Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920]
I bought 02 books of ccbootcamp and the information isnot good.. J Jason wrote: Brad Ellis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jason, Hi! thanks for the information. what technical topics did we miss in our lab scenerios? also, here is the general list of equipment you can use to do our labs: I guess somehow this pass through my newsgroup reader without me noticing it. If I were to tell you what topic you missed, then obviously I'll be breaking the NDA. That's pretty much the list of gear that you need. When you say different equipment are you referring to the different cabling you need to do? There is a standard cabling methodology that we use on our racks so we do not have to re-cable the hardware. If you would like to know what that is, you can check out our website. As far as presentation goes, we have them on single sheets of paper so it makes it easier for you to do your labs. We could bind them together, but then it would make it much harder. Besides, do you really care if it looks pretty or not? The focus of our labs are to help you pass your CCIE, plain and simple. We go right for the throat, and don't mess around! :) Our scenarios our completely focused on the high-level engineer and expect the individual to really know there stuff. I thought I knew everything before I bought the bootcamp labs (and before I even knew of ccbootcamp). After I went through lab8, I realized how little I actually knew, and got my butt in gear for my studying. Anyway, I also have a standard cabling that works fine for me . I actually spent time going through the lab scenerios trying to figure out if my eqpt would works for the scenerio and how to optimize the eqpts placements , and that waste lots of time because it has to be repeated for every lab scenerio, I'm however glad that you are working on updating the scenerios. We are in the process of going through ALL of the labs, removing the errors, removing the old technologies, making the configs standardized for our racks (frame-relay interfaces, router #s, etc), and including pre-config files (for IP addresses, etc, like the new 1-day lab). It's not so much the binding as the quality of the presentation, I could scan a page and let everybody take a look at what I mean, part of the edge of the page is missing, etc..However, I don't see the point to that This info is just meant to help people decided ... The other problem is that the labs was standardise on your eqpt, i.e. if you have AGS, you assume everybody has AGS, etc... so it's difficult to find the exact number of interfaces, etc as what you have in the scenerios.. I would have replied personally, but you didnt include your email address. Sorry for the long winded response. Thanks for your input! No problem. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: www.ccbootcamp.com Jason wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm completely unbiased since I've bought both IPExperts and CCBootCamp (and Solutionlab too). The fact that I got solutionlab and IPExpert too does say something, CCBootCamp labs are not for everybody and doesn't covers everything. Having gone through both, I would say that CCBootCamp has been the defactor standard for CCIE preparation for a long time , but mistakes starts creeping in somewhere in Lab 16 onward although Lab 19 and Lab 20 improved since. Quick Comparision First Look : The first feeling is sort of disappointment, since it's a stack of papers, with no proper binding and even some info missing from the pages due to bad photocopying. If I would give CCBootCamp a 5/10 for this, then I must give IPExperts 9/10 for this. Workbook is properly binded and all printing done on glossy high quality papers . Diagrams are all in Colors and definitely not using your inkjet printer. Lab scenerios : CCBootCamp has more diverse labs , but is more distracting due to the different eqpt requirements in each lab scenerios. IPExperts builds on individual topics, making it easier to focus and also the standard lab setup makes it easier to setup the lab and focus on configurations. IP Experts breaks their lab into 19 topics and then 5 full scenerios. CCBootCamp scenerios is more tricky in certain ways. Recommendation : CCBootCamp for more experienced engineers and IPExperts for those who wants to focus on individual topics. If you are not sure , I suggest going for IPExperts first although I would give both 8/10 for the lab scenerios . Value for money : CCBootCamp is more expensive (about 50% more) , but has been around longer and has a proven ability to provides updates although somewhat
Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920]
Brad Ellis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jason, Hi! thanks for the information. what technical topics did we miss in our lab scenerios? also, here is the general list of equipment you can use to do our labs: I guess somehow this pass through my newsgroup reader without me noticing it. If I were to tell you what topic you missed, then obviously I'll be breaking the NDA. That's pretty much the list of gear that you need. When you say different equipment are you referring to the different cabling you need to do? There is a standard cabling methodology that we use on our racks so we do not have to re-cable the hardware. If you would like to know what that is, you can check out our website. As far as presentation goes, we have them on single sheets of paper so it makes it easier for you to do your labs. We could bind them together, but then it would make it much harder. Besides, do you really care if it looks pretty or not? The focus of our labs are to help you pass your CCIE, plain and simple. We go right for the throat, and don't mess around! :) Our scenarios our completely focused on the high-level engineer and expect the individual to really know there stuff. I thought I knew everything before I bought the bootcamp labs (and before I even knew of ccbootcamp). After I went through lab8, I realized how little I actually knew, and got my butt in gear for my studying. Anyway, I also have a standard cabling that works fine for me . I actually spent time going through the lab scenerios trying to figure out if my eqpt would works for the scenerio and how to optimize the eqpts placements , and that waste lots of time because it has to be repeated for every lab scenerio, I'm however glad that you are working on updating the scenerios. We are in the process of going through ALL of the labs, removing the errors, removing the old technologies, making the configs standardized for our racks (frame-relay interfaces, router #s, etc), and including pre-config files (for IP addresses, etc, like the new 1-day lab). It's not so much the binding as the quality of the presentation, I could scan a page and let everybody take a look at what I mean, part of the edge of the page is missing, etc..However, I don't see the point to that This info is just meant to help people decided ... The other problem is that the labs was standardise on your eqpt, i.e. if you have AGS, you assume everybody has AGS, etc... so it's difficult to find the exact number of interfaces, etc as what you have in the scenerios.. I would have replied personally, but you didnt include your email address. Sorry for the long winded response. Thanks for your input! No problem. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: www.ccbootcamp.com Jason wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm completely unbiased since I've bought both IPExperts and CCBootCamp (and Solutionlab too). The fact that I got solutionlab and IPExpert too does say something, CCBootCamp labs are not for everybody and doesn't covers everything. Having gone through both, I would say that CCBootCamp has been the defactor standard for CCIE preparation for a long time , but mistakes starts creeping in somewhere in Lab 16 onward although Lab 19 and Lab 20 improved since. Quick Comparision First Look : The first feeling is sort of disappointment, since it's a stack of papers, with no proper binding and even some info missing from the pages due to bad photocopying. If I would give CCBootCamp a 5/10 for this, then I must give IPExperts 9/10 for this. Workbook is properly binded and all printing done on glossy high quality papers . Diagrams are all in Colors and definitely not using your inkjet printer. Lab scenerios : CCBootCamp has more diverse labs , but is more distracting due to the different eqpt requirements in each lab scenerios. IPExperts builds on individual topics, making it easier to focus and also the standard lab setup makes it easier to setup the lab and focus on configurations. IP Experts breaks their lab into 19 topics and then 5 full scenerios. CCBootCamp scenerios is more tricky in certain ways. Recommendation : CCBootCamp for more experienced engineers and IPExperts for those who wants to focus on individual topics. If you are not sure , I suggest going for IPExperts first although I would give both 8/10 for the lab scenerios . Value for money : CCBootCamp is more expensive (about 50% more) , but has been around longer and has a proven ability to provides updates although somewhat irregular . IPExperts has not stated their official policy on updates, is it free or will there be some small fees. I have bought CCBootCamp more than a year ago and I'm still receiving updates free .
Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920]
--- Hansang Bae wrote: At 09:19 PM 11/15/2001 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] That being said I don't think any one lab manual will catch all the unusual stuff you could be presented with on the actual test, but you will have a solid chance. The book is decieving small in size. It takes FOREVER to actually go through it.Worth every penny. But isn't that what experience is all about? Since the advent of all these study guides/labs, I've seen some CCIEs who are about as qualified as a good experienced CCNA (not a hyperbole). Don't get me wrong, I bought one of these practice labs based on some recommendations, but it wasn't the reason why I passed. It's just a study guide - not a key to CCIE-kingdom. I think too many folks are counting on these guides (and only on these guides) to help them pass. hsb I agree that there can be too much emphasis on guides-to-passing-exams. They should compliment work experiece, not replace it. I have bought the IPexpert workbook (V 2.0) and I am very much looking forward to making use of all the exercises within it. I have also booked some online time to use their lab as it has more equipment within it than I have at home or at work. Reading through all the exercises it does seem very comprehensive and I would imagine that if you can configure all the labs within the suggested times in the book without recourse to the CD then you are definitely ready to take the lab with a realistic amount of confidence. My second lab attempt is on Feb 18, and some time after that (pass or fail) I will write a review of the workbook and post it on my web site - www.bensbookmarks.com. Regards, Ben = Ben Lovegrove, CCNP (+ Security) Redspan Solutions Ltd http://www.redspan.com http://www.bensbookmarks.com Cisco: Products, Training, Jobs, Study Guides, Resources. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=26462t=24920 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I wasn't trying to be mean at all. I'm sure they have a decent product. But my thought process is that ccbootcamp has a proven success record with teaching CCIE level material and I would prefer to stick with that type of history. Their website is www.ccbootcamp.com -Original Message- From: Thompson, Kenny (K.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:34 AM To: 'Jeremy Wright'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920] ouch! That was hard, but I think I will go with your suggestion Jeremy. In the mean time do you know the site for the ccboot camp so I can get the lab material. Rgds kenny -Original Message- From: Jeremy Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920] You've been selling your labs since July and no one has passed using them? I'd say they are a complete waste of money if that's the case. I've met the guys from ccbootcamp and I guarantee they run a first class operation. I think the smartest move is to use what has a proven track record in the CCIE process. From: Michael Cinquanti Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 6:12 PM Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920] I too am completely biased (since I'm the Publisher of CertificationZone and we sell the IPexpert Lab Workbook), but the fact that Mr. Ellis knows 150 CCIEs who have used his service does not support the idea that one Lab reference is the *best choice*. Since the ZONE has only been selling the IPexpert Lab Workbook since July, Brad knows that we do not yet have 150 customers who have used our book and passed the Lab Exam. But based on the way our book is flying off the shelf and based on the fact that qualified reviewers have told us that our reference is an excellent study tool, I suspect that it won't be too long before we do have that many CCIEs and more. As for constant updating, in the past three months, the IPexpert Workbook has been updated two times and already includes a sample lab in the new one-day format. Yet another Update is being prepared now and will be distributed, free-of-charge, to anyone who owns a previous version. We have also had people who've passed the lab and people who've failed the lab review our book from cover-to-cover. The results are unanimous. They think the IPexpert Book is a great preparation resource for the Lab Exam and worth every penny it costs. We've published one such review (from a guy who's currently preparing for his second Lab Exam attempt) at the ZONE website. We should have a second review (from a guy who's already earned his CCIE) posted at the site sometime this month. But I can't answer Pieter-Jan's original question -- and neither can Brad Ellis. Postings on Newsgroups and Mailing Lists can be helpful, but don't depend completely on what you read there. I urge all CCIE lab candidates looking for appropriate references to examine all the alternatives carefully. Visit the websites, use e-mail and those toll free phone numbers, examine the qualifications of the authors, ask for references, and contact those references directly. If you find two you like and can afford to do so, buy them both. Good luck with the Lab Exam. I am completely biased (since I am one of the owner's of NLI), but I do know of over 150 CCIE's that have used the ccbootcamp labs to get their CCIE...I havent heard of one CCIE yet that has used the other labs to get their #. :) Also, the bootcamp labs are constantly being updated and added on to. In fact, we are in the process of modifying all of our old labs by removing the obsolete technology and changing them to a 1-day format (which means we give you pre-config files with IP addresses, not a real big deal there). thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 Network Learning Inc www.ccbootcamp.com Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I'm looking to buy a CCIE Lab Workbook to prepare for my CCIE Lab in June 2002. I've found the following two on the net: - Certificationzone - IPexpert Lab Preparation Workbook 2.0 - CCBootcamp - CCIE LAB Package Subscription Has anybody used these and which one is considered the best choice? Regards, Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Mike Cinquanti President Genium Publishing Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=26378t=24920 -- FAQ, list
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ouch! That was hard, but I think I will go with your suggestion Jeremy. In the mean time do you know the site for the ccboot camp so I can get the lab material. Rgds kenny -Original Message- From: Jeremy Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920] You've been selling your labs since July and no one has passed using them? I'd say they are a complete waste of money if that's the case. I've met the guys from ccbootcamp and I guarantee they run a first class operation. I think the smartest move is to use what has a proven track record in the CCIE process. From: Michael Cinquanti Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 6:12 PM Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920] I too am completely biased (since I'm the Publisher of CertificationZone and we sell the IPexpert Lab Workbook), but the fact that Mr. Ellis knows 150 CCIEs who have used his service does not support the idea that one Lab reference is the *best choice*. Since the ZONE has only been selling the IPexpert Lab Workbook since July, Brad knows that we do not yet have 150 customers who have used our book and passed the Lab Exam. But based on the way our book is flying off the shelf and based on the fact that qualified reviewers have told us that our reference is an excellent study tool, I suspect that it won't be too long before we do have that many CCIEs and more. As for constant updating, in the past three months, the IPexpert Workbook has been updated two times and already includes a sample lab in the new one-day format. Yet another Update is being prepared now and will be distributed, free-of-charge, to anyone who owns a previous version. We have also had people who've passed the lab and people who've failed the lab review our book from cover-to-cover. The results are unanimous. They think the IPexpert Book is a great preparation resource for the Lab Exam and worth every penny it costs. We've published one such review (from a guy who's currently preparing for his second Lab Exam attempt) at the ZONE website. We should have a second review (from a guy who's already earned his CCIE) posted at the site sometime this month. But I can't answer Pieter-Jan's original question -- and neither can Brad Ellis. Postings on Newsgroups and Mailing Lists can be helpful, but don't depend completely on what you read there. I urge all CCIE lab candidates looking for appropriate references to examine all the alternatives carefully. Visit the websites, use e-mail and those toll free phone numbers, examine the qualifications of the authors, ask for references, and contact those references directly. If you find two you like and can afford to do so, buy them both. Good luck with the Lab Exam. I am completely biased (since I am one of the owner's of NLI), but I do know of over 150 CCIE's that have used the ccbootcamp labs to get their CCIE...I havent heard of one CCIE yet that has used the other labs to get their #. :) Also, the bootcamp labs are constantly being updated and added on to. In fact, we are in the process of modifying all of our old labs by removing the obsolete technology and changing them to a 1-day format (which means we give you pre-config files with IP addresses, not a real big deal there). thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 Network Learning Inc www.ccbootcamp.com Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I'm looking to buy a CCIE Lab Workbook to prepare for my CCIE Lab in June 2002. I've found the following two on the net: - Certificationzone - IPexpert Lab Preparation Workbook 2.0 - CCBootcamp - CCIE LAB Package Subscription Has anybody used these and which one is considered the best choice? Regards, Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Mike Cinquanti President Genium Publishing Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=26375t=24920 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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All, Currently I am using the IPexpert.net lab as part of my preperation. I am also getting ready for my second attempt at the one day lab. Having been through the new format, I am very comfortable that the IPexpert.net materials cover a VERY LARGE portion of the material you will need to know for the lab. That being said I don't think any one lab manual will catch all the unusual stuff you could be presented with on the actual test, but you will have a solid chance. The book is decieving small in size. It takes FOREVER to actually go through it.Worth every penny. David Hurbanis Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=26429t=24920 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Also, you can look on ebay. CCBootcamp is normally selling the labs for $50 to $75 off the website price. I am using both the ccbootcamp and IPexpert labs and am equally impressed with both. From: Thompson, Kenny (K.) Reply-To: Thompson, Kenny (K.) To: 'Jeremy Wright' , [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920] Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:33:55 -0500 ouch! That was hard, but I think I will go with your suggestion Jeremy. In the mean time do you know the site for the ccboot camp so I can get the lab material. Rgds kenny -Original Message- From: Jeremy Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920] You've been selling your labs since July and no one has passed using them? I'd say they are a complete waste of money if that's the case. I've met the guys from ccbootcamp and I guarantee they run a first class operation. I think the smartest move is to use what has a proven track record in the CCIE process. From: Michael Cinquanti Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 6:12 PM Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920] I too am completely biased (since I'm the Publisher of CertificationZone and we sell the IPexpert Lab Workbook), but the fact that Mr. Ellis knows 150 CCIEs who have used his service does not support the idea that one Lab reference is the *best choice*. Since the ZONE has only been selling the IPexpert Lab Workbook since July, Brad knows that we do not yet have 150 customers who have used our book and passed the Lab Exam. But based on the way our book is flying off the shelf and based on the fact that qualified reviewers have told us that our reference is an excellent study tool, I suspect that it won't be too long before we do have that many CCIEs and more. As for constant updating, in the past three months, the IPexpert Workbook has been updated two times and already includes a sample lab in the new one-day format. Yet another Update is being prepared now and will be distributed, free-of-charge, to anyone who owns a previous version. We have also had people who've passed the lab and people who've failed the lab review our book from cover-to-cover. The results are unanimous. They think the IPexpert Book is a great preparation resource for the Lab Exam and worth every penny it costs. We've published one such review (from a guy who's currently preparing for his second Lab Exam attempt) at the ZONE website. We should have a second review (from a guy who's already earned his CCIE) posted at the site sometime this month. But I can't answer Pieter-Jan's original question -- and neither can Brad Ellis. Postings on Newsgroups and Mailing Lists can be helpful, but don't depend completely on what you read there. I urge all CCIE lab candidates looking for appropriate references to examine all the alternatives carefully. Visit the websites, use e-mail and those toll free phone numbers, examine the qualifications of the authors, ask for references, and contact those references directly. If you find two you like and can afford to do so, buy them both. Good luck with the Lab Exam. I am completely biased (since I am one of the owner's of NLI), but I do know of over 150 CCIE's that have used the ccbootcamp labs to get their CCIE...I havent heard of one CCIE yet that has used the other labs to get their #. :) Also, the bootcamp labs are constantly being updated and added on to. In fact, we are in the process of modifying all of our old labs by removing the obsolete technology and changing them to a 1-day format (which means we give you pre-config files with IP addresses, not a real big deal there). thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 Network Learning Inc www.ccbootcamp.com Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I'm looking to buy a CCIE Lab Workbook to prepare for my CCIE Lab in June 2002. I've found the following two on the net: - Certificationzone - IPexpert Lab Preparation Workbook 2.0 - CCBootcamp - CCIE LAB Package Subscription Has anybody used these and which one is considered the best choice? Regards, Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Mike Cinquanti President Genium Publishing Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920]
At 09:19 PM 11/15/2001 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] That being said I don't think any one lab manual will catch all the unusual stuff you could be presented with on the actual test, but you will have a solid chance. The book is decieving small in size. It takes FOREVER to actually go through it.Worth every penny. But isn't that what experience is all about? Since the advent of all these study guides/labs, I've seen some CCIEs who are about as qualified as a good experienced CCNA (not a hyperbole). Don't get me wrong, I bought one of these practice labs based on some recommendations, but it wasn't the reason why I passed. It's just a study guide - not a key to CCIE-kingdom. I think too many folks are counting on these guides (and only on these guides) to help them pass. hsb Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=26448t=24920 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You've been selling your labs since July and no one has passed using them? I'd say they are a complete waste of money if that's the case. I've met the guys from ccbootcamp and I guarantee they run a first class operation. I think the smartest move is to use what has a proven track record in the CCIE process. From: Michael Cinquanti Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 6:12 PM Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920] I too am completely biased (since I'm the Publisher of CertificationZone and we sell the IPexpert Lab Workbook), but the fact that Mr. Ellis knows 150 CCIEs who have used his service does not support the idea that one Lab reference is the *best choice*. Since the ZONE has only been selling the IPexpert Lab Workbook since July, Brad knows that we do not yet have 150 customers who have used our book and passed the Lab Exam. But based on the way our book is flying off the shelf and based on the fact that qualified reviewers have told us that our reference is an excellent study tool, I suspect that it won't be too long before we do have that many CCIEs and more. As for constant updating, in the past three months, the IPexpert Workbook has been updated two times and already includes a sample lab in the new one-day format. Yet another Update is being prepared now and will be distributed, free-of-charge, to anyone who owns a previous version. We have also had people who've passed the lab and people who've failed the lab review our book from cover-to-cover. The results are unanimous. They think the IPexpert Book is a great preparation resource for the Lab Exam and worth every penny it costs. We've published one such review (from a guy who's currently preparing for his second Lab Exam attempt) at the ZONE website. We should have a second review (from a guy who's already earned his CCIE) posted at the site sometime this month. But I can't answer Pieter-Jan's original question -- and neither can Brad Ellis. Postings on Newsgroups and Mailing Lists can be helpful, but don't depend completely on what you read there. I urge all CCIE lab candidates looking for appropriate references to examine all the alternatives carefully. Visit the websites, use e-mail and those toll free phone numbers, examine the qualifications of the authors, ask for references, and contact those references directly. If you find two you like and can afford to do so, buy them both. Good luck with the Lab Exam. I am completely biased (since I am one of the owner's of NLI), but I do know of over 150 CCIE's that have used the ccbootcamp labs to get their CCIE...I havent heard of one CCIE yet that has used the other labs to get their #. :) Also, the bootcamp labs are constantly being updated and added on to. In fact, we are in the process of modifying all of our old labs by removing the obsolete technology and changing them to a 1-day format (which means we give you pre-config files with IP addresses, not a real big deal there). thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 Network Learning Inc www.ccbootcamp.com Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I'm looking to buy a CCIE Lab Workbook to prepare for my CCIE Lab in June 2002. I've found the following two on the net: - Certificationzone - IPexpert Lab Preparation Workbook 2.0 - CCBootcamp - CCIE LAB Package Subscription Has anybody used these and which one is considered the best choice? Regards, Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Mike Cinquanti President Genium Publishing Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=26303t=24920 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In all fairness, there are far more of us who have failed the Lab than passed, no matter what or whose study materials we've used. And there are plenty of CCIE's who earned theirs before any of these training aids were available. Bootcamp materials are an excellent source of ideas and inspiration. They are by no means the only source. A former boss of mine, a CCIE herself, told me several times that everything she needed to pass is available for free on CCO. It's all a matter of determination and effort. Best wishes Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeremy Wright Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920] You've been selling your labs since July and no one has passed using them? I'd say they are a complete waste of money if that's the case. I've met the guys from ccbootcamp and I guarantee they run a first class operation. I think the smartest move is to use what has a proven track record in the CCIE process. From: Michael Cinquanti Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 6:12 PM Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920] I too am completely biased (since I'm the Publisher of CertificationZone and we sell the IPexpert Lab Workbook), but the fact that Mr. Ellis knows 150 CCIEs who have used his service does not support the idea that one Lab reference is the *best choice*. Since the ZONE has only been selling the IPexpert Lab Workbook since July, Brad knows that we do not yet have 150 customers who have used our book and passed the Lab Exam. But based on the way our book is flying off the shelf and based on the fact that qualified reviewers have told us that our reference is an excellent study tool, I suspect that it won't be too long before we do have that many CCIEs and more. As for constant updating, in the past three months, the IPexpert Workbook has been updated two times and already includes a sample lab in the new one-day format. Yet another Update is being prepared now and will be distributed, free-of-charge, to anyone who owns a previous version. We have also had people who've passed the lab and people who've failed the lab review our book from cover-to-cover. The results are unanimous. They think the IPexpert Book is a great preparation resource for the Lab Exam and worth every penny it costs. We've published one such review (from a guy who's currently preparing for his second Lab Exam attempt) at the ZONE website. We should have a second review (from a guy who's already earned his CCIE) posted at the site sometime this month. But I can't answer Pieter-Jan's original question -- and neither can Brad Ellis. Postings on Newsgroups and Mailing Lists can be helpful, but don't depend completely on what you read there. I urge all CCIE lab candidates looking for appropriate references to examine all the alternatives carefully. Visit the websites, use e-mail and those toll free phone numbers, examine the qualifications of the authors, ask for references, and contact those references directly. If you find two you like and can afford to do so, buy them both. Good luck with the Lab Exam. I am completely biased (since I am one of the owner's of NLI), but I do know of over 150 CCIE's that have used the ccbootcamp labs to get their CCIE...I havent heard of one CCIE yet that has used the other labs to get their #. :) Also, the bootcamp labs are constantly being updated and added on to. In fact, we are in the process of modifying all of our old labs by removing the obsolete technology and changing them to a 1-day format (which means we give you pre-config files with IP addresses, not a real big deal there). thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 Network Learning Inc www.ccbootcamp.com Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I'm looking to buy a CCIE Lab Workbook to prepare for my CCIE Lab in June 2002. I've found the following two on the net: - Certificationzone - IPexpert Lab Preparation Workbook 2.0 - CCBootcamp - CCIE LAB Package Subscription Has anybody used these and which one is considered the best choice? Regards, Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Mike Cinquanti President Genium Publishing Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=26340t=24920 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jason, Hi! thanks for the information. what technical topics did we miss in our lab scenerios? also, here is the general list of equipment you can use to do our labs: 2x 2501s (R1, R4) 2x 2503s (for ISDN) (R5, R6) 1x 2511 (reverse telnet AS) (access-server, can also use for R9) 3x 2513s (TR/Ether) (R2, R3, R8) (or for R8 you can use a 4000M) 1x 2522 (frame-switch) (R7) 2x 36xx (voice/atm) (R13/R14, or R11/R12) ISDN Simulator Catalyst 5k switch: sup1/WS-X5213 3900 TR Switch LS1010 (to do most of the labs, you can get away with just the 2500 series routers, and skip the ATM/voice stuff. you can then do the ATM/voice stuff on a remote rack) That's pretty much the list of gear that you need. When you say different equipment are you referring to the different cabling you need to do? There is a standard cabling methodology that we use on our racks so we do not have to re-cable the hardware. If you would like to know what that is, you can check out our website. As far as presentation goes, we have them on single sheets of paper so it makes it easier for you to do your labs. We could bind them together, but then it would make it much harder. Besides, do you really care if it looks pretty or not? The focus of our labs are to help you pass your CCIE, plain and simple. We go right for the throat, and don't mess around! :) Our scenarios our completely focused on the high-level engineer and expect the individual to really know there stuff. I thought I knew everything before I bought the bootcamp labs (and before I even knew of ccbootcamp). After I went through lab8, I realized how little I actually knew, and got my butt in gear for my studying. We are in the process of going through ALL of the labs, removing the errors, removing the old technologies, making the configs standardized for our racks (frame-relay interfaces, router #s, etc), and including pre-config files (for IP addresses, etc, like the new 1-day lab). I would have replied personally, but you didnt include your email address. Sorry for the long winded response. Thanks for your input! thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: www.ccbootcamp.com Jason wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm completely unbiased since I've bought both IPExperts and CCBootCamp (and Solutionlab too). The fact that I got solutionlab and IPExpert too does say something, CCBootCamp labs are not for everybody and doesn't covers everything. Having gone through both, I would say that CCBootCamp has been the defactor standard for CCIE preparation for a long time , but mistakes starts creeping in somewhere in Lab 16 onward although Lab 19 and Lab 20 improved since. Quick Comparision First Look : The first feeling is sort of disappointment, since it's a stack of papers, with no proper binding and even some info missing from the pages due to bad photocopying. If I would give CCBootCamp a 5/10 for this, then I must give IPExperts 9/10 for this. Workbook is properly binded and all printing done on glossy high quality papers . Diagrams are all in Colors and definitely not using your inkjet printer. Lab scenerios : CCBootCamp has more diverse labs , but is more distracting due to the different eqpt requirements in each lab scenerios. IPExperts builds on individual topics, making it easier to focus and also the standard lab setup makes it easier to setup the lab and focus on configurations. IP Experts breaks their lab into 19 topics and then 5 full scenerios. CCBootCamp scenerios is more tricky in certain ways. Recommendation : CCBootCamp for more experienced engineers and IPExperts for those who wants to focus on individual topics. If you are not sure , I suggest going for IPExperts first although I would give both 8/10 for the lab scenerios . Value for money : CCBootCamp is more expensive (about 50% more) , but has been around longer and has a proven ability to provides updates although somewhat irregular . IPExperts has not stated their official policy on updates, is it free or will there be some small fees. I have bought CCBootCamp more than a year ago and I'm still receiving updates free . Looking at the bigger picture, would $200 differences makes a huge differences to you if you divided it by 12 months ? On the other hand, IPExperts has also provided a couple of updates since they started and has proven to be responsive to comments. All in, I still find both good and I believe that the competitions would only lead them to improve their services. If you have the $$$, get both, otherwise, IPExperts would be a good choice. Michael Cinquanti wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I too am completely biased (since I'm the Publisher of CertificationZone and we sell the IPexpert Lab Workbook), but the fact that
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this is a bit nit-picky, but it is irritating to rent bootcamp rack time, and spend a significant amount of it hassling with the cabling that does not match the lab diagrams. which end is DCE, which end is DTE, and finding you have to cross reference with the updated web pages for the new rack equipment. BTW, none of the rack rental places make me happy. start times are east coast, and I live on the west coast. I do not enjoy the early start, lazy as I am. when the real Lab moved the start date up an hour I cried ;- the material in bootcamp is good stuff. I am NOT knocking it. however, being older, and based on now obsolete lab requirements, some of the stuff is a bit distracting. yeah, I know, skip over it. still one more thing - the ip addressing - particularly for the device that used to be but no longer is the term server. the material really COULD use a revision. same way that writers update their books based on new technology and new techniques. I suppose one COULD argue that this is the kind of real world one constantly walks into. :- Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad Ellis Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 7:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920] Jason, Hi! thanks for the information. what technical topics did we miss in our lab scenerios? also, here is the general list of equipment you can use to do our labs: 2x 2501s (R1, R4) 2x 2503s (for ISDN) (R5, R6) 1x 2511 (reverse telnet AS) (access-server, can also use for R9) 3x 2513s (TR/Ether) (R2, R3, R8) (or for R8 you can use a 4000M) 1x 2522 (frame-switch) (R7) 2x 36xx (voice/atm) (R13/R14, or R11/R12) ISDN Simulator Catalyst 5k switch: sup1/WS-X5213 3900 TR Switch LS1010 (to do most of the labs, you can get away with just the 2500 series routers, and skip the ATM/voice stuff. you can then do the ATM/voice stuff on a remote rack) That's pretty much the list of gear that you need. When you say different equipment are you referring to the different cabling you need to do? There is a standard cabling methodology that we use on our racks so we do not have to re-cable the hardware. If you would like to know what that is, you can check out our website. As far as presentation goes, we have them on single sheets of paper so it makes it easier for you to do your labs. We could bind them together, but then it would make it much harder. Besides, do you really care if it looks pretty or not? The focus of our labs are to help you pass your CCIE, plain and simple. We go right for the throat, and don't mess around! :) Our scenarios our completely focused on the high-level engineer and expect the individual to really know there stuff. I thought I knew everything before I bought the bootcamp labs (and before I even knew of ccbootcamp). After I went through lab8, I realized how little I actually knew, and got my butt in gear for my studying. We are in the process of going through ALL of the labs, removing the errors, removing the old technologies, making the configs standardized for our racks (frame-relay interfaces, router #s, etc), and including pre-config files (for IP addresses, etc, like the new 1-day lab). I would have replied personally, but you didnt include your email address. Sorry for the long winded response. Thanks for your input! thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: www.ccbootcamp.com Jason wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm completely unbiased since I've bought both IPExperts and CCBootCamp (and Solutionlab too). The fact that I got solutionlab and IPExpert too does say something, CCBootCamp labs are not for everybody and doesn't covers everything. Having gone through both, I would say that CCBootCamp has been the defactor standard for CCIE preparation for a long time , but mistakes starts creeping in somewhere in Lab 16 onward although Lab 19 and Lab 20 improved since. Quick Comparision First Look : The first feeling is sort of disappointment, since it's a stack of papers, with no proper binding and even some info missing from the pages due to bad photocopying. If I would give CCBootCamp a 5/10 for this, then I must give IPExperts 9/10 for this. Workbook is properly binded and all printing done on glossy high quality papers . Diagrams are all in Colors and definitely not using your inkjet printer. Lab scenerios : CCBootCamp has more diverse labs , but is more distracting due to the different eqpt requirements in each lab scenerios. IPExperts builds on individual topics, making it easier to focus and also the standard lab setup makes it easier to setup the lab and focus on configurations. IP Experts breaks their lab into 19 topics and then 5 full scenerios. CCBootCamp s
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Chuck, As I stated in my previous post, We are in the process of going through ALL of the labs, removing the errors, removing the old technologies, making the configs standardized for our racks (frame-relay interfaces, router #s, etc), and including pre-config files (for IP addresses, etc, like the new 1-day lab). Part of the planned changes for the revised labs will reflect the actual interfaces for the routers in our remote racks. (The interfaces in the diagrams will match up with our remote racks). We should have the revised versions released within the next few months. I do have a revised 1-day beta version of Lab19 if you are interested in giving that a run. Let me know (or just email me your FAX # and I will send them out later on Monday). thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: www.ccbootcamp.com Chuck Larrieu wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... this is a bit nit-picky, but it is irritating to rent bootcamp rack time, and spend a significant amount of it hassling with the cabling that does not match the lab diagrams. which end is DCE, which end is DTE, and finding you have to cross reference with the updated web pages for the new rack equipment. BTW, none of the rack rental places make me happy. start times are east coast, and I live on the west coast. I do not enjoy the early start, lazy as I am. when the real Lab moved the start date up an hour I cried ;- the material in bootcamp is good stuff. I am NOT knocking it. however, being older, and based on now obsolete lab requirements, some of the stuff is a bit distracting. yeah, I know, skip over it. still one more thing - the ip addressing - particularly for the device that used to be but no longer is the term server. the material really COULD use a revision. same way that writers update their books based on new technology and new techniques. I suppose one COULD argue that this is the kind of real world one constantly walks into. :- Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad Ellis Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 7:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920] Jason, Hi! thanks for the information. what technical topics did we miss in our lab scenerios? also, here is the general list of equipment you can use to do our labs: 2x 2501s (R1, R4) 2x 2503s (for ISDN) (R5, R6) 1x 2511 (reverse telnet AS) (access-server, can also use for R9) 3x 2513s (TR/Ether) (R2, R3, R8) (or for R8 you can use a 4000M) 1x 2522 (frame-switch) (R7) 2x 36xx (voice/atm) (R13/R14, or R11/R12) ISDN Simulator Catalyst 5k switch: sup1/WS-X5213 3900 TR Switch LS1010 (to do most of the labs, you can get away with just the 2500 series routers, and skip the ATM/voice stuff. you can then do the ATM/voice stuff on a remote rack) That's pretty much the list of gear that you need. When you say different equipment are you referring to the different cabling you need to do? There is a standard cabling methodology that we use on our racks so we do not have to re-cable the hardware. If you would like to know what that is, you can check out our website. As far as presentation goes, we have them on single sheets of paper so it makes it easier for you to do your labs. We could bind them together, but then it would make it much harder. Besides, do you really care if it looks pretty or not? The focus of our labs are to help you pass your CCIE, plain and simple. We go right for the throat, and don't mess around! :) Our scenarios our completely focused on the high-level engineer and expect the individual to really know there stuff. I thought I knew everything before I bought the bootcamp labs (and before I even knew of ccbootcamp). After I went through lab8, I realized how little I actually knew, and got my butt in gear for my studying. We are in the process of going through ALL of the labs, removing the errors, removing the old technologies, making the configs standardized for our racks (frame-relay interfaces, router #s, etc), and including pre-config files (for IP addresses, etc, like the new 1-day lab). I would have replied personally, but you didnt include your email address. Sorry for the long winded response. Thanks for your input! thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: www.ccbootcamp.com Jason wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm completely unbiased since I've bought both IPExperts and CCBootCamp (and Solutionlab too). The fact that I got solutionlab and IPExpert too does say something, CCBootCamp labs are not for everybody an
Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920]
I'm completely unbiased since I've bought both IPExperts and CCBootCamp (and Solutionlab too). The fact that I got solutionlab and IPExpert too does say something, CCBootCamp labs are not for everybody and doesn't covers everything. Having gone through both, I would say that CCBootCamp has been the defactor standard for CCIE preparation for a long time , but mistakes starts creeping in somewhere in Lab 16 onward although Lab 19 and Lab 20 improved since. Quick Comparision First Look : The first feeling is sort of disappointment, since it's a stack of papers, with no proper binding and even some info missing from the pages due to bad photocopying. If I would give CCBootCamp a 5/10 for this, then I must give IPExperts 9/10 for this. Workbook is properly binded and all printing done on glossy high quality papers . Diagrams are all in Colors and definitely not using your inkjet printer. Lab scenerios : CCBootCamp has more diverse labs , but is more distracting due to the different eqpt requirements in each lab scenerios. IPExperts builds on individual topics, making it easier to focus and also the standard lab setup makes it easier to setup the lab and focus on configurations. IP Experts breaks their lab into 19 topics and then 5 full scenerios. CCBootCamp scenerios is more tricky in certain ways. Recommendation : CCBootCamp for more experienced engineers and IPExperts for those who wants to focus on individual topics. If you are not sure , I suggest going for IPExperts first although I would give both 8/10 for the lab scenerios . Value for money : CCBootCamp is more expensive (about 50% more) , but has been around longer and has a proven ability to provides updates although somewhat irregular . IPExperts has not stated their official policy on updates, is it free or will there be some small fees. I have bought CCBootCamp more than a year ago and I'm still receiving updates free . Looking at the bigger picture, would $200 differences makes a huge differences to you if you divided it by 12 months ? On the other hand, IPExperts has also provided a couple of updates since they started and has proven to be responsive to comments. All in, I still find both good and I believe that the competitions would only lead them to improve their services. If you have the $$$, get both, otherwise, IPExperts would be a good choice. Michael Cinquanti wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I too am completely biased (since I'm the Publisher of CertificationZone and we sell the IPexpert Lab Workbook), but the fact that Mr. Ellis knows 150 CCIEs who have used his service does not support the idea that one Lab reference is the *best choice*. Since the ZONE has only been selling the IPexpert Lab Workbook since July, Brad knows that we do not yet have 150 customers who have used our book and passed the Lab Exam. But based on the way our book is flying off the shelf and based on the fact that qualified reviewers have told us that our reference is an excellent study tool, I suspect that it won't be too long before we do have that many CCIEs and more. As for constant updating, in the past three months, the IPexpert Workbook has been updated two times and already includes a sample lab in the new one-day format. Yet another Update is being prepared now and will be distributed, free-of-charge, to anyone who owns a previous version. We have also had people who've passed the lab and people who've failed the lab review our book from cover-to-cover. The results are unanimous. They think the IPexpert Book is a great preparation resource for the Lab Exam and worth every penny it costs. We've published one such review (from a guy who's currently preparing for his second Lab Exam attempt) at the ZONE website. We should have a second review (from a guy who's already earned his CCIE) posted at the site sometime this month. But I can't answer Pieter-Jan's original question -- and neither can Brad Ellis. Postings on Newsgroups and Mailing Lists can be helpful, but don't depend completely on what you read there. I urge all CCIE lab candidates looking for appropriate references to examine all the alternatives carefully. Visit the websites, use e-mail and those toll free phone numbers, examine the qualifications of the authors, ask for references, and contact those references directly. If you find two you like and can afford to do so, buy them both. Good luck with the Lab Exam. I am completely biased (since I am one of the owner's of NLI), but I do know of over 150 CCIE's that have used the ccbootcamp labs to get their CCIE...I havent heard of one CCIE yet that has used the other labs to get their #. :) Also, the bootcamp labs are constantly being updated and added on to. In fact, we are in the process of modifying all of our old labs by removing the obsolete technology and changing them to a 1-day format (which means we give you pre-config files with IP addresses, not a real big deal
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Hey Pieter, You have the same certs as I do. Where do you live? and how many years of experience do you have? I'm curious 'cause I'm having a hard time landing a decent job and need some comparison. I'm working on my CCIE as well. As for the question you posted I did the same posting and didn't get any opinions on the IPexpert Lab from Certificationzone. On CCIE I know said it was a good book but I still don't know if it's worth the $400 price tag. Thanks Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I'm looking to buy a CCIE Lab Workbook to prepare for my CCIE Lab in June 2002. I've found the following two on the net: - Certificationzone - IPexpert Lab Preparation Workbook 2.0 - CCBootcamp - CCIE LAB Package Subscription Has anybody used these and which one is considered the best choice? Regards, Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=24990t=24920 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am completely biased (since I am one of the owner's of NLI), but I do know of over 150 CCIE's that have used the ccbootcamp labs to get their CCIE...I havent heard of one CCIE yet that has used the other labs to get their #. :) Also, the bootcamp labs are constantly being updated and added on to. In fact, we are in the process of modifying all of our old labs by removing the obsolete technology and changing them to a 1-day format (which means we give you pre-config files with IP addresses, not a real big deal there). thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 Network Learning Inc www.ccbootcamp.com Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I'm looking to buy a CCIE Lab Workbook to prepare for my CCIE Lab in June 2002. I've found the following two on the net: - Certificationzone - IPexpert Lab Preparation Workbook 2.0 - CCBootcamp - CCIE LAB Package Subscription Has anybody used these and which one is considered the best choice? Regards, Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=25027t=24920 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
