Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-26 Thread Allen May

True...when I was 17 I built my first full blown LAN back when Novell 3.11
was the highest version available ;)  I did it all with no help and it's
still running from what I understand with no administration..just user
admin.  When you get older you tend to have a different point of view
looking back and remembering your own ignorance/stupidity/aerogance.  I have
nothing against youngsters as long as they have people skills and common
sense in work environments.  Enthusiasm makes up for alot!  Unfortunately
I've worked with a 16 yr old who was home-schooled his entire life who had
absolutely NO people skills.  He would tell users who called for support
they were stupid, etc.  Not good...heh.  Poor guy had never been out in the
real world and was still in that pick-on-your-little-brother mode...hehe.


- Original Message -
From: Tony van Ree 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 Hi,

 I have a kid sitting alongside me (he just turned 18).  At 17 he qualified
 as a CCNA and has some CCNP subjects under his belt.  I rely on him for
good
 advice when I'm stuck.  What I hope to give him in return is the value of
my
 experience and a way to formulate a methodology in troubleshooting etc.

 What this guy lacks is experience.  The main issue here is customer
 relations and what to do when the books don't have an answer.  By the same
 token what he lacks in experience he makes up for in enthusiasm and
knowlege
 of the technology.

 I support young people having a go.  That's where most of us started
(young
 that is).

 Just a thought

 Teunis,
 Hobart, Tasmania
 Australia


 On Wednesday, April 25, 2001 at 05:18:11 PM, Jack W. Williams wrote:

  Nobody who's secure in their talents is offended by your age.  It
  might be a reminder for some of us
  fogies to stay on our toes, though!
 
  I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead,
Dude.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Russ Kreigh
  To:
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM
  Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
 
 
   I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a
   controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore
am
   going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have
quite
  a
   bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX,
   Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make
   significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with
me. I
  am
   just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to
   consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a
   difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion
of
 it
   has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job.
  
   On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within
the
  next
   month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on
my
   CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life
   experience in my job.
  
   The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be
young
   doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that
my
  age
   also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I
can't
   really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have
 choosen
   careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their
   co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to
accept
   that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job.
  
   -Russ
  
  
  
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
   Priscilla Oppenheimer
   Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
  
  
   I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I
think
   it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA
test.
 It
   validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who
has
   just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
   learning networking, design a network?
  
   Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love
the
   energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
   believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
   amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make
this
   comment out of prejudice.
  
   Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit
more
 in
   order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good
luck!
  
   Priscilla
  
   At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
   Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I
made a
   718
   and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it
for
 a
   couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak
in,
  i

Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-25 Thread Allen May

Hehe...I worked for $2.85/hr as a cook at a car-hop burger joint.  The wage
was under minimum wage ($3.11 I think) but it was claimed + tips.  How
many people tip cooks at a car-hop?  rofl.  Now I think I make somewhere
near per day that I made per week there...rofl.

- Original Message -
From: Circusnuts 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 When I was 17 years old (1987), I washed chili pots @ the local greasy
spoon
 for $3 an hour... wondering how I was going to pay for college.  My senior
 worked 9 to 4 (I worked 4 to 11, sometimes 12AM), made $5 an hour, only
had
 the cushy lunch crowd to contend with,  left the tough pots for me.

 I feel your pain.

 Pay your dues  change things when you get in a position to.

 Phil



 - Original Message -
 From: Russ Kreigh
 To:
 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:49 PM
 Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


  I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a
  controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am
  going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have
quite
 a
  bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX,
  Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make
  significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me.
I
 am
  just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to
  consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a
  difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of
it
  has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job.
 
  On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the
 next
  month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my
  CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life
  experience in my job.
 
  The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be
young
  doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my
 age
  also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't
  really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have
choosen
  careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their
  co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept
  that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job.
 
  -Russ
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
  Priscilla Oppenheimer
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
 
 
  I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I
think
  it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test.
It
  validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who
has
  just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
  learning networking, design a network?
 
  Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love
the
  energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
  believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
  amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this
  comment out of prejudice.
 
  Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more
in
  order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck!
 
  Priscilla
 
  At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
  Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I made
a
  718
  and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for
a
  couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak
in,
 i
  think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
  Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%.
So
 i
  guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and
 sample
  tests for me.  Thanks guys.
  
  ~Aaron Vose
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RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

One more thing to add to that Phil.

Russ... at 17, let me make one suggestion to you... put some money away now
for your college years! I too had a similar job to Russ, but I spent my
money on stupid things that I thought were important at 17 and then when
the real fun hits you in college, you are already tapped out! Put in your
time, put some money away and it will all come around!!

Good luck dude!



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-Original Message-
From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


When I was 17 years old (1987), I washed chili pots @ the local greasy spoon
for $3 an hour... wondering how I was going to pay for college.  My senior
worked 9 to 4 (I worked 4 to 11, sometimes 12AM), made $5 an hour, only had
the cushy lunch crowd to contend with,  left the tough pots for me.

I feel your pain.

Pay your dues  change things when you get in a position to.

Phil



- Original Message -
From: Russ Kreigh 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:49 PM
Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a
 controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am
 going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite
a
 bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX,
 Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make
 significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I
am
 just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to
 consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a
 difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it
 has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job.

 On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the
next
 month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my
 CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life
 experience in my job.

 The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young
 doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my
age
 also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't
 really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen
 careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their
 co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept
 that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job.

 -Russ





 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Priscilla Oppenheimer
 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think
 it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It
 validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has
 just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
 learning networking, design a network?

 Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the
 energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
 believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
 amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this
 comment out of prejudice.

 Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in
 order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck!

 Priscilla

 At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
 Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I made a
 718
 and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for a
 couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in,
i
 think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
 Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%.  So
i
 guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and
sample
 tests for me.  Thanks guys.
 
 ~Aaron Vose
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Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-25 Thread Jack W. Williams

Nobody who's secure in their talents is offended by your age.  It
might be a reminder for some of us
fogies to stay on our toes, though!

I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead, Dude.


- Original Message -
From: Russ Kreigh 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a
 controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am
 going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite
a
 bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX,
 Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make
 significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I
am
 just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to
 consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a
 difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it
 has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job.

 On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the
next
 month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my
 CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life
 experience in my job.

 The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young
 doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my
age
 also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't
 really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen
 careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their
 co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept
 that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job.

 -Russ





 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Priscilla Oppenheimer
 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think
 it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It
 validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has
 just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
 learning networking, design a network?

 Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the
 energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
 believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
 amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this
 comment out of prejudice.

 Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in
 order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck!

 Priscilla

 At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
 Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I made a
 718
 and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for a
 couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in,
i
 think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
 Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%.  So
i
 guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and
sample
 tests for me.  Thanks guys.
 
 ~Aaron Vose
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RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-25 Thread William E. Gragido

Russ,

I started out at age 20 working as a data communications/security specialist
in USMC.  Trust me age has nothing to with it.  I have met people who are
brilliant at all ages and the opposite can be said as well.  I wouldn't
worry too much about your age, nor would I wear it on your sleeve like a
badge of honor.  Take things as they come and learn from everyone you come
into contact with.  If you maintain a humble attitude and don't get caught
up in the egotism that unfortunately rears its head in our business, you
will do fine.  As for your CCNA and CCDA.  Study the foundational stuff and
get comfortable with it.  The DA is a long exam, but not bad.

Regards,

Will Gragido CCNA, CCDA, MCP
Lucent NPS NSE
27year old geezer

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Jack W. Williams
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


Nobody who's secure in their talents is offended by your age.  It
might be a reminder for some of us
fogies to stay on our toes, though!

I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead, Dude.


- Original Message -
From: Russ Kreigh
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a
 controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am
 going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite
a
 bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX,
 Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make
 significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I
am
 just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to
 consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a
 difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it
 has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job.

 On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the
next
 month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my
 CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life
 experience in my job.

 The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young
 doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my
age
 also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't
 really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen
 careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their
 co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept
 that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job.

 -Russ





 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Priscilla Oppenheimer
 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think
 it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It
 validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has
 just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
 learning networking, design a network?

 Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the
 energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
 believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
 amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this
 comment out of prejudice.

 Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in
 order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck!

 Priscilla

 At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
 Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I made a
 718
 and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for a
 couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in,
i
 think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
 Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%.  So
i
 guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and
sample
 tests for me.  Thanks guys.
 
 ~Aaron Vose
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Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-25 Thread Kevin Wigle

I concur.  (I love saying that )

But what makes it really great is when they recognize that the oldie has
something to teach them.

They don't have to worship the cable that you pull but displaying an
attitude of respect for co-workers goes a long way.

People skills at the senior level normally only come from working with
people, both easy going and difficult.  Unfortunately that usually only
comes with time and experience.

Some youthful hopefuls have a hard time grasping that anything could be
denied them due to their age.  What they don't understand is that it's not
really age but the length of experience in everyday and not so everyday
situations that builds the confidence required to take on the tough jobs.
And time is not measured in books read or exams passed but often in years
doing the job.

Unfortunately length of experience can be easily be equated to age.


Kevin Wigle

- Original Message -
From: Tony van Ree 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April, 2001 20:47
Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 Hi,

 I have a kid sitting alongside me (he just turned 18).  At 17 he qualified
 as a CCNA and has some CCNP subjects under his belt.  I rely on him for
good
 advice when I'm stuck.  What I hope to give him in return is the value of
my
 experience and a way to formulate a methodology in troubleshooting etc.

 What this guy lacks is experience.  The main issue here is customer
 relations and what to do when the books don't have an answer.  By the same
 token what he lacks in experience he makes up for in enthusiasm and
knowlege
 of the technology.

 I support young people having a go.  That's where most of us started
(young
 that is).

 Just a thought

 Teunis,
 Hobart, Tasmania
 Australia


 On Wednesday, April 25, 2001 at 05:18:11 PM, Jack W. Williams wrote:

  Nobody who's secure in their talents is offended by your age.  It
  might be a reminder for some of us
  fogies to stay on our toes, though!
 
  I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead,
Dude.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Russ Kreigh
  To:
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM
  Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
 
 
   I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a
   controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore
am
   going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have
quite
  a
   bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX,
   Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make
   significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with
me. I
  am
   just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to
   consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a
   difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion
of
 it
   has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job.
  
   On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within
the
  next
   month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on
my
   CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life
   experience in my job.
  
   The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be
young
   doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that
my
  age
   also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I
can't
   really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have
 choosen
   careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their
   co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to
accept
   that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job.
  
   -Russ
  
  
  
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
   Priscilla Oppenheimer
   Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
  
  
   I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I
think
   it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA
test.
 It
   validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who
has
   just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
   learning networking, design a network?
  
   Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love
the
   energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
   believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
   amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make
this
   comment out of prejudice.
  
   Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit
more
 in
   order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good
luck!
  
   Priscilla
  
   At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
   Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I
made a
   718
   and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule

Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-25 Thread Tony van Ree

Hi,

I have a kid sitting alongside me (he just turned 18).  At 17 he qualified
as a CCNA and has some CCNP subjects under his belt.  I rely on him for good
advice when I'm stuck.  What I hope to give him in return is the value of my
experience and a way to formulate a methodology in troubleshooting etc.

What this guy lacks is experience.  The main issue here is customer
relations and what to do when the books don't have an answer.  By the same
token what he lacks in experience he makes up for in enthusiasm and knowlege
of the technology.

I support young people having a go.  That's where most of us started (young
that is).

Just a thought

Teunis,
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia


On Wednesday, April 25, 2001 at 05:18:11 PM, Jack W. Williams wrote:

 Nobody who's secure in their talents is offended by your age.  It
 might be a reminder for some of us
 fogies to stay on our toes, though!
 
 I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead, Dude.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Russ Kreigh 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM
 Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
 
 
  I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a
  controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am
  going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite
 a
  bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX,
  Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make
  significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I
 am
  just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to
  consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a
  difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of
it
  has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job.
 
  On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the
 next
  month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my
  CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life
  experience in my job.
 
  The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young
  doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my
 age
  also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't
  really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have
choosen
  careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their
  co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept
  that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job.
 
  -Russ
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
  Priscilla Oppenheimer
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
 
 
  I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think
  it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test.
It
  validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has
  just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
  learning networking, design a network?
 
  Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the
  energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
  believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
  amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this
  comment out of prejudice.
 
  Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more
in
  order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck!
 
  Priscilla
 
  At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
  Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I made a
  718
  and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for
a
  couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in,
 i
  think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
  Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%. 
So
 i
  guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and
 sample
  tests for me.  Thanks guys.
  
  ~Aaron Vose
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Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-25 Thread Dyk, Dave

Priscilla said:  Can someone who has just started
 learning networking, design a network?
-

I'm only 19, but I wouldn't exactly say that I'm 'new' to networking, and
I'm
sure that other young IT pros are in the same situation as me.  I grew up
networking.  I watched over my dad's shoulder on netware 2.x and 3.x boxes.
I
messed around with old token ring and arcnet networks - i would maybe even
consider myself a lantastic expert (sure, i was only 12 or 13... but you
pick
stuff up quick when you're young).  I guess that my point, is that hardly
any
of us have more than 10 years experience, and many teenagers have had at
least
10 years or more by the time they are working part-time during college (like
myself).  Don't underestimate us - we're young, fast, and we know how to
take
tests! 

My advice to you though, Russ, is don't put up with it.  If an ISP isn't
paying you what you're worth, and you really know your stuff - look into
corporate IT.  Nobody cares how old you are - they want to make sure you are
professional and that you know how to do your job.  So - go design some
networks - and good luck on your next test.

Dave Dyk
Network Operations Unit, Portland Police Bureau
CCNP, CNE, MCSE
503.823.0371
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Jack W. Williams 04/25/01 02:18PM 
Nobody who's secure in their talents is offended by your age.  It
might be a reminder for some of us
fogies to stay on our toes, though!

I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead, Dude.


- Original Message -
From: Russ Kreigh 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a
 controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am
 going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite
a
 bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX,
 Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make
 significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I
am
 just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to
 consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a
 difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it
 has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job.

 On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the
next
 month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my
 CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life
 experience in my job.

 The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young
 doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my
age
 also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't
 really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen
 careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their
 co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept
 that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job.

 -Russ





 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Priscilla Oppenheimer
 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think
 it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It
 validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has
 just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
 learning networking, design a network?

 Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the
 energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
 believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
 amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this
 comment out of prejudice.

 Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in
 order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck!

 Priscilla

 At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
 Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I made a
 718
 and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for a
 couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in,
i
 think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
 Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%.  So
i
 guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and
sample
 tests for me.  Thanks guys.
 
 ~Aaron Vose
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2001-04-24 Thread Aaron Vose

Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I made a 718
and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for a
couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i
think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%.  So i
guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and sample
tests for me.  Thanks guys.

~Aaron Vose




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Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-24 Thread PYF

Good luck for all your coming exams!!!

Kevin

Aaron Vose   Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37
points.  I made a
718
 and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for a
 couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i
 think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
 Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%.  So
i
 guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and
sample
 tests for me.  Thanks guys.

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Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-24 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think 
it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It 
validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has 
just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started 
learning networking, design a network?

Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the 
energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly 
believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more 
amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this 
comment out of prejudice.

Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in 
order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck!

Priscilla

At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I made a 718
and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for a
couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i
think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%.  So i
guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and sample
tests for me.  Thanks guys.

~Aaron Vose
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Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-24 Thread Naveen

Very well said.

- Original Message -
From: Priscilla Oppenheimer 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think
 it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It
 validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has
 just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
 learning networking, design a network?

 Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the
 energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
 believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
 amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this
 comment out of prejudice.

 Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in
 order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck!

 Priscilla

 At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
 Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I made a
718
 and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for a
 couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in,
i
 think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
 Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%.  So
i
 guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and
sample
 tests for me.  Thanks guys.
 
 ~Aaron Vose
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RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-24 Thread Steve Smith

Bravo Priscilla. It make your feel a little more comfortable that the
test are actually testing your knowledge and ability. If you have a test
that pools all your resources, not just what you read, it is more likely
to prove your true ability in a real world scenario. I still think there
should be some type of apprentice program, but that may be too much to
ask of people who want to get a cert just to get a decent paying job.

Hang in there Aaron, study hard and work hard. it will all come in time.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I
think
it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test.
It
validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who
has
just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
learning networking, design a network?

Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love
the
energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this

comment out of prejudice.

Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more
in
order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck!

Priscilla

At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I made
a 718
and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for
a
couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak
in, i
think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%.
So i
guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and
sample
tests for me.  Thanks guys.

~Aaron Vose
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RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-24 Thread Russ Kreigh

I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a
controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am
going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite a
bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX,
Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make
significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I am
just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to
consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a
difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it
has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job.

On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the next
month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my
CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life
experience in my job.

The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young
doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my age
also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't
really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen
careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their
co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept
that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job.

-Russ





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Priscilla Oppenheimer
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think
it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It
validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has
just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
learning networking, design a network?

Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the
energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this
comment out of prejudice.

Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in
order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck!

Priscilla

At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I made a
718
and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for a
couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i
think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%.  So i
guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and sample
tests for me.  Thanks guys.

~Aaron Vose
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Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-24 Thread Circusnuts

When I was 17 years old (1987), I washed chili pots @ the local greasy spoon
for $3 an hour... wondering how I was going to pay for college.  My senior
worked 9 to 4 (I worked 4 to 11, sometimes 12AM), made $5 an hour, only had
the cushy lunch crowd to contend with,  left the tough pots for me.

I feel your pain.

Pay your dues  change things when you get in a position to.

Phil



- Original Message -
From: Russ Kreigh 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:49 PM
Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a
 controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am
 going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite
a
 bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX,
 Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make
 significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I
am
 just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to
 consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a
 difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it
 has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job.

 On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the
next
 month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my
 CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life
 experience in my job.

 The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young
 doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my
age
 also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't
 really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen
 careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their
 co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept
 that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job.

 -Russ





 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Priscilla Oppenheimer
 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think
 it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It
 validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has
 just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
 learning networking, design a network?

 Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the
 energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
 believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
 amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this
 comment out of prejudice.

 Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in
 order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck!

 Priscilla

 At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
 Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I made a
 718
 and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for a
 couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in,
i
 think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
 Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%.  So
i
 guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and
sample
 tests for me.  Thanks guys.
 
 ~Aaron Vose
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Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]

2001-04-24 Thread Jason J. Roysdon

Study up and I'm sure you'll have it the next time.

Regarding the age thing, experience (not just knowledge) is often a factor.
Plus, what says you're not going to leave them as soon as you're able to
work full time?  More than likely this other employee isn't going to leave
as fast.

Don't worry, in a short while you'll have some years of experience under
your belt as well (often experience isn't seen just as knowledge or hands
on experience, but as years in the trenches).  Just keep at it, set your
goals and stick to them.  I'd also talk with your manager and see if they
see value to certs, and if so if you can work it into a way to get raises.

But when you think about it, most likely the CCDA doesn't hold that much
value at your current position, whereas a CCNA and CCNP would be seen as an
asset at an ISP (unless you're out selling design solutions to customers
like Howard, where it'd make more sense).

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Russ Kreigh  wrote in message
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 I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a
 controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am
 going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite
a
 bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX,
 Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make
 significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I
am
 just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to
 consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a
 difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it
 has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job.

 On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the
next
 month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my
 CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life
 experience in my job.

 The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young
 doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my
age
 also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't
 really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen
 careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their
 co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept
 that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job.

 -Russ





 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Priscilla Oppenheimer
 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


 I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think
 it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It
 validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has
 just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
 learning networking, design a network?

 Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the
 energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
 believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
 amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this
 comment out of prejudice.

 Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in
 order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck!

 Priscilla

 At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
 Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I made a
 718
 and i needed a 755 to pass  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for a
 couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in,
i
 think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
 Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%.  So
i
 guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and
sample
 tests for me.  Thanks guys.
 
 ~Aaron Vose
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