Re: Stus-List Yanmar push button died

[Nauset Beach via CnC-List]

Nate

Had the same issue last week on my Yanmar 3GM30F with a B Type engine panel.
Was getting near complete voltage drop across the 2 terminals of the key
switch when the key was turned on and nothing from the button.  Turned out
to be the wiring harness plug at the back of the panel.  Most of the wires
were corroded inside the plug though all looked well from the outside.  The
plug was cut out and the wires connected directly.  Works like a charm.  

So as Dave said, check all your wiring in the start circuit before you start
throwing $$$ at it replacing parts.  

Brian

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Godwin via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:16 PM
To: Nate Flesness; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar push button died

Nate, it may not be the switch. I have an original in perfect working
condition if catch my drift...

Check your battery ground/cabling/connections. Let me know if it is the
switch and if so, you can have it.

Dave
1982 C&C 37 -Ronin

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 16, 2014, at 19:55, Nate Flesness via CnC-List
 wrote:
> 
> I have a 2QM15 yanmar - after a few intermittents, my engine start button
has failed completely. Someone knew what Cole-Hersee switch can replace it -
anyone remember, or have another suggestion?
> 
> Nate
> Sarah Jean
> 1980 30-1
> Siskiwit Bay Marina
> Lake Superior
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar push button died

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I may have a related problem - and would like help to diagnose the cause before 
it becomes a significant issue. 

>From time to time - not sure if it is getting more frequent - with the key 
>turned, battery on and fully charged - I get nothing - not even a clunk - when 
>I press the button. I press it a second time and 99% of the time the engine 
>fires right up.  

Have any listers experienced the same - and help me identify the problem so I 
can fix it before I get to the stage where I can't start the engine at all. 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:29, Nauset Beach via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Nate
> 
> Had the same issue last week on my Yanmar 3GM30F with a B Type engine panel.
> Was getting near complete voltage drop across the 2 terminals of the key
> switch when the key was turned on and nothing from the button.  Turned out
> to be the wiring harness plug at the back of the panel.  Most of the wires
> were corroded inside the plug though all looked well from the outside.  The
> plug was cut out and the wires connected directly.  Works like a charm.  
> 
> So as Dave said, check all your wiring in the start circuit before you start
> throwing $$$ at it replacing parts.  
> 
> Brian
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Godwin via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:16 PM
> To: Nate Flesness; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar push button died
> 
> Nate, it may not be the switch. I have an original in perfect working
> condition if catch my drift...
> 
> Check your battery ground/cabling/connections. Let me know if it is the
> switch and if so, you can have it.
> 
> Dave
> 1982 C&C 37 -Ronin
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2014, at 19:55, Nate Flesness via CnC-List
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a 2QM15 yanmar - after a few intermittents, my engine start button
> has failed completely. Someone knew what Cole-Hersee switch can replace it -
> anyone remember, or have another suggestion?
>> 
>> Nate
>> Sarah Jean
>> 1980 30-1
>> Siskiwit Bay Marina
>> Lake Superior
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar push button died

[dwight via CnC-List]

Had that same sort of intermittent problem with my Universal M4-30 a couple
of years back...solved with no recurrences after I changed out the starter
push button and redid the fuse connections (2@30 amp) and cleaned all the
wire connections at the panel...the fuses I believe most likely caused the
problem but I did all the work at the same time when I had the panel removed
so I can't say that with certainty, but on removing the little glass 30 amp
fuses the metal ends fell right off the glass, so I think the fuse itself
had deteriorated and most likely caused my problems...looked OK to the eye
until I removed it...no tellin how old that fuse was, one was in a fuse
holder with a badly corroded spring and the other was just soldered to the
connecting wires either end, that fell apart when I touched it as one metal
fuse end separated from the glass tube

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
 
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via CnC-List
Sent: September 17, 2014 9:08 AM
To: Nauset Beach; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar push button died

I may have a related problem - and would like help to diagnose the cause
before it becomes a significant issue. 

>From time to time - not sure if it is getting more frequent - with the key
turned, battery on and fully charged - I get nothing - not even a clunk -
when I press the button. I press it a second time and 99% of the time the
engine fires right up.  

Have any listers experienced the same - and help me identify the problem so
I can fix it before I get to the stage where I can't start the engine at
all. 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:29, Nauset Beach via CnC-List
 wrote:
> 
> Nate
> 
> Had the same issue last week on my Yanmar 3GM30F with a B Type engine
panel.
> Was getting near complete voltage drop across the 2 terminals of the key
> switch when the key was turned on and nothing from the button.  Turned out
> to be the wiring harness plug at the back of the panel.  Most of the wires
> were corroded inside the plug though all looked well from the outside.
The
> plug was cut out and the wires connected directly.  Works like a charm.  
> 
> So as Dave said, check all your wiring in the start circuit before you
start
> throwing $$$ at it replacing parts.  
> 
> Brian
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Godwin via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:16 PM
> To: Nate Flesness; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar push button died
> 
> Nate, it may not be the switch. I have an original in perfect working
> condition if catch my drift...
> 
> Check your battery ground/cabling/connections. Let me know if it is the
> switch and if so, you can have it.
> 
> Dave
> 1982 C&C 37 -Ronin
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2014, at 19:55, Nate Flesness via CnC-List
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a 2QM15 yanmar - after a few intermittents, my engine start button
> has failed completely. Someone knew what Cole-Hersee switch can replace it
-
> anyone remember, or have another suggestion?
>> 
>> Nate
>> Sarah Jean
>> 1980 30-1
>> Siskiwit Bay Marina
>> Lake Superior
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar push button died

[Tony Wroblewski via CnC-List]

I have had the same problem on my Yanmar 3gm30 for years. Exactly as you 
describe. Since it would start on the second try all the time it was no 
problem. One time it wouldn't start at all for 10 minutes and caused me to find 
the source.  Tightened the battery cables and no problems for a year.  Starting 
to happen again and will try the cables again.
 
Tony
Triumph C&C 41
Holland, Mi
 
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 08:07:55 -0400
> To: nausetbe...@optonline.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar push button died
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> I may have a related problem - and would like help to diagnose the cause 
> before it becomes a significant issue. 
> 
> From time to time - not sure if it is getting more frequent - with the key 
> turned, battery on and fully charged - I get nothing - not even a clunk - 
> when I press the button. I press it a second time and 99% of the time the 
> engine fires right up.  
> 
> Have any listers experienced the same - and help me identify the problem so I 
> can fix it before I get to the stage where I can't start the engine at all. 
> 
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
> 
> > On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:29, Nauset Beach via CnC-List  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Nate
> > 
> > Had the same issue last week on my Yanmar 3GM30F with a B Type engine panel.
> > Was getting near complete voltage drop across the 2 terminals of the key
> > switch when the key was turned on and nothing from the button.  Turned out
> > to be the wiring harness plug at the back of the panel.  Most of the wires
> > were corroded inside the plug though all looked well from the outside.  The
> > plug was cut out and the wires connected directly.  Works like a charm.  
> > 
> > So as Dave said, check all your wiring in the start circuit before you start
> > throwing $$$ at it replacing parts.  
> > 
> > Brian
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> > Godwin via CnC-List
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:16 PM
> > To: Nate Flesness; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar push button died
> > 
> > Nate, it may not be the switch. I have an original in perfect working
> > condition if catch my drift...
> > 
> > Check your battery ground/cabling/connections. Let me know if it is the
> > switch and if so, you can have it.
> > 
> > Dave
> > 1982 C&C 37 -Ronin
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >>> On Sep 16, 2014, at 19:55, Nate Flesness via CnC-List
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I have a 2QM15 yanmar - after a few intermittents, my engine start button
> > has failed completely. Someone knew what Cole-Hersee switch can replace it -
> > anyone remember, or have another suggestion?
> >> 
> >> Nate
> >> Sarah Jean
> >> 1980 30-1
> >> Siskiwit Bay Marina
> >> Lake Superior
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Unless there is such a thing as a centerboard 37, the 6'7" draft is a killer 
for many cruising areas.
Other than that the 37 is very nice :)

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:49 PM
To: Berry Fox; C&C List
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38


My opinion is that the 37+ is a better choice...that's why I bought one.  The 
LF38 usually rates ~140 and the 37+ is ~75.  The trouble with low ratings is 
that you have to be a good enough sailor to sail to them.  Every second counts 
and every mistake can cost you the race.  I had my ass handed to me in a 
friendly race by a Pearson 32.  They rated 168.  It was mostly a down wind run 
and they chose a less down wind angle.  I doesn't hurt that they have a kevlar 
sail and hard bottom paint polished to 1000 grit.

As for pointing the 37+ can point very high and even power through a pinch.  It 
is easy to accidentally pinch up because the boat doesn't realy talk back very 
much.

The C&C 30, the C&C 34+, the C&C 36+ and the C&C 37+ are all very similar 
layout and design.  The C&C 40 seems to be the predecessor to the 37+ and the 
C&C 121 is the successor.

Good luck,
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Sep 16, 2014 9:41 PM, "Berry Fox via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi, I'm seriously considering a LF38.  I'm looking for a performance cruiser 
but also want to race.  The LF38 looks like a great choice but I'm wondering 
about how it sails. I read through the archives and see that several of you 
racecan you give me any insights into how your boats perform?  What do they 
rate in your area and how do they sail to the rating?  How well do they point?  
Any other insights are appreciated.  Thanks in advance,

Dan

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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

To the original question: I’ve owned my LF38 for about ten years now, and while 
I don’t race (officially…), I’ve been very happy with the sailing abilities of 
my boat.  She points very well, even with old sails, and can be a very 
comfortable, fast boat even when the sea conditions deteriorate.  And the 
4’-11” draft, while probably not a performance enhancer, has come in handy at 
times in my cruising.  If I ever decide to take the boat out of the Great Lakes 
and down to warmer climes, I can see the draft being a definite plus in, say, 
the Bahamas.

And the layout and general amenities have worked well for me and my family.  I 
love having a large head near the companionway, as opposed to up by the 
V-berth; and the galley is great.

So if you’re looking for at least part-time cruising, the LF38 is a good 
choice.  I’ll let someone else who has raced theirs to chime in on that; 
suffice it to say that my boat can hold her own even in “unofficial” races with 
larger boats (we easily kept up with a Mason 43 ketch flying all sails several 
years back, and have had similar experiences with many other boats).

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> Unless there is such a thing as a centerboard 37, the 6’7” draft is a killer 
> for many cruising areas.
> Other than that the 37 is very nice J
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> C&C 35 MK I
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
> Muckley via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:49 PM
> To: Berry Fox; C&C List
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38
>  
> My opinion is that the 37+ is a better choice...that's why I bought one.  The 
> LF38 usually rates ~140 and the 37+ is ~75.  The trouble with low ratings is 
> that you have to be a good enough sailor to sail to them.  Every second 
> counts and every mistake can cost you the race.  I had my ass handed to me in 
> a friendly race by a Pearson 32.  They rated 168.  It was mostly a down wind 
> run and they chose a less down wind angle.  I doesn't hurt that they have a 
> kevlar sail and hard bottom paint polished to 1000 grit.
> 
> As for pointing the 37+ can point very high and even power through a pinch.  
> It is easy to accidentally pinch up because the boat doesn't realy talk back 
> very much.
> 
> The C&C 30, the C&C 34+, the C&C 36+ and the C&C 37+ are all very similar 
> layout and design.  The C&C 40 seems to be the predecessor to the 37+ and the 
> C&C 121 is the successor.
> 
> Good luck,
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Sep 16, 2014 9:41 PM, "Berry Fox via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> Hi, I'm seriously considering a LF38.  I'm looking for a performance cruiser 
> but also want to race.  The LF38 looks like a great choice but I'm wondering 
> about how it sails. I read through the archives and see that several of you 
> racecan you give me any insights into how your boats perform?  What do 
> they rate in your area and how do they sail to the rating?  How well do they 
> point?  Any other insights are appreciated.  Thanks in advance,
> 
> Dan
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Stus-List 31 foot C/C corvette 1970 sailboat - $4500 (Annapolis)

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Saw this on Craigslist:

http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/4672167826.html
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301 541 8551
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Stus-List Atomic 4 4 sale

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

and this:

http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/4672156453.html
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

You may also want to take a look at the fleets in your area and see who you 
will be racing against.
If the LF38 you are interested in PHRFs in around 165 for white sail that could 
put you into a
varied fleet, possibly a lot of lighter 30 - 32' that will leave you in the 
dust around the cans.

You didn't mention if you intend to fly spinnaker. For many of the larger boats 
they will be in the
spinnaker fleet for the long distance races, and bowsprits with asymmetrical is 
common.

When the boats in the fleet are similar in displacement, sail area to 
displacement and basic
design then sailing to your PHRF number is a big question. Unfortunately now it 
is a bigger
question if you are heading out on a 14,000 lb boat with a big symmetrical and 
racing a
J/80 or such what is the wind speed.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1




Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:41:01 -0400 
From: Berry Fox  
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
Subject: Stus-List Landfall 38 
Message-ID: <40ace8ee-6bd3-4fd3-88b5-e25a60658...@cox.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain;     charset=us-ascii 
 
Hi, I'm seriously considering a LF38.  I'm looking for a performance cruiser 
but also want to race.  The LF38 looks like a great choice but I'm wondering 
about how it sails. I read through the archives and see that several of you 
racecan you give me any insights into how your boats perform?  What do they 
rate in your area and how do they sail to the rating?  How well do they point?  
Any other insights are appreciated.  Thanks in advance, 
 
Dan 
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Stus-List Viking 33 for sale...

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hello all, Well it is with mixed emotions that I've put Lolita up for sale.  
she is listed on CL and SailboatListings I'd add the link but I don't want to 
break any rules. I'm kinda sad about it...  I've really grown quite attached to 
her.  We been through a lot together over the last few years and what a fun 
boat to sail!!! We just really need a little more on the creature comforts and 
I'm a bit too tall for her accommodations. Anyway, let me know if you have any 
leads.  I think this boat is a bargain, especially with all the new systems... 
We're still researching options for our next boat and always open to 
suggestions.  A trade with someone looking to downsize is always an option as 
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Stus-List Landfall 38

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I cruise and race a 34+ (AKA 34/36, 36XL, 34/36 XL)

 Due to it's relatively new design, it's very roomy for it's size: King
 size berth in the aft stateroom, + normal person sized twin bed in the
 salon + normal person sized v_berth + separate shower stall.  And so far,
 it's a killer around the cans.   We have raced it a few times and when we
 have our act together we leave the cruiser fleet behind and make the sport
 boats guys wonder what happened...

 As an additional point, 2 races into it the lake PHRF committee was at my
 dock double checking my measurements to make sure I wasn't cheating :-)

 No cheating, I did install a 2 bladed Martec folder and my bottom was
 stripped down / painted with 3 coats of Trinidad Pro / wet sanded with 320
 grit paper / burnished with a bronze wool fitted to a high speed buffer.
 My sails are original "Cast Iron Heavy" Haarstick Dacron from 1990 but
 they have not been used much have a good shape according to the loft.
 They are not fancy plastic sails like most of my competitors use.

 Compared to the LF 38, The 34+ has a longer waterline, is about 4000 lbs
 lighter, and has a bigger sail area..  Being high power / relatively low
 weight it's more work to sail and a bit tender but it's a hoot to sail.

 If you want comfy / less work / less fiddling with multiple adjustment the
 LF makes sense.  If you want a surprisingly comfortable racer / cruiser
 the 34+ series are hard to beat,  being pretty light it's great in light
 air and "almost sport boat" maneuverable.

 Tomatoes / Tomahtoes  :-)

 Good Luck.

 Best regards,

 -Francois
 1990 34+  "Take Five"
 Lake Lanier, Georgia





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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 4 sale

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Purrs like a kitten!

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:36 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Atomic 4 4 sale

 

and this:




http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/4672156453.html

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Re: Stus-List Viking 33 for sale...

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Rules, we have rules?

Best of luck!

Joel

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Well it is with mixed emotions that I've put Lolita up for sale.  she is
> listed on CL and SailboatListings
>
> I'd add the link but I don't want to break any rules.
>
> I'm kinda sad about it...  I've really grown quite attached to her.  We
> been through a lot together over the last few years and what a fun boat to
> sail!!!
>
> We just really need a little more on the creature comforts and I'm a bit
> too tall for her accommodations.
>
> Anyway, let me know if you have any leads.  I think this boat is a
> bargain, especially with all the new systems...
>
> We're still researching options for our next boat and always open to
> suggestions.  A trade with someone looking to downsize is always an option
> as well!
>
> Danny
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Re: Stus-List Viking 33 for sale...

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

This one?
http://southcoast.craigslist.org/boa/4669049050.html

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Joel Aronson 
wrote:

> Rules, we have rules?
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Joel
>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Well it is with mixed emotions that I've put Lolita up for sale.  she is
>> listed on CL and SailboatListings
>>
>> I'd add the link but I don't want to break any rules.
>>
>> I'm kinda sad about it...  I've really grown quite attached to her.  We
>> been through a lot together over the last few years and what a fun boat to
>> sail!!!
>>
>> We just really need a little more on the creature comforts and I'm a bit
>> too tall for her accommodations.
>>
>> Anyway, let me know if you have any leads.  I think this boat is a
>> bargain, especially with all the new systems...
>>
>> We're still researching options for our next boat and always open to
>> suggestions.  A trade with someone looking to downsize is always an option
>> as well!
>>
>> Danny
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Stus-List Yanmar push button died

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Jonathan:

I had a similar problem which turned out to be the starter solenoid.  They are 
sealed units--so, no repair is possible.  I replaced the starter and solenoid 
before I realized that I had a spare solenoid on board in my spares kit.  If 
you want to buy it from me, let me know--they are no longer manufactured by 
Yanmar.

Bob

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1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
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Re: Stus-List Viking 33 for sale...

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Very nice boat! What a list. Someone is going to get a good deal.
Good luck with the sale and finding a bigger boat.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This one?
> http://southcoast.craigslist.org/boa/4669049050.html
>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Joel Aronson 
> wrote:
>
>> Rules, we have rules?
>>
>> Best of luck!
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Well it is with mixed emotions that I've put Lolita up for sale.  she is
>>> listed on CL and SailboatListings
>>>
>>> I'd add the link but I don't want to break any rules.
>>>
>>> I'm kinda sad about it...  I've really grown quite attached to her.  We
>>> been through a lot together over the last few years and what a fun boat to
>>> sail!!!
>>>
>>> We just really need a little more on the creature comforts and I'm a bit
>>> too tall for her accommodations.
>>>
>>> Anyway, let me know if you have any leads.  I think this boat is a
>>> bargain, especially with all the new systems...
>>>
>>> We're still researching options for our next boat and always open to
>>> suggestions.  A trade with someone looking to downsize is always an option
>>> as well!
>>>
>>> Danny
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Viking 33 for sale...

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Danny, and all; I did exactly that a couple of years ago...I found a 33-II 
which was the boat of my dreams, until we needed just a little more room, after 
much searching, voila, I'm now a happy 37 owner
with the 33 for sale...I have not regretted it one bit...good luck

Richard
1985 37 CB  Ohio River, Mile 584; 

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
-Original Message-
From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
To: Danny Haughey ; cnc-list 
Sent: Wed, Sep 17, 2014 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Viking 33 for sale...


Rules, we have rules?


Best of luck!


Joel



On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hello all,
 
Well it is with mixed emotions that I've put Lolita up for sale.  she is listed 
on CL and SailboatListings
 
I'd add the link but I don't want to break any rules.
 
I'm kinda sad about it...  I've really grown quite attached to her.  We been 
through a lot together over the last few years and what a fun boat to sail!!!
 
We just really need a little more on the creature comforts and I'm a bit too 
tall for her accommodations.
 
Anyway, let me know if you have any leads.  I think this boat is a bargain, 
especially with all the new systems...
 
We're still researching options for our next boat and always open to 
suggestions.  A trade with someone looking to downsize is always an option as 
well!
 
Danny

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Re: Stus-List Viking 33 for sale...

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Richard! I'm a little leery of being a 2 boat owner.  Mostly because i don't 
want to pay storage for Lolita as it just takes away from what I may or may not 
get from the sale price.  However, currently I have a thought of hauling her to 
my house and finishing the restoration as a project if I don't get too much 
interest here before haul out.  Actually, I'm thinking I should do it if I have 
to store it this winter.  I think the price to haul to my house and back would 
be comparable to storage fees.  Right now all she really needs is a finishing.  
Paint and varnish below and I could chip away at that all winter for the cost 
of the finishes and such.  Trying to do that with the boat 30 miles from the 
house is problematic.  The commute time alone could be all coating time! I 
could also remove the rest of the deck hardware and seal the rest of the 
penetrations, just so i can say I did!.  It may or may not raise the value I 
can ask but, it would sure make her more desirable.  Worst case scenario is we 
have a great little weekender/day sailor for next year!  I wish I was talented 
enough to spray the decks myself I don't really want to roll and tip and I 
don't really want to remove all the hardware and not coat the decks.  After all 
coating is the easy part!   Who knows...another adventure begins I guess...

-- Original Message --
From: "Richard N. Bush via CnC-List" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Viking 33 for sale...
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:55:22 -0400


Danny, and all; I did exactly that a couple of years ago...I found a 33-II 
which was the boat of my dreams, until we needed just a little more room, after 
much searching, voila, I'm now a happy 37 ownerwith the 33 for sale...I have 
not regretted it one bit...good luckRichard1985 37 CB  Ohio River, Mile 584;
 Richard N. Bush
 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
 502-584-7255  -Original Message-
 From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
 To: Danny Haughey ; cnc-list 
 Sent: Wed, Sep 17, 2014 2:35 pm
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Viking 33 for sale...
 
Rules, we have rules? Best of luck! Joel
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Hello all, Well it is with mixed emotions that I've put Lolita up for sale.  
she is listed on CL and SailboatListings I'd add the link but I don't want to 
break any rules. I'm kinda sad about it...  I've really grown quite attached to 
her.  We been through a lot together over the last few years and what a fun 
boat to sail!!! We just really need a little more on the creature comforts and 
I'm a bit too tall for her accommodations. Anyway, let me know if you have any 
leads.  I think this boat is a bargain, especially with all the new systems... 
We're still researching options for our next boat and always open to 
suggestions.  A trade with someone looking to downsize is always an option as 
well! Danny
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

There is a center board version of the 37+.  Edd was just talking a few
weeks ago about glassing his in on Enterprise.

Josh
On Sep 17, 2014 11:41 AM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  Unless there is such a thing as a centerboard 37, the 6'7" draft is a
> killer for many cruising areas.
>
> Other than that the 37 is very nice J
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina*
>
> *C&C 35 MK I*
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:49 PM
> *To:* Berry Fox; C&C List
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Landfall 38
>
>
>
> My opinion is that the 37+ is a better choice...that's why I bought one.
> The LF38 usually rates ~140 and the 37+ is ~75.  The trouble with low
> ratings is that you have to be a good enough sailor to sail to them.  Every
> second counts and every mistake can cost you the race.  I had my ass handed
> to me in a friendly race by a Pearson 32.  They rated 168.  It was mostly a
> down wind run and they chose a less down wind angle.  I doesn't hurt that
> they have a kevlar sail and hard bottom paint polished to 1000 grit.
>
> As for pointing the 37+ can point very high and even power through a
> pinch.  It is easy to accidentally pinch up because the boat doesn't realy
> talk back very much.
>
> The C&C 30, the C&C 34+, the C&C 36+ and the C&C 37+ are all very similar
> layout and design.  The C&C 40 seems to be the predecessor to the 37+ and
> the C&C 121 is the successor.
>
> Good luck,
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Sep 16, 2014 9:41 PM, "Berry Fox via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm seriously considering a LF38.  I'm looking for a performance
> cruiser but also want to race.  The LF38 looks like a great choice but I'm
> wondering about how it sails. I read through the archives and see that
> several of you racecan you give me any insights into how your boats
> perform?  What do they rate in your area and how do they sail to the
> rating?  How well do they point?  Any other insights are appreciated.
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dan
>
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38

[Ebay via CnC-List]

The 37+ had at least 3 standard keel choices - centerboard, deep and shoal 
wing.  As always people customized them so there are variants on the market.  I 
believe the 34+ was the same although I don't recall ever seeing a centerboard 
version.

John


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> On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:40 AM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Unless there is such a thing as a centerboard 37, the 6’7” draft is a killer 
> for many cruising areas.
> Other than that the 37 is very nice J
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> C&C 35 MK I
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
> Muckley via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:49 PM
> To: Berry Fox; C&C List
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38
>  
> My opinion is that the 37+ is a better choice...that's why I bought one.  The 
> LF38 usually rates ~140 and the 37+ is ~75.  The trouble with low ratings is 
> that you have to be a good enough sailor to sail to them.  Every second 
> counts and every mistake can cost you the race.  I had my ass handed to me in 
> a friendly race by a Pearson 32.  They rated 168.  It was mostly a down wind 
> run and they chose a less down wind angle.  I doesn't hurt that they have a 
> kevlar sail and hard bottom paint polished to 1000 grit.
> 
> As for pointing the 37+ can point very high and even power through a pinch.  
> It is easy to accidentally pinch up because the boat doesn't realy talk back 
> very much.
> 
> The C&C 30, the C&C 34+, the C&C 36+ and the C&C 37+ are all very similar 
> layout and design.  The C&C 40 seems to be the predecessor to the 37+ and the 
> C&C 121 is the successor.
> 
> Good luck,
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Sep 16, 2014 9:41 PM, "Berry Fox via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> Hi, I'm seriously considering a LF38.  I'm looking for a performance cruiser 
> but also want to race.  The LF38 looks like a great choice but I'm wondering 
> about how it sails. I read through the archives and see that several of you 
> racecan you give me any insights into how your boats perform?  What do 
> they rate in your area and how do they sail to the rating?  How well do they 
> point?  Any other insights are appreciated.  Thanks in advance,
> 
> Dan
> 
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38

[dwight via CnC-List]

Unless you are a really competitive sailor the LF 38 wins hands down over
most comparable others.it's a great sailboat that offers a lot of everything
about sailing to its owners.forget the more work to sail stuff involved with
other more modern designs and get yourself an easy boat to sail which rates
high on the Dellenbaugh stability curve and which from many reliable owners
accounts on this list sails very well and I agree with them on what they say
from experience.I love sailing my old 1974 C&C 35 MKII for that very reason,
how she rides the water so easy on a mean sea,  I mean, she is also very
slippery but you should try her out first if you can for yourself.the
Landfall 38 is a superb boat, which is a classic to cruise or race.but be
aware that race conditions will not always be kind to her design.I don't
believe that she will do well in light air or short distance races aginst
newer designs

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: September 17, 2014 3:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Landfall 38

 

I cruise and race a 34+ (AKA 34/36, 36XL, 34/36 XL) 

Due to it's relatively new design, it's very roomy for it's size: King size
berth in the aft stateroom, + normal person sized twin bed in the salon +
normal person sized v_berth + separate shower stall.  And so far, it's a
killer around the cans.   We have raced it a few times and when we have our
act together we leave the cruiser fleet behind and make the sport boats guys
wonder what happened...   

As an additional point, 2 races into it the lake PHRF committee was at my
dock double checking my measurements to make sure I wasn't cheating :-)  

No cheating, I did install a 2 bladed Martec folder and my bottom was
stripped down / painted with 3 coats of Trinidad Pro / wet sanded with 320
grit paper / burnished with a bronze wool fitted to a high speed buffer.  My
sails are original "Cast Iron Heavy" Haarstick Dacron from 1990 but they
have not been used much have a good shape according to the loft.  They are
not fancy plastic sails like most of my competitors use. 

Compared to the LF 38, The 34+ has a longer waterline, is about 4000 lbs
lighter, and has a bigger sail area..  Being high power / relatively low
weight it's more work to sail and a bit tender but it's a hoot to sail.  

If you want comfy / less work / less fiddling with multiple adjustment the
LF makes sense.  If you want a surprisingly comfortable racer / cruiser the
34+ series are hard to beat,  being pretty light it's great in light air and
"almost sport boat" maneuverable. 

Tomatoes / Tomahtoes  :-) 

Good Luck. 

Best regards,

-Francois
1990 34+  "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgia







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Re: Stus-List Yanmar push button died

[Edward Levert via CnC-List]

I have found for years that the contact in the push button switch can
become, for lack of technical terms, corroded and will not pass current on
the first push. That push and subsequent ones cleans the contact enough for
current to pass to the solenoid starting the engine. The symptoms appear
after the switch has not been used for a length of time or the switch is
old. Start testing the switch first before you work to the solenoid.
Switches are relatively inexpensive.

Ed
C&C 34 Briar Patch
New Orleans

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Jonathan:
>
> I had a similar problem which turned out to be the starter solenoid.  They
> are sealed units--so, no repair is possible.  I replaced the starter and
> solenoid before I realized that I had a spare solenoid on board in my
> spares kit.  If you want to buy it from me, let me know--they are no longer
> manufactured by Yanmar.
>
> Bob
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> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
> 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38

[Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List]

I have heretofore been a quietly appreciative reader of the posts here at
the list but I feel compelled to post to this subject. We own a 37+
Centerboard and we LOVE it!

We also were looking for something we could do some coastal cruising in
but, we have been avid Sunday racers in a Pearson 30 and then a Tartan 30
for the past 22 years. We didn't want to give up racing or any chance of
winning for the potential of getting a few cruises in each year with the
kids. After about a year of research and looking at boats, we narrowed our
search down to 2 boats: the Sabre 402 and the C&C 37+. With their interior
layouts very similar, the C&C was our choice due to ease of handling. My
husband has single handed it successfully in Sunday races on numerous
occasions. Here our main competition on Sundays is an e33, an Olson25, an
S2 7.9 and sometimes the U20s. Most are considerably smaller, much lighter
boats. If we have any wind at all we have no trouble keeping up and, with
8-12 kts, we can usually come from our last-to-start position and catch
them all in the 5 miles of the standard club race. No fancy sails or
equipment needed. It has been a fun boat to race and it is a dream to
cruise, even with teenagers aboard!

Here on the Gulf Coast and, in particular, Mobile Bay, depth is always an
issue and with our 4'11" up to 7' draft we have no problems. Although there
is potential for problems with the centerboard due to its configuration (we
- my 16 year old daughter - dropped it accidentally once from full up and
broke the cable AND tore/pushed out the lead on the keel housing), a little
diligence, ie keeping the centerboard line tied on the cleat until you
actually mean to let it out, has kept disaster at bay.

A lot of the 37+ boats have the wing keel configuration. This draws 5'11".

I highly recommend the 37+, which is a 39'6" OAL boat, over the LF38 for
racing. It was designed for it! For cruising they have similar attributes.
Check them both out and see what you think.


Tracy Hirsh

SV Ogopogo  1989 37+ (37/40) CB

Fairhope AL




On Sep 17, 2014 1:19 PM, "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>I cruise and race a 34+ (AKA 34/36, 36XL, 34/36 XL)
>
>Due to it's relatively new design, it's very roomy for it's size: King
>size berth in the aft stateroom, + normal person sized twin bed in the
>salon + normal person sized v_berth + separate shower stall.  And so far,
>it's a killer around the cans.   We have raced it a few times and when we
>have our act together we leave the cruiser fleet behind and make the sport
>boats guys wonder what happened...
>
>As an additional point, 2 races into it the lake PHRF committee was at
>my dock double checking my measurements to make sure I wasn't cheating :-)
>
>No cheating, I did install a 2 bladed Martec folder and my bottom was
>stripped down / painted with 3 coats of Trinidad Pro / wet sanded with 320
>grit paper / burnished with a bronze wool fitted to a high speed buffer.
> My sails are original "Cast Iron Heavy" Haarstick Dacron from 1990 but
>they have not been used much have a good shape according to the loft.  They
>are not fancy plastic sails like most of my competitors use.
>
>Compared to the LF 38, The 34+ has a longer waterline, is about 4000
>lbs lighter, and has a bigger sail area..  Being high power / relatively
>low weight it's more work to sail and a bit tender but it's a hoot to sail.
>
>
>If you want comfy / less work / less fiddling with multiple adjustment
>the LF makes sense.  If you want a surprisingly comfortable racer / cruiser
>the 34+ series are hard to beat,  being pretty light it's great in light
>air and "almost sport boat" maneuverable.
>
>Tomatoes / Tomahtoes  :-)
>
>Good Luck.
>
>Best regards,
>
>-Francois
>1990 34+  "Take Five"
>Lake Lanier, Georgia
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I have a '34' centerboard version, which was an option in the early 90s on the 
34 series (including the +, the XL and the R). 


I think the board design was adopted or copied from the 37 which was an earlier 
model but not available new in 1993 (or was out of my price range) one or the 
other!


During the build time of my 34 (between 1993 and 1995), C&C changed the name to 
the 36 (including the +, XL and R) which was identical in hull form AFAIK but 
now had the transom steps. This added confusion but was more consistent with 
the actual LOA of the boat, which is actually 35.5 feet.


This version of the boat rates 120 in our local PHRF fleet and displaces 13,500 
lbs by a load cell measurement. I think the R version rates down in the 80s and 
is claimed to displace ~ 10,000 lbs. Same hull shape, few if any cruising 
amenities and a deep fin keel of about 7.5 ft. Except at a few coastal marinas, 
this kind of draft would require it be kept on a mooring just about anywhere in 
the 'inner banks' of NC.


FWIW


Charlie Nelson
1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
Water Phantom




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-Original Message-
From: Ebay via CnC-List 
To: Della Barba, Joe ; cnc-list 
Sent: Wed, Sep 17, 2014 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38



The 37+ had at least 3 standard keel choices - centerboard, deep and shoal 
wing.  As always people customized them so there are variants on the market.  I 
believe the 34+ was the same although I don't recall ever seeing a centerboard 
version.


John


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On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:40 AM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
 wrote:




Unless there is such a thing as a centerboard 37, the 6’7” draft is a killer 
for many cruising areas.
Other than that the 37 is very niceJ
 
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:49 PM
To: Berry Fox; C&C List
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38
 
My opinion is that the 37+ is a better choice...that's why I bought one.  The 
LF38 usually rates ~140 and the 37+ is ~75.  The trouble with low ratings is 
that you have to be a good enough sailor to sail to them.  Every second counts 
and every mistake can cost you the race.  I had my ass handed to me in a 
friendly race by a Pearson 32.  They rated 168.  It was mostly a down wind run 
and they chose a less down wind angle.  I doesn't hurt that they have a kevlar 
sail and hard bottom paint polished to 1000 grit.
As for pointing the 37+ can point very high and even power through a pinch.  It 
is easy to accidentally pinch up because the boat doesn't realy talk back very 
much.
The C&C 30, the C&C 34+, the C&C 36+ and the C&C 37+ are all very similar 
layout and design.  The C&C 40 seems to be the predecessor to the 37+ and the 
C&C 121 is the successor.
Good luck,
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sep 16, 2014 9:41 PM, "Berry Fox via CnC-List"  wrote:
Hi, I'm seriously considering a LF38.  I'm looking for a performance cruiser 
but also want to race.  The LF38 looks like a great choice but I'm wondering 
about how it sails. I read through the archives and see that several of you 
racecan you give me any insights into how your boats perform?  What do they 
rate in your area and how do they sail to the rating?  How well do they point?  
Any other insights are appreciated.  Thanks in advance,

Dan

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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

FWIW, There's a 1979 Landfall recently for sale in Jacksonville, FL for
$31K.
http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/45617
Not clear where the boat's titled. The phone number has a Mexican country
code.

Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Berry Fox via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi, I'm seriously considering a LF38.
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