Re: [Chevelle-list] Column to floor conversion
You don't really need to purchase another steering column. The column shift can be modified wiht a little effort and repaint. Remove the entire shifter column Remove the column shifter bar. Disassemble most of the steering column. Cut out the hump where the shifter bar attaches Patch it with your favorite body patch material (bondo, fiberglass, etc). Sand, smooth, repaint the whole steering column. Re-install. A floor shift column usually runs $100-$150. This might save you some $$$. I've not done it personally, but have heard of others doing it. Maybe someone else on the list will be able to comment also. good luck, Diane Peppin wrote: > I mean, I guess I need a floor shift "column" duhhh > > Well, > Yes, I have the wiring harness still connected to the dash. I'm sure > I have the console wiring harness too. SO, I guess I need a floor shift > console to proceed. Do I need to drill holes in the tunnel, and where > would that be? :-Diane > > ___ > Chevelle-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net -- Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com Team Chevelle member #1778 (Gold), ACES member #1377 Hoosier State Chevelle Assoc (www.IndianaChevelles.com) #6 ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
Re: [Chevelle-list] Column to floor conversion
Diane, To attach the shifter cable to the tranny, you need a cable mount that bolts to the trans pan and the correct trans shift lever for floor shift. You will need to drill a hole in the tunnel to pass the cable through then mount the cable in to the shifter base and attach to the shifter handle. You should have a plate on the cable that covers the hole you drilled in the tunnel. Trooper - Original Message - From: "Diane Peppin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 10:39 AM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Column to floor conversion > Hmm, good idea Larry... I'm confused though, is there another assembly I > need to connect the cable from the shifter to the tranny? :-Diane > > ___ > Chevelle-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net > ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
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Hmm, good idea Larry... I'm confused though, is there another assembly I need to connect the cable from the shifter to the tranny? :-Diane ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
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Re: [Chevelle-list] Column to floor conversion
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Re: [Chevelle-list] Column to floor conversion
Oh I love this:) To unsubscribe from this service you must first purchase a Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit. The unit can be obtained from most hardware stores and dental clinics. Be sure to obtain the proper permits to operate the unit from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Food and Drug Administration in Washington D.C. USA. Be sure to carefully unpack the kit and place each component in its accompanying mesh safety bag. Mount the Pershing DF4 mesinator on top of the perforated Gerring Mach 77 refibulator and attach them using the eight-millimeter torque fork. Be sure that the refibulator is mounted at a 66 degree angle and properly dispersed so that it is flush with the curved section of the Pyrex thistle tube. Place the four sections of the triangular separation gear into the posture cylinder and lock them into place using the band aid adhesive strip. Insert the wiggling pin into the wobbling hole, making sure that it seated correctly. Place the D cell battery and the eleven 9 volt batteries in the power chamber. The device should be calibrated before operation using the optional digital corkscrew accessory pack prior to operation. Insert the digital corkscrew through the electronic combustion service chamber using caution not to touch the reinforced tungsten igniter control module and quickly turn the inverter drive to 28.6 degrees. Turn the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit upside down and hit the bottom plate with a 48-ounce ball-peen hammer while shaking the unit vigorously. Force open the door to the incineration valve compartment and set the pressure gauge to 719 psi. Close the door and seal it shut with duct tape. The unit should now be properly calibrated and ready to use. Before activating the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit, you must first elevate it to a height of 229 feet above sea level to insure that the unit receives the proper oxygen level and barometric pressure. Point the aerial to 17 degrees north by northeast to within the parameters of the Telstar GS-2 weather satellite and apply pressure to the wing shaft on the southern most section of the modular accelerator. Using the special ratchet adapter supplied with the unit, rotate the heater core to the "on" position. The "on" position has been obtained when the green light begins to flash, signifying that the red light is about to go off. Once the red light is off, flip the toggle switch labeled "ON/OFF" to the "ON" position and count to 47 before logging on to the system. Logon using your username and password and wait for the prompt. Once prompted you must check the box with the appropriate action you wish to take and then press the pressure release button and turn off the compressor while turning the hand crank at 231 meters per minute. Next, press control, alt, delete, caps lock, shift, number lock, escape and tab simultaneously. Press enter. You will have one second to complete the procedure. If you fail to respond in the time limit allowed, simply purchase a new Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit and start from the beginning. Please remember that this is the only way we will accept for you to unsubscribe from this service. We have made every attempt to simplify the procedure for your convenience. Failure to comply with the unsubscribe policy will result in immediate termination of your subscription so please follow the above directions closely Regards The Chevelle List ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
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You are better off waiting until you have all the products before you go drilling any holes. Larry (Z) ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
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Trooper, Okay, but I'm pretty sure I need to drill a hole in the tunnel for the cable to the tranny, Anyone know the location for a 70-72, even the measurement for the console mounts could help me determine the location of the cable hole. Any help there? :-Diane > > Diane, You'll need to first install mounts to the tunnel that the console screws into. You can install them with sheetmetal screws but at the factory they are welded and they are more stable and look nicer welded. Then screw the console to these mounts and the mount on the shifter base. I could give you exact measurements for a 69 on the mounts but mine is a 4 speed so I can't tell you were the shifter needs to be mounted exactly. Trooper ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
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Ken, Forrest Bibbee has a console and shifter. At least he did yesterday. Email him at the following address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck, Gene > Hello all, >I am looking for a console and wiring for it for my 70 Chevelle. Anyone > know where I can get one? > thanks, > Ken > ___ > Chevelle-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
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Hello all, I am looking for a console and wiring for it for my 70 Chevelle. Anyone know where I can get one? thanks, Ken ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
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Another question: When converting from column shifter to floor shifter, does one have to worry about the reverse lights? OK mine have never worked since I got the car. It came with a TH350 and column shifter that has been replaced with an aftermarket floor shifter. I have no idea where the original reverse light switch is but assume its in the column. The wiring harness to the rear is original but somewhat butchered up at this point. Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 7:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Column to floor conversion Diane, You didn't mention the console wiring harness, which you will need if you want console lights and the neural safety switch hooked up. Also, do you have the gauges dash wiring harness? If not, you will need some help with the wiring differences. Not a huge problem, you just need to know that they are different and no one that I am aware of has schematics of the gauge wiring. Gene > Sounds like you have what you need. Your only missing a floor shift column > and the floor shift blank to cover up the indicator on the dash. I question > where is your neutral safety switch if you don't change the column right > away. I believe the shift rod still hooks to the column so in key off > position it is locked in park. There is a different lever on the trans for > both the floor shift cable and shift rod to the column, but that's about > it. > - Original Message - > Wrom: NBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDR > To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:03 AM > Subject: [Chevelle-list] Column to floor conversion > > > > My 72 Chevelle Malibu has a column shift, I have the console, and a > > shifter, and the cable for the shifter. I really want to do this > > conversion. I am planning on changing the 350 turbo to a 200R4 maybe > > next year with the economy the way it is. Can anyone give me a steps > > needed to pull this off? I also have the gauges dash I plan to > > install...you gotta love these cars to want to do all this...anyway, > > thanks up front for your ideas. :-Diane > > > > > > > > ___ > > Chevelle-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net > > > ___ > Chevelle-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
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I would also be interested in the measurements for mounting an automatic console mounting bracket to the tunnel. In my case its for a 72 El Camino. Anyone out there have their floor boards exposed and willing to make a measurement? Next best thing would be the measurement to where the console itself is, and then I could derive the bracket position. Tons of thanks to you all. Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Trooper Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 2:46 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Column to floor conversion Diane, You'll need to first install mounts to the tunnel that the console screws into. You can install them with sheetmetal screws but at the factory they are welded and they are more stable and look nicer welded. Then screw the console to these mounts and the mount on the shifter base. I could give you exact measurements for a 69 on the mounts but mine is a 4 speed so I can't tell you were the shifter needs to be mounted exactly. Trooper - Original Message - From: "Diane Peppin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Column to floor conversion > I mean, I guess I need a floor shift "column" duhhh > > Well, > Yes, I have the wiring harness still connected to the dash. I'm sure > I have the console wiring harness too. SO, I guess I need a floor shift > console to proceed. Do I need to drill holes in the tunnel, and where > would that be? :-Diane > > > > > > ___ > Chevelle-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
Re: [Chevelle-list] Column to floor conversion
Diane, You'll need to first install mounts to the tunnel that the console screws into. You can install them with sheetmetal screws but at the factory they are welded and they are more stable and look nicer welded. Then screw the console to these mounts and the mount on the shifter base. I could give you exact measurements for a 69 on the mounts but mine is a 4 speed so I can't tell you were the shifter needs to be mounted exactly. Trooper - Original Message - From: "Diane Peppin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Column to floor conversion > I mean, I guess I need a floor shift "column" duhhh > > Well, > Yes, I have the wiring harness still connected to the dash. I'm sure > I have the console wiring harness too. SO, I guess I need a floor shift > console to proceed. Do I need to drill holes in the tunnel, and where > would that be? :-Diane > > > > > > ___ > Chevelle-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
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I mean, I guess I need a floor shift "column" duhhh Well, Yes, I have the wiring harness still connected to the dash. I'm sure I have the console wiring harness too. SO, I guess I need a floor shift console to proceed. Do I need to drill holes in the tunnel, and where would that be? :-Diane ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
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Well, Yes, I have the wiring harness still connected to the dash. I'm sure I have the console wiring harness too. SO, I guess I need a floor shift console to proceed. Do I need to drill holes in the tunnel, and where would that be? :-Diane ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
Re: [Chevelle-list] Column to floor conversion
Diane, You didn't mention the console wiring harness, which you will need if you want console lights and the neural safety switch hooked up. Also, do you have the gauges dash wiring harness? If not, you will need some help with the wiring differences. Not a huge problem, you just need to know that they are different and no one that I am aware of has schematics of the gauge wiring. Gene > Sounds like you have what you need. Your only missing a floor shift column > and the floor shift blank to cover up the indicator on the dash. I question > where is your neutral safety switch if you don't change the column right > away. I believe the shift rod still hooks to the column so in key off > position it is locked in park. There is a different lever on the trans for > both the floor shift cable and shift rod to the column, but that's about > it. > - Original Message - > Wrom: NBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDR > To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:03 AM > Subject: [Chevelle-list] Column to floor conversion > > > > My 72 Chevelle Malibu has a column shift, I have the console, and a > > shifter, and the cable for the shifter. I really want to do this > > conversion. I am planning on changing the 350 turbo to a 200R4 maybe > > next year with the economy the way it is. Can anyone give me a steps > > needed to pull this off? I also have the gauges dash I plan to > > install...you gotta love these cars to want to do all this...anyway, > > thanks up front for your ideas. :-Diane > > > > > > > > ___ > > Chevelle-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net > > > ___ > Chevelle-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
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Sounds like you have what you need. Your only missing a floor shift column and the floor shift blank to cover up the indicator on the dash. I question where is your neutral safety switch if you don't change the column right away. I believe the shift rod still hooks to the column so in key off position it is locked in park. There is a different lever on the trans for both the floor shift cable and shift rod to the column, but that's about it. - Original Message - From: "Diane Peppin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Column to floor conversion > My 72 Chevelle Malibu has a column shift, I have the console, and a > shifter, and the cable for the shifter. I really want to do this > conversion. I am planning on changing the 350 turbo to a 200R4 maybe > next year with the economy the way it is. Can anyone give me a steps > needed to pull this off? I also have the gauges dash I plan to > install...you gotta love these cars to want to do all this...anyway, > thanks up front for your ideas. :-Diane > > > > ___ > Chevelle-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net