others. That's society. Why should I drive > 30mph in >> a residential area just so I can get whacked in front of my house by a guy > going >> 90 who has a differant opinion of "too fast"? I'd like to go 90mph >> sometime...but I give up the freedom to do so in order to be protected > from >> others who won't do it safely. >> >> But anyway...back to the point of privacy: Again...if you're not doing >> anything wrong, why do you care who knows where you are in your car or > when you >> use your credit card? > > Oh boyI always wondered who those people were that voted for those > "anti-privacy" laws, rules and regulations in addition to speed limits, > seatbelt and helmet laws, etc (gotta be the same person!)I guess now I > know of one ;( > > -Tom > > > Tom's 1966 Chevelle SS > http://home.earthlink.net/~tmagyar/chevelle > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List "Too fast" isn't an opinion it's a law. You pay the price of some freedom in order to gain safety from others. That's society. Why should I drive 30mph in a residential area just so I can get whacked in front of my house by a guy going 90 who has a differant opinion of "too fast"? I'd like to go 90mph sometime...but I give up the freedom to do so in order to be protected from others who won't do it safely. But anyway...back to the point of privacy: Again...if you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care who knows where you are in your car or when you use your credit card? BTW, don't take me too seriously. I'm not the morality police when it comes to speeding or anything. I was just stating an obvious solution to an example scenario. I'm taking this conversation lightly so I hope the rest of you all do, too (without taking the actual point too lightly). Also, I never read the original post so I'm just talking out of my @$$ anyway. :) Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Now accepting 4bbl carb and intake donations) P.S.: NO ONE controls your life but you. On 21-Jun-2001 Michael Pell wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > > Besides, the point isn't that you drove a little "too fast" according to > somebody else's opinion of "too fast"... > It's the fact that we're losing our privacy on a daily basis. At the > rate we're going, our lives will be electronically monitored and > somewhat controlled. It's already technically possible, and in some > cases being used. The rental car was one example, parollees with their > electronics, credit card purchases, etc. > I predict that one day all new cars, guns, etc will one day have a GPS > chip It goes on and on. > > Even the military is losing out these days. There was a news story on > the radio just this morning that described how simple cell phone > technology can detect a Stealth bomber flying over head. Put enough of > them together and track its course. so much for that billion dollars of > privacy. :-) > > We even have proven technology that will tell you when you've used up > 9/10 of a gallon of milk and need to order more. Jeeez. > > Just look at the trends over the past few years, and then look forward > 10-20 years. 30, 40... > I'm less concerned about me and my next 30-40 years than I am for my 18 > month old son's future. > > It's ironic how the quality of life (at least in the US) continues to > improve, but that there is a price to pay. > > Even our carburated/points cars aren't safe, consider the radar > controlled license plate picture taker at the end of that quiet straight > road. Yikes! that's gonna hurt.:-) > > "Bodolosky, Darin (MLIM)" wrote: >> >> Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >> If your not kicking 70-80 on the NJ turnpike your holding up traffic ;o) >> Personally I don't speed that much.. But I was embellishing as the previous >> poster did in his reply... >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:08 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls >> >> Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >> So don't speed. >> >> On 21-Jun-2001 Bodolosky, Darin (MLIM) wrote: >> > >> > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> > >> > >> > Of course when you are kicking 80mph on the turnpike and your easy pass >> > tells the satellite that your speed averaged 77 MPH between exit 1 and 2 >> and >> > you averaged 82mph between 2 and 3.. and the satellite feeds right into >> the >> > state police station, prints and mails you two 2 point 165.00 speeding >> > tickets, your insurance company doubles your rate because the state police >> > feed right into the insurance database of bad drivers. You'll really love >> > technology.. especially if it get's too the point that on your 5th offence >> > the satellite pings your fuel injection and shuts you down for too many >> > speeding infractions.. It can happen.. Welcome to big brother ;o) Hope you >> > enjoy your stay.. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List So don't speed. On 21-Jun-2001 Bodolosky, Darin (MLIM) wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Of course when you are kicking 80mph on the turnpike and your easy pass > tells the satellite that your speed averaged 77 MPH between exit 1 and 2 and > you averaged 82mph between 2 and 3.. and the satellite feeds right into the > state police station, prints and mails you two 2 point 165.00 speeding > tickets, your insurance company doubles your rate because the state police > feed right into the insurance database of bad drivers. You'll really love > technology.. especially if it get's too the point that on your 5th offence > the satellite pings your fuel injection and shuts you down for too many > speeding infractions.. It can happen.. Welcome to big brother ;o) Hope you > enjoy your stay.. > > -Original Message- > From: David Studly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:50 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls > > > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Except when the technology is controlling the port fuel injection on your > all-aluminum 540-inch big block with CNC ported heads. And with some chip > tuning and no greasy hands, you re-program the computer to handle your 300hp > shot of nitrous. And then, using your Autometer data collector, you start > finding out that you're losing time to wheelspin between the 60-foot and > 330-ft lights when the nitrous is really kicking in. Then technology is > cool. > > -Dave > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Josh Campbell >> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:54 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls >> >> >> >> Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> >> >> technology sucks >> >> >> >From: Dan Cobb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Watch out boys and girls >> >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:10:29 -0700 >> > >> > >> >Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >> > >> > >> >Now THAT'S ridiculous! At least their "report" doesn't affect a persons' >> >insurance rates. >> >Dan >> > >> > > >> > > Big Brother is here... >> > > >> >http://netscape.zdnet.com:80/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2778752,00. > html?chkpt= >>zdnn_tp_ >> > - >> >> >> >>- >>To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >>To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
