Re: Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Jonathan,

My preference is outside the shrouds and use the "high" side for 
transit. I feel there is no clear consensus amongst skippers, seems 
pretty close to 50 - 50 which way to go with the jacklines.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 12:25 PM 16/03/2015, you wrote:
I know the logic behind leading the jack lines inside the shrouds, 
(close to the centerline etc), but on the 35-5 I find the easiest 
way forward is to go outside the shrouds on the windward side. Most 
of my tethers are single point attachment, so I don't want crew 
using them to unclip at any time once out of the cockpit. Short of 
buying new tethers, should I be doing something different


--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Mar 16, 2015, at 15:01, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List 
 wrote:

>
> inside the shrouds

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Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Francois,

 

The Selden poles are quite sturdy.  This one looks almost ideal for you.
Running deep with the pole may be fast in some conditions.  Usually, the
higher the wind speed, the deeper you can run.  In 20 kts of wind we just
point at the downwind mark.  In lighter air gybing downwind is usually
faster.  You maintain a higher boatspeed, but sail further.  In the end
sometimes is all works out the same though.

 

I like the pole.  The price is certainly right!

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

"Midnight Mistress"

C&C 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:45 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Whisker Pole

 

I'm looking for a used 12-22 ft (Absolute minimal length 18.9 FT) whisker
pole. It seems that in light winds jibing / reaching is not paying off for
me..

 I was a contender for any of the top 3 spots all the way to the weather
mark yesterday.. We had to settle for 4th behind 3 other guys running
whisker poles.  

I stronger winds I've had some success jibing and broad reaching vs the
whisker pole guys running straight down. But yesterday (3-7 knots true) I
could not make it work.  I'm told a shallower reach  / more frequent jibes
could have made a difference.. But that seems counter intuitive from a VMG
standpoint.. 

I am curious to hear comments from racers on this. 


if I can't find a used one is there any reason not to buy this one:

http://www.mauriprosailing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SEL
08408460&Store_Code=us&search=Whisker+pole&searchoffset=&filter_cat=&PowerSe
arch_Begin_Only=&sort=price.desc&range_low=&range_high=&ProductsPerPage=20 

It's pretty much the exact length I need for my 135 and seems  beefy enough
at 3.3 inch diameter?  Why would I pay 2X- 2.5 X  for the Forespar piece? 

Thanks in advance, 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgi




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Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Actually, the Seldon pole looks pretty interesting, and more affordable than
I would have thought. And you may be going one size too much for your 34+.

 

I’ve always understood that the optimum length for a whisker pole was 80% of
the LP of your headsail. Your 135 should be 14.8’x1.35=20 feet. Times
0.80=16 feet=about 4900mm.

 

A 6000mm pole may be longer and heavier than you really need.

 

The pole I used on my 38 (I=16.25’) was only 2 ½” diameter and 20 feet long.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:45 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Whisker Pole

 

I'm looking for a used 12-22 ft (Absolute minimal length 18.9 FT) whisker
pole. It seems that in light winds jibing / reaching is not paying off for
me..

 I was a contender for any of the top 3 spots all the way to the weather
mark yesterday.. We had to settle for 4th behind 3 other guys running
whisker poles.  

I stronger winds I've had some success jibing and broad reaching vs the
whisker pole guys running straight down. But yesterday (3-7 knots true) I
could not make it work.  I'm told a shallower reach  / more frequent jibes
could have made a difference.. But that seems counter intuitive from a VMG
standpoint.. 

I am curious to hear comments from racers on this. 


if I can't find a used one is there any reason not to buy this one:

http://www.mauriprosailing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SEL
08408460&Store_Code=us&search=Whisker+pole&searchoffset=&filter_cat=&PowerSe
arch_Begin_Only=&sort=price.desc&range_low=&range_high=&ProductsPerPage=20 

It's pretty much the exact length I need for my 135 and seems  beefy enough
at 3.3 inch diameter?  Why would I pay 2X- 2.5 X  for the Forespar piece? 

Thanks in advance, 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgi




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Stus-List Any C&C Lister in Maine?

[Damian Greene via CnC-List]

I have a 1982 C&C 34, on a mooring in Bass Harbor, Maine (on Mount Desert 
Island).  My wife and I are planning on moving up in boat size in the next year 
or two, and looking for a boat we can comfortably cruise for a couple of weeks 
along coastal Maine (with or without our two teenagers). The 34 works well, is 
a pleasure to sail, but gets cramped with four adults/near-adults after a week. 
 The objective is cruising, not racing. I got the racing out of my system on 
J/24s and a J/80. I've bought enough sandwiches, t-shirts and beer bracelets 
for crew. I've been looking online at the Landfall 38, but have never been on 
one. Does anyone know of a Landfall 38 based Down-East, that I could get to 
check out over the summer? We have been considering bigger too (of course!). So 
any larger C&Cs would be of interest (e.g., Landfall 42). And of course, I 
welcome the learned perspectives of the lister community. Damian Greene1982 C&C 
34 GHOSTBass Harbor, Maine   
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Re: Stus-List LF 38 stemhead casting vs forestay attachment

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

When inspecting, make sure there are at least TWO axes of rotation for the
forestay attachment.  That is, two pins at right angles to each other.

A single axis rotation attachment may cause failure of the tang.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Dave Godwin  wrote:

>
> One thing about those tangs; we had one fail right at the angle on a Grand
> Soleil that we were delivering to St. Johns. If you have that type of setup
> it might be worth having it inspected.
>
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Re: Stus-List LF 38 stemhead casting vs forestay attachment

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Tom, you may be okay if it is the casting and the setup is the same as a 
standard 37’. The forestay tang is bolted to the hull and transfers the forces 
from the forestay to the hull. It comes up through the aluminum casting but no 
load transfer takes place between the two.

See picture in Dropbox: Front End 


One thing about those tangs; we had one fail right at the angle on a Grand 
Soleil that we were delivering to St. Johns. If you have that type of setup it 
might be worth having it inspected.

And Pete, I know that stemhead this is what you are looking for and if it 
weren’t needed back on our boat it would be yours…

Cheers,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Mar 16, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> You need to look at your particular casting and forestay configuration.  I 
> know on my 35-1 the forestay is attached to a stainless tang which is through 
> bolted to the fiberglass of the bow and simply passes through a slot the bow 
> casting.  The casting and tang do not appear to be connected in any way.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Tom Lochhaas via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> The question about the 37 stemcast casting replacement reminded me about an 
> issue on my 1980 Landfall 38 that has nagged at me (or terrified me, 
> depending on my mood). My casting has some possibly serious cracks in it, 
> mostly likely originating in stresses placed by a the mooring line over the 
> bow roller when Hurricane Irene swept through New England a few years ago 
> (with enough force to open the mooring eye by breaking a weld and bending 
> 1-inch steel). When I first noticed the cracks, someone (who seems generally 
> knowledgeable) in my boatyard commented not to worry (much) because, he said, 
> the forestay itself attaches to metal embedded in the hull - in essence, that 
> cracks in the stemhead piece overall would not threaten the rig. I'm nervous, 
> since I realize I shouldn't just accept a person's word for it - and the 
> cracks seem to be worsening. I suspect someone on this list may know enough 
> about the boat's construction to give me either partial relief or full terror 
> - does the forestay's mounting depend on the integrity of that casting 
> overall? (If so, I guess I'm in the same position as Pete in looking for a 
> new one!)
> Thanks.
> 
> Tom Lochhaas
> Newburyport, MA 01950
> 1980 Landfall 38 Topanga
> 
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Re: Stus-List Not C&C related.. Ragamuffin 100 hitting 38 knots

[Chuck Borge via CnC-List]

Holy Cow!  What a rush.

Chuck Borge
C&C 34
Elusive
Somerset, MA


*508-642-3557*

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> One heck of a sled !
>
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsJewTrY5v0
>
> Regards,
>
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ 'Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, Georgia
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Re: Stus-List friends from list

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Graham, today I had lunch with two of those people you met in Vancouver,
and I have met quite a few others from the same forum previously. I'm not
sure, but I think of the people that have come for a sail on PShift, more
were from the C&C list than from forums, but it really doesn't matter one
way or another.

I really don't think it matters much what kind of interface we prefer, the
folks on this list do an excellent job of self-policing and that would
translate to a forum too. I think I have only driven a couple away myself,
however. (evil grin).

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 16 March 2015 at 13:34, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  Mike, you are way too big to be a troll.
>
> I have to disagree a bit, it depends on the forum.  I just got back from
> Vancouver where I met with 4 people I know from a forum, I consider them to
> be friends.  Yes the big ones that is less likely, but I've actually met a
> few folks that I know of from Sailing Anarchy.  From this site I've met a
> few folks, although Bob Abbott has never been closer than a boatlength.
>
> But I am on the side of the email list on this - I prefer the emails
> coming to me vs having to go check another web site.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-03-16 9:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:
>
>  I have personally met several people who came from this list.  Also on the 
> J27 Yahoo group with its email list I met a couple people.  I have never met 
> a single person through any forum
>
>
>
> I have met and chatted with Bob Abbott and Rich Knowles because I knew their 
> names and boats from the list   I have been on both of their boats
>
>
>
> I have had many email conversations with Harry Hallgring and he even did a 
> visual inspection of my current boat while I was in the process of purchasing 
> it.  Our paths did not cross in New Bedford, Mass unfortunately due to time 
> constraints but I do consider many on this list to be friends.
>
>
>
> Forums have to be checked.  Lists come to you.  Many of us prefer the 
> messages coming to us rather than going to look.  Also like many others I do 
> use forums like sailnet as well but not very often anymore.
>
>
>
> So I guess to me LIST = FRIENDS = COMMUNITY.  Forum = Impersonal and 
> anonymity.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> List Troll
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List LF 38 stemhead casting vs forestay attachment

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I'd rather have a tang bolted to the bow with the bolts in shear rather
than have a forestay attached to a bow plate pulling up on the bolts and
glass.

Dennis C.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My LF38 forestay was just attached to the cast aluminum bow rollers, which
> were bolted to a large backing plate glassed into the deck.  All the
> forestay stress was placed on two tabs of cast aluminum, which caused me a
> great deal of worry.  I've since replaced it with a SS plate and rollers,
> which also wraps down over the bow and is bolted to the hull.
>
> So I'd take a really good look at it.  It looks like there is more than
> one configuration.
>
> Wal
>
>
> On 3/16/2015 8:03 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List wrote:
>
>> As I recall, the forestay is connected to this piece via a tang but there
>> is structural attachment to the hull just below it.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List LF 38 stemhead casting vs forestay attachment

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

My LF38 forestay was just attached to the cast aluminum bow rollers, 
which were bolted to a large backing plate glassed into the deck.  All 
the forestay stress was placed on two tabs of cast aluminum, which 
caused me a great deal of worry.  I've since replaced it with a SS plate 
and rollers, which also wraps down over the bow and is bolted to the hull.


So I'd take a really good look at it.  It looks like there is more than 
one configuration.


Wal


On 3/16/2015 8:03 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List wrote:

As I recall, the forestay is connected to this piece via a tang but there is 
structural attachment to the hull just below it.



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Re: Stus-List friends from list

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Graham

I forgot to mention you and secret plans in earlier email. Oops.

Us old trolls have leaky memories

Doesn't matter though. With the 25 cm of snow coming tomorrow Halifax will sink 
into the ocean under the weight of all the snow we have and we will all lose 
our boats.

Off to boat tomorrow to clean off cover for third time in advance of this new 
threat. I wonder if this puts my April lunch date in jeapordy

Mike

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
From: Graham Collins
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 5:34 PM
To: Hoyt, Mike; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List friends from list


Mike, you are way too big to be a troll.

I have to disagree a bit, it depends on the forum.  I just got back from 
Vancouver where I met with 4 people I know from a forum, I consider them to be 
friends.  Yes the big ones that is less likely, but I've actually met a few 
folks that I know of from Sailing Anarchy.  From this site I've met a few 
folks, although Bob Abbott has never been closer than a boatlength.

But I am on the side of the email list on this - I prefer the emails coming to 
me vs having to go check another web site.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2015-03-16 9:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:

I have personally met several people who came from this list.  Also on the J27 
Yahoo group with its email list I met a couple people.  I have never met a 
single person through any forum



I have met and chatted with Bob Abbott and Rich Knowles because I knew their 
names and boats from the list   I have been on both of their boats



I have had many email conversations with Harry Hallgring and he even did a 
visual inspection of my current boat while I was in the process of purchasing 
it.  Our paths did not cross in New Bedford, Mass unfortunately due to time 
constraints but I do consider many on this list to be friends.



Forums have to be checked.  Lists come to you.  Many of us prefer the messages 
coming to us rather than going to look.  Also like many others I do use forums 
like sailnet as well but not very often anymore.



So I guess to me LIST = FRIENDS = COMMUNITY.  Forum = Impersonal and anonymity.



Mike

List Troll




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Re: Stus-List Not C&C related.. Ragamuffin 100 hitting 38 knots

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Great video! Thanks for sharing

 

 

Burt (Skip) Stratton

1974 C&C 33-3/4 tonner

Narragansett Bay, RI

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 2:54 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Not C&C related.. Ragamuffin 100 hitting 38 knots

 

One heck of a sled !  

  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsJewTrY5v0

Regards, 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ 'Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgia

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Re: Stus-List friends from list

[robert via CnC-List]

Graham
We came close to rafting up last season but if I recall, I didn't have 
the time.I had to get home.and even at that I was late because I 
didn't want to go home.Let's rectify this this season.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-03-16 5:34 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:

Mike, you are way too big to be a troll.

I have to disagree a bit, it depends on the forum.  I just got back 
from Vancouver where I met with 4 people I know from a forum, I 
consider them to be friends.  Yes the big ones that is less likely, 
but I've actually met a few folks that I know of from Sailing 
Anarchy.  From this site I've met a few folks, although Bob Abbott has 
never been closer than a boatlength.


But I am on the side of the email list on this - I prefer the emails 
coming to me vs having to go check another web site.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2015-03-16 9:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:

I have personally met several people who came from this list.  Also on the J27 
Yahoo group with its email list I met a couple people.  I have never met a 
single person through any forum
  
I have met and chatted with Bob Abbott and Rich Knowles because I knew their names and boats from the list   I have been on both of their boats
  
I have had many email conversations with Harry Hallgring and he even did a visual inspection of my current boat while I was in the process of purchasing it.  Our paths did not cross in New Bedford, Mass unfortunately due to time constraints but I do consider many on this list to be friends.
  
Forums have to be checked.  Lists come to you.  Many of us prefer the messages coming to us rather than going to look.  Also like many others I do use forums like sailnet as well but not very often anymore.
  
So I guess to me LIST = FRIENDS = COMMUNITY.  Forum = Impersonal and anonymity.
  
Mike

List Troll



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Re: Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

You don't need to run the jackline to the bow pulpit. I allow for my 6 ft 
tether and keep the jacklines inboard by using a padeye on centerline about 5 
feet back from the bow. Because I have that padeye, I made my jacklines with a 
loop in the center (hand sewn) and a carabiner in the loop meant to be hooked 
into a bow deck padeye. I clip that in and run the jacklines outside the 
shrouds and tie the rear ends to padeyes just inside the toerail, near the 
front of cockpit. Going forward allows hooking on while seated in the cockpit, 
and I can go forward and reach the furler and the anchor, but it helps me stay 
on the boat. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Daniel Sheer via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:01:43 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38 

Again, thanks for the advice. I believe I'll be leading the jackines from the 
base of the aft bow pulpit stanchions, inside the shrouds, to a pad eye about 
4' from the stern. Probably put a couple of pad eyes in the cockpit, too. 

Dan Sheer 
Pegathy LF38 
Rock Creek off the Patapsco 

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Re: Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

It really depends on the particular boat.  Some boats have lots of deck
outboard of the shrouds, some don't.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:25 PM, robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Every time I have used a jackline, it has been outside of the shrouds.
>  Since my role as a crew member has normally been the bowman/foredeck, I
> have had the opportunity to actually use the jackline(s) in both daylight
> and art night and I have found maneuvering around shrouds is usually
> quicker, easier, simpler from the outside that the inside.I didn't say
> 'safer' .
>
> ROb Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
> On 2015-03-16 4:25 PM, Indigo via CnC-List wrote:
>
>> I know the logic behind leading the jack lines inside the shrouds, (close
>> to the centerline etc), but on the 35-5 I find the easiest way forward is
>> to go outside the shrouds on the windward side. Most of my tethers are
>> single point attachment, so I don't want crew using them to unclip at any
>> time once out of the cockpit. Short of buying new tethers, should I be
>> doing something different
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan
>> Indigo C&C 35III
>> SOUTHPORT CT
>>
>>  On Mar 16, 2015, at 15:01, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> inside the shrouds
>>>
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Re: Stus-List friends from list

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Mike, you are way too big to be a troll.

I have to disagree a bit, it depends on the forum.  I just got back from 
Vancouver where I met with 4 people I know from a forum, I consider them 
to be friends.  Yes the big ones that is less likely, but I've actually 
met a few folks that I know of from Sailing Anarchy.  From this site 
I've met a few folks, although Bob Abbott has never been closer than a 
boatlength.


But I am on the side of the email list on this - I prefer the emails 
coming to me vs having to go check another web site.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2015-03-16 9:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:

I have personally met several people who came from this list.  Also on the J27 
Yahoo group with its email list I met a couple people.  I have never met a 
single person through any forum
  
I have met and chatted with Bob Abbott and Rich Knowles because I knew their names and boats from the list   I have been on both of their boats
  
I have had many email conversations with Harry Hallgring and he even did a visual inspection of my current boat while I was in the process of purchasing it.  Our paths did not cross in New Bedford, Mass unfortunately due to time constraints but I do consider many on this list to be friends.
  
Forums have to be checked.  Lists come to you.  Many of us prefer the messages coming to us rather than going to look.  Also like many others I do use forums like sailnet as well but not very often anymore.
  
So I guess to me LIST = FRIENDS = COMMUNITY.  Forum = Impersonal and anonymity.
  
Mike

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Re: Stus-List C&C Photo Album site is down

[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

Absolutely. Let's get it going!
Bill suggested using gofundme.com. Is that what we're going to do?

Cheers,Aaron R.Admiral Maggie,1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540Annapolis, MD
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 15:25:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C Photo Album site is down
From: capt...@gmail.com
To: admiralmag...@outlook.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Time for the annual fund drive.

Dennis C.

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Stu,Just FYI, Seems like http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ is down. I'm getting 
redirected to a "Suspended" page...

Cheers,Aaron R.Admiral Maggie,1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540Annapolis, MD 
  

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Re: Stus-List LF 38 stemhead casting vs forestay attachment

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

You need to look at your particular casting and forestay configuration.  I
know on my 35-1 the forestay is attached to a stainless tang which is
through bolted to the fiberglass of the bow and simply passes through a
slot the bow casting.  The casting and tang do not appear to be connected
in any way.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Tom Lochhaas via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The question about the 37 stemcast casting replacement reminded me about
> an issue on my 1980 Landfall 38 that has nagged at me (or terrified me,
> depending on my mood). My casting has some possibly serious cracks in it,
> mostly likely originating in stresses placed by a the mooring line over the
> bow roller when Hurricane Irene swept through New England a few years ago
> (with enough force to open the mooring eye by breaking a weld and bending
> 1-inch steel). When I first noticed the cracks, someone (who seems
> generally knowledgeable) in my boatyard commented not to worry (much)
> because, he said, the forestay itself attaches to metal embedded in the
> hull - in essence, that cracks in the stemhead piece overall would not
> threaten the rig. I'm nervous, since I realize I shouldn't just accept a
> person's word for it - and the cracks seem to be worsening. I suspect
> someone on this list may know enough about the boat's construction to give
> me either partial relief or full terror - does the forestay's mounting
> depend on the integrity of that casting overall? (If so, I guess I'm in the
> same position as Pete in looking for a new one!)
> Thanks.
>
> Tom Lochhaas
> Newburyport, MA 01950
> 1980 Landfall 38 Topanga
>
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Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38

[robert via CnC-List]

Every time I have used a jackline, it has been outside of the shrouds.   
Since my role as a crew member has normally been the bowman/foredeck, I 
have had the opportunity to actually use the jackline(s) in both 
daylight and art night and I have found maneuvering around shrouds is 
usually quicker, easier, simpler from the outside that the inside.I 
didn't say 'safer' .


ROb Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


On 2015-03-16 4:25 PM, Indigo via CnC-List wrote:

I know the logic behind leading the jack lines inside the shrouds, (close to 
the centerline etc), but on the 35-5 I find the easiest way forward is to go 
outside the shrouds on the windward side. Most of my tethers are single point 
attachment, so I don't want crew using them to unclip at any time once out of 
the cockpit. Short of buying new tethers, should I be doing something different

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT


On Mar 16, 2015, at 15:01, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List  
wrote:

inside the shrouds

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Re: Stus-List C&C Photo Album site is down

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Time for the annual fund drive.

Dennis C.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List <
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> Stu,
> Just FYI, Seems like http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ is down. I'm getting
> redirected to a "Suspended" page...
>
> Cheers,
> Aaron R.
> Admiral Maggie,
> 1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540
> Annapolis, MD
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Re: Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Agreed. Inside shrouds sounds like a recipe for more time on deck, clipping
and unclipping at a time when it is best avoided. Being able to quickly
clip on and run forward ( the windward side) to clear a fouled sheet etc,
presents a far lower risk, in my mind, to life and gear than having to move
more slowly and un clipping/reclipping necessitated with a centerline set
up. (even with double tether)

Stantions are not a place for rigging life lines as mentioned.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 12:26 PM Indigo via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I know the logic behind leading the jack lines inside the shrouds, (close
> to the centerline etc), but on the 35-5 I find the easiest way forward is
> to go outside the shrouds on the windward side. Most of my tethers are
> single point attachment, so I don't want crew using them to unclip at any
> time once out of the cockpit. Short of buying new tethers, should I be
> doing something different
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
>
> > On Mar 16, 2015, at 15:01, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > inside the shrouds
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Re: Stus-List LF 38 stemhead casting vs forestay attachment

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I believe mine is constructed from aluminum, but still a casting.  As I recall, 
the forestay is connected to this piece via a tang but there is structural 
attachment to the hull just below it.  So, it won't allow your rig to come down 
but still might be an issue.

Bob

On Mar 16, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Tom Lochhaas via CnC-List wrote:

> The question about the 37 stemcast casting replacement reminded me about an 
> issue on my 1980 Landfall 38 that has nagged at me (or terrified me, 
> depending on my mood). My casting has some possibly serious cracks in it, 
> mostly likely originating in stresses placed by a the mooring line over the 
> bow roller when Hurricane Irene swept through New England a few years ago 
> (with enough force to open the mooring eye by breaking a weld and bending 
> 1-inch steel). When I first noticed the cracks, someone (who seems generally 
> knowledgeable) in my boatyard commented not to worry (much) because, he said, 
> the forestay itself attaches to metal embedded in the hull - in essence, that 
> cracks in the stemhead piece overall would not threaten the rig. I'm nervous, 
> since I realize I shouldn't just accept a person's word for it - and the 
> cracks seem to be worsening. I suspect someone on this list may know enough 
> about the boat's construction to give me either partial relief or full terror 
> - does the forestay's mounting depend on the integrity of that casting 
> overall? (If so, I guess I'm in the same position as Pete in looking for a 
> new one!)
> Thanks.
> 
> Tom Lochhaas
> Newburyport, MA 01950
> 1980 Landfall 38 Topanga
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email: dainyr...@icloud.com
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

"There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
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Stus-List C&C Photo Album site is down

[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

Stu,Just FYI, Seems like http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ is down. I'm getting 
redirected to a "Suspended" page...

Cheers,Aaron R.Admiral Maggie,1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540Annapolis, MD 
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Stus-List LF 38 stemhead casting vs forestay attachment

[Tom Lochhaas via CnC-List]

The question about the 37 stemcast casting replacement reminded me about an
issue on my 1980 Landfall 38 that has nagged at me (or terrified me,
depending on my mood). My casting has some possibly serious cracks in it,
mostly likely originating in stresses placed by a the mooring line over the
bow roller when Hurricane Irene swept through New England a few years ago
(with enough force to open the mooring eye by breaking a weld and bending
1-inch steel). When I first noticed the cracks, someone (who seems
generally knowledgeable) in my boatyard commented not to worry (much)
because, he said, the forestay itself attaches to metal embedded in the
hull - in essence, that cracks in the stemhead piece overall would not
threaten the rig. I'm nervous, since I realize I shouldn't just accept a
person's word for it - and the cracks seem to be worsening. I suspect
someone on this list may know enough about the boat's construction to give
me either partial relief or full terror - does the forestay's mounting
depend on the integrity of that casting overall? (If so, I guess I'm in the
same position as Pete in looking for a new one!)
Thanks.

Tom Lochhaas
Newburyport, MA 01950
1980 Landfall 38 Topanga
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Re: Stus-List 37 stemhead casting

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Can you have a stainless one fabricated?  Add a nice bow roller for your
anchor while you're at it.

Dennis C.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately South Shore doesn't have this piece.   Still looking for
> other
> sources.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Bina
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 1:21 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 37 stemhead casting
>
> When I needed the boom end of the gooseneck for my 27-5, it took them a
> couple days to go look in storage, but they found a brand new casting that
> had not even had the final holes drilled and machining done on it.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 3/16/2015 1:16 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
> > Pete,
> >
> > did you try South Shore Yachts? They have many original parts.
> >
> > Joel
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List
> > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking for a stemhead casting, sometimes called a bowplate,for
> > a early 80s vintage 37.  Please forwardsalvage yards or other
> > sources you may be aware of.
> >
> >
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Re: Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I know the logic behind leading the jack lines inside the shrouds, (close to 
the centerline etc), but on the 35-5 I find the easiest way forward is to go 
outside the shrouds on the windward side. Most of my tethers are single point 
attachment, so I don't want crew using them to unclip at any time once out of 
the cockpit. Short of buying new tethers, should I be doing something different

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Mar 16, 2015, at 15:01, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> inside the shrouds

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Re: Stus-List 37 stemhead casting

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Unfortunately South Shore doesn't have this piece.   Still looking for other
sources.

Thanks,


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 1:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 37 stemhead casting

When I needed the boom end of the gooseneck for my 27-5, it took them a
couple days to go look in storage, but they found a brand new casting that
had not even had the final holes drilled and machining done on it.

Bill Bina

On 3/16/2015 1:16 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
> Pete,
>
> did you try South Shore Yachts? They have many original parts.
>
> Joel
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a stemhead casting, sometimes called a bowplate,for
> a early 80s vintage 37.  Please forwardsalvage yards or other
> sources you may be aware of.
>
>

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Re: Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

You may be thinking this already, but do you mean the toerail or cleat by
the stanchion?  I'd steer clear of attaching anything to the pulpit or
stanchions themselves.

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Again, thanks for the advice. I believe I'll be leading the jackines from
> the base of the aft bow pulpit stanchions, inside the shrouds, to a pad eye
> about 4' from the stern. Probably put a couple of pad eyes in the cockpit,
> too.
>
> Dan Sheer
>
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Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38

[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

Again, thanks for the advice. I believe I'll be leading the jackines from the 
base of the aft bow pulpit stanchions, inside the shrouds, to a pad eye about 
4' from the stern. Probably put a couple of pad eyes in the cockpit, too.
Dan SheerPegathy LF38Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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Re: Stus-List firends from list

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

I’ve met with people from both forums and list-servs ... people from this 
list-serv and people from audio forums (vintage audio is also a hobby). 

A few of the things that seem to work well on a forum that perhaps not everyone 
thinks about:

1) On one of the audio forums I am a member of we have specific 
regional-related threads where we keep and eye out for deals on old equipment, 
etc. Several times as a result I’ve picked up equipment for someone who can’t 
get to it ... and vice versa ... received reimbursement for the transaction off 
the forum via Paypal and then met up with them at a later time to pass it 
along.  We know who is local in a network and help each other out. Not saying 
that kind of cooperation can’t and doesn’t occur via a listserv, but it points 
to how a forum doesn’t have to be impersonal ... it’s what you make of it.
2) An online classifieds section, that is only visible to paid subscribers ... 
which of course helps support the forum.
3) An online owner’s manual section ... which we have with the CNC website of 
course.
4) Threads that become a ‘sticky’ with often repeated or really good write-ups 
on topics.
5) Members who have volunteered to administer various sections (such as 
preparing and posting submitted digital documents) and moderators that 
volunteer for specific sub-forums, etc., so the effort expended in maintaining 
the forum is distributed.
6) Subscribing to threads or in fact entire forums with email alerts can get 
you the autofeed feature much like the email listserv.
7) Just the organization of topics in sub-forums I think is a benefit.
8) Although, yes, forums are more impersonal and anonymous  but along with 
that also you don’t have your email address (and perhaps full name if you 
choose to put it in your sig or email settings) posted out to the internet in 
the archives for everyone to see. And if you want to contact another member 
without giving out an email initially ... then PM’s are available.

Just some thoughts

(and here’s my name, location and boat name for everyone to see . probably 
... hopefully  forever!)

Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C&C 27 MkIII


From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 5:40 AM
To: robert ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List firends from list

I have personally met several people who came from this list.  Also on the J27 
Yahoo group with its email list I met a couple people.  I have never met a 
single person through any forum I have met and chatted with Bob Abbott and Rich 
Knowles because I knew their names and boats from the list   I have been on 
both of their boats I have had many email conversations with Harry Hallgring 
and he even did a visual inspection of my current boat while I was in the 
process of purchasing it.  Our paths did not cross in New Bedford, Mass 
unfortunately due to time constraints but I do consider many on this list to be 
friends. Forums have to be checked.  Lists come to you.  Many of us prefer the 
messages coming to us rather than going to look.  Also like many others I do 
use forums like sailnet as well but not very often anymore. So I guess to me 
LIST = FRIENDS = COMMUNITY.  Forum = Impersonal and anonymity.   MikeList Troll 




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Stus-List Not C&C related.. Ragamuffin 100 hitting 38 knots

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

One heck of a sled !

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsJewTrY5v0

Regards,

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Stus-List C&C 29 Association - Facebook link

[Bob Hickson via CnC-List]

To anyone interested, the following link will take you to the C&C 29
Association Facebook page.

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/cnc29members/

 

Go to this page and send an email requesting to join the group.

We would be happy to have you join us.

The Annual Association Meeting is being held at the end of March.details on
the Facebook page.

 

 

Fair Winds,

 

Bob Hickson, P. Eng.

Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club,

C and C 29 mark 2, Flying Colours,

416-919-2297

bobhick...@rogers.com  

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List 37 stemhead casting

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

When I needed the boom end of the gooseneck for my 27-5, it took them a 
couple days to go look in storage, but they found a brand new casting 
that had not even had the final holes drilled and machining done on it.


Bill Bina

On 3/16/2015 1:16 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:

Pete,

did you try South Shore Yachts? They have many original parts.

Joel

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I’m looking for a stemhead casting, sometimes called a bowplate,for
a early 80s vintage 37.  Please forwardsalvage yards or other
sources you may be aware of.




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Stus-List C&C 29mark 2 information

[Bob Hickson via CnC-List]

Hi Bob,

 

Over the last few years, I have accumulated a fairly long list of C&C 29's
mark 1 and 2.

 

Based on the hull numbers that owners have sent me my guesses are as
follows;

 

C&C 29 mark 1 - built 1976 to 1982 - hull numbers on my list range from 6 to
613.

Estimated number of mark 1 built ~600

 

C&C 29 mark 2 - built 1982 to 1985 - hull numbers on my list range from 201
to 702.

Estimated number of mark 2 built ~500

Mark 2's were built in both plants in NOTL and the Rhode Island plant

 

If you send additional info "off list" I will add you to the list and send a
copy of the list to you

 

Fair Winds,

 

Bob Hickson, P. Eng.

Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club,

C and C 29 mark 2, Flying Colours,

416-919-2297

bobhick...@rogers.com  

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I am currently running in the "Cruiser non-spin"  class so no chute for the
time being,  According to the polars, between 5 to 7 knots there's about an
8% up-tick in VMG to wind for 142 - 144 degrees broad reach and as you
mentioned it seems to even-out around 12 knots and favor running as you get
to higher winds speeds

However, we're strictly talking boat speed relative to wind.. I'm on a lake
where all this typically occurs on the length of the lake so wing on wing
you run straight back (lengthwise) to the finish line versus having to use
the fairly limited amount of  width jibing from shore to shore while
reaching .  Adding to the complexity of accounting for the time consuming
jibes and, especially in light air,  slow acceleration of the boat having
to rebuild both momentum and apparent wind.  You also have to deal with
shifting / potentially reduced winds as you approach the tree line on shore
as opposed to running straight down  the main channel in cleaner / less
shifty air..

Which bring me to the next point..  Assuming some wind / acceleration
capabilities except when competing Wednesday nite style short drag races
where you stay really close to the competition it's kind of a crap shoot
(At least for me) to determine how many jibes is too many vs what you gain
in boat speed by reaching higher..

The more I'm doing this the more I understand the wisdom in playing it safe
and just running wing and wing.

 -Francois Rivard

 -1990 34+ "Take Five"
 Lake Lanier, Georgia



From:   "Ronald B. Frerker" 
To: Jean-Francois J Rivard/Atlanta/IBM@IBMUS,
"cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Date:   03/16/2015 12:47 PM
Subject:Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole



With chutes the general rule is to reach up in the lighter winds and sail
more DDW in the stronger winds.
It would seem that would also work for JAM racing.
Does anyone have a polar diagram for their boat to compare boat speed in
the 5-7 range to see the speed difference between DDW and reaching with
apparent wind at the beam?  From the angle and boat speed for both
positions, we could calculate how much extra distance sailed vs speed.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL




  I stronger winds I've had some success jibing and broad reaching vs
  the whisker pole guys running straight down. But yesterday (3-7 knots
  true) I could not make it work.  I'm told a shallower reach  / more
  frequent jibes could have made a difference.. But that seems counter
  intuitive from a VMG standpoint..
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Re: Stus-List 37 stemhead casting

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Pete,

did you try South Shore Yachts? They have many original parts.

Joel

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’m looking for a stemhead casting, sometimes called a bowplate, for a
> early 80s vintage 37.   Please forward salvage yards or other sources you
> may be aware of.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List 37 stemhead casting

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

I'm looking for a stemhead casting, sometimes called a bowplate, for a early
80s vintage 37.   Please forward salvage yards or other sources you may be
aware of.

 

Thanks,

Pete

 

 

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Re: Stus-List friends from list

[Bruno Lachance via CnC-List]

ME too i am looking forward to meet some listers in Newport, RI. The best time 
would be during the VOR weekend (may 16-17). I'm a real fan and have wanted to 
asssist to an event like this for a very long time.
 
Ok that's bold, but i am really trying to find a way to be there for the 
occasion and i can tell you that there is not a lot of hotel rooms that i can 
afford available for that weekend. So...how cool would it be to "try to stay on 
a boat", and maybe even go on the water during the race.
 
So my wish is out there, if someone is willing to accomodate a friendly and 
easy going couple of sailors for the weekend, we are looking for options, but 
on a boat would be ideal. If you never ask you'll never know!
 
Please let me know off list and we can discuss arrangements.
 
I would never ask fo something like this on a forum...
 
Of course we don't have anything close to a VOR stop over here, but if someone 
is interested to come visit our place you are Welcome!
 
Bruno Lachance
Bécassine, C&C 33 mkII '87
New-Richmond, Qc.
 

 
To: capt...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 09:51:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List firends from list
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

I am looking forward to meeting a couple of the local listers who sail around 
the Newport, RI area. I find myself, when I see a C&C on the water looking to 
see if I know her from this list. I am relatively new to this list but find it 
to be interesting reading and valuable especially in light of my lack of real 
sailing experience or sailboat ownership. The banter can be revealing and 
pretty funny. That kind of intimacy would be difficult on a forum format.  
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:43 AM
To: CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List firends from list Good point, MikeFor instance, I found 
a pair of winches on Craigslist on the other end of the country.  The seller 
was reluctant to ship them to me.  A very kind lister was instrumental in 
obtaining them and shipping them to me.  I think the more personal nature of 
the email format helps that process.I also have met listers in my travels and 
asked listers for local information.  I'm not sure I'd be as comfortable on a 
personal basis with members of a forum.As always, listers are welcome to 
contact me when they are in the south Louisiana area.Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 
#83Mandeville, LA On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
 wrote:I have personally met several people who came 
from this list.  Also on the J27 Yahoo group with its email list I met a couple 
people.  I have never met a single person through any forum I have met and 
chatted with Bob Abbott and Rich Knowles because I knew their names and boats 
from the list   I have been on both of their boats I have had many email 
conversations with Harry Hallgring and he even did a visual inspection of my 
current boat while I was in the process of purchasing it.  Our paths did not 
cross in New Bedford, Mass unfortunately due to time constraints but I do 
consider many on this list to be friends. Forums have to be checked.  Lists 
come to you.  Many of us prefer the messages coming to us rather than going to 
look.  Also like many others I do use forums like sailnet as well but not very 
often anymore. So I guess to me LIST = FRIENDS = COMMUNITY.  Forum = Impersonal 
and anonymity.   MikeList Troll 
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Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

With chutes the general rule is to reach up in the lighter winds and sail more 
DDW in the stronger winds.It would seem that would also work for JAM 
racing.Does anyone have a polar diagram for their boat to compare boat speed in 
the 5-7 range to see the speed difference between DDW and reaching with 
apparent wind at the beam?  From the angle and boat speed for both positions, 
we could calculate how much extra distance sailed vs speed.RonWild CheriC&C 
30-1STL



I stronger winds I've had some success jibing and broad reaching vs the whisker 
pole guys running straight down. But yesterday (3-7 knots true) I could not 
make it work.  I'm told a shallower reach  / more frequent jibes could have 
made a difference.. But that seems counter intuitive from a VMG standpoint.. 

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Re: Stus-List New LF38 owner and blog

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Patrick,

this is of no use to you, but it might benefit others:

I noticed in your blog that you had problems getting through the border with 
your new boat. I brought my boat in the opposite direction (bought in Missouri, 
live in Ottawa, ON). One of the best money spent on the transaction was hiring 
the customs broker for $250. The person who delivered the boat (overland) 
claims that it was the quickest border crossing he ever made (and he does this 
for the living). The other best money spent was the survey.

Marek

in Ottawa



From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:44 AM
To: Russ & Melody ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New LF38 owner and blog

Patrick, 

Welcome!  From reading the blog it looks like you did your homework and found 
the perfect fit.
You will find lots of good, free advice and a lot of friends here.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:


  Hi Patrick
  And welcome to the list. 
  You caught us at a busy time as we were deciding whether to renovate. It 
turns out that we're just gonna leave things as it is and maybe go sailing.

  It's been warm eh.

  Cheers, Russ
  Sweet 35 mk-1
  east side Vancouver Island

  At 08:51 PM 15/03/2015, you wrote:

Hi, 

I just wanted to introduce myself to the group since I'll probably be 
posting a few questions here soon - this group is super helpful! 

My fiancee and I are new LF38 owners in Seattle, and are keeping a blog 
here:Â 

www.svviolethour.com

Feel free to subscribe and follow along!

-Patrick
C&C 38 Landfall
Seattle, WA

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Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I think your only option in light air is wing and wing.

Selden is a reputable brand and Mauri is a reputable dealer.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>I'm looking for a used 12-22 ft (Absolute minimal length 18.9 FT)
>whisker pole. It seems that in light winds jibing / reaching is not paying
>off for me..
>
> I was a contender for any of the top 3 spots all the way to the
>weather mark yesterday.. We had to settle for 4th behind 3 other guys
>running whisker poles.
>
>I stronger winds I've had some success jibing and broad reaching vs
>the whisker pole guys running straight down. But yesterday (3-7 knots true)
>I could not make it work.  I'm told a shallower reach  / more frequent
>jibes could have made a difference.. But that seems counter intuitive from
>a VMG standpoint..
>
>I am curious to hear comments from racers on this.
>
>
>if I can't find a used one is there any reason not to buy this one:
>
> http://www.mauriprosailing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SEL08408460&Store_Code=us&search=Whisker+pole&searchoffset=&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=price.desc&range_low=&range_high=&ProductsPerPage=20
>
>
>It's pretty much the exact length I need for my 135 and seems  beefy
>enough at 3.3 inch diameter?  Why would I pay 2X- 2.5 X  for the Forespar
>piece?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>-Francois Rivard
>1990 34+ "Take Five"
>Lake Lanier, Georgi
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Whisker Pole

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I'm looking for a used 12-22 ft (Absolute minimal length 18.9 FT) whisker
pole. It seems that in light winds jibing / reaching is not paying off for
me..

  I was a contender for any of the top 3 spots all the way to the weather
 mark yesterday.. We had to settle for 4th behind 3 other guys running
 whisker poles.

 I stronger winds I've had some success jibing and broad reaching vs the
 whisker pole guys running straight down. But yesterday (3-7 knots true) I
 could not make it work.  I'm told a shallower reach  / more frequent jibes
 could have made a difference.. But that seems counter intuitive from a VMG
 standpoint..

 I am curious to hear comments from racers on this.


 if I can't find a used one is there any reason not to buy this one:
 
http://www.mauriprosailing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SEL08408460&Store_Code=us&search=Whisker
+pole&searchoffset=&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=price.desc&range_low=&range_high=&ProductsPerPage=20


 It's pretty much the exact length I need for my 135 and seems  beefy
 enough at 3.3 inch diameter?  Why would I pay 2X- 2.5 X  for the Forespar
 piece?

 Thanks in advance,

 -Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ "Take Five"
 Lake Lanier, Georgi


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Re: Stus-List 29-2 information

[Bob Caughran via CnC-List]

I have hull # 309 and it was completed in the summer of ‘83.

Bob Caughran
Beemer
C&C 29 Mk II, #309

From: Ron Ander via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 8:31 AM
To: 'Rick Brass' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List 29-2 information

My C&C 29 Mk 2 (Hull # 507) was built in Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario. I don’t 
know how many were built.

 

Ron Ander

Alchemist 

E.Y.C.

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 29-2 information

 

I have a friend with a new-to-her 1983 C&C 29-2, hull number 208. The hull 
number seems sort of odd since sailboatdata.com shows production from 1983 to 
1986.

 

Can anyone confirm the dates of production and tell us how many were built?

 

Also, last week there was mention of a closed Facebook page/forum for 29-2 
owners. How would she go about finding it and joining?

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 




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Re: Stus-List stus-list etiquette

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Some etiquette that you are probably picking up are as follows:

Limit/be aware of the legth of your "quoted" text strings.  Responding to
the original message will limit the length automatically.

Don't respond to the digests.  Or worse respond to a digest with a
question.  There is a good chance no one will answer.  You can turn off the
digest in your subscription options.  I have.

When signing off, leave your name and boat name at a minimum.  We are all
interested in what we have in common so sharing a model and year of make is
friendly.  Adding where you sail or homeport is more friendly and might
invite visitors from the list.

To do a google search narrowing the results to just the list, do this in
the search:
site:cnc-list.com

To search/view the mail archives specifically go here:
https://www.mail-archive.com/cnc-list@cnc-list.com/

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
an etiquette list and "how to" would be appreciated for those of us who are
"internet challenged" I've made my share of blank and multi message posts.
How to search for info would also help some of us
Thanks
Brad
1985 C&C 33 Mk II

Sent, miraculously through cyberspace,
from my iPad!
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Re: Stus-List firends from list

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

I am looking forward to meeting a couple of the local listers who sail around 
the Newport, RI area. I find myself, when I see a C&C on the water looking to 
see if I know her from this list. I am relatively new to this list but find it 
to be interesting reading and valuable especially in light of my lack of real 
sailing experience or sailboat ownership. The banter can be revealing and 
pretty funny. That kind of intimacy would be difficult on a forum format. 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:43 AM
To: CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List firends from list

 

Good point, Mike

For instance, I found a pair of winches on Craigslist on the other end of the 
country.  The seller was reluctant to ship them to me.  A very kind lister was 
instrumental in obtaining them and shipping them to me.  I think the more 
personal nature of the email format helps that process.

I also have met listers in my travels and asked listers for local information.  
I'm not sure I'd be as comfortable on a personal basis with members of a forum.

As always, listers are welcome to contact me when they are in the south 
Louisiana area.

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I have personally met several people who came from this list.  Also on the J27 
Yahoo group with its email list I met a couple people.  I have never met a 
single person through any forum
 
I have met and chatted with Bob Abbott and Rich Knowles because I knew their 
names and boats from the list   I have been on both of their boats
 
I have had many email conversations with Harry Hallgring and he even did a 
visual inspection of my current boat while I was in the process of purchasing 
it.  Our paths did not cross in New Bedford, Mass unfortunately due to time 
constraints but I do consider many on this list to be friends.
 
Forums have to be checked.  Lists come to you.  Many of us prefer the messages 
coming to us rather than going to look.  Also like many others I do use forums 
like sailnet as well but not very often anymore.
 
So I guess to me LIST = FRIENDS = COMMUNITY.  Forum = Impersonal and anonymity. 
 
 
Mike
List Troll

 


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Re: Stus-List firends from list

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Good point, Mike

For instance, I found a pair of winches on Craigslist on the other end of
the country.  The seller was reluctant to ship them to me.  A very kind
lister was instrumental in obtaining them and shipping them to me.  I think
the more personal nature of the email format helps that process.

I also have met listers in my travels and asked listers for local
information.  I'm not sure I'd be as comfortable on a personal basis with
members of a forum.

As always, listers are welcome to contact me when they are in the south
Louisiana area.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  I have personally met several people who came from this list.  Also on the 
> J27 Yahoo group with its email list I met a couple people.  I have never met 
> a single person through any forum
>
>
>
> I have met and chatted with Bob Abbott and Rich Knowles because I knew their 
> names and boats from the list   I have been on both of their boats
>
>
>
> I have had many email conversations with Harry Hallgring and he even did a 
> visual inspection of my current boat while I was in the process of purchasing 
> it.  Our paths did not cross in New Bedford, Mass unfortunately due to time 
> constraints but I do consider many on this list to be friends.
>
>
>
> Forums have to be checked.  Lists come to you.  Many of us prefer the 
> messages coming to us rather than going to look.  Also like many others I do 
> use forums like sailnet as well but not very often anymore.
>
>
>
> So I guess to me LIST = FRIENDS = COMMUNITY.  Forum = Impersonal and 
> anonymity.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> List Troll
>
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Re: Stus-List List etiquette

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Chuck

Current Boat?
Past Boat?
Previous Past Boat?
The one before that?
Or the oldest one you can remember?

Many of the questions posed are relative to many different types of boats and 
many are related to experiences had on previously owned boats.  The C&C 36 our 
family owned was in fact a C&C (as opposed to the rest of the boats I have 
owned)  and a beautiful and powerful boat but my experiences on that were 
mostly as a passenger or crew and I had little knowledge of the intimate 
workings of the boat.  On the other hand the Niagara 26 we owned was built and 
designed by George Hinterhoeller so was in almost every respect but name a C&C. 
 Even used most of the same parts in its construction.  The Frers 33 we 
currently own is not only compared extensively to the C&C 33-2 but has the same 
engine as many of the boats owned by people on this list.  Then of course we 
must not forget the C&C 115 that we race on and spend more time on than our own 
boat…. So I guess that must be included as well ….  (PS – If I were wally there 
would be some symbol for a grin)

So here goes

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
1987 Frers 33
RNSYS Halifax, NS

Formerly
Nut Case
1987 J/27
BHYC Barrachois Harbour, NS

More formerly
Full Tilt 2
1979 Niagara 26
BHYC Barrachois Harbor, NS

Even before that
MonkeyBear
1974 Paceship P23
Halifax NS

Way before that
Blue Horizon No 1
1981 C&C 36
RNSYS Halifax, NS

.. and at the same time …
Full Tilt
McVay Minuette
Halifax, NS

.. and the race boat (not mine – I just run the main and do spring prep)
Koobalibra
2007 C&C 115
RNSYS Halifax, NS

(the signature is longer than the post!)


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via 
CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 8:43 PM
To: Jim Watts; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List List etiquette

The other list etiquette thing is "Boat model" and "location" in the signature. 
 This has been brought up several times and so important when considering a 
proper response.

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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Re: Stus-List New LF38 owner and blog

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Patrick,

Welcome!  From reading the blog it looks like you did your homework and
found the perfect fit.
You will find lots of good, free advice and a lot of friends here.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Patrick
> And welcome to the list.
> You caught us at a busy time as we were deciding whether to renovate. It
> turns out that we're just gonna leave things as it is and maybe go sailing.
>
> It's been warm eh.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> Sweet 35 mk-1
> east side Vancouver Island
>
> At 08:51 PM 15/03/2015, you wrote:
>
> Hi,Â
>
> I just wanted to introduce myself to the group since I'll probably be
> posting a few questions here soon - this group is super helpful!Â
>
> My fiancee and I are new LF38 owners in Seattle, and are keeping a blog
> here:Â
>
> www.svviolethour.com
>
> Feel free to subscribe and follow along!
>
> -Patrick
> C&C 38 Landfall
> Seattle, WA
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Re: Stus-List New LF38 owner and blog

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Welcome!  Hope the new boat is going well.

As for being new to the list we are all in the middle of a huge discussion
on what makes the list different and in many ways better than forums or
facebook or groups.  And somethings that make it...hmmm...less better.

Here's a couple things that you may find helpful:

Understand that every email sent to cnc-list@cnc-list.com is relayed to
every other list member's email.  Traditional email clients display emails
as one continuous stream usually organized by time/date recieved.  I find
that a better way is to have them organized by subject.  Gmail and the
gmail clients call this "conversation mode".  It keeps all emails with the
same subject together so that the conversation is under one line item.

It is quite easy to simply respond to incoming emails without any attention
to the "quoted" text.  This text string can get quite long after a few
people all respond to each others emails without removing or snipping the
quoted text.  On some email clients the "quoted text" doesn't get shown and
is automatically displayed as a hyperlink "quoted text".  This can make it
more difficult to even recognize just how long the string has become.  Just
be aware.  Responding to the original post can also help.

Some people have found the quantity of emails to be overwhelming to their
email inboxes.  Two solutions:  One is to simply use a dedicated email
address.  The other is to set an email rule to automatically move cnc-list
emails from the inbox to another folder.  Your inbox stays clean and you
can view list emails when time allows.

You can search the email archives.  You are probably not the first person
to ask the question.

You can google search the cnc-list site for answers as well.

I see you have already figured out the etiquette for signing off

The list isn't free.  Stu dedicates time and money to host and manage the
list and photo album website.  If you find the list helpful, chip in a few
bucks.

Once again, welcome.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons,  MD
On Mar 15, 2015 11:52 PM, "Patrick Davin via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just wanted to introduce myself to the group since I'll probably be
> posting a few questions here soon - this group is super helpful!
>
> My fiancee and I are new LF38 owners in Seattle, and are keeping a blog
> here:
>
> www.svviolethour.com
>
> Feel free to subscribe and follow along!
>
> -Patrick
> C&C 38 Landfall
> Seattle, WA
>
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Re: Stus-List New LF38 owner and blog

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Patrick
And welcome to the list.
You caught us at a busy time as we were deciding 
whether to renovate. It turns out that we're just 
gonna leave things as it is and maybe go sailing.


It's been warm eh.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
east side Vancouver Island

At 08:51 PM 15/03/2015, you wrote:

Hi,Â

I just wanted to introduce myself to the group 
since I'll probably be posting a few questions 
here soon - this group is super helpful!Â


My fiancee and I are new LF38 owners in Seattle, 
and are keeping a blog here:Â


www.svviolethour.com

Feel free to subscribe and follow along!

-Patrick
C&C 38 Landfall
Seattle, WA
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Stus-List 29-2 information

[Ron Ander via CnC-List]

My C&C 29 Mk 2 (Hull # 507) was built in Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario. I
don't know how many were built.

 

Ron Ander

Alchemist 

E.Y.C.

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Brass via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 29-2 information

 

I have a friend with a new-to-her 1983 C&C 29-2, hull number 208. The hull
number seems sort of odd since sailboatdata.com shows production from 1983
to 1986.

 

Can anyone confirm the dates of production and tell us how many were built?

 

Also, last week there was mention of a closed Facebook page/forum for 29-2
owners. How would she go about finding it and joining?

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

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Stus-List 29-2 information

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I have a friend with a new-to-her 1983 C&C 29-2, hull number 208. The hull
number seems sort of odd since sailboatdata.com shows production from 1983
to 1986.

 

Can anyone confirm the dates of production and tell us how many were built?

 

Also, last week there was mention of a closed Facebook page/forum for 29-2
owners. How would she go about finding it and joining?

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

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Re: Stus-List IMAP vs. POP (was: Email List or Forum)

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Jonathan,

You are once again correct.   POP3 is really an older protocol which allows
for batch downloading of emails.  A POP3 server needs to be queried by each
client every time an update is desired.  IMAP is newer and appears to
"push" emails to each client immediately upon receipt.  The actions on each
client are also relayed back to the server so that read, delete, re-label,
move to folder, and respond actions are reflected at the server and ALL of
the other clients.

POP3 was/is great for low bandwidth applications where you may need to
minimize connection time and data usage.  Old ISP's with limited data or
minutes and sailmail come to mind. connect - download - disconnect - read -
compose - connect - upload - disconnect.
IMAP works great for always on highspeed connections that can support the
constant back and forth syncing of emails.  Most people, with modern
internet connections can, and probably should, use IMAP service.  Even if
you don't have or don't want constant syncing most people will control this
simply by turning on/off the internet connection.  IMAP figures it out
automatically.

http://www.upperhost.com/pop3imap.htm

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Marek
Are you sure about this?  I have no problem reading emails when my phone is
in airline mode. Of course it is not getting new emails but that is the
same with Pop3


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Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

On Mar 15, 2015, at 22:28, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

If you switch to IMAP (from POP3) you lose the ability to read off-line -
for some this might be useful.


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Re: Stus-List transmission Shifter

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Take a look at where the shifter cable connects to the transmission
actuator. Very easy to get to on my boat. It is at the most forward end of
the transmission about 8 inches from the big hatch leading to the main
cabin. On my Atomic 4 it is a simple bracket with a pivot point that was
completely seized on my boat. A little penetrating oil and a whole lot of
repeated movement did the trick. I could see how it would bind up even under
use without some periodic attention.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hood
via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 12:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List transmission Shifter

 

I have always had problems with my transmission.  Shifter is located on the
binnacle forward of the wheel.  I had the boat in the water for 1 season and
used a 12" long handle to give the leverage needed to shift.  Wife often
can't manage as too much pressure is needed to shift from neutral, reverse,
forward.  Atomic 4 engine.transmission unknown.  Thoughts?

 

Thanks,

Paul Hood

1982 C&C34

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Re: Stus-List Searching Stus List C&C archives,

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

this is what keeps it interesting

Marek


From: Jim Watts via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:55 AM
To: Dennis C. ; 1 CnC List 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Searching Stus List C&C archives,


On 15 March 2015 at 19:56, Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:

  Someone may happily answer it.

Or we may heap abuse on the questioner. Some days it's a crap shoot. 


Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC




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Stus-List firends from list

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

I have personally met several people who came from this list.  Also on the J27 
Yahoo group with its email list I met a couple people.  I have never met a 
single person through any forum



I have met and chatted with Bob Abbott and Rich Knowles because I knew their 
names and boats from the list   I have been on both of their boats



I have had many email conversations with Harry Hallgring and he even did a 
visual inspection of my current boat while I was in the process of purchasing 
it.  Our paths did not cross in New Bedford, Mass unfortunately due to time 
constraints but I do consider many on this list to be friends.



Forums have to be checked.  Lists come to you.  Many of us prefer the messages 
coming to us rather than going to look.  Also like many others I do use forums 
like sailnet as well but not very often anymore.



So I guess to me LIST = FRIENDS = COMMUNITY.  Forum = Impersonal and anonymity.



Mike

List Troll

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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

List seems much more interactive than a forum.  Prefer the list which is why I 
am here not sailnet

Mike
1981 C&C 36 Blue Horizon No 1 ALUMNI

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin 
DeYoung via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 7:37 PM
To: Stu; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

I prefer the list.

There are plenty of forums.  This list is different / better because of the C&C 
focus and limited participation (not invaded by non C&C owners and alumni).

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:32 PM
To: C&C Email List
Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum

Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a 
“Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like 
this one).

PROS:
1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
undesirable subscribers blocked.
6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view the 
latest topics since your last visit.

CONS:
1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
enhancements.
2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
()
3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.

Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
does not matter to me.

Stu

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Re: Stus-List IMAP vs. POP (was: Email List or Forum)

[Indigo via CnC-List]

Marek
Are you sure about this?  I have no problem reading emails when my phone is in 
airline mode. Of course it is not getting new emails but that is the same with 
Pop3


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> On Mar 15, 2015, at 22:28, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you switch to IMAP (from POP3) you lose the ability to read off-line - for 
> some this might be useful.
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 110, Issue 57

[Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List]

+1 to the annual fundraising drive for Stu. 
No no no to Facebook for this list  The photo album has a place for pics and if 
you want to show off your boat, make a FB page for her or make a website. 
I still like the list.  Altho I get updates from Moyer Marine (btw Paul Hood, 
Ken there can help you with anything A4 related including transmission probs) 
and from sailboatowners.com, I don't feel like they are a community at all. I 
like our crew. There are comments (envious IMO) on other forums about how C&C 
owners have such a good group. I've have also seen 2 comments elsewhere in the 
past 6 months or so that the guys could not figure out how to be added to the 
list. Maybe that aspect could be addressed. 
 Seems like the biggest complaint re: list is the repetitive text. Highlight 
and delete. No big deal. In a hurry and don't? No big deal. Big thanks to Ed 
for googling how to deal with that problem! I think I'll follow up on that so I 
can solve my own problem!  
  Also: regarding forum threads, they don't always stay on topic either. 
  What a 1st world problem this is. Have a great day y'all!  

Barbara H. Fellers
"Flight Risk"
C&C 33-1
Charleston, SC


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