Re: Stus-List 30MKII batteries

[allen via CnC-List]

Same for Septima.  I replaced Rolls wet cells (really fantastic bateries) with 
AGMs because it's really hard to check fluid level and add distilled water to 
those inboard cells.

Allen Miles
C&C 30-2 Septima
Hampton, VA


From: Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 2:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Jim Reinardy 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30MKII batteries


Lorne, 


I am not sure if my setup is standard, but I have a group 24 starting battery 
and 2 group 27 house batteries.  They are all in the back berth under an access 
panel.  In mine, the battery boxes with covers just barely fit without 
interfering with the access panel cover, so extra tall batteries could be an 
issue.


Regards,


Jim Reinardy
C&C 30-2 "Firewater"
Milwaukee, WI




Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 11:54:36 -0600
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 30MKII batteries
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: lorne.se...@gmail.com


1st, my boat is 2000 miles away so I can't check,  so I appreciate the help. 
What size batteries can fit my 1988 30MKII? 
My survey said a group 21 is bad.  No such thing.  I called and the old man 
doesn't remember which is bad.   I plan to pre buy my batteries since they are 
all about 8-9 years old. 
What is the required starting battery? 
What size/group are the 2 house batteries?  And,  will two 6 volt GC2 batteries 
fit,  they are taller than Group 31 but narrower. 
Thanks for any help. 


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Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII

[allen via CnC-List]

Please get those pictures.  I have yet to mount the partition for the ice box 
and see how the ice cube trays mount.  My admiral is rather short so planning 
is essential if she's to be able to retrieve food from the bottom.

Allen


From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 2:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Kevin Driscoll 
Subject: Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII


Lorne,
Our evaporator is vertical against the sink, but also forward on the inside of 
the box and the long dimension runs port-stbd. It's the way to go. Compressor 
is just under the settee forward of the stbd sink. You will have to cut a hole 
in the vertical fiberglass glass below the settee for the compressor to breath. 
Larger is better for compressor... And less attractive. Find a balance. I would 
do this on the portion facing forward and use a vent cover like this 
one.http://www.westmarine.com/buy/attwood--venturi-vents--P012_363_002_502 

Essentially this would be below/behind yours knees if you were sitting in that 
settee.  Overall it's a very clean and efficient installation. I believe other 
30-2 owners would have a similar installation. I'll grab pictures this weekend 
if I remember.

Kevin 
30-2




On Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 7:31 PM Lorne Serpa via CnC-List  
wrote:

  http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/icebox/build_icebox.htm this one? 

  On Jun 21, 2016 8:02 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
wrote:

Read about my refrigeration install.  There is a link on the cncphotoalbum 
home page. There was about 1 1/8 inch open cell sheet foam around the box.  
There are pics in the project document.

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1

On Jun 21, 2016 6:17 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List"  
wrote:

  I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard.  I'm wondering if I 
need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. 
  How thick or good is the factory insulation?  
  Thanks



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Re: Stus-List 30MKII batteries

[allen via CnC-List]

Important you have lash downs for batteries since battery boxes are too tall.

Alen


From: Allan Rheaume via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 5:16 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List 30MKII batteries


Lorne I have 3 group 31's in the aft cabin, they fit but without covers on top. 
I don't think you'll be able to fit 6V's in there height wise.






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Cc: Lorne Serpa 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30MKII batteries



Would be nice to shove 2x group 31 in there. 
On Jun 22, 2016 1:56 PM, "kelly petew via CnC-List"  
wrote:

  I have an Interstate brand  grp 24 or 27 "dual purpose" battery as my 
starting battery.  Excellent battery.

  Last season I added two [2] "31DCXC" Harris batteries [wet cell] for my house 
bank.  I think these are group 31s with about 110 amp-hour capacity [google 
"Harris Batteries', in Ohio to be sure].  
  As others have responded, these all reside under the aft cabinet berth.
  I will say the current house bank has a lower profile than what they 
replaced.  I had to glue a 1/2" wood strip to the front ends of the cover 
boards in order to ensure clearance for the old batteries.

  Hope this helps.

  Pete W.

  Siren Song
  '91 C&C30-2
  Deltaville, VA.  





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Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.  The 
cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a number of 
other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas (CNG).  We 
have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that supplies large CNG 
bottles to commercial customers where they do not have pipes to supply natural 
gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.

I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there) the 
CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC so have 
no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to be certified 
in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them refilled.  One option 
is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for propane.

The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I do 
not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require one.  
My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit, modify the 
gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.  Refilling the tanks is 
a much more attractive option.

I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I also 
have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed to find 
one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long endeavor.

I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new tank of 
the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It must also 
be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business thru one of our 
regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or Air Liquide.  Does 
anyone on this list have experience with where to purchase these tanks with the 
appropriate valves and who would fill them?  The alternative would be to drive 
to the nearest place that exchanges these tanks which I believe is Camden 
Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and involves transporting gas canisters over 
an International border …

Thanks

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-CNG tank refills

The tanks is a modified SCUBA tank. 1100 PSI is about just under half full. 
They are usually about 2200-2400 when topped off.
You need to go on FleaBay and look for an adapter to hook your tank up to the 
CNG station to fill it. They hold about $4 worth of gas. Your other choice is 
to find a marina that does CNG tank exchange for about $100!
Something like THIS is what you need:
http://www.morgan38.org/morgan38/index.php?threads/cng-adapter-to-refuel-cng-tanks-from-cng-vehicle-refuelling-pump.10262/


Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
CNG Stove
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Re: Stus-List NY/NJ Racing in a 30mki

[allen via CnC-List]

Brings back memories of Septima's transits through the canal when we were 
berthed in Lanoka Harbor/ Bayville just south of where you are now.  We did 
get caught in an outgoing tide rip current while heading north after a rain 
delay, fighting against being ridden into that super slow bascule bridge at 
the north end.  We were also trapped heading inbound when a lady bridge 
tender decided to close the horizontal lift at the southern end.  I guess 
she couldn't see us around the dog leg.  When we did appear she panicked and 
started to raise the span but we had to make three loops in that stupid 
canal while waiting for sufficient bridge clearance.  Gotta love the 
maneuverability of a keel boat: those metal walls are menacing.  Needless to 
say, the male bridge tenders all the way down were very prompt when we asked 
for lifts.


There was an active group of sailors from marinas from Barnegat to Toms 
River who cruised several times a summer and raced every Saturday.  The club 
was called "Windjammers".  You might find them still there.  The Bayville 
Marina was their epicenter and it had a great site that emptied into the 
Barnegat Bay just west of Island Beach State Park where the water is 6 to 8 
foot deep.  In those days Tom's River had a bar I had to scrape across to 
enter and Septima only draws 4'6".  Most race courses used the ICW marks 
just south of Cedar Creek and a tetrahedron or two.  Windjammers was an 
iInformal club with their own clubhouse provided by the marina owner.  They 
had a lot of Yacht Club type activities without the bother like Saturday get 
togethers after racing in an informal manner (BYOB and some snacks to 
share).  I plan to take Septima back there for my kids when I am too old to 
sail.


Allen Miles

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Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 8:13 PM
To: 
Cc: "Ryan Doyle" 
Subject: Stus-List NY/NJ Racing in a 30mki

Thanks Edd, Alan, and Chuck for the suggestions.  She's currently on the 
Toms River, so Toms River YC could maybe be a possibility.  I will ask 
around my marina as well.


Chuck - We had an uneventful transit through the Manasquan inlet Saturday 
in a 3-4' East swell with a South wind about 15kts.  However, what I 
hadn't expected was the following current once inside.  It was ripping 
3-4kts as I pulled up to Hoffman's for our overnight slip.  That made for 
an interesting end to a long sailing day when the usually-open rail bridge 
between us and our slip snapped shut on our approach.


The Point Pleasant canal was no problem on Sunday as we timed it for slack 
tide.  I can imagine that canal turns into a washing machine though when 
the currents run.  The biggest problem I had in the narrow canal was 
keeping her steady when power boaters would go blasting by completely 
ignoring the no wake restriction.  The four bridge operators we contacted 
for openings to make our way to the Toms River were very helpful.




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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:33:45 -0700
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Subject: Re: Stus-List NY/NJ Racing in a 30mki
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Check out the yacht clubs in your area.  Possibly one or two in your
marina.  Not all clubs are the large, rich snooty kinds. You'll get to 
meet

racers who can give you advice.  Also, lots of social activities.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland. OR

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Hey listers,

After working on her all winter (repaint, total re-wire, rigging and
interior spruce ups), I splashed my new-to-me 1976 30mki for the first 
time
a couple weeks ago in Brooklyn.  This past weekend we sailed from 
Brooklyn,
outside and back in through the Manasquan inlet and into the Barnegat 
Bay.
It was a great ride.  After just a few hours on the boat my dad was 
already
wondering how we could race her.  He raced sunfish and other tiny boats 
in

Mass as a kid.

We know zip zero about racing on a boat this size, but it's something my
dad 

Stus-List Mainsail dimensions

[scott teneyck via CnC-List]

Does anyone have mainsail dimensions for a later c&c 30 with the raised boom ? 
I'm contemplating raising mine a foot to match the later models. Thanks in 
advance Scott


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Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that 
will attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would require 
shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it shipped back to 
menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into converting and it is a 
bout a $2000 project...
anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks

 


Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada



We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.  The 
cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a number of 
other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas (CNG).  We 
have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that supplies large CNG 
bottles to commercial customers where they do not have pipes to supply natural 
gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.
 
I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there) the 
CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC so have 
no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to be certified 
in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them refilled.  One option 
is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for propane.
 
The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I do 
not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require one.  
My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit, modify the 
gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.  Refilling the tanks is 
a much more attractive option.
 
I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I also 
have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed to find 
one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long endeavor.
 
I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new tank of 
the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It must also 
be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business thru one of our 
regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or Air Liquide.  Does 
anyone on this list have experience with where to purchase these tanks with the 
appropriate valves and who would fill them?  The alternative would be to drive 
to the nearest place that exchanges these tanks which I believe is Camden 
Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and involves transporting gas canisters over 
an International border …
 
Thanks
 
Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-CNG tank refills

 
The tanks is a modified SCUBA tank. 1100 PSI is about just under half full. 
They are usually about 2200-2400 when topped off.
You need to go on FleaBay and look for an adapter to hook your tank up to the 
CNG station to fill it. They hold about $4 worth of gas. Your other choice is 
to find a marina that does CNG tank exchange for about $100!  
Something like THIS is what you need:
http://www.morgan38.org/morgan38/index.php?threads/cng-adapter-to-refuel-cng-tanks-from-cng-vehicle-refuelling-pump.10262/
 
 
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
CNG Stove

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Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

If you have a CNG filling station for cars, you can buy the pieces to make a 
filling adapter and spend about $2 per fill after that!
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I with CNG stove


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. 
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush
Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that will 
attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would require 
shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it shipped back to 
menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into converting and it is a 
bout a $2000 project...
anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks

Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
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Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.  The 
cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a number of 
other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas (CNG).  We 
have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that supplies large CNG 
bottles to commercial customers where they do not have pipes to supply natural 
gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.

I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there) the 
CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC so have 
no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to be certified 
in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them refilled.  One option 
is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for propane.

The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I do 
not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require one.  
My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit, modify the 
gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.  Refilling the tanks is 
a much more attractive option.

I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I also 
have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed to find 
one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long endeavor.

I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new tank of 
the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It must also 
be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business thru one of our 
regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or Air Liquide.  Does 
anyone on this list have experience with where to purchase these tanks with the 
appropriate valves and who would fill them?  The alternative would be to drive 
to the nearest place that exchanges these tanks which I believe is Camden 
Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and involves transporting gas canisters over 
an International border …

Thanks

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-CNG tank refills

The tanks is a modified SCUBA tank. 1100 PSI is about just under half full. 
They are usually about 2200-2400 when topped off.
You need to go on FleaBay and look for an adapter to hook your tank up to the 
CNG station to fill it. They hold about $4 worth of gas. Your other choice is 
to find a marina that does CNG tank exchange for about $100!
Something like THIS is what you need:
http://www.morgan38.org/morgan38/index.php?threads/cng-adapter-to-refuel-cng-tanks-from-cng-vehicle-refuelling-pump.10262/


Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
CNG Stove
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Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Thanks Joe, Richard

The nearest car filling station  to Halifax is in Montreal.  At least I do not 
have to transport across an international border.  Montreal is a nice place to 
visit as well except that hockey ended there in February this year (another 
topic).  I have heard that our local gas company is exploring the idea of 
getting a filling station locally though …

I believe that these are tanks that should be able to be ordered thru local 
sources.  It may be that we need to change the fittings on boat end but we 
should be able to purchase a tank (even if special order) and then rather than 
asking for CNG we could specify the actual gas name (methane) and have filled 
someplace local.  The two issues I have been finding are businesses that handle 
methane gas (or CNG) and the CGA 350 adaptor with the left hand thread.  I am 
guessing that converting boat to accept a more standard fitting and purchasing 
a tank with that fitting may lead to more success.

The one option I do not consider realistic is limiting the use of our cooking 
appliances.  Why limit the enjoyment of our boats?

Mike

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Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:26 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

If you have a CNG filling station for cars, you can buy the pieces to make a 
filling adapter and spend about $2 per fill after that!
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I with CNG stove


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. 
Bush via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush
Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that will 
attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would require 
shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it shipped back to 
menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into converting and it is a 
bout a $2000 project...
anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks

Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


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To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.  The 
cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a number of 
other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas (CNG).  We 
have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that supplies large CNG 
bottles to commercial customers where they do not have pipes to supply natural 
gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.

I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there) the 
CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC so have 
no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to be certified 
in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them refilled.  One option 
is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for propane.

The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I do 
not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require one.  
My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit, modify the 
gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.  Refilling the tanks is 
a much more attractive option.

I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I also 
have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed to find 
one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long endeavor.

I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new tank of 
the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It must also 
be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business thru one of our 
regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or Air Liquide.  Does 
anyone on this list have experience with where to purchase these tanks with the 
appropriate valves and who would fill them?  The alternative would be to drive 
to the nearest place that exchanges these tanks which I believe is Camden 
Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and involves transporting gas canisters over 
an International border …

Thanks

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject:

Re: Stus-List Mainsail dimensions

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Scott — IJPE dimensions are on the C&C Photo Album site; that should get you 
started: http://cncphotoalbum.com/technical/measurements.htm

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:09 AM, scott teneyck via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have mainsail dimensions for a later c&c 30 with the raised boom 
> ? I'm contemplating raising mine a foot to match the later models. Thanks in 
> advance Scott

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Re: Stus-List Mainsail dimensions

[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

Here is mine:


P: 10.059 m

E: 3.505 m

Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD



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Subject: Stus-List Mainsail dimensions

Does anyone have mainsail dimensions for a later c&c 30 with the raised boom ? 
I'm contemplating raising mine a foot to match the later models. Thanks in 
advance Scott


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Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Sorry … I meant (methane?).  Some of the people I have dealt with here refered 
to it as methane when trying to get my tank certified.  I believe it may 
actually be a mixture that has a lot of methane in it

I am hoping to get all of the actual specifications for my tank when I pick it 
up today.  That way I can email businesses asking for the cost of a new tank 
with those specifications, valves, etc …  I can email other businesses asking 
if they can supply the specific gas at specific pressure in the specified tank. 
 I am hoping that it is as simple as dropping off a tank in the spring and 
having the tank/gas company ship it to wherever their depot is and then picking 
it up in a week or so filled.

Mike



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

Thanks Joe, Richard

The nearest car filling station  to Halifax is in Montreal.  At least I do not 
have to transport across an international border.  Montreal is a nice place to 
visit as well except that hockey ended there in February this year (another 
topic).  I have heard that our local gas company is exploring the idea of 
getting a filling station locally though …

I believe that these are tanks that should be able to be ordered thru local 
sources.  It may be that we need to change the fittings on boat end but we 
should be able to purchase a tank (even if special order) and then rather than 
asking for CNG we could specify the actual gas name (methane) and have filled 
someplace local.  The two issues I have been finding are businesses that handle 
methane gas (or CNG) and the CGA 350 adaptor with the left hand thread.  I am 
guessing that converting boat to accept a more standard fitting and purchasing 
a tank with that fitting may lead to more success.

The one option I do not consider realistic is limiting the use of our cooking 
appliances.  Why limit the enjoyment of our boats?

Mike

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:26 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

If you have a CNG filling station for cars, you can buy the pieces to make a 
filling adapter and spend about $2 per fill after that!
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I with CNG stove


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. 
Bush via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush
Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that will 
attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would require 
shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it shipped back to 
menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into converting and it is a 
bout a $2000 project...
anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks

Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.  The 
cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a number of 
other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas (CNG).  We 
have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that supplies large CNG 
bottles to commercial customers where they do not have pipes to supply natural 
gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.

I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there) the 
CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC so have 
no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to be certified 
in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them refilled.  One option 
is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for propane.

The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I do 
not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require one.  
My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit, modify the 
gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.  Refilling the tanks is 
a much more attractive option.

I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I also 
have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed to find 
one Canadian certified tank

Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

You could always convert to diesel stove/oven/cabin heater.

http://www.wallas.fi/index.php?id=56

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 23, 2016 9:40 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Thanks Joe, Richard
>
>
>
> The nearest car filling station  to Halifax is in Montreal.  At least I do
> not have to transport across an international border.  Montreal is a nice
> place to visit as well except that hockey ended there in February this year
> (another topic).  I have heard that our local gas company is exploring the
> idea of getting a filling station locally though …
>
>
>
> I believe that these are tanks that should be able to be ordered thru
> local sources.  It may be that we need to change the fittings on boat end
> but we should be able to purchase a tank (even if special order) and then
> rather than asking for CNG we could specify the actual gas name (methane)
> and have filled someplace local.  The two issues I have been finding are
> businesses that handle methane gas (or CNG) and the CGA 350 adaptor with
> the left hand thread.  I am guessing that converting boat to accept a more
> standard fitting and purchasing a tank with that fitting may lead to more
> success.
>
>
>
> The one option I do not consider realistic is limiting the use of our
> cooking appliances.  Why limit the enjoyment of our boats?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:26 AM
> *To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
> OR the US
>
>
>
> If you have a CNG filling station for cars, you can buy the pieces to make
> a filling adapter and spend about $2 per fill after that!
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I with CNG stove
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Richard N. Bush via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:15 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Richard N. Bush
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
> OR the US
>
>
>
> Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that
> will attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would
> require shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it
> shipped back to menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into
> converting and it is a bout a $2000 project...
> anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4
>
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
> Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
> Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
>
> We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.
> The cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a
> number of other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas
> (CNG).  We have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that
> supplies large CNG bottles to commercial customers where they do not have
> pipes to supply natural gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.
>
>
>
> I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there)
> the CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC
> so have no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to
> be certified in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them
> refilled.  One option is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for
> propane.
>
>
>
> The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I
> do not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require
> one.  My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit,
> modify the gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.
> Refilling the tanks is a much more attractive option.
>
>
>
> I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I
> also have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed
> to find one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long
> endeavor.
>
>
>
> I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new
> tank of the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It
> must also be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business
> thru one of our regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or
> Air Liquide.  Does anyone on this list have experience with where to
> purchase these tanks with the appropriate valves and who would fill them?
> The alternative would be to drive to the nearest place that exchanges these
> tanks which I believe is Camden Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and
> involves 

Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

http://www.c34.org/projects/projects-cng-refill-adapter.html

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:52 AM
To: C&C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US


You could always convert to diesel stove/oven/cabin heater.

http://www.wallas.fi/index.php?id=56

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 23, 2016 9:40 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thanks Joe, Richard

The nearest car filling station  to Halifax is in Montreal.  At least I do not 
have to transport across an international border.  Montreal is a nice place to 
visit as well except that hockey ended there in February this year (another 
topic).  I have heard that our local gas company is exploring the idea of 
getting a filling station locally though …

I believe that these are tanks that should be able to be ordered thru local 
sources.  It may be that we need to change the fittings on boat end but we 
should be able to purchase a tank (even if special order) and then rather than 
asking for CNG we could specify the actual gas name (methane) and have filled 
someplace local.  The two issues I have been finding are businesses that handle 
methane gas (or CNG) and the CGA 350 adaptor with the left hand thread.  I am 
guessing that converting boat to accept a more standard fitting and purchasing 
a tank with that fitting may lead to more success.

The one option I do not consider realistic is limiting the use of our cooking 
appliances.  Why limit the enjoyment of our boats?

Mike

From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:26 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

If you have a CNG filling station for cars, you can buy the pieces to make a 
filling adapter and spend about $2 per fill after that!
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I with CNG stove


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. 
Bush via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush
Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that will 
attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would require 
shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it shipped back to 
menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into converting and it is a 
bout a $2000 project...
anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks

Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.  The 
cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a number of 
other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas (CNG).  We 
have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that supplies large CNG 
bottles to commercial customers where they do not have pipes to supply natural 
gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.

I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there) the 
CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC so have 
no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to be certified 
in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them refilled.  One option 
is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for propane.

The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I do 
not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require one.  
My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit, modify the 
gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.  Refilling the tanks is 
a much more attractive option.

I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I also 
have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed to find 
one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long endeavor.

I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new tank of 
the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It must also 
be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business thru one of our 
regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or Air Liquide.  D

Re: Stus-List Mainsail dimensions

[RANDY via CnC-List]

And those 30-1 measurements at 
http://cncphotoalbum.com/technical/measurements.htm are for 30-1s with the boom 
raised a foot from its original location on very early hull numbers. 

I have hull #7 and I can tell from holes in the mast that a previous owner 
raised the boom exactly 12". I've also measured my P dimension and it matches 
what's on that measurement page (34'). So the P dimension of the early 30-1s 
must have been 35'. 

Personally I think it's a good modification. I was thinking about moving my 
boom back to its original location when I buy a new mainsail, to get more sail 
area. But I've changed my mind. I'm about 6'3" and so is most of my regular 
crew, and we don't have to duck too much during tacks and gybes when standing 
on the cockpit sole. The comfort and safety are worth the loss of ~11.5 square 
feet of sail area, and there are other ways to gain speed (e.g. folding prop). 

Besides, last night I hit 7.6 knots according to GPS (my track on raceqs.com) 
in ~27mph gusts on beam / close reach under main and #2 genoa, and my main's E 
dimension is a foot shorter than it's supposed to be (10.5 feet instead of 11.5 
feet), and I have a fixed two-blade prop! With a ~25-foot waterline my 
theoretical max hull speed is ~6.67 knots, but I've been over 7 a couple times 
according to GPS. And I *still* didn't get a rail in the water last night 
(though very close this time, within an inch or so). That boat is stiff! But 
unfortunately I ripped my genoa - a three-foot tear in from the leech, parallel 
to the foot, about 2/3 of the way up. I don't think it was from over-sheeting 
or contact with the spreader; I just had too much sail up for the wind, and my 
sails are old and tired. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

- Original Message -

From: "Frederick G Street via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Frederick G Street"  
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:40:17 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mainsail dimensions 

Scott — IJPE dimensions are on the C&C Photo Album site; that should get you 
started: http://cncphotoalbum.com/technical/measurements.htm 

Fred Street -- Minneapolis 
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI 




On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:09 AM, scott teneyck via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> wrote: 

Does anyone have mainsail dimensions for a later c&c 30 with the raised boom ? 
I'm contemplating raising mine a foot to match the later models. Thanks in 
advance Scott 





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Stus-List Touché racing Gulfport Pensacola offshore

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Well, barring any crew cancellations, Touché will race starting Friday
noon.  We're light on crew so we're doing cruising non-spin.

Here's link to the race tracker site:

http://kws.kattack.com/GEPlayer/GMPosDisplay.aspx?FeedID=1568

You can see our track from Pensacola to Gulfport from yesterday there or at:

https://spotwalla.com/tripViewer.php?id=111ab575ac98a0d40e

Wind looks moderate early and very light late in the race. Right now
Touche' is second lowest in class. Lowest is a Beneteau Oceanis 48 which
owes us an hour for the 100 mile race. Dying winds favor the faster boats.
Hope we can be close enough to the Bene at the end before the breeze dies.

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville,LA
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Re: Stus-List Touché racing Gulfport Pensacola offshore

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Best of luck.  Enjoy the race!

Joel

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Well, barring any crew cancellations, Touché will race starting Friday
> noon.  We're light on crew so we're doing cruising non-spin.
>
> Here's link to the race tracker site:
>
> http://kws.kattack.com/GEPlayer/GMPosDisplay.aspx?FeedID=1568
>
> You can see our track from Pensacola to Gulfport from yesterday there or
> at:
>
> https://spotwalla.com/tripViewer.php?id=111ab575ac98a0d40e
>
> Wind looks moderate early and very light late in the race. Right now
> Touche' is second lowest in class. Lowest is a Beneteau Oceanis 48 which
> owes us an hour for the 100 mile race. Dying winds favor the faster boats.
> Hope we can be close enough to the Bene at the end before the breeze dies.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville,LA
>
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Stus-List Octopus Linear Drive Question

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

This weekend, hopefully, I’m planning to connect my old Octopus Linear Drive to 
a brand new Raymarine EV200 Autopilot. Is anyone familiar with the Octopus 
drive and its wiring, or have a link to a wiring manual? Is it just two wires 
or is there more to it? 

By the way, we’ll be naming the autopilot the Steering Using Linear Utility, 
or, you know, SULU. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 












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Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

Mike, 
 Have you searched for fleet operators that have their own CNC fill 
equipment? One of them might help you out, and there might be one closer than 
Quebec. There was quite a push on CNC vehicles 15 to 20 years ago, and quite a 
few OEM manufacturers at the time including Ford, where I worked at the time. 
There are still NG suppliers who sell conversions and CNG equipment for fleet 
use. The local gas company might tell you if there are any such operations in 
your area. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
  Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 09:39
  Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the 
US


  Thanks Joe, Richard

   

  The nearest car filling station  to Halifax is in Montreal.  At least I do 
not have to transport across an international border.  Montreal is a nice place 
to visit as well except that hockey ended there in February this year (another 
topic).  I have heard that our local gas company is exploring the idea of 
getting a filling station locally though …

   

  I believe that these are tanks that should be able to be ordered thru local 
sources.  It may be that we need to change the fittings on boat end but we 
should be able to purchase a tank (even if special order) and then rather than 
asking for CNG we could specify the actual gas name (methane) and have filled 
someplace local.  The two issues I have been finding are businesses that handle 
methane gas (or CNG) and the CGA 350 adaptor with the left hand thread.  I am 
guessing that converting boat to accept a more standard fitting and purchasing 
a tank with that fitting may lead to more success.

   

  The one option I do not consider realistic is limiting the use of our cooking 
appliances.  Why limit the enjoyment of our boats?

   

  Mike

   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della 
Barba, Joe via CnC-List
  Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:26 AM
  To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
  Cc: Della Barba, Joe
  Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the 
US

   

  If you have a CNG filling station for cars, you can buy the pieces to make a 
filling adapter and spend about $2 per fill after that!

  Joe

  Coquina

  C&C 35 MK I with CNG stove

   
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Re: Stus-List Octopus Linear Drive Question

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Fred, you there?

Should be 3 wires - port starboard, neutral (I think)

I have the EV 200 on my Hylas 44.  Great unit, but Jake steers a better
course downwind in quartering seas!

Joel

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> This weekend, hopefully, I’m planning to connect my old Octopus Linear
> Drive to a brand new Raymarine EV200 Autopilot. Is anyone familiar with the
> Octopus drive and its wiring, or have a link to a wiring manual? Is it just
> two wires or is there more to it?
>
> By the way, we’ll be naming the autopilot the Steering Using Linear
> Utility, or, you know, SULU.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
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Re: Stus-List Touché racing Gulfport Pensacola offshore

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Good luck and good sailing.

 

Gary

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:41 AM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Touché racing Gulfport Pensacola offshore

 

Well, barring any crew cancellations, Touché will race starting Friday noon.  
We're light on crew so we're doing cruising non-spin.

Here's link to the race tracker site:

http://kws.kattack.com/GEPlayer/GMPosDisplay.aspx?FeedID=1568

You can see our track from Pensacola to Gulfport from yesterday there or at:

https://spotwalla.com/tripViewer.php?id=111ab575ac98a0d40e

Wind looks moderate early and very light late in the race. Right now Touche' is 
second lowest in class. Lowest is a Beneteau Oceanis 48 which owes us an hour 
for the 100 mile race. Dying winds favor the faster boats. Hope we can be close 
enough to the Bene at the end before the breeze dies.

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville,LA

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Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII

[Lorne Serpa via CnC-List]

Our evaporator is vertical against the sink, but also forward on the inside
of the box and the long dimension runs port-stbd. It's the way to go.

What is your reasoning for it's location?
I was going to do vertically against the sink, but the widest portion runs
bow/stern.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 5:52 AM, allen via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Please get those pictures.  I have yet to mount the partition for the ice
> box and see how the ice cube trays mount.  My admiral is rather short so
> planning is essential if she's to be able to retrieve food from the bottom.
>
> Allen
>
> *From:* Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 2:25 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Kevin Driscoll 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
>
> Lorne,
> Our evaporator is vertical against the sink, but also forward on the
> inside of the box and the long dimension runs port-stbd. It's the way to
> go. Compressor is just under the settee forward of the stbd sink. You will
> have to cut a hole in the vertical fiberglass glass below the settee for
> the compressor to breath. Larger is better for compressor... And less
> attractive. Find a balance. I would do this on the portion facing forward
> and use a vent cover like this one.
> http://www.westmarine.com/buy/attwood--venturi-vents--P012_363_002_502
>
> Essentially this would be below/behind yours knees if you were sitting in
> that settee.  Overall it's a very clean and efficient installation. I
> believe other 30-2 owners would have a similar installation. I'll grab
> pictures this weekend if I remember.
>
> Kevin
> 30-2
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 7:31 PM Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/icebox/build_icebox.htm this
>> one?
>> On Jun 21, 2016 8:02 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Read about my refrigeration install.  There is a link on the
>>> cncphotoalbum home page. There was about 1 1/8 inch open cell sheet foam
>>> around the box.  There are pics in the project document.
>>>
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touché 35-1
>>> On Jun 21, 2016 6:17 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard.  I'm wondering if I
 need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box.
 How thick or good is the factory insulation?
 Thanks


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Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Reason is, you would have to reach over the evaporator to grab a cold beer
if you install as you are suggesting. Jim from above has his mounted same
way as mine. Against the back of the settee, running port/stbd with
condenser under settee in front. This allows maximum access to deep
portions of the reefer. It's a clean, efficient install IMO.

I will grab pics when I can.

Best,
Kevin

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:12 AM Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Our evaporator is vertical against the sink, but also forward on the
> inside of the box and the long dimension runs port-stbd. It's the way to
> go.
>
> What is your reasoning for it's location?
> I was going to do vertically against the sink, but the widest portion runs
> bow/stern.
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 5:52 AM, allen via CnC-List  > wrote:
>
>> Please get those pictures.  I have yet to mount the partition for the ice
>> box and see how the ice cube trays mount.  My admiral is rather short so
>> planning is essential if she's to be able to retrieve food from the bottom.
>>
>> Allen
>>
>> *From:* Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 2:25 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Kevin Driscoll 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
>>
>> Lorne,
>> Our evaporator is vertical against the sink, but also forward on the
>> inside of the box and the long dimension runs port-stbd. It's the way to
>> go. Compressor is just under the settee forward of the stbd sink. You will
>> have to cut a hole in the vertical fiberglass glass below the settee for
>> the compressor to breath. Larger is better for compressor... And less
>> attractive. Find a balance. I would do this on the portion facing forward
>> and use a vent cover like this one.
>> http://www.westmarine.com/buy/attwood--venturi-vents--P012_363_002_502
>>
>> Essentially this would be below/behind yours knees if you were sitting in
>> that settee.  Overall it's a very clean and efficient installation. I
>> believe other 30-2 owners would have a similar installation. I'll grab
>> pictures this weekend if I remember.
>>
>> Kevin
>> 30-2
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 7:31 PM Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/icebox/build_icebox.htm this
>>> one?
>>> On Jun 21, 2016 8:02 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Read about my refrigeration install.  There is a link on the
 cncphotoalbum home page. There was about 1 1/8 inch open cell sheet foam
 around the box.  There are pics in the project document.

 Dennis C.
 Touché 35-1
 On Jun 21, 2016 6:17 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" <
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard.  I'm wondering if I
> need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box.
> How thick or good is the factory insulation?
> Thanks
>
>
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Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

How about this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Quincy-240NG-compressor-Natural-Gas-on-skid-/161855848039

Dennis C.
On Jun 23, 2016 8:16 AM, "Richard N. Bush via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that
> will attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would
> require shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it
> shipped back to menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into
> converting and it is a bout a $2000 project...
> anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks
>
> Richard
> 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4
>
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
> Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
> Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
>
> We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.
> The cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a
> number of other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas
> (CNG).  We have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that
> supplies large CNG bottles to commercial customers where they do not have
> pipes to supply natural gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.
>
> I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there)
> the CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC
> so have no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to
> be certified in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them
> refilled.  One option is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for
> propane.
>
> The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I
> do not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require
> one.  My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit,
> modify the gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.
> Refilling the tanks is a much more attractive option.
>
> I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I
> also have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed
> to find one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long
> endeavor.
>
> I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new
> tank of the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It
> must also be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business
> thru one of our regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or
> Air Liquide.  Does anyone on this list have experience with where to
> purchase these tanks with the appropriate valves and who would fill them?
> The alternative would be to drive to the nearest place that exchanges these
> tanks which I believe is Camden Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and
> involves transporting gas canisters over an International border …
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax, NS
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 3:10 PM
> *To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stus-CNG tank refills
>
> The tanks is a modified SCUBA tank. 1100 PSI is about just under half
> full. They are usually about 2200-2400 when topped off.
> You need to go on FleaBay and look for an adapter to hook your tank up to
> the CNG station to fill it. They hold about $4 worth of gas. Your other
> choice is to find a marina that does CNG tank exchange for about $100!
> Something like THIS is what you need:
>
> http://www.morgan38.org/morgan38/index.php?threads/cng-adapter-to-refuel-cng-tanks-from-cng-vehicle-refuelling-pump.10262/
>
>
> Joe
> Coquina
> C&C 35 MK I
> CNG Stove
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Stus-List 30MKII batteries

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

On my C&C34-1 I have height restrictions under the quarter berth.  I was
able to go with a group 24 for the start plus 2 X 6V group 27 electric
vehicle batteries for the house bank.

Haze makes a 6V 200Ah AGM group 27 sized battery.  So far I'm happy with
these.

Think they are the HZB-EV6-200-2 listed here:
http://www.hazebattery.com/EVAGM/default.htm

Cheers,
Jeremy

On Jun 22, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Allan Rheaume  wrote:

Lorne I have 3 group 31's in the aft cabin, they fit but without covers on
top. I don't think you'll be able to fit 6V's in there height wise.


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*Cc:* Lorne Serpa 
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*Subject:* Re: Stus-List 30MKII batteries

Would be nice to shove 2x group 31 in there.
On Jun 22, 2016 1:56 PM, "kelly petew via CnC-List" 
wrote:

I have an Interstate brand  grp 24 or 27 "dual purpose" battery as my
starting battery.  Excellent battery.

Last season I added two [2] "31DCXC" Harris batteries [wet cell] for my
house bank.  I think these are group 31s with about 110 amp-hour capacity
[google "Harris Batteries', in Ohio to be sure].
As others have responded, these all reside under the aft cabinet berth.
I will say the current house bank has a lower profile than what they
replaced.  I had to glue a 1/2" wood strip to the front ends of the cover
boards in order to ensure clearance for the old batteries.

Hope this helps.

Pete W.

Siren Song
'91 C&C30-2
Deltaville, VA.
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Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

If you have a natural gas stove in your home, is it possible to tap into
the supply line and fill your tank at home? It will have already gone
through a regulator, so it will be low pressure.

I had CNG in my previous boat.  When I was in Victoria, I dropped the tank
off at a marine supply store.  They had it filled and back to me within a
week.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> How about this?
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Quincy-240NG-compressor-Natural-Gas-on-skid-/161855848039
> 
>
> Dennis C.
> On Jun 23, 2016 8:16 AM, "Richard N. Bush via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place
>> that will attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would
>> require shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it
>> shipped back to menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into
>> converting and it is a bout a $2000 project...
>> anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks
>>
>> Richard
>> 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4
>>
>>
>> Richard N. Bush
>> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
>> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
>> 502-584-7255
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
>> To: cnc-list 
>> Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
>> Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
>> Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
>>
>> We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.
>> The cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a
>> number of other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas
>> (CNG).  We have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that
>> supplies large CNG bottles to commercial customers where they do not have
>> pipes to supply natural gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.
>>
>> I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there)
>> the CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC
>> so have no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to
>> be certified in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them
>> refilled.  One option is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for
>> propane.
>>
>> The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I
>> do not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require
>> one.  My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit,
>> modify the gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.
>> Refilling the tanks is a much more attractive option.
>>
>> I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I
>> also have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed
>> to find one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long
>> endeavor.
>>
>> I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new
>> tank of the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It
>> must also be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business
>> thru one of our regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or
>> Air Liquide.  Does anyone on this list have experience with where to
>> purchase these tanks with the appropriate valves and who would fill them?
>> The alternative would be to drive to the nearest place that exchanges these
>> tanks which I believe is Camden Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and
>> involves transporting gas canisters over an International border …
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
>> Persistence
>> Halifax, NS
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe via
>> CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 3:10 PM
>> *To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
>> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stus-CNG tank refills
>>
>> The tanks is a modified SCUBA tank. 1100 PSI is about just under half
>> full. They are usually about 2200-2400 when topped off.
>> You need to go on FleaBay and look for an adapter to hook your tank up to
>> the CNG station to fill it. They hold about $4 worth of gas. Your other
>> choice is to find a marina that does CNG tank exchange for about $100!
>> Something like THIS is what you need:
>>
>> http://www.morgan38.org/morgan38/index.php?threads/cng-adapter-to-refuel-cng-tanks-from-cng-vehicle-refuelling-pump.10262/
>> 

Stus-List NY/NJ Racing in a 30mki

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Tom, thanks so much.  The Raritan bay could be a nice option.  Keeping her
and racing on Raritan Bay is probably out of the cards for us this year,
but maybe that's the spot to keep her next year - especially because
there's nice deep water there.  If that's what we decide to do, I'll
definitely get in touch.

Allen, thanks for the suggestion for Windjammers.  They're quite close to
where we are now and appear to still be active on the Barnegat.  By the way
- that shoaling at the entrance to the Tom's River is still there.  I knew
I was back in the Barnegat when I bumped off it on Sunday.  Hey, at least
is a soft bottom... just keep the speed up!
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Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Sure – that $6,000 compressor can fill CNG tanks from your home gas line. 
Unless you *really* like CNG, a propane stove would be cheaper. I suspect those 
get sold to people with CNG cars and no filling station nearby.
Joe
Coquina


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of ALAN BERGEN 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 2:26 PM
To: cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com
Cc: ALAN BERGEN
Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

If you have a natural gas stove in your home, is it possible to tap into the 
supply line and fill your tank at home? It will have already gone through a 
regulator, so it will be low pressure.
I had CNG in my previous boat.  When I was in Victoria, I dropped the tank off 
at a marine supply store.  They had it filled and back to me within a week.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

How about this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Quincy-240NG-compressor-Natural-Gas-on-skid-/161855848039

Dennis C.
On Jun 23, 2016 8:16 AM, "Richard N. Bush via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that will 
attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would require 
shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it shipped back to 
menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into converting and it is a 
bout a $2000 project...
anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks

Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.  The 
cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a number of 
other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas (CNG).  We 
have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that supplies large CNG 
bottles to commercial customers where they do not have pipes to supply natural 
gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.

I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there) the 
CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC so have 
no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to be certified 
in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them refilled.  One option 
is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for propane.

The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I do 
not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require one.  
My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit, modify the 
gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.  Refilling the tanks is 
a much more attractive option.

I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I also 
have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed to find 
one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long endeavor.

I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new tank of 
the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It must also 
be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business thru one of our 
regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or Air Liquide.  Does 
anyone on this list have experience with where to purchase these tanks with the 
appropriate valves and who would fill them?  The alternative would be to drive 
to the nearest place that exchanges these tanks which I believe is Camden 
Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and involves transporting gas canisters over 
an International border …

Thanks

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-CNG tank refills

The tanks is a modified SCUBA tank. 1100 PSI is about just under half full. 
They are usually about 2200-2400 when topped off.
You need to go on FleaBay and look for an adapter to hook your tank up to the 
CNG station to fill it. They hold a

Re: Stus-List Touch? racing Gulfport Pensacola offshore

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

I hope you do well but more importantly have fun!  I’ll be watching..  Maybe 
next year I’ll join you.


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 10:40:51 -0500
> From: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
> To: CnClist mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List Touch? racing Gulfport Pensacola offshore
> Message-ID:
>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Well, barring any crew cancellations, Touch? will race starting Friday
> noon.  We're light on crew so we're doing cruising non-spin.
> 
> Here's link to the race tracker site:
> 
> http://kws.kattack.com/GEPlayer/GMPosDisplay.aspx?FeedID=1568 
> 
> 
> You can see our track from Pensacola to Gulfport from yesterday there or at:
> 
> https://spotwalla.com/tripViewer.php?id=111ab575ac98a0d40e 
> 
> 
> Wind looks moderate early and very light late in the race. Right now
> Touche' is second lowest in class. Lowest is a Beneteau Oceanis 48 which
> owes us an hour for the 100 mile race. Dying winds favor the faster boats.
> Hope we can be close enough to the Bene at the end before the breeze dies.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touch? 35-1 #83
> Mandeville,LA

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Re: Stus-List Touch? racing Gulfport Pensacola offshore

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

We would love to have you!

Dennis
On Jun 23, 2016 1:56 PM, "Dreuge via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I hope you do well but more importantly have fun!  I’ll be watching..
> Maybe next year I’ll join you.
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C 38 Landfall
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
> On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 10:40:51 -0500
> From: "Dennis C." 
> To: CnClist 
> Subject: Stus-List Touch? racing Gulfport Pensacola offshore
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Well, barring any crew cancellations, Touch? will race starting Friday
> noon.  We're light on crew so we're doing cruising non-spin.
>
> Here's link to the race tracker site:
>
> http://kws.kattack.com/GEPlayer/GMPosDisplay.aspx?FeedID=1568
>
> You can see our track from Pensacola to Gulfport from yesterday there or
> at:
>
> https://spotwalla.com/tripViewer.php?id=111ab575ac98a0d40e
>
> Wind looks moderate early and very light late in the race. Right now
> Touche' is second lowest in class. Lowest is a Beneteau Oceanis 48 which
> owes us an hour for the 100 mile race. Dying winds favor the faster boats.
> Hope we can be close enough to the Bene at the end before the breeze dies.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touch? 35-1 #83
> Mandeville,LA
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List 30MKII batteries

[Allan Rheaume via CnC-List]

Allen, mine are lashed just without covers.
Al


  From: allen via CnC-List 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: allen 
 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 8:27 AM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List 30MKII batteries
   
Important you have lash downs for batteries since battery boxes are too tall. 
Alen
From: Allan Rheaume via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 5:16 PMTo: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Allan Rheaume Subject: Re: Stus-List 30MKII batteries
Lorne I have 3 group 31's in the aft cabin, they fit but without covers on top. 
I don't think you'll be able to fit 6V's in there height wise.


From: Lorne Serpa via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Lorne Serpa 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30MKII batteries

Would be nice to shove 2x group 31 in there. On Jun 22, 2016 1:56 PM, "kelly 
petew via CnC-List"  wrote:

I have an Interstate brand  grp 24 or 27 "dual purpose" battery as my 
starting battery.  Excellent battery.   Last season I added two [2] "31DCXC" 
Harris batteries [wet cell] for my house bank.  I think these are group 31s 
with about 110 amp-hour capacity [google "Harris Batteries', in Ohio to be 
sure].   As others have responded, these all reside under the aft cabinet 
berth. I will say the current house bank has a lower profile than what they 
replaced.  I had to glue a 1/2" wood strip to the front ends of the cover 
boards in order to ensure clearance for the old batteries.   Hope this helps.   
Pete W.   Siren Song '91 C&C30-2 Deltaville, VA.          
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Re: Stus-List Assymetrical spinnaker pole

[tom via CnC-List]

Mike's advice is spot on. If your thinking of using the pole as to :"wing
out" the asym as you might do with a genoa; this would be totally illegal.
The pole could only be used to attach the tack of the sail while the clew
must remain free-flying. PHRF regulations generally state that there be no
outside force from the hull to the sheet or clew of a spinnaker. Check with
your local to be sure.

Tom Oryniak
Carry On,  33-1
New Jersey

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:44 AM, TOM VINCENT via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I race on Wednesday nights on the Bohemia River in Maryland and lately the
> race committee has been doing a better job having a windward start and a
> down wind leg. Unfortunately, I use an assymetrical spinnaker which does
> very poorly dead down wind, even gybing has not helped. One of my crew was
> wondering if we used a regular spinnaker pole, if it would help us down
> wind. I was wondering if anyone on the forum has any experience using a
> pole with an assymetrical spinnaker.
>
> Tom Vincent
> Frolic II, C&C 36 cb
> Chesapeake City, MD
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Re: Stus-List Octopus Linear Drive Question

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Nope — it’s FOUR wires: two drive wires, and two clutch wires.  The drive wires 
are the high-load ones, and go to the pump motor; reversing the polarity on 
them runs the pump in the other direction.  The clutch wires can be small 
(12-14AWG) and engage/disengage the drive when you put the pilot into/out of 
control.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fred, you there?
> 
> Should be 3 wires - port starboard, neutral (I think)
> 
> I have the EV 200 on my Hylas 44.  Great unit, but Jake steers a better 
> course downwind in quartering seas!
> 
> Joel
> 
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Listers,
> 
> This weekend, hopefully, I’m planning to connect my old Octopus Linear Drive 
> to a brand new Raymarine EV200 Autopilot. Is anyone familiar with the Octopus 
> drive and its wiring, or have a link to a wiring manual? Is it just two wires 
> or is there more to it? 
> 
> By the way, we’ll be naming the autopilot the Steering Using Linear Utility, 
> or, you know, SULU. 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
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