Re: Two DLCI numbers?

2000-12-24 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>You're pretty hip Howard.
>
>Woof..dj


Well, there are networking parables.  Presumably, if the place where 
the dogs were before they were out is a multicast server, then 
whoever let them out should be tracable back to an IGMP JOIN.

Unless, of course, this all took place at layer 2.

And I really want to avoid a discussion of whether or not ARF is 
layer 2 or layer 3, much less reverse ARF and inverse ARF.  My 
esteemed feline associate, Clifford, does do fairly good proxy ARF 
while in native CAT mode.

>
>  > >Tony, you must have a lot of stuff you can clarify for us router jocks.
>Keep
>>  >telling us the inside stuff from the telco side. I'm something of an old
>dog
>>  >who learned a lot from hard knocks and a lot of time of the telephone
>asking
>>  >the other end to explain things in a way that didn't make my head hurt.
>>  >Learned a lot. Can always use a few more bits and pieces.
>>
>  > Did the hard knocks let you and the other dogs out?
>>

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Re: Two DLCI numbers?

2000-12-24 Thread D. J. Jones

You're pretty hip Howard.

Woof..dj

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> >
> >
> >The only limitation on DLCI's is that they fall in the range of 16-1005
( or
> >so? )  A DLCI of 0 indicates an LMI ANSI frame. A DLCI of 1023 indicates
an
> >LMI CISCO frame. The rest are used by the telco for some nefarious
purpose I
> >have never seen explained anyplace.
>
> The 1006-1022 range was intended for carrier-provided multicasting.
> Can't say I ever saw it used.
>
> >
> >Tony, you must have a lot of stuff you can clarify for us router jocks.
Keep
> >telling us the inside stuff from the telco side. I'm something of an old
dog
> >who learned a lot from hard knocks and a lot of time of the telephone
asking
> >the other end to explain things in a way that didn't make my head hurt.
> >Learned a lot. Can always use a few more bits and pieces.
>
> Did the hard knocks let you and the other dogs out?
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RE: Two DLCI numbers?

2000-12-23 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>
>
>The only limitation on DLCI's is that they fall in the range of 16-1005 ( or
>so? )  A DLCI of 0 indicates an LMI ANSI frame. A DLCI of 1023 indicates an
>LMI CISCO frame. The rest are used by the telco for some nefarious purpose I
>have never seen explained anyplace.

The 1006-1022 range was intended for carrier-provided multicasting. 
Can't say I ever saw it used.

>
>Tony, you must have a lot of stuff you can clarify for us router jocks. Keep
>telling us the inside stuff from the telco side. I'm something of an old dog
>who learned a lot from hard knocks and a lot of time of the telephone asking
>the other end to explain things in a way that didn't make my head hurt.
>Learned a lot. Can always use a few more bits and pieces.

Did the hard knocks let you and the other dogs out?

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RE: Two DLCI numbers?

2000-12-23 Thread Chuck Larrieu

A lot of the confusion around DLCI's was cleared up for me when I started
configuring routers as frame switches and did frame route statements. Only
needed to do a couple before it sunk through what was happening and how it
worked.

For example, say you have a router acting as a frame switch, and it has four
serial interfaces, each connected to and end router.

S0, s1, s2, and s2 connected respectively to routers r0, r1, r2, and r3

S0 is the hub of a hub and spoke

S0 configuration:
Frame-relay route 16 int s1 225
Frame-relay route 17 int s2 407
Frame-relay route 18 int s3 996

S1 configuration
Frame-relay route 225 int s0 16

S2 configuration
Frame-relay route 407 int s0 17

S3 configuration
Frame-relay route 996 int s0 18

When you issue the command show frame-relay pvc on r0, you will see DLCI's
16,17, and 18
Three VIRTUAL circuits, each having a path on the frame switch  to a
particular interface

The traffic comes into the switch tagged as DLCI 16 goes out of the switch
tagged as DLCI whatever.

The only limitation on DLCI's is that they fall in the range of 16-1005 ( or
so? )  A DLCI of 0 indicates an LMI ANSI frame. A DLCI of 1023 indicates an
LMI CISCO frame. The rest are used by the telco for some nefarious purpose I
have never seen explained anyplace.

Tony, you must have a lot of stuff you can clarify for us router jocks. Keep
telling us the inside stuff from the telco side. I'm something of an old dog
who learned a lot from hard knocks and a lot of time of the telephone asking
the other end to explain things in a way that didn't make my head hurt.
Learned a lot. Can always use a few more bits and pieces.

Chuck



-Original Message-
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van Ree
Sent:   Saturday, December 23, 2000 7:55 PM
To: Timothy R Estes; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:    Re: Two DLCI numbers?

Hi,

I think you may find that DLCI's are unique to a physical line.  A frame
switch may have several thousand lines attached to it.  Each one of these
lines has a number not all to dissimilar to a phone number.  Within each of
these you can have a number of channels these are the DLCI's.

For example, a line ZX123546L may be a 2Meg service from your router to a
Frame switch.  This may have attached 4 DCLI's 16,17,18,19.  Another service
connected to the same switch AZ54363D could also have DLCI's 16,17,18,19.
You may have a connection (A PVC) from your DLCI 16 on line ZX123546L going
to DLCI 16 in AZ54363D.  The other DCLI's might go to other switches other
lines within the same switch or another PVC to the same service.

The DLCI is between you and the switch on a particular line.  This is then
considered local to you.

That's how I understand it.

Teunis,
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia

On Friday, December 22, 2000 at 02:21:32 PM, Timothy R Estes wrote:

> DLCIs are unique to each frame switch. Meaning, you may have DLCI 203 on
one
> end, and have DLCI 203 on the other, as long as the other end is connected
> to a different frame switch. Or you may have DLCI 203 on one end and DLCI
> 405 on the other. The DLCI has nothing to do with there the traffic is
> eventually going, that's why Cisco uses the term "local significance".
>
> The DLCI tells the frame switch which port to use.
> Remembering that a DLCI is a Layer 2 address might help this make sense.
>
>
> hth
>
> Timothy Estes CCNA
> Senior Network Systems Analyst
> Intermedia Communications
> Tampa FL
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> ""Yee, Jason"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 859B90209E2FD311BE5600902751445D35F19B@LYNX">news:859B90209E2FD311BE5600902751445D35F19B@LYNX...
> > reason is because when building the frame-relay circuit you need to
build
> > two parts , one is towards the customer from frame switch  the other one
> is
> > from provider's router to frame-switch , I normally use the same dlci
nos
> > for the two parts but you can use different
> >
> >
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Jeff McCoy
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 9:37 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Two DLCI numbers?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "jeongwoo park" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Hi all
> > > While I was reading a cisco book, I came across the
> > > fact that DLCI number has only local significance
> > > because there might be more than one DLCI number
> > > associated with one pvc.
> > > Why would any pve in frame relay network have two DLCI
> > > numbers?
> > > I know t

Re: Two DLCI numbers?

2000-12-23 Thread Tony van Ree

Hi,

I think you may find that DLCI's are unique to a physical line.  A frame switch may 
have several thousand lines attached to it.  Each one of these lines has a number not 
all to dissimilar to a phone number.  Within each of these you can have a number of 
channels these are the DLCI's.

For example, a line ZX123546L may be a 2Meg service from your router to a Frame 
switch.  This may have attached 4 DCLI's 16,17,18,19.  Another service connected to 
the same switch AZ54363D could also have DLCI's 16,17,18,19.  You may have a 
connection (A PVC) from your DLCI 16 on line ZX123546L going to DLCI 16 in AZ54363D.  
The other DCLI's might go to other switches other lines within the same switch or 
another PVC to the same service.

The DLCI is between you and the switch on a particular line.  This is then considered 
local to you.

That's how I understand it.

Teunis,
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia
 
On Friday, December 22, 2000 at 02:21:32 PM, Timothy R Estes wrote:

> DLCIs are unique to each frame switch. Meaning, you may have DLCI 203 on one
> end, and have DLCI 203 on the other, as long as the other end is connected
> to a different frame switch. Or you may have DLCI 203 on one end and DLCI
> 405 on the other. The DLCI has nothing to do with there the traffic is
> eventually going, that's why Cisco uses the term "local significance".
> 
> The DLCI tells the frame switch which port to use.
> Remembering that a DLCI is a Layer 2 address might help this make sense.
> 
> 
> hth
> 
> Timothy Estes CCNA
> Senior Network Systems Analyst
> Intermedia Communications
> Tampa FL
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> ""Yee, Jason"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 859B90209E2FD311BE5600902751445D35F19B@LYNX">news:859B90209E2FD311BE5600902751445D35F19B@LYNX...
> > reason is because when building the frame-relay circuit you need to build
> > two parts , one is towards the customer from frame switch  the other one
> is
> > from provider's router to frame-switch , I normally use the same dlci nos
> > for the two parts but you can use different
> >
> >
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Jeff McCoy
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 9:37 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Two DLCI numbers?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "jeongwoo park" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Hi all
> > > While I was reading a cisco book, I came across the
> > > fact that DLCI number has only local significance
> > > because there might be more than one DLCI number
> > > associated with one pvc.
> > > Why would any pve in frame relay network have two DLCI
> > > numbers?
> > > I know that DLCI number is given by frame relay
> > > service provider.
> > > Can someone explain this?
> > >
> > > Thanks in adv.
> > >
> > > jeongwoo
> > >
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Re: Two DLCI numbers?

2000-12-22 Thread Timothy R Estes

DLCIs are unique to each frame switch. Meaning, you may have DLCI 203 on one
end, and have DLCI 203 on the other, as long as the other end is connected
to a different frame switch. Or you may have DLCI 203 on one end and DLCI
405 on the other. The DLCI has nothing to do with there the traffic is
eventually going, that's why Cisco uses the term "local significance".

The DLCI tells the frame switch which port to use.
Remembering that a DLCI is a Layer 2 address might help this make sense.


hth

Timothy Estes CCNA
Senior Network Systems Analyst
Intermedia Communications
Tampa FL
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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> reason is because when building the frame-relay circuit you need to build
> two parts , one is towards the customer from frame switch  the other one
is
> from provider's router to frame-switch , I normally use the same dlci nos
> for the two parts but you can use different
>
>
>
> Jason
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Jeff McCoy
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 9:37 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Two DLCI numbers?
>
>
>
>
> "jeongwoo park" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi all
> > While I was reading a cisco book, I came across the
> > fact that DLCI number has only local significance
> > because there might be more than one DLCI number
> > associated with one pvc.
> > Why would any pve in frame relay network have two DLCI
> > numbers?
> > I know that DLCI number is given by frame relay
> > service provider.
> > Can someone explain this?
> >
> > Thanks in adv.
> >
> > jeongwoo
> >
> >
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RE: Two DLCI numbers?

2000-11-23 Thread Yee, Jason

reason is because when building the frame-relay circuit you need to build
two parts , one is towards the customer from frame switch  the other one is
from provider's router to frame-switch , I normally use the same dlci nos
for the two parts but you can use different 



Jason

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Subject: Re: Two DLCI numbers?




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> Hi all
> While I was reading a cisco book, I came across the
> fact that DLCI number has only local significance
> because there might be more than one DLCI number
> associated with one pvc.
> Why would any pve in frame relay network have two DLCI
> numbers?
> I know that DLCI number is given by frame relay
> service provider.
> Can someone explain this?
>
> Thanks in adv.
>
> jeongwoo
>
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Re: Two DLCI numbers?

2000-11-03 Thread Mike N Balistreri


The PVC have one DLCI on one access link, and a different DLCI on the access
link on the opposite side of PVC.

A PVC connects routers A and B.  Each router has its own access link or UNI
circuit.  The DLCI for the PVC at router A has nothing to do with the DLCI
at router B.  They are usually different numbers.

Now if you mean one PVC at router A has two DLCI's reported to it by the
network - I don't think so.

Mike Balistreri
Minnesota


>Hi all
>While I was reading a cisco book, I came across the
>fact that DLCI number has only local significance
>because there might be more than one DLCI number
>associated with one pvc.
>Why would any pve in frame relay network have two DLCI
>numbers?
>I know that DLCI number is given by frame relay
>service provider.
>Can someone explain this?
>
>Thanks in adv.
>
>jeongwoo



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Re: Two DLCI numbers?

2000-11-03 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

I think he might be looking for a simpler answer. The Data-Link Connection 
Identifier (DLCI) refers to a connection between your site and your 
provider. There is a connection on each end of the virtual circuit. For 
example, if you use Frame Relay to link an office in Paris to an office in 
London, there are two connections:

* Paris office to provider in Paris

* London office to provider in London

The connections can have different connection IDs.

In a LAN environment, an analogy would be the connection between an end 
node and a router, identified by the MAC addresses of the end node and the 
router. When a client on one LAN talks to a server on a different LAN, for 
example, there would be at least two data-link connections:

* Client talking to router (identified by client MAC address and router MAC 
address)
* Router talking to server (identified by router MAC address and server MAC 
address)

That's just an analogy which hopefully helps you understand the WAN concept 
of a data-link connection ID.

Priscilla


At 03:07 PM 11/3/00, Boo Kheng Khoo wrote:
>Hi,
>
>You might have two point-to-point PVC to two different sites, eg. site A 
>is a branch office while site B is your supplier.
>
>Thanks,
>
>At 10:07 PM 11/2/2000 -0800, jeongwoo park wrote:
>>Hi all
>>While I was reading a cisco book, I came across the
>>fact that DLCI number has only local significance
>>because there might be more than one DLCI number
>>associated with one pvc.
>>Why would any pve in frame relay network have two DLCI
>>numbers?
>>I know that DLCI number is given by frame relay
>>service provider.
>>Can someone explain this?
>>
>>Thanks in adv.
>>
>>jeongwoo
>>
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Re: Two DLCI numbers?

2000-11-03 Thread Rodgers Moore

Chuck.  To be REALLY retentive.  :p  A single PVC that traverses 50 frame
switches has 1 DLCI per interface or 2 DLCI's per switch.  The DLCI's
between two switches have to match. You, the customer, are only told about
the two DLCI's you see.  So, in this example there are actually 51 DLCI's
associated with the 1 PVC and ALL of them are locally significant, otherwise
we'd run out of DLCI's really quick.

Another small fact is that LMI does not have to match end to end.  It's
locally significant too.

Rodgers Moore :)))

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> To be anal retentive about it, DLCI's are not locally significant because
> there might be more than one per pvc.
>
> There are only 10 bits in the DLCI field, meaning you can have a max of
> 1023. This fact alone would indicate the difficulty of having globally
> significant numbers. ;->
>
> One may request specific DLCI's from the provider. If you don't, the
carrier
> will out of habit just assign beginning at 16. But in fact many net
managers
> request specific numbers based on their design plan.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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> Subject: Two DLCI numbers?
>
> Hi all
> While I was reading a cisco book, I came across the
> fact that DLCI number has only local significance
> because there might be more than one DLCI number
> associated with one pvc.
> Why would any pve in frame relay network have two DLCI
> numbers?
> I know that DLCI number is given by frame relay
> service provider.
> Can someone explain this?
>
> Thanks in adv.
>
> jeongwoo
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Re: Two DLCI numbers?

2000-11-03 Thread Jeff McCoy



"jeongwoo park" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Hi all
> While I was reading a cisco book, I came across the
> fact that DLCI number has only local significance
> because there might be more than one DLCI number
> associated with one pvc.
> Why would any pve in frame relay network have two DLCI
> numbers?
> I know that DLCI number is given by frame relay
> service provider.
> Can someone explain this?
>
> Thanks in adv.
>
> jeongwoo
>
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Re: Two DLCI numbers?

2000-11-03 Thread Michael Fountain

The DLCIs aren't always given by the provider.  Depending on the provider 
and how much busniness you do with them, you can request specific DLCIs.

The way we are doing it is multi-point frame connections from our central 
offic to our remote office.

   All PVCs connecting to a given T1 at our central office use the same DLCI 
at the HDQ site (201) and then use different DLCIs for each of the remote 
sites (301-399)
   The next T1 at HDQ is given a different DLCI (202) and the remote sites 
connecting to that T1 are again numbered (301-399)

When you have a lot of connections (around 7000 in our case) it makes it 
easier to manage like this.  If there is a problem, we can use the DLCI pair 
to identify which T1 it is in our HDQ, and which of the DLCI nubmers belongs 
to the remote side of the connection.


>
>Hi all
>While I was reading a cisco book, I came across the
>fact that DLCI number has only local significance
>because there might be more than one DLCI number
>associated with one pvc.
>Why would any pve in frame relay network have two DLCI
>numbers?
>I know that DLCI number is given by frame relay
>service provider.
>Can someone explain this?
>
>Thanks in adv.
>
>jeongwoo

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RE: Two DLCI numbers?

2000-11-03 Thread Chuck Larrieu

To be anal retentive about it, DLCI's are not locally significant because
there might be more than one per pvc.

There are only 10 bits in the DLCI field, meaning you can have a max of
1023. This fact alone would indicate the difficulty of having globally
significant numbers. ;->

One may request specific DLCI's from the provider. If you don't, the carrier
will out of habit just assign beginning at 16. But in fact many net managers
request specific numbers based on their design plan.

Chuck


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Hi all
While I was reading a cisco book, I came across the
fact that DLCI number has only local significance
because there might be more than one DLCI number
associated with one pvc.
Why would any pve in frame relay network have two DLCI
numbers?
I know that DLCI number is given by frame relay
service provider.
Can someone explain this?

Thanks in adv.

jeongwoo


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Re: Two DLCI numbers?

2000-11-02 Thread Boo Kheng Khoo

Hi,

You might have two point-to-point PVC to two different sites, eg. site A is 
a branch office while site B is your supplier.

Thanks,

At 10:07 PM 11/2/2000 -0800, jeongwoo park wrote:
>Hi all
>While I was reading a cisco book, I came across the
>fact that DLCI number has only local significance
>because there might be more than one DLCI number
>associated with one pvc.
>Why would any pve in frame relay network have two DLCI
>numbers?
>I know that DLCI number is given by frame relay
>service provider.
>Can someone explain this?
>
>Thanks in adv.
>
>jeongwoo
>
>
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Two DLCI numbers?

2000-11-02 Thread jeongwoo park

Hi all
While I was reading a cisco book, I came across the
fact that DLCI number has only local significance
because there might be more than one DLCI number
associated with one pvc.
Why would any pve in frame relay network have two DLCI
numbers?
I know that DLCI number is given by frame relay
service provider.
Can someone explain this?

Thanks in adv.

jeongwoo


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