Re: SH RUN reveals encrypted password
Guys, I think we're on the right track now. Of course, you don't have to lower the priv level of the command to 1, instead put it at, say, 14. Then make sure those users you want to have this access are given a privilege level of 14. This can be done either locally or at the TACACS+ server. Locally, assign a user as: username johnchambers password ciscoceo privilege 14 Set the "show running-config" command to be at level 14 like this: privilege exec level 14 show running-config privilege exec level 1 show (I think the second one is necessary, because if you don't use it, then you get as an "added bonus" the line "privilege exec level 14 show", which disables all show commands from any priv level under 14. - Please correct me if I'm wrong) Does anyone know how to get these commands out of your config without reloading? Prepending a "no" just reverts the command back to default, but it still displays in the config. Look in your documentation as to how to do this on your TACACS+ server Also, as a bit of a side note, if you give a user level 15 access, when they log in, they immediately get an enable prompt. Matthew Sypherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCNP+Security CCDP CCSE MCSE CCIE-R/S-Written (June 15-16 RTP) "Kevin Wigle" [EMAIL PROTECTED]@groupstudy.com 01/28/2001 03:42 PM Please respond to "Kevin Wigle" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Tony van Ree" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Gareth Hinton" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: SH RUN reveals encrypted password Then stand corrected.. you must be in the privileged mode to execute "show run". CR357136-Csh run ^ % Invalid input detected at '^' marker. (the caret should be under the r) To get to the privileged mode you must invoke the "enable password" (unless you're using autocommand or tacacs+ that does something automatically for you) Also I guess you could lower the sh run command from priv 15 to priv 1 but I don't think you'd want to do that. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Tony van Ree" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Gareth Hinton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 28 January, 2001 16:11 Subject: Re: SH RUN reveals encrypted password Hi, Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you need the enable password to perform a "show run". If you do then why decrypt it. router#service password encryption encrypts it to a level 7. Teunis, Hobart, Tasmania Australia On Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 09:37:36 AM, Gareth Hinton wrote: Has anybody actually managed to decrypt an enable password yet? I know the level 7 passwords are easily decrypted, but I've not seen the level 5 passwords decrypted yet. I realise, that depending on your organisation, you can never play too safe. I should think if anyone has cracked it, someone in this group will know about it - Anybody? Is it possible to crack it? Gareth ""Hans Stout"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello colleagues, do you know if there is a way to make the line 'enable secret 5 $1$vwIl$YEZxTVGPapUUVCD.c54Ya' invisible when doing a 'sh run' in user mode ? The problem is that I want to allow RO access and also allow to execute the 'sh run' command, but that with a password decryptor, one could eaily decrypt the enable password. Thanks for your help in advance. Regards, Hans _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- www.tasmail.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cat 3524 init setup problem
Adam, Go into config mode to int VLAN1 and enter the "management" command. Matthew Sypherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED]@groupstudy.com 01/18/2001 09:46 AM Please respond to Adam Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: cat 3524 init setup problem Hi, I have a cat 3524 for an initial setup. I gave the vlan1 (the management vlan) an ip address, but when I look at the interface vlan1, the interface is up, protocol is down. I can not go on to access its web config page because I can't get this interface up. Any idea what else I need to do? Thanks. Adam __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Written Beta results -
I received my results yesterday as well. I also missed it by 2 points. (grumble grumble) I actually should feel pretty good about it, because I took it on a whim. I passed the R/S CCIE Written the prior week and decided to "Press my luck" for on the security test without any studying. Unfortunately I got the "Whammy". It was well worth the $50, though. Others have said that the silver lining here is that we can now really focus on the R/S lab. However, as I am starting to work towards security as a specialization for my career, I'm not going to be able to pull myself away. However, being that there is apparently some security showing up in the lab, there is definitely overlap. Does anyone have any idea as to whether that will change when the Security lab comes out? Matthew C. Sypherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCNP+Security CCDP CCSE MCSE CCIE-R/S-Written (Lab set for June 15-16 RTP) Bill Parenteau [EMAIL PROTECTED]@groupstudy.com 01/12/2001 06:00 PM Please respond to Bill Parenteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chuck Larrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nigel Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED], CCIE_Lab Group Study [EMAIL PROTECTED], Cisco Group Study [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: CCIE Written Beta results - I got mine yesterday. I came close, 63%, but I take this as a sign that I should do some more studying. I got a 20% on OS and 40 on App protocols. Bill --- Chuck Larrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got mine today. I never thought I'd be happy about failing a test, but in this case, it is so. One lab is bad enough. My score was 53. Nigel - were you around there? My breakdowns averaged out about what your did. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nigel Taylor Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 3:26 AM To: CCIE_Lab Group Study; Cisco Group Study Cc: Bryant Andrews Subject: CCIE Written Beta results - All, I don't know if anyone else got their Score Report but I received = mines yesterday and I'm still in denial. Yes, denial! When I took the = exam I really felt that the test itself was reasonable and well written. = I must admit that when taking the exam it almost felt like the RS exam = with a bunch of security. In any event I missed the grade. From the = score sheet it does shoe me that I was week in security and Application = protocols. Well here's the breakdown; Security Protocols: 45 (Ouch...!) Operating Systems: 60 Application Protocols: 30 (Ouch...!) General Networking: 75 Security Technologies: 40 (Ouch..!) Security General: 90 Cisco General: 100 (weee heee.!) Cisco Sec. Apps: 50 (Umm..) As I said I surely failed this exam because of my overall weakness in = Security. Oh yes before I forget... the=20 passing mark was tagged at 65% and I only got a 57%. like I said I = thought it was a pretty good test and=20 before receiving this report.. "I thought" I did In say that I'm drawn to remember a funny saying about the man that = "thought"... :- Review over... Nigel.. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off Topic: Ryan says Merry Xmas
Don't tell me The new youngest CCIE, right? Matthew Phil Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED]@groupstudy.com 12/10/2000 09:59 AM Please respond to Phil Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cisco GroupStudy [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Off Topic: Ryan says Merry Xmas Merry Christmas Everybody. Ryan (AGE 5) Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dream lab
Hey everyone, Don't forget the satellite uplinks to test that pesky delay! On a serious note, do many of you have non-Cisco layer 2 or above devices in your labs, other than servers/hosts? I realize this wouldn't help too much with specific Cisco certification, but I imagine would be potentially invaluable for real-world multi-vendor situations. I got my hands on a cheap 3Com LanModem to play with RIP interoperability (doesn't do much else, SFAIK) and I can use it for testing dial-backup. Other than that, I play with Checkpoint FW-1 (primarily NT with a little Solaris added in) but have yet to test with my 2600 CSIS. In due time Matthew Sypherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCNP+Security CCDP CCSE MCSE CCIE-R/S-Written Still waiting to hear back on the CCIE-Security-Written beta. "Bharat Suneja" [EMAIL PROTECTED]@groupstudy.com 12/07/2000 09:14 AM Please respond to "Bharat Suneja" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: dream lab Is there anything like a dream lab ? Maybe it exists in dreams only! I'd want all the routers, switches, hosts (Unix, Mac, NT/2000, Novell, SNA), PIX, access-servers, et al I can get! There's no right answer for a dream lab - it's going to be different things for different people. Check out home lab scenarios on CCPrep.com - excellent resource. Bharat Suneja ""nandit"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 90npol$9ss$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:90npol$9ss$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I was trying to figure out a dream lab setup for covering ccna,np,ie and other cisco certs.could u please add your thopughts on this. Thanks nandit _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Scripts for IOS upgrades
Tammy, Have you considered using CiscoWorks2000 RME software distribution feature? I haven't actually used it myself, but if it works like it looks it should, it might be just what you are looking for. Perhaps someone with experience using this could give a better and more in depth response. As I understand it, you load software images into RME and it evaluates the routers to see if they support it them and then uploads when specified. Of course, scripts are a lot less expensiveAnd it may take more time getting CiscoWorks2000 installed and working exactly the way you want than actually upgrading all of the routers, but hey. If you do come up with scripts for this, I'd be interested in looking at them. - Matthew "Tammy Slater" [EMAIL PROTECTED]@groupstudy.com 11/17/2000 04:00 PM Please respond to "Tammy Slater" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Scripts for IOS upgrades All, We support over 500 components and different models of Cisco hardware. We need to upgrade IOS levels in a fast way. I would imagine using some type of script with checks and balances would do the trick. Has any one used such a creature...? Where could I find a creature like this as fast, as fast can be...? Thanks in advance for your help. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Summarization (Doyle's book)
Daniel, My Doyle book is at home (I know, I should carry it with me at all times), but...I think the answer /23 is correct. If you consider your chart below, the first 7 bits (0001 000) are the same, not just the first 4. Add those 7 to the previous 16 bits from the first two octets and you get 23 bits in the mask. Remember that the summarization is based on the number of matching bits in the different addresses - those bits can be either 1s or 0s. 192.168.16.0/24.0001 192.168.17.0/24.0001 0001 ^^^ Matthew C. Sypherd CCNP+Security CCDP CCSE MCSE CCIE-R/S-Written "Daniel" [EMAIL PROTECTED]@groupstudy.com 11/05/2000 12:18 PM Please respond to "Daniel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Summerization (Doyle's book) I search the archives, looked at the errata for Routing tcp/ip and did not find a correction for the following scenario. Chapt 8 P 373 figure 8.34 Wouldn't the summerization for 192.168.16.0/24.0001 192.168.17.0/24.0001 0001 be 192.168.16.0 /20? The example states 192.168.16.0/23 as the answer Why /23 ? Is this a typo or is there something I am missing? All the other summerization were right on. Thanks, Daniel _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: conf-reg challenge
Groupstudy, I received a few responses to the challenge. Most of you probably thought you knew it and passed it by. Surprise. The answer is D, not A as every person who e-mailed me guessed. I should note that a few people did recognize that there was a trick, but still guessed A. Here's the scoop. conf-reg expects a hex value. In the question below, I assigned a decimal value. 2102=0x836. So, in essence, I actually ran the command: router(config)#config-register 0x836 If you investigate the bit details of the config-register command, you'll find that bits 12 and 11 (counting from 0 from the right) specify the console port speed. Normally, when the config register is set to 0x2102, the port speed is 9600 (view this in a fixed width font, if possible - hopefully the tabs will line up) hex 2 1 0 2 binary0010 0001 0010 | | bits 12 and 11 (counting from 0 from the right) set to 00, which is 9600 bps But, decimal 2102, or hex 0x836, changes the port speed to 4800 hex 0 8 3 6 binary 1000 0011 0110 | | bits 12 and 11 (counting from 0 from the right) set to 01, which is 4800 bps Those two bits have the following values: 9600 0 0 4800 0 1 1200 1 0 2400 1 1 for reference on the config-register command, see http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/l3sw/8540/cnfg_gd/ccfg8540.htm (this link is for the 8540, but is applicable to the standard conf-reg) Let me know if you have any questions Matthew C. Sypherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCNP+Security CCDP CCSE MCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED]@groupstudy.com 11/02/2000 09:58 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: conf-reg challenge Hey, I recently had a learning experience with config-register, so I thought I'd share it as a challenge. (note: this is my question and my answers and I haven't seen them on any tests I've taken, so I'm not violating any copyrights or NDAs) Q - What is the effect of running the following command on a Cisco router? router(config)#config-register 2102 a) It sets the router to its default boot settings b) It sets the router to its default boot settings but ignores the config stored in NVRAM c) It sets the router to boot with the console port set to 2400 bps 7/N/1 d) It sets the router to boot with the console port set to 4800 bps 8/N/1 e) It sets the router to boot with the console port set to 1200 bps 8/N/1 Reply with your answer and the reason for picking your answer. Seasoned Folks: If you know right off, don't answer to the list, make the one's who aren't sure either guess or look it up first. Newbies(of which I was one on this topic until recently): Hint - it's probably not what you think. You are probably going to need a calculator and some paper. Oh, and wish me luck - I'm taking the CCIE R/S written tomorrow. My middle name is Charles ("Chuck"), so hopefully that will help. I've also signed up to take the CCIE Security beta written next Friday (the last day it's available) - perhaps I'm just a masochist. Matthew "Chuck" Sypherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCNP+Security CCDP CCSE MCSE _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE written passed - Must be a Chuck thing!
Chalk up another "Chuck"! * Passed CCIE R/S Written today with an 81%. * Trying for CCIE Security beta Written next friday. (And, yes, I did get 100% on the security part of the R/S exam) Matthew Charles ("Chuck") Sypherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCNP+Security CCDP CCSE MCSE CCIE-R/S-Written _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
conf-reg challenge
Hey, I recently had a learning experience with config-register, so I thought I'd share it as a challenge. (note: this is my question and my answers and I haven't seen them on any tests I've taken, so I'm not violating any copyrights or NDAs) Q - What is the effect of running the following command on a Cisco router? router(config)#config-register 2102 a) It sets the router to its default boot settings b) It sets the router to its default boot settings but ignores the config stored in NVRAM c) It sets the router to boot with the console port set to 2400 bps 7/N/1 d) It sets the router to boot with the console port set to 4800 bps 8/N/1 e) It sets the router to boot with the console port set to 1200 bps 8/N/1 Reply with your answer and the reason for picking your answer. Seasoned Folks: If you know right off, don't answer to the list, make the one's who aren't sure either guess or look it up first. Newbies(of which I was one on this topic until recently): Hint - it's probably not what you think. You are probably going to need a calculator and some paper. Oh, and wish me luck - I'm taking the CCIE R/S written tomorrow. My middle name is Charles ("Chuck"), so hopefully that will help. I've also signed up to take the CCIE Security beta written next Friday (the last day it's available) - perhaps I'm just a masochist. Matthew "Chuck" Sypherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCNP+Security CCDP CCSE MCSE _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Escape sequence
Brad, I believe that you just need the control-shift-6 part of that. This is important if you happen to be telneting/reverse-telnetting through another router to where you are attempting to run the trace. If you use ctrl-shft-6-x, you'll get kicked back to the previous router. For example termservr1 Trying r1 (10.1.1.1)... Open r1trace www.groupstudy.com Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to www.groupstudy.com (208.32.175.78) 1 * * * 2 * * * 3 * * * [ctrl-shft-6] r1 --- just takes you back to the CLI r1trace www.groupstudy.com Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to www.groupstudy.com (208.32.175.78) 1 * * * 2 * * * 3 * * * [ctrl-shft-6-x] termserv--- kicks you back to the term server Hope this helps. At least it'll save time logging back into the router multiple times trying to run multiple traces. Matthew C. Sypherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCNP+Security CCDP CCSE MCSE Brad Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED]@groupstudy.com 10/30/2000 11:41 PM Please respond to Brad Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lists Wizard [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'Cisco group study'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: Escape sequence control-shift-6 then x -b At 03:26 PM 10/29/00 -0700, Lists Wizard wrote: Hello, what is the escape sequence if I want to stop the router from traceing the path to a destination ? I have tried many keyboard sequences but I failed. Thanks Rover Router#trace 10.1.38.227 Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to 10.1.38.227 1 * * * 2 * * * 3 * * * 4 * * * 5 * * * 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Connecting to Console port - recover to factory settings?
Hey everyone, I've been having a problem with a 4000M. I was working on recovering a password and when I rebooted I just got screen garbage (diamonds, squares, squigglies, etc.). Now, while some people may find this more aesthetically pleasing than the Cisco IOS, it's not exactly what I'm looking for. I have a feeling that somehow I inadvertently changed the baud rate during my attempted password recovery. Unfortunately, this lab router was just write erased, so I can't connect to any network interfaces. So, I pose these three questions: 1) Is there any mildly easy way to reset a 4000M back to factory state (9600 8N1 or 8N2 - depending on documentation) 2) Am I going to have to sit and try all the possible terminalspeed/databits/parity/stopbits combos until I stumble upon it? 3) Does anyone have another suggestion? Thanks, Matthew Sypherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCNP+Security CCDP CCSE MCSE Reinhold Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED]@groupstudy.com 10/28/2000 12:24 PM Please respond to Reinhold Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: Connecting to Console port (How to issue a BREAK with mint hyperterminal) Oh dear, not the hyperterminal thread again, this was my first thought as i have read the original question. I agree, there are many execellent terminal emulators out there. But just imagine that you go to a customer and have to use one of their computers to rescue a router. Wanna ask the customer to download xxx-term that you can work with ? Chances are very good that hyperterminal is on the customers computer, so we should know how to use it ... To issue a break signal with genuine Hyperterminal you can use this method: Connect as usual to the router and set a very low baudrate in hyperterm. I use 110 as example. Now just press a few different keys repeatedly. Thies issued the break signal. Now switch back to 9600 bits per second and continue the usual procedure. hth Reinhold -- Reinhold Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCNP/SunCSA/HP Certified Consultant for Network Management TechRec wrote: Hi I've heard that HyperTerminal is not good for connecting to the console port on Cisco routers. If this is the case, can anyone recommend an alternative please. Thanks _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]