Re: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286]
I read Alt.certification but which posting are you referring to? -- Michael Damkot CCNP Technical Trainer Network Support Engineer II ""John Tudong"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > www.dejanews.com (now Google) > > ""Vyacheslav Luschinsky"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Our provider does not have this news group. Do you know any free web > access > > to news or to this news group? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=14697&t=9286 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't think they will (or should) drop any of the days. Although troubleshooting is the most common activity to a CCIE, I think is also important to know how to "build" a network from scratch. I think that what they're going to do is a mix of both days, just removing certification objectives already covered by CCNA and CCNP (as soon as they start requiring these certifications for a CCIE candidate). ER CCNA - Original Message - From: "Owned" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: Re: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] I think if they do drop the first day portion, it would probably be a much better test in regards to a real world scenario. Working as a 24/7 on call network engineer for a consulting firm, I rarely get a chance to actually physically see a network before I get the call "It's broken, please come and fix it now...oh, and by the way we're sorry but we don't have any current documentation of our network." At least in the test if they give you what it's supposed to be in documentation you're one step ahead of the game. Unless you're a on staff network engineer working 9-5 at one location, who knows the network by heart (and a quick phone call away from the TAC to back you up), a blind one day pure troubleshooting exam would be the ultimate test to qualify a true CCIExpert. In fact the one day test would still most likely be EASIER than a real world scenario, since in the test there aren't so many other variables to consider, including hardware failure, multi-vendor installations and yes the all popular end-user "modifications" :-) . In the real world it's you against the network and the only person you can depend on is yourself. I have only three years in this field and my goal to attain the CCIE is hopefully in my near future, but I want to earn the certificate to represent not just my study and test taking skills but the EXPERIENCE of many years hands on work. A CCIE cert should NOT be attainable by a canidate first, then used to go looking for a job... Just my take... :-) Owen Edwards MCSE+I / CCDP / CCNP - Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Skinner" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:01 AM Subject: RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] > you know, > > what makes me smile is that everyone seems to thinking this is a good > idea...NO > > let me see..on the current lab you have one day to build it and one day > to fix it.which day do we believe they will drop > > the first is the most obvious...which means > > > you walk in on day one to a blind network and have to fix it to get a > pass... > > you get A sheet of paper telling you what this network is SUPPOSED to be.. > > Anyone had to do that before??... i have and i know to go from NEVER > seeing a network to running at full speed to fix it and in one day is > not easy.it`s harder..much harder....... > > scared i can smell it > > > steve > > >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] > >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:03:39 -0400 > > > > >it's all over the CCIE list. Cisco is going to a one day lab. Speculation > >is > > >that they are eliminating all the B.S. and C.S. stuff. Some of us are > > >guessing that a candidate will walk into a router/switch pod that is > > >preconfigured with the basic stuff, and that to prove your CCIExpertise, > >you > > >will have to accomplish advanced tasks like redistribution, adding voice > >and > > >VPN's, maybe adding BGP, and fixing a couple of complex bugs. Pure > > >speculation at this point. I believe I read somewhere that Cisco will be > > >making a major announcement on the web site next week. > > > > > >Chuck > > > > > >Far be it from me to suggest they would do something so sensible, but > >wouldn't it help if they added simulation of the "basic stuff" on the > >written (or maybe call it the pretest?) > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:42 PM > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] > > > > > >Hi All... > > > > > >There is a post on the Usenet news group alt.certification.cisco that > >anyone > > >interested in the CCIE certification should read. The post is titled > > >"Changes to CCIE Exa
Re: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286]
Currently it's not required for a CCIE candidate to have CCNA or CCNP. Anyone can try CCIE with no other previous certification, although getting CCNA and CCNP it's usually a natural path to CCIE . Is this going to change?? - Original Message - From: "Chuck Larrieu" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:27 PM Subject: RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] Following is a major excerpt from the e-mail sent from Cisco. As you can see, the tack taken is that those on the CCNA/CCNP track should already have skills that are currently covered in the CCIE lab. It's no secret, and everyone who has been through the Lab will agree, that there are certain tasks that fall into the BS / CS category. I am hopeful that if this category is eliminated, then what is left will require a demonstration of expertise, and that the Lab will remain every bit as difficult and meaningful as it is today. Chuck Begin excerpt from Cisco e-mail > The CCIE Program team has been working hard to redesign, and greatly improve > our nine year old, performance based, certification format. We have several > objectives in mind including improved: efficiency, relevance, effectiveness > and challenge. We also want to properly position the CCIE level > certification content with that of the CCNA and CCNP certification tracks > which came into being well after the CCIE expert level program was > established. From the standpoint of our exam architecture, we needed to > migrate toward a model that will scale to demand and position us to take > advantage of innovative delivery options that better utilize technology and > reduce the need for travel. Primary among all these objectives is our > determination to maintain the legendary quality that is implicit in the CCIE > name and reputation. > > We began the process by identifying those aspects of our current CCIE lab > exam that are effectively covered in Cisco's CCNA and CCNP certification > programs. We also identified those skills that are tested several times > within the current exam. Content was evaluated based upon the objective of > ensuring that we were sufficiently covering all relevant topics. Where > appropriate, we shifted some of the lab's more fundamental, but still > necessary, questions into a new and expanded qualification exam. The > objective here is to do a better job of screening out candidates who would > have passed the current written qualification test with no realistic hope of > passing the lab exam. > > After strengthening the written qualification exam, eliminating duplication > and lower level tasks, we discovered that adding an additional hour of lab > time would allow us to deliver a higher quality CCIE lab exam in one > expanded day. The overall testing process is reduced by far less than a day > yet there is no longer a need for customers to invest in a second travel > day. > > There is no single consideration more important then the quality and > efficiency of this new exam so we have engaged several highly respected > industry notables in our beta testing process. It's too early for me to > announce the outcome of that process but I will say that the initial signs > look very good. We hope for and expect to get their constructive criticism > and plan to implement changes where necessary. If all goes well we will be > in a position to move forward with this improved format in August. > > In review, our new testing format is a vast departure from our traditional > approach in that it takes into account the existence of Cisco's CCNP and > CCNA certification programs. There is no longer a need for the CCIE exam to > certify a customer's proficiency in the area of intermediate networking > skills. Our charter is to certify at the expert level and we now assume > that, if the customer has passed our enhanced written qualification exam, > their fundamental skills exist. By designing this recognition into our lab > exam, we can eliminate time consuming questions that test and give points > for demonstrating lower level skills. If the customer does not have those > skills, they will simply fail the lab due to their inability to deal with > the pace and complexity of the enhanced CCIE lab exam. Solid trouble > shooting skills are also a required part of the customer's ability to master > the enhanced lab exam so there is no longer the need to devote an entire > section to trouble shooting. An individual who knows what they are doing > will find our enhanced lab exam quite challenging. Someone who has yet to > fully develop their skills will find it impossible. The net result of this > format is greater efficiency in testing coupled with greater respect for our > customer'
Re: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286]
I think if they do drop the first day portion, it would probably be a much better test in regards to a real world scenario. Working as a 24/7 on call network engineer for a consulting firm, I rarely get a chance to actually physically see a network before I get the call "It's broken, please come and fix it now...oh, and by the way we're sorry but we don't have any current documentation of our network." At least in the test if they give you what it's supposed to be in documentation you're one step ahead of the game. Unless you're a on staff network engineer working 9-5 at one location, who knows the network by heart (and a quick phone call away from the TAC to back you up), a blind one day pure troubleshooting exam would be the ultimate test to qualify a true CCIExpert. In fact the one day test would still most likely be EASIER than a real world scenario, since in the test there aren't so many other variables to consider, including hardware failure, multi-vendor installations and yes the all popular end-user "modifications" :-) . In the real world it's you against the network and the only person you can depend on is yourself. I have only three years in this field and my goal to attain the CCIE is hopefully in my near future, but I want to earn the certificate to represent not just my study and test taking skills but the EXPERIENCE of many years hands on work. A CCIE cert should NOT be attainable by a canidate first, then used to go looking for a job... Just my take... :-) Owen Edwards MCSE+I / CCDP / CCNP - Original Message - From: "Stephen Skinner" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:01 AM Subject: RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] > you know, > > what makes me smile is that everyone seems to thinking this is a good > idea...NO > > let me see..on the current lab you have one day to build it and one day > to fix it.which day do we believe they will drop > > the first is the most obvious...which means > > > you walk in on day one to a blind network and have to fix it to get a > pass... > > you get A sheet of paper telling you what this network is SUPPOSED to be.. > > Anyone had to do that before??... i have and i know to go from NEVER > seeing a network to running at full speed to fix it and in one day is > not easy.it`s harder..much harder... > > scared i can smell it > > > steve > > >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] > >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:03:39 -0400 > > > > >it's all over the CCIE list. Cisco is going to a one day lab. Speculation > >is > > >that they are eliminating all the B.S. and C.S. stuff. Some of us are > > >guessing that a candidate will walk into a router/switch pod that is > > >preconfigured with the basic stuff, and that to prove your CCIExpertise, > >you > > >will have to accomplish advanced tasks like redistribution, adding voice > >and > > >VPN's, maybe adding BGP, and fixing a couple of complex bugs. Pure > > >speculation at this point. I believe I read somewhere that Cisco will be > > >making a major announcement on the web site next week. > > > > > >Chuck > > > > > >Far be it from me to suggest they would do something so sensible, but > >wouldn't it help if they added simulation of the "basic stuff" on the > >written (or maybe call it the pretest?) > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:42 PM > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] > > > > > >Hi All... > > > > > >There is a post on the Usenet news group alt.certification.cisco that > >anyone > > >interested in the CCIE certification should read. The post is titled > > >"Changes to CCIE Exams Upcoming". I would just cut and paste it here, but > > >frankly it appears to be a email for the director of the CCIE program > >that > > >was not intended for the public. > > > > > >HTH > > >-- > > >John Hardman CCNP MCSE > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=9422&t=9286 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Try www.deja.com perhaps.. Bri - Original Message - From: "Vyacheslav Luschinsky" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 6:05 AM Subject: RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] > Our provider does not have this news group. Do you know any free web access > to news or to this news group? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=9413&t=9286 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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format will position us to handle the kind of exponential growth the CCIE program is seeing without having to make another significant program change for years to come. Proof is always in the pudding so I welcome the opportunity to have our enhanced CCIE lab exam evaluated objectively and on it's merits. - Original Message ----- From: "Vyacheslav Luschinsky" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:05 AM Subject: RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] > Our provider does not have this news group. Do you know any free web access > to news or to this news group? >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 21 09:54:08 2001 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 06:09:13 -0700 From: Stephen Ahearn To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] [ The following text is in the "iso-8859-1" character set. ] [ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. ] [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ] You can find a list of other news servers here: http://www.newzbot.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vyacheslav Luschinsky Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 6:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] Our provider does not have this news group. Do you know any free web access to news or to this news group? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=9339&t=9286 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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format will position us to handle the kind of exponential growth the CCIE program is seeing without having to make another significant program change for years to come. Proof is always in the pudding so I welcome the opportunity to have our enhanced CCIE lab exam evaluated objectively and on it's merits. - Original Message ----- From: "Vyacheslav Luschinsky" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:05 AM Subject: RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] > Our provider does not have this news group. Do you know any free web access > to news or to this news group? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=9338&t=9286 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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you know, what makes me smile is that everyone seems to thinking this is a good idea...NO let me see..on the current lab you have one day to build it and one day to fix it.which day do we believe they will drop the first is the most obvious...which means you walk in on day one to a blind network and have to fix it to get a pass... you get A sheet of paper telling you what this network is SUPPOSED to be.. Anyone had to do that before??... i have and i know to go from NEVER seeing a network to running at full speed to fix it and in one day is not easy.it`s harder..much harder... scared i can smell it steve >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:03:39 -0400 > > >it's all over the CCIE list. Cisco is going to a one day lab. Speculation >is > >that they are eliminating all the B.S. and C.S. stuff. Some of us are > >guessing that a candidate will walk into a router/switch pod that is > >preconfigured with the basic stuff, and that to prove your CCIExpertise, >you > >will have to accomplish advanced tasks like redistribution, adding voice >and > >VPN's, maybe adding BGP, and fixing a couple of complex bugs. Pure > >speculation at this point. I believe I read somewhere that Cisco will be > >making a major announcement on the web site next week. > > > >Chuck > > >Far be it from me to suggest they would do something so sensible, but >wouldn't it help if they added simulation of the "basic stuff" on the >written (or maybe call it the pretest?) > > > > >-Original Message- > >From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent:Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:42 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] > > > >Hi All... > > > >There is a post on the Usenet news group alt.certification.cisco that >anyone > >interested in the CCIE certification should read. The post is titled > >"Changes to CCIE Exams Upcoming". I would just cut and paste it here, but > >frankly it appears to be a email for the director of the CCIE program >that > >was not intended for the public. > > > >HTH > >-- > >John Hardman CCNP MCSE _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=9344&t=9286 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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istence and, from that perspective alone, it's the > best of the breed. Importantly however, this new format also positions us > to do some innovative things going forward that would not be possible > without these changes. The revised and improved format will position us to > handle the kind of exponential growth the CCIE program is seeing without > having to make another significant program change for years to come. -----Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Howard C. Berkowitz Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 7:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] >it's all over the CCIE list. Cisco is going to a one day lab. Speculation is >that they are eliminating all the B.S. and C.S. stuff. Some of us are >guessing that a candidate will walk into a router/switch pod that is >preconfigured with the basic stuff, and that to prove your CCIExpertise, you >will have to accomplish advanced tasks like redistribution, adding voice and >VPN's, maybe adding BGP, and fixing a couple of complex bugs. Pure >speculation at this point. I believe I read somewhere that Cisco will be >making a major announcement on the web site next week. > >Chuck Far be it from me to suggest they would do something so sensible, but wouldn't it help if they added simulation of the "basic stuff" on the written (or maybe call it the pretest?) > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:42 PM >To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] > >Hi All... > >There is a post on the Usenet news group alt.certification.cisco that anyone >interested in the CCIE certification should read. The post is titled >"Changes to CCIE Exams Upcoming". I would just cut and paste it here, but >frankly it appears to be a email for the director of the CCIE program that >was not intended for the public. > >HTH >-- >John Hardman CCNP MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=9351&t=9286 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ooh, I like that idea. From the sounds of it they want to make the written more difficult that it is right now. Adding reasonably complex simulated scenarios would definitely help to achieve that goal. After reading the post that started this all on alt.certification.cisco, my primary worry is that they're going to water down the test. The market is already flooded with CCNAs and has quite a large number of CCNPs, as well. Let's hope they don't make the lab so easy that the market gets flooded with CCIEs. That would only cheapen the value of the cert and I would *really* hate to see that happen. Right now, as far as certifications go, CCIE is the Stanley Cup. Too bad I'm not Joe Sakic, Ray Bourque, or Patrick Roy. :-) Anyway. back to my point. Getting the CCIE is really, really hard work. It takes dedication, committment, focus, and tenacity. If you get it you know you've accomplished something very substantial. If the test is watered down specifically to introduce more CCIEs to the market, then the cert wouldn't retain its luster. I really think if Cisco wanted to alleviate the backlog issue they could just add more testing siteslike maybe one in Denver! Seriously, I'm not sure I really see the need to change the exam format except for Cisco to be able to cram twice as many people into the existing exam sites and double their revenue. Smart business decision but it makes them look bad, I think. But, who knows what they're going to do just yet. I'll have to wait along with everyone else to see how this pans out. Perhaps it might be time to think about pursuing that Juniper cert. :-) Regards, John the Early Morning Rambler >>> "Howard C. Berkowitz" 6/21/01 8:03:39 AM >>> >it's all over the CCIE list. Cisco is going to a one day lab. Speculation is >that they are eliminating all the B.S. and C.S. stuff. Some of us are >guessing that a candidate will walk into a router/switch pod that is >preconfigured with the basic stuff, and that to prove your CCIExpertise, you >will have to accomplish advanced tasks like redistribution, adding voice and >VPN's, maybe adding BGP, and fixing a couple of complex bugs. Pure >speculation at this point. I believe I read somewhere that Cisco will be >making a major announcement on the web site next week. > >Chuck Far be it from me to suggest they would do something so sensible, but wouldn't it help if they added simulation of the "basic stuff" on the written (or maybe call it the pretest?) > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:42 PM >To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] > >Hi All... > >There is a post on the Usenet news group alt.certification.cisco that anyone >interested in the CCIE certification should read. The post is titled >"Changes to CCIE Exams Upcoming". I would just cut and paste it here, but >frankly it appears to be a email for the director of the CCIE program that >was not intended for the public. > >HTH >-- >John Hardman CCNP MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=9324&t=9286 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286]
>it's all over the CCIE list. Cisco is going to a one day lab. Speculation is >that they are eliminating all the B.S. and C.S. stuff. Some of us are >guessing that a candidate will walk into a router/switch pod that is >preconfigured with the basic stuff, and that to prove your CCIExpertise, you >will have to accomplish advanced tasks like redistribution, adding voice and >VPN's, maybe adding BGP, and fixing a couple of complex bugs. Pure >speculation at this point. I believe I read somewhere that Cisco will be >making a major announcement on the web site next week. > >Chuck Far be it from me to suggest they would do something so sensible, but wouldn't it help if they added simulation of the "basic stuff" on the written (or maybe call it the pretest?) > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:42 PM >To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] > >Hi All... > >There is a post on the Usenet news group alt.certification.cisco that anyone >interested in the CCIE certification should read. The post is titled >"Changes to CCIE Exams Upcoming". I would just cut and paste it here, but >frankly it appears to be a email for the director of the CCIE program that >was not intended for the public. > >HTH >-- >John Hardman CCNP MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=9316&t=9286 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Our provider does not have this news group. Do you know any free web access to news or to this news group? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=9296&t=9286 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286]
it's all over the CCIE list. Cisco is going to a one day lab. Speculation is that they are eliminating all the B.S. and C.S. stuff. Some of us are guessing that a candidate will walk into a router/switch pod that is preconfigured with the basic stuff, and that to prove your CCIExpertise, you will have to accomplish advanced tasks like redistribution, adding voice and VPN's, maybe adding BGP, and fixing a couple of complex bugs. Pure speculation at this point. I believe I read somewhere that Cisco will be making a major announcement on the web site next week. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286] Hi All... There is a post on the Usenet news group alt.certification.cisco that anyone interested in the CCIE certification should read. The post is titled "Changes to CCIE Exams Upcoming". I would just cut and paste it here, but frankly it appears to be a email for the director of the CCIE program that was not intended for the public. HTH -- John Hardman CCNP MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=9289&t=9286 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
