Re: Stus-List Marine systems

[Josh Muckley]

Steve,

Check out this open source package.

http://marinux.tuxfamily.org/

You can have the screen relay to a marinized touch screen at the helm or
you can use any older chart plotter/gps to interface via NMEA 0183.

Josh
On Feb 19, 2014 9:06 PM, "Stevan Plavsa"  wrote:

> Do you guys know what OS Raymarine, Garmin et al use? I'm sure they're
> different but I'm guessing they are all proprietary to their brand. Is that
> correct? If it is, that would mean that they have a whole team of people
> developing their OS, right?
>
> Why?
>
> A thought: why don't they simply license Android, fire their software
> department (or re-orient them to create amazing Raymarine/Garmin, whatever
> apps for Android) and make more money? We the consumer get a platform
> that's much more flexible than what those devices are currently running
> plus access to all these wonderful apps, which would only get better and
> better if there was a hardware environment for them more suitable to the
> marine environment than tablets. The fact that Raymarine now has apps for
> those devices is telling, people are clearly using tablets on their boats.
> I think they have it backwards. Don't bring raymarine to the android
> device. Bring Android to the raymarine device. The marine tech companies
> are in the hardware business first, software is secondary. They should
> stick to their core competency and let the big guys do the software part.
> More frequent updates and bug fixes, a standard user experience regardless
> of manufacturer. The freedom and ability to run all kinds of apps on your
> boat computer (because that's what a chart plotter is). Etc. There's
> already a software environment which means there is demand in the market
> (navionics, mx mariner, opencpn, etc). My feeling is that the software
> companies are going to be able to provide much better apps for us than what
> raymarine and garmin are currently giving us.
>
> Imagine a raymarine computer at your helm, just like their top of the line
> plotter but you can install whatever you want on it and do whatever you can
> currently do with your android device (because it runs android). If they
> wanted to, they could port their chart software to android and sell it as
> an app or provide coupon codes to download it free with the purchase of
> their hardware. Why is Raymarine developing music playing apps and weather
> apps for their proprietary platform? That costs money! and this stuff
> already exists.
>
> Think blackberry. They got it all wrong. Along came Samsung and took the
> entire market (Apple too, but Samsung is #1). If blackberry licensed
> Android before the whole end game thing happened I think they'd still be
> around, and profitable. People liked their platform, sure, but what they
> really liked was their *hardware*. I've played around with the chart
> plotters at the boat show and the chandleries. I wasn't really impressed
> with any of the interfaces. They should continue to build amazing marine
> grade HARDWARE and let the people that know software handle that part.
>
> Someone is going to come along and do this. Personally, I would buy a
> "Marine Tough" android device for the helm before I purchased any purpose
> built plotter. It would do everything that a plotter does plus so much more
> (for those times when you're alongside a dock and want to watch a movie in
> the cockpit or some other frivolous thing like facebook or the C&C mailing
> list ;) ). Hell, install a display down below.
> "Computer. Play movie. Terminator 2."
> And so on. Science fiction had it all figured out with Hal. One central
> computer.
>
> One computer to rule them all and in the dorkness bind them.
>
> I wish I was capable of starting a business like this, I'de do it myself.
>
> Most people have MULTIPLE computers on board. The VHF these days is a
> computer, the laptop at the nav station, the chart plotter, the instrument
> displays .. why?!!! Just give me one CPU running a commonly used platform
> and let the software companies duke it out. Plug in a bunch of dumb
> displays or interactive displays, whatever your budget allows. Hook up all
> your transducers and sensors and you're off to the races. Focus on making
> amazing marine hardware and continue to charge marine prices for it. Stop
> spending money on coders to maintain your proprietary system and MAKE MORE
> MONEY. Or like I said before, turn them into an App department and port
> what they've already got as apps .. FOR SALE!
>
>
> Rambling thoughts on a wednesday night.
> Someone's going to owe me a beer if this happens.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[Roger Ware]

Rich, I bought one of these at that price, and it is waiting for installation 
in the Spring. I had one before, they are excellent units. And BTW – they have 
preinstalled chart data, so gone is the era when you have to get ripped off 
buying a $300 chart chip as well as the GPS.  Don’t get me wrong, I love the 
iPad, but it doesn’t do everything.

 

Roger, Kingston

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles
Sent: February-19-14 11:57 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

 

A Standard Horizon CP190i is available for less than $400, is waterproof and 
very reliable. See binnacle.com. 

Rich


On Feb 19, 2014, at 11:53, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:

The problem with an expensive helm mounted chart plotter is that it'll be old 
news in a few years. I'm not keen on spending ~$1500 or more on a chart plotter 
that will be "old tech" a few years from now. The iPad does so much more than 
navigation and is half the price. Sure, you can't read it easily in sunlight 
and it's not waterproof .. I can buy two iPads for the price of a raymarine 
plotter though. And I can take the iPad home and do all sorts of other things 
with it (primarily reading sailing magazines with Zinio) but I digress...

 

I'de like to have a plotter, or some kind of multi-display unit at the helm but 
the prices on them aren't justified in my opinion. I am making the same thing 
using OpenCPN, a laptop and likely the Standard Horizon GX2200 for GPS and AIS 
info for the laptop. I already have the laptop, OpenCPN is free (and good!) so 
I'll only be spending the $350 on the AIS/GPS capable VHF radio vs $1500 
for the same functionality at the helm? I can't justify that.

 

If the technology was more modular, ie; the multidisplay had proper buttons and 
was really *JUST* a display and interface I'de be more interested. $1500 is a 
lot to spend on what is essentially a touch screen monitor .. except it's not 
is it? It's a raymarine/garmin/sh whizbang that isn't upgradable and will 
essentially suck compared to the new stuff in 5 years. Oh yeah,and charts are 
really expensive too. I happily paid $50 for navionics with charts for all of 
North America!!! Charts that get updated! Give me a waterproof, sun viewable 
iPad type device that uses open protocols that i can mount at the helm and I'de 
gladly spend $1500 on it. All I need is a display and an interface (buttons and 
touch, but don't take my buttons away). A computer is a computer is a 
computer

 

There are nice plotters that I would like to have, it's just a question of 
value for the money. My boat bucks are needed elsewhere.

 

Steve

Suhana, C&C 32

Toronto

 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Roger Ware  wrote:

I have an iPad with Navionics but still find some shortcomings (a) the software 
doesn’t do very much except tell you where you are (b) the iPad is not sunlight 
readable  and (c) not waterproof.  I am a bit surprised by the level of 
enthusiasm among this expert group  - surely a purpose built helm mounted 
chartplotter still dominates?

 

Cheers, Roger Ware

Kingston, Ontario

Waiting for Spring, or at least a break in this miserable Winter

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton
Sent: February-19-14 9:50 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com


Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

 

On deliveries I use every piece of equipment available. On my own boat, I have 
radar and an old plotter. On both the iPad is my go-to nav unit. On my boat, 
when I'm anchored and in my bunk I can instantly check whether I'm dragging 
with a glance at my iPad. On deliveries, when I'm off watch, I can check on 
what course and speed the watch on deck is able to maintain. I also carry a 
very basic hand-held GPS as back up and almost all boats I get on have at least 
a hard-wired GPS aboard and most have a plotter.

Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine

 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Richard N. Bush  wrote:

Andrew, I note your comment about using the ipad for navigation; do you also 
use some type of MPS or chartplotter on your personal boat? and if so, how is 
it used in conjunction with the ipad?   On deliveries, do you use the boat's 
navigation equipment? Or just your personal ipad? Thanks

Richard

1985 37 CB (sunshine and 60 degrees-snow is melting!)

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9
Louisville, Kentucky 40220 
502-584-7255

 

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Burton 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 9:17 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

I use iNavX on my ipad and haven't actually pulled out a paper chart in more 
than two years (15,000 miles). I still carry the paper charts but haven't used 
'em. It's the only plotter I use on my boat.

Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine

 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Nonpareil Racing  
wrote:

Steve et al,
Have you considered using an ipad with Navionics or another brand of software?

To

Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[Rich Knowles]

I have had SH chart plotters ever since the first monochrome unit hit the 
market. I consider them to be excellent value for the $$.  I generally put them 
up for sale before they die and buy the latest model. Mine is installed along 
with my 23 year old Furuno radar in a small piece of cabinetry I built inside 
the aft cabin. I can see them from the helm and the numerical SOG, COG, BTW and 
DTW is repeated at a now obsolete Raymarine Raydata instrument on the binnacle. 
Works fine for me. 

I don't like using laptops on board for navigation as they use way more power 
than dedicated purpose built chart plotters and, while I have an iPad and 
similar devices, the reliability and availability of 12v installed gear makes 
that the gear of choice for me.

I do work part time for The Binnacle and the Boat Show is on this week. Good 
pricing on all our electronics. Check the web. 

Damn. I'm shameless!!

Rich Knowles
INDIGO LF38
Halifax NS
Land of the Interminable Winter. 

> On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:37, "Roger Ware"  wrote:
> 
> Rich, I bought one of these at that price, and it is waiting for installation 
> in the Spring. I had one before, they are excellent units. And BTW – they 
> have preinstalled chart data, so gone is the era when you have to get ripped 
> off buying a $300 chart chip as well as the GPS.  Don’t get me wrong, I love 
> the iPad, but it doesn’t do everything.
>  
> Roger, Kingston
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich 
> Knowles
> Sent: February-19-14 11:57 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>  
> A Standard Horizon CP190i is available for less than $400, is waterproof and 
> very reliable. See binnacle.com. 
> 
> Rich
> 
> On Feb 19, 2014, at 11:53, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
> 
> The problem with an expensive helm mounted chart plotter is that it'll be old 
> news in a few years. I'm not keen on spending ~$1500 or more on a chart 
> plotter that will be "old tech" a few years from now. The iPad does so much 
> more than navigation and is half the price. Sure, you can't read it easily in 
> sunlight and it's not waterproof .. I can buy two iPads for the price of a 
> raymarine plotter though. And I can take the iPad home and do all sorts of 
> other things with it (primarily reading sailing magazines with Zinio) but I 
> digress...
>  
> I'de like to have a plotter, or some kind of multi-display unit at the helm 
> but the prices on them aren't justified in my opinion. I am making the same 
> thing using OpenCPN, a laptop and likely the Standard Horizon GX2200 for GPS 
> and AIS info for the laptop. I already have the laptop, OpenCPN is free (and 
> good!) so I'll only be spending the $350 on the AIS/GPS capable VHF radio 
> vs $1500 for the same functionality at the helm? I can't justify that.
>  
> If the technology was more modular, ie; the multidisplay had proper buttons 
> and was really *JUST* a display and interface I'de be more interested. $1500 
> is a lot to spend on what is essentially a touch screen monitor .. except 
> it's not is it? It's a raymarine/garmin/sh whizbang that isn't upgradable and 
> will essentially suck compared to the new stuff in 5 years. Oh yeah,and 
> charts are really expensive too. I happily paid $50 for navionics with charts 
> for all of North America!!! Charts that get updated! Give me a waterproof, 
> sun viewable iPad type device that uses open protocols that i can mount at 
> the helm and I'de gladly spend $1500 on it. All I need is a display and an 
> interface (buttons and touch, but don't take my buttons away). A computer is 
> a computer is a computer
>  
> There are nice plotters that I would like to have, it's just a question of 
> value for the money. My boat bucks are needed elsewhere.
>  
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>  
> 
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Roger Ware  wrote:
> I have an iPad with Navionics but still find some shortcomings (a) the 
> software doesn’t do very much except tell you where you are (b) the iPad is 
> not sunlight readable  and (c) not waterproof.  I am a bit surprised by the 
> level of enthusiasm among this expert group  - surely a purpose built helm 
> mounted chartplotter still dominates?
>  
> Cheers, Roger Ware
> Kingston, Ontario
> Waiting for Spring, or at least a break in this miserable Winter
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Burton
> Sent: February-19-14 9:50 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>  
> On deliveries I use every piece of equipment available. On my own boat, I 
> have radar and an old plotter. On both the iPad is my go-to nav unit. On my 
> boat, when I'm anchored and in my bunk I can instantly check whether I'm 
> dragging with a glance at my iPad. On deliveries, when I'm off watch, I can 
> check on what course and speed the watch on deck is able to maintain. I also 
> carry a very basic hand-held GPS as back

Re: Stus-List Marine systems

[Stevan Plavsa]

Nice.


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Josh Muckley  wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Check out this open source package.
>
> http://marinux.tuxfamily.org/
>
> You can have the screen relay to a marinized touch screen at the helm or
> you can use any older chart plotter/gps to interface via NMEA 0183.
>
> Josh
> On Feb 19, 2014 9:06 PM, "Stevan Plavsa"  wrote:
>
>> Do you guys know what OS Raymarine, Garmin et al use? I'm sure they're
>> different but I'm guessing they are all proprietary to their brand. Is that
>> correct? If it is, that would mean that they have a whole team of people
>> developing their OS, right?
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> A thought: why don't they simply license Android, fire their software
>> department (or re-orient them to create amazing Raymarine/Garmin, whatever
>> apps for Android) and make more money? We the consumer get a platform
>> that's much more flexible than what those devices are currently running
>> plus access to all these wonderful apps, which would only get better and
>> better if there was a hardware environment for them more suitable to the
>> marine environment than tablets. The fact that Raymarine now has apps for
>> those devices is telling, people are clearly using tablets on their boats.
>> I think they have it backwards. Don't bring raymarine to the android
>> device. Bring Android to the raymarine device. The marine tech companies
>> are in the hardware business first, software is secondary. They should
>> stick to their core competency and let the big guys do the software part.
>> More frequent updates and bug fixes, a standard user experience regardless
>> of manufacturer. The freedom and ability to run all kinds of apps on your
>> boat computer (because that's what a chart plotter is). Etc. There's
>> already a software environment which means there is demand in the market
>> (navionics, mx mariner, opencpn, etc). My feeling is that the software
>> companies are going to be able to provide much better apps for us than what
>> raymarine and garmin are currently giving us.
>>
>> Imagine a raymarine computer at your helm, just like their top of the
>> line plotter but you can install whatever you want on it and do whatever
>> you can currently do with your android device (because it runs android). If
>> they wanted to, they could port their chart software to android and sell it
>> as an app or provide coupon codes to download it free with the purchase of
>> their hardware. Why is Raymarine developing music playing apps and weather
>> apps for their proprietary platform? That costs money! and this stuff
>> already exists.
>>
>> Think blackberry. They got it all wrong. Along came Samsung and took the
>> entire market (Apple too, but Samsung is #1). If blackberry licensed
>> Android before the whole end game thing happened I think they'd still be
>> around, and profitable. People liked their platform, sure, but what they
>> really liked was their *hardware*. I've played around with the chart
>> plotters at the boat show and the chandleries. I wasn't really impressed
>> with any of the interfaces. They should continue to build amazing marine
>> grade HARDWARE and let the people that know software handle that part.
>>
>> Someone is going to come along and do this. Personally, I would buy a
>> "Marine Tough" android device for the helm before I purchased any purpose
>> built plotter. It would do everything that a plotter does plus so much more
>> (for those times when you're alongside a dock and want to watch a movie in
>> the cockpit or some other frivolous thing like facebook or the C&C mailing
>> list ;) ). Hell, install a display down below.
>> "Computer. Play movie. Terminator 2."
>> And so on. Science fiction had it all figured out with Hal. One central
>> computer.
>>
>> One computer to rule them all and in the dorkness bind them.
>>
>> I wish I was capable of starting a business like this, I'de do it myself.
>>
>> Most people have MULTIPLE computers on board. The VHF these days is a
>> computer, the laptop at the nav station, the chart plotter, the instrument
>> displays .. why?!!! Just give me one CPU running a commonly used platform
>> and let the software companies duke it out. Plug in a bunch of dumb
>> displays or interactive displays, whatever your budget allows. Hook up all
>> your transducers and sensors and you're off to the races. Focus on making
>> amazing marine hardware and continue to charge marine prices for it. Stop
>> spending money on coders to maintain your proprietary system and MAKE MORE
>> MONEY. Or like I said before, turn them into an App department and port
>> what they've already got as apps .. FOR SALE!
>>
>>
>> Rambling thoughts on a wednesday night.
>> Someone's going to owe me a beer if this happens.
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>> Toronto
>>
>>
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>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com
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>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Pads

[Hoyt, Mike]

When I hear pads I think brakes.  Have been replacing pads and rotors on
my Chev Silverado and anyone who has tried to remove old seized metal
parts from underside of a vehicle lately will recall it is as much fun
as crawling thru a lazarette hatch to a cockpit locker to address a
backing plate for a cleat or other hardware 

I suspect the ipad is not terrible in sunlight though if you need to
talk about those.  The biggest drawback of the apple products is a lack
of external ports.  Decide if you will need any of those and plan
accordingly.

Mike

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
ahycr...@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 4:40 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Pads

We are about to buy one of the new "pads" so we can move up to the
latest system both on board as well as at home. Are there any that have
good results when in direct sunlight?  not sure which ones are the best
any help with this info

 
Gary Kolc
 
"Liberty"
 
1976 38' MK I

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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[Stevan Plavsa]

Rich, I was under the impression that one had to buy chart chips to use the
Standard Horizon. Is that not true?

Roger, you're on Lake Ontario. It sounds like the charts that come
pre-installed are fine?

Steve


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:

> I have had SH chart plotters ever since the first monochrome unit hit the
> market. I consider them to be excellent value for the $$.  I generally put
> them up for sale before they die and buy the latest model. Mine is
> installed along with my 23 year old Furuno radar in a small piece of
> cabinetry I built inside the aft cabin. I can see them from the helm and
> the numerical SOG, COG, BTW and DTW is repeated at a now obsolete Raymarine
> Raydata instrument on the binnacle. Works fine for me.
>
> I don't like using laptops on board for navigation as they use way more
> power than dedicated purpose built chart plotters and, while I have an iPad
> and similar devices, the reliability and availability of 12v installed gear
> makes that the gear of choice for me.
>
> I do work part time for The Binnacle and the Boat Show is on this week.
> Good pricing on all our electronics. Check the web.
>
> Damn. I'm shameless!!
>
> Rich Knowles
> INDIGO LF38
> Halifax NS
> Land of the Interminable Winter.
>
> On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:37, "Roger Ware"  wrote:
>
> Rich, I bought one of these at that price, and it is waiting for
> installation in the Spring. I had one before, they are excellent units. And
> BTW - they have preinstalled chart data, so gone is the era when you have
> to get ripped off buying a $300 chart chip as well as the GPS.  Don't get
> me wrong, I love the iPad, but it doesn't do everything.
>
>
>
> Roger, Kingston
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Rich Knowles
> *Sent:* February-19-14 11:57 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>
>
>
> A Standard Horizon CP190i is available for less than $400, is waterproof
> and very reliable. See binnacle.com.
>
> Rich
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2014, at 11:53, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
>
> The problem with an expensive helm mounted chart plotter is that it'll be
> old news in a few years. I'm not keen on spending ~$1500 or more on a chart
> plotter that will be "old tech" a few years from now. The iPad does so much
> more than navigation and is half the price. Sure, you can't read it easily
> in sunlight and it's not waterproof .. I can buy two iPads for the price of
> a raymarine plotter though. And I can take the iPad home and do all sorts
> of other things with it (primarily reading sailing magazines with Zinio)
> but I digress...
>
>
>
> I'de like to have a plotter, or some kind of multi-display unit at the
> helm but the prices on them aren't justified in my opinion. I am making the
> same thing using OpenCPN, a laptop and likely the Standard Horizon GX2200
> for GPS and AIS info for the laptop. I already have the laptop, OpenCPN is
> free (and good!) so I'll only be spending the $350 on the AIS/GPS capable
> VHF radio vs $1500 for the same functionality at the helm? I can't
> justify that.
>
>
>
> If the technology was more modular, ie; the multidisplay had proper
> buttons and was really *JUST* a display and interface I'de be more
> interested. $1500 is a lot to spend on what is essentially a touch screen
> monitor .. except it's not is it? It's a raymarine/garmin/sh whizbang that
> isn't upgradable and will essentially suck compared to the new stuff in 5
> years. Oh yeah,and charts are really expensive too. I happily paid $50 for
> navionics with charts for all of North America!!! Charts that get updated!
> Give me a waterproof, sun viewable iPad type device that uses open
> protocols that i can mount at the helm and I'de gladly spend $1500 on it.
> All I need is a display and an interface (buttons *and* touch, but don't
> take my buttons away). A computer is a computer is a computer
>
>
>
> There are nice plotters that I would like to have, it's just a question of
> value for the money. My boat bucks are needed elsewhere.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> Suhana, C&C 32
>
> Toronto
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Roger Ware 
> wrote:
>
> I have an iPad with Navionics but still find some shortcomings (a) the
> software doesn't do very much except tell you where you are (b) the iPad is
> not sunlight readable  and (c) not waterproof.  I am a bit surprised by the
> level of enthusiasm among this expert group  - surely a purpose built helm
> mounted chartplotter still dominates?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Roger Ware
>
> Kingston, Ontario
>
> Waiting for Spring, or at least a break in this miserable Winter
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
> Burton
> *Sent:* February-19-14 9:50 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>
>
>
> On deliveries I use every piece of equipment available. On my own boat, I
> have radar and an old plotter. On bot

Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[Richard N. Bush]

I cannot find the Standard Horizon products on the binnacle site; (I selected 
the US button when first getting on the site); is it for Canada only? Thanks


Richard
1985 37 CB
 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9
Louisville, Kentucky 40220 
502-584-7255



-Original Message-
From: Stevan Plavsa 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:35 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software


Rich, I was under the impression that one had to buy chart chips to use the 
Standard Horizon. Is that not true? 


Roger, you're on Lake Ontario. It sounds like the charts that come 
pre-installed are fine?


Steve



On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:


I have had SH chart plotters ever since the first monochrome unit hit the 
market. I consider them to be excellent value for the $$.  I generally put them 
up for sale before they die and buy the latest model. Mine is installed along 
with my 23 year old Furuno radar in a small piece of cabinetry I built inside 
the aft cabin. I can see them from the helm and the numerical SOG, COG, BTW and 
DTW is repeated at a now obsolete Raymarine Raydata instrument on the binnacle. 
Works fine for me. 


I don't like using laptops on board for navigation as they use way more power 
than dedicated purpose built chart plotters and, while I have an iPad and 
similar devices, the reliability and availability of 12v installed gear makes 
that the gear of choice for me.


I do work part time for The Binnacle and the Boat Show is on this week. Good 
pricing on all our electronics. Check the web. 


Damn. I'm shameless!!

Rich Knowles
INDIGO LF38
Halifax NS
Land of the Interminable Winter. 


On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:37, "Roger Ware"  wrote:




Rich, I bought one of these at that price, and it is waiting for installation 
in the Spring. I had one before, they are excellent units. And BTW – they have 
preinstalled chart data, so gone is the era when you have to get ripped off 
buying a $300 chart chip as well as the GPS.  Don’t get me wrong, I love the 
iPad, but it doesn’t do everything.
 
Roger, Kingston
 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles
Sent: February-19-14 11:57 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

 

A Standard Horizon CP190i is available for less than $400, is waterproof and 
very reliable. See binnacle.com. 

Rich


On Feb 19, 2014, at 11:53, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:


The problem with an expensive helm mounted chart plotter is that it'll be old 
news in a few years. I'm not keen on spending ~$1500 or more on a chart plotter 
that will be "old tech" a few years from now. The iPad does so much more than 
navigation and is half the price. Sure, you can't read it easily in sunlight 
and it's not waterproof .. I can buy two iPads for the price of a raymarine 
plotter though. And I can take the iPad home and do all sorts of other things 
with it (primarily reading sailing magazines with Zinio) but I digress...

 

I'de like to have a plotter, or some kind of multi-display unit at the helm but 
the prices on them aren't justified in my opinion. I am making the same thing 
using OpenCPN, a laptop and likely the Standard Horizon GX2200 for GPS and AIS 
info for the laptop. I already have the laptop, OpenCPN is free (and good!) so 
I'll only be spending the $350 on the AIS/GPS capable VHF radio vs $1500 
for the same functionality at the helm? I can't justify that.

 

If the technology was more modular, ie; the multidisplay had proper buttons and 
was really *JUST* a display and interface I'de be more interested. $1500 is a 
lot to spend on what is essentially a touch screen monitor .. except it's not 
is it? It's a raymarine/garmin/sh whizbang that isn't upgradable and will 
essentially suck compared to the new stuff in 5 years. Oh yeah,and charts are 
really expensive too. I happily paid $50 for navionics with charts for all of 
North America!!! Charts that get updated! Give me a waterproof, sun viewable 
iPad type device that uses open protocols that i can mount at the helm and I'de 
gladly spend $1500 on it. All I need is a display and an interface (buttons and 
touch, but don't take my buttons away). A computer is a computer is a 
computer

 

There are nice plotters that I would like to have, it's just a question of 
value for the money. My boat bucks are needed elsewhere.

 

Steve

Suhana, C&C 32

Toronto


 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Roger Ware  wrote:

I have an iPad with Navionics but still find some shortcomings (a) the software 
doesn’t do very much except tell you where you are (b) the iPad is not sunlight 
readable  and (c) not waterproof.  I am a bit surprised by the level of 
enthusiasm among this expert group  - surely a purpose built helm mounted 
chartplotter still dominates?
 
Cheers, Roger Ware
Kingston, Ontario
Waiting for Spring, or at least a break in this miserable Winter
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list

Re: Stus-List Navigation Software - SH C190i

[Dennis Cheuvront]

You only have to buy a chart chip if you want the "expanded" info on
marinas, etc.  That is, telephone numbers, etc.  It comes loaded with
charts for navigation.  Just hook it up and go sailing.

Mine is interfaced with a SH Matrix AIS so I see the AIS targets.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

> Rich, I was under the impression that one had to buy chart chips to use
> the Standard Horizon. Is that not true?
>
> Roger, you're on Lake Ontario. It sounds like the charts that come
> pre-installed are fine?
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:
>
>> I have had SH chart plotters ever since the first monochrome unit hit the
>> market. I consider them to be excellent value for the $$.  I generally put
>> them up for sale before they die and buy the latest model. Mine is
>> installed along with my 23 year old Furuno radar in a small piece of
>> cabinetry I built inside the aft cabin. I can see them from the helm and
>> the numerical SOG, COG, BTW and DTW is repeated at a now obsolete Raymarine
>> Raydata instrument on the binnacle. Works fine for me.
>>
>> I don't like using laptops on board for navigation as they use way more
>> power than dedicated purpose built chart plotters and, while I have an iPad
>> and similar devices, the reliability and availability of 12v installed gear
>> makes that the gear of choice for me.
>>
>> I do work part time for The Binnacle and the Boat Show is on this week.
>> Good pricing on all our electronics. Check the web.
>>
>> Damn. I'm shameless!!
>>
>> Rich Knowles
>> INDIGO LF38
>> Halifax NS
>> Land of the Interminable Winter.
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:37, "Roger Ware"  wrote:
>>
>> Rich, I bought one of these at that price, and it is waiting for
>> installation in the Spring. I had one before, they are excellent units. And
>> BTW - they have preinstalled chart data, so gone is the era when you have
>> to get ripped off buying a $300 chart chip as well as the GPS.  Don't get
>> me wrong, I love the iPad, but it doesn't do everything.
>>
>>
>>
>> Roger, Kingston
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List 
>> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
>> *On Behalf Of *Rich Knowles
>> *Sent:* February-19-14 11:57 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>>
>>
>>
>> A Standard Horizon CP190i is available for less than $400, is waterproof
>> and very reliable. See binnacle.com.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2014, at 11:53, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
>>
>> The problem with an expensive helm mounted chart plotter is that it'll be
>> old news in a few years. I'm not keen on spending ~$1500 or more on a chart
>> plotter that will be "old tech" a few years from now. The iPad does so much
>> more than navigation and is half the price. Sure, you can't read it easily
>> in sunlight and it's not waterproof .. I can buy two iPads for the price of
>> a raymarine plotter though. And I can take the iPad home and do all sorts
>> of other things with it (primarily reading sailing magazines with Zinio)
>> but I digress...
>>
>>
>>
>> I'de like to have a plotter, or some kind of multi-display unit at the
>> helm but the prices on them aren't justified in my opinion. I am making the
>> same thing using OpenCPN, a laptop and likely the Standard Horizon GX2200
>> for GPS and AIS info for the laptop. I already have the laptop, OpenCPN is
>> free (and good!) so I'll only be spending the $350 on the AIS/GPS capable
>> VHF radio vs $1500 for the same functionality at the helm? I can't
>> justify that.
>>
>>
>>
>> If the technology was more modular, ie; the multidisplay had proper
>> buttons and was really *JUST* a display and interface I'de be more
>> interested. $1500 is a lot to spend on what is essentially a touch screen
>> monitor .. except it's not is it? It's a raymarine/garmin/sh whizbang that
>> isn't upgradable and will essentially suck compared to the new stuff in 5
>> years. Oh yeah,and charts are really expensive too. I happily paid $50 for
>> navionics with charts for all of North America!!! Charts that get updated!
>> Give me a waterproof, sun viewable iPad type device that uses open
>> protocols that i can mount at the helm and I'de gladly spend $1500 on it.
>> All I need is a display and an interface (buttons *and* touch, but don't
>> take my buttons away). A computer is a computer is a computer
>>
>>
>>
>> There are nice plotters that I would like to have, it's just a question
>> of value for the money. My boat bucks are needed elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>>
>> Toronto
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Roger Ware 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have an iPad with Navionics but still find some shortcomings (a) the
>> software doesn't do very much except tell you where you are (b) the iPad is
>> not sunlight readable  and (c) not waterproof.  I am a bit surprised by the
>> level of enthusiasm among this expert group  - surely a purpose built helm

Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[Stevan Plavsa]

Here you go Richard:
http://ca.binnacle.com/product_info.php?products_id=8279

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Richard N. Bush  wrote:

> I cannot find the Standard Horizon products on the binnacle site; (I
> selected the US button when first getting on the site); is it for Canada
> only? Thanks
>
>  Richard
> 1985 37 CB
>
>
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> 502-584-7255
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stevan Plavsa 
> To: cnc-list 
> Sent: Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:35 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>
>  Rich, I was under the impression that one had to buy chart chips to use
> the Standard Horizon. Is that not true?
>
>  Roger, you're on Lake Ontario. It sounds like the charts that come
> pre-installed are fine?
>
>  Steve
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:
>
>>  I have had SH chart plotters ever since the first monochrome unit hit
>> the market. I consider them to be excellent value for the $$.  I generally
>> put them up for sale before they die and buy the latest model. Mine is
>> installed along with my 23 year old Furuno radar in a small piece of
>> cabinetry I built inside the aft cabin. I can see them from the helm and
>> the numerical SOG, COG, BTW and DTW is repeated at a now obsolete Raymarine
>> Raydata instrument on the binnacle. Works fine for me.
>>
>>  I don't like using laptops on board for navigation as they use way more
>> power than dedicated purpose built chart plotters and, while I have an iPad
>> and similar devices, the reliability and availability of 12v installed gear
>> makes that the gear of choice for me.
>>
>>  I do work part time for The Binnacle and the Boat Show is on this week.
>> Good pricing on all our electronics. Check the web.
>>
>>  Damn. I'm shameless!!
>>
>> Rich Knowles
>> INDIGO LF38
>> Halifax NS
>> Land of the Interminable Winter.
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:37, "Roger Ware"  wrote:
>>
>>   Rich, I bought one of these at that price, and it is waiting for
>> installation in the Spring. I had one before, they are excellent units. And
>> BTW - they have preinstalled chart data, so gone is the era when you have
>> to get ripped off buying a $300 chart chip as well as the GPS.  Don't get
>> me wrong, I love the iPad, but it doesn't do everything.
>>
>> Roger, Kingston
>>
>>  *From:* CnC-List 
>> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
>> *On Behalf Of *Rich Knowles
>> *Sent:* February-19-14 11:57 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>>
>>  A Standard Horizon CP190i is available for less than $400, is
>> waterproof and very reliable. See binnacle.com.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2014, at 11:53, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
>>
>>  The problem with an expensive helm mounted chart plotter is that it'll
>> be old news in a few years. I'm not keen on spending ~$1500 or more on a
>> chart plotter that will be "old tech" a few years from now. The iPad does
>> so much more than navigation and is half the price. Sure, you can't read it
>> easily in sunlight and it's not waterproof .. I can buy two iPads for the
>> price of a raymarine plotter though. And I can take the iPad home and do
>> all sorts of other things with it (primarily reading sailing magazines with
>> Zinio) but I digress...
>>
>>  I'de like to have a plotter, or some kind of multi-display unit at the
>> helm but the prices on them aren't justified in my opinion. I am making the
>> same thing using OpenCPN, a laptop and likely the Standard Horizon GX2200
>> for GPS and AIS info for the laptop. I already have the laptop, OpenCPN is
>> free (and good!) so I'll only be spending the $350 on the AIS/GPS capable
>> VHF radio vs $1500 for the same functionality at the helm? I can't
>> justify that.
>>
>>  If the technology was more modular, ie; the multidisplay had proper
>> buttons and was really *JUST* a display and interface I'de be more
>> interested. $1500 is a lot to spend on what is essentially a touch screen
>> monitor .. except it's not is it? It's a raymarine/garmin/sh whizbang that
>> isn't upgradable and will essentially suck compared to the new stuff in 5
>> years. Oh yeah,and charts are really expensive too. I happily paid $50 for
>> navionics with charts for all of North America!!! Charts that get updated!
>> Give me a waterproof, sun viewable iPad type device that uses open
>> protocols that i can mount at the helm and I'de gladly spend $1500 on it.
>> All I need is a display and an interface (buttons *and* touch, but don't
>> take my buttons away). A computer is a computer is a computer
>>
>>  There are nice plotters that I would like to have, it's just a question
>> of value for the money. My boat bucks are needed elsewhere.
>>
>>  Steve
>>  Suhana, C&C 32
>>  Toronto
>>
>>  On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Roger Ware 
>> wrote:
>>  I have an iPad with Navionics but still find some shortcomings (a) the
>> software doesn'

Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[M Bod]

I was looking at the SH chart plotter - it appears that is costs an extra $90 
for the 'pre-installed' basic charts. 

You can get the 'C-Map Max' cards with additional detail - depending on the 
region $130-300 (with a $50 rebate if you buy the card together with the 
plotter).

Mark

On 20 Feb 2014 09:34, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
>
> Rich, I was under the impression that one had to buy chart chips to use the 
> Standard Horizon. Is that not true?
>
> Roger, you're on Lake Ontario. It sounds like the charts that come 
> pre-installed are fine?
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:
>>
>> I have had SH chart plotters ever since the first monochrome unit hit the 
>> market. I consider them to be excellent value for the $$.  I generally put 
>> them up for sale before they die and buy the latest model. Mine is installed 
>> along with my 23 year old Furuno radar in a small piece of cabinetry I built 
>> inside the aft cabin. I can see them from the helm and the numerical SOG, 
>> COG, BTW and DTW is repeated at a now obsolete Raymarine Raydata instrument 
>> on the binnacle. Works fine for me. 
>>
>> I don't like using laptops on board for navigation as they use way more 
>> power than dedicated purpose built chart plotters and, while I have an iPad 
>> and similar devices, the reliability and availability of 12v installed gear 
>> makes that the gear of choice for me.
>>
>> I do work part time for The Binnacle and the Boat Show is on this week. Good 
>> pricing on all our electronics. Check the web. 
>>
>> Damn. I'm shameless!!
>>
>> Rich Knowles
>> INDIGO LF38
>> Halifax NS
>> Land of the Interminable Winter. 
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:37, "Roger Ware"  wrote:
>>
>>> Rich, I bought one of these at that price, and it is waiting for 
>>> installation in the Spring. I had one before, they are excellent units. And 
>>> BTW – they have preinstalled chart data, so gone is the era when you have 
>>> to get ripped off buying a $300 chart chip as well as the GPS.  Don’t get 
>>> me wrong, I love the iPad, but it doesn’t do everything.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Roger, Kingston
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich 
>>> Knowles
>>> Sent: February-19-14 11:57 AM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> A Standard Horizon CP190i is available for less than $400, is waterproof 
>>> and very reliable. See binnacle.com. 
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2014, at 11:53, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:

 The problem with an expensive helm mounted chart plotter is that it'll be 
 old news in a few years. I'm not keen on spending ~$1500 or more on a 
 chart plotter that will be "old tech" a few years from now. The iPad does 
 so much more than navigation and is half the price. Sure, you can't read 
 it easily in sunlight and it's not waterproof .. I can buy two iPads for 
 the price of a raymarine plotter though. And I can take the iPad home and 
 do all sorts of other things with it (primarily reading sailing magazines 
 with Zinio) but I digress...

  

 I'de like to have a plotter, or some kind of multi-display unit at the 
 helm but the prices on them aren't justified in my opinion. I am making 
 the same thing using OpenCPN, a laptop and likely the Standard Horizon 
 GX2200 for GPS and AIS info for the laptop. I already have the laptop, 
 OpenCPN is free (and good!) so I'll only be spending the $350 on the 
 AIS/GPS capable VHF radio vs $1500 for the same functionality at the 
 helm? I can't justify that.

  

 If the technology was more modular, ie; the multidisplay had proper 
 buttons and was really *JUST* a display and interface I'de be more 
 interested. $1500 is a lot to spend on what is essentially a touch screen 
 monitor .. except it's not is it? It's a raymarine/garmin/sh whizbang that 
 isn't upgradable and will essentially suck compared to the new stuff in 5 
 years. Oh yeah,and charts are really expensive too. I happily paid $50 for 
 navionics with charts for all of North America!!! Charts that get updated! 
 Give me a waterproof, sun viewable iPad type device that uses open 
 protocols that i can mount at the helm and I'de gladly spend $1500 on it. 
 All I need is a display and an interface (buttons and touch, but don't 
 take my buttons away). A computer is a computer is a computer

  

 There are nice plotters that I would like to have, it's just a question of 
 value for the money. My boat bucks are needed elsewhere.

  

 Steve

 Suhana, C&C 32

 Toronto

  

 On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Roger Ware  
 wrote:

 I have an iPad with Navionics but still find some shortcomings (a) the 
 software doesn’t do very much except tell you where you are (b) the iPad 

Re: Stus-List Navigation Software - now Tablet OS intricacies

[Marek Dziedzic]

Steve,

I know, but it requires root access to access anything you connect. If you know 
the trick how to access content on a USB disk connected via USB2Go on Nexus 7 
(other than rooting the system), contact me off-list.

So far, me experience is that the USB2Go lets you connect (and access what you 
connected) if the device has a (Micro)SD card slot. If it does not, it is 
anyone’s guess if it works.

Marek

--

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:30:49 -0500
From: Stevan Plavsa 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Marek, that USB 2 Go adapter works on Nexus devices too, I have one.
Personally, I prefer "pure android" (hence the nexus devices).

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto

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Stus-List Navigation Software - now Apple vs. the World

[Marek Dziedzic]

Bob,

see my previous comments about the MAJ (Magic Apple Juice) dispensers in Apple 
hardware (;-).

Marek
--

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:35:55 -0500
From: Robert Boyer 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Stus-List Navigation Software
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I hesitate to get into a debate about Apple vs. all other devices but I will.

During most of my engineering career I used Windows machines and looked down on 
Apple--until I got one!  And then another, and another...

I will never go back!

To see the difference, all you have to do is start both machines (laptops) at 
the same time--there's a world of difference, the Apple being much faster. 

I have never had a memory device failure in any of my iDevices while I 
regularly had hard drive crashes in Toshibas, HPs, etc.  iDevices simply have 
much higher quality than other devices--that's why you are paying more--it's 
not just for the name.  They also hold their value better when you sell them 
after you buy a new one--try that with another similar device of any brand 
(they are usually worthless when it's time to upgrade).

I am clearly an Apple fan--they won me over!  And I didn't even bring up iCloud 
and it's advantages...

All this being said, I wouldn't use my iPad in the cockpit of my boat as my 
primary navigation device--I have a chart plotter at the helm for that purpose.

And to those that complain about not buying a state-of-the-art chart plotter 
because in 3 years it will be outdated--the same obsolescence will apply to 
tablets and laptops and while it's true tablets cost less--they may not after 
you drop one or two in the sea or lake.

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Annapolis, Maryland
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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[dwight]

Richard and others

 

Here is the link to the Standard Horizon CP190i at the Binnacle in Halifax
that I referred to a few days back.  I have been using a CP190c, which is an
earlier version of the unit with C Map NT charts for the last 9 or 10
years.very pleased with the 190C but it has external mushroom style antenna
and the 190i has an internal antenna.  I do believe you have to buy either
the C-Map NT or C-Map Max chart cards separately for the unit. The CP190i is
now $377.95.  Here are a few chart card options:  I wish the charts came
included in the price, I am fairly certain that everyone would like that but
I don't think they do.I had to buy the C-Map chart card for my older CP190c.
the description says the unit is compatible with charts on these cards

 

http://ca.binnacle.com/Electronics-GPS-Chart-Plotter-/-Fishfinders-Standard-
Horizon-GPS-ChartPlotters-/-Fishfinders/c12_380_572/p8279/STANDARD-HORIZON-C
P190i-CHART-PLOTTER-5in-DISPLAY/product_info.html

 

CMap NT wide area cards are $199

http://ca.binnacle.com/Charts-and-Books-Electronic-Charts-

&-Cartridges-C-Map-Charts-NT-&-Max-C-Map-Wide-Coverage-NT+-CARDS/c67_381_289
_438_487/index.html

 

 

CMap Max cards for North America are $179

http://ca.binnacle.com/Charts-and-Books-Electronic-Charts-

&-Cartridges-C-Map-Charts-NT-&-Max-C-Map-Wide-Coverage-MAX-CARDS/c67_381_289
_438_488/index.html

 

 

Dwight

 

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard
N. Bush
Sent: February 20, 2014 9:44 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

 

I cannot find the Standard Horizon products on the binnacle site; (I
selected the US button when first getting on the site); is it for Canada
only? Thanks

Richard

1985 37 CB

 


Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9
Louisville, Kentucky 40220 
502-584-7255

 

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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[Joel Aronson]

The new Ray OS is now using the same file extensions as other software for
waypoints and routes.  That should make it easier to plan at home and
transfer data to the plotter.  Probably beyond my ability, but possible!
 Sort of like being able to use Word on a PC or Mac.  Let them innovate the
OS as long as the data format works.

Joel
Annapolis


On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 11:51 PM, Jack Brennan wrote:

>   I think the ultimate point is that these systems really are expensive
> luxuries rather than anything you need to sail.
>
> I've been sailing off and on since 1980, and like many sailors, my
> cruising grounds generally are within 150 miles of home. Most of the good
> places, I've been to many times.
>
> The Keys can be tricky with its shoals and shallow water, but  I'm fairly
> certain I could navigate most places in Biscayne Bay, the Upper Keys and
> the Middle Keys with nothing but a compass and binoculars. Places I don't
> remember, well, channel markers are excellent and I have a good depth
> sounder.
>
> So I've had chart plotters in my Defender shopping cart a couple of times,
> but I have never been able to justify pulling the trigger on a buy.
>
> Basically, these are all costly delivery systems that give you the same
> information contained in your chartbook and that map GPS you bought so many
> years ago. Do I really need to look at dots on a big screen or a tablet
> when I can look out over the bow and see the red and green markers? With a
> little bit of planning, you've looked at the chart already and know what
> the area looks like as you enter it. The handheld GPS tells you where you
> are in that area.
>
> So I think yeah, a cool toy, but I would rather buy a new sail or some
> opening ports or a better VHF.
>
> Plus, all of us spend way too much of my time already staring at screens.
> (Disclosure: At various times, I made my living building web sites and
> doing computer programming.) My daughters drive me crazy when they can't go
> 10 minutes without checking their smart phones. So my boat is a refuge from
> computers and TVs and smart phones and tablets. People who sail with me are
> required to talk and look at nature, not pixels.
>
> One sailor's opinion, I'm sure not popular among folks who enjoy the
> latest technology. But another point of view ...
>
> Jack Brennan
> Former C&C 25
> Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>
>  *From:* bobmor99 . 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 9:50 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>
>   The typical, thrifty day sailor / coastal cruiser wannabe would like an
> inexpensive, sunlight-viewable, waterproof display - with optional
> touchscreen. Most everything else is software.
>
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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software - now Tablet OS intricacies

[Stevan Plavsa]

I'm just going to post this here in case it benefits anyone else:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.homeysoft.nexususb.importer&hl=en

Marek you're right, it's not native but it is doable without rooting.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Marek Dziedzic wrote:

>   Steve,
>
> I know, but it requires root access to access anything you connect. If you
> know the trick how to access content on a USB disk connected via USB2Go on
> Nexus 7 (other than rooting the system), contact me off-list.
>
> So far, me experience is that the USB2Go lets you connect (and access what
> you connected) if the device has a (Micro)SD card slot. If it does not, it
> is anyone's guess if it works.
>
> Marek
>
> --
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:30:49 -0500
> From: Stevan Plavsa 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Marek, that USB 2 Go adapter works on Nexus devices too, I have one.
> Personally, I prefer "pure android" (hence the nexus devices).
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
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Stus-List Marine systems

[Marek Dziedzic]

Steve,

I think that the big issue is that the dedicated device is a much better 
controlled environment. For recreational boaters, this may not matter that 
much, but if you are a commercial boat skipper, you may want to have confidence 
that this particular instrument won’t go suddenly into a BSOD only because you 
installed an app for watching movies or playing music. So it is a question of 
controlling the environment well.

>From what I have seen, I don’t think Garmin and al develop their own OSs. More 
>than likely they get commercially developed OSs (like the Blackberry’s QNX) 
>and modify it slightly (or more than slightly) to fit their needs.

Having said all of the above, I fully agree with you.

Marek

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:06:05 -0500
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To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Stus-List Marine systems
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Do you guys know what OS Raymarine, Garmin et al use? I'm sure they're
different but I'm guessing they are all proprietary to their brand. Is that
correct? If it is, that would mean that they have a whole team of people
developing their OS, right?

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Re: Stus-List Marine systems

[Della Barba, Joe]

* this particular instrument won’t go suddenly into a BSOD only because you 
installed an app for watching movies or playing music.*

This is why my navigation laptop does NOTHING else. It is never ever connected 
to any network, has no anti-virus software, no movie players, no office, nor 
anything else but the basic operating system and OpenCPN. Any file that goes on 
there goes via thumb drive or CD and is virus-scanned at the source. We have 
other devices and laptops for entertainment. Something to consider: If you have 
a GPS like mine that is a rail mount marine unit with no controls or screen, if 
the laptop dies you have no way to read it anymore unless you have another NMEA 
device someplace. My VHF can display LAT/LON from the input for the DSC, so 
that is one backup to get at the info.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:19 AM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Marine systems

Steve,

I think that the big issue is that the dedicated device is a much better 
controlled environment. For recreational boaters, this may not matter that 
much, but if you are a commercial boat skipper, you may want to have confidence 
that this particular instrument won’t go suddenly into a BSOD only because you 
installed an app for watching movies or playing music. So it is a question of 
controlling the environment well.

From what I have seen, I don’t think Garmin and al develop their own OSs. More 
than likely they get commercially developed OSs (like the Blackberry’s QNX) and 
modify it slightly (or more than slightly) to fit their needs.

Having said all of the above, I fully agree with you.

Marek

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Stus-List iPad GPS receiver

[Tom Anderson]

Dual Electronics XGPS150A Universal Bluetooth GPS Receiver for Portable Devices 
by Dual Electronics
$99.99 $85.46 
Order in the next 8 hours and get it byFriday, Feb 21.
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In addition to the bad elf, Dual Electronics make a Bluetooth GPS receiver.  I 
know it works because I own one.
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Stus-List Latest Sonar

[Bill Coleman]

I am just blown away by the pictures you can get in the latest depthfinders.

I am not sure if these construct a forward looking image from what is
directly below you, or if the sonar actually projects forward, like what 10
years ago cost 10 grand.

 

http://www.raymarine.eu/view/?id=6942

&collectionid=79&col=7319

 

But they are stunning.

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 animated_favicon1

 

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Stus-List Navigation Devices

[Robert Abbott]

I am now primarily a 'day sailor', nevertheless, every time I take the 
boat out for a spin, not matter how short the excursion, I have the 
Standard Horizon 175C chart plotter turned on at the helm.  I use it 
more from a 'safety perspective' than a 'navigation tool'.


Some years back on a friend's C&C 34R with no chartplotter or radar, we 
were motoring home after a race was called for lack of wind, in the fog, 
and dam near ran into a navigational bouy .  It could have been really 
ugly hitting that immovable object at 6.5 knots.


Just knowing where these immovable objects are, even in broad daylight 
under the best of visibility conditions, is something I pay attention to 
on every outing and having the chart plotter right in front of my face 
makes it easy and takes away some the risk..  Then there are all of the 
advantages of navigation with the chart plotter.  Now that I have one, I 
would never be without oneif nothing else, my safety is worth a few 
hundred $$$.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.








On 2014/02/20 8:23 AM, Rich Knowles wrote:
I have had SH chart plotters ever since the first monochrome unit hit 
the market. I consider them to be excellent value for the $$.  I 
generally put them up for sale before they die and buy the latest 
model. Mine is installed along with my 23 year old Furuno radar in a 
small piece of cabinetry I built inside the aft cabin. I can see them 
from the helm and the numerical SOG, COG, BTW and DTW is repeated at a 
now obsolete Raymarine Raydata instrument on the binnacle. Works fine 
for me.


I don't like using laptops on board for navigation as they use way 
more power than dedicated purpose built chart plotters and, while I 
have an iPad and similar devices, the reliability and availability of 
12v installed gear makes that the gear of choice for me.


I do work part time for The Binnacle and the Boat Show is on this 
week. Good pricing on all our electronics. Check the web.


Damn. I'm shameless!!

Rich Knowles
INDIGO LF38
Halifax NS
Land of the Interminable Winter.

On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:37, "Roger Ware" > wrote:


Rich, I bought one of these at that price, and it is waiting for 
installation in the Spring. I had one before, they are excellent 
units. And BTW -- they have preinstalled chart data, so gone is the 
era when you have to get ripped off buying a $300 chart chip as well 
as the GPS. Don't get me wrong, I love the iPad, but it doesn't do 
everything.


Roger, Kingston

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Rich Knowles

*Sent:* February-19-14 11:57 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

A Standard Horizon CP190i is available for less than $400, is 
waterproof and very reliable. See binnacle.com .


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Stus-List swim ladder for 38 landfall

[dreuge]

Hi,

Does anyone know where I can find a replacement swim ladder for 38 landfall?  I 
would also greatly appreciate if anyone on a 38LF could send me the ladder 
measurements (width, length, tube, rungs, ).   This will be helpful in finding 
a suitable replacement. 

 I understand that White Water Marine  (Port huron, MI) made the ladder for my 
29, so I am hoping that they may have or can make one for the 38LF.   

Thanks for any help.

yours very truly,

Paul


-
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C&C 29-1/ C&C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL


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Re: Stus-List Navigation Devices

[Andrew Burton]

It's my belief that much of the trouble people find themselves is due to an
over-reliance on electronics. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I use
every nav tool available to me--including plotters and iPads--however, I
have a firm grounding in traditional navigational techniques to back them
up. On the few times when my electronics have gone aglee, because I was
keeping an estimated position in my head (EP, which is different from DR or
dead reckoning position), I was able to spot that something was wrong with
the info the plotters or GPS was providing, and was able to carry on
successfully with GPS that was no longer tracking, even though no alarms
had gone off. In my opinion, this is a good practice. Roger, not to
criticize, but on that foggy day, you should have been aware of your
approximate position at least, and known that there was a mark that could
be along your course line and that an especially good lookout was called
for until you were past it. This is not to say that I haven't been in
exactly the same situation as you were on the way in.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Robert Abbott wrote:

>  I am now primarily a 'day sailor', nevertheless, every time I take the
> boat out for a spin, not matter how short the excursion, I have the
> Standard Horizon 175C chart plotter turned on at the helm.  I use it more
> from a 'safety perspective' than a 'navigation tool'.
>
> Some years back on a friend's C&C 34R with no chartplotter or radar, we
> were motoring home after a race was called for lack of wind, in the fog,
> and dam near ran into a navigational bouy .  It could have been really ugly
> hitting that immovable object at 6.5 knots.
>
> Just knowing where these immovable objects are, even in broad daylight
> under the best of visibility conditions, is something I pay attention to on
> every outing and having the chart plotter right in front of my face makes
> it easy and takes away some the risk..  Then there are all of the
> advantages of navigation with the chart plotter.  Now that I have one, I
> would never be without oneif nothing else, my safety is worth a few
> hundred $$$.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2014/02/20 8:23 AM, Rich Knowles wrote:
>
> I have had SH chart plotters ever since the first monochrome unit hit the
> market. I consider them to be excellent value for the $$.  I generally put
> them up for sale before they die and buy the latest model. Mine is
> installed along with my 23 year old Furuno radar in a small piece of
> cabinetry I built inside the aft cabin. I can see them from the helm and
> the numerical SOG, COG, BTW and DTW is repeated at a now obsolete Raymarine
> Raydata instrument on the binnacle. Works fine for me.
>
>  I don't like using laptops on board for navigation as they use way more
> power than dedicated purpose built chart plotters and, while I have an iPad
> and similar devices, the reliability and availability of 12v installed gear
> makes that the gear of choice for me.
>
>  I do work part time for The Binnacle and the Boat Show is on this week.
> Good pricing on all our electronics. Check the web.
>
>  Damn. I'm shameless!!
>
> Rich Knowles
> INDIGO LF38
> Halifax NS
> Land of the Interminable Winter.
>
> On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:37, "Roger Ware"  wrote:
>
>   Rich, I bought one of these at that price, and it is waiting for
> installation in the Spring. I had one before, they are excellent units. And
> BTW - they have preinstalled chart data, so gone is the era when you have
> to get ripped off buying a $300 chart chip as well as the GPS.  Don't get
> me wrong, I love the iPad, but it doesn't do everything.
>
>
>
> Roger, Kingston
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Rich Knowles
> *Sent:* February-19-14 11:57 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>
>
>
> A Standard Horizon CP190i is available for less than $400, is waterproof
> and very reliable. See binnacle.com.
>
> Rich
>
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Re: Stus-List Marine systems

[Marek Dziedzic]

Joe,

very good point (and even better practice).

However, this requires discipline. We all have weaknesses and it is quite 
normal that with time the dedicated computer becomes less than dedicated. If 
you can control this, that is great. If you were a marine instrument vendor, 
you could not rely on users’ discipline for not having any conflicts or 
stability issues with other apps or applications. I hope that this sounds like 
I am agreeing with you (because I am).

One of the issues is that many of us don’t really need any of the navigation 
devices that we have, use or want to have. Most of us sail in the same waters 
for years, so we know most of the hazards by heart. As someone mentioned, we 
probably sail within 100 miles from the home port (at best). A handheld GPS for 
$150 is enough or probably even too much for what we really need. This is why 
we don’t care that much if the chart on the tablet is not overly reliable (sun 
light, water, s/w glitches), because in a pinch, we can easily find our way 
without it. A tablet with navigation software is a great gadget and it comes at 
a very reasonable cost (especially, if you bought the tablet already) and it 
can handle additional tasks (movies, music, business apps, games). But for a 
while yet I do not see it as replacement for the dedicated marine instrument. 

A disclosure: I am a gadget guy; I have a few tablets, 1/2 dozen laptops and a 
whole bunch of various GPS devoices. I even ski and bike with a GPS, but not 
because I need to, only because I want to. So it is not that I don’t like 
tablets, I do, but I don’t subscribe to the idea that they are much more than 
what they are: very nice and somewhat useful gadgets. 

Marek
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:44:09 -0500
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To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine systems
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

* this particular instrument won?t go suddenly into a BSOD only because you 
installed an app for watching movies or playing music.*

This is why my navigation laptop does NOTHING else. It is never ever connected 
to any network, has no anti-virus software, no movie players, no office, nor 
anything else but the basic operating system and OpenCPN. Any file that goes on 
there goes via thumb drive or CD and is virus-scanned at the source. We have 
other devices and laptops for entertainment. Something to consider: If you have 
a GPS like mine that is a rail mount marine unit with no controls or screen, if 
the laptop dies you have no way to read it anymore unless you have another NMEA 
device someplace. My VHF can display LAT/LON from the input for the DSC, so 
that is one backup to get at the info.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

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Stus-List Navigation Devices

[Robert Abbott]

Andy:

That day in the fog, we generally knew where we were, and we knew we had 
to pass several navigational buoys while motoring home, problem was we 
couldn't see past the bow, the fog was that thick. We had over 5 miles 
to motor and after being on the race course for 4.5 hours in the fog and 
rain, we were anxious to get home and thus had the boat going 6.5 
knots.  A safer and more logical thing for us to have done that day was 
to slow down since we had virtually zero visibility and no chart plotter 
or radar.  I guess that how accidents happen.


In 2012, I was with a sailor on this site bring his C&C 35 II from St. 
Margaret's Bay to Halifax..he had a chart plotter at the 
helm..beautiful day, perfect visibility, nevertheless, as we were 
approaching what we commonly refer to as the 'ledges', a narrow passage 
between the mainland and Sambro Island, I asked him to get out the paper 
chart.  I went below and took some readings just to be sure.


No matter what the electronics I have on board, I always check the paper 
charts when making a passage.  Motoring in the harbor is a piece of cake 
for me but you can always find a way to hit something you can't see .


The chart plotter, while maybe not totally reliable at all times, does 
provide me with a certain level of security to know where I am in 
relation to those immovable objects.


While we may never actually use it, we are installing a radar on the 
boat this Spring.it is not much use though if you don't have it 
turned on and/or you don't know how to use it.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2014/02/20 11:44 AM, Andrew Burton wrote:
It's my belief that much of the trouble people find themselves is due 
to an over-reliance on electronics. As I mentioned earlier in the 
thread, I use every nav tool available to me--including plotters and 
iPads--however, I have a firm grounding in traditional navigational 
techniques to back them up. On the few times when my electronics have 
gone aglee, because I was keeping an estimated position in my head 
(EP, which is different from DR or dead reckoning position), I was 
able to spot that something was wrong with the info the plotters or 
GPS was providing, and was able to carry on successfully with GPS that 
was no longer tracking, even though no alarms had gone off. In my 
opinion, this is a good practice. Roger, not to criticize, but on that 
foggy day, you should have been aware of your approximate position at 
least, and known that there was a mark that could be along your course 
line and that an especially good lookout was called for until you were 
past it. This is not to say that I haven't been in exactly the same 
situation as you were on the way in.


Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Robert Abbott 
mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>> wrote:


I am now primarily a 'day sailor', nevertheless, every time I take
the boat out for a spin, not matter how short the excursion, I
have the Standard Horizon 175C chart plotter turned on at the
helm.  I use it more from a 'safety perspective' than a
'navigation tool'.

Some years back on a friend's C&C 34R with no chartplotter or
radar, we were motoring home after a race was called for lack of
wind, in the fog, and dam near ran into a navigational bouy .  It
could have been really ugly hitting that immovable object at 6.5
knots.

Just knowing where these immovable objects are, even in broad
daylight under the best of visibility conditions, is something I
pay attention to on every outing and having the chart plotter
right in front of my face makes it easy and takes away some the
risk..  Then there are all of the advantages of navigation with
the chart plotter.  Now that I have one, I would never be without
oneif nothing else, my safety is worth a few hundred $$$.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.








On 2014/02/20 8:23 AM, Rich Knowles wrote:

I have had SH chart plotters ever since the first monochrome unit
hit the market. I consider them to be excellent value for the $$.
 I generally put them up for sale before they die and buy the
latest model. Mine is installed along with my 23 year old Furuno
radar in a small piece of cabinetry I built inside the aft cabin.
I can see them from the helm and the numerical SOG, COG, BTW and
DTW is repeated at a now obsolete Raymarine Raydata instrument on
the binnacle. Works fine for me.

I don't like using laptops on board for navigation as they use
way more power than dedicated purpose built chart plotters and,
while I have an iPad and similar devices, the reliability and
availability of 12v installed gear makes that the gear of choice
for me.

I do work part time for The Binnacle and the Boat Show is on this
week. Good pricing on all our electronics. Check the web.

Damn. I'm shameless!!

Rich Knowl

Re: Stus-List Navigation Devices

[dwight]

I agree Robert, and installing that little 5 inch standard horizon chart
plotter on the binnacle guard made Rosalie a whole lot more comfortable
about getting behind the wheel and driving the boat.anywhere.I doubt if she
would drive without it

 

  _  

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Abbott
Sent: February 20, 2014 12:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Navigation Devices

 

Andy:

That day in the fog, we generally knew where we were, and we knew we had to
pass several navigational buoys while motoring home, problem was we couldn't
see past the bow, the fog was that thick.  We had over 5 miles to motor and
after being on the race course for 4.5 hours in the fog and rain, we were
anxious to get home and thus had the boat going 6.5 knots.  A safer and more
logical thing for us to have done that day was to slow down since we had
virtually zero visibility and no chart plotter or radar.  I guess that how
accidents happen.

In 2012, I was with a sailor on this site bring his C&C 35 II from St.
Margaret's Bay to Halifax..he had a chart plotter at the
helm..beautiful day, perfect visibility, nevertheless, as we were
approaching what we commonly refer to as the 'ledges', a narrow passage
between the mainland and Sambro Island, I asked him to get out the paper
chart.  I went below and took some readings just to be sure.

No matter what the electronics I have on board, I always check the paper
charts when making a passage.  Motoring in the harbor is a piece of cake for
me but you can always find a way to hit something you can't see .  

The chart plotter, while maybe not totally reliable at all times, does
provide me with a certain level of security to know where I am in relation
to those immovable objects.  

While we may never actually use it, we are installing a radar on the boat
this Spring.it is not much use though if you don't have it turned on
and/or you don't know how to use it.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2014/02/20 11:44 AM, Andrew Burton wrote:

It's my belief that much of the trouble people find themselves is due to an
over-reliance on electronics. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I use
every nav tool available to me--including plotters and iPads--however, I
have a firm grounding in traditional navigational techniques to back them
up. On the few times when my electronics have gone aglee, because I was
keeping an estimated position in my head (EP, which is different from DR or
dead reckoning position), I was able to spot that something was wrong with
the info the plotters or GPS was providing, and was able to carry on
successfully with GPS that was no longer tracking, even though no alarms had
gone off. In my opinion, this is a good practice. Roger, not to criticize,
but on that foggy day, you should have been aware of your approximate
position at least, and known that there was a mark that could be along your
course line and that an especially good lookout was called for until you
were past it. This is not to say that I haven't been in exactly the same
situation as you were on the way in.

Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine

 

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Robert Abbott 
wrote:

I am now primarily a 'day sailor', nevertheless, every time I take the boat
out for a spin, not matter how short the excursion, I have the Standard
Horizon 175C chart plotter turned on at the helm.  I use it more from a
'safety perspective' than a 'navigation tool'.

Some years back on a friend's C&C 34R with no chartplotter or radar, we were
motoring home after a race was called for lack of wind, in the fog, and dam
near ran into a navigational bouy .  It could have been really ugly hitting
that immovable object at 6.5 knots.

Just knowing where these immovable objects are, even in broad daylight under
the best of visibility conditions, is something I pay attention to on every
outing and having the chart plotter right in front of my face makes it easy
and takes away some the risk..  Then there are all of the advantages of
navigation with the chart plotter.  Now that I have one, I would never be
without oneif nothing else, my safety is worth a few hundred $$$.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



 




On 2014/02/20 8:23 AM, Rich Knowles wrote:

I have had SH chart plotters ever since the first monochrome unit hit the
market. I consider them to be excellent value for the $$.  I generally put
them up for sale before they die and buy the latest model. Mine is installed
along with my 23 year old Furuno radar in a small piece of cabinetry I built
inside the aft cabin. I can see them from the helm and the numerical SOG,
COG, BTW and DTW is repeated at a now obsolete Raymarine Raydata instrument
on the binnacle. Works fine for me. 

 

I don't like using laptops on board for navigation as they use way more
power than dedicated purpose built chart plotters and, while I have an iPad
and similar devices, the reliability and availab

Re: Stus-List iPad GPS receiver

[Patrick H. Wesley]

Me too, works well. No affiliation. Patrick Wesley Sidney BC

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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[Rich Knowles]

Here's the info on the SH 190i. 

The unit is available with or without a base map and both versions accept c-map 
cards. 

The base map gives detailed depths up to around 30'. In deeper water there are 
no depths shown on the screen. If you want more detailed information about 
ports, deeper depths and marks etc. , you will need an appropriate c-map 
cartridge of the area you need up to a card for all of North America and 
environs. Prices vary accordingly. 

The Binnacle typically does not advertise electronics on their US website as 
selling cross-border can be a hassle for all parties. Prices and details are on 
the Canadian web site. Hope this clears up the mystery. 

Regardless where you buy it, the CP190i is a great plotter. 

Rich

> On Feb 20, 2014, at 9:34, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
> 
> Rich, I was under the impression that one had to buy chart chips to use the 
> Standard Horizon. Is that not true?
> 
> Roger, you're on Lake Ontario. It sounds like the charts that come 
> pre-installed are fine?
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:
>> I have had SH chart plotters ever since the first monochrome unit hit the 
>> market. I consider them to be excellent value for the $$.  I generally put 
>> them up for sale before they die and buy the latest model. Mine is installed 
>> along with my 23 year old Furuno radar in a small piece of cabinetry I built 
>> inside the aft cabin. I can see them from the helm and the numerical SOG, 
>> COG, BTW and DTW is repeated at a now obsolete Raymarine Raydata instrument 
>> on the binnacle. Works fine for me. 
>> 
>> I don't like using laptops on board for navigation as they use way more 
>> power than dedicated purpose built chart plotters and, while I have an iPad 
>> and similar devices, the reliability and availability of 12v installed gear 
>> makes that the gear of choice for me.
>> 
>> I do work part time for The Binnacle and the Boat Show is on this week. Good 
>> pricing on all our electronics. Check the web. 
>> 
>> Damn. I'm shameless!!
>> 
>> Rich Knowles
>> INDIGO LF38
>> Halifax NS
>> Land of the Interminable Winter. 
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:37, "Roger Ware"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Rich, I bought one of these at that price, and it is waiting for 
>>> installation in the Spring. I had one before, they are excellent units. And 
>>> BTW – they have preinstalled chart data, so gone is the era when you have 
>>> to get ripped off buying a $300 chart chip as well as the GPS.  Don’t get 
>>> me wrong, I love the iPad, but it doesn’t do everything.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Roger, Kingston
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich 
>>> Knowles
>>> Sent: February-19-14 11:57 AM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> A Standard Horizon CP190i is available for less than $400, is waterproof 
>>> and very reliable. See binnacle.com. 
>>> 
>>> Rich
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 19, 2014, at 11:53, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The problem with an expensive helm mounted chart plotter is that it'll be 
>>> old news in a few years. I'm not keen on spending ~$1500 or more on a chart 
>>> plotter that will be "old tech" a few years from now. The iPad does so much 
>>> more than navigation and is half the price. Sure, you can't read it easily 
>>> in sunlight and it's not waterproof .. I can buy two iPads for the price of 
>>> a raymarine plotter though. And I can take the iPad home and do all sorts 
>>> of other things with it (primarily reading sailing magazines with Zinio) 
>>> but I digress...
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I'de like to have a plotter, or some kind of multi-display unit at the helm 
>>> but the prices on them aren't justified in my opinion. I am making the same 
>>> thing using OpenCPN, a laptop and likely the Standard Horizon GX2200 for 
>>> GPS and AIS info for the laptop. I already have the laptop, OpenCPN is free 
>>> (and good!) so I'll only be spending the $350 on the AIS/GPS capable VHF 
>>> radio vs $1500 for the same functionality at the helm? I can't justify 
>>> that.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If the technology was more modular, ie; the multidisplay had proper buttons 
>>> and was really *JUST* a display and interface I'de be more interested. 
>>> $1500 is a lot to spend on what is essentially a touch screen monitor .. 
>>> except it's not is it? It's a raymarine/garmin/sh whizbang that isn't 
>>> upgradable and will essentially suck compared to the new stuff in 5 years. 
>>> Oh yeah,and charts are really expensive too. I happily paid $50 for 
>>> navionics with charts for all of North America!!! Charts that get updated! 
>>> Give me a waterproof, sun viewable iPad type device that uses open 
>>> protocols that i can mount at the helm and I'de gladly spend $1500 on it. 
>>> All I need is a display and an interface (buttons and touch, but don't take 
>>> my buttons away). A computer is a computer is a computer
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 

Re: Stus-List Navigation Software - now Apple vs. the World

[Kevin Driscoll]

Let's keep those Windows jokers out of this. They are not even at the
table. Android is not Windows OS. Better to learn that now.

(Sent from Windows workstation via Chrome.)



Kevin Driscoll
Portland,  Oregon
503  //  875  //  3493


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:11 AM, Marek Dziedzic wrote:

>   Bob,
>
> see my previous comments about the MAJ (Magic Apple Juice) dispensers in
> Apple hardware (;-).
>
> Marek
> --
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:35:55 -0500
> From: Robert Boyer 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Stus-List Navigation Software
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I hesitate to get into a debate about Apple vs. all other devices but I
> will.
>
> During most of my engineering career I used Windows machines and looked
> down on Apple--until I got one!  And then another, and another...
>
> I will never go back!
>
> To see the difference, all you have to do is start both machines (laptops)
> at the same time--there's a world of difference, the Apple being much
> faster.
>
> I have never had a memory device failure in any of my iDevices while I
> regularly had hard drive crashes in Toshibas, HPs, etc.  iDevices simply
> have much higher quality than other devices--that's why you are paying
> more--it's not just for the name.  They also hold their value better when
> you sell them after you buy a new one--try that with another similar device
> of any brand (they are usually worthless when it's time to upgrade).
>
> I am clearly an Apple fan--they won me over!  And I didn't even bring up
> iCloud and it's advantages...
>
> All this being said, I wouldn't use my iPad in the cockpit of my boat as
> my primary navigation device--I have a chart plotter at the helm for that
> purpose.
>
> And to those that complain about not buying a state-of-the-art chart
> plotter because in 3 years it will be outdated--the same obsolescence will
> apply to tablets and laptops and while it's true tablets cost less--they
> may not after you drop one or two in the sea or lake.
>
> Bob
>
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
> Annapolis, Maryland
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
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Re: Stus-List Marine systems

[Michael Brown]

I visited the Raymarine booth at the Toronto boat show. 

No firm answers, comments were made that the display portion may be based on 
Android,
someone else thought that the base OS was a Linux variant BusyBox. I could 
understand
BusyBox, it has been used for a while as an embedded OS in things like routers 
and TV
set top boxes.

The new "Lighthouse" interface looked very good. I asked the rep about the use 
of touchscreens
during heavy weather. I guess this had come up before, I got a demo of the 
Hybrid Touch units
and how easy it was to lock / unlock the touch part. The suggestion was the 
dedicated fixed
buttons had an advantage in some conditions.

I was also interested in the night mode. From my experience mounting a 
chartplotter at the helm
and using it at night quickly affects my night vision. Even with the screen 
switch to black / white
or black / red ( full color at night is not very useful ) with the night 
reverse mode on ( background
dark ) looking at it for a few moments causes a very noticeable reduction in 
night vision.

How readable are the iPads / Android tablets at very low light levels? Can the 
apps be set down
to monochrome and still be usable?

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1



Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:18:32 -0500 
From: "Marek Dziedzic"  
To:  
Subject: Stus-List  Marine systems 
Message-ID:  
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
Steve, 
 
I think that the big issue is that the dedicated device is a much better 
controlled environment. For recreational boaters, this may not matter that 
much, but if you are a commercial boat skipper, you may want to have confidence 
that this particular instrument won?t go suddenly into a BSOD only because you 
installed an app for watching movies or playing music. So it is a question of 
controlling the environment well. 
 
>From what I have seen, I don?t think Garmin and al develop their own OSs. More 
>than likely they get commercially developed OSs (like the Blackberry?s QNX) 
>and modify it slightly (or more than slightly) to fit their needs. 
 
Having said all of the above, I fully agree with you. 
 
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Stus-List Navigation Software, Pads, and more

[dreuge]

A few years ago I was using my laptop running GPSNavX down below and my Garmin 
eTrex GPS in hand.  Then I purchased an Ipad, and soon I stopped running the 
laptop and eventually stopped even bringing the laptop onboard.  A couple years 
ago I got my iphone with lifeproof case (i.e weather proof) and while I still 
have the iPad onboard, I rarely use it.  

The iPad/iPhone navigation has worked out well for my many day sails and more, 
including a few 160NM FL Gulf crossings, but after adding a wireless windvane 
and  VHF with AIS have been wanting more.

Now that I am refitting a 38 Landfall, the cost of a chart plotter seems so 
affordable (the Rodney Dangerfield effect: "If you want to look thin, you hang 
out with fat people",  same with spending money).

I am preparing to replace all thru-hulls with plans to upgrade electronics too. 
 So far I am think on a B&G Triton Depth/Speed/Wind package  with a Zeus T7
chart plotter.  As stated in an earlier post, there are good prices and rebates 
going on now.I like the WiFi option on the Zeus which allows one to run a 
B&G iPad app to remotely view and control the Zeus.Also, as shown in the 
Zeus manual, it can be used to bridge instrument data out to applications like 
iNavX.   But with some less features, Standard Horizon has some good cost 
effective options too. A SH CP390i chart plotter with Depth/Speed/Temp can be 
found for about $1k. 

I am leaning towards the sexy B&G option, but I am interested in what others my 
think.   




-
Paul E.
C&C 29-1/ C&C 38 landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

On Feb 19, 2014, at 6:37 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:00:00 -0800
> From: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Shopping for Electronics
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just ordered my Triton wind / depth / speed  / wind vane / hull
> transducer package and found out I can get an additional Triton T41 display
> for free !  (A 450.00 value)
> 
> It's called  B&G Winter Rebate.  They have rebates on the Zeus chart
> plotters as well.  A note here is that the version 2 of the Zeus touch
> charplotters are out already but they are pricey.  The version II  7 inch
> is about 1,500 bucks whereas you can get the prior version for 800-900
> (Even less with this rebate).  From what I can tell the functionality is
> the same but the version 2 has a 10 hz GPS instead of a 5 Hz GPS.  It
> probably has slightly faster processing as well.  Since we're on sailboats
> going 5-8 knots I'm not sure of the faster GPS makes much of a difference.
> 
> Here's the skinny
> 
> 
> Buy a Wind / Depth / Speed package with the windvane and hull transducer,
> get a free Triton T41 display  (450.00 )
> 500.00 rebate on Zeus 12 Multifunction Display
> 300.00 rebate on Zeus 8 Multifunction Display
> 200.00 rebate on Zeus 12 Touch Multifunction Display
> 150.00 rebate on Zeus Touch 8 and 7 Multifunction Display
> 
> I bought from / found this at StarMarineDepot.com  (They had the best deal
> on both the Triton and Zeus)
> 
> Your product receipt or invoice must show that you purchased the eligible
> product between 2/13/14 and 4/06/14. Hand written
> invoices or sales receipts will not be accepted. The envelope containing
> your materials must be postmarked no later than
> 04/21/14 and must be received by the B&G rebate processing center no later
> than 05/9/14.
> 
> -Francois
> 1990 C&C 34+ Take Five
> Lake Lanier, Georgia

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Re: Stus-List Marine systems

[Joel Aronson]

Michael,

I like having the joystick on the E7 in any kind of weather.  It is more
precise than my finger.  I always turn down the brightness at night and
never had an issue.  There's a night mode?  I'm not aware of a night mode
on an IPad.  Just a brightness control.

Joel


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Michael Brown  wrote:

> I visited the Raymarine booth at the Toronto boat show.
>
> No firm answers, comments were made that the display portion may be based
> on Android,
> someone else thought that the base OS was a Linux variant BusyBox. I could
> understand
> BusyBox, it has been used for a while as an embedded OS in things like
> routers and TV
> set top boxes.
>
> The new "Lighthouse" interface looked very good. I asked the rep about the
> use of touchscreens
> during heavy weather. I guess this had come up before, I got a demo of the
> Hybrid Touch units
> and how easy it was to lock / unlock the touch part. The suggestion was
> the dedicated fixed
> buttons had an advantage in some conditions.
>
> I was also interested in the night mode. From my experience mounting a
> chartplotter at the helm
> and using it at night quickly affects my night vision. Even with the
> screen switch to black / white
> or black / red ( full color at night is not very useful ) with the night
> reverse mode on ( background
> dark ) looking at it for a few moments causes a very noticeable reduction
> in night vision.
>
> How readable are the iPads / Android tablets at very low light levels? Can
> the apps be set down
> to monochrome and still be usable?
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C&C 30-1
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:18:32 -0500
> From: "Marek Dziedzic" 
> To: 
> Subject: Stus-List  Marine systems
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Steve,
>
> I think that the big issue is that the dedicated device is a much better
> controlled environment. For recreational boaters, this may not matter that
> much, but if you are a commercial boat skipper, you may want to have
> confidence that this particular instrument won?t go suddenly into a BSOD
> only because you installed an app for watching movies or playing music. So
> it is a question of controlling the environment well.
>
> >From what I have seen, I don?t think Garmin and al develop their own OSs.
> More than likely they get commercially developed OSs (like the Blackberry?s
> QNX) and modify it slightly (or more than slightly) to fit their needs.
>
> Having said all of the above, I fully agree with you.
>
> Marek
>
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Stus-List E7 Question

[OldSteveH]

Hello all, I have my E7 at home and want to send it for replacement under
their recall.
I need to power it up to archive my routes and waypoints however the wiring
harness is at the boat (2.5 hours away).
The + and - power pins on the connector are obvious, but does anyone know
which is which, I am afraid of reversing polarity and damaging the unit.
I checked the manual and searched online but came up with nothing. Also
checked resistance between pins and casing to ID the negative pin.
However probably due to capacitance on the board, there are funky resistance
readings and its hard to tell which pin is ground.

Cheers


Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON







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Re: Stus-List E7 Question

[Rich Knowles]

Red should be positive and black negative. 

Rich

> On Feb 20, 2014, at 14:06, OldSteveH  wrote:
> 
> Hello all, I have my E7 at home and want to send it for replacement under
> their recall.
> I need to power it up to archive my routes and waypoints however the wiring
> harness is at the boat (2.5 hours away).
> The + and - power pins on the connector are obvious, but does anyone know
> which is which, I am afraid of reversing polarity and damaging the unit.
> I checked the manual and searched online but came up with nothing. Also
> checked resistance between pins and casing to ID the negative pin.
> However probably due to capacitance on the board, there are funky resistance
> readings and its hard to tell which pin is ground.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Steve Hood
> S/V Diamond Girl
> C&C 34
> Lions Head ON
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List E7 Question

[Frederick G Street]

But he doesn’t have the power cable.

If it’s the same cable as the a75, I can send you mine to use for your 
archiving.  Let me know.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Rich Knowles  wrote:

> Red should be positive and black negative. 
> 
> Rich
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 14:06, OldSteveH  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all, I have my E7 at home and want to send it for replacement under
>> their recall.
>> I need to power it up to archive my routes and waypoints however the wiring
>> harness is at the boat (2.5 hours away).
>> The + and - power pins on the connector are obvious, but does anyone know
>> which is which, I am afraid of reversing polarity and damaging the unit.
>> I checked the manual and searched online but came up with nothing. Also
>> checked resistance between pins and casing to ID the negative pin.
>> However probably due to capacitance on the board, there are funky resistance
>> readings and its hard to tell which pin is ground.

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Re: Stus-List E7 Question

[Frederick G Street]

Steve — I just checked the manual, and it looks like the a Series power cable 
will NOT fit the e Series.  Sorry!

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Frederick G Street  wrote:

> But he doesn’t have the power cable.
> 
> If it’s the same cable as the a75, I can send you mine to use for your 
> archiving.  Let me know.
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
> On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Rich Knowles  wrote:
> 
>> Red should be positive and black negative. 
>> 
>> Rich
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 14:06, OldSteveH  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all, I have my E7 at home and want to send it for replacement under
>>> their recall.
>>> I need to power it up to archive my routes and waypoints however the wiring
>>> harness is at the boat (2.5 hours away).
>>> The + and - power pins on the connector are obvious, but does anyone know
>>> which is which, I am afraid of reversing polarity and damaging the unit.
>>> I checked the manual and searched online but came up with nothing. Also
>>> checked resistance between pins and casing to ID the negative pin.
>>> However probably due to capacitance on the board, there are funky resistance
>>> readings and its hard to tell which pin is ground.
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Re: Stus-List E7 Question

[Pierre Tremblay]

Steve,

From e-Series manual, Appendix C, power are the biggest pins, Batt+ is pin 2 
(left when look from behind) Batt- is pin 7 (right when look from behind).

This link: 
http://raymarine.ning.com/forum/topics/pinout-a-c-e-gs-series-power-nmea-0183-video-input-cable
 show you the cable, witch is a mirror of the back of the e7.

Pierre Tremblay
Avalanche
C&C38-3
 


 De : OldSteveH 
À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Envoyé le : jeudi 20 février 2014 13h06
Objet : Stus-List E7 Question
  

Hello all, I have my E7 at home and want to send it for replacement under
their recall.
I need to power it up to archive my routes and waypoints however the wiring
harness is at the boat (2.5 hours away).
The + and - power pins on the connector are obvious, but does anyone know
which is which, I am afraid of reversing polarity and damaging the unit.
I checked the manual and searched online but came up with nothing. Also
checked resistance between pins and casing to
 ID the negative pin.
However probably due to capacitance on the board, there are funky resistance
readings and its hard to tell which pin is ground.

Cheers


Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON







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Re: Stus-List [SPAM] E7 Question

[John Russo]

I had the same situation with my  A50 so went to the boat and did a
continuity check between ship ground and the cable output and was surprised
to find that the Ground and Positive were positioned inversely to my
expectations so don't take any chances. My A50 is working fine at home. Ask
Raymarine on their Web site. I find them very helpful.

John
Arpeggio C&C 32
Norwalk

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of OldSteveH
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:07 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: [SPAM]Stus-List E7 Question

Hello all, I have my E7 at home and want to send it for replacement under
their recall.
I need to power it up to archive my routes and waypoints however the wiring
harness is at the boat (2.5 hours away).
The + and - power pins on the connector are obvious, but does anyone know
which is which, I am afraid of reversing polarity and damaging the unit.
I checked the manual and searched online but came up with nothing. Also
checked resistance between pins and casing to ID the negative pin.
However probably due to capacitance on the board, there are funky resistance
readings and its hard to tell which pin is ground.

Cheers


Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON







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Re: Stus-List E7 Question

[Paul Fountain]

Steve,

Give Terry at CMC a call, they are the Canadian Distributor, and Terry is
their tech and is usually very helpful.

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of OldSteveH
Sent: February 20, 2014 1:07 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List E7 Question

Hello all, I have my E7 at home and want to send it for replacement under
their recall.
I need to power it up to archive my routes and waypoints however the wiring
harness is at the boat (2.5 hours away).
The + and - power pins on the connector are obvious, but does anyone know
which is which, I am afraid of reversing polarity and damaging the unit.
I checked the manual and searched online but came up with nothing. Also
checked resistance between pins and casing to ID the negative pin.
However probably due to capacitance on the board, there are funky resistance
readings and its hard to tell which pin is ground.

Cheers


Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON







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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software, Pads, and more

[Stevan Plavsa]

Paul, I'm not actually spending any money (or trying not to) but I have
been 'window shopping'. The B&G stuff with the current rebates is looking
the most appealing. If I were actually in the market I would be seriously
considering them. The E7 looks good too but I haven't done as much research
there.

Something I like about the B&G is that is comes with a smart tri-ducer. If
you price those out they are like $300. I might already be spending that to
deal with a leaky transducer that I installed last year so. I'm
considering it. I've also always wanted a wind instrument.

I have a rig inspection scheduled for early spring right after launch
(before I put the stick up). I'm not spending any boat bucks until I know
whether the rig will need some work. Safety first.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM,  wrote:

> A few years ago I was using my laptop running GPSNavX down below and my
> Garmin eTrex GPS in hand.  Then I purchased an Ipad, and soon I stopped
> running the laptop and eventually stopped even bringing the laptop onboard.
>  A couple years ago I got my iphone with lifeproof case (i.e weather proof)
> and while I still have the iPad onboard, I rarely use it.
>
> The iPad/iPhone navigation has worked out well for my many day sails and
> more, including a few 160NM FL Gulf crossings, but after adding a wireless
> windvane and  VHF with AIS have been wanting more.
>
> Now that I am refitting a 38 Landfall, the cost of a chart plotter seems
> so affordable (the Rodney Dangerfield effect: "If you want to look thin,
> you hang out with fat people",  same with spending money).
>
> I am preparing to replace all thru-hulls with plans to upgrade electronics
> too.  So far I am think on a B&G Triton Depth/Speed/Wind package  with a
> Zeus T7
> chart plotter.  As stated in an earlier post, there are good prices and
> rebates going on now.I like the WiFi option on the Zeus which allows
> one to run a B&G iPad app to remotely view and control the Zeus.Also,
> as shown in the Zeus manual, it can be used to bridge instrument data out
> to applications like iNavX.   But with some less features, Standard Horizon
> has some good cost effective options too. A SH CP390i chart plotter with
> Depth/Speed/Temp can be found for about $1k.
>
> I am leaning towards the sexy B&G option, but I am interested in what
> others my think.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> C&C 29-1/ C&C 38 landfall
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
> On Feb 19, 2014, at 6:37 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:00:00 -0800
> From: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Shopping for Electronics
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just ordered my Triton wind / depth / speed  / wind vane / hull
> transducer package and found out I can get an additional Triton T41 display
> for free !  (A 450.00 value)
>
> It's called  B&G Winter Rebate.  They have rebates on the Zeus chart
> plotters as well.  A note here is that the version 2 of the Zeus touch
> charplotters are out already but they are pricey.  The version II  7 inch
> is about 1,500 bucks whereas you can get the prior version for 800-900
> (Even less with this rebate).  From what I can tell the functionality is
> the same but the version 2 has a 10 hz GPS instead of a 5 Hz GPS.  It
> probably has slightly faster processing as well.  Since we're on sailboats
> going 5-8 knots I'm not sure of the faster GPS makes much of a difference.
>
> Here's the skinny
>
>
> Buy a Wind / Depth / Speed package with the windvane and hull transducer,
> get a free Triton T41 display  (450.00 )
> 500.00 rebate on Zeus 12 Multifunction Display
> 300.00 rebate on Zeus 8 Multifunction Display
> 200.00 rebate on Zeus 12 Touch Multifunction Display
> 150.00 rebate on Zeus Touch 8 and 7 Multifunction Display
>
> I bought from / found this at StarMarineDepot.com
>   (They had the best deal
> on both the Triton and Zeus)
>
> Your product receipt or invoice must show that you purchased the eligible
> product between 2/13/14 and 4/06/14. Hand written
> invoices or sales receipts will not be accepted. The envelope containing
> your materials must be postmarked no later than
> 04/21/14 and must be received by the B&G rebate processing center no later
> than 05/9/14.
>
> -Francois
> 1990 C&C 34+ Take Five
> Lake Lanier, Georgia
>
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Stus-List Marine Systems

[Jean-Francois J Rivard]

Don't mean to beat a dead horse.. but.

Here's why I spent $900.00 on a B&G Zeus Touch.  Rugged  / Clear Screen in
the sun / Waterproof /  No-Nonsense functionality / integration.

It’s so much more than just a GPS nav..

No-Nonsense functionality:  Has both touch and real buttons that you can
use intuitively in the heat of the battle / wearing gloves

Sailing functionality.   (Sail Magazine 2013 #1 innovation award winner:
Sail Steer) ETA / Waypoints / Tack Laylines automatically optimized via
knowledge of currents / tides / windshifts  / GPS position / SOG / COG /
VMG . .Etc.

All the normal sailing gauges / Drive your Autopilot optimized via the
aforementioned (Sail Steer)

Cool Integration, single interface to view and control from the helm or
anywhere on the boat via an Ipad / Android device on Wifi of the following:

- Full Audio control -->  Control Ipod / Android music lists, Pendora,
Independent volume for speaker zones (Cockpit / Salon / Sub ) (Fusion makes
an  NMEA 2000 Compliant  Ipod / iphone interface  / speaker package (260.00
bucks or so) and a full featured Bluetooth / DVD / CD / AM-FM / USB NMEA
compliant Head unit  (About 500.00)
- Radar
- Engine / Fluid levels monitoring
- Sonar
- AIS
- All Sailing gauges VMG / Combined actual / apparent wind / close-hauled /
etc. etc.
- Chartplotter  / GPS mapping



Network Integration:

- NMEA 0183 output built-in to integrate with my Autupilot / VHF
- All my new transducers / windvanes / sensors are NMEA 2000 compliant and
on the backbone + There's a standard ethernet network output for cheap wifi
capabilities.
- No proprietary networking to fool with or adapter interfaces needed.  Any
NMEA 2000  compliant module / display / Ipad / Android app that get hook on
the Wifi / ethenet  can benefit from SOG / windspeed / wind direction /
COG / GPS coordinates, etc etc



Software is upgradable via standard sim card / works with upgraded
Navionics chats


All of this is plug and play on a rugged / waterproof device.


In the big scheme of things and all the money we spend on these boats
900.00 for this much integration and easy to use functionality is money
well spent.


-Francois Rivard
1990 C&C 34+ Take Five
Lake Lanier, GA



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Re: Stus-List [SPAM] E7 Question

[Joel Aronson]

Try here:

http://ca.binnacle.com/pdf/Ray_E7_manual.pdf

pages 35-6

Joel


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 1:53 PM, John Russo wrote:

> I had the same situation with my  A50 so went to the boat and did a
> continuity check between ship ground and the cable output and was surprised
> to find that the Ground and Positive were positioned inversely to my
> expectations so don't take any chances. My A50 is working fine at home. Ask
> Raymarine on their Web site. I find them very helpful.
>
> John
> Arpeggio C&C 32
> Norwalk
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> OldSteveH
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:07 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: [SPAM]Stus-List E7 Question
>
> Hello all, I have my E7 at home and want to send it for replacement under
> their recall.
> I need to power it up to archive my routes and waypoints however the wiring
> harness is at the boat (2.5 hours away).
> The + and - power pins on the connector are obvious, but does anyone know
> which is which, I am afraid of reversing polarity and damaging the unit.
> I checked the manual and searched online but came up with nothing. Also
> checked resistance between pins and casing to ID the negative pin.
> However probably due to capacitance on the board, there are funky
> resistance
> readings and its hard to tell which pin is ground.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Steve Hood
> S/V Diamond Girl
> C&C 34
> Lions Head ON
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[dwight]

Rich

 

Do you know if the C-Map NT card I use in my CP190c will work in the CP190i?

 

If it does work, do you know of any way that I could make a copy of the card
I already have?  I would like to have both units up and going at the same
time but I would prefer not to have to by a new C-Map card

 

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Knowles
Sent: February 20, 2014 12:55 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

 

Here's the info on the SH 190i. 

 

The unit is available with or without a base map and both versions accept
c-map cards. 

 

The base map gives detailed depths up to around 30'. In deeper water there
are no depths shown on the screen. If you want more detailed information
about ports, deeper depths and marks etc. , you will need an appropriate
c-map cartridge of the area you need up to a card for all of North America
and environs. Prices vary accordingly. 

 

The Binnacle typically does not advertise electronics on their US website as
selling cross-border can be a hassle for all parties. Prices and details are
on the Canadian web site. Hope this clears up the mystery. 

 

Regardless where you buy it, the CP190i is a great plotter. 


Rich





 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List E7 Question

[Rich Knowles]

Duh!  I'll find out shortly. 

Rich

> On Feb 20, 2014, at 14:42, Frederick G Street  wrote:
> 
> Steve — I just checked the manual, and it looks like the a Series power cable 
> will NOT fit the e Series.  Sorry!
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Frederick G Street  wrote:
>> 
>> But he doesn’t have the power cable.
>> 
>> If it’s the same cable as the a75, I can send you mine to use for your 
>> archiving.  Let me know.
>> 
>> — Fred
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Rich Knowles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Red should be positive and black negative. 
>>> 
>>> Rich
>>> 
 On Feb 20, 2014, at 14:06, OldSteveH  wrote:
 
 Hello all, I have my E7 at home and want to send it for replacement under
 their recall.
 I need to power it up to archive my routes and waypoints however the wiring
 harness is at the boat (2.5 hours away).
 The + and - power pins on the connector are obvious, but does anyone know
 which is which, I am afraid of reversing polarity and damaging the unit.
 I checked the manual and searched online but came up with nothing. Also
 checked resistance between pins and casing to ID the negative pin.
 However probably due to capacitance on the board, there are funky 
 resistance
 readings and its hard to tell which pin is ground.
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Re: Stus-List E7 Question

[OldSteveH]

Pierre thanks for sending that link, that's what I was looking for  :D
But to make sure we're looking at it the same way can you look at the pin
orientation again?

When I look at the diagram and the overall pin pattern I am seeing +ve = Pin
2 as the right pin and Negative = Pin 7 as the left pin, again looking at
the back of the unit.
(however it's possible the connector on your unit has a different
orientation)

Cheers

Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON





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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:50:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Pierre Tremblay 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List E7 Question
Message-ID:
<1392922211.26989.yahoomail...@web125202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Steve,

>From e-Series manual, Appendix C, power are the biggest pins, Batt+ is pin 2
(left when look from behind) Batt- is pin 7 (right when look from behind).

This link:
http://raymarine.ning.com/forum/topics/pinout-a-c-e-gs-series-power-nmea-018
3-video-input-cable?show you the cable, witch is a mirror of the back of the
e7.

Pierre Tremblay
Avalanche
C&C38-3
 


 De?: OldSteveH 
??: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Envoy? le : jeudi 20 f?vrier 2014 13h06
Objet?: Stus-List E7 Question
  

Hello all, I have my E7 at home and want to send it for replacement under
their recall.
I need to power it up to archive my routes and waypoints however the wiring
harness is at the boat (2.5 hours away).
The + and - power pins on the connector are obvious, but does anyone know
which is which, I am afraid of reversing polarity and damaging the unit.
I checked the manual and searched online but came up with nothing. Also
checked resistance between pins and casing to
 ID the negative pin.
However probably due to capacitance on the board, there are funky resistance
readings and its hard to tell which pin is ground.

Cheers


Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON

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Re: Stus-List E7 Question

[Rich Knowles]

Power connector:

Pin 2 is positive
Pin 7 is negative. 

Rich

> On Feb 20, 2014, at 14:42, Frederick G Street  wrote:
> 
> Steve — I just checked the manual, and it looks like the a Series power cable 
> will NOT fit the e Series.  Sorry!
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Frederick G Street  wrote:
>> 
>> But he doesn’t have the power cable.
>> 
>> If it’s the same cable as the a75, I can send you mine to use for your 
>> archiving.  Let me know.
>> 
>> — Fred
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Rich Knowles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Red should be positive and black negative. 
>>> 
>>> Rich
>>> 
 On Feb 20, 2014, at 14:06, OldSteveH  wrote:
 
 Hello all, I have my E7 at home and want to send it for replacement under
 their recall.
 I need to power it up to archive my routes and waypoints however the wiring
 harness is at the boat (2.5 hours away).
 The + and - power pins on the connector are obvious, but does anyone know
 which is which, I am afraid of reversing polarity and damaging the unit.
 I checked the manual and searched online but came up with nothing. Also
 checked resistance between pins and casing to ID the negative pin.
 However probably due to capacitance on the board, there are funky 
 resistance
 readings and its hard to tell which pin is ground.
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Re: Stus-List E7 Question

[Pierre Tremblay]

The picture in the link is the cable. And yes, to help, it is shown sideways. 
The "tail" of the cable sould go down. The e7 unit connector is a mirror of the 
cable. If right pin is + on the cable, then + pin is at the left on e7 unit.
 


 De : OldSteveH 
À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Envoyé le : jeudi 20 février 2014 14h42
Objet : Re: Stus-List E7 Question
  

Pierre thanks for sending that link, that's what I was looking for  :D
But to make sure we're looking at it the same way can you look at the pin
orientation again?

When I look at the diagram and the overall pin pattern I am seeing +ve = Pin
2 as the right pin and Negative = Pin 7 as the left pin, again looking at
the back of the unit.
(however it's possible the connector on your unit has a different
orientation)

Cheers

Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON





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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:50:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Pierre Tremblay 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List E7 Question
Message-ID:
    <1392922211.26989.yahoomail...@web125202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Steve,

From e-Series manual, Appendix C, power are the biggest pins, Batt+ is pin 2
(left when look from behind) Batt- is pin 7 (right when look from behind).

This link:
http://raymarine.ning.com/forum/topics/pinout-a-c-e-gs-series-power-nmea-018
3-video-input-cable?show you the cable, witch is a mirror of the back of the
e7.

Pierre Tremblay
Avalanche
C&C38-3



De?: OldSteveH 
??: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Envoy? le : jeudi 20 f?vrier 2014 13h06
Objet?: Stus-List E7 Question
  

Hello all, I have my E7 at home and want to send it for replacement under
their recall.
I need to power it up to archive my routes and waypoints however the wiring
harness is at the boat (2.5 hours away).
The + and - power pins on the connector are obvious, but does anyone know
which is which, I am afraid of reversing polarity and damaging the unit.
I checked the manual and searched online but came up with nothing. Also
checked resistance between pins and casing to
ID the negative pin.
However probably due to capacitance on the board, there are funky resistance
readings and its hard to tell which pin is ground.

Cheers


Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON

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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[Rich Knowles]

It should work as far as I know. No way to legally copy it. 

Rich

> On Feb 20, 2014, at 15:16, "dwight"  wrote:
> 
> Rich
>  
> Do you know if the C-Map NT card I use in my CP190c will work in the CP190i?
>  
> If it does work, do you know of any way that I could make a copy of the card 
> I already have?  I would like to have both units up and going at the same 
> time but I would prefer not to have to by a new C-Map card
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich 
> Knowles
> Sent: February 20, 2014 12:55 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>  
> Here's the info on the SH 190i. 
>  
> The unit is available with or without a base map and both versions accept 
> c-map cards. 
>  
> The base map gives detailed depths up to around 30'. In deeper water there 
> are no depths shown on the screen. If you want more detailed information 
> about ports, deeper depths and marks etc. , you will need an appropriate 
> c-map cartridge of the area you need up to a card for all of North America 
> and environs. Prices vary accordingly. 
>  
> The Binnacle typically does not advertise electronics on their US website as 
> selling cross-border can be a hassle for all parties. Prices and details are 
> on the Canadian web site. Hope this clears up the mystery. 
>  
> Regardless where you buy it, the CP190i is a great plotter. 
> 
> Rich
> 
> 
>  
>  
>  
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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[dwight]

Any illegal way

 

  _  

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Knowles
Sent: February 20, 2014 4:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

 

It should work as far as I know. No way to legally copy it. 

Rich


On Feb 20, 2014, at 15:16, "dwight"  wrote:

Rich

 

Do you know if the C-Map NT card I use in my CP190c will work in the CP190i?

 

If it does work, do you know of any way that I could make a copy of the card
I already have?  I would like to have both units up and going at the same
time but I would prefer not to have to by a new C-Map card

 

 


  _  


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Knowles
Sent: February 20, 2014 12:55 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

 

Here's the info on the SH 190i. 

 

The unit is available with or without a base map and both versions accept
c-map cards. 

 

The base map gives detailed depths up to around 30'. In deeper water there
are no depths shown on the screen. If you want more detailed information
about ports, deeper depths and marks etc. , you will need an appropriate
c-map cartridge of the area you need up to a card for all of North America
and environs. Prices vary accordingly. 

 

The Binnacle typically does not advertise electronics on their US website as
selling cross-border can be a hassle for all parties. Prices and details are
on the Canadian web site. Hope this clears up the mystery. 

 

Regardless where you buy it, the CP190i is a great plotter. 


Rich






 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[Joel Aronson]

Seriously?  in an on-line forum?


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM, dwight  wrote:

> Any illegal way
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rich
> Knowles
> *Sent:* February 20, 2014 4:22 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>
>
>
> It should work as far as I know. No way to legally copy it.
>
> Rich
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2014, at 15:16, "dwight"  wrote:
>
>  Rich
>
>
>
> Do you know if the C-Map NT card I use in my CP190c will work in the
> CP190i?
>
>
>
> If it does work, do you know of any way that I could make a copy of the
> card I already have?  I would like to have both units up and going at the
> same time but I would prefer not to have to by a new C-Map card
>
>
>
>
>   --
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Rich Knowles
> *Sent:* February 20, 2014 12:55 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>
>
>
> Here's the info on the SH 190i.
>
>
>
> The unit is available with or without a base map and both versions accept
> c-map cards.
>
>
>
> The base map gives detailed depths up to around 30'. In deeper water there
> are no depths shown on the screen. If you want more detailed information
> about ports, deeper depths and marks etc. , you will need an appropriate
> c-map cartridge of the area you need up to a card for all of North Americaand 
> environs. Prices vary accordingly.
>
>
>
> The Binnacle typically does not advertise electronics on their US website
> as selling cross-border can be a hassle for all parties. Prices and details
> are on the Canadian web site. Hope this clears up the mystery.
>
>
>
> Regardless where you buy it, the CP190i is a great plotter.
>
>
> Rich
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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[Josh Muckley]

Legal or illegal I think is falls under the fare use laws...unless he's
distributing his copies.
On Feb 20, 2014 3:53 PM, "Joel Aronson"  wrote:

> Seriously?  in an on-line forum?
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM, dwight  wrote:
>
>> Any illegal way
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rich
>> Knowles
>> *Sent:* February 20, 2014 4:22 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>>
>>
>>
>> It should work as far as I know. No way to legally copy it.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 15:16, "dwight"  wrote:
>>
>>  Rich
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you know if the C-Map NT card I use in my CP190c will work in the
>> CP190i?
>>
>>
>>
>> If it does work, do you know of any way that I could make a copy of the
>> card I already have?  I would like to have both units up and going at the
>> same time but I would prefer not to have to by a new C-Map card
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   --
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List 
>> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
>> *On Behalf Of *Rich Knowles
>> *Sent:* February 20, 2014 12:55 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's the info on the SH 190i.
>>
>>
>>
>> The unit is available with or without a base map and both versions accept
>> c-map cards.
>>
>>
>>
>> The base map gives detailed depths up to around 30'. In deeper water
>> there are no depths shown on the screen. If you want more detailed
>> information about ports, deeper depths and marks etc. , you will need an
>> appropriate c-map cartridge of the area you need up to a card for all of 
>> North
>> America and environs. Prices vary accordingly.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Binnacle typically does not advertise electronics on their USwebsite as 
>> selling cross-border can be a hassle for all parties. Prices and
>> details are on the Canadian web site. Hope this clears up the mystery.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regardless where you buy it, the CP190i is a great plotter.
>>
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[Rich Knowles]

None I'm willing to discuss:)

Rich

> On Feb 20, 2014, at 16:42, "dwight"  wrote:
> 
> Any illegal way
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich 
> Knowles
> Sent: February 20, 2014 4:22 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>  
> It should work as far as I know. No way to legally copy it. 
> 
> Rich
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 15:16, "dwight"  wrote:
>> Rich
>>  
>> Do you know if the C-Map NT card I use in my CP190c will work in the CP190i?
>>  
>> If it does work, do you know of any way that I could make a copy of the card 
>> I already have?  I would like to have both units up and going at the same 
>> time but I would prefer not to have to by a new C-Map card
>>  
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich 
>> Knowles
>> Sent: February 20, 2014 12:55 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>>  
>> Here's the info on the SH 190i. 
>>  
>> The unit is available with or without a base map and both versions accept 
>> c-map cards. 
>>  
>> The base map gives detailed depths up to around 30'. In deeper water there 
>> are no depths shown on the screen. If you want more detailed information 
>> about ports, deeper depths and marks etc. , you will need an appropriate 
>> c-map cartridge of the area you need up to a card for all of North America 
>> and environs. Prices vary accordingly. 
>>  
>> The Binnacle typically does not advertise electronics on their US website as 
>> selling cross-border can be a hassle for all parties. Prices and details are 
>> on the Canadian web site. Hope this clears up the mystery. 
>>  
>> Regardless where you buy it, the CP190i is a great plotter. 
>> 
>> Rich
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
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Re: Stus-List Marine systems

[Josh Muckley]

Or this one.

http://www.42.co.nz/freeboard/technical/
On Feb 20, 2014 8:11 AM, "Stevan Plavsa"  wrote:

> Nice.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Josh Muckley  wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Check out this open source package.
>>
>> http://marinux.tuxfamily.org/
>>
>> You can have the screen relay to a marinized touch screen at the helm or
>> you can use any older chart plotter/gps to interface via NMEA 0183.
>>
>> Josh
>> On Feb 19, 2014 9:06 PM, "Stevan Plavsa"  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you guys know what OS Raymarine, Garmin et al use? I'm sure they're
>>> different but I'm guessing they are all proprietary to their brand. Is that
>>> correct? If it is, that would mean that they have a whole team of people
>>> developing their OS, right?
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> A thought: why don't they simply license Android, fire their software
>>> department (or re-orient them to create amazing Raymarine/Garmin, whatever
>>> apps for Android) and make more money? We the consumer get a platform
>>> that's much more flexible than what those devices are currently running
>>> plus access to all these wonderful apps, which would only get better and
>>> better if there was a hardware environment for them more suitable to the
>>> marine environment than tablets. The fact that Raymarine now has apps for
>>> those devices is telling, people are clearly using tablets on their boats.
>>> I think they have it backwards. Don't bring raymarine to the android
>>> device. Bring Android to the raymarine device. The marine tech companies
>>> are in the hardware business first, software is secondary. They should
>>> stick to their core competency and let the big guys do the software part.
>>> More frequent updates and bug fixes, a standard user experience regardless
>>> of manufacturer. The freedom and ability to run all kinds of apps on your
>>> boat computer (because that's what a chart plotter is). Etc. There's
>>> already a software environment which means there is demand in the market
>>> (navionics, mx mariner, opencpn, etc). My feeling is that the software
>>> companies are going to be able to provide much better apps for us than what
>>> raymarine and garmin are currently giving us.
>>>
>>> Imagine a raymarine computer at your helm, just like their top of the
>>> line plotter but you can install whatever you want on it and do whatever
>>> you can currently do with your android device (because it runs android). If
>>> they wanted to, they could port their chart software to android and sell it
>>> as an app or provide coupon codes to download it free with the purchase of
>>> their hardware. Why is Raymarine developing music playing apps and weather
>>> apps for their proprietary platform? That costs money! and this stuff
>>> already exists.
>>>
>>> Think blackberry. They got it all wrong. Along came Samsung and took the
>>> entire market (Apple too, but Samsung is #1). If blackberry licensed
>>> Android before the whole end game thing happened I think they'd still be
>>> around, and profitable. People liked their platform, sure, but what they
>>> really liked was their *hardware*. I've played around with the chart
>>> plotters at the boat show and the chandleries. I wasn't really impressed
>>> with any of the interfaces. They should continue to build amazing marine
>>> grade HARDWARE and let the people that know software handle that part.
>>>
>>> Someone is going to come along and do this. Personally, I would buy a
>>> "Marine Tough" android device for the helm before I purchased any purpose
>>> built plotter. It would do everything that a plotter does plus so much more
>>> (for those times when you're alongside a dock and want to watch a movie in
>>> the cockpit or some other frivolous thing like facebook or the C&C mailing
>>> list ;) ). Hell, install a display down below.
>>> "Computer. Play movie. Terminator 2."
>>> And so on. Science fiction had it all figured out with Hal. One central
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> One computer to rule them all and in the dorkness bind them.
>>>
>>> I wish I was capable of starting a business like this, I'de do it
>>> myself.
>>>
>>> Most people have MULTIPLE computers on board. The VHF these days is a
>>> computer, the laptop at the nav station, the chart plotter, the instrument
>>> displays .. why?!!! Just give me one CPU running a commonly used platform
>>> and let the software companies duke it out. Plug in a bunch of dumb
>>> displays or interactive displays, whatever your budget allows. Hook up all
>>> your transducers and sensors and you're off to the races. Focus on making
>>> amazing marine hardware and continue to charge marine prices for it. Stop
>>> spending money on coders to maintain your proprietary system and MAKE MORE
>>> MONEY. Or like I said before, turn them into an App department and port
>>> what they've already got as apps .. FOR SALE!
>>>
>>>
>>> Rambling thoughts on a wednesday night.
>>> Someone's going to owe me a beer if this happens.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> Suhana, C&C 32
>>> Toronto
>>>

Re: Stus-List Marine systems

[Josh Muckley]

Steve,

Here's an open source autohelm that the guy built for ~$350.

http://themarineinstallersrant.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-arduino-autopilot-that-jack-built.html

Josh
On Feb 19, 2014 9:06 PM, "Stevan Plavsa"  wrote:

> Do you guys know what OS Raymarine, Garmin et al use? I'm sure they're
> different but I'm guessing they are all proprietary to their brand. Is that
> correct? If it is, that would mean that they have a whole team of people
> developing their OS, right?
>
> Why?
>
> A thought: why don't they simply license Android, fire their software
> department (or re-orient them to create amazing Raymarine/Garmin, whatever
> apps for Android) and make more money? We the consumer get a platform
> that's much more flexible than what those devices are currently running
> plus access to all these wonderful apps, which would only get better and
> better if there was a hardware environment for them more suitable to the
> marine environment than tablets. The fact that Raymarine now has apps for
> those devices is telling, people are clearly using tablets on their boats.
> I think they have it backwards. Don't bring raymarine to the android
> device. Bring Android to the raymarine device. The marine tech companies
> are in the hardware business first, software is secondary. They should
> stick to their core competency and let the big guys do the software part.
> More frequent updates and bug fixes, a standard user experience regardless
> of manufacturer. The freedom and ability to run all kinds of apps on your
> boat computer (because that's what a chart plotter is). Etc. There's
> already a software environment which means there is demand in the market
> (navionics, mx mariner, opencpn, etc). My feeling is that the software
> companies are going to be able to provide much better apps for us than what
> raymarine and garmin are currently giving us.
>
> Imagine a raymarine computer at your helm, just like their top of the line
> plotter but you can install whatever you want on it and do whatever you can
> currently do with your android device (because it runs android). If they
> wanted to, they could port their chart software to android and sell it as
> an app or provide coupon codes to download it free with the purchase of
> their hardware. Why is Raymarine developing music playing apps and weather
> apps for their proprietary platform? That costs money! and this stuff
> already exists.
>
> Think blackberry. They got it all wrong. Along came Samsung and took the
> entire market (Apple too, but Samsung is #1). If blackberry licensed
> Android before the whole end game thing happened I think they'd still be
> around, and profitable. People liked their platform, sure, but what they
> really liked was their *hardware*. I've played around with the chart
> plotters at the boat show and the chandleries. I wasn't really impressed
> with any of the interfaces. They should continue to build amazing marine
> grade HARDWARE and let the people that know software handle that part.
>
> Someone is going to come along and do this. Personally, I would buy a
> "Marine Tough" android device for the helm before I purchased any purpose
> built plotter. It would do everything that a plotter does plus so much more
> (for those times when you're alongside a dock and want to watch a movie in
> the cockpit or some other frivolous thing like facebook or the C&C mailing
> list ;) ). Hell, install a display down below.
> "Computer. Play movie. Terminator 2."
> And so on. Science fiction had it all figured out with Hal. One central
> computer.
>
> One computer to rule them all and in the dorkness bind them.
>
> I wish I was capable of starting a business like this, I'de do it myself.
>
> Most people have MULTIPLE computers on board. The VHF these days is a
> computer, the laptop at the nav station, the chart plotter, the instrument
> displays .. why?!!! Just give me one CPU running a commonly used platform
> and let the software companies duke it out. Plug in a bunch of dumb
> displays or interactive displays, whatever your budget allows. Hook up all
> your transducers and sensors and you're off to the races. Focus on making
> amazing marine hardware and continue to charge marine prices for it. Stop
> spending money on coders to maintain your proprietary system and MAKE MORE
> MONEY. Or like I said before, turn them into an App department and port
> what they've already got as apps .. FOR SALE!
>
>
> Rambling thoughts on a wednesday night.
> Someone's going to owe me a beer if this happens.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[dwight]

Hey Joel, lighten up

 

The reply from Rich begged the question.seems he probably does not know the
answer anyway.probably you never copied a cd or if you're old enough maybe
you never made a cassette recording from a vinyl.seriously, probably not as
many lily whites on this planet as you may think, or for that matter on this
forum either?

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: February 20, 2014 4:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

 

Seriously?  in an on-line forum?

 

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM, dwight  wrote:

Any illegal way

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Knowles
Sent: February 20, 2014 4:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

 

It should work as far as I know. No way to legally copy it. 

Rich


On Feb 20, 2014, at 15:16, "dwight"  wrote:

Rich

 

Do you know if the C-Map NT card I use in my CP190c will work in the CP190i?

 

If it does work, do you know of any way that I could make a copy of the card
I already have?  I would like to have both units up and going at the same
time but I would prefer not to have to by a new C-Map card

 

 


  _  


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Knowles
Sent: February 20, 2014 12:55 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

 

Here's the info on the SH 190i. 

 

The unit is available with or without a base map and both versions accept
c-map cards. 

 

The base map gives detailed depths up to around 30'. In deeper water there
are no depths shown on the screen. If you want more detailed information
about ports, deeper depths and marks etc. , you will need an appropriate
c-map cartridge of the area you need up to a card for all of North America
and environs. Prices vary accordingly. 

 

The Binnacle typically does not advertise electronics on their US website as
selling cross-border can be a hassle for all parties. Prices and details are
on the Canadian web site. Hope this clears up the mystery. 

 

Regardless where you buy it, the CP190i is a great plotter. 


Rich





 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Marine Systems

[Bill Coleman]

Well, Damn you, Jean, or Francois,

You just cost me a couple hours and no doubt more later, as I sit here 
slack-jawed watching YouTube videos of what this is capable of!  This looks 
like watching the Americas Cup on this little screen! I can’t believe the 
changing laylines.  I downloaded the manual, this is mind boggling.

I really don’t want to Replace my Raymarine CRC80 . .  .this would also 
probably require new Wind/Speed/Depth and Replacing the Raymarine autopilot 
because of that annoying sea-talk.  

 

Knees getting weak . . .

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
Jean-Francois J Rivard
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Marine Systems

 

Don't mean to beat a dead horse.. but.  

Here's why I spent $900.00 on a B&G Zeus Touch.  Rugged  / Clear Screen in the 
sun / Waterproof /  No-Nonsense functionality / integration. 

It’s so much more than just a GPS nav.. 

No-Nonsense functionality:  Has both touch and real buttons that you can use 
intuitively in the heat of the battle / wearing gloves

Sailing functionality.   (Sail Magazine 2013 #1 innovation award winner: Sail 
Steer) ETA / Waypoints / Tack Laylines automatically optimized via knowledge of 
currents / tides / windshifts  / GPS position / SOG / COG / VMG . .Etc. 

All the normal sailing gauges / Drive your Autopilot optimized via the 
aforementioned (Sail Steer)

Cool Integration, single interface to view and control from the helm or 
anywhere on the boat via an Ipad / Android device on Wifi of the following: 

- Full Audio control -->  Control Ipod / Android music lists, Pendora, 
Independent volume for speaker zones (Cockpit / Salon / Sub ) (Fusion makes an  
NMEA 2000 Compliant  Ipod / iphone interface  / speaker package (260.00 bucks 
or so) and a full featured Bluetooth / DVD / CD / AM-FM / USB NMEA compliant 
Head unit  (About 500.00)
- Radar 
- Engine / Fluid levels monitoring
- Sonar
- AIS
- All Sailing gauges VMG / Combined actual / apparent wind / close-hauled / 
etc. etc. 
- Chartplotter  / GPS mapping 


Network Integration:

- NMEA 0183 output built-in to integrate with my Autupilot / VHF
- All my new transducers / windvanes / sensors are NMEA 2000 compliant and on 
the backbone + There's a standard ethernet network output for cheap wifi 
capabilities.  
- No proprietary networking to fool with or adapter interfaces needed.  Any 
NMEA 2000  compliant module / display / Ipad / Android app that get hook on the 
Wifi / ethenet  can benefit from SOG / windspeed / wind direction / COG / GPS 
coordinates, etc etc

Software is upgradable via standard sim card / works with upgraded Navionics 
chats 

All of this is plug and play on a rugged / waterproof device. 

In the big scheme of things and all the money we spend on these boats 900.00 
for this much integration and easy to use functionality is money well spent. 

-Francois Rivard
1990 C&C 34+ Take Five
Lake Lanier, GA





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Re: Stus-List Marine systems

[Stevan Plavsa]

Josh, that's interesting but not what I was getting at :)

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Here's an open source autohelm that the guy built for ~$350.
>
>
> http://themarineinstallersrant.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-arduino-autopilot-that-jack-built.html
>
> Josh
> On Feb 19, 2014 9:06 PM, "Stevan Plavsa"  wrote:
>
>> Do you guys know what OS Raymarine, Garmin et al use? I'm sure they're
>> different but I'm guessing they are all proprietary to their brand. Is that
>> correct? If it is, that would mean that they have a whole team of people
>> developing their OS, right?
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> A thought: why don't they simply license Android, fire their software
>> department (or re-orient them to create amazing Raymarine/Garmin, whatever
>> apps for Android) and make more money? We the consumer get a platform
>> that's much more flexible than what those devices are currently running
>> plus access to all these wonderful apps, which would only get better and
>> better if there was a hardware environment for them more suitable to the
>> marine environment than tablets. The fact that Raymarine now has apps for
>> those devices is telling, people are clearly using tablets on their boats.
>> I think they have it backwards. Don't bring raymarine to the android
>> device. Bring Android to the raymarine device. The marine tech companies
>> are in the hardware business first, software is secondary. They should
>> stick to their core competency and let the big guys do the software part.
>> More frequent updates and bug fixes, a standard user experience regardless
>> of manufacturer. The freedom and ability to run all kinds of apps on your
>> boat computer (because that's what a chart plotter is). Etc. There's
>> already a software environment which means there is demand in the market
>> (navionics, mx mariner, opencpn, etc). My feeling is that the software
>> companies are going to be able to provide much better apps for us than what
>> raymarine and garmin are currently giving us.
>>
>> Imagine a raymarine computer at your helm, just like their top of the
>> line plotter but you can install whatever you want on it and do whatever
>> you can currently do with your android device (because it runs android). If
>> they wanted to, they could port their chart software to android and sell it
>> as an app or provide coupon codes to download it free with the purchase of
>> their hardware. Why is Raymarine developing music playing apps and weather
>> apps for their proprietary platform? That costs money! and this stuff
>> already exists.
>>
>> Think blackberry. They got it all wrong. Along came Samsung and took the
>> entire market (Apple too, but Samsung is #1). If blackberry licensed
>> Android before the whole end game thing happened I think they'd still be
>> around, and profitable. People liked their platform, sure, but what they
>> really liked was their *hardware*. I've played around with the chart
>> plotters at the boat show and the chandleries. I wasn't really impressed
>> with any of the interfaces. They should continue to build amazing marine
>> grade HARDWARE and let the people that know software handle that part.
>>
>> Someone is going to come along and do this. Personally, I would buy a
>> "Marine Tough" android device for the helm before I purchased any purpose
>> built plotter. It would do everything that a plotter does plus so much more
>> (for those times when you're alongside a dock and want to watch a movie in
>> the cockpit or some other frivolous thing like facebook or the C&C mailing
>> list ;) ). Hell, install a display down below.
>> "Computer. Play movie. Terminator 2."
>> And so on. Science fiction had it all figured out with Hal. One central
>> computer.
>>
>> One computer to rule them all and in the dorkness bind them.
>>
>> I wish I was capable of starting a business like this, I'de do it myself.
>>
>> Most people have MULTIPLE computers on board. The VHF these days is a
>> computer, the laptop at the nav station, the chart plotter, the instrument
>> displays .. why?!!! Just give me one CPU running a commonly used platform
>> and let the software companies duke it out. Plug in a bunch of dumb
>> displays or interactive displays, whatever your budget allows. Hook up all
>> your transducers and sensors and you're off to the races. Focus on making
>> amazing marine hardware and continue to charge marine prices for it. Stop
>> spending money on coders to maintain your proprietary system and MAKE MORE
>> MONEY. Or like I said before, turn them into an App department and port
>> what they've already got as apps .. FOR SALE!
>>
>>
>> Rambling thoughts on a wednesday night.
>> Someone's going to owe me a beer if this happens.
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>> Toronto
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Marine systems

[Frederick G Street]

Wow, Arduino AND Raspberry Pi in the same project!   :^)   Pretty slick.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:

> Or this one. 
> 
> http://www.42.co.nz/freeboard/technical/
> 

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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[Stevan Plavsa]

I think Joel works in the legal profession :)
if I'm not mistaken.

Up here in Canada we're a little more lax about that stuff. Fair use, if
you own a copy you can copy it for personal use ... that's my understanding
with music anyway though I could be totally wrong. It happens :)

Steve
One Love, C&C 32
Toronto




On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:57 PM, dwight  wrote:

> Hey Joel, lighten up
>
>
>
> The reply from Rich begged the question...seems he probably does not know
> the answer anyway...probably you never copied a cd or if you're old enough
> maybe you never made a cassette recording from a vinyl...seriously, probably
> not as many lily whites on this planet as you may think, or for that matter
> on this forum either?
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Aronson
> *Sent:* February 20, 2014 4:53 PM
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>
>
>
> Seriously?  in an on-line forum?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM, dwight  wrote:
>
> Any illegal way
>
>
>   --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rich
> Knowles
> *Sent:* February 20, 2014 4:22 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>
>
>
> It should work as far as I know. No way to legally copy it.
>
> Rich
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2014, at 15:16, "dwight"  wrote:
>
>  Rich
>
>
>
> Do you know if the C-Map NT card I use in my CP190c will work in the
> CP190i?
>
>
>
> If it does work, do you know of any way that I could make a copy of the
> card I already have?  I would like to have both units up and going at the
> same time but I would prefer not to have to by a new C-Map card
>
>
>
>
>   --
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Rich Knowles
> *Sent:* February 20, 2014 12:55 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>
>
>
> Here's the info on the SH 190i.
>
>
>
> The unit is available with or without a base map and both versions accept
> c-map cards.
>
>
>
> The base map gives detailed depths up to around 30'. In deeper water there
> are no depths shown on the screen. If you want more detailed information
> about ports, deeper depths and marks etc. , you will need an appropriate
> c-map cartridge of the area you need up to a card for all of North Americaand 
> environs. Prices vary accordingly.
>
>
>
> The Binnacle typically does not advertise electronics on their US website
> as selling cross-border can be a hassle for all parties. Prices and details
> are on the Canadian web site. Hope this clears up the mystery.
>
>
>
> Regardless where you buy it, the CP190i is a great plotter.
>
>
> Rich
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: Stus-List Marine Systems

[Stevan Plavsa]

Yeah Bill I feel your pain, my wallet is straining.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Bill Coleman  wrote:

>  Well, Damn you, Jean, or Francois,
>
> You just cost me a couple hours and no doubt more later, as I sit here
> slack-jawed watching YouTube videos of what this is capable of!  This looks
> like watching the Americas Cup on this little screen! I can't believe the
> changing laylines.  I downloaded the manual, this is mind boggling.
>
> I really don't want to Replace my Raymarine CRC80 . .  .this would also
> probably require new Wind/Speed/Depth and Replacing the Raymarine autopilot
> because of that annoying sea-talk.
>
>
>
> Knees getting weak . . .
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C&C 39
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *Jean-Francois
> J Rivard
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:03 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Marine Systems
>
>
>
> Don't mean to beat a dead horse.. but.
>
> Here's why I spent $900.00 on a B&G Zeus Touch.  Rugged  / Clear Screen in
> the sun / Waterproof /  No-Nonsense functionality / integration.
>
> It's so much more than just a GPS nav..
>
> No-Nonsense functionality:  Has both touch and real buttons that you can
> use intuitively in the heat of the battle / wearing gloves
>
> Sailing functionality.   (Sail Magazine 2013 #1 innovation award winner:
> Sail Steer) ETA / Waypoints / Tack Laylines automatically optimized via
> knowledge of currents / tides / windshifts  / GPS position / SOG / COG /
> VMG . .Etc.
>
> All the normal sailing gauges / Drive your Autopilot optimized via the
> aforementioned (Sail Steer)
>
> Cool Integration, single interface to view and control from the helm or
> anywhere on the boat via an Ipad / Android device on Wifi of the following:
>
> - Full Audio control -->  Control Ipod / Android music lists, Pendora,
> Independent volume for speaker zones (Cockpit / Salon / Sub ) (Fusion makes
> an  NMEA 2000 Compliant  Ipod / iphone interface  / speaker package (260.00
> bucks or so) and a full featured Bluetooth / DVD / CD / AM-FM / USB NMEA
> compliant Head unit  (About 500.00)
> - Radar
> - Engine / Fluid levels monitoring
> - Sonar
> - AIS
> - All Sailing gauges VMG / Combined actual / apparent wind / close-hauled
> / etc. etc.
> - Chartplotter  / GPS mapping
>
>
> Network Integration:
>
> - NMEA 0183 output built-in to integrate with my Autupilot / VHF
> - All my new transducers / windvanes / sensors are NMEA 2000 compliant and
> on the backbone + There's a standard ethernet network output for cheap wifi
> capabilities.
> - No proprietary networking to fool with or adapter interfaces needed.
>  Any NMEA 2000  compliant module / display / Ipad / Android app that get
> hook on the Wifi / ethenet  can benefit from SOG / windspeed / wind
> direction / COG / GPS coordinates, etc etc
>
> Software is upgradable via standard sim card / works with upgraded
> Navionics chats
>
> All of this is plug and play on a rugged / waterproof device.
>
> In the big scheme of things and all the money we spend on these boats
> 900.00 for this much integration and easy to use functionality is money
> well spent.
>
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 C&C 34+ Take Five
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

[Joel Aronson]

Guilty as charged - on several fronts!

Joel


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

> I think Joel works in the legal profession :)
> if I'm not mistaken.
>
> Up here in Canada we're a little more lax about that stuff. Fair use, if
> you own a copy you can copy it for personal use ... that's my understanding
> with music anyway though I could be totally wrong. It happens :)
>
> Steve
> One Love, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:57 PM, dwight  wrote:
>
>> Hey Joel, lighten up
>>
>>
>>
>> The reply from Rich begged the question...seems he probably does not know
>> the answer anyway...probably you never copied a cd or if you're old enough
>> maybe you never made a cassette recording from a vinyl...seriously, probably
>> not as many lily whites on this planet as you may think, or for that matter
>> on this forum either?
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
>> Aronson
>> *Sent:* February 20, 2014 4:53 PM
>>
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>>
>>
>>
>> Seriously?  in an on-line forum?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM, dwight  wrote:
>>
>> Any illegal way
>>
>>
>>   --
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rich
>> Knowles
>> *Sent:* February 20, 2014 4:22 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>>
>>
>>
>> It should work as far as I know. No way to legally copy it.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 15:16, "dwight"  wrote:
>>
>>  Rich
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you know if the C-Map NT card I use in my CP190c will work in the
>> CP190i?
>>
>>
>>
>> If it does work, do you know of any way that I could make a copy of the
>> card I already have?  I would like to have both units up and going at the
>> same time but I would prefer not to have to by a new C-Map card
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   --
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List 
>> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
>> *On Behalf Of *Rich Knowles
>> *Sent:* February 20, 2014 12:55 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's the info on the SH 190i.
>>
>>
>>
>> The unit is available with or without a base map and both versions accept
>> c-map cards.
>>
>>
>>
>> The base map gives detailed depths up to around 30'. In deeper water
>> there are no depths shown on the screen. If you want more detailed
>> information about ports, deeper depths and marks etc. , you will need an
>> appropriate c-map cartridge of the area you need up to a card for all of 
>> North
>> America and environs. Prices vary accordingly.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Binnacle typically does not advertise electronics on their USwebsite as 
>> selling cross-border can be a hassle for all parties. Prices and
>> details are on the Canadian web site. Hope this clears up the mystery.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regardless where you buy it, the CP190i is a great plotter.
>>
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
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>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: Stus-List Marine Systems

[Pierre Tremblay]

Bill, I don't think you would need to replace wind/depth/speed sensor. Seatalk 
can be easily bridge to NMEA2000. After all, those are simple N2K message, not 
quite like autopilot. It can be done with an ITC-5 or through the existing 
ST-whatever display.

I feel like a little devil on your left shoulder.

Pierre Tremblay
Avalanche #54988
C&C38-3 WK, hull #76
 


 De : Bill Coleman 
À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Envoyé le : jeudi 20 février 2014 16h59
Objet : Re: Stus-List Marine Systems
  


Well, Damn you, Jean, or Francois, 
You just cost me a couple hours and no doubt more later, as I
sit here slack-jawed watching YouTube videos of what this is capable of!  This
looks like watching the Americas Cup on this little screen! I can’t believe the
changing laylines.  I downloaded the manual, this is mind boggling. 
I really don’t want to Replace my Raymarine CRC80 . .  .this
would also probably require new Wind/Speed/Depth and Replacing the Raymarine
autopilot because of that annoying sea-talk.   
  
Knees getting weak . . . 
  
Bill Coleman 
C&C 39   
  
From:CnC-List
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J
Rivard
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Marine Systems   
  
Don't mean
to beat a dead horse.. but.  

Here's why I
spent $900.00 on a B&G Zeus Touch.  Rugged  / Clear Screen in the
sun / Waterproof /  No-Nonsense functionality / integration. 

It’s so much
more than just a GPS nav.. 

No-Nonsense
functionality:  Has both touch and real buttons that you can use
intuitively in the heat of the battle / wearing gloves

Sailing functionality.
  (Sail Magazine 2013 #1 innovation award winner: Sail Steer) ETA /
Waypoints / Tack Laylines automatically optimized via knowledge of currents /
tides / windshifts  / GPS position / SOG / COG / VMG . .Etc. 

All the normal
sailing gauges / Drive your Autopilot optimized via the aforementioned (Sail
Steer)

Cool
Integration, single interface to view and control from the helm or anywhere on
the boat via an Ipad / Android device on Wifi of the following: 

- Full Audio
control -->  Control Ipod / Android music lists, Pendora, Independent
volume for speaker zones (Cockpit / Salon / Sub ) (Fusion makes an  NMEA
2000 Compliant  Ipod / iphone interface  / speaker package (260.00
bucks or so) and a full featured Bluetooth / DVD / CD / AM-FM / USB NMEA 
compliant
Head unit  (About 500.00)
- Radar 
- Engine /
Fluid levels monitoring
- Sonar
- AIS
- All Sailing
gauges VMG / Combined actual / apparent wind / close-hauled / etc. etc. 
- Chartplotter
 / GPS mapping  

Network
Integration:

- NMEA 0183
output built-in to integrate with my Autupilot / VHF
- All my new
transducers / windvanes / sensors are NMEA 2000 compliant and on the backbone +
There's a standard ethernet network output for cheap wifi capabilities.  
- No
proprietary networking to fool with or adapter interfaces needed.  Any
NMEA 2000  compliant module / display / Ipad / Android app that get hook
on the Wifi / ethenet  can benefit from SOG / windspeed / wind direction /
COG / GPS coordinates, etc etc 
Software is
upgradable via standard sim card / works with upgraded Navionics chats  
All of this
is plug and play on a rugged / waterproof device.  
In the big
scheme of things and all the money we spend on these boats 900.00 for this much
integration and easy to use functionality is money well spent.  
-Francois
Rivard
1990 C&C
34+ Take Five
Lake Lanier, GA



  

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Re: Stus-List Marine Systems

[Bill Coleman]

My wind/speed/depth are old network B&G, 0183, not seatalk.  The otto is 
seatalk.

But I would also have to have that StructureScan transducer so I could see 
perfect images of the bottom.

This video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlO6naQL0m0

seems to explain a little of what I was wondering about this morning.  It looks 
like Lowrance owns this technology? , at least that is all that comes up when I 
search for it.   The Lowrance display in the video is like a TiVo, you can 
bring back the images that you just went over and mark them.   Amazing.  I’ll 
bet you could find your winch handles with this technology.

BTW, who has the Zeus, Pierre, Jean, or Francois?

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pierre 
Tremblay
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Systems

 

Bill, I don't think you would need to replace wind/depth/speed sensor. Seatalk 
can be easily bridge to NMEA2000. After all, those are simple N2K message, not 
quite like autopilot. It can be done with an ITC-5 or through the existing 
ST-whatever display.

 

I feel like a little devil on your left shoulder.

 

Pierre Tremblay

Avalanche #54988

C&C38-3 WK, hull #76

De : Bill Coleman 
À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Envoyé le : jeudi 20 février 2014 16h59
Objet : Re: Stus-List Marine Systems

 

Well, Damn you, Jean, or Francois,

You just cost me a couple hours and no doubt more later, as I sit here 
slack-jawed watching YouTube videos of what this is capable of!  This looks 
like watching the Americas Cup on this little screen! I can’t believe the 
changing laylines.  I downloaded the manual, this is mind boggling.

I really don’t want to Replace my Raymarine CRC80 . .  .this would also 
probably require new Wind/Speed/Depth and Replacing the Raymarine autopilot 
because of that annoying sea-talk.  

 

Knees getting weak . . .

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
Jean-Francois J Rivard
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Marine Systems

 

Don't mean to beat a dead horse.. but.  

Here's why I spent $900.00 on a B&G Zeus Touch.  Rugged  / Clear Screen in the 
sun / Waterproof /  No-Nonsense functionality / integration. 

It’s so much more than just a GPS nav.. 

No-Nonsense functionality:  Has both touch and real buttons that you can use 
intuitively in the heat of the battle / wearing gloves

Sailing functionality.   (Sail Magazine 2013 #1 innovation award winner: Sail 
Steer) ETA / Waypoints / Tack Laylines automatically optimized via knowledge of 
currents / tides / windshifts  / GPS position / SOG / COG / VMG . .Etc. 

All the normal sailing gauges / Drive your Autopilot optimized via the 
aforementioned (Sail Steer)

Cool Integration, single interface to view and control from the helm or 
anywhere on the boat via an Ipad / Android device on Wifi of the following: 

- Full Audio control -->  Control Ipod / Android music lists, Pendora, 
Independent volume for speaker zones (Cockpit / Salon / Sub ) (Fusion makes an  
NMEA 2000 Compliant  Ipod / iphone interface  / speaker package (260.00 bucks 
or so) and a full featured Bluetooth / DVD / CD / AM-FM / USB NMEA compliant 
Head unit  (About 500.00)
- Radar 
- Engine / Fluid levels monitoring
- Sonar
- AIS
- All Sailing gauges VMG / Combined actual / apparent wind / close-hauled / 
etc. etc. 
- Chartplotter  / GPS mapping 


Network Integration:

- NMEA 0183 output built-in to integrate with my Autupilot / VHF
- All my new transducers / windvanes / sensors are NMEA 2000 compliant and on 
the backbone + There's a standard ethernet network output for cheap wifi 
capabilities.  
- No proprietary networking to fool with or adapter interfaces needed.  Any 
NMEA 2000  compliant module / display / Ipad / Android app that get hook on the 
Wifi / ethenet  can benefit from SOG / windspeed / wind direction / COG / GPS 
coordinates, etc etc

Software is upgradable via standard sim card / works with upgraded Navionics 
chats 

All of this is plug and play on a rugged / waterproof device. 

In the big scheme of things and all the money we spend on these boats 900.00 
for this much integration and easy to use functionality is money well spent. 

-Francois Rivard
1990 C&C 34+ Take Five
Lake Lanier, GA




 

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Re: Stus-List Marine systems

[Tim Goodyear]

Night mode depends on the app, and yes, I have seen some that do have that.

> On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
> 
> Michael,
> 
> I like having the joystick on the E7 in any kind of weather.  It is more 
> precise than my finger.  I always turn down the brightness at night and never 
> had an issue.  There's a night mode?  I'm not aware of a night mode on an 
> IPad.  Just a brightness control.
> 
> Joel
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Michael Brown  wrote:
>> I visited the Raymarine booth at the Toronto boat show. 
>> 
>> No firm answers, comments were made that the display portion may be based on 
>> Android,
>> someone else thought that the base OS was a Linux variant BusyBox. I could 
>> understand
>> BusyBox, it has been used for a while as an embedded OS in things like 
>> routers and TV
>> set top boxes.
>> 
>> The new "Lighthouse" interface looked very good. I asked the rep about the 
>> use of touchscreens
>> during heavy weather. I guess this had come up before, I got a demo of the 
>> Hybrid Touch units
>> and how easy it was to lock / unlock the touch part. The suggestion was the 
>> dedicated fixed
>> buttons had an advantage in some conditions.
>> 
>> I was also interested in the night mode. From my experience mounting a 
>> chartplotter at the helm
>> and using it at night quickly affects my night vision. Even with the screen 
>> switch to black / white
>> or black / red ( full color at night is not very useful ) with the night 
>> reverse mode on ( background
>> dark ) looking at it for a few moments causes a very noticeable reduction in 
>> night vision.
>> 
>> How readable are the iPads / Android tablets at very low light levels? Can 
>> the apps be set down
>> to monochrome and still be usable?
>> 
>> Michael Brown
>> Windburn
>> C&C 30-1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:18:32 -0500 
>> From: "Marek Dziedzic"  
>> To:  
>> Subject: Stus-List  Marine systems 
>> Message-ID:  
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
>> 
>> Steve, 
>> 
>> I think that the big issue is that the dedicated device is a much better 
>> controlled environment. For recreational boaters, this may not matter that 
>> much, but if you are a commercial boat skipper, you may want to have 
>> confidence that this particular instrument won?t go suddenly into a BSOD 
>> only because you installed an app for watching movies or playing music. So 
>> it is a question of controlling the environment well. 
>> 
>> >From what I have seen, I don?t think Garmin and al develop their own OSs. 
>> >More than likely they get commercially developed OSs (like the Blackberry?s 
>> >QNX) and modify it slightly (or more than slightly) to fit their needs. 
>> 
>> Having said all of the above, I fully agree with you. 
>> 
>> Marek 
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Re: Stus-List Marine Systems

[Paul Baker]

A word of caution about the Lowrance HD transducers, I tried one and 
they basically do not work shooting through the hull.  You have to 
either transom mount, or drill a hole in the boat.  The are also an odd 
shape and do not fit any standard through-hull fitting.  I ended up 
returning the unit.

Cheers,
Paul

On 14-02-20 04:13 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:


My wind/speed/depth are old network B&G, 0183, not seatalk. The otto 
is seatalk.


But I would also have to have that StructureScan transducer so I could 
see perfect images of the bottom.


This video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlO6naQL0m0

seems to explain a little of what I was wondering about this morning.  
It looks like Lowrance owns this technology? , at least that is all 
that comes up when I search for it.   The Lowrance display in the 
video is like a TiVo, you can bring back the images that you just went 
over and mark them.   Amazing. I'll bet you could find your winch 
handles with this technology.


BTW, who has the Zeus, Pierre, Jean, or Francois?

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Pierre Tremblay

*Sent:* Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:03 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Marine Systems

Bill, I don't think you would need to replace wind/depth/speed sensor. 
Seatalk can be easily bridge to NMEA2000. After all, those are simple 
N2K message, not quite like autopilot. It can be done with an ITC-5 or 
through the existing ST-whatever display.


I feel like a little devil on your left shoulder.

Pierre Tremblay

Avalanche #54988

C&C38-3 WK, hull #76

*De :*Bill Coleman 
*À :* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Envoyé le :* jeudi 20 février 2014 16h59
*Objet :* Re: Stus-List Marine Systems

Well, Damn you, Jean, or Francois,

You just cost me a couple hours and no doubt more later, as I sit here 
slack-jawed watching YouTube videos of what this is capable of!  This 
looks like watching the Americas Cup on this little screen! I can't 
believe the changing laylines.  I downloaded the manual, this is mind 
boggling.


I really don't want to Replace my Raymarine CRC80 . .  .this would 
also probably require new Wind/Speed/Depth and Replacing the Raymarine 
autopilot because of that annoying sea-talk.


Knees getting weak . . .

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Jean-Francois J Rivard

*Sent:* Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:03 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Stus-List Marine Systems

Don't mean to beat a dead horse.. but.

Here's why I spent $900.00 on a B&G Zeus Touch.  Rugged  / Clear 
Screen in the sun / Waterproof /  No-Nonsense functionality / 
integration.


It's so much more than just a GPS nav..

No-Nonsense functionality:  Has both touch and real buttons that you 
can use intuitively in the heat of the battle / wearing gloves


Sailing functionality.   (Sail Magazine 2013 #1 innovation award 
winner: Sail Steer) ETA / Waypoints / Tack Laylines automatically 
optimized via knowledge of currents / tides / windshifts  / GPS 
position / SOG / COG / VMG . .Etc.


All the normal sailing gauges / Drive your Autopilot optimized via the 
aforementioned (Sail Steer)


Cool Integration, single interface to view and control from the helm 
or anywhere on the boat via an Ipad / Android device on Wifi of the 
following:


- Full Audio control -->  Control Ipod / Android music lists, Pendora, 
Independent volume for speaker zones (Cockpit / Salon / Sub ) (Fusion 
makes an  NMEA 2000 Compliant  Ipod / iphone interface  / speaker 
package (260.00 bucks or so) and a full featured Bluetooth / DVD / CD 
/ AM-FM / USB NMEA compliant Head unit  (About 500.00)

- Radar
- Engine / Fluid levels monitoring
- Sonar
- AIS
- All Sailing gauges VMG / Combined actual / apparent wind / 
close-hauled / etc. etc.

- Chartplotter  / GPS mapping


Network Integration:

- NMEA 0183 output built-in to integrate with my Autupilot / VHF
- All my new transducers / windvanes / sensors are NMEA 2000 compliant 
and on the backbone + There's a standard ethernet network output for 
cheap wifi capabilities.
- No proprietary networking to fool with or adapter interfaces needed. 
 Any NMEA 2000  compliant module / display / Ipad / Android app that 
get hook on the Wifi / ethenet  can benefit from SOG / windspeed / 
wind direction / COG / GPS coordinates, etc etc


Software is upgradable via standard sim card / works with upgraded 
Navionics chats


All of this is plug and play on a rugged / waterproof device.

In the big scheme of things and all the money we spend on these boats 
900.00 for this much integration and easy to use functionality is 
money well spent.


-Francois Rivard
1990 C&C 34+ Take Five
Lake Lanier, GA


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Re: Stus-List Marine Systems

[Pierre Tremblay]

Bill,

I have a Zeus Touch 8 and one Triton since last summer. Love it.

My wind and speed data comes from a 1988 B&G Hornet 4 (even older that 
Network). I had to install a Hornet-to-NMEA module from Tinley to get the data 
in NMEA0183 format, than a AT10 for N2K. The data is only updated once per 
second, but is of good quality.

I kept the Zeus 0183 port for my SH GX2150 AIS data.

B&G Network 0183 can go direct in the Zeus 0183 port, or with only a 0183 V1.5 
to V3 converter.

Pierre Tremblay
Avalanche #54988
C&C38-3 WK, hull #76
 


 De : Bill Coleman 
À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Envoyé le : jeudi 20 février 2014 19h13
Objet : Re: Stus-List Marine Systems
  


My wind/speed/depth are old network B&G, 0183, not seatalk. 
The otto is seatalk. 
But I would also have to have that StructureScan transducer so I
could see perfect images of the bottom. 
This video 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlO6naQL0m0 
seems to explain a little of what I was wondering about this
morning.  It looks like Lowrance owns this technology? , at least that is all
that comes up when I search for it.   The Lowrance display in the video is like
a TiVo, you can bring back the images that you just went over and mark them.   
Amazing. 
I’ll bet you could find your winch handles with this technology. 
BTW, who has the Zeus, Pierre, Jean, or Francois? 
  
Bill Coleman 
C&C 39  
  
From:CnC-List
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pierre Tremblay
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Systems   
  
Bill, I don't think you would
need to replace wind/depth/speed sensor. Seatalk can be easily bridge to
NMEA2000. After all, those are simple N2K message, not quite like autopilot. It
can be done with an ITC-5 or through the existing ST-whatever display.  
   
I feel like a little devil on
your left shoulder.  
   
Pierre Tremblay  
Avalanche #54988  
C&C38-3 WK, hull #76  
De :Bill
Coleman 
À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Envoyé le : jeudi 20 février 2014 16h59
Objet : Re: Stus-List Marine Systems  
  
Well, Damn you, Jean, or
Francois,  
You just cost me a couple
hours and no doubt more later, as I sit here slack-jawed watching YouTube
videos of what this is capable of!  This looks like watching the Americas
Cup on this little screen! I can’t believe the changing laylines.  I
downloaded the manual, this is mind boggling.  
I really don’t want to Replace
my Raymarine CRC80 . .  .this would also probably require new
Wind/Speed/Depth and Replacing the Raymarine autopilot because of that annoying
sea-talk.    
   
Knees getting weak . . .  
   
Bill Coleman  
C&C 39
   
From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois
J Rivard
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Marine Systems
   
Don't mean to beat a dead
horse.. but.  

Here's why I spent $900.00 on a B&G Zeus Touch.  Rugged
 / Clear Screen in the sun / Waterproof /  No-Nonsense functionality
/ integration. 

It’s so much more than just a GPS nav.. 

No-Nonsense functionality:  Has both touch and real buttons
that you can use intuitively in the heat of the battle / wearing gloves

Sailing functionality.   (Sail Magazine 2013 #1 innovation
award winner: Sail Steer) ETA / Waypoints / Tack Laylines automatically
optimized via knowledge of currents / tides / windshifts  / GPS position /
SOG / COG / VMG . .Etc. 

All the normal sailing gauges / Drive your Autopilot optimized via
the aforementioned (Sail Steer)

Cool Integration, single interface to view and control from the
helm or anywhere on the boat via an Ipad / Android device on Wifi of the
following: 

- Full Audio control -->  Control Ipod / Android music
lists, Pendora, Independent volume for speaker zones (Cockpit / Salon / Sub )
(Fusion makes an  NMEA 2000 Compliant  Ipod / iphone interface  /
speaker package (260.00 bucks or so) and a full featured Bluetooth / DVD / CD /
AM-FM / USB NMEA compliant Head unit  (About 500.00)
- Radar 
- Engine / Fluid levels monitoring
- Sonar
- AIS
- All Sailing gauges VMG / Combined actual / apparent wind /
close-hauled / etc. etc. 
- Chartplotter  / GPS mapping  

Network Integration:

- NMEA 0183 output built-in to integrate with my Autupilot / VHF
- All my new transducers / windvanes / sensors are NMEA 2000 compliant
and on the backbone + There's a standard ethernet network output for cheap wifi
capabilities.  
- No proprietary networking to fool with or adapter interfaces
needed.  Any NMEA 2000  compliant module / display / Ipad / Android
app that get hook on the Wifi / ethenet  can benefit from SOG / windspeed
/ wind direction / COG / GPS coordinates, etc etc  
Software is upgradable via
standard sim card / works with upgraded Navionics chats  
All of this is plug and play
on a rugged / waterproof device.   
In the big scheme of things
and all the money we spend on these boats 900.00 for this much integration and

Re: Stus-List Marine Systems

[Bill Coleman]

Yeow, yes, I just looked at the StructureScan, like putting a Brick on the
bottom of your boat!

They will reduce it to a half inch in a couple years.  I have faith.

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Baker
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Systems

 

A word of caution about the Lowrance HD transducers, I tried one and they
basically do not work shooting through the hull.  You have to either transom
mount, or drill a hole in the boat.  The are also an odd shape and do not
fit any standard through-hull fitting.  I ended up returning the unit.
Cheers,
Paul

On 14-02-20 04:13 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:

My wind/speed/depth are old network B&G, 0183, not seatalk.  The otto is
seatalk.

But I would also have to have that StructureScan transducer so I could see
perfect images of the bottom.

This video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlO6naQL0m0

seems to explain a little of what I was wondering about this morning.  It
looks like Lowrance owns this technology? , at least that is all that comes
up when I search for it.   The Lowrance display in the video is like a TiVo,
you can bring back the images that you just went over and mark them.
Amazing.  I’ll bet you could find your winch handles with this technology.

BTW, who has the Zeus, Pierre, Jean, or Francois?

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pierre
Tremblay
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Systems

 

Bill, I don't think you would need to replace wind/depth/speed sensor.
Seatalk can be easily bridge to NMEA2000. After all, those are simple N2K
message, not quite like autopilot. It can be done with an ITC-5 or through
the existing ST-whatever display.

 

I feel like a little devil on your left shoulder.

 

Pierre Tremblay

Avalanche #54988

C&C38-3 WK, hull #76

De : Bill Coleman   
À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Envoyé le : jeudi 20 février 2014 16h59
Objet : Re: Stus-List Marine Systems

 

Well, Damn you, Jean, or Francois,

You just cost me a couple hours and no doubt more later, as I sit here
slack-jawed watching YouTube videos of what this is capable of!  This looks
like watching the Americas Cup on this little screen! I can’t believe the
changing laylines.  I downloaded the manual, this is mind boggling.

I really don’t want to Replace my Raymarine CRC80 . .  .this would also
probably require new Wind/Speed/Depth and Replacing the Raymarine autopilot
because of that annoying sea-talk.  

 

Knees getting weak . . .

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Jean-Francois J Rivard
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Marine Systems

 

Don't mean to beat a dead horse.. but.  

Here's why I spent $900.00 on a B&G Zeus Touch.  Rugged  / Clear Screen in
the sun / Waterproof /  No-Nonsense functionality / integration. 

It’s so much more than just a GPS nav.. 

No-Nonsense functionality:  Has both touch and real buttons that you can use
intuitively in the heat of the battle / wearing gloves

Sailing functionality.   (Sail Magazine 2013 #1 innovation award winner:
Sail Steer) ETA / Waypoints / Tack Laylines automatically optimized via
knowledge of currents / tides / windshifts  / GPS position / SOG / COG / VMG
. .Etc. 

All the normal sailing gauges / Drive your Autopilot optimized via the
aforementioned (Sail Steer)

Cool Integration, single interface to view and control from the helm or
anywhere on the boat via an Ipad / Android device on Wifi of the following: 

- Full Audio control -->  Control Ipod / Android music lists, Pendora,
Independent volume for speaker zones (Cockpit / Salon / Sub ) (Fusion makes
an  NMEA 2000 Compliant  Ipod / iphone interface  / speaker package (260.00
bucks or so) and a full featured Bluetooth / DVD / CD / AM-FM / USB NMEA
compliant Head unit  (About 500.00)
- Radar 
- Engine / Fluid levels monitoring
- Sonar
- AIS
- All Sailing gauges VMG / Combined actual / apparent wind / close-hauled /
etc. etc. 
- Chartplotter  / GPS mapping 


Network Integration:

- NMEA 0183 output built-in to integrate with my Autupilot / VHF
- All my new transducers / windvanes / sensors are NMEA 2000 compliant and
on the backbone + There's a standard ethernet network output for cheap wifi
capabilities.  
- No proprietary networking to fool with or adapter interfaces needed.  Any
NMEA 2000  compliant module / display / Ipad / Android app that get hook on
the Wifi / ethenet  can benefit from SOG / windspeed / wind direction / COG
/ GPS coordinates, etc etc

Software is upgradable via standard sim card / works with upgraded Navionics
chats 

All of this is plug and play on a rugged / waterproof device. 

In the big scheme of things and all the money we spend on these boats 90

Stus-List Subject: swim ladder for 38 landfall

[Daniel Sheer]

I'll send a pic and measurements soon as I get down to the boat, prolly Sunday. 
If Wally doesn't beat me to it.

Dan

Pegathy LF38
Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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Stus-List Landfall 38 propane locker question

[Daniel Sheer]

I replaced my two 5 lb tanks last year with steel. Didn't seem worth the 
expense to do anything else, and I don't use much propane here in Baltimore. 
Don't even have a heater. Worse comes to worst, firing up the diesel heats the 
cabin up pretty quick.  AC is what I need. And fans. In any case, I'll measure 
the locker on Sunday along with the stern ladder.

Dan

Pegathy LF38
Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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Re: Stus-List Marine systems

[Rick Brass]

Michael;

 

FWIW, I have a Garmin 541 at my helm – not the latest technology by any means. 
It automatically changes to Garmin’s night mode at local twilight. I have not 
noticed any reduction of night vision when sailing at night, and in fact have 
wished I could keep it in the brighter day mode longer so it would be easier to 
see when it is not yet fully dark.

 

I’ve had experience with Garmin, Magellan, and Lowrance handheld GPSs and 
plotters over the last 20 years or so, but only once with a Raymarine plotter 
on a boat I was helping to move. I’ve been thinking about upgrading to Garmin 
G2 Vision chart data before I leave for extensive cruising. The basic Bluechart 
G2 data that comes on the plotter is what you would see on a NOAA chart, and I 
really don’t see there is significantly more data on G2 Vision. But there are a 
couple of things that intrigue me.

 

One is the ability to see a 3D perspective view of the depth information. So 
instead of seeing the depth data on a 2D chart, you see the underwater contours 
as hills and valleys ahead of you. Not a forward looking sonar image; but a 
translation of the bottom data to a 3D view – sort of like looking at a Google 
Earth picture of a mountain seen from an angle.

 

The other feature is something I know has been available on some Garmin 
automotive GPSs for a while, and is derived from the routing software used for 
commercial vehicles. If you have a GPS intended for installation in an over the 
road truck or a bus or motor home, you put in data about the rig and the 
routing software will set your route to avoid low bridges, narrow roads, 
pavement not suited for the weight, turns that are too sharp, and so on. Garmin 
has applied this to my marine plotter using the G2 Vision data.

 

I can put in draft and air draft data about the boat. When I select a set of 
waypoints for a route, the software will bend the course line around land and 
underwater areas too shallow for the boat, and keep you from going under 
overhead obstructions like bridges and powerlines that are too low for the 
boat. When steering towards a waypoint, I understand it also adjusts your 
recommended heading to compensate for cross currents, taking the boat speed 
into account. I think that could be a really cool tool to have.

 

Has anyone had experience with this sort of functionality on a Garmin or 
Raymarine plotter? It looks like it would be about an $150 upgrade to the 
Bluechart data I already have. Is the additional ability worth the extra money?

 

Rick Brass

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael Brown
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:18 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine systems

 


I was also interested in the night mode. From my experience mounting a 
chartplotter at the helm
and using it at night quickly affects my night vision. Even with the screen 
switch to black / white
or black / red ( full color at night is not very useful ) with the night 
reverse mode on ( background
dark ) looking at it for a few moments causes a very noticeable reduction in 
night vision.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1




Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:18:32 -0500 
From: "Marek Dziedzic"  
To:  
Subject: Stus-List  Marine systems 
Message-ID:  
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Steve, 

I think that the big issue is that the dedicated device is a much better 
controlled environment. For recreational boaters, this may not matter that 
much, but if you are a commercial boat skipper, you may want to have confidence 
that this particular instrument won?t go suddenly into a BSOD only because you 
installed an app for watching movies or playing music. So it is a question of 
controlling the environment well. 

>From what I have seen, I don?t think Garmin and al develop their own OSs. More 
>than likely they get commercially developed OSs (like the Blackberry?s QNX) 
>and modify it slightly (or more than slightly) to fit their needs. 

Having said all of the above, I fully agree with you. 

Marek 

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Re: Stus-List Navigation Devices

[Rick Brass]

Rob, 

 

Re: Hitting a buoy at 6.5 knots in the fog

 

See COLREGS rule 6. 

 

I think of it as the marine equivalent of the "Basic Speed Limit" in effect
for cars in the US - "to be able to stop in the assured clear distance
ahead"

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Abbott
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Navigation Devices

 


Some years back on a friend's C&C 34R with no chartplotter or radar, we were
motoring home after a race was called for lack of wind, in the fog, and dam
near ran into a navigational bouy .  It could have been really ugly hitting
that immovable object at 6.5 knots.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



 




On 2014/02/20 8:23 AM, Rich Knowles wrote:

I have had SH chart plotters ever since the first monochrome unit hit the
market. I consider them to be excellent value for the $$.  I generally put
them up for sale before they die and buy the latest model. Mine is installed
along with my 23 year old Furuno radar in a small piece of cabinetry I built
inside the aft cabin. I can see them from the helm and the numerical SOG,
COG, BTW and DTW is repeated at a now obsolete Raymarine Raydata instrument
on the binnacle. Works fine for me. 

 

I don't like using laptops on board for navigation as they use way more
power than dedicated purpose built chart plotters and, while I have an iPad
and similar devices, the reliability and availability of 12v installed gear
makes that the gear of choice for me.

 

I do work part time for The Binnacle and the Boat Show is on this week. Good
pricing on all our electronics. Check the web. 

 

Damn. I'm shameless!!


Rich Knowles

INDIGO LF38

Halifax NS

Land of the Interminable Winter. 


On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:37, "Roger Ware"  wrote:

Rich, I bought one of these at that price, and it is waiting for
installation in the Spring. I had one before, they are excellent units. And
BTW - they have preinstalled chart data, so gone is the era when you have to
get ripped off buying a $300 chart chip as well as the GPS.  Don't get me
wrong, I love the iPad, but it doesn't do everything.

 

Roger, Kingston

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Knowles
Sent: February-19-14 11:57 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Navigation Software

 

A Standard Horizon CP190i is available for less than $400, is waterproof and
very reliable. See binnacle.com. 

Rich

 

 

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