Cisco share in downfall
Dear all, i would like to know your comments and suggestions,as we all know IT is in shaky ground these days the hype surrounding it is fizzling out.We the network engineers are facing more and more competion and the openings once prjected seem far,what should we do ?should we continue our quest should we keep at networking or shift towards system(unix,sun,etc) or should we wait . the situation maynot be that gloomy as ive projected but we need a serious rethinking to survive ,any suggestions. Regards, _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco share in downfall
Sure, My Manager told me to stop work on all new network projects, and implement the following solution for full-mesh, Point-to-Point network connectivity. Campbell soup can-String-Campbell soup can Pow! instant solution!!!...and what a savings! Cheers, Lance >From: "ahmadbilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "ahmadbilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Cisco share in downfall >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:32:02 +0500 > >Dear all, > >i would like to know your comments and suggestions,as we all know IT is in >shaky ground these days the hype surrounding it is fizzling out.We the >network engineers are facing more and more competion and the openings once >prjected seem far,what should we do ?should we continue our quest should we >keep at networking or shift towards system(unix,sun,etc) or should we wait >. >the situation maynot be that gloomy as ive projected but we need a serious >rethinking to survive ,any suggestions. > >Regards, > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco share in downfall
If you love to do networking, do networking. If you love server admin, do server admin. If you love grooming cats and dogs, groom cats and dogs. The point I am trying to make is, if you are good at what you do, and you continue to improve yourself, you will not be out of work. If you are good, your job prospects are good. If you are half-ass, your prospects will be half-ass. To me personally, it doesn't matter what the economy is doing, or what the competition is doing. I love to do what I do, I am good at what I do, and I get paid well. What else matters? Venting, Evan -Original Message- From: ahmadbilal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco share in downfall Dear all, i would like to know your comments and suggestions,as we all know IT is in shaky ground these days the hype surrounding it is fizzling out.We the network engineers are facing more and more competion and the openings once prjected seem far,what should we do ?should we continue our quest should we keep at networking or shift towards system(unix,sun,etc) or should we wait . the situation maynot be that gloomy as ive projected but we need a serious rethinking to survive ,any suggestions. Regards, _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco share in downfall
Campbell's soup cans are a proprietary solution. I prefer a more open solution, like the soup cans from Progresso. Besides, Progresso offers a turnkey soup solution, no need to turn to add water or anything [=`) Z >From: "Lance Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Lance Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Cisco share in downfall >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:30:22 -0800 > >Sure, > >My Manager told me to stop work on all new network projects, and implement >the following solution for full-mesh, Point-to-Point network >connectivity. > >Campbell soup can-String-Campbell soup can > >Pow! instant solution!!!...and what a savings! > >Cheers, > >Lance > > > >From: "ahmadbilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "ahmadbilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Cisco share in downfall > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:32:02 +0500 > > > >Dear all, > > > >i would like to know your comments and suggestions,as we all know IT is >in > >shaky ground these days the hype surrounding it is fizzling out.We the > >network engineers are facing more and more competion and the openings >once > >prjected seem far,what should we do ?should we continue our quest should >we > >keep at networking or shift towards system(unix,sun,etc) or should we >wait > >. > >the situation maynot be that gloomy as ive projected but we need a >serious > >rethinking to survive ,any suggestions. > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco share in downfall
ArcNet lives!!! ;-) - Original Message - From: Lance Hubbard To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Cisco share in downfall Sure, My Manager told me to stop work on all new network projects, and implement the following solution for full-mesh, Point-to-Point network connectivity. Campbell soup can-String-Campbell soup can Pow! instant solution!!!...and what a savings! Cheers, Lance _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco share in downfall
Yes, I see the end is near.I wonder if this would work: Mac-Mac---Mac--Mac Look folks, so what if CISCO is going down and Juniper is better in some respectslearn something from Microsoft. Its hard to kill somthing that is so entrenched in the industry or for that matter is the industry. Anywayone day CISCO will just buy Juniper and if you are good you will always have a job. - Original Message - From: "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Cisco share in downfall > > Campbell's soup cans are a proprietary solution. I prefer a more open > solution, like the soup cans from Progresso. Besides, Progresso offers a > turnkey soup solution, no need to turn to add water or anything > > [=`) > > Z > > >From: "Lance Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Lance Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Cisco share in downfall > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:30:22 -0800 > > > >Sure, > > > >My Manager told me to stop work on all new network projects, and implement > >the following solution for full-mesh, Point-to-Point network > >connectivity. > > > >Campbell soup can-String-Campbell soup can > > > >Pow! instant solution!!!...and what a savings! > > > >Cheers, > > > >Lance > > > > > > >From: "ahmadbilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: "ahmadbilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Cisco share in downfall > > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:32:02 +0500 > > > > > >Dear all, > > > > > >i would like to know your comments and suggestions,as we all know IT is > >in > > >shaky ground these days the hype surrounding it is fizzling out.We the > > >network engineers are facing more and more competion and the openings > >once > > >prjected seem far,what should we do ?should we continue our quest should > >we > > >keep at networking or shift towards system(unix,sun,etc) or should we > >wait > > >. > > >the situation maynot be that gloomy as ive projected but we need a > >serious > > >rethinking to survive ,any suggestions. > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > >_ > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >_ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco share in downfall
I agree with Evan, and I'll add a few other points - #1 - who said IT is on shaky ground? The dot-coms are probably (and always have been) risky, but other companies in the non-information technology markets are still solid (although I'll grant that, when business slows down and layoffs start to occur, infrastucture hiring such as HR, finance, and IT is usually frozen) #2 - Those who jump on the career bandwagon because some technology or market segment is hot are usually disappointed in their results and careers in the long-term. Just because "the hype" is fizzling out does NOT mean that the need is disappearing. On the contrary, the shortage of technically skilled people in certain areas will continue to exist because of lack of interest, because it is not "profitable or lucrative", because "the glamour" is gone, because it's hard to master, etc. If I got into networking because I thought it was financially lucrative, I would have been making a big mistake, and would have been very disappointed. However, since my skills have improved and matured, I have enjoyed some very good promotions and raises. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN RIGHT OFF THE BAT. I had to serve my time and pay my dues, just like in ANY OTHER CAREER. And I'll bet that most of the other folks on this list have taken that same path. #3 - Competition? I just interviewed a guy who wants to be a network engineer, and (again) wants to put the cart before the horse...he wants to get certified before he actually gets the experience. I didn't express my amusement in front of him...but I did ask him the question "Why do you want to be a network engineer?". I did not get a satisfactory answer from him. That's my competition? #4 - I ain't changing careers because someone says that IT is fizzling out, because I'm in pretty good shape where I'm at. Unless, or course, someone offers me a job in the Carribean as a high-paid towel boy on a nude beach. ;-) Evan Francen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you love to do networking, do networking. If you love server admin, do > server admin. If you love grooming cats and dogs, groom cats and dogs. The > point I am trying to make is, if you are good at what you do, and you > continue to improve yourself, you will not be out of work. If you are good, > your job prospects are good. If you are half-ass, your prospects will be > half-ass. To me personally, it doesn't matter what the economy is doing, or > what the competition is doing. I love to do what I do, I am good at what I > do, and I get paid well. What else matters? > > Venting, > Evan > > -Original Message----- > From: ahmadbilal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Cisco share in downfall > > > Dear all, > > i would like to know your comments and suggestions,as we all know IT is in > shaky ground these days the hype surrounding it is fizzling out.We the > network engineers are facing more and more competion and the openings once > prjected seem far,what should we do ?should we continue our quest should we > keep at networking or shift towards system(unix,sun,etc) or should we wait . > the situation maynot be that gloomy as ive projected but we need a serious > rethinking to survive ,any suggestions. > > Regards, > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco share in downfall
Is that a turnkey or Turkey solution?? By the way, are the cans your talking about the little 10oz ones or of the 3LB variety??? ""Raul F. Fernandez-IGLOU"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 012101c0ae4a$11a6a240$f1402ca6@WG647J50805">news:012101c0ae4a$11a6a240$f1402ca6@WG647J50805... > Yes, I see the end is near.I wonder if this would work: > > Mac-Mac---Mac--Mac > > Look folks, so what if CISCO is going down and Juniper is better in some > respectslearn something from Microsoft. > > Its hard to kill somthing that is so entrenched in the industry or for that > matter is the industry. > > Anywayone day CISCO will just buy Juniper and if you are good you will > always have a job. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: Cisco share in downfall > > > > > > Campbell's soup cans are a proprietary solution. I prefer a more open > > solution, like the soup cans from Progresso. Besides, Progresso offers a > > turnkey soup solution, no need to turn to add water or anything > > > > [=`) > > > > Z > > > > >From: "Lance Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: "Lance Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: Cisco share in downfall > > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:30:22 -0800 > > > > > >Sure, > > > > > >My Manager told me to stop work on all new network projects, and > implement > > >the following solution for full-mesh, Point-to-Point network > > >connectivity..... > > > > > >Campbell soup can-String-Campbell soup can > > > > > >Pow! instant solution!!!...and what a savings! > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Lance > > > > > > > > > >From: "ahmadbilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: "ahmadbilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Cisco share in downfall > > > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:32:02 +0500 > > > > > > > >Dear all, > > > > > > > >i would like to know your comments and suggestions,as we all know IT is > > >in > > > >shaky ground these days the hype surrounding it is fizzling out.We the > > > >network engineers are facing more and more competion and the openings > > >once > > > >prjected seem far,what should we do ?should we continue our quest > should > > >we > > > >keep at networking or shift towards system(unix,sun,etc) or should we > > >wait > > > >. > > > >the situation maynot be that gloomy as ive projected but we need a > > >serious > > > >rethinking to survive ,any suggestions. > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_ > > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >_ > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > >_ > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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While a network administrator may be tempted to go with the larger capacity cans, be aware that a costly echo cancellation implementation may be required. Cheers, Lance >From: "The.Rock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "The.Rock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Cisco share in downfall >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:54:08 -0600 > >Is that a turnkey or Turkey solution?? > >By the way, are the cans your talking about the little 10oz ones or of the >3LB variety??? > >""Raul F. Fernandez-IGLOU"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >012101c0ae4a$11a6a240$f1402ca6@WG647J50805">news:012101c0ae4a$11a6a240$f1402ca6@WG647J50805... > > Yes, I see the end is near.I wonder if this would work: > > > > Mac-Mac---Mac--Mac > > > > Look folks, so what if CISCO is going down and Juniper is better in some > > respectslearn something from Microsoft. > > > > Its hard to kill somthing that is so entrenched in the industry or for >that > > matter is the industry. > > > > Anywayone day CISCO will just buy Juniper and if you are good you >will > > always have a job. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:07 PM > > Subject: Re: Cisco share in downfall > > > > > > > > > > Campbell's soup cans are a proprietary solution. I prefer a more open > > > solution, like the soup cans from Progresso. Besides, Progresso offers >a > > > turnkey soup solution, no need to turn to add water or anything > > > > > > [=`) > > > > > > Z > > > > > > >From: "Lance Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: "Lance Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: Cisco share in downfall > > > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:30:22 -0800 > > > > > > > >Sure, > > > > > > > >My Manager told me to stop work on all new network projects, and > > implement > > > >the following solution for full-mesh, Point-to-Point network > > > >connectivity. > > > > > > > >Campbell soup can-String-Campbell soup can > > > > > > > >Pow! instant solution!!!...and what a savings! > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > > >Lance > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "ahmadbilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Reply-To: "ahmadbilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >Subject: Cisco share in downfall > > > > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:32:02 +0500 > > > > > > > > > >Dear all, > > > > > > > > > >i would like to know your comments and suggestions,as we all know >IT >is > > > >in > > > > >shaky ground these days the hype surrounding it is fizzling out.We >the > > > > >network engineers are facing more and more competion and the >openings > > > >once > > > > >prjected seem far,what should we do ?should we continue our quest > > should > > > >we > > > > >keep at networking or shift towards system(unix,sun,etc) or should >we > > > >wait > > > > >. > > > > >the situation maynot be that gloomy as ive projected but we need a > > > >serious > > > > >rethinking to survive ,any suggestions. > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_ > > > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >_ > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > >_ > > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco share in downfall
With all this Juniper stuff flying around, I remind you all to consider that core routing represents something like 16% of Cisco's revenue stream and Juniper only make core routers. Pete *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 3/16/2001 at 1:51 PM Raul F. Fernandez-IGLOU wrote: >Yes, I see the end is near.I wonder if this would work: > >Mac-Mac---Mac--Mac > >Look folks, so what if CISCO is going down and Juniper is better in some >respectslearn something from Microsoft. > >Its hard to kill somthing that is so entrenched in the industry or for that >matter is the industry. > >Anywayone day CISCO will just buy Juniper and if you are good you will >always have a job. > > >- Original Message - >From: "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:07 PM >Subject: Re: Cisco share in downfall > > >> >> Campbell's soup cans are a proprietary solution. I prefer a more open >> solution, like the soup cans from Progresso. Besides, Progresso offers a >> turnkey soup solution, no need to turn to add water or anything >> >> [=`) >> >> Z >> >> >From: "Lance Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Reply-To: "Lance Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Subject: Re: Cisco share in downfall >> >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:30:22 -0800 >> > >> >Sure, >> > >> >My Manager told me to stop work on all new network projects, and >implement >> >the following solution for full-mesh, Point-to-Point network >> >connectivity. >> > >> >Campbell soup can-String-Campbell soup can >> > >> >Pow! instant solution!!!...and what a savings! >> > >> >Cheers, >> > >> >Lance >> > >> > >> > >From: "ahmadbilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >Reply-To: "ahmadbilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >Subject: Cisco share in downfall >> > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:32:02 +0500 >> > > >> > >Dear all, >> > > >> > >i would like to know your comments and suggestions,as we all know IT >is >> >in >> > >shaky ground these days the hype surrounding it is fizzling out.We the >> > >network engineers are facing more and more competion and the openings >> >once >> > >prjected seem far,what should we do ?should we continue our quest >should >> >we >> > >keep at networking or shift towards system(unix,sun,etc) or should we >> >wait >> > >. >> > >the situation maynot be that gloomy as ive projected but we need a >> >serious >> > >rethinking to survive ,any suggestions. >> > > >> > >Regards, >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >_ >> > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >> > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >_ >> >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> > >> >_ >> >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >> >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> _ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> _ >> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>With all this Juniper stuff flying around, I remind you all to >consider that core routing represents something like 16% of Cisco's >revenue stream and Juniper only make core routers. > >Pete Putting on my chef's hat, I have several tools that variously remove apple cores, leaving the rest intact, or also slice the remaining part. Does this mean that Victorinox, Sabatier, etc., are significant players in the core market? Those ...routers...that also slice the fruit into segments, clearly, are distributed edge processors in the same housing as the core router. As far as the charges and countercharges about the Lightreading tests, the Master of Networks asked the Novice, "Grasshopper, what is the difference between a seller of used cars and a networking marketdroid?" "I know not, sensei. Enlighten me." "The seller of used cars knows when he is lying." In a different current controversy, one wonders if new.net has any conception of the operational impact their product may have. See continuing flames on NANOG. It may be necessary to bring in a mediator to deal with the question of whether Cisco is faster than Juniper, or vice versa. Perhaps Bill Clinton can help explain the meaning of "is" in this context. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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After posting I wondered how far my liberal use of the word "core" would get me :) To be honest, very few terms in any vernacular can stand up to the rigorous hair splitting that debate inspires. Lexical precision just isn't an important concept to the marketing folks in this business. Fortunately, the debate will be settled in the traditional capitalist manner where technical superiority rarely plays a dominant role. Were it not so, debates of this nature would likely stagnate the markets to such a point as to render them moot. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 3/16/2001 at 7:05 PM Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: >>With all this Juniper stuff flying around, I remind you all to >>consider that core routing represents something like 16% of Cisco's >>revenue stream and Juniper only make core routers. >> >>Pete > > >Putting on my chef's hat, I have several tools that variously remove >apple cores, leaving the rest intact, or also slice the remaining >part. Does this mean that Victorinox, Sabatier, etc., are >significant players in the core market? > >Those ...routers...that also slice the fruit into segments, clearly, >are distributed edge processors in the same housing as the core >router. > >As far as the charges and countercharges about the Lightreading >tests, the Master of Networks asked the Novice, > >"Grasshopper, what is the difference between a seller of used cars > and a networking marketdroid?" > >"I know not, sensei. Enlighten me." > >"The seller of used cars knows when he is lying." > >In a different current controversy, one wonders if new.net has any >conception of the operational impact their product may have. See >continuing flames on NANOG. > >It may be necessary to bring in a mediator to deal with the question >of whether Cisco is faster than Juniper, or vice versa. Perhaps Bill >Clinton can help explain the meaning of "is" in this context. > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sales Droid jokes Was RE: Cisco share in downfall
Another difference between a used car salesman and a router sales droid is that the used car salesman knows how to drive his product. > -Original Message- > From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 6:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco share in downfall > > > >With all this Juniper stuff flying around, I remind you all to > >consider that core routing represents something like 16% of Cisco's > >revenue stream and Juniper only make core routers. > > > >Pete > > > Putting on my chef's hat, I have several tools that variously remove > apple cores, leaving the rest intact, or also slice the remaining > part. Does this mean that Victorinox, Sabatier, etc., are > significant players in the core market? > > Those ...routers...that also slice the fruit into segments, clearly, > are distributed edge processors in the same housing as the core > router. > > As far as the charges and countercharges about the Lightreading > tests, the Master of Networks asked the Novice, > > "Grasshopper, what is the difference between a seller of used cars > and a networking marketdroid?" > > "I know not, sensei. Enlighten me." > > "The seller of used cars knows when he is lying." > > In a different current controversy, one wonders if new.net has any > conception of the operational impact their product may have. See > continuing flames on NANOG. > > It may be necessary to bring in a mediator to deal with the question > of whether Cisco is faster than Juniper, or vice versa. Perhaps Bill > Clinton can help explain the meaning of "is" in this context. > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct > and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sales Droid jokes Was RE: Cisco share in downfall
Sorry I had to get an Irish joke in before the weekend. Have a great St. Pat's day! Daniel Cotts wrote: > > Another difference between a used car salesman and a router sales droid is > that the used car salesman knows how to drive his product. > An Irishman, a Mexican and an Redneck were doing construction work on scaffolding on the 20th floor of a building. They were eating lunch and the Irishman said; Corned beef and cabbage." If I get corned beef and cabbage one more time for lunch I'm going to jump off this building." The Mexican opened his lunch box and exclaimed; Burritos again." If I get Burritos one more time I'm going to jump off,too." The Redneck opened his lunch and said; "Bologna again." "If I get a Bologna sandwich one more time I'm jumping too." -Next Day- The Irishman opens his lunch box, sees Corned beef and cabbage and jumps to his death. The Mexican opens his lunch, sees a Burrito and jumps too. The Redneck opens his lunch, sees the Bologna and jumps to his death also. -- At The Funeral- The Irishman's wife is weeping. She says; "If I'd known how really tired he was of Corned beef and cabbage I never would have given it to him again." The Mexican's wife also weeps and says; "I could have given him Tacos or Enchiladas, I didn't realize he hated Burritos so much." Everyone turned and stared at the Redneck's wife Hey, don't look at me,"she said, "That dumb-ass makes his OWN lunch!" Natasha Flazynski http://www.ciscobot.com My Cisco information site. http://www.botbuilders.com Artificial Intelligence and Linux development "Out of Clutter, find Simplicity. >From Discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity." - Albert Einstein _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sales Droid jokes Was RE: Cisco share in downfall
True to an extent... It probably isn't true if the car is a McLaren formula one. MikeM - Original Message - From: Daniel Cotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:11 PM Subject: Sales Droid jokes Was RE: Cisco share in downfall > Another difference between a used car salesman and a router sales droid is > that the used car salesman knows how to drive his product. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 6:06 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Cisco share in downfall > > > > > > >With all this Juniper stuff flying around, I remind you all to > > >consider that core routing represents something like 16% of Cisco's > > >revenue stream and Juniper only make core routers. > > > > > >Pete > > > > > > Putting on my chef's hat, I have several tools that variously remove > > apple cores, leaving the rest intact, or also slice the remaining > > part. Does this mean that Victorinox, Sabatier, etc., are > > significant players in the core market? > > > > Those ...routers...that also slice the fruit into segments, clearly, > > are distributed edge processors in the same housing as the core > > router. > > > > As far as the charges and countercharges about the Lightreading > > tests, the Master of Networks asked the Novice, > > > > "Grasshopper, what is the difference between a seller of used cars > > and a networking marketdroid?" > > > > "I know not, sensei. Enlighten me." > > > > "The seller of used cars knows when he is lying." > > > > In a different current controversy, one wonders if new.net has any > > conception of the operational impact their product may have. See > > continuing flames on NANOG. > > > > It may be necessary to bring in a mediator to deal with the question > > of whether Cisco is faster than Juniper, or vice versa. Perhaps Bill > > Clinton can help explain the meaning of "is" in this context. > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct > > and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Seriously defining core and edge (was Re: Cisco share in downfall
>After posting I wondered how far my liberal use of the word "core" >would get me :) To be honest, very few terms in any vernacular can >stand up to the rigorous hair splitting that debate inspires. >Lexical precision just isn't an important concept to the marketing >folks in this business. Seriously, Peter, I am dealing with the edge versus core issue in quite a number of internal and external forums. We specifically have a session at the Internet Society meeting in June that will summarize some thinking in this area. My working definitions are functional, not marketing, and thus have little to do with much of the marketing FUD. I also distinguish between a set of customer definitions and a set of provider definitions. A provider access router, with respect to service providers, is at the customer premises, and may be operated either by the customer or the provider. The customer may have an internal network of substantial size. In that case, the customer access router is closest to the end hosts, customer core routers link campuses or sites, and distribution routers perform concentration and translation functions between access and core. External connectivity is generally a function of the distribution tier, although, if all otherwise unknown traffic defaults to a central external router, that router might be in the customer core. A provider edge device (more than just router, including things like load distributors) establishes the demarcation between service customer and service provider. The edge device is of substantial intelligence, and may be "fed" by collection devices such as DSLAMs, broadband service gateways, dial-in servers, etc. A provider core router speaks to the provider-side interfaces of edge devices. A border router, to use one term suggested by dre here, is at the same hierarchical level as the edge router, but its role is to connect the provider with other providers, not with direct customers. One service provider may be a customer of another, higher-tier provider. In such cases, the router at the lower-level provider is a border router with respect to its own AS, but is an provider access router with respect to the higher-level provider. > >Fortunately, the debate will be settled in the traditional >capitalist manner where technical superiority rarely plays a >dominant role. Were it not so, debates of this nature would likely >stagnate the markets to such a point as to render them moot. > >*** REPLY SEPARATOR *** > >On 3/16/2001 at 7:05 PM Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > >>>With all this Juniper stuff flying around, I remind you all to >>>consider that core routing represents something like 16% of Cisco's >>>revenue stream and Juniper only make core routers. >>> >>>Pete >> >> >>Putting on my chef's hat, I have several tools that variously remove >>apple cores, leaving the rest intact, or also slice the remaining >>part. Does this mean that Victorinox, Sabatier, etc., are >>significant players in the core market? >> >>Those ...routers...that also slice the fruit into segments, clearly, >>are distributed edge processors in the same housing as the core >>router. >> >>As far as the charges and countercharges about the Lightreading >>tests, the Master of Networks asked the Novice, >> >> "Grasshopper, what is the difference between a seller of used cars >> and a networking marketdroid?" >> >> "I know not, sensei. Enlighten me." >> > >"The seller of used cars knows when he is lying." Other scholars add that the seller of used cars also knows how to drive one. > >In a different current controversy, one wonders if new.net has any >>conception of the operational impact their product may have. See >>continuing flames on NANOG. >> >>It may be necessary to bring in a mediator to deal with the question >>of whether Cisco is faster than Juniper, or vice versa. Perhaps Bill > >Clinton can help explain the meaning of "is" in this context. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
