Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
True...when I was 17 I built my first full blown LAN back when Novell 3.11 was the highest version available ;) I did it all with no help and it's still running from what I understand with no administration..just user admin. When you get older you tend to have a different point of view looking back and remembering your own ignorance/stupidity/aerogance. I have nothing against youngsters as long as they have people skills and common sense in work environments. Enthusiasm makes up for alot! Unfortunately I've worked with a 16 yr old who was home-schooled his entire life who had absolutely NO people skills. He would tell users who called for support they were stupid, etc. Not good...heh. Poor guy had never been out in the real world and was still in that pick-on-your-little-brother mode...hehe. - Original Message - From: Tony van Ree To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] Hi, I have a kid sitting alongside me (he just turned 18). At 17 he qualified as a CCNA and has some CCNP subjects under his belt. I rely on him for good advice when I'm stuck. What I hope to give him in return is the value of my experience and a way to formulate a methodology in troubleshooting etc. What this guy lacks is experience. The main issue here is customer relations and what to do when the books don't have an answer. By the same token what he lacks in experience he makes up for in enthusiasm and knowlege of the technology. I support young people having a go. That's where most of us started (young that is). Just a thought Teunis, Hobart, Tasmania Australia On Wednesday, April 25, 2001 at 05:18:11 PM, Jack W. Williams wrote: Nobody who's secure in their talents is offended by your age. It might be a reminder for some of us fogies to stay on our toes, though! I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead, Dude. - Original Message - From: Russ Kreigh To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite a bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I am just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job. On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the next month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life experience in my job. The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my age also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i
Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
Hehe...I worked for $2.85/hr as a cook at a car-hop burger joint. The wage was under minimum wage ($3.11 I think) but it was claimed + tips. How many people tip cooks at a car-hop? rofl. Now I think I make somewhere near per day that I made per week there...rofl. - Original Message - From: Circusnuts To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:06 PM Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] When I was 17 years old (1987), I washed chili pots @ the local greasy spoon for $3 an hour... wondering how I was going to pay for college. My senior worked 9 to 4 (I worked 4 to 11, sometimes 12AM), made $5 an hour, only had the cushy lunch crowd to contend with, left the tough pots for me. I feel your pain. Pay your dues change things when you get in a position to. Phil - Original Message - From: Russ Kreigh To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite a bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I am just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job. On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the next month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life experience in my job. The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my age also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1873t=1698 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure
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One more thing to add to that Phil. Russ... at 17, let me make one suggestion to you... put some money away now for your college years! I too had a similar job to Russ, but I spent my money on stupid things that I thought were important at 17 and then when the real fun hits you in college, you are already tapped out! Put in your time, put some money away and it will all come around!! Good luck dude! [EMAIL PROTECTED] For information on our award winning server storage products: Dell Server Site: http://www.dell.com/products/poweredge/index.htm -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] When I was 17 years old (1987), I washed chili pots @ the local greasy spoon for $3 an hour... wondering how I was going to pay for college. My senior worked 9 to 4 (I worked 4 to 11, sometimes 12AM), made $5 an hour, only had the cushy lunch crowd to contend with, left the tough pots for me. I feel your pain. Pay your dues change things when you get in a position to. Phil - Original Message - From: Russ Kreigh To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite a bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I am just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job. On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the next month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life experience in my job. The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my age also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message
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Nobody who's secure in their talents is offended by your age. It might be a reminder for some of us fogies to stay on our toes, though! I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead, Dude. - Original Message - From: Russ Kreigh To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite a bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I am just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job. On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the next month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life experience in my job. The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my age also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1962t=1698 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Russ, I started out at age 20 working as a data communications/security specialist in USMC. Trust me age has nothing to with it. I have met people who are brilliant at all ages and the opposite can be said as well. I wouldn't worry too much about your age, nor would I wear it on your sleeve like a badge of honor. Take things as they come and learn from everyone you come into contact with. If you maintain a humble attitude and don't get caught up in the egotism that unfortunately rears its head in our business, you will do fine. As for your CCNA and CCDA. Study the foundational stuff and get comfortable with it. The DA is a long exam, but not bad. Regards, Will Gragido CCNA, CCDA, MCP Lucent NPS NSE 27year old geezer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jack W. Williams Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] Nobody who's secure in their talents is offended by your age. It might be a reminder for some of us fogies to stay on our toes, though! I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead, Dude. - Original Message - From: Russ Kreigh To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite a bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I am just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job. On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the next month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life experience in my job. The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my age also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure
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I concur. (I love saying that ) But what makes it really great is when they recognize that the oldie has something to teach them. They don't have to worship the cable that you pull but displaying an attitude of respect for co-workers goes a long way. People skills at the senior level normally only come from working with people, both easy going and difficult. Unfortunately that usually only comes with time and experience. Some youthful hopefuls have a hard time grasping that anything could be denied them due to their age. What they don't understand is that it's not really age but the length of experience in everyday and not so everyday situations that builds the confidence required to take on the tough jobs. And time is not measured in books read or exams passed but often in years doing the job. Unfortunately length of experience can be easily be equated to age. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: Tony van Ree To: Sent: Wednesday, 25 April, 2001 20:47 Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] Hi, I have a kid sitting alongside me (he just turned 18). At 17 he qualified as a CCNA and has some CCNP subjects under his belt. I rely on him for good advice when I'm stuck. What I hope to give him in return is the value of my experience and a way to formulate a methodology in troubleshooting etc. What this guy lacks is experience. The main issue here is customer relations and what to do when the books don't have an answer. By the same token what he lacks in experience he makes up for in enthusiasm and knowlege of the technology. I support young people having a go. That's where most of us started (young that is). Just a thought Teunis, Hobart, Tasmania Australia On Wednesday, April 25, 2001 at 05:18:11 PM, Jack W. Williams wrote: Nobody who's secure in their talents is offended by your age. It might be a reminder for some of us fogies to stay on our toes, though! I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead, Dude. - Original Message - From: Russ Kreigh To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite a bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I am just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job. On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the next month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life experience in my job. The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my age also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule
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Hi, I have a kid sitting alongside me (he just turned 18). At 17 he qualified as a CCNA and has some CCNP subjects under his belt. I rely on him for good advice when I'm stuck. What I hope to give him in return is the value of my experience and a way to formulate a methodology in troubleshooting etc. What this guy lacks is experience. The main issue here is customer relations and what to do when the books don't have an answer. By the same token what he lacks in experience he makes up for in enthusiasm and knowlege of the technology. I support young people having a go. That's where most of us started (young that is). Just a thought Teunis, Hobart, Tasmania Australia On Wednesday, April 25, 2001 at 05:18:11 PM, Jack W. Williams wrote: Nobody who's secure in their talents is offended by your age. It might be a reminder for some of us fogies to stay on our toes, though! I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead, Dude. - Original Message - From: Russ Kreigh To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite a bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I am just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job. On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the next month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life experience in my job. The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my age also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- www.tasmail.com Message Posted at: http
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Priscilla said: Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? - I'm only 19, but I wouldn't exactly say that I'm 'new' to networking, and I'm sure that other young IT pros are in the same situation as me. I grew up networking. I watched over my dad's shoulder on netware 2.x and 3.x boxes. I messed around with old token ring and arcnet networks - i would maybe even consider myself a lantastic expert (sure, i was only 12 or 13... but you pick stuff up quick when you're young). I guess that my point, is that hardly any of us have more than 10 years experience, and many teenagers have had at least 10 years or more by the time they are working part-time during college (like myself). Don't underestimate us - we're young, fast, and we know how to take tests! My advice to you though, Russ, is don't put up with it. If an ISP isn't paying you what you're worth, and you really know your stuff - look into corporate IT. Nobody cares how old you are - they want to make sure you are professional and that you know how to do your job. So - go design some networks - and good luck on your next test. Dave Dyk Network Operations Unit, Portland Police Bureau CCNP, CNE, MCSE 503.823.0371 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack W. Williams 04/25/01 02:18PM Nobody who's secure in their talents is offended by your age. It might be a reminder for some of us fogies to stay on our toes, though! I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead, Dude. - Original Message - From: Russ Kreigh To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite a bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I am just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job. On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the next month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life experience in my job. The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my age also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
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Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1698t=1698 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Good luck for all your coming exams!!! Kevin Aaron Vose Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1736t=1698 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1744t=1698 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Very well said. - Original Message - From: Priscilla Oppenheimer To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:03 PM Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1748t=1698 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bravo Priscilla. It make your feel a little more comfortable that the test are actually testing your knowledge and ability. If you have a test that pools all your resources, not just what you read, it is more likely to prove your true ability in a real world scenario. I still think there should be some type of apprentice program, but that may be too much to ask of people who want to get a cert just to get a decent paying job. Hang in there Aaron, study hard and work hard. it will all come in time. Steve -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1752t=1698 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite a bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I am just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job. On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the next month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life experience in my job. The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my age also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1791t=1698 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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When I was 17 years old (1987), I washed chili pots @ the local greasy spoon for $3 an hour... wondering how I was going to pay for college. My senior worked 9 to 4 (I worked 4 to 11, sometimes 12AM), made $5 an hour, only had the cushy lunch crowd to contend with, left the tough pots for me. I feel your pain. Pay your dues change things when you get in a position to. Phil - Original Message - From: Russ Kreigh To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite a bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I am just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job. On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the next month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life experience in my job. The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my age also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1799t=1698 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Study up and I'm sure you'll have it the next time. Regarding the age thing, experience (not just knowledge) is often a factor. Plus, what says you're not going to leave them as soon as you're able to work full time? More than likely this other employee isn't going to leave as fast. Don't worry, in a short while you'll have some years of experience under your belt as well (often experience isn't seen just as knowledge or hands on experience, but as years in the trenches). Just keep at it, set your goals and stick to them. I'd also talk with your manager and see if they see value to certs, and if so if you can work it into a way to get raises. But when you think about it, most likely the CCDA doesn't hold that much value at your current position, whereas a CCNA and CCNP would be seen as an asset at an ISP (unless you're out selling design solutions to customers like Howard, where it'd make more sense). -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ Russ Kreigh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite a bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I am just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job. On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the next month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life experience in my job. The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my age also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1816t=1698 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]