beginner bgp book review [7:50463]
I made a post asking advice for a beginners book to bgp. BGP4: Interdomain Routing in the Internet, by John W. Stewart III was recommended. I just finished reading it and I must say it was 1000 times better than the entire BGP sections of the Sybex lammle CCNP routing book (piece of trash) and the Cisco Press CCNP routing books. I recommend anyone wanting to learn BGP or studying CCNP routing to read this before the CCNP books. Thanks for putting on this book guys. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=50463&t=50463 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991]
Elijah, I used the 1st edition book and found good with very little amt of errors. The only problem with the book is that it lacked extensive multi protocol labs, which I heard got added in the new 2nd ed. It is no doubt a comprehensive book though I do not suggest this as the best for the CCIE lab goers but a bible for the CCNP aspirants. CCIE lab goers really need a tasty, delicious and immense one to read! cheers! suresh CNE,MCSE+I,CLS,SCSA,CCNA,CCNP,MCNS,CCIE(Write) http://www.sureshhomepage.com >From: "Elijah Savage" >Reply-To: "Elijah Savage" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991] >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:02:22 -0500 > >Does anyone have any comments on this book not many reviews on Amazon. A >guy at work said this thing was so full of mistakes that he got so angry >and took it out to the gun range and filled it full of 44magnum holes >and has it displayed on his desk now, I just can't take his word for it >and the few reviews on Amazon were good reviews. > >Cisco CCIE >All In One Lab Lab Study Guide >ISBN 0-07-212760-0 >By Stephen Hutnik & Micheal Satterlee _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=30012&t=28991 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991]
It is a very good introductory book. I recommend using that book and implement those labs on smaller rack (4-5 routers). Next step would be to do more advanced labs like, IPExpert or Ccbootcamp. -Keyur Shah- CCIE# 4799 (Security; Routing and Switching) css1,ccna,ccda,scsa,scna,mct,mcse,mcp+i,mcp,cni,mcne,cne,cna Hello Computers "Say Hello to Your Future!" http://www.hellocomputers.com Toll-Free: 1.877.794.3556 Fremont: 510.795.6815 Santa Clara: 408.496.0801 Europe: +(44)20 7900 3011 Fax: 510.291.2250 -Original Message- From: Elijah Savage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 3:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991] Does anyone have any comments on this book not many reviews on Amazon. A guy at work said this thing was so full of mistakes that he got so angry and took it out to the gun range and filled it full of 44magnum holes and has it displayed on his desk now, I just can't take his word for it and the few reviews on Amazon were good reviews. Cisco CCIE All In One Lab Lab Study Guide ISBN 0-07-212760-0 By Stephen Hutnik & Micheal Satterlee Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=29395&t=28991 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991]
I have used: A) 'All-in-One' first edition and a look at the 2nd edition of it. B) 'CCIE Lab Practice kit' ISBN 0-07-212766-X also by Hutnik C) 'IPeXpert Lab workbook' A) All-in-one seems to be the standard starting book and covers the technologies. The labs are trivial and illustrate individual points requiring approx. 3 - 4 routers but is a good starting point. Get 2nd edition as it is improved and has additions on VoIP, DLSW, QoS, & MPLS. B) 'Lab Practice Kit' 1) As has been pointed out there are a number of mistakes, some silly ones which begs the question was it proof read properly. However, if you are any way close to taking the lab then these should be trivial for you to spot. 2) The 6 scenarios are a good half way house between the 'labettes' in All-in-One covering a single point and the full lab simulations in IPeXpert. The scenarios are done on a topic by topic basis and as such are quite good but be aware that you should be thinking of putting aspects of all 6 topics into a single lab to get to the level of interaction and complexity needed in preparation for the real lab. 3) Unlike IPeXpert which is based on a single physical topology, each lab is different so when you want to try another lab you have to shuffle the interface modules around and swap cables over. Personally I prefer to build a single physical topology and work with it for a good while, particularly now that the cabling aspects are no longer part of the lab exam. 4) You need 7 or 8 routers to complete the labs plus ISDN switch plus CAT. It is helpful if one of the routers is a terminal server. 5) The book is $60 compared with $450 for IPeXpert and $650 for CCBOOTCAMP. You get what you pay for. In my opinion worth the $60 but not to be compared with the full lab work books. C) IPeXpert workbook. I have the original version 1.0A to which Wayne has sent me the 1.1 and version 2.0 updates. There are some mistakes particularly in v1.0 but Wayne seems to correct them as they are discovered. This is divided into 2 sections: the first covers the technologies, the second contains 5 full lab simulations. (There is a sixth 1 day lab included in the version 2.0 material). As I have already said there is a single physical topology so you can quickly change from one lab scenario to the next. 1) This is not light on equipment! It has fairly extensive coverage including VoIP, DLSW, & ATM. There are 9 routers to configure in the lab (one of which is the Frame Relay switch R3 and two of which are dual LAN Token Ring / Ethernet) and you also require 3 additional backbone routers, a terminal server, a CAT and a Basic Rate ISDN switch/simulator. If you are careful in your choice of routers you can reduce this by doubling up the function of R3 with one of the backbone routers and the terminal server with the function of another backbone router. But that is still 11 routers! 2) The breadth and depth of coverage of topics seems to be adequate. The simulated labs seem to have slightly more fiddly bits and gotchas than the real thing. 3) The main pain IMHO is that all the 'Show' outputs and example solutions are only on the CD so although the workbook itself is quite compact you end up with a couple of reams of paper to print off from the CD. 4) The diagrams are in colour which helps. 5) Watch out solutions are all given using 12.0 features! Some of which also have other solutions that could be run on 11.2 or even 11.3. This also feeds into point 1 - the equipment requirements are not light! You may need to upgrade the Flash & DRAM on all 11 routers to run 12.0 Enterprise Plus IOS! 6) The 1 day lab is divided into 5 parts: the morning, the afternoon, moderators comments (I found this helpful to review what was wanted), the 'show' o/p, and the example solution. 7) IPeXpert workbook labs are no where near as well represented on GroupStudy as are the CCBootcamp ones. 8) The IPeXpert labs are reputed to be more up to date than the CCBootcamp ones though not having seen the later I am not in a position to comment either way. 9) Wayne is fairly responsive by email to comments and questions. On the whole I am enjoying working through the scenarios in all 3 resources and feel that they complement each other rather than compete. Peter In article , Elijah Savage writes >Does anyone have any comments on this book not many reviews on Amazon. A >guy at work said this thing was so full of mistakes that he got so angry >and took it out to the gun range and filled it full of 44magnum holes >and has it displayed on his desk now, I just can't take his word for it >and the few reviews on Amazon were good reviews. > >Cisco CCIE >All In One Lab Lab Study Guide >ISBN 0-07-212760-0 >By Stephen Hutnik & Micheal Satterlee >html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Peter Whittle Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=29082&t=28991 ---
RE: CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991]
Well, I am using the latest edition and its not bad. Agreed, that there are couple of mistakes, but they are visible and silly. Its a good place to start (but not stop), after finishing every lab in it, one gets ready to take the more challenging ones from CCBOOTCAMP or IPEXPERT (certification zone). I havent seen these 2 but I have read some very good reviews about both, and would most likely end up buying both. Nick Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=29004&t=28991 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991]
I thought it was OK, but not in depth enough. It covered a pretty wide range of topics, so most of the labs seem to only scratch the surface. Not sure about the mistakes part. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=28992&t=28991 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991]
Does anyone have any comments on this book not many reviews on Amazon. A guy at work said this thing was so full of mistakes that he got so angry and took it out to the gun range and filled it full of 44magnum holes and has it displayed on his desk now, I just can't take his word for it and the few reviews on Amazon were good reviews. Cisco CCIE All In One Lab Lab Study Guide ISBN 0-07-212760-0 By Stephen Hutnik & Micheal Satterlee Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=28991&t=28991 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "WAN Survival Guide" book review
I wanted to thank both Annlee and Priscilla for their reviews. While I appreciate the positivism in both books, these reviewers are the sort of people that keep me honest. They also tolerate my sense of humor -- I write books the same way I make odd posts, and I think Monty Python is just as important in both cases. I haven't forgotten, however, Schwarzenegger's Laws of Networking, or the crazy commander who wanted his crew to sweep up the one bits. It's worth clarifying a bit why I wrote this book, and its relationship to the new book project I have underway. People ask me sometimes how books get created, and maybe this will give some insight. With 20/20 hindsight, my editor and I realized that the title of this book may be slightly misleading. Oh, it's definitely about WANs, but it's about a specific aspect of WANs, which complements the work in the new book. The current "WAN Survival Guide" is a guide principally for the enterprise designer that wants to choose among WAN technology options and complementary technologies. Its secondary audience will be found in carriers and ISPs. By complementary technologies, I refer to such things as the roles of firewalls, load balancers, fault-tolerant servers, etc., in obtaining the desired service from the overall WAN-based applications. I've had some very real customers ask me to do very silly things because they lost sight of the Big WAN Picture: there is a site, at a location I dare not name, which has diverse SONET physical connectivity in the local loop, BGP connectivity with two independent ISPs, and a single application server. You will be comforted to know that the server has a backup tape drive--but there was no machine onto which the tape could be restored. So perhaps the WAN Survival Book could have been titled something like "defining your SLA requirements and selecting ways, network- and non-network, to get them carried out." My new book with Wiley, which should be finished late this year, is tentatively titled "Building Service Provider Networks." In many respects, it is the mirror image of the WAN Survival Book, because it focuses first on the provider and secondly on the subscriber. Its basic premise is how the provider offers what services (and SLAs) to offer, and how to build the internal network that can deliver them. Lots of people here have given me ideas for case studies that will be in this new book. It will have few or no specific router configuration examples (although that might be available as an appendix, CD-ROM, etc.). Its focus is deciding what you want your BGP and IGP routers to do, rather than how to configure them. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"WAN Survival Guide" book review
I just finished Howard Berkowitz's new book, "WAN Survival Guide: Strategies for VPNs and Multiservice Networks," and found it full of wisdom and interesting analogies. Howard has a unique ability to share his wisdom and experience in a funny and memorable way so that the reader learns new information, but more importantly gains network design skills. This book is not YAWB (Yet Another WAN Book). As any WAN engineer can tell you, the most important challenges require a broader understanding. Designing a reliable WAN requires an understanding of fault-tolerance options, QoS, and security. This book covers those topics, along with load distribution, MPLS, NAT, tunneling, and "virtualization." The Layer-7 virtualization section provides useful tips for understanding Web caches, application-specific caches, proxies, and stateful packet screening. "WAN Survival Guide" is part of the Networking Council Series from Wiley Computer Publishing and it meets the goals of that series well. The Networking Council, which includes luminaries such as Vint Cerf and Scott Bradner, produces books that offer real-world guidance for experienced network engineers. These books don't reiterate the technical details that you can get from RFCs, vendor white papers, or reference books. Instead they present new ways of thinking about options, so that an engineer can compare and contrast technologies using business practices that the author has found useful. I recommend this book, both because it is enjoyable to read, (especially the Schwarzenegger laws of networking), and because it is practical and unique. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID help/Sybex Book Review
While the CID test is challenging, it is easily passed if the complete and well presented material is available to learn from. I noticed that Boson responded quickly by revising their tests. Perhaps Sybex will quickly respond with additions and corrections that can be downloaded. In a rapidly changing environment like IT/IS it would seem best to have the ability to be adaptive and informative. Robert's response to my message indicated that I was making a personal critique rather than a review of the book. I am sorry if my communication gives this impression. Again, my reason for advising about the book is to help others in this forum who like me are here to learn from mistakes, share experiences and then build upon them. While this forum isn't perfect, it does an excellent job of convenient cooperative learning. My remarks were not scathing, just factual. As to Robert's request to give a more detailed critique of the book, I am not completely familiar with the Cisco's Non-Disclosure Agreement but would assume that I/we would be violation of the agreement to do a question-by-question comparison of the exam to the material of the book in a public or private forum. Rather, I suggest that Robert re-take the 640-025 exam and then respond with the additions and corrections to the book that could be easily obtained. Outside of that, I am available on a fee basis. ;-) I further suggest to Robert/Sybex that the phrase on outside cover and on page xxix "Everything You Need to Know to Pass the Cisco Internetwork Design Exam" be removed. Considering Robert's qualifying remarks to me, probably supports the need to do this. This was not my experience and evidently not so for others as well. I did find the book easy to read but, lacked the necessary content to pass the 640-025 exam which has been my experience with Sybex books written for Cisco exams. On the hand, I have had positive experiences using Sybex books while pursing my CNE and MSCE certifications. The Sybex book for the Microsoft Exchange 5.5 exam was so well written that I was able to read it in a week and then pass the exam without any other material. Happy Holidays. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .net... > I echo John's comments. While I didn't have the > ciscopress book, I did have the official course > materials from the CID class I took in 98. However, I > took the exam in September 00 so I bought the Sybex book > for review. While it did discuss X.25, SNA, & the > StrataCom Line, the exam asked questions that were > simply not in the text. Boson was a little more in > depth and the course material provided a little more > information for me. But again, there were a few > questions that were simply not covered in the three > items I used to prepare myself for the exam. Still > passed with a slightly lower score than I was achieving > on the other Cisco exams. > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > John Huston > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 11:48 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: CID help/Sybex Book Review > > > > > > Caveat Emptor. Quick and dirty review after taking > the test. > > > > With all due respect to the author(s), I do not > recommend the > > Sybex book > > mentioned below for use to study the 640-025 test. > > > > The book is deficient in the areas of X.25, SNA, > Campus Lan Design, > > Desktop Protocol Design, Wan Design and especially > security. I do > > recommend the Cisco Press book because all of the > areas that > > I was tested > > over are adequately covered and in greater detail. > This is > > the second Sybex > > book that I have purchased that is inadequate. I > found Sybex > > is good for > > Microsoft and Novell but so far it is a batting a zero > for Cisco. > > > > Additionally, the Boson tests lack in the correct > content. > > > > Recommendation. Unless you must pass the 640-025 test > soon, > > I would wait > > until the self study material catches up with the new > CID > > test. Until then > > make sure that you buy the Cisco Press book *Cisco > > Internetwork Design* by > > Matthew Birkner and make you own study questions via > the program at > > www.openwindow.com. The attached links will help you > with > > your studies over > > SNA. There are probably more and better links but > these are > > the ones that I > > have found so far. > > > > Good Luck, > > > > John Huston > > A+ N+ CNE, MCSE, CCDA, CCNP > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > "
RE: CID help/Sybex Book Review
I echo John's comments. While I didn't have the ciscopress book, I did have the official course materials from the CID class I took in 98. However, I took the exam in September 00 so I bought the Sybex book for review. While it did discuss X.25, SNA, & the StrataCom Line, the exam asked questions that were simply not in the text. Boson was a little more in depth and the course material provided a little more information for me. But again, there were a few questions that were simply not covered in the three items I used to prepare myself for the exam. Still passed with a slightly lower score than I was achieving on the other Cisco exams. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > John Huston > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 11:48 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: CID help/Sybex Book Review > > > Caveat Emptor. Quick and dirty review after taking the test. > > With all due respect to the author(s), I do not recommend the > Sybex book > mentioned below for use to study the 640-025 test. > > The book is deficient in the areas of X.25, SNA, Campus Lan Design, > Desktop Protocol Design, Wan Design and especially security. I do > recommend the Cisco Press book because all of the areas that > I was tested > over are adequately covered and in greater detail. This is > the second Sybex > book that I have purchased that is inadequate. I found Sybex > is good for > Microsoft and Novell but so far it is a batting a zero for Cisco. > > Additionally, the Boson tests lack in the correct content. > > Recommendation. Unless you must pass the 640-025 test soon, > I would wait > until the self study material catches up with the new CID > test. Until then > make sure that you buy the Cisco Press book *Cisco > Internetwork Design* by > Matthew Birkner and make you own study questions via the program at > www.openwindow.com. The attached links will help you with > your studies over > SNA. There are probably more and better links but these are > the ones that I > have found so far. > > Good Luck, > > John Huston > A+ N+ CNE, MCSE, CCDA, CCNP > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "Robert Padjen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Strongly suggest the Sybex CID text, but I'm slightly > > biased and recommend a recount! ;) Seriously, it > > covers the material well and I've not received any > > significant negatives, other than a desire that I had > > put more mainframe and x.25 into the text. All of the > > material needed for the exam is present on these > > topics, and I opted to include DSL and cable modems, > > along with other newer technologies, as opposed to > > rehashing older ones. > > > > Good luck. > > > > --- Jeff McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sorry to reask this I know Ive seen it somewhere > > > > > > What would you say is the best study book for DPs > > > CID test? I usually use > > > examcram and boson to prepare after I have studied > > > other > > > materials...something comperable to the examcram in > > > terms of concise prep > > > would be what Im looking for. Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > = > > Robert Padjen > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > > http://calendar.yahoo.com/ > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID help/Sybex Book Review
Caveat Emptor. Quick and dirty review after taking the test. With all due respect to the author(s), I do not recommend the Sybex book mentioned below for use to study the 640-025 test. The book is deficient in the areas of X.25, SNA, Campus Lan Design, Desktop Protocol Design, Wan Design and especially security. I do recommend the Cisco Press book because all of the areas that I was tested over are adequately covered and in greater detail. This is the second Sybex book that I have purchased that is inadequate. I found Sybex is good for Microsoft and Novell but so far it is a batting a zero for Cisco. Additionally, the Boson tests lack in the correct content. Recommendation. Unless you must pass the 640-025 test soon, I would wait until the self study material catches up with the new CID test. Until then make sure that you buy the Cisco Press book *Cisco Internetwork Design* by Matthew Birkner and make you own study questions via the program at www.openwindow.com. The attached links will help you with your studies over SNA. There are probably more and better links but these are the ones that I have found so far. Good Luck, John Huston A+ N+ CNE, MCSE, CCDA, CCNP [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Robert Padjen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Strongly suggest the Sybex CID text, but I'm slightly > biased and recommend a recount! ;) Seriously, it > covers the material well and I've not received any > significant negatives, other than a desire that I had > put more mainframe and x.25 into the text. All of the > material needed for the exam is present on these > topics, and I opted to include DSL and cable modems, > along with other newer technologies, as opposed to > rehashing older ones. > > Good luck. > > --- Jeff McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry to reask this I know Ive seen it somewhere > > > > What would you say is the best study book for DPs > > CID test? I usually use > > examcram and boson to prepare after I have studied > > other > > materials...something comperable to the examcram in > > terms of concise prep > > would be what Im looking for. Any suggestions? > > > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > = > Robert Padjen > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > http://calendar.yahoo.com/ > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > begin 666 IBM Networking.url M6T1%1D%53%1=#0I"05-%55),/6AT=' Z+R]W=W"YH=&T-"EM);G1E"YH=&T-"DUO9&EF:65D/3(P139$0T0S,3(V-4,P,#%%1 T*26-O;D9I M;&4]:'1T<#HO+W=W=RYC:7-C;RYC;VTO9F%V:6-O;BYI8V\-"DEC;VY);F1E %>#TQ#0H` ` end begin 666 Appendix D- SNA Host Configuration for SDLC Networks.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO#TQ#0H` ` end begin 666 IBM Network Management.url M6T1%1D%53%1=#0I"05-%55),/6AT=' Z+R]W=W
RE: Best Lab prep books? - book review
This seems as good a place as any to throw in this book review I'm currently reading Advanced IP Routing in Cisco Networks by Terry Slattery and Bill Burton ( McGraw Hill ISBN 0-07-058144-4 ) Very good book, particularly when you approach it with the understanding that: 1) this is not a substitute for Doyle, Halabi, or any number of other fine books. this book assumes certain fundamental understanding. It does not go into the depth that Doyle does. Yes there are some things that are explained a bit differently, and perhaps a bit more clearly. There are a lot of things that will make no sense if you don't already have some understanding of routing and particularly Cisco routing 2) there are LOTS of lab / study exercises. What makes this book particularly useful is that there are lots of configuration examples, numbered line by line, with the text referring to particular lines to emphasize or clarify points. 3) Many of the exercises can be done with only three routers 4) The chapter on redistribution is particularly useful in terms of configurations and show command outputs. All of the examples are based on a three router pod ( except for the last two- eigrp-ospf and complex, which is rip2, eigrp, and ospf. Both these are 6 router pods ) I have not finished the book yet. What remains for me to read are chapters on NAT, static connectivity to the internet, BGP, and troubleshooting. But from what I have read so far, I am looking forward to some good and useful material in an easy to read format with lots of examples from show and debug outputs. I think that this book is well worth adding to one's study materials, particularly for Lab preparation. Also, I remind everyone, pick up a copy of my assembled tips for Lab preparation as provided by three different CCIE's who have been regular participants here at groupstudy, and who passed the Lab on their first try. www.chuck.to/CCIEAdvice.txt file name is case sensitive. Web site is still feeble but getting there. HTH Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Lodwick Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 4:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Best Lab prep books? Group, I know this question has been asked quite a few times but I couldn't find any particularly on the lab study guides from the archives lately, only the ones on great study material in general for the CCIE like Halabi's BGP book and Radia Perlmans Interconnections. I am looking for input on which ones people prefer for the lab preparation like the Giles lab study guide or Caslows or if there is another one better. I know I remember a while ago reading other listings and I think they were saying Caslows book was good, but at the time I wasn't even thinking about the CCIE at all and didn't pay enough attention. Thanks in advance guys! >>>Brian _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Book Review - CCIE Exam Cram
On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Chuck Larrieu wrote: > Quick and dirty book review. > > CCIE Routing and Switching Exam Cram, by Tom Thomas and Henry Benjamin > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1576104338/qid=972768223/sr=1-3/104-3 > 810111-6781503 > > I truly wanted to hate this book. The very title Exam Cram rubs me the wrong > way for some reason. But my Design Engineer, the woman who reviews my work > and provides me with plenty of good advice in my job, had good things to > say, so I bought it. I bought this too. I also normally despise exam cram. But their isn't enough CCIE prep books, and it looked like it had alot of nice tableized information.which it does. > > And I have to say, this one turned out to be a pleasant surprise. > > The chapters on bridging and switching, networking theory, TCP/IP > networking, and Cisco device operations are excellent. The coverage of RSRP, > DLSw+, and RIF calculation, are excellent. > > I was disappointed in the Routing chapter. With the exception of OSPF ( I > wonder why? ) the routing protocols were not very well covered. Doyle is a > far better source for routing protocol behavior. nod I found the BGP stuff real weak as well...even for just "review" material. I personally think the book has alot of errors. It went to press to fast. I can't say I was impressed by the OSPF though. Does this statement impress you: Ch.6,p208 "OSPF type 1 routes are always preferred over type 2 routes for the same dstination, because the cost will always be lower." Ch.5 p162 A section titled "Transport Control Protocol (TCP)"other places in the book call it "Transmission Control Protocol"...it just flip flops back and forth. I think the RIF stuff had some errors..I am just scanning the book and trying to remember. The BGP routing decision isn't exactly complete or accurate. p297 shows a config for tacacs yet is setting the "radius-server host" instead of "tacacs-server host" > > Definitely one to add to one's study repertoire, particularly as a review in > those last days prior to actually taking the test. In fact, I became I wish they had an eratta. And if they do, I wish they would make it easier to locate. > absolutely positive I would pass after racking up the points on the practice > test at the back of the book. Furthermore, now that I have seen the actual > written, I can say that in terms of content and style, the Exam Cram > practice test is most realistic I have seen. > > Will this book alone prepare you to pass? No way! Is it a good source of > information that appears on the exam but is difficult to find elsewhere? You > bet! > > I recommend that one invest in the CCIE Exam Cram book as early as one can > in one's certification career. There is a lot of good stuff there, and what > you don't understand early in your career you will most definitely grow into > as you progress. I agree its good to get, but I am disappointed because they had alot of good visuals and ideas yet the delivery was a little weak. I know it is very hard to write and edit a good book, but I wish these companies would get copies to several people to proof read before going to print (or more / better people). Brian > > Chuck > -- > I am Locutus, a CCIE Lab Proctor. Xx_Brain_dumps_xX are futile. Your life as > it has been is over ( if you hope to pass ) From this time forward, you will > study US! > ( apologies to the folks at Star Trek TNG ) > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Book Review - CCIE Exam Cram
Quick and dirty book review. CCIE Routing and Switching Exam Cram, by Tom Thomas and Henry Benjamin http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1576104338/qid=972768223/sr=1-3/104-3 810111-6781503 I truly wanted to hate this book. The very title Exam Cram rubs me the wrong way for some reason. But my Design Engineer, the woman who reviews my work and provides me with plenty of good advice in my job, had good things to say, so I bought it. And I have to say, this one turned out to be a pleasant surprise. The chapters on bridging and switching, networking theory, TCP/IP networking, and Cisco device operations are excellent. The coverage of RSRP, DLSw+, and RIF calculation, are excellent. I was disappointed in the Routing chapter. With the exception of OSPF ( I wonder why? ) the routing protocols were not very well covered. Doyle is a far better source for routing protocol behavior. Definitely one to add to one's study repertoire, particularly as a review in those last days prior to actually taking the test. In fact, I became absolutely positive I would pass after racking up the points on the practice test at the back of the book. Furthermore, now that I have seen the actual written, I can say that in terms of content and style, the Exam Cram practice test is most realistic I have seen. Will this book alone prepare you to pass? No way! Is it a good source of information that appears on the exam but is difficult to find elsewhere? You bet! I recommend that one invest in the CCIE Exam Cram book as early as one can in one's certification career. There is a lot of good stuff there, and what you don't understand early in your career you will most definitely grow into as you progress. Chuck -- I am Locutus, a CCIE Lab Proctor. Xx_Brain_dumps_xX are futile. Your life as it has been is over ( if you hope to pass ) From this time forward, you will study US! ( apologies to the folks at Star Trek TNG ) _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Continuing on Book review: BSCN Thomas II and company.
Well, I do not know if you guys read my first comments on the books but I was not too thrilled about these first few chapters. Chapt 2 and 3 are not very strong on presentation and content. Check archives for earlier comments To add to comments about chapt 3: There is a Command review on IGRP on page 80 which is good but somewhat not very well explained with the context of the chapter Left me perplexed anyway! Chapter 4 is a IPv4 review: subnetting, CIDR, ip helper address, ip unnumbered etc This chapter is well presented, so worth reading, but what I don't really understand is why the authors assume that you know what the exact syntax of a command "replacements" are? Let me explain with an example: Routerc(config)# ip unnumbered Seems pretty straight forward. But what I like is that it should be reinforced with perhaps a diagram with proper interface naming and complete with a concrete example. I call it a sample configuration!!! Chapt 5 and 6: Very good intro to OSPF follow by very good descriptions of output commands. Now we are talking Mr. Thomas. Of course I have to comment on the commands that have the "syntax description" only rather than a real sample configuration. These are STUDY GUIDES. I am learning the stuff so please do not "assume" that I know it because I sure don't. I expected a list of commands as per page 80 at end of chapter 3, but NO. What happen to standard writing between chapters? Doesn't this make it a better flow and answers readers expectation? Any comments are welcome. (not too much flaming, please) Daniel _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
I'm a little past page 200, and I am not impressed either; however, I am learning. There are many typos (Especially with OSPF constantly written as OSFP.) What really bothers me the most is how the authors represent the IOS commands, they do not stick to the same method of showing them! Sometimes they will bold things, sometimes not. It seems to be very hard to tell what is the actual word you need to type and when you're supposed to type something in it's place. A lot of that bugs me, but it will probably also help me learn. Because of the author's errors, I will have to look up some of the commands in other places, which will help me remember (Even though it is very annoying!) Back to the point: Yes, the book has lots of problems, and I think they should give us a free second edition for putting up with it! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). ISBN: 0-07-212477 So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" with little or no explanation. Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors Typo's: too many to mention Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. Daniel _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Sorry I forgot the -6 at the end of the isbn #. It is the new book BSCN book by Thomas M.Thomas II and company. So to be clear the isbn is 0-07-212477-6 I have stopped reading it at page 120 yesterday. I was a little (ok, very) frustrated about the way it is written. There are a few mistakes: wrong figures to example (Chapt 4), typos, wrong answer at end of chapter 2 and material not covered adequatly. I want to be fair to Mr. Thomas so I will continue to review the book as I go along. I would sure appreciate some feedback from anybody including Mr. Thomas. I will go to his site and comment there also at the end of my reading. I understand that there are always typos, and such in books, being an ex instructor, but there is a level of expectation and a serious amount of that I spend in technical/study material and I at least expect my $ worth. So far I am not a happy customer! After, I am done the reading we'll see. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ehab Mohamad Abdullah Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:06 PM To: 'Daniel Boutet'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) Hi, There is no such a book with this ISBN 0-07-212477, from where you have ordered this book? is it the cisco offiicial book? Thank you Daniel. Ehab Abdllah -Original Message- From: Daniel Boutet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). ISBN: 0-07-212477 So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" with little or no explanation. Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors Typo's: too many to mention Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. Daniel _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Hi, There is no such a book with this ISBN 0-07-212477, from where you have ordered this book? is it the cisco offiicial book? Thank you Daniel. Ehab Abdllah -Original Message- From: Daniel Boutet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). ISBN: 0-07-212477 So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" with little or no explanation. Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors Typo's: too many to mention Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. Daniel _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Thanks for the feedback. But I was referring to the BCMSN book. I guess it was my fault, I should've been more specific. ""Daniel Boutet1"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Just started reading the book. (100 pages read for the first time) > This comment is only on a first look at the book. If you are reading the > book you will find the mistakes > pretty easily. > > If you read below I stated a few places where a few errors where. > > Add on to this: > > Chapt 4 page 96 figure 4.1 Totally irrelevant. There is also another figure > 4-1 on Page 100 > Usually there should only be one figure 4-1 > > Back to reading! Feedback from anyone who is or has read the book is > welcome. > Did anyone actually only read this book to pass the BSCN? > I know it states on the cover "Book Companion" > which probably means "buy another book instead" or "companion is what you > really should have instead of this book" > > Just a little frustrated, sorry to the list.. > > Daniel > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Marco Rodrigues > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:22 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > Do you know if there an errata for that book? I looked at the ciscopress > webpage didn't see one for that book. Or maybe point out some of the > mistakes? > > Thanks! > > :) > ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson... > > Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with > > mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because > the > > publication date was pushed back. I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this > > time. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Daniel Boutet > > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM > > Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > > > > This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN > one > > was almost a carbon copy of the > > Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good. > > I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at > it > > in depth since I am keeping it for my > > last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some > comments > > on it. > > Did you read the BSCN book Bradley? > > > > ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson... > > > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books. I'm > > > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Daniel Boutet > > > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM > > > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > > > > > > > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. > > > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. > > > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). > > > ISBN: 0-07-212477 > > > > > > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just > "thrown" > > > with little or no explanation. > > > > > > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors > > > Typo's: too many to mention > > > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal > opinion) > > > > > > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. > > > > > > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Just started reading the book. (100 pages read for the first time) This comment is only on a first look at the book. If you are reading the book you will find the mistakes pretty easily. If you read below I stated a few places where a few errors where. Add on to this: Chapt 4 page 96 figure 4.1 Totally irrelevant. There is also another figure 4-1 on Page 100 Usually there should only be one figure 4-1 Back to reading! Feedback from anyone who is or has read the book is welcome. Did anyone actually only read this book to pass the BSCN? I know it states on the cover "Book Companion" which probably means "buy another book instead" or "companion is what you really should have instead of this book" Just a little frustrated, sorry to the list.. Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marco Rodrigues Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) Do you know if there an errata for that book? I looked at the ciscopress webpage didn't see one for that book. Or maybe point out some of the mistakes? Thanks! :) ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson... > Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with > mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because the > publication date was pushed back. I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this > time. > > > - Original Message - > From: Daniel Boutet > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN one > was almost a carbon copy of the > Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good. > I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at it > in depth since I am keeping it for my > last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some comments > on it. > Did you read the BSCN book Bradley? > > ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson... > > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books. I'm > > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Daniel Boutet > > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM > > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > > > > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. > > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. > > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). > > ISBN: 0-07-212477 > > > > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" > > with little or no explanation. > > > > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors > > Typo's: too many to mention > > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) > > > > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. > > > > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. > > > > Daniel > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Do you know if there an errata for that book? I looked at the ciscopress webpage didn't see one for that book. Or maybe point out some of the mistakes? Thanks! :) ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson... > Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with > mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because the > publication date was pushed back. I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this > time. > > > - Original Message - > From: Daniel Boutet > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN one > was almost a carbon copy of the > Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good. > I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at it > in depth since I am keeping it for my > last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some comments > on it. > Did you read the BSCN book Bradley? > > ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson... > > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books. I'm > > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Daniel Boutet > > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM > > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > > > > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. > > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. > > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). > > ISBN: 0-07-212477 > > > > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" > > with little or no explanation. > > > > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors > > Typo's: too many to mention > > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) > > > > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. > > > > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. > > > > Daniel > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Let's hope that the book gets better as I read on. Maybe other reader will comment on it. I have other book to accompany this one but I wanted one that contains all the study material for the exam. Cisco Router Internetworking 0-07135627-4 Caslow's Bible (Bridges...for CCIE) Network Design and Case Studies (second ed.) Giles' All in one Study Guide I plan to buy Doyle's TCP/IP bible and probably Stevens TCP/IP Illustrated. But for now I will read Thomas II book Daniel ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson... > Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with > mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because the > publication date was pushed back. I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this > time. > > > - Original Message - > From: Daniel Boutet > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN one > was almost a carbon copy of the > Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good. > I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at it > in depth since I am keeping it for my > last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some comments > on it. > Did you read the BSCN book Bradley? > > ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson... > > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books. I'm > > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Daniel Boutet > > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM > > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > > > > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. > > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. > > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). > > ISBN: 0-07-212477 > > > > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" > > with little or no explanation. > > > > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors > > Typo's: too many to mention > > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) > > > > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. > > > > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. > > > > Daniel > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because the publication date was pushed back. I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this time. - Original Message - From: Daniel Boutet Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN one was almost a carbon copy of the Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good. I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at it in depth since I am keeping it for my last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some comments on it. Did you read the BSCN book Bradley? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson... > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books. I'm > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc. > > - Original Message - > From: Daniel Boutet > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). > ISBN: 0-07-212477 > > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" > with little or no explanation. > > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors > Typo's: too many to mention > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) > > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. > > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. > > Daniel _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN one was almost a carbon copy of the Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good. I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at it in depth since I am keeping it for my last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some comments on it. Did you read the BSCN book Bradley? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson... > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books. I'm > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc. > > - Original Message - > From: Daniel Boutet > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). > ISBN: 0-07-212477 > > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" > with little or no explanation. > > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors > Typo's: too many to mention > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) > > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. > > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. > > Daniel > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books. I'm curious as to how much production time went into them, etc. - Original Message - From: Daniel Boutet Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). ISBN: 0-07-212477 So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" with little or no explanation. Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors Typo's: too many to mention Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. Daniel _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). ISBN: 0-07-212477 So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" with little or no explanation. Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors Typo's: too many to mention Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. Daniel _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Book Review
The Doyle/Halabi routing books you list are great and actually maybe too much just for the test, but knowing everything presented in these books will only make you better. I used an older ACRC book as well and filled in the gaps with other material. Besides, you will want the Doyle and Halabi books for CCIE preparation, so you won't go wrong buying them now. I used the Cisco Press LAN Switching book, which I consider the switching Bible. You can't do better for switching. Rik
Re: Book Review
See comments below... > >I would greatly appreciate if someone could help me select books for CCNP >preparation. > >At present I have the following books: > >1. Cisco Ccnp Preparation Library by Laura A. Chappell, Daniel Farkas, Tim >Boyles >(1st Edition) ISBN: 1578702070 Good set, but you'll need CCNP 2.0 specific info as well... >2. CCIE Professional Development: Routing Tcp/Ip by Jeff Doyle ISBN: > >1578700418 Step 1 in any Cisco Cert program. This book is a MUST! >3. Internet Routing Architecture by Bassam Halabi ISBN: 157870233X Best first book on BGP! This one is another MUST! > >4. BSCN by Thomas M. Thomas ISBN: 0072124776 >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072124776/ref=cm_mp_wl/104->1240568-9440706?colid=2MV52LTVCIQ11 You really should get this one. Great book, great author - and he's a contributor to this list too! > >5. Building Cisco MultiLayer Switched Networks by Karen Webb ISBN: > >1578700930 > >6. CCIE Professional Development: Cisco LAN Switching by Kennedy Clark > >ISBN: 1578700949 > >Would you prefer book #5 or #6 or both. > Get both! One is more exam focused, but Kennedy's book has been called the "switching bible". You should get both, it won't be wasted money... Dale [=`) _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Book Review
I would greatly appreciate if someone could help me select books for CCNP preparation. At present I have the following books: 1. Cisco Ccnp Preparation Library by Laura A. Chappell, Daniel Farkas, Tim Boyles(1st Edition) ISBN: 1578702070http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578702070/104-1240568-9440706 These were meant for CCNP 1.0. But what I have heard is that BCRAN and CIT exams are still the same (Is it true???) so I think I can still use 2 out the four books in this boxed set. Now how do I go about preparing for the Routing 2.0 and the Switching 2.0??? Lets talk about Routing 2.0 first. I also have the following book: 2. CCIE Professional Development: Routing Tcp/Ip by Jeff Doyle ISBN: 1578700418 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578700418/o/qid=970472691/sr=2-1/104-1240568-9440706 Apperently it has a very good info on OSPF and EIGRP but no BGP stuff. While looking through Amazon.com I came across this book: 3. Internet Routing Architecture by Bassam Halabi ISBN: 157870233X http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/157870233X/o/qid=970470495/sr=2-1/104-1240568-9440706 Reviewer say it is the best book for BGP. What do you say?? Now I ask you would the old ACRC book along with book # 2 and #3 be enough for Routing 2.0 exam or would you rather go for: 4. BSCN by Thomas M. Thomas ISBN: 0072124776 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072124776/ref=cm_mp_wl/104-1240568-9440706?colid=2MV52LTVCIQ11 Now lets talk about Switching 2.0. What I heard is that this is the exam which has changed the most. What do you say?? Which book would you prefer when you are preparing for this exam: 5. Building Cisco MultiLayer Switched Networks by Karen Webb ISBN: 1578700930 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578700930/qid%3D970470902/104-1240568-9440706 6. CCIE Professional Development: Cisco LAN Switching by Kennedy Clark ISBN: 1578700949 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578700949/o/qid=970472691/sr=2-2/104-1240568-9440706 Would you prefer book #5 or #6 or both. I will be anxiously waiting for your replies and I am sure your feedback will help many like myself who are striving to get the CCNP Cert. Millions of Thanks. Faisal
Re: Book Review
The best a most have for CCIE candidates Duck - Original Message - From: Cisco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 4:50 PM Subject: Book Review > Any comments on this book? > Cisco Certification: Bridges, Routers and Switches for CCIEs > Written by: Bruce Caslow > Format: Hardcover, 840pp. > ISBN: 0130825379 > Publisher: Prentice Hall PTR > Pub. Date: December 1998 > > Big D. CCNP/MCSE/MCNE > > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Book Review
On 30 Jul 2000 21:27:58 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Neiberger) wrote: >Cisco Certification: Bridges, Routers and Switches for CCIEs Where is the errata for Caslow's book? I looked on Prentice-Hall's site and didn't find anything. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Book Review
I have this book. It is indeed an excellent on-the-job referenec. However, I have been warned that it is becoming a little dated in terms of its content. can anyone confirm/dispute this? Derek Lewinson, CCNA, MCSE Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/Fax/Mobile: 0709 205 2615 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > William E Gragido > Sent: 31 July 2000 05:26 > To: Cisco; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: Book Review > > > It is by far one of the best books written on the subject matter. I would > suggest it for anyone who is serious in pursuing higher level Cisco > certification or for anyone simply interested in becoming more > intimate with > the technologies. Thumbs Up! > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Cisco > > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 6:51 PM > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Subject: Book Review > > > > > > Any comments on this book? > > Cisco Certification: Bridges, Routers and Switches for CCIEs > > Written by: Bruce Caslow > > Format: Hardcover, 840pp. > > ISBN: 0130825379 > > Publisher: Prentice Hall PTR > > Pub. Date: December 1998 > > > > Big D. CCNP/MCSE/MCNE > > > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Book Review
It is by far one of the best books written on the subject matter. I would suggest it for anyone who is serious in pursuing higher level Cisco certification or for anyone simply interested in becoming more intimate with the technologies. Thumbs Up! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Cisco > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 6:51 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: Book Review > > > Any comments on this book? > Cisco Certification: Bridges, Routers and Switches for CCIEs > Written by: Bruce Caslow > Format: Hardcover, 840pp. > ISBN: 0130825379 > Publisher: Prentice Hall PTR > Pub. Date: December 1998 > > Big D. CCNP/MCSE/MCNE > > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Book Review
It's a truly excellent book, with one caveat: GET THE ERRATA! The information is logically presented and there are many lab scenarios to help you understand the material. The number of errors, however, will make you think you're losing your mind. Once you've corrected the typos, etc., you'll be in great shape. > Any comments on this book? > Cisco Certification: Bridges, Routers and Switches for CCIEs > Written by: Bruce Caslow > Format: Hardcover, 840pp. > ISBN: 0130825379 > Publisher: Prentice Hall PTR > Pub. Date: December 1998 > > Big D. CCNP/MCSE/MCNE > > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Book Review
Any comments on this book? Cisco Certification: Bridges, Routers and Switches for CCIEs Written by: Bruce Caslow Format: Hardcover, 840pp. ISBN: 0130825379 Publisher: Prentice Hall PTR Pub. Date: December 1998 Big D. CCNP/MCSE/MCNE ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Book Review - Cisco Access Lists
Since it appears that today's theme is good books, let me add my couple of bucks on one I just finished last night. Cisco Access Lists Field Guide by Gil Held and our own Kent Hundley. Some of you know from private mails that I have included this book on my recommended list for preparation for the CCNP Security specialization ( MCNS ) exam. That is because it covers in pretty good detail a number of the topics covered on that exam. ( if it had a section on the Pix firewall, it would cover it all ) It is also a book versatile enough to be of value for ACRC study, probably for some aspects of the CCIE written, and of course for a lot of the day to day kind of work most of us do or want to do. Topics covered ( summarized from the table of contents ) : Router operations ( how they work ) Access lists and how they work Named access lists Dynamic access lists Time based access lists ( keep those janitors from surfing the web instead of sweeping your office! ) Reflexive access lists Context based access control ( so many things to do! So many ways to do them! ) TCP intercept and NAT ( more neat features ) Cisco encryption ( CEP ) and IPSec, along with a good overview of security operations Queuing and traffic shaping Lots of examples, and even better, lots of explanation of those examples. The appendices include a detailed algorithm for wildcard mask determination, with explanation, and a couple of other typical things, such as glossary and index. I also have to add that while it is always difficult to determine what should and should not be included in any book, I have to take this opportunity to point out that the acronyms table includes, among other terms, e-mail, which is an acronym for electronic mail, FCC, which is the acronym for the Federal Communications Commission, and TCP/IP, which I do hope everyone reading this recognizes. Sorry guys, but its kinda wacky around my house today, and I can't resist trying to make a humorous comment. This is a good book, covering some fundamental material in a clear manner. Examples abound, and are clearly explained. And it covers a lot of ground in a mere 250 pages of the 5x8 size. One excellent job, and in my humble opinion a book well worth the asking price. Chuck Please check out my new footers for a new age 1) Altruism http://www.thehungersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/HungerSite Please help feed hungry people worldwide. A few seconds a day can make a difference to many people 2) Shameless Hucksterism www.certificationzone.com An excellent study focal point for all levels of certification, as well as the attainment of internetworking expertise. Use my name when you register. You get good study material and I get extra time ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Book Review - Cisco Access Lists
Since it appears that today's theme is good books, let me add my couple of bucks on one I just finished last night. Cisco Access Lists Field Guide by Gil Held and our own Kent Hundley. Some of you know from private mails that I have included this book on my recommended list for preparation for the CCNP Security specialization ( MCNS ) exam. That is because it covers in pretty good detail a number of the topics covered on that exam. ( if it had a section on the Pix firewall, it would cover it all ) It is also a book versatile enough to be of value for ACRC study, probably for some aspects of the CCIE written, and of course for a lot of the day to day kind of work most of us do or want to do. Topics covered ( summarized from the table of contents ) : Router operations ( how they work ) Access lists and how they work Named access lists Dynamic access lists Time based access lists ( keep those janitors from surfing the web instead of sweeping your office! ) Reflexive access lists Context based access control ( so many things to do! So many ways to do them! ) TCP intercept and NAT ( more neat features ) Cisco encryption ( CEP ) and IPSec, along with a good overview of security operations Queuing and traffic shaping Lots of examples, and even better, lots of explanation of those examples. The appendices include a detailed algorithm for wildcard mask determination, with explanation, and a couple of other typical things, such as glossary and index. I also have to add that while it is always difficult to determine what should and should not be included in any book, I have to take this opportunity to point out that the acronyms table includes, among other terms, e-mail, which is an acronym for electronic mail, FCC, which is the acronym for the Federal Communications Commission, and TCP/IP, which I do hope everyone reading this recognizes. Sorry guys, but its kinda wacky around my house today, and I can't resist trying to make a humorous comment. This is a good book, covering some fundamental material in a clear manner. Examples abound, and are clearly explained. And it covers a lot of ground in a mere 250 pages of the 5x8 size. One excellent job, and in my humble opinion a book well worth the asking price. Chuck 1) Altruism http://www.thehungersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/HungerSite Please help feed hungry people worldwide. 2) Selfishness www.certificationzone.com join up, help yourself, and I get some consideration. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
