RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465]
What the hell, get them all. In fact, buy two sets since money seems to be no object to any of you. :-) I still can't understand all the hype over Boson when there are much better and less expensive alternatives out there. Hell, I've even written materials for Boson/Quizware but still feel that everyone could pass their exams using less expensive methods. Just my opinion because this forum is for helping people out. So look around a little before rushing out to buy the almighty overpriced Boson. Sorry, just a little grumpy this morning. I think I just realized how underpaid I really am! Just thankful to have a job right now, though! Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Kris Keen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stupid Question time [7:41465] Champ , cheers What Boson do you recommend? is yours, #3 the best or should I get them all? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41578t=41465 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid Question time [7:41465]
Name one alternative that's cheaper AND offers the flexibility, options (like toggling the score meter, showing answers ONLY when you're wrong WITH references to published explanations of the answers), and quality (not so say I've never seen a wrong answer on a Boson exam, but way better than the quality of a Brainbuzz cramsheet, etc). I don't mean my above comment in a smart ass way, because I'd really be interested in an alternative, but to simply pop into the group and make such statements without even a single URL or name of what you consider much better and less expensive doesn't lend much credibility to what you say. Mike W. Kaminski, Shawn G wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... What the hell, get them all. In fact, buy two sets since money seems to be no object to any of you. :-) I still can't understand all the hype over Boson when there are much better and less expensive alternatives out there. Hell, I've even written materials for Boson/Quizware but still feel that everyone could pass their exams using less expensive methods. Just my opinion because this forum is for helping people out. So look around a little before rushing out to buy the almighty overpriced Boson. Sorry, just a little grumpy this morning. I think I just realized how underpaid I really am! Just thankful to have a job right now, though! Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Kris Keen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stupid Question time [7:41465] Champ , cheers What Boson do you recommend? is yours, #3 the best or should I get them all? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41587t=41465 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465]
CCxx Productions and, soon, Network Learning. Disclaimer: I have also written materials for CCxx Productions and am working on some stuff for Network Learning -Original Message- From: Tom Monte [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:00 AM To: 'Kaminski, Shawn G' Subject: RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465] what are the other options that are as good as Boson and cheaper? -Original Message- From: Kaminski, Shawn G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 7:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465] What the hell, get them all. In fact, buy two sets since money seems to be no object to any of you. :-) I still can't understand all the hype over Boson when there are much better and less expensive alternatives out there. Hell, I've even written materials for Boson/Quizware but still feel that everyone could pass their exams using less expensive methods. Just my opinion because this forum is for helping people out. So look around a little before rushing out to buy the almighty overpriced Boson. Sorry, just a little grumpy this morning. I think I just realized how underpaid I really am! Just thankful to have a job right now, though! Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Kris Keen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Stupid Question time [7:41465] Champ , cheers What Boson do you recommend? is yours, #3 the best or should I get them all? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the message and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and contact the sender by return e-mail. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41624t=41465 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465]
CCxx Productions, and soon, Network Learning. Disclaimer: I have written materials for CCxx Productions and am working on stuff for Network Learning -Original Message- From: Michael L. Williams [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stupid Question time [7:41465] Name one alternative that's cheaper AND offers the flexibility, options (like toggling the score meter, showing answers ONLY when you're wrong WITH references to published explanations of the answers), and quality (not so say I've never seen a wrong answer on a Boson exam, but way better than the quality of a Brainbuzz cramsheet, etc). I don't mean my above comment in a smart ass way, because I'd really be interested in an alternative, but to simply pop into the group and make such statements without even a single URL or name of what you consider much better and less expensive doesn't lend much credibility to what you say. Mike W. Kaminski, Shawn G wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... What the hell, get them all. In fact, buy two sets since money seems to be no object to any of you. :-) I still can't understand all the hype over Boson when there are much better and less expensive alternatives out there. Hell, I've even written materials for Boson/Quizware but still feel that everyone could pass their exams using less expensive methods. Just my opinion because this forum is for helping people out. So look around a little before rushing out to buy the almighty overpriced Boson. Sorry, just a little grumpy this morning. I think I just realized how underpaid I really am! Just thankful to have a job right now, though! Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Kris Keen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stupid Question time [7:41465] Champ , cheers What Boson do you recommend? is yours, #3 the best or should I get them all? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41626t=41465 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465]
I didn't just pop into the group. I have been a member of this group for quite a while. I don't post very often because I find it nearly impossible to go over every message that comes into the group and try to offer a solution because of my job (Network Engineer at EDS) and all my other activities. I don't know how some of you guys and gals do it, but appreciate all the time you put into this and the answers you provide. I have learned more from this group than you can imagine. I usually post answers to certification questions because I have written many practice tests for CCxx Productions, did some work with Boson/Quizware, and am currently working on stuff for Network Learning (NLI). I have done a lot of research on this kind of stuff and you wouldn't believe the rip-offs out there. I believe that Boson has good quality products, but I'm just trying to let people know that there are other alternatives besides Boson, Boson, Boson. It's like a cult with this group. Even though I have a financial interest in most of these companies, I want to help people out by letting them know that there are other quality options that can save people a lot of money. I mean, would you rather spend $119.85 for all the Boson CCIE Written materials or spend $29.95 with CCxx and get it all in one package? Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Michael L. Williams [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stupid Question time [7:41465] Name one alternative that's cheaper AND offers the flexibility, options (like toggling the score meter, showing answers ONLY when you're wrong WITH references to published explanations of the answers), and quality (not so say I've never seen a wrong answer on a Boson exam, but way better than the quality of a Brainbuzz cramsheet, etc). I don't mean my above comment in a smart ass way, because I'd really be interested in an alternative, but to simply pop into the group and make such statements without even a single URL or name of what you consider much better and less expensive doesn't lend much credibility to what you say. Mike W. Kaminski, Shawn G wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... What the hell, get them all. In fact, buy two sets since money seems to be no object to any of you. :-) I still can't understand all the hype over Boson when there are much better and less expensive alternatives out there. Hell, I've even written materials for Boson/Quizware but still feel that everyone could pass their exams using less expensive methods. Just my opinion because this forum is for helping people out. So look around a little before rushing out to buy the almighty overpriced Boson. Sorry, just a little grumpy this morning. I think I just realized how underpaid I really am! Just thankful to have a job right now, though! Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Kris Keen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stupid Question time [7:41465] Champ , cheers What Boson do you recommend? is yours, #3 the best or should I get them all? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41631t=41465 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465]
Everybody else is bad except Network Learning, because you work for Network Learning and have written materials for CCXX productions? This is what I call an unbiased, honest opinion!! A Strobel Quoting Kaminski, Shawn G : CCxx Productions, and soon, Network Learning. Disclaimer: I have written materials for CCxx Productions and am working on stuff for Network Learning -Original Message- From: Michael L. Williams [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Stupid Question time [7:41465] Name one alternative that's cheaper AND offers the flexibility, options (like toggling the score meter, showing answers ONLY when you're wrong WITH references to published explanations of the answers), and quality (not so say I've never seen a wrong answer on a Boson exam, but way better than the quality of a Brainbuzz cramsheet, etc). I don't mean my above comment in a smart ass way, because I'd really be interested in an alternative, but to simply pop into the group and make such statements without even a single URL or name of what you consider much better and less expensive doesn't lend much credibility to what you say. Mike W. Kaminski, Shawn G wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... What the hell, get them all. In fact, buy two sets since money seems to be no object to any of you. :-) I still can't understand all the hype over Boson when there are much better and less expensive alternatives out there. Hell, I've even written materials for Boson/Quizware but still feel that everyone could pass their exams using less expensive methods. Just my opinion because this forum is for helping people out. So look around a little before rushing out to buy the almighty overpriced Boson. Sorry, just a little grumpy this morning. I think I just realized how underpaid I really am! Just thankful to have a job right now, though! Shawn K. -_-_-_ Mail3000 gives you 30 Megs of Email space free -_-_- This mail sent through http://mail3000.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41637t=41465 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465]
You didn't read my other posts carefully. I didn't say that evebody else is bad. I'm just offering an optional solution to try to help people save money on their study materials. It isn't any different than any one of you offering a solution to a different problem on this message board. Also, I don't work for Network Learning, I work for EDS. Shawn K. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 3:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465] Everybody else is bad except Network Learning, because you work for Network Learning and have written materials for CCXX productions? This is what I call an unbiased, honest opinion!! A Strobel Quoting Kaminski, Shawn G : CCxx Productions, and soon, Network Learning. Disclaimer: I have written materials for CCxx Productions and am working on stuff for Network Learning -Original Message- From: Michael L. Williams [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stupid Question time [7:41465] Name one alternative that's cheaper AND offers the flexibility, options (like toggling the score meter, showing answers ONLY when you're wrong WITH references to published explanations of the answers), and quality (not so say I've never seen a wrong answer on a Boson exam, but way better than the quality of a Brainbuzz cramsheet, etc). I don't mean my above comment in a smart ass way, because I'd really be interested in an alternative, but to simply pop into the group and make such statements without even a single URL or name of what you consider much better and less expensive doesn't lend much credibility to what you say. Mike W. Kaminski, Shawn G wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... What the hell, get them all. In fact, buy two sets since money seems to be no object to any of you. :-) I still can't understand all the hype over Boson when there are much better and less expensive alternatives out there. Hell, I've even written materials for Boson/Quizware but still feel that everyone could pass their exams using less expensive methods. Just my opinion because this forum is for helping people out. So look around a little before rushing out to buy the almighty overpriced Boson. Sorry, just a little grumpy this morning. I think I just realized how underpaid I really am! Just thankful to have a job right now, though! Shawn K. -_-_-_ Mail3000 gives you 30 Megs of Email space free -_-_- This mail sent through http://mail3000.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41642t=41465 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465]
Comments inline Kaminski, Shawn G wrote: I didn't just pop into the group. I must admit that my phrasing (pop into the group) probably sounded negative, but I can assure you that I in no way meant it to be so. I'm just trying to let people know that there are other alternatives besides Boson, Boson, Boson. It's like a cult with this group. Yeah... it is like a cult with this group. =) But at least for me personally, when I was doing CCNA, I got the Boson exams and I felt they helped alot to let you know what the real exam was for... And for every CCNP exam I used them and felt it was worth the (then) $29 per exam. I mean, would you rather spend $119.85 for all the Boson CCIE Written materials or spend $29.95 with CCxx and get it all in one package? I will (definitely) check out the CCxx materials. Again, all I was trying to point out in my previous post was that it's strange for someone to comment about cheaper and better materials and not leave a single web link, URL, company name, etc. Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41648t=41465 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465]
I have an un-bias opinion. For some of us who have already done a few exams, Boson is the only choice. Do you have test software for PIX, VPN, CVOICE etc.? I don't really use boson, I use books. But for CSS1, I might need to use them, just to get an idea if I have any weak spots. There is no 1 source for any exam. I have heard the term, you get what you pay for. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 3:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465] Everybody else is bad except Network Learning, because you work for Network Learning and have written materials for CCXX productions? This is what I call an unbiased, honest opinion!! A Strobel Quoting Kaminski, Shawn G : CCxx Productions, and soon, Network Learning. Disclaimer: I have written materials for CCxx Productions and am working on stuff for Network Learning -Original Message- From: Michael L. Williams [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Stupid Question time [7:41465] Name one alternative that's cheaper AND offers the flexibility, options (like toggling the score meter, showing answers ONLY when you're wrong WITH references to published explanations of the answers), and quality (not so say I've never seen a wrong answer on a Boson exam, but way better than the quality of a Brainbuzz cramsheet, etc). I don't mean my above comment in a smart ass way, because I'd really be interested in an alternative, but to simply pop into the group and make such statements without even a single URL or name of what you consider much better and less expensive doesn't lend much credibility to what you say. Mike W. Kaminski, Shawn G wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... What the hell, get them all. In fact, buy two sets since money seems to be no object to any of you. :-) I still can't understand all the hype over Boson when there are much better and less expensive alternatives out there. Hell, I've even written materials for Boson/Quizware but still feel that everyone could pass their exams using less expensive methods. Just my opinion because this forum is for helping people out. So look around a little before rushing out to buy the almighty overpriced Boson. Sorry, just a little grumpy this morning. I think I just realized how underpaid I really am! Just thankful to have a job right now, though! Shawn K. -_-_-_ Mail3000 gives you 30 Megs of Email space free -_-_- This mail sent through http://mail3000.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41649t=41465 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465]
I agree. Shaun mentioned that he prefers the written form over a test engine for studying; that's understandable. Like Brian, I prefer multiple sources, multiple formats. When studying for an exam, I generally use a Boson quiz or two initially to see my strengths and weaknesses, and then prep using a variety of books and text on the internet, and then finish up with some more Boson or flash card quizes before I take an exam. Also, as Brian mentions, Boson is the only way for many of the specializations, such as the security or voice tests- most companies only focus on CCNA/CCNP/CCIE. -Sean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian Zeitz Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 1:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465] I have an un-bias opinion. For some of us who have already done a few exams, Boson is the only choice. Do you have test software for PIX, VPN, CVOICE etc.? I don't really use boson, I use books. But for CSS1, I might need to use them, just to get an idea if I have any weak spots. There is no 1 source for any exam. I have heard the term, you get what you pay for. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 3:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Stupid Question time [7:41465] Everybody else is bad except Network Learning, because you work for Network Learning and have written materials for CCXX productions? This is what I call an unbiased, honest opinion!! A Strobel Quoting Kaminski, Shawn G : CCxx Productions, and soon, Network Learning. Disclaimer: I have written materials for CCxx Productions and am working on stuff for Network Learning -Original Message- From: Michael L. Williams [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Stupid Question time [7:41465] Name one alternative that's cheaper AND offers the flexibility, options (like toggling the score meter, showing answers ONLY when you're wrong WITH references to published explanations of the answers), and quality (not so say I've never seen a wrong answer on a Boson exam, but way better than the quality of a Brainbuzz cramsheet, etc). I don't mean my above comment in a smart ass way, because I'd really be interested in an alternative, but to simply pop into the group and make such statements without even a single URL or name of what you consider much better and less expensive doesn't lend much credibility to what you say. Mike W. Kaminski, Shawn G wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... What the hell, get them all. In fact, buy two sets since money seems to be no object to any of you. :-) I still can't understand all the hype over Boson when there are much better and less expensive alternatives out there. Hell, I've even written materials for Boson/Quizware but still feel that everyone could pass their exams using less expensive methods. Just my opinion because this forum is for helping people out. So look around a little before rushing out to buy the almighty overpriced Boson. Sorry, just a little grumpy this morning. I think I just realized how underpaid I really am! Just thankful to have a job right now, though! Shawn K. -_-_-_ Mail3000 gives you 30 Megs of Email space free -_-_- This mail sent through http://mail3000.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41684t=41465 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid Question time [7:41465]
I put together a document on RIFs that you can grab for free from www.laganiere.net Let me know if that helps... --- Dennis - Original Message - From: Kris Keen To: Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 11:47 PM Subject: Stupid Question time [7:41465] All, im studying for my CCIE. Can someone point me in the direction of information about RIF's..I've got the Rossi Paper but its unclear at the start. Am I right in saying, a RIF is a Routing Information Field, its used to determine the list of rings and bridges a frame has travelled through a token ring network? The RIF field is the first byte of the Source Mac address? Foggy topic! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41490t=41465 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid Question time [7:41465]
Champ , cheers What Boson do you recommend? is yours, #3 the best or should I get them all? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41563t=41465 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid Question [7:32591]
Just turn them off or simply unplug them. Fortunately the IOS was not written by Microsoft and nothing will get corrupted!!! -Serge. Richard Tufaro wrote: What is the proper way to shutdown a router? not reload, but shutdown? Just flick the switch? Seems to brutal to me. Richard Tufaro - MCSE - GSEC- CCNA Network Engineer - Anda Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN IM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=32720t=32591 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid Question [7:32591]
Assuming you want to save the config on there, a wr mem before the power off may be appropriate, unless you're selling it, then maybe a wr erase. Bri On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Mnatzakanian Serge wrote: Just turn them off or simply unplug them. Fortunately the IOS was not written by Microsoft and nothing will get corrupted!!! -Serge. Richard Tufaro wrote: What is the proper way to shutdown a router? not reload, but shutdown? Just flick the switch? Seems to brutal to me. Richard Tufaro - MCSE - GSEC- CCNA Network Engineer - Anda Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN IM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=32724t=32591 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid Question [7:32591]
H. Funny, last I checked, you could turn off in Mid-Boot process, Pull the plug in Mid-Shutdown process, or yank the power to the UPS (and no battery left) with all NT Machines running (NT3.51 - W2K), and the system would never miss a beat in start-up file system recovery. Now do that to NT servers with Oracle or some SQL-type application server running on it, and it may have data corruption- but that's only with the DB's ... and that happens, no matter WHAT the platform. Now, then again, try doing the above such listed tasks of brutality to a Sun Box, an SCO box, or an ATT Unix box, and watch the games begin as Inodes fly everywhere and the file system checker starts griping about how unhappy it is and I wouldn't be surprised if an AIX or SGI box did the same. DB Server or not. Sorry... just gotta love those MickeySoft stabs that have no meaning other than for slander. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Stupid Question [7:32591] Just turn them off or simply unplug them. Fortunately the IOS was not written by Microsoft and nothing will get corrupted!!! -Serge. Richard Tufaro wrote: What is the proper way to shutdown a router? not reload, but shutdown? Just flick the switch? Seems to brutal to me. Richard Tufaro - MCSE - GSEC- CCNA Network Engineer - Anda Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN IM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=32765t=32591 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid Question [7:32591]
Reason being that NTFS is a journalled file system. Not sure on NT 3.51's version of NTFS, but if you say so, probably true. (not meant to be sarcastic, but sincere) As for the SQL database, depending if it had good rollback mechanisms to avoid corruption, it may or may not get corrupted, as you said. As for the unix systems, most of them use UFS, which is not a journalled file system. However, I do not know of many OSes or distributions that let you add in a journalled fs. One that comes to mind is linux with the reiserfs. (linux comes stock with ext2fs). (you can add in journalled file systems afterwards, one commercial unix in mind that comes stock and barrel with a journalled fs is the venerable Irix with it's XFS). Go ahead, pull the plug on him, he won't care. No fsck on startup. Just smooth rolling. If you note the pattern here, it is a function of the file system (or in the database's case, how it retains data and does integrity checks and if it has rollback recovery to avoid data loss or undo bad transactions). Not sure if I can give a definitive reason on why the cisco's do not fear such things. Probably because it is not usually writing data very often, and the data it writes is essentially a text file (NVRAM configurations). The OS in itself is a static flash file that never needs to be overwritten during normal runtime operation, only during upgrades. This is totally different on a fully blown OS that has crazy writes usually going on during operation. Or even if it did not, has a good reason to double check for file integrity. The Cisco router was meant to be more of an appliance like machine, so it's behavior makes sense, and so does it's obvious resistance to the occasional power plug pull. At 06:42 PM 1/21/02 -0500, Mark Odette II wrote: H. Funny, last I checked, you could turn off in Mid-Boot process, Pull the plug in Mid-Shutdown process, or yank the power to the UPS (and no battery left) with all NT Machines running (NT3.51 - W2K), and the system would never miss a beat in start-up file system recovery. Now do that to NT servers with Oracle or some SQL-type application server running on it, and it may have data corruption- but that's only with the DB's ... and that happens, no matter WHAT the platform. Now, then again, try doing the above such listed tasks of brutality to a Sun Box, an SCO box, or an ATT Unix box, and watch the games begin as Inodes fly everywhere and the file system checker starts griping about how unhappy it is and I wouldn't be surprised if an AIX or SGI box did the same. DB Server or not. Sorry... just gotta love those MickeySoft stabs that have no meaning other than for slander. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Stupid Question [7:32591] Just turn them off or simply unplug them. Fortunately the IOS was not written by Microsoft and nothing will get corrupted!!! -Serge. Richard Tufaro wrote: What is the proper way to shutdown a router? not reload, but shutdown? Just flick the switch? Seems to brutal to me. Richard Tufaro - MCSE - GSEC- CCNA Network Engineer - Anda Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN IM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Carroll Kong Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=32771t=32591 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid Question [7:32591]
With the key NT cheap shot being: It doesn't matter how coherent the file system is if the OS isn't executing code, but rather rebooting. 'least those crashes proves they wrote a reasonable filesystem. I really don't have anything against NT. Mainly since I'm not running it on any of my servers. :) Darrell Carroll Kong wrote: Reason being that NTFS is a journalled file system. Not sure on NT 3.51's version of NTFS, but if you say so, probably true. (not meant to be sarcastic, but sincere) As for the SQL database, depending if it had good rollback mechanisms to avoid corruption, it may or may not get corrupted, as you said. As for the unix systems, most of them use UFS, which is not a journalled file system. However, I do not know of many OSes or distributions that let you add in a journalled fs. One that comes to mind is linux with the reiserfs. (linux comes stock with ext2fs). (you can add in journalled file systems afterwards, one commercial unix in mind that comes stock and barrel with a journalled fs is the venerable Irix with it's XFS). Go ahead, pull the plug on him, he won't care. No fsck on startup. Just smooth rolling. If you note the pattern here, it is a function of the file system (or in the database's case, how it retains data and does integrity checks and if it has rollback recovery to avoid data loss or undo bad transactions). Not sure if I can give a definitive reason on why the cisco's do not fear such things. Probably because it is not usually writing data very often, and the data it writes is essentially a text file (NVRAM configurations). The OS in itself is a static flash file that never needs to be overwritten during normal runtime operation, only during upgrades. This is totally different on a fully blown OS that has crazy writes usually going on during operation. Or even if it did not, has a good reason to double check for file integrity. The Cisco router was meant to be more of an appliance like machine, so it's behavior makes sense, and so does it's obvious resistance to the occasional power plug pull. At 06:42 PM 1/21/02 -0500, Mark Odette II wrote: H. Funny, last I checked, you could turn off in Mid-Boot process, Pull the plug in Mid-Shutdown process, or yank the power to the UPS (and no battery left) with all NT Machines running (NT3.51 - W2K), and the system would never miss a beat in start-up file system recovery. Now do that to NT servers with Oracle or some SQL-type application server running on it, and it may have data corruption- but that's only with the DB's ... and that happens, no matter WHAT the platform. Now, then again, try doing the above such listed tasks of brutality to a Sun Box, an SCO box, or an ATT Unix box, and watch the games begin as Inodes fly everywhere and the file system checker starts griping about how unhappy it is and I wouldn't be surprised if an AIX or SGI box did the same. DB Server or not. Sorry... just gotta love those MickeySoft stabs that have no meaning other than for slander. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Stupid Question [7:32591] Just turn them off or simply unplug them. Fortunately the IOS was not written by Microsoft and nothing will get corrupted!!! -Serge. Richard Tufaro wrote: What is the proper way to shutdown a router? not reload, but shutdown? Just flick the switch? Seems to brutal to me. Richard Tufaro - MCSE - GSEC- CCNA Network Engineer - Anda Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN IM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Carroll Kong Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=32772t=32591 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid Question [7:32591]
Thanks Carol! Nothing like a Unix head to reinforce my point. :) It just rubs me raw sometimes how some of these engineers have these notions in there heads without any hands-on experience to prove what they've just always heard as Anti-MS chant. Most of them hardly haven't had their hands on a NT box, and hardly have in-depth experience on a Unix box they just think *nix is better than most 'cause they have a few years lite experience supporting limited Unix networks. ... and you put it so eloquently about the Cisco boxes too. They are nothing but boxes running a binary that expands in RAM to run like a boot-floppy kernel without write functionality to the OS. It's just the ASCII config file that has xwrd file rights. Now- back to studying :) Mark -Original Message- From: Carroll Kong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:02 PM To: Mark Odette II Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Stupid Question [7:32591] Reason being that NTFS is a journalled file system. Not sure on NT 3.51's version of NTFS, but if you say so, probably true. (not meant to be sarcastic, but sincere) As for the SQL database, depending if it had good rollback mechanisms to avoid corruption, it may or may not get corrupted, as you said. As for the unix systems, most of them use UFS, which is not a journalled file system. However, I do not know of many OSes or distributions that let you add in a journalled fs. One that comes to mind is linux with the reiserfs. (linux comes stock with ext2fs). (you can add in journalled file systems afterwards, one commercial unix in mind that comes stock and barrel with a journalled fs is the venerable Irix with it's XFS). Go ahead, pull the plug on him, he won't care. No fsck on startup. Just smooth rolling. If you note the pattern here, it is a function of the file system (or in the database's case, how it retains data and does integrity checks and if it has rollback recovery to avoid data loss or undo bad transactions). Not sure if I can give a definitive reason on why the cisco's do not fear such things. Probably because it is not usually writing data very often, and the data it writes is essentially a text file (NVRAM configurations). The OS in itself is a static flash file that never needs to be overwritten during normal runtime operation, only during upgrades. This is totally different on a fully blown OS that has crazy writes usually going on during operation. Or even if it did not, has a good reason to double check for file integrity. The Cisco router was meant to be more of an appliance like machine, so it's behavior makes sense, and so does it's obvious resistance to the occasional power plug pull. At 06:42 PM 1/21/02 -0500, Mark Odette II wrote: H. Funny, last I checked, you could turn off in Mid-Boot process, Pull the plug in Mid-Shutdown process, or yank the power to the UPS (and no battery left) with all NT Machines running (NT3.51 - W2K), and the system would never miss a beat in start-up file system recovery. Now do that to NT servers with Oracle or some SQL-type application server running on it, and it may have data corruption- but that's only with the DB's ... and that happens, no matter WHAT the platform. Now, then again, try doing the above such listed tasks of brutality to a Sun Box, an SCO box, or an ATT Unix box, and watch the games begin as Inodes fly everywhere and the file system checker starts griping about how unhappy it is and I wouldn't be surprised if an AIX or SGI box did the same. DB Server or not. Sorry... just gotta love those MickeySoft stabs that have no meaning other than for slander. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Stupid Question [7:32591] Just turn them off or simply unplug them. Fortunately the IOS was not written by Microsoft and nothing will get corrupted!!! -Serge. Richard Tufaro wrote: What is the proper way to shutdown a router? not reload, but shutdown? Just flick the switch? Seems to brutal to me. Richard Tufaro - MCSE - GSEC- CCNA Network Engineer - Anda Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN IM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Carroll Kong Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=32789t=32591 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid Question [7:32591]
Most network devices are designed never to be shutdown. Take for instance the 2900 and 3500 series switches (either plugged and running or not). Flipping the switch is about all you've got. All the best !!! Phil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Richard Tufaro Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 2:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Stupid Question [7:32591] What is the proper way to shutdown a router? not reload, but shutdown? Just flick the switch? Seems to brutal to me. Richard Tufaro - MCSE - GSEC- CCNA Network Engineer - Anda Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN IM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=32592t=32591 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid Question [7:32591]
That leads me to a related question... would it be better for my stack of 2500's and Cat switches to leave them on, or should I shut them off when not used. This is a lab setup. Jeff Richard Tufaro wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... What is the proper way to shutdown a router? not reload, but shutdown? Just flick the switch? Seems to brutal to me. Richard Tufaro - MCSE - GSEC- CCNA Network Engineer - Anda Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN IM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=32607t=32591 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid Question [7:32591]
Flipping the switch is it... I always think of its file system as it is in the flash not as vulnerable as a hard drive... we just unplug hubs/switches/routers... Thank goodness to. Can you imagine routers getting as pissed off as NT boxes when improperly shut down... we be going nuts.. Richard Tufaro wrote: What is the proper way to shutdown a router? not reload, but shutdown? Just flick the switch? Seems to brutal to me. Richard Tufaro - MCSE - GSEC- CCNA Network Engineer - Anda Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN IM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=32620t=32591 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793]
Yep- I believe it EOL-ed the same time as the Catalyst 5000's (summer 2000). Of course this does not mean Cisco has stopped supporting the box, just that you will not be able to purchase it under the new product line-up. IOS parts should exist another 3 years or so. Phil - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 1:46 PM Subject: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793] I was trying to find some information on the 2926G switch (I'm not overly familiar with the whole Cisco product line so bear with me) and ran across this document: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/ca2926.htm Is the 2926G and old switch and EOL = End of Life? Just wondering Patrick FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=797t=793 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793]
Doh boy! I feel really dumb now, I didn't realize the 5000's had been EOL'd too! I really HAVE to start getting out more often! :) Thanks for the info, Patrick "Circusnuts" on 04/16/2001 02:16:34 PM To: Patrick McAllister/SOC/WGL@WGL, [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793] Yep- I believe it EOL-ed the same time as the Catalyst 5000's (summer 2000). Of course this does not mean Cisco has stopped supporting the box, just that you will not be able to purchase it under the new product line-up. IOS parts should exist another 3 years or so. Phil - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 1:46 PM Subject: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793] I was trying to find some information on the 2926G switch (I'm not overly familiar with the whole Cisco product line so bear with me) and ran across this document: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/ca2926.htm Is the 2926G and old switch and EOL = End of Life? Just wondering Patrick FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=799t=793 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793]
just end of *sales* for the older Cat 5000 *modules*, not the 5000 chassis or the 5500's, though! And with the product line so big, it can be difficult keeping track of what's live and what's EOL anymore, so don't get *too* far down on yourself ;-) Cat5000 EOL links - scroll down to product bulletins on (watch wrap) http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/casi/ca5000/prodlit/index.shtml General EOL on Cisco products can be found at http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/elhw__g1.htm -e- - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793] Doh boy! I feel really dumb now, I didn't realize the 5000's had been EOL'd too! I really HAVE to start getting out more often! :) Thanks for the info, Patrick "Circusnuts" on 04/16/2001 02:16:34 PM To: Patrick McAllister/SOC/WGL@WGL, [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793] Yep- I believe it EOL-ed the same time as the Catalyst 5000's (summer 2000). Of course this does not mean Cisco has stopped supporting the box, just that you will not be able to purchase it under the new product line-up. IOS parts should exist another 3 years or so. Phil - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 1:46 PM Subject: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793] I was trying to find some information on the 2926G switch (I'm not overly familiar with the whole Cisco product line so bear with me) and ran across this document: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/ca2926.htm Is the 2926G and old switch and EOL = End of Life? Just wondering Patrick FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=806t=793 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793]
Thank you very much, appreciate all the help. I was wondering what people were planning to replace their 5000's with! I was originally trying ot locate a picture of the 2926G in Quick Reference Product Guide, but was having no luck. Thanks again, I'm off to check out those links! Patrick "EA Louie" on 04/16/2001 03:23:27 PM To: Patrick McAllister/SOC/WGL@WGL cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793] just end of *sales* for the older Cat 5000 *modules*, not the 5000 chassis or the 5500's, though! And with the product line so big, it can be difficult keeping track of what's live and what's EOL anymore, so don't get *too* far down on yourself ;-) Cat5000 EOL links - scroll down to product bulletins on (watch wrap) http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/casi/ca5000/prodlit/index.shtml General EOL on Cisco products can be found at http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/elhw__g1.htm -e- - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793] Doh boy! I feel really dumb now, I didn't realize the 5000's had been EOL'd too! I really HAVE to start getting out more often! :) Thanks for the info, Patrick "Circusnuts" on 04/16/2001 02:16:34 PM To: Patrick McAllister/SOC/WGL@WGL, [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793] Yep- I believe it EOL-ed the same time as the Catalyst 5000's (summer 2000). Of course this does not mean Cisco has stopped supporting the box, just that you will not be able to purchase it under the new product line-up. IOS parts should exist another 3 years or so. Phil - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 1:46 PM Subject: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793] I was trying to find some information on the 2926G switch (I'm not overly familiar with the whole Cisco product line so bear with me) and ran across this document: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/ca2926.htm Is the 2926G and old switch and EOL = End of Life? Just wondering Patrick FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=808t=793 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793]
Cat6Ks, Cisco's current flagship switch, of course ;-) -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Thank you very much, appreciate all the help. I was wondering what people were planning to replace their 5000's with! I was originally trying ot locate a picture of the 2926G in Quick Reference Product Guide, but was having no luck. Thanks again, I'm off to check out those links! Patrick "EA Louie" on 04/16/2001 03:23:27 PM To: Patrick McAllister/SOC/WGL@WGL cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793] just end of *sales* for the older Cat 5000 *modules*, not the 5000 chassis or the 5500's, though! And with the product line so big, it can be difficult keeping track of what's live and what's EOL anymore, so don't get *too* far down on yourself ;-) Cat5000 EOL links - scroll down to product bulletins on (watch wrap) http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/casi/ca5000/prodlit/index.shtml General EOL on Cisco products can be found at http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/elhw__g1.htm -e- - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793] Doh boy! I feel really dumb now, I didn't realize the 5000's had been EOL'd too! I really HAVE to start getting out more often! :) Thanks for the info, Patrick "Circusnuts" on 04/16/2001 02:16:34 PM To: Patrick McAllister/SOC/WGL@WGL, [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793] Yep- I believe it EOL-ed the same time as the Catalyst 5000's (summer 2000). Of course this does not mean Cisco has stopped supporting the box, just that you will not be able to purchase it under the new product line-up. IOS parts should exist another 3 years or so. Phil - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 1:46 PM Subject: Stupid question - EOL? [7:793] I was trying to find some information on the 2926G switch (I'm not overly familiar with the whole Cisco product line so bear with me) and ran across this document: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/ca2926.htm Is the 2926G and old switch and EOL = End of Life? Just wondering Patrick FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=826t=793 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid question
Jason, You have mentioned what my first thought was... The interfaces do not even have to be administratively down (AD). They can be given identical addresses as long as they are down (D). If the duplicate address is the same as an "up" LAN interface, you get a warning, but the address is accepted into the running config, but ONLY if the serial interface is AD. If the serial interface is only D, you get the same warning, but the address is NOT accepted. I have not (yet) tried to see how interaction with the LAN interface proceeds if the LAN interface is AD or D, and I am resisting the temptation to do so because I have a zillion other things to do... Hugo. ""J Roysdon"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 9a96jb$s5o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:9a96jb$s5o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Are you sure all interfaces are 'no shutdown' ? You can assign even the same ip address to multiple interfaces if they're shutdown. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ Cisco resources: http://r2cisco.artoo.net/ ""Mask Of Zorro"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Just to throw a wrinkle in all of this, a Cisco router WILL allow you to place up to 4 SERIAL interfaces in the same subnet. Try it... do like this: Routerconf t Router(config)int s0 Router(config-if)ip add 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 Router(config-if)int s1 Router(config-if)ip add 10.1.1.3 255.255.255.0 This works... the router will not complain. Why would you need to do this? I dunno, but you can if you want to - only on SERIAL interfaces... Z From: EA LOUIE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: EA LOUIE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stupid question Date: 30 Mar 2001 10:50:28 PST "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IP address on a switch or hub is for management purposes only and is not applied to an actual physical port. The IP address in a switch or hub is applied to a virtual interface so you can use IP to test connectivity or telnet to the device for configuration purposes. ...and don't forget for SNMP monitoring/management, too, if enabled :-) -e- "Wang Chia Ta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/30/01 9:40:46 AM Thank you for your response. Another question is when or why would you be required to use set an ip address on a switch and/or hub interface? Thx. Wang Chia Ta Systems Support Mitsubishi Motors --- ""John Neiberger"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message sac446f2.062@fsutil01">news:sac446f2.062@fsutil01... This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. If you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet. Otherwise routing would not work. If you're bridging, then the bridged interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an IP address to those interfaces. I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question: in a routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet, and the answer is no. HTH, John After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... Dear all, I have a stupid question, want to clarify. is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in the Router? Thanks Best Regards, rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid question
Are you sure all interfaces are 'no shutdown' ? You can assign even the same ip address to multiple interfaces if they're shutdown. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ Cisco resources: http://r2cisco.artoo.net/ ""Mask Of Zorro"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Just to throw a wrinkle in all of this, a Cisco router WILL allow you to place up to 4 SERIAL interfaces in the same subnet. Try it... do like this: Routerconf t Router(config)int s0 Router(config-if)ip add 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 Router(config-if)int s1 Router(config-if)ip add 10.1.1.3 255.255.255.0 This works... the router will not complain. Why would you need to do this? I dunno, but you can if you want to - only on SERIAL interfaces... Z From: EA LOUIE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: EA LOUIE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stupid question Date: 30 Mar 2001 10:50:28 PST "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IP address on a switch or hub is for management purposes only and is not applied to an actual physical port. The IP address in a switch or hub is applied to a virtual interface so you can use IP to test connectivity or telnet to the device for configuration purposes. ...and don't forget for SNMP monitoring/management, too, if enabled :-) -e- "Wang Chia Ta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/30/01 9:40:46 AM Thank you for your response. Another question is when or why would you be required to use set an ip address on a switch and/or hub interface? Thx. Wang Chia Ta Systems Support Mitsubishi Motors --- ""John Neiberger"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message sac446f2.062@fsutil01">news:sac446f2.062@fsutil01... This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. If you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet. Otherwise routing would not work. If you're bridging, then the bridged interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an IP address to those interfaces. I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question: in a routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet, and the answer is no. HTH, John After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... Dear all, I have a stupid question, want to clarify. is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in the Router? Thanks Best Regards, rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'll be quite honest and say I haven't done a detailed investigation of the IOS implementation restrictions here. My intuition would be that IOS has one ARP cache per subnet per physical router, and having multiple router ports in the same broadcast subnet confuses the ARP mechanism. On a first scan of RFC 1812, I don't see any inherent architectural limitation on more than one interface in a subnet on a physical router. I suspect the reason that multiple serial interfaces can work is that they don't routinely ARP, since they don't have to resolve MAC addresses they don't have. However, just in the last few days, we read on this list that serial interfaces can have 2 or more in the same subnet. I think one poster said there was a maximum of 6? Which would be consistent with the maximum interfaces in load sharing. I suspect there are some IOS internal games here, where an (internal only) virtual interface describes the next hop for a destination to which there is load sharing, and some type of recursion takes place (perhaps interacting with a cache) to decide which physical interface to use. These are guesses, however. But ethernet interfaces cannot share a subnet. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 30 March, 2001 10:41 Subject: Re: Stupid question This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. If you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet. Otherwise routing would not work. If you're bridging, then the bridged interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an IP address to those interfaces. I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question: in a routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet, and the answer is no. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This is all new information to me! I had no idea that I could place two separate serial interfaces into the same subnet, so I just tried it. I set up two back to back cables between two routers and put both lines on the same subnet. I was amazed that it didn't freak out. I noticed that when I would ping from one to the other the router did per-packet load balancing regardless of 'ip route-cache' setting, which makes sense. This really doesn't have anything to do with route caching or fast switching. Now I just tried running OSPF across these links and the routers didn't appear to be confused. They each see the other as being adjacent on two different interfaces, but they don't really care. They just put both routes into the routing table. I suppose this is no different than if I were to configure a loopback interface on each side and then use ip unnumbered on both links. In that case they'd also be in the same subnet. Interesting, thanks for pointing this out to me! John I'll be quite honest and say I haven't done a detailed investigation of the IOS implementation restrictions here. My intuition would be that IOS has one ARP cache per subnet per physical router, and having multiple router ports in the same broadcast subnet confuses the ARP mechanism. On a first scan of RFC 1812, I don't see any inherent architectural limitation on more than one interface in a subnet on a physical router. I suspect the reason that multiple serial interfaces can work is that they don't routinely ARP, since they don't have to resolve MAC addresses they don't have. However, just in the last few days, we read on this list that serial interfaces can have 2 or more in the same subnet. I think one poster said there was a maximum of 6? Which would be consistent with the maximum interfaces in load sharing. I suspect there are some IOS internal games here, where an (internal only) virtual interface describes the next hop for a destination to which there is load sharing, and some type of recursion takes place (perhaps interacting with a cache) to decide which physical interface to use. These are guesses, however. But ethernet interfaces cannot share a subnet. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 30 March, 2001 10:41 Subject: Re: Stupid question This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. If you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet. Otherwise routing would not work. If you're bridging, then the bridged interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an IP address to those interfaces. I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question: in a routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet, and the answer is no. ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The limit on Cisco routers is 4 Serials in the same subnet... but my question is: What problem does that solve? Why would I want/need to do that? Any thoughts? Z From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stupid question Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:29:36 -0500 I'll be quite honest and say I haven't done a detailed investigation of the IOS implementation restrictions here. My intuition would be that IOS has one ARP cache per subnet per physical router, and having multiple router ports in the same broadcast subnet confuses the ARP mechanism. On a first scan of RFC 1812, I don't see any inherent architectural limitation on more than one interface in a subnet on a physical router. I suspect the reason that multiple serial interfaces can work is that they don't routinely ARP, since they don't have to resolve MAC addresses they don't have. However, just in the last few days, we read on this list that serial interfaces can have 2 or more in the same subnet. I think one poster said there was a maximum of 6? Which would be consistent with the maximum interfaces in load sharing. I suspect there are some IOS internal games here, where an (internal only) virtual interface describes the next hop for a destination to which there is load sharing, and some type of recursion takes place (perhaps interacting with a cache) to decide which physical interface to use. These are guesses, however. But ethernet interfaces cannot share a subnet. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 30 March, 2001 10:41 Subject: Re: Stupid question This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. If you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet. Otherwise routing would not work. If you're bridging, then the bridged interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an IP address to those interfaces. I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question: in a routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet, and the answer is no. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The limit on Cisco routers is 4 Serials in the same subnet... but my question is: What problem does that solve? Why would I want/need to do that? My gut tells me that this is not really a planned-for limit, and sort of happened. Any thoughts? As a wild guess, it might be to allow the support of NBMA hub-and-spoke subnets that have more than one hub interface. Not sure how useful this would be -- I tend to think that the marginal improvement in reliability of having more than one interface of the same router in the same subnet is very small. If I need multiple hubs, multiple routers become appropriate. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. If you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet. Otherwise routing would not work. If you're bridging, then the bridged interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an IP address to those interfaces. I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question: in a routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet, and the answer is no. HTH, John After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... Dear all, I have a stupid question, want to clarify. is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in the Router? Thanks Best Regards, rick _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thank you for your response. Another question is when or why would you be required to use set an ip address on a switch and/or hub interface? Thx. Wang Chia Ta Systems Support Mitsubishi Motors --- ""John Neiberger"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message sac446f2.062@fsutil01">news:sac446f2.062@fsutil01... This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. If you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet. Otherwise routing would not work. If you're bridging, then the bridged interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an IP address to those interfaces. I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question: in a routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet, and the answer is no. HTH, John After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... Dear all, I have a stupid question, want to clarify. is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in the Router? Thanks Best Regards, rick _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sorry ... the message should have read: Thank you for your response. Another question is when or why would you be required to set an ip address on a switch and/or hub interface? Thx. Wang Chia Ta Systems Support Mitsubishi Motors --- ""John Neiberger"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message sac446f2.062@fsutil01">news:sac446f2.062@fsutil01... This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. If you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet. Otherwise routing would not work. If you're bridging, then the bridged interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an IP address to those interfaces. I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question: in a routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet, and the answer is no. HTH, John After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... Dear all, I have a stupid question, want to clarify. is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in the Router? Thanks Best Regards, rick _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The IP address on a switch or hub is for management purposes only and is not applied to an actual physical port. The IP address in a switch or hub is applied to a virtual interface so you can use IP to test connectivity or telnet to the device for configuration purposes. "Wang Chia Ta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/30/01 9:40:46 AM Thank you for your response. Another question is when or why would you be required to use set an ip address on a switch and/or hub interface? Thx. Wang Chia Ta Systems Support Mitsubishi Motors --- ""John Neiberger"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message sac446f2.062@fsutil01">news:sac446f2.062@fsutil01... This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. If you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet. Otherwise routing would not work. If you're bridging, then the bridged interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an IP address to those interfaces. I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question: in a routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet, and the answer is no. HTH, John After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... Dear all, I have a stupid question, want to clarify. is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in the Router? Thanks Best Regards, rick _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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When you connect to a brand new router for the first time you need to use a console connection because there isn't an IP address yet to allow you to connect via telnet. Its the same thing with switches and hubs. If you don't have an IP address on the box, you're reduced to using console connections to manage them. No PING, no SNMP, no telnet. Does that help? Karen Young *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 3/30/2001 at 11:45 AM Wang Chia Ta wrote: Sorry ... the message should have read: Thank you for your response. Another question is when or why would you be required to set an ip address on a switch and/or hub interface? Thx. Wang Chia Ta Systems Support Mitsubishi Motors --- ""John Neiberger"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message sac446f2.062@fsutil01">news:sac446f2.062@fsutil01... This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. If you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet. Otherwise routing would not work. If you're bridging, then the bridged interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an IP address to those interfaces. I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question: in a routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet, and the answer is no. HTH, John After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... Dear all, I have a stupid question, want to clarify. is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in the Router? Thanks Best Regards, rick _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, two or more interfaces can share the same subnet, but bridging is involved. You just can't assign ip networks willy nilly to interfaces. :) What you're looking for is called IRB Bridging. An example follows. The ip address on the BVI interface is available through both ethernet interfaces. interface ethernet0 no ip address bridge-group 1 interface ethernet1 no ip address bridge-group 1 interface BVI 1 ip address 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0 bridge irb bridge 1 protocol ieee no bridge 1 bridge ip bridge 1 route ip Rodgers Moore "Rick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... !doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en" html Dear all, pI have a stupid question, want to clarify. bris it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in the Router? pThanks pBest Regards, brrick/html _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IP address on a switch or hub is for management purposes only and is not applied to an actual physical port. The IP address in a switch or hub is applied to a virtual interface so you can use IP to test connectivity or telnet to the device for configuration purposes. ...and don't forget for SNMP monitoring/management, too, if enabled :-) -e- "Wang Chia Ta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/30/01 9:40:46 AM Thank you for your response. Another question is when or why would you be required to use set an ip address on a switch and/or hub interface? Thx. Wang Chia Ta Systems Support Mitsubishi Motors --- ""John Neiberger"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message sac446f2.062@fsutil01">news:sac446f2.062@fsutil01... This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. If you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet. Otherwise routing would not work. If you're bridging, then the bridged interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an IP address to those interfaces. I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question: in a routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet, and the answer is no. HTH, John After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... Dear all, I have a stupid question, want to clarify. is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in the Router? Thanks Best Regards, rick _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Just to throw a wrinkle in all of this, a Cisco router WILL allow you to place up to 4 SERIAL interfaces in the same subnet. Try it... do like this: Routerconf t Router(config)int s0 Router(config-if)ip add 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 Router(config-if)int s1 Router(config-if)ip add 10.1.1.3 255.255.255.0 This works... the router will not complain. Why would you need to do this? I dunno, but you can if you want to - only on SERIAL interfaces... Z From: EA LOUIE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: EA LOUIE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stupid question Date: 30 Mar 2001 10:50:28 PST "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IP address on a switch or hub is for management purposes only and is not applied to an actual physical port. The IP address in a switch or hub is applied to a virtual interface so you can use IP to test connectivity or telnet to the device for configuration purposes. ...and don't forget for SNMP monitoring/management, too, if enabled :-) -e- "Wang Chia Ta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/30/01 9:40:46 AM Thank you for your response. Another question is when or why would you be required to use set an ip address on a switch and/or hub interface? Thx. Wang Chia Ta Systems Support Mitsubishi Motors --- ""John Neiberger"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message sac446f2.062@fsutil01">news:sac446f2.062@fsutil01... This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. If you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet. Otherwise routing would not work. If you're bridging, then the bridged interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an IP address to those interfaces. I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question: in a routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet, and the answer is no. HTH, John After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... Dear all, I have a stupid question, want to clarify. is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in the Router? Thanks Best Regards, rick _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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However, just in the last few days, we read on this list that serial interfaces can have 2 or more in the same subnet. I think one poster said there was a maximum of 6? But ethernet interfaces cannot share a subnet. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 30 March, 2001 10:41 Subject: Re: Stupid question This isn't a stupid question, it's a very important point to make. If you are routing, each interface on the router must be in its own subnet. Otherwise routing would not work. If you're bridging, then the bridged interfaces are in the same subnet but you don't specifically assign an IP address to those interfaces. I'm guessing that you're really asking the former question: in a routing situation can two different interfaces be in the same subnet, and the answer is no. HTH, John After removing all of the HTML, Rick appeared to say... Dear all, I have a stupid question, want to clarify. is it I cannot make two or more interfaces share the same subnet in the Router? Thanks Best Regards, rick _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Where I work, "Data Technician" is the entry-level title for my group, while Network Analyst is the more senior position. The sys admin title doesn't exist here, as system administration duties are divided among the LAN support personnel and LAN analysts. hmmm.. from my somewhat limited knowledge of "titles", I'd say a Network Analyst is usually an entry level network tech. System Admin would be someone who administers the network servers more than the network itself. But then, this is just my opinion of it based on what I've been exposed to and is probably wrong. grin On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Inamul H wrote: Hi: I had interesting argument with my supervisor about job title so I am wondering which title weigh more on resume ? System Administrator or Network ANalyst ? I accepted govie job as I asked everyone's advise few weeks ago about taking job or not. In terms of job duties, it does not make diffrence what I am gonna be doing regardless of title. Thank you everyone, Inamul Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ To unsubscribe from the Jobs list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe jobs ___ To unsubscribe from the Jobs list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe jobs ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Roman, Just buy a cheap 5 port hub for this. That will work. PC to hub, and hub to router. Also, you dont need a PC to check if ether will get through the link. Just create a ping on router A, and when it asks for the source, put the address for etherO. For example: RouterA#ping IP address: (routerB's ether, or whatever) Source address: (etherO's address) It goes something like that...Hope it helps, Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA A HREF="mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and explode once a year killing everyone inside. ~Robert Cringely, InfoWorld~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Any 10BaseT type Ethernet connection between any two devices without the use of a hub requires a crossover cable. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roman Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Stupid question.. Can I plug a PC directly from the NIC to the ethernet port on a 2500 series router? It won't work for me. Router doesn't recognize a link directly to the PC but it does when plugged into a switch. I assume it's a straight vs. crossover thing but from what I was told, you only need a crossover cable when plugging like devices together (ie- router to router, switch to switch, etc.). Any ideas? What I am trying to do is have a pc on the e0 int of one router, feed through a frame relay connection to another router and then out of the e0 int on that router to a switch. Thanks in advance for helping out. Roman ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You must use a "straight" cable if you're connecting pc/router/etc. to a hub/switch. And you definetely must use a "crossed-over" cable to connect a pc/router to another pc/router and hub/switch to another hub/switch. Some hubs/switches/routers may let you change manually the role of the port (MDI-X or MDI) so it becomes "crossed" internally and you may use a "straight" cable where the crossed one needed. Thus, on some devices it is possible to change the port settings and to use a straight cable to connect hub to hub and pc/router to router. In your case, 2500 series router's ethernet port does not support this feature and the solution to your problem is to use a crossed-over cable. HTH, Pavel G. Bulgakov, MCSE+I, MCDBA, CCNA Information Technology Specialist Clifford Chance Puender CIS +7 (501) 258-5050, ext. 5079 -Original Message- From: Roman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 10:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Stupid question.. Can I plug a PC directly from the NIC to the ethernet port on a 2500 series router? It won't work for me. Router doesn't recognize a link directly to the PC but it does when plugged into a switch. I assume it's a straight vs. crossover thing but from what I was told, you only need a crossover cable when plugging like devices together (ie- router to router, switch to switch, etc.). Any ideas? What I am trying to do is have a pc on the e0 int of one router, feed through a frame relay connection to another router and then out of the e0 int on that router to a switch. Thanks in advance for helping out. Roman ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. For further information about Clifford Chance please see our website at http://www.cliffordchance.com or refer to any Clifford Chance office. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You need a crossover to "talk" NIC to E0. The only time you would use a patch cable, iswhen youconnect the router/ PC to a switch/ hub. I "personally" know when to use each cable(I even know the pinouts), but I'm not sureif I could clearly explain to you why this is. I can promise you this, knowing the engineering of that Ethernet transceiver it's data exchange on that RJ45 pinout will not changethe paycheck you get this Friday :-) Good Luck !!! Phil - Original Message - From: "Roman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 5:33 PM Subject: Stupid question.. Can I plug a PC directly from the NIC to the ethernet port on a 2500 series router? It won't work for me. Router doesn't recognize a link directly to the PC but it does when plugged into a switch. I assume it's a straight vs. crossover thing but from what I was told, you only need a crossover cable when plugging like devices together (ie- router to router, switch to switch, etc.). Any ideas? What I am trying to do is have a pc on the e0 int of one router, feed through a frame relay connection to another router and then out of the e0 int on that router to a switch. Thanks in advance for helping out. Roman ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ohit pings just fine. I am just trying a little experiment. You know...fix it up, tear it down, fix it up, tear it down - ad nauseum. Anyway - it goes something like this. I have a Linksys (I know...don't say it) Broadband Router/Switch that my internal LAN accesses the internet through. I have a laptop that is connected to a 3com hub. Also connected to that hub is the e0 interface of a 2501. On the s0 interface of the 2501, it is connected through a DCE/DTE cable to the s0 interface of a 2503 (following me so far?). The e0 interface of the 2503 is connected to a switch port on the Linksys Router/Switch. I can ping the Linksys from the first PC (traveling through three different networks and across the Frame-Relay link with no problems. I just can't get beyond that into the WAN. Also, I can't ping another PC plugged into the Linksys switch either. I know this is probably worded very confusingly but I just thought that maybe one of my other fine associates out there had experienced something similar. Thanks again guys and gals, Roman At 03:07 PM 7/23/00 -0400, you wrote: Roman, Just buy a cheap 5 port hub for this. That will work. PC to hub, and hub to router. Also, you dont need a PC to check if ether will get through the link. Just create a ping on router A, and when it asks for the source, put the address for etherO. For example: RouterA#ping IP address: (routerB's ether, or whatever) Source address: (etherO's address) It goes something like that...Hope it helps, Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA A HREF="mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and explode once a year killing everyone inside. ~Robert Cringely, InfoWorld~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The frame-relay portion is only between the two cisco routers. The linksys router is tied to the e0 port of one of them. Actually, I have that linksys router/switch functioning only as a gateway/switch. It does no routing per se. Just shoves everything not local out the WAN port and that's about it. I was playing a bit with a sniffer and I noticed that the ping will travel from one pc, through the two cisco routers running FR, out the e0 port of the second, to the switch, and the too the second PC. That pc, replies to the echo but it never makes it back to the original PC. Grrr... :) At 04:02 PM 7/23/00 -0400, you wrote: If your running frame relay did you remember to encapsulate the link with IETF. You know this is used for a Cisco router connecting to a non Cisco router, just a thought. Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA A HREF="mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and explode once a year killing everyone inside. ~Robert Cringely, InfoWorld~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid question...(no questions are stupid friend)
Did you Define sub interface function in S0, Ade, -Original Message- From: Roman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 2:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stupid question...(no questions are stupid friend) Ohit pings just fine. I am just trying a little experiment. You know...fix it up, tear it down, fix it up, tear it down - ad nauseum. Anyway - it goes something like this. I have a Linksys (I know...don't say it) Broadband Router/Switch that my internal LAN accesses the internet through. I have a laptop that is connected to a 3com hub. Also connected to that hub is the e0 interface of a 2501. On the s0 interface of the 2501, it is connected through a DCE/DTE cable to the s0 interface of a 2503 (following me so far?). The e0 interface of the 2503 is connected to a switch port on the Linksys Router/Switch. I can ping the Linksys from the first PC (traveling through three different networks and across the Frame-Relay link with no problems. I just can't get beyond that into the WAN. Also, I can't ping another PC plugged into the Linksys switch either. I know this is probably worded very confusingly but I just thought that maybe one of my other fine associates out there had experienced something similar. Thanks again guys and gals, Roman At 03:07 PM 7/23/00 -0400, you wrote: Roman, Just buy a cheap 5 port hub for this. That will work. PC to hub, and hub to router. Also, you dont need a PC to check if ether will get through the link. Just create a ping on router A, and when it asks for the source, put the address for etherO. For example: RouterA#ping IP address: (routerB's ether, or whatever) Source address: (etherO's address) It goes something like that...Hope it helps, Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA A HREF="mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and explode once a year killing everyone inside. ~Robert Cringely, InfoWorld~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Doesnt the console cable need to be a roll over cable? http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_fix/cis2500/2501/ 2500ug/pin.htm (watch the wrap on the above link) Or you could do something like this: http://www.hwb.acc.umu.se/ca_CiscoConsole9.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sadguna Kumar Dasari Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: stupid question The above replys and if you don't have the "light blue console cable" just make a regular 8 conductor straight thru cable. But you will have to end up using rj45 to db9/db25 adapter (cisco's or the one with compatible pinout). Kumar Dasari "Quinton Maynard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... i can't even believe i have run into this, but getting into my new 2509 for the first time. in the past i have always telnetted into routers using the ip address. how do i get in on the console port? is it hyperterminal?... detailed explanation would be really appreciated, i am feeling dumb tonight. :) thanks quinton Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, the console cable need to be rollover cable. Sorry for the oversight. Sadguna Kumar Dasari ""Sadguna Kumar Dasari"" kdasari*[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8g2ll1$mjc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8g2ll1$mjc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The above replys and if you don't have the "light blue console cable" just make a regular 8 conductor straight thru cable. But you will have to end up using rj45 to db9/db25 adapter (cisco's or the one with compatible pinout). Kumar Dasari "Quinton Maynard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... i can't even believe i have run into this, but getting into my new 2509 for the first time. in the past i have always telnetted into routers using the ip address. how do i get in on the console port? is it hyperterminal?... detailed explanation would be really appreciated, i am feeling dumb tonight. :) thanks quinton Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
