Hand over the domain with the phrase cisco to cisco.com?
Dear All Cisco GroupStudy Members, I would like to thank the Cisco GroupStudy Mailing List for the contribution on the Cisco Certification, and for the information which is very useful, with some have been put to my site: ciscosite.com. I have just received some messages stating that the ciscosite.com should be handed over to Cisco because of using the phrase "cisco" and because of the attached reasons. Does anyone of you have the problem like this, that the domain name should be handed over to Cisco? I would like to know this further because it's the only domain name I have ever registered right now, and I have promoted it even in my namecards. And concerning this, I have replied to Brobeck that I would better appeal this case to the GroupStudy first before making any further steps. So all of your suggestions are very expected. Thanks in advance for your comments regarding this. With Sincerity, Wisin http://www.ciscosite.com Attached message: Dear Wisin, I will respond to your questions in turn. First, while we appreciate your stated willingness to comply with Cisco's requests, we note that the changes we have requested have not been made to your site to date. Please ensure that these changes are completed by October 17, 2000. Second, the fact that a registrar permits registration of a domain name has no bearing on whether the domain name is in violation of another party's trademark rights. Registrars do not make independent determinations of the propriety of a domain name registration; they simply determine whether a name has been registered previously. The fact that you actually registered ciscosite.com does not give you the right to use Cisco's trademark as part of your domain name. Finally, Cisco does not provide compensation for the discontinued use of a domain name. Cisco will provide you with compensation for the actual cost of transferring the domain name to Cisco, and will permit you to use the domain name for a limited period of time for the sole purpose of informing users of the address of your new website. If you intend to use the site temporarily to direct people to your new site, please commence this use immediately and ensure that the site is taken down by October 17, 2000. Thank you for your continued cooperation. Sincerely, BROBECK PHLEGER HARRISON LLP http://www.brobeck.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It is not illegal to have the Cisco name in your domain name unless you use it for Cisco Systems content. After all, there is a Cisco fish, drink, city and kid to name just a few, and none of those are in violation of the Cisco Systems trademark. Tell them you'll hand it over for $10K or a free Catalyst 8500 if they want it that badly! :-) - Original Message - From: DotCom CiscoSite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:25 PM Subject: Hand over the domain with the phrase "cisco" to cisco.com? Dear All Cisco GroupStudy Members, I would like to thank the Cisco GroupStudy Mailing List for the contribution on the Cisco Certification, and for the information which is very useful, with some have been put to my site: ciscosite.com. I have just received some messages stating that the ciscosite.com should be handed over to Cisco because of using the phrase "cisco" and because of the attached reasons. Does anyone of you have the problem like this, that the domain name should be handed over to Cisco? I would like to know this further because it's the only domain name I have ever registered right now, and I have promoted it even in my namecards. And concerning this, I have replied to Brobeck that I would better appeal this case to the GroupStudy first before making any further steps. So all of your suggestions are very expected. Thanks in advance for your comments regarding this. With Sincerity, Wisin http://www.ciscosite.com Attached message: Dear Wisin, I will respond to your questions in turn. First, while we appreciate your stated willingness to comply with Cisco's requests, we note that the changes we have requested have not been made to your site to date. Please ensure that these changes are completed by October 17, 2000. Second, the fact that a registrar permits registration of a domain name has no bearing on whether the domain name is in violation of another party's trademark rights. Registrars do not make independent determinations of the propriety of a domain name registration; they simply determine whether a name has been registered previously. The fact that you actually registered ciscosite.com does not give you the right to use Cisco's trademark as part of your domain name. Finally, Cisco does not provide compensation for the discontinued use of a domain name. Cisco will provide you with compensation for the actual cost of transferring the domain name to Cisco, and will permit you to use the domain name for a limited period of time for the sole purpose of informing users of the address of your new website. If you intend to use the site temporarily to direct people to your new site, please commence this use immediately and ensure that the site is taken down by October 17, 2000. Thank you for your continued cooperation. Sincerely, BROBECK PHLEGER HARRISON LLP http://www.brobeck.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hand over the domain with the phrase cisco to cisco.com?
You know, come to think about it, Cisco is also a trademark of the Canadaigua Wine Company. Canadaigua's been around since 1945. Not sure how long they've been making Cisco wine but IIRC it's longer than Cisco Systems has been around. Boy, I bet the folks over at Canadaigua would like to hear about this. If trademark law works the way Cisco Systems says it works, Canadaigua owns the rights to cisco.com. I'm sure they'll be willing to sell it back for a small fee. And if they give me 5% of that for being nice enough to point it out to them I expect I'll be retiring to my private island soon. Woo-hoo! :Fuzz Who's now going to go shop for helicopters. On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, DotCom CiscoSite wrote: Dear All Cisco GroupStudy Members, I would like to thank the Cisco GroupStudy Mailing List for the contribution on the Cisco Certification, and for the information which is very useful, with some have been put to my site: ciscosite.com. I have just received some messages stating that the ciscosite.com should be handed over to Cisco because of using the phrase "cisco" and because of the attached reasons. Does anyone of you have the problem like this, that the domain name should be handed over to Cisco? I would like to know this further because it's the only domain name I have ever registered right now, and I have promoted it even in my namecards. And concerning this, I have replied to Brobeck that I would better appeal this case to the GroupStudy first before making any further steps. So all of your suggestions are very expected. Thanks in advance for your comments regarding this. With Sincerity, Wisin http://www.ciscosite.com Attached message: Dear Wisin, I will respond to your questions in turn. First, while we appreciate your stated willingness to comply with Cisco's requests, we note that the changes we have requested have not been made to your site to date. Please ensure that these changes are completed by October 17, 2000. Second, the fact that a registrar permits registration of a domain name has no bearing on whether the domain name is in violation of another party's trademark rights. Registrars do not make independent determinations of the propriety of a domain name registration; they simply determine whether a name has been registered previously. The fact that you actually registered ciscosite.com does not give you the right to use Cisco's trademark as part of your domain name. Finally, Cisco does not provide compensation for the discontinued use of a domain name. Cisco will provide you with compensation for the actual cost of transferring the domain name to Cisco, and will permit you to use the domain name for a limited period of time for the sole purpose of informing users of the address of your new website. If you intend to use the site temporarily to direct people to your new site, please commence this use immediately and ensure that the site is taken down by October 17, 2000. Thank you for your continued cooperation. Sincerely, BROBECK PHLEGER HARRISON LLP http://www.brobeck.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hand over the domain with the phrase cisco to cisco.com?
What they are asking is unwarranted, outrageous, and simply wrong. But how do you want to prove that? Cisco ( and every giant company for that matter ) has a herd of attorneys that can unleash after you like hyenas. For you to defend yourself, the first step is to retain an attorney with a retainer of about $5K. And that is just the beginning. The big companies know that individuals do not have that kind of budgets and this is how they always win. They win not because they are right, but because they can. You never know. Someday, when they are not chasing people like you, they would even claim San FranCisco to be handed over to them. Bernard Dear All Cisco GroupStudy Members, I would like to thank the Cisco GroupStudy Mailing List for the contribution on the Cisco Certification, and for the information which is very useful, with some have been put to my site: ciscosite.com. I have just received some messages stating that the ciscosite.com should be handed over to Cisco because of using the phrase "cisco" and because of the attached reasons. Does anyone of you have the problem SNIP _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hand over the domain with the phrase cisco to cisco.com?
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:36:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Some Cracked-Out Cisco Attorney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Nice Folks Who Run sanfrancisco.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: It's my domain! Put it in mah belly! Dear Nice Folks, I will respond to your questions in turn. First, while we appreciate your stated willingness to comply with Cisco's requests, we note that the changes we have requested have not been made to your site to date. Please ensure that these changes are completed by October 17, 2000. That's Ramafar, our blood feast day. Second, the fact that a registrar permits registration of a domain name has no bearing on whether the domain name is in violation of another party's trademark rights. Registrars do not make independent determinations of the propriety of a domain name registration; they simply determine whether a name has been registered previously. The fact that you actually registered sanfrancisco.com does not give you the right to use Cisco's trademark as part of your domain name. Third, despite the fact that 'San Francisco' is the name of a major US city and obviously in the public domain, Cisco Systems, Inc, neither the first nor the last company to trademark the name Cisco, nonetheless owns the rights to every domain name on the planet that contain the characters c-i-s-c-o in sequence. This is because we have a lot of money. When we have more money we plan to claim the rights to the alphabet lettes c, i, s, c and o, as well, so you may as well start phasing those out of your site while you're at it. Finally, Cisco does not provide compensation for the discontinued use of a domain name. Cisco will provide you with compensation for the actual cost of transferring the domain name to Cisco, and will permit you to use the domain name for a limited period of time for the sole purpose of informing users of the address of your new website. If you intend to use the site temporarily to direct people to your new site, please commence this use immediately and ensure that the site is taken down by October 17, 2000. You don't want to upset us on a blood feast day. Thank you for your continued cooperation. Sincerely, BROOBECK FLEGER HARROSON LLP http://www.broobeck.com Are you rich? No job too silly for us to take a crack at! _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The actual cost would be quite high by the time I figured in everything I could think of. Send them a bill for your efforts for however long you've had this site. If they balk, you could maybe turn it into a cisco-sucks site. snip Finally, Cisco does not provide compensation for the discontinued use of a domain name. Cisco will provide you with compensation for the actual cost of transferring the domain name to Cisco, and will permit you to use the domain name for a limited period of time for the sole purpose of informing users of the address of your new website. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Not only that but we have Sysco! By the way did I tell you about my Sysco Certifications? Nope, nope, not going there again. LOL whatshakin wrote: It is not illegal to have the Cisco name in your domain name unless you use it for Cisco Systems content. After all, there is a Cisco fish, drink, city and kid to name just a few, and none of those are in violation of the Cisco Systems trademark. Tell them you'll hand it over for $10K or a free Catalyst 8500 if they want it that badly! :-) Natasha Flazynski http://www.ciscobot.com My Cisco information site. http://www.botbuilders.com Artificial Intelligence and Linux development A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk, I have a work station... _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah - that's a good idea!!! Change your website to one that is a shrine to the Cisco beverage!!! I bet that they won't complain... Remove all of the info that pertains to Cisco Systems - all of it - and replace it with pictures of the Cisco drink and anecdotes about what you did when you drank it... Then tell the lawyers that you refuse to give up the domain, and tell them to examine the new content. I'd like to see if they just drop this witch hunt if the content does not include them, or if they continue... From: "whatshakin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "whatshakin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hand over the domain with the phrase "cisco" to cisco.com? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:08:00 -0700 It is not illegal to have the Cisco name in your domain name unless you use it for Cisco Systems content. After all, there is a Cisco fish, drink, city and kid to name just a few, and none of those are in violation of the Cisco Systems trademark. Tell them you'll hand it over for $10K or a free Catalyst 8500 if they want it that badly! :-) - Original Message - From: DotCom CiscoSite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:25 PM Subject: Hand over the domain with the phrase "cisco" to cisco.com? Dear All Cisco GroupStudy Members, I would like to thank the Cisco GroupStudy Mailing List for the contribution on the Cisco Certification, and for the information which is very useful, with some have been put to my site: ciscosite.com. I have just received some messages stating that the ciscosite.com should be handed over to Cisco because of using the phrase "cisco" and because of the attached reasons. Does anyone of you have the problem like this, that the domain name should be handed over to Cisco? I would like to know this further because it's the only domain name I have ever registered right now, and I have promoted it even in my namecards. And concerning this, I have replied to Brobeck that I would better appeal this case to the GroupStudy first before making any further steps. So all of your suggestions are very expected. Thanks in advance for your comments regarding this. With Sincerity, Wisin http://www.ciscosite.com Attached message: Dear Wisin, I will respond to your questions in turn. First, while we appreciate your stated willingness to comply with Cisco's requests, we note that the changes we have requested have not been made to your site to date. Please ensure that these changes are completed by October 17, 2000. Second, the fact that a registrar permits registration of a domain name has no bearing on whether the domain name is in violation of another party's trademark rights. Registrars do not make independent determinations of the propriety of a domain name registration; they simply determine whether a name has been registered previously. The fact that you actually registered ciscosite.com does not give you the right to use Cisco's trademark as part of your domain name. Finally, Cisco does not provide compensation for the discontinued use of a domain name. Cisco will provide you with compensation for the actual cost of transferring the domain name to Cisco, and will permit you to use the domain name for a limited period of time for the sole purpose of informing users of the address of your new website. If you intend to use the site temporarily to direct people to your new site, please commence this use immediately and ensure that the site is taken down by October 17, 2000. Thank you for your continued cooperation. Sincerely, BROBECK PHLEGER HARRISON LLP http://www.brobeck.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It seems like if they think you're infringing on their copyright, thats enough for them. I had to give up musicman.org because Musicman is a copyrighted trademark of ernie ball guitars. This is in spite of the fact that I was not selling anything, it was a .org site, and Musicman is also the name of some character in a play or something. Brian On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Dale Holmes wrote: Yeah - that's a good idea!!! Change your website to one that is a shrine to the Cisco beverage!!! I bet that they won't complain... Remove all of the info that pertains to Cisco Systems - all of it - and replace it with pictures of the Cisco drink and anecdotes about what you did when you drank it... Then tell the lawyers that you refuse to give up the domain, and tell them to examine the new content. I'd like to see if they just drop this witch hunt if the content does not include them, or if they continue... From: "whatshakin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "whatshakin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hand over the domain with the phrase "cisco" to cisco.com? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:08:00 -0700 It is not illegal to have the Cisco name in your domain name unless you use it for Cisco Systems content. After all, there is a Cisco fish, drink, city and kid to name just a few, and none of those are in violation of the Cisco Systems trademark. Tell them you'll hand it over for $10K or a free Catalyst 8500 if they want it that badly! :-) - Original Message - From: DotCom CiscoSite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:25 PM Subject: Hand over the domain with the phrase "cisco" to cisco.com? Dear All Cisco GroupStudy Members, I would like to thank the Cisco GroupStudy Mailing List for the contribution on the Cisco Certification, and for the information which is very useful, with some have been put to my site: ciscosite.com. I have just received some messages stating that the ciscosite.com should be handed over to Cisco because of using the phrase "cisco" and because of the attached reasons. Does anyone of you have the problem like this, that the domain name should be handed over to Cisco? I would like to know this further because it's the only domain name I have ever registered right now, and I have promoted it even in my namecards. And concerning this, I have replied to Brobeck that I would better appeal this case to the GroupStudy first before making any further steps. So all of your suggestions are very expected. Thanks in advance for your comments regarding this. With Sincerity, Wisin http://www.ciscosite.com Attached message: Dear Wisin, I will respond to your questions in turn. First, while we appreciate your stated willingness to comply with Cisco's requests, we note that the changes we have requested have not been made to your site to date. Please ensure that these changes are completed by October 17, 2000. Second, the fact that a registrar permits registration of a domain name has no bearing on whether the domain name is in violation of another party's trademark rights. Registrars do not make independent determinations of the propriety of a domain name registration; they simply determine whether a name has been registered previously. The fact that you actually registered ciscosite.com does not give you the right to use Cisco's trademark as part of your domain name. Finally, Cisco does not provide compensation for the discontinued use of a domain name. Cisco will provide you with compensation for the actual cost of transferring the domain name to Cisco, and will permit you to use the domain name for a limited period of time for the sole purpose of informing users of the address of your new website. If you intend to use the site temporarily to direct people to your new site, please commence this use immediately and ensure that the site is taken down by October 17, 2000. Thank you for your continued cooperation. Sincerely, BROBECK PHLEGER HARRISON LLP http://www.brobeck.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: Hand over the domain with the phrase cisco to cisco.com?
But his site does have Cisco content as well as a great deal of the data is coppied straing from their site. This is a problem. Secondly, I really would not want to mess with Cisco's legal dept. - Original Message - From: "whatshakin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 3:08 AM Subject: Re: Hand over the domain with the phrase "cisco" to cisco.com? It is not illegal to have the Cisco name in your domain name unless you use it for Cisco Systems content. After all, there is a Cisco fish, drink, city and kid to name just a few, and none of those are in violation of the Cisco Systems trademark. Tell them you'll hand it over for $10K or a free Catalyst 8500 if they want it that badly! :-) - Original Message - From: DotCom CiscoSite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:25 PM Subject: Hand over the domain with the phrase "cisco" to cisco.com? Dear All Cisco GroupStudy Members, I would like to thank the Cisco GroupStudy Mailing List for the contribution on the Cisco Certification, and for the information which is very useful, with some have been put to my site: ciscosite.com. I have just received some messages stating that the ciscosite.com should be handed over to Cisco because of using the phrase "cisco" and because of the attached reasons. Does anyone of you have the problem like this, that the domain name should be handed over to Cisco? I would like to know this further because it's the only domain name I have ever registered right now, and I have promoted it even in my namecards. And concerning this, I have replied to Brobeck that I would better appeal this case to the GroupStudy first before making any further steps. So all of your suggestions are very expected. Thanks in advance for your comments regarding this. With Sincerity, Wisin http://www.ciscosite.com Attached message: Dear Wisin, I will respond to your questions in turn. First, while we appreciate your stated willingness to comply with Cisco's requests, we note that the changes we have requested have not been made to your site to date. Please ensure that these changes are completed by October 17, 2000. Second, the fact that a registrar permits registration of a domain name has no bearing on whether the domain name is in violation of another party's trademark rights. Registrars do not make independent determinations of the propriety of a domain name registration; they simply determine whether a name has been registered previously. The fact that you actually registered ciscosite.com does not give you the right to use Cisco's trademark as part of your domain name. Finally, Cisco does not provide compensation for the discontinued use of a domain name. Cisco will provide you with compensation for the actual cost of transferring the domain name to Cisco, and will permit you to use the domain name for a limited period of time for the sole purpose of informing users of the address of your new website. If you intend to use the site temporarily to direct people to your new site, please commence this use immediately and ensure that the site is taken down by October 17, 2000. Thank you for your continued cooperation. Sincerely, BROBECK PHLEGER HARRISON LLP http://www.brobeck.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
