Re: Stus-List Stupid Club
This is such an interesting thread that I thought I'd expose myself to some laughter too. As a matter of added interest, I joined the Stupid Club on the day after I joined the Hypocrit's Club. Years ago I had a lovely long line that I decided I'd use as a genoa sheet. It was a beautiful length of brand new polyester braid back when polyester rope was still something of a novelty. I sat back and admired my work noting that the sheet was a bit longer than it needed to be. Not to worry, I told myself smugly, I'll sort that out later. The next morning we were motoring out for our race. I was a first year skipper in my first keel boat. We were far ahead in the standings and only had to finish this race to take home the silverware. I was dreaming of the glory instead of watching what everyone was doing. I instructed the crew to set up as we usually did and one of the inexperienced crew dropped the end of the genoa sheet over the side and didn't recover it immediately. Yes, you guessed it! It wrapped itself around the prop and the shaft shaft and we started taking on water. Large volumes of it. Didn't start the race, didn't take the trophy home and nearly didn't get the boat home either. The list of damage it caused is too long to tell but it cost a fortune and did some serious ego bashing. A host of lessons learned. Red faced for months, David On 20 May 2015 at 14:47, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I used my 7 litre Pela vacuum extractor to empty the sump on my 3QM30 one fall and then kicked it over on the way up the companionway. Had to yank the sole and swab out the engine compartment. About three hours as I recall. Nice! Rich On May 19, 2015, at 19:08, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I left the oil cap off once. Ran the boat hard for 6 hours before I noticed. Also had the mess. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- *From: *robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc: *robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca *Sent: *Thursday, May 14, 2015 10:23:50 PM *Subject: *Stus-List Rig - crack? Wally: I have no problem admitting to my mental limitationsif I were that smart, I wouldn't be sailing a 31 year old boat and I wouldn't be doing all of the maintenance/work myself. Possibly explains why I am a big fan of the CC list. Here's another example of 'stupid'..changed the engine oil last Fall just before haul outstarted the engine after the oil change but just long enough to hear the engine alarm go 'off'launched this Spring and went for a half hour motor before docking.noticed some oil in the bilgenow we get to the 'stupid'..forgot to put the oil cap back on the to of the engine last Fall after the oil changesome oil spurted out of the top of the engine and made a mess all the way to the bilge. Had a big clean up.I am a full member of the 'stupid club' and freely admit it! Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-14 11:04 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List wrote: you wrote: Steve: Instantly, now I feel stupid Welcome to the club. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Almost sold in Halifax, NS. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 29 - $2500
Is that a crack I see? If so that may make it a total disaster. From: Brent Driedger via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 6:22 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brent Driedger Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 29 - $2500 It's not a total disaster. The interiors had water sitting in it for a long time. There's no mention of a mast. Might as well be free then. Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2015, at 8:09 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If someone is looking for a project: 1978 CC 29 - $2500 (CAD) I wonder if that light blue is the original gelcoat. Could be a pretty boat again. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stupid Club
David Let me guess. Shaft pulled back, shaft seal or stuffing box compromised, coupler detached and probable damage to strut and stern tube? Don’t ask me how I know. Suffice it to say that I also belong in the club. On the bright side insurance often covers Stupid and in this case it does. Mike Persistence Halifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Lenehan via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David Lenehan Subject: Re: Stus-List Stupid Club This is such an interesting thread that I thought I'd expose myself to some laughter too. As a matter of added interest, I joined the Stupid Club on the day after I joined the Hypocrit's Club. Years ago I had a lovely long line that I decided I'd use as a genoa sheet. It was a beautiful length of brand new polyester braid back when polyester rope was still something of a novelty. I sat back and admired my work noting that the sheet was a bit longer than it needed to be. Not to worry, I told myself smugly, I'll sort that out later. The next morning we were motoring out for our race. I was a first year skipper in my first keel boat. We were far ahead in the standings and only had to finish this race to take home the silverware. I was dreaming of the glory instead of watching what everyone was doing. I instructed the crew to set up as we usually did and one of the inexperienced crew dropped the end of the genoa sheet over the side and didn't recover it immediately. Yes, you guessed it! It wrapped itself around the prop and the shaft shaft and we started taking on water. Large volumes of it. Didn't start the race, didn't take the trophy home and nearly didn't get the boat home either. The list of damage it caused is too long to tell but it cost a fortune and did some serious ego bashing. A host of lessons learned. Red faced for months, David On 20 May 2015 at 14:47, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I used my 7 litre Pela vacuum extractor to empty the sump on my 3QM30 one fall and then kicked it over on the way up the companionway. Had to yank the sole and swab out the engine compartment. About three hours as I recall. Nice! Rich On May 19, 2015, at 19:08, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I left the oil cap off once. Ran the boat hard for 6 hours before I noticed. Also had the mess. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert robertabb...@eastlink.camailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 10:23:50 PM Subject: Stus-List Rig - crack? Wally: I have no problem admitting to my mental limitationsif I were that smart, I wouldn't be sailing a 31 year old boat and I wouldn't be doing all of the maintenance/work myself. Possibly explains why I am a big fan of the CC list. Here's another example of 'stupid'..changed the engine oil last Fall just before haul outstarted the engine after the oil change but just long enough to hear the engine alarm go 'off'launched this Spring and went for a half hour motor before docking.noticed some oil in the bilgenow we get to the 'stupid'..forgot to put the oil cap back on the to of the engine last Fall after the oil changesome oil spurted out of the top of the engine and made a mess all the way to the bilge. Had a big clean up.I am a full member of the 'stupid club' and freely admit it! Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-14 11:04 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List wrote: you wrote: Steve: Instantly, now I feel stupid Welcome to the club. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Almost sold in Halifax, NS. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stupid Club
Aniother stupid oil trick! Pumped oil out of my Beta 25, changed filter, added what seemed like more oil than should have been necessary and started her up. Ran fine until oil pressure alarm sounded, shut down, checked level, seemed low so added another quart or so (figured the oil filter was now full), started her up and in another few moments oil alarm goes off again. Went below to look around and to my HORROR found that most of my aft cabin (cushions, ceiling, cabinet covers, etc.) was covered in oil and the aft sole had about 1/2 inch of oil on it! Sat down, about cried, cursed for 10 minutes at least at what had happened--and I had changed the oil many times before so this was a really stupid trick. Not certain but a combination of a not tight enough oil filter, or it might have blown a hole in the filter itself plus adding too much oil forced the extra out the filter seal and the oil overflow tube which conveniently dripped the excess oil behind the fan on the alternator. With the access panel off for the oil change, the oil was blown mostly out of the engine space into my aft cabin. Several cover washings with lots of Shout got it out of them after destroying most of the zippers to get them off the cushions--good old ultrasuede now 20 years old and well washed!. Had to have the zippers and upholstery buttons replaced on all 4 cushions plus an entirely new cushion for the largest one (of course). Total cost ~ $600 plus about 8 hours of work/aggravation to clean the cabin and covers. Lessons learned about being careful on even such simple jobs--PRICELESS! Charlie Nelson Water Phantom CC 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net Sent: Tue, May 19, 2015 10:08 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Stupid Club I left the oil cap off once. Ran the boat hard for 6 hours before I noticed. Also had the mess. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 10:23:50 PM Subject: Stus-List Rig - crack? Wally: I have no problem admitting to my mental limitationsif I were that smart, I wouldn't be sailing a 31 year old boat and I wouldn't be doing all of the maintenance/work myself. Possibly explains why I am a big fan of the CC list. Here's another example of 'stupid'..changed the engine oil last Fall just before haul outstarted the engine after the oil change but just long enough to hear the engine alarm go 'off'launched this Spring and went for a half hour motor before docking.noticed some oil in the bilgenow we get to the 'stupid'..forgot to put the oil cap back on the to of the engine last Fall after the oil changesome oil spurted out of the top of the engine and made a mess all the way to the bilge. Had a big clean up.I am a full member of the 'stupid club' and freely admit it! Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-14 11:04 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List wrote: you wrote: Steve: Instantly, now I feel stupid Welcome to the club. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List first sail, first race of the year
It was up to 85 by end of day yesterday. Should top out at around 100+. See you out there, I'll be on a J-80 named Evil Woman. Raft up at MRYC and enjoy the party. The fleet of spinnakers going across Eastern Bay will dwarf that 20. Gary Nylander St. Michaels - Original Message - From: Chuck S via CnC-List To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: Chuck S Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List first sail, first race of the year I expected to be quite busy, and really enjoyed the experience. Working so much on winter projects like rebuilding the steering, and building the helm seat and boarding ramp over the winter, I forgot how much effort is required to tack and winch in the genoa. By the time I got the sheet winched in and the sail skirted, and the authelm tweaked, sheet tensioned again, it was time to tack again. I was making 6.6 knots but not very close to the wind. I just never got the boat into the sweet groove until the last upwind leg. By then, all the crewed spinnaker boats but one, passed me on that long 8 mile downwind leg. I'm new to the Chesapeake and first time I ever saw 20 spinnakers at one time. What a beautiful day. I crossed the finish line doing 7.3 knots, and taking pictures of the boat behind and the RC boat, and sailed jib and main through the straight into the Magothy before furling the genoa and having a celebratory beer. I have to learn spinnaker. I'm contemplating doing the Annapolis to Miles River Race this weekend, 70 boats so far. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- From: Chris Price via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chris Price iceboa...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:37:12 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List first sail, first race of the year We were looking for you but didn't get out on the water until 3:30 on Saturday. That's a handful of boat to singlehand. I sailed mine solo to West River one time, found a summer thunderstorm just as I got in to the mooring. Interesting time was had. Chris Price Pradel 35 MK I -- From: Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:00:43 PM Subject: Stus-List first sail, first race of the year Had my first sail of the year last Saturday. Did a 10 mile distance race from Annapolis to Gibson Island singlehanded. First singlehanded race of my life. Great sun, 80 degree air and 65 degree water and wind was 8 to 12 knots. Finished in the back of the fleet of crewed boats but not last. Should have used a spinnaker, but still working on those skills. One of the most challenging and beautiful and memorable sailing days yet. I'm almost over the sore muscles. Might do another race again next weekend. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport
Harry Pretty boat. I love the look of the massive reverse transom. How do you adjust the backstay though? Step ladder? Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:04 PM To: CC List Cc: Pierre Tremblay Subject: Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport Here some pictures of Mirage https://www.flickr.com/gp/77363625@N06/jN790G Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 De : Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.commailto:hhallgr...@icloud.com À : cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc : Pierre Tremblay tremblay.pie...@yahoo.camailto:tremblay.pie...@yahoo.ca Envoyé le : mardi 19 mai 2015 9h09 Objet : Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport Thanks for the kind words Pierre! Here are a few shots from Sunday's VOR leg start. We were on Alvimedica's chase boat...great day! https://www.flickr.com/photos/46147579@N08/sets/72157652015578858 Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2015, at 09:55, Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I saw Harry's Mirage in Newport during the VOR weekend. Nicest boat on the water. Will post pictures somewhere and email the link to the list. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport
Great shots! Harry, is that Columbia blue? Gorgeous! Joel On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Harry Pretty boat. I love the look of the massive reverse transom. How do you adjust the backstay though? Step ladder? Mike *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:04 PM *To:* CC List *Cc:* Pierre Tremblay *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport Here some pictures of Mirage https://www.flickr.com/gp/77363625@N06/jN790G Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 -- *De :* Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com *À :* cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc :* Pierre Tremblay tremblay.pie...@yahoo.ca *Envoyé le :* mardi 19 mai 2015 9h09 *Objet :* Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport Thanks for the kind words Pierre! Here are a few shots from Sunday's VOR leg start. We were on Alvimedica's chase boat...great day! https://www.flickr.com/photos/46147579@N08/sets/72157652015578858 Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2015, at 09:55, Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I saw Harry's Mirage in Newport during the VOR weekend. Nicest boat on the water. Will post pictures somewhere and email the link to the list. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stupid Club
About 30 - some years ago, a friend of mine and I decided to sail my 19 footer from Fort Lauderdale to the Upper Keys. Being in our 20s, our provisions were a loaf of bread, a jar of peanut butter, a plastic container of water, several packs of cigarettes and two cases of beer. We had no radio, so we didn't know a tropical wave had formed. We were forced to take shelter on an uninhabited island called Elliott Key. Once at a small dock there, we stupidly left the hatch partly open - allowing a raccoon to crawl in, slash the water container, eat the loaf of bread and shred the cigarettes. By the time we got back from exploring the island, the raccoon had opened the peanut butter and was walking around the dock with his head inside the jar. We were saved when a German showed up with his son on another small sailboat. He had plenty of food and cigarettes, but no beer to pass the two days it took for the storm to pass. We were able to strike a deal. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO Original message From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date:05/20/2015 9:37 AM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net Subject: Re: Stus-List Stupid Club I don’t know if anyone else on the list has been following Michael Robertson’s blog, aboard the sailing vessel Del Viento; he also writes columns for Cruising World. They just reached the Marquesas, having left Mexico a few weeks ago. He writes about an “ooops” in a recent post: http://www.logofdelviento.blogspot.com/2015/04/day-9-at-end-of-our-rope.html Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On May 20, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Aniother stupid oil trick! Pumped oil out of my Beta 25, changed filter, added what seemed like more oil than should have been necessary and started her up. Ran fine until oil pressure alarm sounded, shut down, checked level, seemed low so added another quart or so (figured the oil filter was now full), started her up and in another few moments oil alarm goes off again. Went below to look around and to my HORROR found that most of my aft cabin (cushions, ceiling, cabinet covers, etc.) was covered in oil and the aft sole had about 1/2 inch of oil on it! Sat down, about cried, cursed for 10 minutes at least at what had happened--and I had changed the oil many times before so this was a really stupid trick. Not certain but a combination of a not tight enough oil filter, or it might have blown a hole in the filter itself plus adding too much oil forced the extra out the filter seal and the oil overflow tube which conveniently dripped the excess oil behind the fan on the alternator. With the access panel off for the oil change, the oil was blown mostly out of the engine space into my aft cabin. Several cover washings with lots of Shout got it out of them after destroying most of the zippers to get them off the cushions--good old ultrasuede now 20 years old and well washed!. Had to have the zippers and upholstery buttons replaced on all 4 cushions plus an entirely new cushion for the largest one (of course). Total cost ~ $600 plus about 8 hours of work/aggravation to clean the cabin and covers. Lessons learned about being careful on even such simple jobs--PRICELESS! Charlie Nelson Water Phantom CC 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net Sent: Tue, May 19, 2015 10:08 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Stupid Club I left the oil cap off once. Ran the boat hard for 6 hours before I noticed. Also had the mess. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 10:23:50 PM Subject: Stus-List Rig - crack? Wally: I have no problem admitting to my mental limitationsif I were that smart, I wouldn't be sailing a 31 year old boat and I wouldn't be doing all of the maintenance/work myself. Possibly explains why I am a big fan of the CC list. Here's another example of 'stupid'..changed the engine oil last Fall just before haul outstarted the engine after the oil change but just long enough to hear the engine alarm go 'off'launched this Spring and went for a half hour motor before docking.noticed some oil in the bilgenow we get to the 'stupid'..forgot to put the oil cap back on the to of the engine last Fall after the oil changesome oil spurted out of the top of the engine and made a mess all the way to the bilge. Had a big clean up.I am a full member of the 'stupid club' and freely admit it! Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___
Re: Stus-List Stuffing box
I have two of these on board.easier to work with than ordinary pipe wrenches although I have tightened with pipe wrenches. http://www.westmarine.com/buy/seafit--adjustable-packing-nut-wrench--290280 Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-19 1:52 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List wrote: On the Buck Algonquin bronze stuffing boxes this works well: http://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/10-in-wide-opening-adjustable-wrench/A-p8306623e Handles about a 2 nut. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:43:34 -0300 From: Dr. Mark Bodnar drbod...@accesswave.ca To: CC list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stuffing box Message-ID: f81fda73-676b-4b54-9c4a-a640f0216...@accesswave.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 First sail/journey of the year. Bedford to Deep Cove in Mahoney Bay - approx 50 nautical miles. Left Bedford Yacht Club and motored out thru Halifax Barbour, around Chebucto Head and through Samboro passage - minimal wind and dead on the nose. Quite pleased with motor overall. I replaced a broken engine mount and the new one (a generic mount I modified to fit) was way better. Engine needs to be re-aligned - hopefully that will decrease vibration even more. Advice appreciated. I've read about it - difficult? On arrival my stuffing box was dripping a fair bit. Little more than 1 drop per second Tried to tighten but couldn't separate the 2 nuts. Sprayed a little PB Blaster - but I'll need a second wrench to counter with rather than spinning whole unit. Any suggestions? Are locking pliers OK? Mark CS 30 Prosecco ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Stupid Club
Being a full fledged member myself, I love the old saying There is a major difference between intelligence and stupidity; intelligence has its limits. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-20 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: David Let me guess. Shaft pulled back, shaft seal or stuffing box compromised, coupler detached and probable damage to strut and stern tube? Don’t ask me how I know. Suffice it to say that I also belong in the club. On the bright side insurance often covers Stupid and in this case it does. Mike Persistence Halifax *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David Lenehan via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:13 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* David Lenehan *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stupid Club This is such an interesting thread that I thought I'd expose myself to some laughter too. As a matter of added interest, I joined the Stupid Club on the day after I joined the Hypocrit's Club. Years ago I had a lovely long line that I decided I'd use as a genoa sheet. It was a beautiful length of brand new polyester braid back when polyester rope was still something of a novelty. I sat back and admired my work noting that the sheet was a bit longer than it needed to be. Not to worry, I told myself smugly, I'll sort that out later. The next morning we were motoring out for our race. I was a first year skipper in my first keel boat. We were far ahead in the standings and only had to finish this race to take home the silverware. I was dreaming of the glory instead of watching what everyone was doing. I instructed the crew to set up as we usually did and one of the inexperienced crew dropped the end of the genoa sheet over the side and didn't recover it immediately. Yes, you guessed it! It wrapped itself around the prop and the shaft shaft and we started taking on water. Large volumes of it. Didn't start the race, didn't take the trophy home and nearly didn't get the boat home either. The list of damage it caused is too long to tell but it cost a fortune and did some serious ego bashing. A host of lessons learned. Red faced for months, David On 20 May 2015 at 14:47, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I used my 7 litre Pela vacuum extractor to empty the sump on my 3QM30 one fall and then kicked it over on the way up the companionway. Had to yank the sole and swab out the engine compartment. About three hours as I recall. Nice! Rich On May 19, 2015, at 19:08, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I left the oil cap off once. Ran the boat hard for 6 hours before I noticed. Also had the mess. Chuck */Resolute/* 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md *From: *robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc: *robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca *Sent: *Thursday, May 14, 2015 10:23:50 PM *Subject: *Stus-List Rig - crack? Wally: I have no problem admitting to my mental limitationsif I were that smart, I wouldn't be sailing a 31 year old boat and I wouldn't be doing all of the maintenance/work myself. Possibly explains why I am a big fan of the CC list. Here's another example of 'stupid'..changed the engine oil last Fall just before haul outstarted the engine after the oil change but just long enough to hear the engine alarm go 'off'launched this Spring and went for a half hour motor before docking.noticed some oil in the bilgenow we get to the 'stupid'..forgot to put the oil cap back on the to of the engine last Fall after the oil changesome oil spurted out of the top of the engine and made a mess all the way to the bilge. Had a big clean up.I am a full member of the 'stupid club' and freely admit it! Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-14 11:04 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List wrote: you wrote: Steve: Instantly, now I feel stupid Welcome to the club. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:
Re: Stus-List mast step redo on a 30-1
In 2006 when I was delivering from Carrabelle, Fl to New Orleans my new to me 1971 CC 30, the mast step collapsed while under sail on Mobile Bay. The three plywood stringers supporting the wood plate on which the metal mast step rested failed. The step was rebuilt by Donnie Brennan in Mobile. Donnie has been the Boatwright for the US Olympic teams in China and England. I was not present during the re-build but Donnie described his method as follows. Using the remains of the stringers as templates, new stringers were cut from fiberglass laminate. He had to cut a section of the floor pan (my estimate is 3-4 inches wide) to allow him access to the turn of the hull in the bilge in order to be able to prepare the hull for glassing in the new stringers. With the new stringers glassed, he filled in the spaces between them with epoxy and filler, using a section of PVC pipe to leave access to the forward keel bolt through the epoxy fill. There is a similar description in the photo album under Do it Yourself, rebuilding a mast step on a 30Ft MK I Good Luck Ed Briar Patch CC 34 New Orleans On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'll soon have the mast out of my 1980 30-1 (for relocating her by truck) and want to forestall future mast step issues by redoing/strengthening it now. The mast was last out 8 years ago. I've never pulled the oak mast step base plate, so don't know what to anticipate underneath. Advice welcome, pictures very welcome. I'm imagining figuring out the necessary drainage and keel bolt access, then using epoxy-saturated oak board or McMaster Carr fiberglass sheets to built a new support step, and maybe filling in what I hear is a large empty area with micro-balloon slurry? She's an all-freshwater boat which sits in a cradle 7 months a year, which may be why its lasted this long with no signs of trouble yet. Nate Flesness Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Problem with reverse
Have had a similar issue. Increasing difficulty engaging forward but reverse no problem. Was able to shift easily at the transmission after disconnecting cable. Thought the swivel (cable to lever connection) was a bit grungy with rust cleaned that up and lubed, adjusted the cable to move lever another 3/16 or so to fully engage forward, lubed the cable topside with motorcycle cable lube spray and now all seems fine. Was expecting to have to replace the cables but think now it was just some binding. Cheers From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 4:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard Subject: Stus-List Problem with reverse Hi Steve, I run a 3GM30F with a Kanzaki transmission and had a similar issue. The problem was a situation where the putting the gear lever in the full reverse position did not quite fully engage reverse on the transmission. The cable was somehow out of adjustment and simple corrective adjustment did the trick. If I remember right, the adjustment closest to where the actual metal cable exits the sheath was the right one to use / had much more range than the other near the shift lever on the transmission (I tried both). The fix: Move the trans shift lever all the way to the reverse stopping point by hand / adjust the cable until it pulls (Or push? ) it all the way to the stop as well. The Yanmar manual explains the operation of the lever very clearly, you can download online easily for free. I had also read that dirty trans oil could be a culprit as well so I changed that too. I read that even if the oil on the dipstick looks pristine, the bottom of the sump can be filled with gunk ( Mine was pretty bad) Unlike what you read on the internet forum, the oil recommended by Yanmar is regular motor oil. No need for straight weight either. When used in a variety of temps (I sail all year long) they recommend good ol' 10 W 30. The transmission oil change is a simple 20 minutes affair of putting a pan under the trans / removing the plug / drain / refill. That fixed it perfectly for me.. Good luck with it. Best regards, -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, GA Hello all, Diamond Girl launched on the weekend. All is good except for going backwards . . . It only kicked in when I revved the engine fairly high. Happened two more times. So here is some back ground and my questions: Yanmar 3GM engine, exc condition, well maintained, 450 hrs. Variprop 2 blade 7 years old, last relubed 2014 with spec grease, manuf calls for every 5 years. I did not relube this year, did not think it needed it. I also redid stuffing box packing this year, drip rate looks good but could it be binding and not allowing tranny to go into reverse gear? I am not familiar with the gearbox on this engine. Any thoughts on possible causes and fixes now that the boat is in the water? Thanks Steve Hood S/V Diamond Girl CC 34 Lions Head ON Regards _ François Rivard 4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw Big Data Black Belt Atlanta, 30327-3015 IBM Sales Distribution, Software Sales Usa Mobile: 770-639-0429 e-mail: jfriv...@us.ibm.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Stuffing box
Oh nohere we go again'tie bar' versus 'through bolt and now 'an adjustable packing nut wrench' versus 'an adjustable slip nut wrench'..I prefer the Home Depot version over West Marine because of the price.and I don't really care what the tool is called. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-20 12:15 PM, Sean Richardson via CnC-List wrote: That's actually a plumbers slip nut wrench and what I used on my recent repack..worked like a charm. $3.36 @ Homedepot. http://www.homedepot.ca/product/brasscraft-adjustable-slip-nut-wrench/909063 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM, robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have two of these on board.easier to work with than ordinary pipe wrenches although I have tightened with pipe wrenches. http://www.westmarine.com/buy/seafit--adjustable-packing-nut-wrench--290280 Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-19 1:52 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List wrote: On the Buck Algonquin bronze stuffing boxes this works well: http://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/10-in-wide-opening-adjustable-wrench/A-p8306623e Handles about a 2 nut. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:43:34 -0300 From: Dr. Mark Bodnar drbod...@accesswave.ca mailto:drbod...@accesswave.ca To: CC list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stuffing box Message-ID: f81fda73-676b-4b54-9c4a-a640f0216...@accesswave.ca mailto:f81fda73-676b-4b54-9c4a-a640f0216...@accesswave.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 First sail/journey of the year. Bedford to Deep Cove in Mahoney Bay - approx 50 nautical miles. Left Bedford Yacht Club and motored out thru Halifax Barbour, around Chebucto Head and through Samboro passage - minimal wind and dead on the nose. Quite pleased with motor overall. I replaced a broken engine mount and the new one (a generic mount I modified to fit) was way better. Engine needs to be re-aligned - hopefully that will decrease vibration even more. Advice appreciated. I've read about it - difficult? On arrival my stuffing box was dripping a fair bit. Little more than 1 drop per second Tried to tighten but couldn't separate the 2 nuts. Sprayed a little PB Blaster - but I'll need a second wrench to counter with rather than spinning whole unit. Any suggestions? Are locking pliers OK? Mark CS 30 Prosecco ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stupid Club
Amen. Life is tough, it's harder when you are stupid. And, You cant fix stupid. Just when you think something is idiot proof, along comes an improved idiot. I am on the 4th assembly of a VW engine for doing stupid stuff. The best part about doing sstupithings is you get to laugh at your self later over a beer. I had to go diving in Nanaimo to cut loose my dinghy painter. Did I mention no wet suit, goggles, or snorkel? The second time for a.bow line I hired a diver. Cost me $100 worth every penny. Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message--From: robert via CnC-ListDate: Wed, May 20, 2015 06:43To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: robert;Subject:Stus-List Stupid Club Being a full fledged member myself, I love the old saying There isa major difference between intelligence and stupidity; intelligencehas its limits. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-20 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: David Let me guess. Shaft pulled back, shaft seal or stuffing box compromised, coupler detached and probable damage to strutand stern tube? Don’task me how I know. Suffice it to say that I also belong inthe club. Onthe bright side insurance often covers Stupid and in thiscase it does. MikePersistenceHalifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of David Lenehan via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David Lenehan Subject: Re: Stus-List Stupid Club This is such an interestingthread that I thought I'd expose myself to some laughtertoo. As a matter of added interest, I joined the StupidClub on the day after I joined the Hypocrit's Club. Years ago I had a lovely long line that I decided I'd use as a genoa sheet. It was a beautiful length ofbrand new polyester braid back when polyester rope wasstill something of a novelty. I sat back and admired mywork noting that the sheet was a bit longer than itneeded to be. Not to worry, I told myself smugly, I'll sort that out later.The next morning we were motoring out for our race. I was a first year skipper in my first keel boat. We were far ahead in thestandings and only had to finish this race to take homethe silverware. I was dreaming of the glory instead ofwatching what everyone was doing. I instructed the crewto set up as we usually did and one of the inexperiencedcrew dropped the end of the genoa sheet over the sideand didn't recover it immediately. Yes, you guessed it! Itwrapped itself around the prop and the shaft shaft andwe started taking on water. Large volumes of it. Didn't start the race, didn't take the trophy home andnearly didn't get the boat home either. The list ofdamage it caused is too long to tell but it cost a fortune and did some serious ego bashing. A host of lessons learned.Redfaced for months,David On 20 May 2015 at 14:47, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I used my 7 litre Pela vacuumextractor to empty the sump on my 3QM30 one fall andthen kicked it over on the way up the companionway. Hadto yank the sole and swab out the engine compartment.About three hours as I recall. Nice! Rich On May 19, 2015, at 19:08, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I left the oil cap off once. Ran the boat hard
Stus-List mast step redo on a 30-1
I'll soon have the mast out of my 1980 30-1 (for relocating her by truck) and want to forestall future mast step issues by redoing/strengthening it now. The mast was last out 8 years ago. I've never pulled the oak mast step base plate, so don't know what to anticipate underneath. Advice welcome, pictures very welcome. I'm imagining figuring out the necessary drainage and keel bolt access, then using epoxy-saturated oak board or McMaster Carr fiberglass sheets to built a new support step, and maybe filling in what I hear is a large empty area with micro-balloon slurry? She's an all-freshwater boat which sits in a cradle 7 months a year, which may be why its lasted this long with no signs of trouble yet. Nate Flesness Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Off Topic advice
For those of you who own homes with sump pumps check your insurance policy and be sure you have a rider for water damage due to sump pump failure! Luckily, I had one, but the coverage may not be adequate. The sailing gear and other important stuff was mostly on shelves. -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stuffing box
they're kind of flimsy and probably not the best for breaking loose a really stubborn jam nut. Regardless of what it’s proper name is I'm sure you'll quickly come up with many colorful alternatives the first time it slips off and skins your knuckles. On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:51 PM, robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Oh nohere we go again'tie bar' versus 'through bolt and now 'an adjustable packing nut wrench' versus 'an adjustable slip nut wrench'..I prefer the Home Depot version over West Marine because of the price.and I don't really care what the tool is called. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-20 12:15 PM, Sean Richardson via CnC-List wrote: That's actually a plumbers slip nut wrench and what I used on my recent repack..worked like a charm. $3.36 @ Homedepot. http://www.homedepot.ca/product/brasscraft-adjustable-slip-nut-wrench/909063 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM, robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have two of these on board.easier to work with than ordinary pipe wrenches although I have tightened with pipe wrenches. http://www.westmarine.com/buy/seafit--adjustable-packing-nut-wrench--290280 Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-19 1:52 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List wrote: On the Buck Algonquin bronze stuffing boxes this works well: http://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/10-in-wide-opening-adjustable-wrench/A-p8306623e Handles about a 2 nut. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:43:34 -0300 From: Dr. Mark Bodnar drbod...@accesswave.ca drbod...@accesswave.ca To: CC list cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stuffing box Message-ID: f81fda73-676b-4b54-9c4a-a640f0216...@accesswave.ca f81fda73-676b-4b54-9c4a-a640f0216...@accesswave.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 First sail/journey of the year. Bedford to Deep Cove in Mahoney Bay - approx 50 nautical miles. Left Bedford Yacht Club and motored out thru Halifax Barbour, around Chebucto Head and through Samboro passage - minimal wind and dead on the nose. Quite pleased with motor overall. I replaced a broken engine mount and the new one (a generic mount I modified to fit) was way better. Engine needs to be re-aligned - hopefully that will decrease vibration even more. Advice appreciated. I've read about it - difficult? On arrival my stuffing box was dripping a fair bit. Little more than 1 drop per second Tried to tighten but couldn't separate the 2 nuts. Sprayed a little PB Blaster - but I'll need a second wrench to counter with rather than spinning whole unit. Any suggestions? Are locking pliers OK? Mark CS 30 Prosecco ___ Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Stanchion Legs For Gates...
Anybody know a source for stanchion legs for our toerails? Thanks in advance. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport
Harry, I missed a step somewhere. Which CC is Mirage? It looks like a 41. Ray Shibe 1984 CC 41 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 01:10 PM, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List wrote: Mike, Backstay, vang and babystay are all hydraulic. The panel is on the aft side of the bridge deck at the traveller. Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2015, at 08:33, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Harry Pretty boat. I love the look of the massive reverse transom. How do you adjust the backstay though? Step ladder? Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:04 PM To: CC List Cc: Pierre Tremblay Subject: Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport Here some pictures of Mirage https://www.flickr.com/gp/77363625@N06/jN790G https://www.flickr.com/gp/77363625@N06/jN790G Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 De : Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com mailto:hhallgr...@icloud.com À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc : Pierre Tremblay tremblay.pie...@yahoo.ca mailto:tremblay.pie...@yahoo.ca Envoyé le : mardi 19 mai 2015 9h09 Objet : Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport Thanks for the kind words Pierre! Here are a few shots from Sunday's VOR leg start. We were on Alvimedica's chase boat...great day! https://www.flickr.com/photos/46147579@N08/sets/72157652015578858 https://www.flickr.com/photos/46147579@N08/sets/72157652015578858 Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2015, at 09:55, Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I saw Harry's Mirage in Newport during the VOR weekend. Nicest boat on the water. Will post pictures somewhere and email the link to the list. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Back stay chain plate
Hello all My back stay chainplate needs attention please take a look at the pic. I plan on doing the work myself Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thanks Dan Grant Puffin 1970 c and c corvette Hull 148 Ipswich MA https://www.dropbox.com/s/4o8yi069rmdgpx0/image.jpg?dl=0 Sent from my iPhone ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport
Jean-François, the Mirage you are refering to on YachtWorld is from the manufacturer Mirage. Harry's Mirage is a CC Northeast 39. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 De : Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc : Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com Envoyé le : mercredi 20 mai 2015 15h27 Objet : Stus-List Mirage in Newport Hi Harry, That's correct I don't know which modelyou have, in any case it's really pretty and I loved your Newport VOR videos. Here's the Mirage I looked at on Yachtworld: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/Mirage-Yachts-39-Sloop-2431533/Kingston/Canada#.VVzdEE1FAkI Here's a 34 plus like mine: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/C%26C-34-Plus-2698751/Buffalo/NY/United-States#.VVzdXU1FAkI Many similarities in the design. Bothlook great (I'm biased) Have a great day. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia Message: 3 Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 13:14:03 -0400 From: Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comcnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport Message-ID: baf3752f-6d4a-47eb-bbc9-335493001...@icloud.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Francois, Maybe a different model you are seeing.Mine doesn't have a wing or scoop?? Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2015, at 10:55, Jean-FrancoisJ Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Francois ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Back stay chain plate
Dan, When the backstay chainplate on Pegasus started to crack and seperate. I removed it after using the main halyard to keep tension on forestay. I took it to a machine shop and had one made from solid stainless, I also had the machinist cut off the section where the halyard attached. I used this piece as a backing plat for the new chain plate. New longer bolts and I wasback sailing. Another reason for the new plate was, the old one had a 3/8 hole for the halyard clevis (it was bent) and the fitting on the backstay had a 1/2 hole. Now it is all 1/2. Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message--From: Dan via CnC-List Date: Wed, May 20, 2015 13:43To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Dan;Subject:Stus-List Back stay chain plateHello all My back stay chainplate needs attention please take a look at the pic.I plan on doing the work myself Any advice is greatly appreciated!Thanks Dan GrantPuffin 1970 c and c corvette Hull 148 Ipswich MAhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/4o8yi069rmdgpx0/image.jpg?dl=0Sent from my iPhone___Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List mast step redo on a 30-1
Nate, your 30 is the same year as mine, so I would surmise they are built the same. Mine is #593. There are three crosswise stringers under the oak plate. The aluminum box is attached to the oak by long screws and the oak plate is attached with six long screws. The oak comes off easily. Depending on how dry your bilge has been kept, the stringers may or may not be weakened. If so, the fixes have ranged from removal and replacement to just strengthening. I went the strengthening route and framed each stringer with a bit of foam board and drilled a bunch of holes in each and filled with G-Flex up to the level of the oak. No movement in about five years. The problem is that the factory didn't encapsulate the stringers (which are made up of two pieces of 3/4 plywood each) on the bottom, and when the bilge is wet, they soak up moisture and get waterlogged. There's glass just on the sides. Some fixers have just put a large horizontal tube for drainage and another for access to the forward keel bolt and then filled the whole cavity with some sort of filler (microballoons, etc.). You could just fill the lowest part so that your bilge pump keeps things dry, but to get all the water out, the pump has to be in the lowest part of the sump - under the mast. Inaccessible. Another bypass fix would be to put in a bilge drain. My boat had that, and foolishly I filled up that area. I should have replaced it with one which is flush to the outside, then for half of the year, the bilge is totally dry. I don't have pictures, but when you take the screws out of the oak, it will be pretty obvious what is there. Good luck, email if you have questions, I have been down the road twice. Gary Nylander Maryland gnylan...@atlanticbb.net - Original Message - From: Nate Flesness via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Nate Flesness Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:12 PM Subject: Stus-List mast step redo on a 30-1 I'll soon have the mast out of my 1980 30-1 (for relocating her by truck) and want to forestall future mast step issues by redoing/strengthening it now. The mast was last out 8 years ago. I've never pulled the oak mast step base plate, so don't know what to anticipate underneath. Advice welcome, pictures very welcome. I'm imagining figuring out the necessary drainage and keel bolt access, then using epoxy-saturated oak board or McMaster Carr fiberglass sheets to built a new support step, and maybe filling in what I hear is a large empty area with micro-balloon slurry? She's an all-freshwater boat which sits in a cradle 7 months a year, which may be why its lasted this long with no signs of trouble yet. Nate Flesness Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Back stay chain plate
Martin The mast is not up The boat is in my yard What is the name of this museum and or who do I contact Thanks!! -Dan Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Dan, Is the mast up? If so is there tension on the back stay? If so ease it off slowly... My advice is not to load up the back stay until the amount of damage to the chain plate is known. That is a frightening picture. Do you have the original drawings from the Marine Museum? If not they may have a drawing of what is under that fiberglass. They are able to send digital copies quickly, paper takes longer. IIRC they search by boat type and size. How good is the access to that space? If you are still in a DIY mood and fit back there I recommend you purchase a tyvek suit, full face dust mask, and a 4 to 5 grinder. Save what you can to use as a pattern to have a new chain plate manufactured. Use epoxy not polyester to bond in and re-laminate the area. Sailing Anarchy's Fixit Forum has several good threads going on now and recently major boat repairs including chain plates and other major structures. Once you sort out the less than useful comments there is some very good boat repair information there. West Systems' web site also has related how to videos and documents. Calypso's co-owner and I are 2 years into some major repair/restore projects on our Bruckmann built CC. Many things were done well during the build. Keeping water from leaking around deck penetrations was not one of the areas of excellence made worse by lack of maintenance over the decades. The good news is the boat is worth the effort. Good luck, Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dan via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 1:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Dan Subject: Stus-List Back stay chain plate Hello all My back stay chainplate needs attention please take a look at the pic. I plan on doing the work myself Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thanks Dan Grant Puffin 1970 c and c corvette Hull 148 Ipswich MA https://www.dropbox.com/s/4o8yi069rmdgpx0/image.jpg?dl=0 Sent from my iPhone ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Mirage in Newport
Hi Harry, That's correct I don't know which model you have, in any case it's really pretty and I loved your Newport VOR videos. Here's the Mirage I looked at on Yachtworld: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/Mirage-Yachts-39-Sloop-2431533/Kingston/Canada#.VVzdEE1FAkI Here's a 34 plus like mine: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/C%26C-34-Plus-2698751/Buffalo/NY/United-States#.VVzdXU1FAkI Many similarities in the design. Both look great (I'm biased) Have a great day. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia Message: 3 Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 13:14:03 -0400 From: Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport Message-ID: baf3752f-6d4a-47eb-bbc9-335493001...@icloud.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Francois, Maybe a different model you are seeing. Mine doesn't have a wing or scoop?? Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2015, at 10:55, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Francois ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Back stay chain plate
Dan, Here is the contact info I used: Sandrena Raymond Curator Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston (613) 542-2261 | cura...@marmuseum.ca IIRC it cost $10.00 per copy (either digital or paper). I purchased both for most of the drawings then switched to digital only for a few extra once I reviewed each drawing. I purchased everything they could find related to the 1970's CC 43's and a few for the CC 61. (the early 61 and 43's had similar build details). The additional information found on the drawings, especially the hand written notes and elements added in later hulls to correct issues found after a few years of use (Calypso is hull #1) was worth every cent of the cost. If you are interested in the source of the drawings (the CC archives) and other background info on the drawings I found several emails from the museum listed here back in 2012. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dan via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:38 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Dan Subject: Re: Stus-List Back stay chain plate Martin The mast is not up The boat is in my yard What is the name of this museum and or who do I contact Thanks!! -Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport
Ray, I have the 41's red headed stepchild, the Northeast 39...very similar. Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2015, at 15:46, RAYMOND SHIBE via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Harry, I missed a step somewhere. Which CC is Mirage? It looks like a 41. Ray Shibe 1984 CC 41 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 01:10 PM, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List wrote: Mike, Backstay, vang and babystay are all hydraulic. The panel is on the aft side of the bridge deck at the traveller. Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2015, at 08:33, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Harry Pretty boat. I love the look of the massive reverse transom. How do you adjust the backstay though? Step ladder? Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:04 PM To: CC List Cc: Pierre Tremblay Subject: Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport Here some pictures of Mirage https://www.flickr.com/gp/77363625@N06/jN790G Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 De : Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc : Pierre Tremblay tremblay.pie...@yahoo.ca Envoyé le : mardi 19 mai 2015 9h09 Objet : Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport Thanks for the kind words Pierre! Here are a few shots from Sunday's VOR leg start. We were on Alvimedica's chase boat...great day! https://www.flickr.com/photos/46147579@N08/sets/72157652015578858 Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2015, at 09:55, Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I saw Harry's Mirage in Newport during the VOR weekend. Nicest boat on the water. Will post pictures somewhere and email the link to the list. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List mast step redo on a 30-1
I recall reading somewhere who knows where ... that CC changed at some point from plywood to fiberglass for the mast step stringers (or perhaps it was just encapsulating them entirely in glass. Can anyone confirm that and if so when it occurred? On the 30’s we looked at (when we ultimately got the 27) you could reach into the bilge and under the arch of the stringer ... so even without pulling the mast, probing with an awl would give you a good idea how bad things are. Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet CC 27 MkIII From: Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:58 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Gary Nylander Subject: Re: Stus-List mast step redo on a 30-1 Nate, your 30 is the same year as mine, so I would surmise they are built the same. Mine is #593. There are three crosswise stringers under the oak plate. The aluminum box is attached to the oak by long screws and the oak plate is attached with six long screws. The oak comes off easily. Depending on how dry your bilge has been kept, the stringers may or may not be weakened. If so, the fixes have ranged from removal and replacement to just strengthening. I went the strengthening route and framed each stringer with a bit of foam board and drilled a bunch of holes in each and filled with G-Flex up to the level of the oak. No movement in about five years. The problem is that the factory didn't encapsulate the stringers (which are made up of two pieces of 3/4 plywood each) on the bottom, and when the bilge is wet, they soak up moisture and get waterlogged. There's glass just on the sides. Some fixers have just put a large horizontal tube for drainage and another for access to the forward keel bolt and then filled the whole cavity with some sort of filler (microballoons, etc.). You could just fill the lowest part so that your bilge pump keeps things dry, but to get all the water out, the pump has to be in the lowest part of the sump - under the mast. Inaccessible. Another bypass fix would be to put in a bilge drain. My boat had that, and foolishly I filled up that area. I should have replaced it with one which is flush to the outside, then for half of the year, the bilge is totally dry. I don't have pictures, but when you take the screws out of the oak, it will be pretty obvious what is there. Good luck, email if you have questions, I have been down the road twice. Gary Nylander Maryland gnylan...@atlanticbb.net - Original Message - From: Nate Flesness via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Nate Flesness Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:12 PM Subject: Stus-List mast step redo on a 30-1 I'll soon have the mast out of my 1980 30-1 (for relocating her by truck) and want to forestall future mast step issues by redoing/strengthening it now. The mast was last out 8 years ago. I've never pulled the oak mast step base plate, so don't know what to anticipate underneath. Advice welcome, pictures very welcome. I'm imagining figuring out the necessary drainage and keel bolt access, then using epoxy-saturated oak board or McMaster Carr fiberglass sheets to built a new support step, and maybe filling in what I hear is a large empty area with micro-balloon slurry? She's an all-freshwater boat which sits in a cradle 7 months a year, which may be why its lasted this long with no signs of trouble yet. Nate Flesness Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Back stay chain plate
Dan, Is the mast up? If so is there tension on the back stay? If so ease it off slowly... My advice is not to load up the back stay until the amount of damage to the chain plate is known. That is a frightening picture. Do you have the original drawings from the Marine Museum? If not they may have a drawing of what is under that fiberglass. They are able to send digital copies quickly, paper takes longer. IIRC they search by boat type and size. How good is the access to that space? If you are still in a DIY mood and fit back there I recommend you purchase a tyvek suit, full face dust mask, and a 4 to 5 grinder. Save what you can to use as a pattern to have a new chain plate manufactured. Use epoxy not polyester to bond in and re-laminate the area. Sailing Anarchy's Fixit Forum has several good threads going on now and recently major boat repairs including chain plates and other major structures. Once you sort out the less than useful comments there is some very good boat repair information there. West Systems' web site also has related how to videos and documents. Calypso's co-owner and I are 2 years into some major repair/restore projects on our Bruckmann built CC. Many things were done well during the build. Keeping water from leaking around deck penetrations was not one of the areas of excellence made worse by lack of maintenance over the decades. The good news is the boat is worth the effort. Good luck, Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dan via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 1:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Dan Subject: Stus-List Back stay chain plate Hello all My back stay chainplate needs attention please take a look at the pic. I plan on doing the work myself Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thanks Dan Grant Puffin 1970 c and c corvette Hull 148 Ipswich MA https://www.dropbox.com/s/4o8yi069rmdgpx0/image.jpg?dl=0 Sent from my iPhone ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Are original LF38 thru hulls in contact with coring?
Patrick, I recently replaced 8 thru-hulls, 8 seacocks, and 2 transducers on my LF38. Yes, Wally’s site is a great resource. I reamed back the coring and filled with thickened epoxy. While the hull is cored with balsa, the region where the thru-hulls are is cored with marine plywood. Thankfully, removing the old thru-hulls showed dry coring, so I guess they were originally sealed well. I found two thru-hulls with threads red and very pitted, and they were likely close to failing. Removing the thru-hulls are easy with the correct tool, so I suggest that you at least check all of them.But with wet decaying backing plates, I would not wait... I have not gotten around to write anything up yet, but I do have a bunch of photos tossed online: https://www.flickr.com/photos/dreuge/sets/72157652746226231 - Paul E. 1981 CC 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On May 20, 2015, at 2:56 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 11:18:36 -0700 From: Patrick Davin jda...@gmail.com mailto:jda...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Are original LF38 thru hulls in contact with coring? Message-ID: CAHixY6TL3Xog-g=Nh9EVcEaxoXKmHNtpUj+fJ+4w=kug10u...@mail.gmail.com mailto:CAHixY6TL3Xog-g=Nh9EVcEaxoXKmHNtpUj+fJ+4w=kug10u...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 My first haul out is coming up in 3 weeks, just for a few days to do some small tasks like unsticking a seized seacock and maybe installing a new speed transducer (old Datamarine one is somewhat broken). I've read Wally's site cover to cover and know he redid his thru hulls reaming out some core and filling with epoxy (and even glassing over). But were all model years constructed without that done or did later CCs start sealing their thru hulls better? It's surprising to me that they wouldn't have protected the core out of the factory. Do I need to inspect all thru hulls or only prior-owner installed ones? I might postpone this till the fall since it'll be a big job, just wondering if it's worth pulling one now (even that I don't expect to be easy). If all cored CCs were installed with coring abutting the thruhull, I'm surprised it doesn't sound like everyone has redone them (it looks like only 2 or 3 people have asked about it on the list - although more may have done it). Or is the concern overdone? From the standpoint of don't mess with it if it ain't broke maybe it's better to just do nothing. Except that the plywood backing plates are wet/decayed, so eventually I'll need to at least do something with those (which may or may not involve replacing the seacock and thruhull too). -Patrick 1984 LF38 Violet Hour Seattle, WA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 40 Prop Shaft
A friend is in need of replacing his shaft on an 83 CC 40, would anyone have an idea of the length? I believe it is the original Yanmar. Another friend who is replacing it would like to be able to do a quick swap out while it is hanging in the slings rather than removing, measuring, waiting, installing, etc, over several days. Thanks Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:24 PM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List Stupid Club There's stupid and then there's stpid. :) Famous quote from US Army Reserve General Honore' We're stuck on stupid. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:27 AM, svpegasu...@gmail.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Amen. Life is tough, it's harder when you are stupid. And, You cant fix stupid. Just when you think something is idiot proof, along comes an improved idiot. I am on the 4th assembly of a VW engine for doing stupid stuff. The best part about doing sstupithings is you get to laugh at your self later over a beer. I had to go diving in Nanaimo to cut loose my dinghy painter. Did I mention no wet suit, goggles, or snorkel? The second time for a.bow line I hired a diver. Cost me $100 worth every penny. Doug Mountjoy svPegasus LF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message-- From: robert via CnC-List Date: Wed, May 20, 2015 06:43 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Cc: robert; Subject:Stus-List Stupid Club Being a full fledged member myself, I love the old saying There is a major difference between intelligence and stupidity; intelligence has its limits. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-20 9 tel:2015-05-20%209 :28 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: David Let me guess. Shaft pulled back, shaft seal or stuffing box compromised, coupler detached and probable damage to strut and stern tube? Don’t ask me how I know. Suffice it to say that I also belong in the club. On the bright side insurance often covers Stupid and in this case it does. Mike Persistence Halifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Lenehan via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David Lenehan Subject: Re: Stus-List Stupid Club This is such an interesting thread that I thought I'd expose myself to some laughter too. As a matter of added interest, I joined the Stupid Club on the day after I joined the Hypocrit's Club. Years ago I had a lovely long line that I decided I'd use as a genoa sheet. It was a beautiful length of brand new polyester braid back when polyester rope was still something of a novelty. I sat back and admired my work noting that the sheet was a bit longer than it needed to be. Not to worry, I told myself smugly, I'll sort that out later. The next morning we were motoring out for our race. I was a first year skipper in my first keel boat. We were far ahead in the standings and only had to finish this race to take home the silverware. I was dreaming of the glory instead of watching what everyone was doing. I instructed the crew to set up as we usually did and one of the inexperienced crew dropped the end of the genoa sheet over the side and didn't recover it immediately. Yes, you guessed it! It wrapped itself around the prop and the shaft shaft and we started taking on water. Large volumes of it. Didn't start the race, didn't take the trophy home and nearly didn't get the boat home either. The list of damage it caused is too long to tell but it cost a fortune and did some serious ego bashing. A host of lessons learned. Red faced for months, David On 20 May 2015 at 14:47, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I used my 7 litre Pela vacuum extractor to empty the sump on my 3QM30 one fall and then kicked it over on the way up the companionway. Had to yank the sole and swab out the engine compartment. About three hours as I recall. Nice! Rich On May 19, 2015, at 19:08, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I left the oil cap off once. Ran the boat hard for 6 hours before I noticed. Also had the mess. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 10:23:50 PM Subject: Stus-List Rig - crack? Wally: I have no problem admitting to my mental limitationsif I were that smart, I wouldn't be sailing a 31 year old boat and I wouldn't be doing all of the maintenance/work myself. Possibly explains why I am a big fan of the CC list. Here's another example of 'stupid'..changed the engine oil last Fall just before haul outstarted the engine after the oil change but just long enough to hear the engine alarm go
Stus-List Stuffing box
Sean: I was being facetious ...mine were bought at the Binnacle, a marine retailer, and not Home Depot.and they have never slipped off and skinned my knuclkes. Rob On 2015-05-20 2:35 PM, Sean Richardson via CnC-List wrote: they're kind of flimsy and probably not the best for breaking loose a really stubborn jam nut. Regardless of what it’s proper name is I'm sure you'll quickly come up with many colorful alternatives the first time it slips off and skins your knuckles. On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:51 PM, robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Oh nohere we go again'tie bar' versus 'through bolt and now 'an adjustable packing nut wrench' versus 'an adjustable slip nut wrench'..I prefer the Home Depot version over West Marine because of the price.and I don't really care what the tool is called. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-20 12:15 PM, Sean Richardson via CnC-List wrote: That's actually a plumbers slip nut wrench and what I used on my recent repack..worked like a charm. $3.36 @ Homedepot. http://www.homedepot.ca/product/brasscraft-adjustable-slip-nut-wrench/909063 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM, robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have two of these on board.easier to work with than ordinary pipe wrenches although I have tightened with pipe wrenches. http://www.westmarine.com/buy/seafit--adjustable-packing-nut-wrench--290280 Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-19 1:52 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List wrote: On the Buck Algonquin bronze stuffing boxes this works well: http://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/10-in-wide-opening-adjustable-wrench/A-p8306623e Handles about a 2 nut. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:43:34 -0300 From: Dr. Mark Bodnar drbod...@accesswave.ca mailto:drbod...@accesswave.ca To: CC list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stuffing box Message-ID: f81fda73-676b-4b54-9c4a-a640f0216...@accesswave.ca mailto:f81fda73-676b-4b54-9c4a-a640f0216...@accesswave.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 First sail/journey of the year. Bedford to Deep Cove in Mahoney Bay - approx 50 nautical miles. Left Bedford Yacht Club and motored out thru Halifax Barbour, around Chebucto Head and through Samboro passage - minimal wind and dead on the nose. Quite pleased with motor overall. I replaced a broken engine mount and the new one (a generic mount I modified to fit) was way better. Engine needs to be re-aligned - hopefully that will decrease vibration even more. Advice appreciated. I've read about it - difficult? On arrival my stuffing box was dripping a fair bit. Little more than 1 drop per second Tried to tighten but couldn't separate the 2 nuts. Sprayed a little PB Blaster - but I'll need a second wrench to counter with rather than spinning whole unit. Any suggestions? Are locking pliers OK? Mark CS 30 Prosecco ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List mast step redo on a 30-1
SEE ABOVE ED On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Edward Levert weeselev...@gmail.com wrote: In 2006 when I was delivering from Carrabelle, Fl to New Orleans my new to me 1971 CC 30, the mast step collapsed while under sail on Mobile Bay. The three plywood stringers supporting the wood plate on which the metal mast step rested failed. The step was rebuilt by Donnie Brennan in Mobile. Donnie has been the Boatwright for the US Olympic teams in China and England. I was not present during the re-build but Donnie described his method as follows. Using the remains of the stringers as templates, new stringers were cut from fiberglass laminate. He had to cut a section of the floor pan (my estimate is 3-4 inches wide) to allow him access to the turn of the hull in the bilge in order to be able to prepare the hull for glassing in the new stringers. With the new stringers glassed, he filled in the spaces between them with epoxy and filler, using a section of PVC pipe to leave access to the forward keel bolt through the epoxy fill. There is a similar description in the photo album under Do it Yourself, rebuilding a mast step on a 30Ft MK I Good Luck Ed Briar Patch CC 34 New Orleans On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'll soon have the mast out of my 1980 30-1 (for relocating her by truck) and want to forestall future mast step issues by redoing/strengthening it now. The mast was last out 8 years ago. I've never pulled the oak mast step base plate, so don't know what to anticipate underneath. Advice welcome, pictures very welcome. I'm imagining figuring out the necessary drainage and keel bolt access, then using epoxy-saturated oak board or McMaster Carr fiberglass sheets to built a new support step, and maybe filling in what I hear is a large empty area with micro-balloon slurry? She's an all-freshwater boat which sits in a cradle 7 months a year, which may be why its lasted this long with no signs of trouble yet. Nate Flesness Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stanchion Legs For Gates...
Tried them. Want to bolt base to toerail and not the deck. Less holes and all that. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:06:20 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stanchion Legs For Gates... From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: joel.aron...@gmail.com South Shore Yachts in Toronto? On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:02 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Anybody know a source for stanchion legs for our toerails? Thanks in advance. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stanchion Legs For Gates...
South Shore Yachts in Toronto? On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:02 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Anybody know a source for stanchion legs for our toerails? Thanks in advance. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stuffing box
Thanks. I'll look for that wrench or the Princess auto option. My cresent wrench wouldn't open far enough so I was trying with a single channel lock wrench - no luck. Had a friend check the boat yesterday - sounds like the drips slowed way down - only a 1/4" of water under engine in 18 hrs - so might not even need tightening. Maybe the stuffing box was just dried out and needed to let in some water until it re-absorbed water and swelled back up. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 2015-05-20 12:15 PM, Sean Richardson via CnC-List wrote: That's actually a plumbers slip nut wrench and what I used on my recent repack..worked like a charm. $3.36 @ Homedepot. http://www.homedepot.ca/product/brasscraft-adjustable-slip-nut-wrench/909063 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM, robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have two of these on board.easier to work with than ordinary pipe wrenches although I have tightened with pipe wrenches. http://www.westmarine.com/buy/seafit--adjustable-packing-nut-wrench--290280 Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-19 1:52 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List wrote: On the Buck Algonquin bronze stuffing boxes this works well: http://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/10-in-wide-opening-adjustable-wrench/A-p8306623e Handles about a 2" nut. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:43:34 -0300 From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" drbod...@accesswave.ca To: CC list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stuffing box Message-ID: f81fda73-676b-4b54-9c4a-a640f0216...@accesswave.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" First sail/journey of the year. Bedford to Deep Cove in Mahoney Bay - approx 50 nautical miles. Left Bedford Yacht Club and motored out thru Halifax Barbour, around Chebucto Head and through Samboro passage - minimal wind and dead on the nose. Quite pleased with motor overall. I replaced a broken engine mount and the new one (a generic mount I modified to fit) was way better. Engine needs to be re-aligned - hopefully that will decrease vibration even more. Advice appreciated. I've read about it - difficult? On arrival my stuffing box was dripping a fair bit. Little more than 1 drop per second Tried to tighten but couldn't separate the 2 nuts. Sprayed a little PB Blaster - but I'll need a second wrench to counter with rather than spinning whole unit. Any suggestions? Are locking pliers OK? Mark CS 30 Prosecco ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list
Stus-List Are original LF38 thru hulls in contact with coring?
My first haul out is coming up in 3 weeks, just for a few days to do some small tasks like unsticking a seized seacock and maybe installing a new speed transducer (old Datamarine one is somewhat broken). I've read Wally's site cover to cover and know he redid his thru hulls reaming out some core and filling with epoxy (and even glassing over). But were all model years constructed without that done or did later CCs start sealing their thru hulls better? It's surprising to me that they wouldn't have protected the core out of the factory. Do I need to inspect all thru hulls or only prior-owner installed ones? I might postpone this till the fall since it'll be a big job, just wondering if it's worth pulling one now (even that I don't expect to be easy). If all cored CCs were installed with coring abutting the thruhull, I'm surprised it doesn't sound like everyone has redone them (it looks like only 2 or 3 people have asked about it on the list - although more may have done it). Or is the concern overdone? From the standpoint of don't mess with it if it ain't broke maybe it's better to just do nothing. Except that the plywood backing plates are wet/decayed, so eventually I'll need to at least do something with those (which may or may not involve replacing the seacock and thruhull too). -Patrick 1984 LF38 Violet Hour Seattle, WA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stupid Club
The boat was Windborne, Fred. I'm in Australia. On 21 May 2015 at 08:33, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: David — do you live in Australia, or is “Down Under” the name of your (formerly nearly sunk) boat? :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On May 20, 2015, at 5:21 PM, David Lenehan via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: David (Down Under) ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport
This afternoon I meet a buddy who used to own and race a 41’ and took him over to the yard to see the new paint. He loved it! He did slap me soundly about the head when we were looking at my mast and asked if I was going to paint it white. I ventured that it might not be in the cards ($$) and he said that it would look “stupid” with the aluminum mast with that hull color and the white bottom paint. I agreed with him. More boat bucks… Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On May 20, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ray, I have the 41's red headed stepchild, the Northeast 39...very similar. Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2015, at 15:46, RAYMOND SHIBE via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Harry, I missed a step somewhere. Which CC is Mirage? It looks like a 41. Ray Shibe 1984 CC 41 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 01:10 PM, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List wrote: Mike, Backstay, vang and babystay are all hydraulic. The panel is on the aft side of the bridge deck at the traveller. Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2015, at 08:33, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Harry Pretty boat. I love the look of the massive reverse transom. How do you adjust the backstay though? Step ladder? Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:04 PM To: CC List Cc: Pierre Tremblay Subject: Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport Here some pictures of Mirage https://www.flickr.com/gp/77363625@N06/jN790G https://www.flickr.com/gp/77363625@N06/jN790G Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 De : Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com mailto:hhallgr...@icloud.com À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc : Pierre Tremblay tremblay.pie...@yahoo.ca mailto:tremblay.pie...@yahoo.ca Envoyé le : mardi 19 mai 2015 9h09 Objet : Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport Thanks for the kind words Pierre! Here are a few shots from Sunday's VOR leg start. We were on Alvimedica's chase boat...great day! https://www.flickr.com/photos/46147579@N08/sets/72157652015578858 https://www.flickr.com/photos/46147579@N08/sets/72157652015578858 Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2015, at 09:55, Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I saw Harry's Mirage in Newport during the VOR weekend. Nicest boat on the water. Will post pictures somewhere and email the link to the list. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Are original LF38 thru hulls in contact with coring?
Jake — how are you liking the i70 instruments? — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On May 20, 2015, at 7:28 PM, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Patrick, I replaced the thru-hull for my knot meter this year. The hull is solid glass in that area, although I still gave it a coating of West epoxy to be extra sure. I also coated the plywood backing plate with epoxy. It wasn’t deteriorated, but it will last longer this way. Jake ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stuffing box
I use 2 pipe wrenches...no big problem Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, *Alianna* Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I've done a few packing gland adjustments. I have one of those packing nut wrenches, slip nut wrenches. whatever, have used it and am not particularly fond of it. My complaints are it's too thin and it tends to open up. The flat surfaces on a packing gland are rather thin themselves. With a narrow wrench, it slips off rather easily. I'd rather use a wrench that has bit thicker jaws in combination with a large pair of Channellocks. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:51 AM, robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Oh nohere we go again'tie bar' versus 'through bolt and now 'an adjustable packing nut wrench' versus 'an adjustable slip nut wrench'..I prefer the Home Depot version over West Marine because of the price.and I don't really care what the tool is called. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-20 12:15 PM, Sean Richardson via CnC-List wrote: That's actually a plumbers slip nut wrench and what I used on my recent repack..worked like a charm. $3.36 @ Homedepot. http://www.homedepot.ca/product/brasscraft-adjustable-slip-nut-wrench/909063 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM, robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have two of these on board.easier to work with than ordinary pipe wrenches although I have tightened with pipe wrenches. http://www.westmarine.com/buy/seafit--adjustable-packing-nut-wrench--290280 Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-19 1:52 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List wrote: On the Buck Algonquin bronze stuffing boxes this works well: http://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/10-in-wide-opening-adjustable-wrench/A-p8306623e Handles about a 2 nut. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:43:34 -0300 From: Dr. Mark Bodnar drbod...@accesswave.ca drbod...@accesswave.ca To: CC list cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stuffing box Message-ID: f81fda73-676b-4b54-9c4a-a640f0216...@accesswave.ca f81fda73-676b-4b54-9c4a-a640f0216...@accesswave.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 First sail/journey of the year. Bedford to Deep Cove in Mahoney Bay - approx 50 nautical miles. Left Bedford Yacht Club and motored out thru Halifax Barbour, around Chebucto Head and through Samboro passage - minimal wind and dead on the nose. Quite pleased with motor overall. I replaced a broken engine mount and the new one (a generic mount I modified to fit) was way better. Engine needs to be re-aligned - hopefully that will decrease vibration even more. Advice appreciated. I've read about it - difficult? On arrival my stuffing box was dripping a fair bit. Little more than 1 drop per second Tried to tighten but couldn't separate the 2 nuts. Sprayed a little PB Blaster - but I'll need a second wrench to counter with rather than spinning whole unit. Any suggestions? Are locking pliers OK? Mark CS 30 Prosecco ___ Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stanchion Legs For Gates...
Holland marine is where I got mine last year. Located in Ontario. Charlie Charlie Normand Shadow Dancer 33 MK II Jamestown RI On Wednesday, May 20, 2015, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Anybody know a source for stanchion legs for our toerails? Thanks in advance. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Are original LF38 thru hulls in contact with coring?
I can't comment on coring but I can comment on using the right tool for the job! I invested in a step wrench and I'm glad I did. Without it, removing the old thru-hulls would have been very difficult or impossible. Even with the use of the step wrench the old thru-hulls threatened to strip, the metal was soft. My suggestion to you is wait until the fall haul out. It's been ok for 31 years it'll probably be ok for another few months. It's not a huge job or anything but don't underestimate how much time it can take .. there are *always* gotchas. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 5:40 PM, PME via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Patrick, I recently replaced 8 thru-hulls, 8 seacocks, and 2 transducers on my LF38. Yes, Wally’s site is a great resource. I reamed back the coring and filled with thickened epoxy. While the hull is cored with balsa, the region where the thru-hulls are is cored with marine plywood. Thankfully, removing the old thru-hulls showed dry coring, so I guess they were originally sealed well. I found two thru-hulls with threads red and very pitted, and they were likely close to failing. Removing the thru-hulls are easy with the correct tool, so I suggest that you at least check all of them.But with wet decaying backing plates, I would not wait... I have not gotten around to write anything up yet, but I do have a bunch of photos tossed online: https://www.flickr.com/photos/dreuge/sets/72157652746226231 - Paul E. 1981 CC 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On May 20, 2015, at 2:56 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 11:18:36 -0700 From: Patrick Davin jda...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Are original LF38 thru hulls in contact with coring? Message-ID: CAHixY6TL3Xog-g=Nh9EVcEaxoXKmHNtpUj+fJ+4w=kug10u...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 My first haul out is coming up in 3 weeks, just for a few days to do some small tasks like unsticking a seized seacock and maybe installing a new speed transducer (old Datamarine one is somewhat broken). I've read Wally's site cover to cover and know he redid his thru hulls reaming out some core and filling with epoxy (and even glassing over). But were all model years constructed without that done or did later CCs start sealing their thru hulls better? It's surprising to me that they wouldn't have protected the core out of the factory. Do I need to inspect all thru hulls or only prior-owner installed ones? I might postpone this till the fall since it'll be a big job, just wondering if it's worth pulling one now (even that I don't expect to be easy). If all cored CCs were installed with coring abutting the thruhull, I'm surprised it doesn't sound like everyone has redone them (it looks like only 2 or 3 people have asked about it on the list - although more may have done it). Or is the concern overdone? From the standpoint of don't mess with it if it ain't broke maybe it's better to just do nothing. Except that the plywood backing plates are wet/decayed, so eventually I'll need to at least do something with those (which may or may not involve replacing the seacock and thruhull too). -Patrick 1984 LF38 Violet Hour Seattle, WA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 32 Mast Step
With the other thread about the 30-1 mast step and past threads about the 35mkII and others I have to ask .. is the mast step on the made of wood like on other models? All I see is an aluminum box. My bilge is never dry so now I'm concerned having read the other thread. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Are original LF38 thru hulls in contact with coring?
Patrick, I replaced the thru-hull for my knot meter this year. The hull is solid glass in that area, although I still gave it a coating of West epoxy to be extra sure. I also coated the plywood backing plate with epoxy. It wasn’t deteriorated, but it will last longer this way. Jake Jake Brodersen “Midnight Mistress” CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Davin via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:19 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Patrick Davin Subject: Stus-List Are original LF38 thru hulls in contact with coring? My first haul out is coming up in 3 weeks, just for a few days to do some small tasks like unsticking a seized seacock and maybe installing a new speed transducer (old Datamarine one is somewhat broken). I've read Wally's site cover to cover and know he redid his thru hulls reaming out some core and filling with epoxy (and even glassing over). But were all model years constructed without that done or did later CCs start sealing their thru hulls better? It's surprising to me that they wouldn't have protected the core out of the factory. Do I need to inspect all thru hulls or only prior-owner installed ones? I might postpone this till the fall since it'll be a big job, just wondering if it's worth pulling one now (even that I don't expect to be easy). If all cored CCs were installed with coring abutting the thruhull, I'm surprised it doesn't sound like everyone has redone them (it looks like only 2 or 3 people have asked about it on the list - although more may have done it). Or is the concern overdone? From the standpoint of don't mess with it if it ain't broke maybe it's better to just do nothing. Except that the plywood backing plates are wet/decayed, so eventually I'll need to at least do something with those (which may or may not involve replacing the seacock and thruhull too). -Patrick 1984 LF38 Violet Hour Seattle, WA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stupid Club
Mike Hoyt wrote: Let me guess. Shaft pulled back, shaft seal or stuffing box compromised, coupler detached and probable damage to strut and stern tube? Actually, Mike, it was all that and much more. We went within a whisker of losing the boat. so there was a massive amount if damage internally as well. She was on the hard for nearly two months drying out then being almost completely rebuilt inside, new wiring, new electronics and on and on it went. What saved her was that we inflated two 12' inflatable dinghies inside the cabin. That gave her a lot more buoyancy. When our volunteer coast guard arrived, their self-priming pump wouldn't work. They finally called for another coast guard boat and their crew took over from ours on the pumps and buckets. Looking back it was a little comical but it certainly wasn't at the time. David (Down Under) On 21 May 2015 at 02:27, svpegasu...@gmail.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Amen. Life is tough, it's harder when you are stupid. And, You cant fix stupid. Just when you think something is idiot proof, along comes an improved idiot. I am on the 4th assembly of a VW engine for doing stupid stuff. The best part about doing sstupithings is you get to laugh at your self later over a beer. I had to go diving in Nanaimo to cut loose my dinghy painter. Did I mention no wet suit, goggles, or snorkel? The second time for a.bow line I hired a diver. Cost me $100 worth every penny. Doug Mountjoy svPegasus LF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message-- *From: *robert via CnC-List *Date: *Wed, May 20, 2015 06:43 *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com; *Cc: *robert; *Subject:*Stus-List Stupid Club Being a full fledged member myself, I love the old saying There is a major difference between intelligence and stupidity; intelligence has its limits. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-20 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: David Let me guess. Shaft pulled back, shaft seal or stuffing box compromised, coupler detached and probable damage to strut and stern tube? Don’t ask me how I know. Suffice it to say that I also belong in the club. On the bright side insurance often covers Stupid and in this case it does. Mike Persistence Halifax *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David Lenehan via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:13 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* David Lenehan *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stupid Club This is such an interesting thread that I thought I'd expose myself to some laughter too. As a matter of added interest, I joined the Stupid Club on the day after I joined the Hypocrit's Club. Years ago I had a lovely long line that I decided I'd use as a genoa sheet. It was a beautiful length of brand new polyester braid back when polyester rope was still something of a novelty. I sat back and admired my work noting that the sheet was a bit longer than it needed to be. Not to worry, I told myself smugly, I'll sort that out later. The next morning we were motoring out for our race. I was a first year skipper in my first keel boat. We were far ahead in the standings and only had to finish this race to take home the silverware. I was dreaming of the glory instead of watching what everyone was doing. I instructed the crew to set up as we usually did and one of the inexperienced crew dropped the end of the genoa sheet over the side and didn't recover it immediately. Yes, you guessed it! It wrapped itself around the prop and the shaft shaft and we started taking on water. Large volumes of it. Didn't start the race, didn't take the trophy home and nearly didn't get the boat home either. The list of damage it caused is too long to tell but it cost a fortune and did some serious ego bashing. A host of lessons learned. Red faced for months, David On 20 May 2015 at 14:47, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I used my 7 litre Pela vacuum extractor to empty the sump on my 3QM30 one fall and then kicked it over on the way up the companionway. Had to yank the sole and swab out the engine compartment. About three hours as I recall. Nice! Rich On May 19, 2015, at 19:08, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I left the oil cap off once. Ran the boat hard for 6 hours before I noticed. Also had the mess. Chuck *Resolute* 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- *From: *robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc: *robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca *Sent: *Thursday, May 14, 2015 10:23:50 PM *Subject: *Stus-List Rig - crack? Wally: I have no problem admitting to my mental limitationsif I were that smart, I wouldn't be sailing a 31 year old boat and I wouldn't be doing all of the maintenance/work myself. Possibly explains why I am a
Re: Stus-List Stupid Club
David — do you live in Australia, or is “Down Under” the name of your (formerly nearly sunk) boat? :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On May 20, 2015, at 5:21 PM, David Lenehan via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: David (Down Under) ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Rock Hall Harbor Inlet Approach
Greetings! Has anyone been to Rock Hall Harbor recently? Has it been dredged? I recall the entrance was pretty shallow last time I was there. Taking Admiral to Sailing Emporium over memorial weekend and would prefer to avoid any mishaps... Cheers,Aaron R.Admiral Maggie,1979 CC 30 MK1 #540Annapolis, MD ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport
A carbon mast would look sharp with those colors. - Original Message - From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:07:25 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport This afternoon I meet a buddy who used to own and race a 41’ and took him over to the yard to see the new paint. He loved it! He did slap me soundly about the head when we were looking at my mast and asked if I was going to paint it white. I ventured that it might not be in the cards ($$) and he said that it would look “stupid” with the aluminum mast with that hull color and the white bottom paint. I agreed with him. More boat bucks… Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On May 20, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ray, I have the 41's red headed stepchild, the Northeast 39...very similar. Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2015, at 15:46, RAYMOND SHIBE via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote Harry, I missed a step somewhere. Which CC is Mirage? It looks like a 41. Ray Shibe 1984 CC 41 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 01:10 PM, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List wrote: blockquote Mike, Backstay, vang and babystay are all hydraulic. The panel is on the aft side of the bridge deck at the traveller. Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2015, at 08:33, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote Harry Pretty boat. I love the look of the massive reverse transom. How do you adjust the backstay though? Step ladder? Mike From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:04 PM To: CC List Cc: Pierre Tremblay Subject: Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport Here some pictures of Mirage https://www.flickr.com/gp/77363625@N06/jN790G Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 De : Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc : Pierre Tremblay tremblay.pie...@yahoo.ca Envoyé le : mardi 19 mai 2015 9h09 Objet : Re: Stus-List Mirage in Newport Thanks for the kind words Pierre! Here are a few shots from Sunday's VOR leg start. We were on Alvimedica's chase boat...great day! https://www.flickr.com/photos/46147579@N08/sets/72157652015578858 Harry Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2015, at 09:55, Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote I saw Harry's Mirage in Newport during the VOR weekend. Nicest boat on the water. Will post pictures somewhere and email the link to the list. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 /blockquote blockquote ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com /blockquote blockquote ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com /blockquote ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com /blockquote /blockquote blockquote ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com /blockquote ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com /blockquote ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Mirage in Newport
Thanks for sharing the pictures and video.. That looked like an awesome time. When I look at the Mirage pictures and more details on Yachtworld I had to double check if the boat was a Rob Ball design.. The over all profile, the cockpit, The port galley, the shape of the wing on the keel, the sugar scoop, the cabin visible chainplate plates going all the way down to the grid, etc, etc. Looks a lot like my boat.. Good stuff Best Regards, -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, GA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
