Stus-List Handicapping Sprite and/or pole. Was Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Chuck

I think that is a question you will have to ask your area handicap association. 
 In our area (Nova Scotia) and I believe in most other areas you make a single 
declaration of inventory / rig for an entire season.  In Nova Scotia you would 
have to declare sprit/asym, pole/sym or both.  Many areas allow the use of an 
asym tacked centerline at bow in addition to standard pole/sym spinnaker with 
no penalty.  Adding the sprit in addition to the pole setup incurs penalty 
adjustments based on how long the Total Sprit Length is in relation to J.

On the other hand if you were planning to enter a distance race the committee 
for that race may allow you a different setup for that race or series.  That 
would likely be at the discretion of trace organizers

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 2:59 PM
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Cc: Chuck S
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36

Eric,

Will PHRF allow you two ratings? One with the sprit and one with the pole? I'm 
considering adding a sprit and top down furler for single handed races.


On January 31, 2018 at 10:47 AM Eric Baumes via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
That is in place of a standard spin and pole. If you declare both Asym on sprit 
and Symmetrical on pole you will get a PHRF penalty.

Eric

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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Got my sheaves back from Ed at zephyrwerks.com and they look awesome!  Just
as expected.  ~$50 each including shipping.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1ZoN2qr4EMsHaj_tntLvoHcIwuCM_E4Gd

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Jan 25, 2018 10:51 AM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:

> I reached out to the internet for some more info on sheave and rope
> sizes.  I stumbled upon a Marlow website which was loaded with technical
> details.  They had a FAQ section and then a submit your own question
> section.  Here is their answer.
>
> We normally say the ideal groove is one that has a width around 10-15%
> bigger than the rope diameter and has a semicircle profile.  The reason for
> this is that it supports the rope's shape without causing abrasion or
> distortion.  If the groove is too small then the rope rubs against the
> sides when entering and leaving the sheave and is squeezed, this causes
> abrasion and can accelerate rope wear.  If the groove is too big it allows
> the rope to distort and flatten as it enters the sheave, this will cause
> more internal abrasion and so accelerate fatigue.
>
> V grooves are normally used where the rope, or wire, is driving the sheave
> (or vice versa).  In this case the 'V' serves to increase the friction
> between the rope and the sheave at the expense of rope life.
>
> I hope this explains things.
>
> Regards,
> Paul Dyer | Technical Manager
> WWW.MARLOWROPES.COM
>
>
> So there you have it.  As previously discussed I'll be having the sheaves
> made with a 1/2" groove.  I'm willing to trade off slightly reduced service
> life for the versatility of a larger groove.  Hopefully this helps someone
> else.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2018 7:41 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>
>>
>>
>> I use the term stopper as a generic for sheet stoppers, halyard stoppers,
>> jammers, rope clutches, or almost any kind of mechanical cleat (except a
>> cam cleat.  I call those cam cleats).  I have some really old Schaefer rope
>> clutches that work just fine.  They hold 3/8” or 10mm line well, 7/16” most
>> of the time too.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t think there is any serious concern if the sheave is slightly too
>> large.  Yes, the halyard will be slightly flattened, as it will not be
>> supported quite as well, but as long as the difference is only 1/8” or so,
>> it’s not an issue.  A serious mismatch (1/4” or more) might be cause for
>> some concern, but it would be the long term damage from being repeatedly
>> flattened and reshaped as the line runs over the sheave.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jake
>>
>>
>>
>> *Jake Brodersen*
>>
>> *C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*
>>
>> *Hampton VA*
>>
>> [image: cid:image001.png@01D2F43E.567E4070]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
>> Muckley via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2018 21:42
>> *To:* C&C List 
>> *Cc:* Josh Muckley 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+
>>
>>
>>
>> Halyard stopper?  What's that?  Haha, no really what's that?  Stopper
>> balls?  Or jammers?
>>
>>
>>
>> You're right though 3/8ths is almost too small for my winches.  So
>> smaller is pretty unlikely.  But bigger might be nice, particularly if it
>> becomes necessary to run the taper of a core to core eye splice.
>>
>>
>>
>> The 3/8ths sta-set I have for my spin halyard is almost too small at
>> ~5000 lbs break strength.  I really like to make sure my lifting rigging is
>> sufficient for climbing standards.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess my question is, is there any disadvantage to running smaller line
>> in a big sheave.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh
>>
>
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Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

[David via CnC-List]

Hello All,


I am responsible for the trophys for a a fairly large NE regatta and do not 
want to do the same old same old.  PHRF boats on down to Lasers.


Any observations or experiences out there of great trophy ideas?


Thanks in advance.
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Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

One local regatta used conch shell "horns" of varying sizes and levels 
of adornment.


Not sure where they got them, but they were along these lines:




Bill Bina


On 2/1/2018 9:31 AM, David via CnC-List wrote:


Hello All,


I am responsible for the trophys for a a fairly large NE regatta and 
do not want to do the same old same old.  PHRF boats on down to Lasers.



Any observations or experiences out there of great trophy ideas?


Thanks in advance.



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Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Well, half models are always a great idea...
www.tridentstudio.com

Andy

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 9:31 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hello All,
>
>
> I am responsible for the trophys for a a fairly large NE regatta and do
> not want to do the same old same old.  PHRF boats on down to Lasers.
>
>
> Any observations or experiences out there of great trophy ideas?
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

[David via CnC-List]

That was my first thought...but the budget was thought # 2.  Let me see what I 
got and lets chat.


David F. Risch

(401) 419-4650 (cell)



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Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 9:42 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Burton
Subject: Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

Well, half models are always a great idea...
www.tridentstudio.com

Andy

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 9:31 AM, David via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hello All,


I am responsible for the trophys for a a fairly large NE regatta and do not 
want to do the same old same old.  PHRF boats on down to Lasers.


Any observations or experiences out there of great trophy ideas?


Thanks in advance.

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Re: Stus-List Handicapping Sprite and/or pole. Was Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36

[Charles Nelson via CnC-List]

In NC-PHRF, you get a single rating which is based on your largest 
headsail/fastest kite with penalties if you have a sprit, oversized kite/jib > 
155%, etc. and independent of race configuration (W-L, distance, etc.). If you 
choose not to race with your largest jib or your biggest kite, your rating 
remains the same.
FWIW and as others have mentioned, your local handicapping organization 
determines how these issues are handled.

Charlie Nelson
1995 C&C XL/kcb
Water Phantom

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 1, 2018, at 8:25 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chuck
>  
> I think that is a question you will have to ask your area handicap 
> association.  In our area (Nova Scotia) and I believe in most other areas you 
> make a single declaration of inventory / rig for an entire season.  In Nova 
> Scotia you would have to declare sprit/asym, pole/sym or both.  Many areas 
> allow the use of an asym tacked centerline at bow in addition to standard 
> pole/sym spinnaker with no penalty.  Adding the sprit in addition to the pole 
> setup incurs penalty adjustments based on how long the Total Sprit Length is 
> in relation to J.
>  
> On the other hand if you were planning to enter a distance race the committee 
> for that race may allow you a different setup for that race or series.  That 
> would likely be at the discretion of trace organizers
>  
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax, NS
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 2:59 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Chuck S
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36
>  
> Eric,
> 
> Will PHRF allow you two ratings? One with the sprit and one with the pole? 
> I'm considering adding a sprit and top down furler for single handed races.
> 
> 
> On January 31, 2018 at 10:47 AM Eric Baumes via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is in place of a standard spin and pole. If you declare both Asym on 
> sprit and Symmetrical on pole you will get a PHRF penalty.
>  
> Eric
>  
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Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

David,

Check out this site for some ideas: 
https://www.personalizationmall.com/Personalized-Gifts-for-Men-s20.store 
 

Pricing is great and you can personalize with your regatta’s name. If there’s 
more than a week between race day and awards day, you could really personalize 
with boat names. 

Some of it can be really useful: 
https://preview.personalizationmall.com/preview.iglx?igOutput=Jpg85&productid=15311&itemid=40820&value1=ENTERPRISE&value2=Dave%27s+Regatta
 

  

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 







> On Feb 1, 2018, at 9:31 AM, David via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I am responsible for the trophys for a a fairly large NE regatta and do not 
> want to do the same old same old.  PHRF boats on down to Lasers.
> 
> Any observations or experiences out there of great trophy ideas?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I'll work with you as best I can.
Andy

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 9:47 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> That was my first thought...but the budget was thought # 2.  Let me see
> what I got and lets chat.
>
>
> David F. Risch
>
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Andrew
> Burton via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 1, 2018 9:42 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Andrew Burton
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys
>
> Well, half models are always a great idea...
> www.tridentstudio.com
> 
>
> Andy
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 9:31 AM, David via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
>
> I am responsible for the trophys for a a fairly large NE regatta and do
> not want to do the same old same old.  PHRF boats on down to Lasers.
>
>
> Any observations or experiences out there of great trophy ideas?
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
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> 
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Re: Stus-List AIS improvement + general rewiring

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The new cable was the trick! ☺
Not only am I getting AIS data into the CP180, it now picks up GPS data on port 
1 as well. Before the firmware update, GPS data had to be on port 3, which is 
the second connector on the back. Now I just need to pull the old cable and 
replace it. I think I am going to replace all the coax on the boat as well, it 
all dates from about 1984 to 1994 at the newest. I also gained split screen 
charts. This is a little silly considering the CP180 screen isn’t very big, but 
it does work.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35  MK I

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Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 7:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS improvement + general rewiring

No luck ☹
The CP180 will NOT take data into port 1 or 2 no matter what. To make matters 
worse, the cabling goes through the pedestal and winds all over to the chart 
table. Taking the splice apart would be a project.
I think I am going to cough up the $18.00 and get another data cable to test 
with.
Someone asked about the WiFi link – here you go:
http://www.yakbitz.com/
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NMEA-to-WiFi-BRIDGE/182598371832?hash=item2a83b609f8:g:Ab8AAOSwqfNXlsfL&vxp=mtr

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Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I don’t have many on my shelf, but my favorite has always been the acrylic boat 
model trophies. I am not a fan of traditional mugs and glasses.  I like the 
fact that these actually looks like a boat and can be somewhat tailored to the 
actual class the award is for, and the engraving can be clearly seen.  Some 
examples here:
http://www.sailingtrophies.com/gallery1.htm 


Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Feb 1, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'll work with you as best I can.
> Andy
> 
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 9:47 AM, David via CnC-List  > wrote:
> That was my first thought...but the budget was thought # 2.  Let me see what 
> I got and lets chat.
> 
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650  (cell)
> 
> 
> From: CnC-List  > on behalf of Andrew Burton via 
> CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 9:42 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Andrew Burton
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys
>  
> Well, half models are always a great idea...
> www.tridentstudio.com 
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 9:31 AM, David via CnC-List  > wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I am responsible for the trophys for a a fairly large NE regatta and do not 
> want to do the same old same old.  PHRF boats on down to Lasers.
> 
> Any observations or experiences out there of great trophy ideas?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett Ave
> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
> phone  +401 965 5260
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett Ave
> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Colorado Sail & Yacht Club has been using etched pint glasses for a couple 
years, from a desire for awards to be useful.  My crew and I drink our beer 
from Grenadine’s award glasses for good luck.  I’m not sure where the club gets 
these but I could find out.  See pictures at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1cOIU9qO8AtksleQXkw18DlSZkCHoiPEM 


Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:31 AM, David via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I am responsible for the trophys for a a fairly large NE regatta and do not 
> want to do the same old same old.  PHRF boats on down to Lasers.
> 
> Any observations or experiences out there of great trophy ideas?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> ___
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Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

SBO has a selection of glass and Lexan drinkware 
(https://shop.sailboatowners.com/personal/index_per.php)

Marek

From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 11:20
To: cnc-list
Cc: Randy Stafford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

Colorado Sail & Yacht Club has been using etched pint glasses for a couple 
years, from a desire for awards to be useful.  My crew and I drink our beer 
from Grenadine’s award glasses for good luck.  I’m not sure where the club gets 
these but I could find out.  See pictures at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1cOIU9qO8AtksleQXkw18DlSZkCHoiPEM

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:31 AM, David via CnC-List  wrote:

Hello All,

I am responsible for the trophys for a a fairly large NE regatta and do not 
want to do the same old same old.  PHRF boats on down to Lasers.

Any observations or experiences out there of great trophy ideas?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Stus-List "Maritime Documentation Center"

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Bill — just for grins, I sent off an inquiry to the National Vessel 
Documentation Center asking if it was possible to tell me how many documented 
vessels were in a particular state.  I received the following reply:

>> This is in response to your e-mail dated January 26, 2018 asking question 
>> concerning the National Vessel Documentation Center's database.
>> 
>> The National Vessel Documentation Center is unable to search for vessels by 
>> state.  We search by Coast Guard official number, hull number and/or owner 
>> name.

As I’m sure they have a “real” database with all of this info, this just means 
they aren’t interested in doing it…

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Jan 26, 2018, at 9:00 AM, coltrek via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I'll bet you can count the number of documented vessels in Colorado on one 
> hand !
> 
> 
> Bill

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Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

[detroito91 via CnC-List]

Go to michaels, or similar craft store. You can etch your own mugs or 
glassware. Did it for a cancer fund raiser as skipper awards.Jim schwartz 38 
lfSEA YA !washington nc
 Original message From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
 Date: 2/1/18  11:19 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list 
 Cc: Randy Stafford  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys 
Colorado Sail & Yacht Club has been using etched pint glasses for a couple 
years, from a desire for awards to be useful.  My crew and I drink our beer 
from Grenadine’s award glasses for good luck.  I’m not sure where the club gets 
these but I could find out.  See pictures at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1cOIU9qO8AtksleQXkw18DlSZkCHoiPEM
Cheers,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC&C 30-1 #7Ken Caryl, CO
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Hello All,

I am responsible for the trophys for a a fairly large NE regatta and do not 
want to do the same old same old.  PHRF boats on down to Lasers.

Any observations or experiences out there of great trophy ideas?

Thanks in advance.





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Re: Stus-List "Maritime Documentation Center"

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We need SQL access to that database:  select state, count(*) from 
vessel_registration group by 1 order by 1;

Sorry, couldn’t help myself :)

Cheers,
Randy

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>  wrote:
> 
> Bill — just for grins, I sent off an inquiry to the National Vessel 
> Documentation Center asking if it was possible to tell me how many documented 
> vessels were in a particular state.  I received the following reply:
> 
>>> This is in response to your e-mail dated January 26, 2018 asking question 
>>> concerning the National Vessel Documentation Center's database.
>>> 
>>> The National Vessel Documentation Center is unable to search for vessels by 
>>> state.  We search by Coast Guard official number, hull number and/or owner 
>>> name.
> 
> As I’m sure they have a “real” database with all of this info, this just 
> means they aren’t interested in doing it…
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 9:00 AM, coltrek via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>> I'll bet you can count the number of documented vessels in Colorado on one 
>> hand !
>> 
>> 
>> Bill
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[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

It might be a rather complicated search query. You might be able to 
purchase the complete database and then develop your own custom query. 
Bear in mind that there are many categories (6?) of documented vessels 
besides "recreational". The two letter state initials are in the same 
field as the rest of the hailing port, and not in it's own field, so 
that may be a problem, too. I looked at the application form, CG1258, 
and they do not have the state in a box of its own. Possibly not quite 
as easy as it might seem at first glance.


Bill Bina


On 2/1/2018 11:36 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
Bill — just for grins, I sent off an inquiry to the National Vessel 
Documentation Center asking if it was possible to tell me how many 
documented vessels were in a particular state.  I received the 
following reply:


This is in response to your e-mail dated January 26, 2018 asking 
question concerning the National Vessel Documentation Center's database.


The National Vessel Documentation Center is unable to search for 
vessels by state.  We search by Coast Guard official number, hull 
number and/or owner name.


As I’m sure they have a “real” database with all of this info, this 
just means they aren’t interested in doing it…


— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 26, 2018, at 9:00 AM, coltrek via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I'll bet you can count the number of documented vessels in Colorado 
on one hand !



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Re: Stus-List Handicapping Sprite and/or pole. Was Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36

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FWIW- I have a selden sprit for sale if anyone is interested.   
Email me for details. 



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On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 8:50 AM -0600, "Charles Nelson via CnC-List" 
 wrote:










In NC-PHRF, you get a single rating which is based on your largest 
headsail/fastest kite with penalties if you have a sprit, oversized kite/jib > 
155%, etc. and independent of race configuration (W-L, distance, etc.). If you 
choose not to race with your largest jib or your biggest kite, your rating 
remains the same.FWIW and as others have mentioned, your local handicapping 
organization determines how these issues are handled.
Charlie Nelson1995 C&C XL/kcbWater Phantom

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Hi Chuck


 


I think that is a question you will have to ask your area handicap association. 
 In our area (Nova Scotia) and I believe in most other areas you make a single
 declaration of inventory / rig for an entire season.  In Nova Scotia you would 
have to declare sprit/asym, pole/sym or both.  Many areas allow the use of an 
asym tacked centerline at bow in addition to standard pole/sym spinnaker with 
no penalty.  Adding the
 sprit in addition to the pole setup incurs penalty adjustments based on how 
long the Total Sprit Length is in relation to J.


 


On the other hand if you were planning to enter a distance race the committee 
for that race may allow you a different setup for that race or series.  That 
would
 likely be at the discretion of trace organizers


 


Mike


Persistence


Halifax, NS


 




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Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36




 


Eric,



Will PHRF allow you two ratings? One with the sprit and one with the pole? I'm 
considering adding a sprit and top down furler for single handed races.








On January 31, 2018 at 10:47 AM Eric Baumes via CnC-List 
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That is in place of a standard spin and pole. If you declare both Asym on sprit 
and Symmetrical on pole you will get a PHRF penalty.



 




Eric





 




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Stus-List Source for sat phone rentals?

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Does anyone have a source for sat phone rentals they can recommend?
Globalstar discontinued pre-paid plans, so I need a rental for June.

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Re: Stus-List Source for sat phone rentals?

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Satphonestore.com.   They know marine usage.   Good experiences with them.

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Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

David,

Embroidered Soft sided coolers make great regatta trophies that generally
won't get stuck on a shelf somewhere.  They get USED!  And they'll get
attention on the YC launch the next time you go out to the boat.

Regatta Logo and year,  plus the class and finish position.  Big enough to
hold a 12 pack.

I'm not a great sailor by any means, but between my son and I, there's no
room left on the trophy shelf for more bronze, plexiglass, or etched glass
regatta trophies.

And if you have any input, ask if they'll let Etchells race in that fairly
large regatta this year.  Our class needs a local event.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

 

Whisper (crew)

Etchells Hull 380

Padanaram, MA

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

 

Hello All,

 

I am responsible for the trophys for a a fairly large NE regatta and do not
want to do the same old same old.  PHRF boats on down to Lasers.

 

Any observations or experiences out there of great trophy ideas?

 

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Stus-List Source for sat phone rentals?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

It is not a satellite phone, but consider inReach Explorer.

It works quite well for emergency situations and is substantially cheaper. Btw. 
it is better than Spot.

Marek

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Marek,

I don't think the RC will accept an inReach.  They require a phone.
I know the inReach gets good reviews.  I'll probably buy one down the road.

Joel

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
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> It is not a satellite phone, but consider inReach Explorer.
>
> It works quite well for emergency situations and is substantially cheaper.
> Btw. it is better than Spot.
>
> Marek
>
> *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 1, 2018 13:31
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson
> *Subject:* Stus-List Source for sat phone rentals?
>
> Does anyone have a source for sat phone rentals they can recommend?
> Globalstar discontinued pre-paid plans, so I need a rental for June.
>
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Re: Stus-List Source for sat phone rentals?

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I'll second the inReach, Joel. Cheap communications with home via text.
But, as you say, not what the RC want.
What race are you doing? I'm just getting ready for Npt-Bda with the new
boat and jumping through the same hoops.

Andy
Formerly of C&C 40
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On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Marek,
>
> I don't think the RC will accept an inReach.  They require a phone.
> I know the inReach gets good reviews.  I'll probably buy one down the road.
>
> Joel
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> It is not a satellite phone, but consider inReach Explorer.
>>
>> It works quite well for emergency situations and is substantially
>> cheaper. Btw. it is better than Spot.
>>
>> Marek
>>
>> *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 1, 2018 13:31
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Joel Aronson
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Source for sat phone rentals?
>>
>> Does anyone have a source for sat phone rentals they can recommend?
>> Globalstar discontinued pre-paid plans, so I need a rental for June.
>>
>> --
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>> 301 541 8551 <(301)%20541-8551>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Source for sat phone rentals?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Andy,

That's exciting!  I'm doing Annapolis Bermuda.  Our requirements are not as
strict as N-B.  We don't need the phone always on with an external antenna
as you do.  Also can use an ORR EZ certificate, so no need to have the boat
weighed and measured.

If you are fast enough, I'll see in at RHADC!

Joel

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On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'll second the inReach, Joel. Cheap communications with home via text.
> But, as you say, not what the RC want.
> What race are you doing? I'm just getting ready for Npt-Bda with the new
> boat and jumping through the same hoops.
>
> Andy
> Formerly of C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Marek,
>>
>> I don't think the RC will accept an inReach.  They require a phone.
>> I know the inReach gets good reviews.  I'll probably buy one down the
>> road.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It is not a satellite phone, but consider inReach Explorer.
>>>
>>> It works quite well for emergency situations and is substantially
>>> cheaper. Btw. it is better than Spot.
>>>
>>> Marek
>>>
>>> *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 1, 2018 13:31
>>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> *Cc:* Joel Aronson
>>> *Subject:* Stus-List Source for sat phone rentals?
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a source for sat phone rentals they can recommend?
>>> Globalstar discontinued pre-paid plans, so I need a rental for June.
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

We'll be fast, Joel...for a cruising boat. Got a great crew!
Already made my reservation at RBYC, but will be at RHADC for the Storm
Trysail party on Thurs the 21st.
We plan to stick around for a few days and cruise around the island before
we head home.
Hope to see you there!
Andy

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Andy,
>
> That's exciting!  I'm doing Annapolis Bermuda.  Our requirements are not
> as strict as N-B.  We don't need the phone always on with an external
> antenna as you do.  Also can use an ORR EZ certificate, so no need to have
> the boat weighed and measured.
>
> If you are fast enough, I'll see in at RHADC!
>
> Joel
>
> Joel
>
>
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> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll second the inReach, Joel. Cheap communications with home via text.
>> But, as you say, not what the RC want.
>> What race are you doing? I'm just getting ready for Npt-Bda with the new
>> boat and jumping through the same hoops.
>>
>> Andy
>> Formerly of C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Marek,
>>>
>>> I don't think the RC will accept an inReach.  They require a phone.
>>> I know the inReach gets good reviews.  I'll probably buy one down the
>>> road.
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 It is not a satellite phone, but consider inReach Explorer.

 It works quite well for emergency situations and is substantially
 cheaper. Btw. it is better than Spot.

 Marek

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 *Sent:* Thursday, February 1, 2018 13:31
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* Joel Aronson
 *Subject:* Stus-List Source for sat phone rentals?

 Does anyone have a source for sat phone rentals they can recommend?
 Globalstar discontinued pre-paid plans, so I need a rental for June.

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Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

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One thing to consider about sheave sizes which I did not think about when I
replaced my halyards... don't forget to allow for the eidth of your line
due to your eye splice for your halyard shackle. It obviously makes the
line much thicker and makes it harder to hoist the last 8"-12" or so of the
halyard without creating abrasion on the halyard.

It was suggested to me to instead use something called the Jeanneau Halyard
Knot... something I never heard of in all my years of sailing but it solved
the problem for me and now I can raise the the halyard 100% without concern
for halyard wearing out faster at the top... here is a link on how to tie
the knot for those interested and never heard of it like me... I am
probably one of the last people to hear about it... never too late to learn.

  --  http://jeanneau.tripod.com/hintsandtips/id137.htm

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Jim,

I starting using it a couple years ago.  The only way to undo it is with a
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> One thing to consider about sheave sizes which I did not think about when
> I replaced my halyards... don't forget to allow for the eidth of your line
> due to your eye splice for your halyard shackle. It obviously makes the
> line much thicker and makes it harder to hoist the last 8"-12" or so of the
> halyard without creating abrasion on the halyard.
>
> It was suggested to me to instead use something called the Jeanneau
> Halyard Knot... something I never heard of in all my years of sailing but
> it solved the problem for me and now I can raise the the halyard 100%
> without concern for halyard wearing out faster at the top... here is a link
> on how to tie the knot for those interested and never heard of it like
> me... I am probably one of the last people to hear about it... never too
> late to learn.
>
>   --  http://jeanneau.tripod.com/hintsandtips/id137.htm
>
> Regards
> Jim
> S/V Strong Tower
> 1977 C&C 29 MK 1
> North East, Maryland
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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yeah Jim that was one of the factors I was considering in my future-proof
approach.  I thought it would be a stretch to think that I would go up to
5/8ths or really even 1/2 but the core to core eye splice was definitely in
the consideration.  Like you, I have elected to use a knot.  I prefer the
double over hand or barrel knot since the tail lays in line with the
working end.  I found some research that stated that the knot would retain
%80 of the ropes original strength.  The biggest downside is that it is a
constricting knot and once loaded it is impossible to untie.  I'm not
concerned since if I ever have to untie it then I will be replacing the
halyard or freshening up the end.  In freshening the end I'd be loosing
about 6" cutting out the knot but saving at least 3 feet compared to
replacing an eye splice.  Re-splicing old line can be troublesome too

http://caves.org/section/vertical/nh/46/doitie.html

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Feb 1, 2018 3:30 PM, "Jim Giffing via CnC-List" 
wrote:

One thing to consider about sheave sizes which I did not think about when I
replaced my halyards... don't forget to allow for the eidth of your line
due to your eye splice for your halyard shackle. It obviously makes the
line much thicker and makes it harder to hoist the last 8"-12" or so of the
halyard without creating abrasion on the halyard.

It was suggested to me to instead use something called the Jeanneau Halyard
Knot... something I never heard of in all my years of sailing but it solved
the problem for me and now I can raise the the halyard 100% without concern
for halyard wearing out faster at the top... here is a link on how to tie
the knot for those interested and never heard of it like me... I am
probably one of the last people to hear about it... never too late to learn.

  --  http://jeanneau.tripod.com/hintsandtips/id137.htm

Regards
Jim
S/V Strong Tower
1977 C&C 29 MK 1
North East, Maryland

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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Nice knot.  If you’re going to go that route, why not just tie a bowline?

From: Jim Giffing via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 3:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Jim Giffing 
Subject: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

One thing to consider about sheave sizes which I did not think about when I 
replaced my halyards... don't forget to allow for the eidth of your line due to 
your eye splice for your halyard shackle. It obviously makes the line much 
thicker and makes it harder to hoist the last 8"-12" or so of the halyard 
without creating abrasion on the halyard.


It was suggested to me to instead use something called the Jeanneau Halyard 
Knot... something I never heard of in all my years of sailing but it solved the 
problem for me and now I can raise the the halyard 100% without concern for 
halyard wearing out faster at the top... here is a link on how to tie the knot 
for those interested and never heard of it like me... I am probably one of the 
last people to hear about it... never too late to learn.

  --  http://jeanneau.tripod.com/hintsandtips/id137.htm 


Regards
Jim

S/V Strong Tower

1977 C&C 29 MK 1

North East, Maryland




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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

" If you’re going to go that route, why not just tie a bowline?"

Because:

   1. This knot is more secure, it will not come undone, even if you want
   it to.  A bowline can shake out under certain circumstances when unloaded.
   2. This knot is slightly shorter in length so you get slightly more
   hoist on your halyard.
   3. This knot makes an abrupt stopper so will not, in fact cannot slip
   into the sheave and jam.
   4. This knot retains slightly more strength for the line, 80% for this
   vs. 60% for a bowline.

It is a very good knot for this purpose.  It's what we use on our spinnaker
halyards, sheets and guys.

Ken H.

On 1 February 2018 at 17:06, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Nice knot.  If you’re going to go that route, why not just tie a bowline?
>
> *From:* Jim Giffing via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2018 3:29 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Jim Giffing 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+
>
> One thing to consider about sheave sizes which I did not think about when
> I replaced my halyards... don't forget to allow for the eidth of your line
> due to your eye splice for your halyard shackle. It obviously makes the
> line much thicker and makes it harder to hoist the last 8"-12" or so of the
> halyard without creating abrasion on the halyard.
>
> It was suggested to me to instead use something called the Jeanneau
> Halyard Knot... something I never heard of in all my years of sailing but
> it solved the problem for me and now I can raise the the halyard 100%
> without concern for halyard wearing out faster at the top... here is a link
> on how to tie the knot for those interested and never heard of it like
> me... I am probably one of the last people to hear about it... never too
> late to learn.
>
>   --  http://jeanneau.tripod.com/hintsandtips/id137.htm
>
> Regards
> Jim
> S/V Strong Tower
> 1977 C&C 29 MK 1
> North East, Maryland
>
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Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

[Charlie Normand via CnC-List]

Anchor Bend Glass. Newport ri.

i...@anchorbendglass.com

Charlie



On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:47 PM Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> David,
>
> Embroidered Soft sided coolers make great regatta trophies that generally
> won’t get stuck on a shelf somewhere.  They get USED!  And they’ll get
> attention on the YC launch the next time you go out to the boat.
>
> Regatta Logo and year,  plus the class and finish position.  Big enough to
> hold a 12 pack.
>
> I’m not a great sailor by any means, but between my son and I, there’s no
> room left on the trophy shelf for more bronze, plexiglass, or etched glass
> regatta trophies.
>
> And if you have any input, ask if they’ll let Etchells race in that fairly
> large regatta this year.  Our class needs a local event.
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V Half Magic
>
> 1983 35 Landfall
>
>
>
> Whisper (crew)
>
> Etchells Hull 380
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David
> via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 1, 2018 9:32 AM
> *To:* CNC CNC 
> *Cc:* David 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> I am responsible for the trophys for a a fairly large NE regatta and do
> not want to do the same old same old.  PHRF boats on down to Lasers.
>
>
>
> Any observations or experiences out there of great trophy ideas?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Stus-List "Maritime Documentation Center"

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

You can do certain searches yourself, online here:
http://cgmix.uscg.mil/PSIX/PSIXSearch.aspx

"The Port State Information eXchange (PSIX) system contains vessel specific
information derived from the United States Coast Guard's Marine Information
Safety and Law Enforcement System (MISLE).

The information contained in PSIX represents a weekly snapshot of Freedom
of Information Act (FOIA) data on U.S. flag vessels, foreign vessels
operating in U.S. waters, and Coast Guard contacts with those vessels.
Information on unclosed cases or cases pending further action is considered
privileged information and is precluded from the PSIX system."


The online search tool only allows the following search criteria, so by
State would be difficult.:

Vessel Name:
Primary Vessel Number:
Hull Identification Number (HIN):
Vessel Call Sign:
Vessel Flag:
Vessel Service:
Vessel Build Year:
Out of Service:
Vessel Name:
Primary Vessel Number:
Hull Identification Number (HIN):
Vessel Call Sign:
Vessel Flag:   ALL  AFGHANISTAN  ALAND ISLANDS  ALBANIA  ALGERIA  ANDORRA
ANGOLA  ANGUILLA  ANTARCTICA  ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA  ARGENTINA  ARMENIA  ARUBA
AUSTRALIA  AUSTRIA  AZERBAIJAN  BAHAMAS, THE  BAHRAIN  BANGLADESH  BARBADOS
BELGIUM  BELIZE  BENIN  BERMUDA  BOLIVIA  BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA  BOTSWANA
BRAZIL  BRITISH INDIAN OCEAN TERRITORY  BRUNEI  BULGARIA  BURKINA FASO
CAMBODIA  CAMEROON  CANADA  CAPE VERDE  CAYMAN ISLANDS  CHILE  CHINA  CHRISTMAS
ISLAND  COLOMBIA  COMOROS  CONGO  COOK ISLANDS  COSTA RICA  CÔTE D'IVOIRE
CROATIA  CUBA  CURACAO  CYPRUS  CZECH REPUBLIC  DENMARK  DJIBOUTI  DOMINICA
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC  ECUADOR  EGYPT  EL SALVADOR  EQUATORIAL GUINEA  ESTONIA
FALKLAND ISLANDS (ISLAS MALVINAS)  FAROE ISLANDS  FIJI  FINLAND  FRANCE  FRENCH
GUIANA  FRENCH POLYNESIA  FRENCH SOUTHERN AND ANTARCTIC LANDS  GABON  GAMBIA,
THE  GEORGIA  GERMANY  GHANA  GIBRALTAR  GREECE  GREENLAND  GRENADA
GUADELOUPE  GUAM  GUATEMALA  Guernsey  GUINEA  GUINEA-BISSAU  GUYANA  HAITI
HONDURAS  HONG KONG  HUNGARY  ICELAND  INDIA  INDONESIA  IRAN  IRAQ  IRELAND
ISLE OF MAN  ISRAEL  ITALY  JAMAICA  JAPAN  JERSEY  JORDAN  KAZAKHSTAN
KENYA  KIRIBATI  KUWAIT  KYRGYZSTAN  LAOS  LATVIA  LEBANON  LESOTHO  LIBERIA
LIBYA  LITHUANIA  LUXEMBOURG  MACEDONIA, THE FORMER YUGOSLAV REPUBLIC OF
MADAGASCAR  MALAWI  MALAYSIA  MALDIVES  MALI  MALTA  MARSHALL ISLANDS
MARTINIQUE  MAURITANIA  MAURITIUS  MEXICO  MICRONESIA, FEDERATED STATES OF
MOLDOVA  MONACO  MONGOLIA  MONTSERRAT  MOROCCO  MYANMAR (BURMA)  NAMIBIA
NAURU  NEPAL  NETHERLANDS  NETHERLANDS ANTILLES  NEW CALEDONIA  NEW ZEALAND
NICARAGUA  NIGERIA  NIUE  NORFOLK ISLAND  NORTH KOREA  NORTHERN MARIANA
ISLANDS  NORWAY  OMAN  PAKISTAN  PALAU  PANAMA  PAPUA NEW GUINEA  PARAGUAY
PERU  PHILIPPINES  POLAND  PORTUGAL  QATAR  ROMANIA  RUSSIA  SAINT KITTS
AND NEVIS  SAINT LUCIA  SAINT PIERRE AND MIQUELON  SAINT VINCENT AND THE
GRENADINES  SAMOA  SAO TOME AND PRINCIPE  SAUDI ARABIA  SENEGAL  SERBIA AND
MONTENEGRO  SEYCHELLES  SIERRA LEONE  SINGAPORE  SLOVAKIA  SLOVENIA  SOLOMON
ISLANDS  SOUTH AFRICA  SOUTH KOREA  SOVIET UNION  SPAIN  SRI LANKA
STATELESS  SUDAN  SURINAME  SWAZILAND  SWEDEN  SWITZERLAND  SYRIA  TAIWAN
TANZANIA  THAILAND  TOGO  TONGA  TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO  TRUST TERRITORY OF
THE PACIFIC ISLANDS  TUNISIA  TURKEY  TURKMENISTAN  TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS
TUVALU  UKRAINE  UNITED ARAB EMIRATES  UNITED KINGDOM  UNITED STATES
UNKNOWN  URUGUAY  UZBEKISTAN  VANUATU  VENEZUELA  VIETNAM  VIRGIN ISLANDS,
BRITISH  WALLIS AND FUTUNA  WESTERN SAHARA  YEMEN  ZIMBABWE
Vessel Service:   ALL  Commercial Fishing Vessel  Fish Processing
Vessel  Fishing
Tender  Freight Barge  Freight Ship  In-service – Inspected  Industrial
Vessel  Mobile Offshore Drilling Unit  Not in vessel service  Offshore
Supply Vessel  Oil Recovery  Passenger (Inspected)  Passenger (Uninspected)
Passenger Barge  (Inspected)  Passenger Barge  (Uninspected)  Public Freight
Public Tankship/Barge  Public Vessel, Unclassified  Recreational  Research
Vessel  School Ship  Tank Barge  Tank Ship  Towing Vessel  Unclassified
Unknown
Vessel Build Year: *()*
Out of Service:
Ken H.

On 1 February 2018 at 13:13, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It might be a rather complicated search query. You might be able to
> purchase the complete database and then develop your own custom query. Bear
> in mind that there are many categories (6?) of documented vessels besides
> "recreational". The two letter state initials are in the same field as the
> rest of the hailing port, and not in it's own field, so that may be a
> problem, too. I looked at the application form, CG1258, and they do not
> have the state in a box of its own. Possibly not quite as easy as it might
> seem at first glance.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 2/1/2018 11:36 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Bill — just for grins, I sent off an inquiry to the National Vessel
> Documentation Center asking if it was possible to tell me how many
> documented vessels were in a particular state.  I r

Re: Stus-List "Maritime Documentation Center"

[BillBinaList via CnC-List]

Yes, I know about all of this. The problem is that they do not isolate 
the data regarding "state" when collecting the data. All they have is 
"hailing port" which can be just about anything. Usually it includes a 
two letter abbreviation for the state, but it is not captured as a 
separate piece. People also often give their land based home as the 
hailing port, even if it is hundreds of miles from where the boat is 
kept. The mailing address also does not always tell you what state the 
boat is in. Trust me, this is not as easy as it looks. :-)


Bill Bina


On 2/1/2018 4:50 PM, Ken Heaton wrote:
You can do certain searches yourself, online here: 
http://cgmix.uscg.mil/PSIX/PSIXSearch.aspx


"The Port State Information eXchange (PSIX) system contains vessel
specific information derived from the United States Coast Guard's
Marine Information Safety and Law Enforcement System (MISLE).

The information contained in PSIX represents a weekly snapshot of
Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) data on U.S. flag vessels,
foreign vessels operating in U.S. waters, and Coast Guard contacts
with those vessels. Information on unclosed cases or cases pending
further action is considered privileged information and is
precluded from the PSIX system."


The online search tool only allows the following search criteria, so 
by State would be difficult.:


Vessel Name:
Primary Vessel Number:
Hull Identification Number (HIN):
Vessel Call Sign:
Vessel Flag:
Vessel Service:
Vessel Build Year:
Out of Service:
Vessel Name:
Primary Vessel Number:  
Hull Identification Number (HIN):   
Vessel Call Sign:   
Vessel Flag:
Vessel Service: 
Vessel Build Year:  *()*
Out of Service:


Ken H.

On 1 February 2018 at 13:13, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


It might be a rather complicated search query. You might be able
to purchase the complete database and then develop your own custom
query. Bear in mind that there are many categories (6?) of
documented vessels besides "recreational". The two letter state
initials are in the same field as the rest of the hailing port,
and not in it's own field, so that may be a problem, too. I looked
at the application form, CG1258, and they do not have the state in
a box of its own. Possibly not quite as easy as it might seem at
first glance.

Bill Bina


On 2/1/2018 11:36 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:

Bill — just for grins, I sent off an inquiry to the National
Vessel Documentation Center asking if it was possible to tell me
how many documented vessels were in a particular state.  I
received the following reply:


This is in response to your e-mail dated January 26, 2018
asking question concerning the National Vessel Documentation
Center's database.

The National Vessel Documentation Center is unable to search
for vessels by state.  We search by Coast Guard official
number, hull number and/or owner name.


As I’m sure they have a “real” database with all of this info,
this just means they aren’t interested in doing it…

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield,
WI   :^(


On Jan 26, 2018, at 9:00 AM, coltrek via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I'll bet you can count the number of documented vessels in
Colorado on one hand !


Bill




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Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

[Jim Giffing via CnC-List]

Everyone has their favorite knots and they all have their merits, so if
your happy with your arrangement stay with it.

The reasons why I like this Jeanneau Halyard knot is that it won't untie
it's self as Joel pointed out and because the bitter end is away from the
sheave and not likely to foul when fully hoisted.

With the bowline, Matt, it can jam in the sheave and over time it can cause
the knot to (term I heard a rigger use) capsize or as they added "becomes a
non-knot" making it vulnerable to coming apart. I had this situation on one
of my old halyards before it was replaced with the halyard knot.

The barrel knot mentioned by Josh looks better than the bowline because it
does not look like it can capsize, but because the bitter trails back along
the halyard, I  would worry that it too may be prone to jamming in the
sheave ... I don't know and don't want to know :)

I am certainly no expert on the absolute best knot but I was impressed with
the properties of Jeanneau halyard knot.

My two cents. :) and a half hitch!

Regards
Jim
S/V Strong Tower
1977 C&C 29 MK 1
North East, Maryland
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Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

When i did trophies for a large local regatta, I went to a local Mikasa
discount outlet.  They had a nice selection of glassware on clearance in
several sizes, large (1st), medium (2nd), small (3rd).  I got a local
trophy store to engrave small brass labels for each award.

Agree with many replies of getting useful items.  Also like anything that
doesn't need to be polished.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Feb 1, 2018 7:32 AM, "David via CnC-List"  wrote:

Hello All,


I am responsible for the trophys for a a fairly large NE regatta and do not
want to do the same old same old.  PHRF boats on down to Lasers.


Any observations or experiences out there of great trophy ideas?


Thanks in advance.

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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I've heard that a bowline can reduce strength by 50%.  Additionally a
bowline has a fixed diameter loop or eye.  It takes a good amount of
dressing the knot to make the eye small.  A bigger eye means that the knot
"two blocks" or jambs in the sheave sooner.  This could be a concern if you
are trying to maximize hoist for a long(ish) luff or if you're going
aloft.  I can barely reach my tri-color to replace bulbs or lens as it is.
A bowline doesn't present as compact profile either.  This could present a
problem with entanglement of other halyards at full hoist... Particularly
if that also includes a furler swivel.

A bowline works and does have the advantage of saving you from having to
cut the knot out.

Then again why use shackles and not just tie the halyards where they need
to go?  But what knot would you use - A bowline, at 50% reduced strength
obviously so that you could untie it.

Lots of options.  We didn't even delve into soft shackles.  I like the
Double overhand on itself knot for my purposes.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Feb 1, 2018 4:07 PM, "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Nice knot.  If you’re going to go that route, why not just tie a bowline?

*From:* Jim Giffing via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2018 3:29 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Jim Giffing 
*Subject:* Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

One thing to consider about sheave sizes which I did not think about when I
replaced my halyards... don't forget to allow for the eidth of your line
due to your eye splice for your halyard shackle. It obviously makes the
line much thicker and makes it harder to hoist the last 8"-12" or so of the
halyard without creating abrasion on the halyard.

It was suggested to me to instead use something called the Jeanneau Halyard
Knot... something I never heard of in all my years of sailing but it solved
the problem for me and now I can raise the the halyard 100% without concern
for halyard wearing out faster at the top... here is a link on how to tie
the knot for those interested and never heard of it like me... I am
probably one of the last people to hear about it... never too late to learn.

  --  http://jeanneau.tripod.com/hintsandtips/id137.htm

Regards
Jim
S/V Strong Tower
1977 C&C 29 MK 1
North East, Maryland

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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

I couldn't help but chuckle that Jeanneau owners are claiming to have
invented / named this knot.  It's just the halyard hitch with a different
finish. So perhaps it should be called halyard hitch, Jeanneau variant?

I use the standard halyard hitch which ends with the tail up:
https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/halyard-hitch

I think it looks neater, and there hasn't been any issue with the tail
jamming in the sheave. And my sails are cut such that they don't require
pulling the line that far into the sheave anyway. The Jeanneau variant
looks worth trying too though. The standard halyard hitch is possible to
get apart with some pliers and sometimes a marlinspike is helpful.

Halyard hitch, Jeanneau variant kind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqzJj6lYtj8

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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SscMyfIEWikkpcS2VN2j1vhhoeZH9tX1/view?usp=drivesdk

On Feb 1, 2018 5:28 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:

> I've heard that a bowline can reduce strength by 50%.  Additionally a
> bowline has a fixed diameter loop or eye.  It takes a good amount of
> dressing the knot to make the eye small.  A bigger eye means that the knot
> "two blocks" or jambs in the sheave sooner.  This could be a concern if you
> are trying to maximize hoist for a long(ish) luff or if you're going
> aloft.  I can barely reach my tri-color to replace bulbs or lens as it is.
> A bowline doesn't present as compact profile either.  This could present a
> problem with entanglement of other halyards at full hoist... Particularly
> if that also includes a furler swivel.
>
> A bowline works and does have the advantage of saving you from having to
> cut the knot out.
>
> Then again why use shackles and not just tie the halyards where they need
> to go?  But what knot would you use - A bowline, at 50% reduced strength
> obviously so that you could untie it.
>
> Lots of options.  We didn't even delve into soft shackles.  I like the
> Double overhand on itself knot for my purposes.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Feb 1, 2018 4:07 PM, "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Nice knot.  If you’re going to go that route, why not just tie a bowline?
>
> *From:* Jim Giffing via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2018 3:29 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Jim Giffing 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+
>
> One thing to consider about sheave sizes which I did not think about when
> I replaced my halyards... don't forget to allow for the eidth of your line
> due to your eye splice for your halyard shackle. It obviously makes the
> line much thicker and makes it harder to hoist the last 8"-12" or so of the
> halyard without creating abrasion on the halyard.
>
> It was suggested to me to instead use something called the Jeanneau
> Halyard Knot... something I never heard of in all my years of sailing but
> it solved the problem for me and now I can raise the the halyard 100%
> without concern for halyard wearing out faster at the top... here is a link
> on how to tie the knot for those interested and never heard of it like
> me... I am probably one of the last people to hear about it... never too
> late to learn.
>
>   --  http://jeanneau.tripod.com/hintsandtips/id137.htm
>
> Regards
> Jim
> S/V Strong Tower
> 1977 C&C 29 MK 1
> North East, Maryland
>
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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Nice!

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:52 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SscMyfIEWikkpcS2VN2j1vhhoeZH9tX1/view?usp=drivesdk
>
> On Feb 1, 2018 5:28 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:
>
>> I've heard that a bowline can reduce strength by 50%.  Additionally a
>> bowline has a fixed diameter loop or eye.  It takes a good amount of
>> dressing the knot to make the eye small.  A bigger eye means that the knot
>> "two blocks" or jambs in the sheave sooner.  This could be a concern if you
>> are trying to maximize hoist for a long(ish) luff or if you're going
>> aloft.  I can barely reach my tri-color to replace bulbs or lens as it is.
>> A bowline doesn't present as compact profile either.  This could present a
>> problem with entanglement of other halyards at full hoist... Particularly
>> if that also includes a furler swivel.
>>
>> A bowline works and does have the advantage of saving you from having to
>> cut the knot out.
>>
>> Then again why use shackles and not just tie the halyards where they need
>> to go?  But what knot would you use - A bowline, at 50% reduced strength
>> obviously so that you could untie it.
>>
>> Lots of options.  We didn't even delve into soft shackles.  I like the
>> Double overhand on itself knot for my purposes.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2018 4:07 PM, "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Nice knot.  If you’re going to go that route, why not just tie a bowline?
>>
>> *From:* Jim Giffing via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2018 3:29 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Jim Giffing 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+
>>
>> One thing to consider about sheave sizes which I did not think about when
>> I replaced my halyards... don't forget to allow for the eidth of your line
>> due to your eye splice for your halyard shackle. It obviously makes the
>> line much thicker and makes it harder to hoist the last 8"-12" or so of the
>> halyard without creating abrasion on the halyard.
>>
>> It was suggested to me to instead use something called the Jeanneau
>> Halyard Knot... something I never heard of in all my years of sailing but
>> it solved the problem for me and now I can raise the the halyard 100%
>> without concern for halyard wearing out faster at the top... here is a link
>> on how to tie the knot for those interested and never heard of it like
>> me... I am probably one of the last people to hear about it... never too
>> late to learn.
>>
>>   --  http://jeanneau.tripod.com/hintsandtips/id137.htm
>>
>> Regards
>> Jim
>> S/V Strong Tower
>> 1977 C&C 29 MK 1
>> North East, Maryland
>>
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[Dan via CnC-List]

Hey guys, so I just posted a step by step video on restoring the cabin sole
in the aft cabin on Balachandra/Breakaweigh using west system thickened
epoxy. Hopefully someone finds this helpful. Beats throwing away that good
teak when you think it's lost...

https://youtu.be/q2TD5zprj7o

Dan Cormier
Breakaweigh
C&C44
Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Any knot will reduce strength at roughly 40%.  A splice, done correctly, will 
not.  In fact, rope strength is tested with a splice on each end.  And it never 
breaks at the splice.
Chuck Gilchrest
Novabraid Ropes

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> On Feb 1, 2018, at 5:28 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I've heard that a bowline can reduce strength by 50%.  Additionally a bowline 
> has a fixed diameter loop or eye.  It takes a good amount of dressing the 
> knot to make the eye small.  A bigger eye means that the knot "two blocks" or 
> jambs in the sheave sooner.  This could be a concern if you are trying to 
> maximize hoist for a long(ish) luff or if you're going aloft.  I can barely 
> reach my tri-color to replace bulbs or lens as it is.  A bowline doesn't 
> present as compact profile either.  This could present a problem with 
> entanglement of other halyards at full hoist... Particularly if that also 
> includes a furler swivel.
> 
> A bowline works and does have the advantage of saving you from having to cut 
> the knot out.
> 
> Then again why use shackles and not just tie the halyards where they need to 
> go?  But what knot would you use - A bowline, at 50% reduced strength 
> obviously so that you could untie it. 
> 
> Lots of options.  We didn't even delve into soft shackles.  I like the Double 
> overhand on itself knot for my purposes.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Feb 1, 2018 4:07 PM, "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> Nice knot.  If you’re going to go that route, why not just tie a bowline?
>  
> From: Jim Giffing via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 3:29 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Jim Giffing
> Subject: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+
>  
> One thing to consider about sheave sizes which I did not think about when I 
> replaced my halyards... don't forget to allow for the eidth of your line due 
> to your eye splice for your halyard shackle. It obviously makes the line much 
> thicker and makes it harder to hoist the last 8"-12" or so of the halyard 
> without creating abrasion on the halyard.
> 
> It was suggested to me to instead use something called the Jeanneau Halyard 
> Knot... something I never heard of in all my years of sailing but it solved 
> the problem for me and now I can raise the the halyard 100% without concern 
> for halyard wearing out faster at the top... here is a link on how to tie the 
> knot for those interested and never heard of it like me... I am probably one 
> of the last people to hear about it... never too late to learn.
> 
>   --  http://jeanneau.tripod.com/hintsandtips/id137.htm 
> 
> Regards
> Jim
> S/V Strong Tower
> 1977 C&C 29 MK 1
> North East, Maryland
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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Fair enough Chuck and splices have their place and are quite favorable.
I'm a big fan but they also carry their own detriment.  Fattening and
stiffening the line and wasting 2 or 3 feet of line to freshen the nip to
name a few.

Josh


On Feb 1, 2018 7:58 PM, "Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Any knot will reduce strength at roughly 40%.  A splice, done correctly,
will not.  In fact, rope strength is tested with a splice on each end.  And
it never breaks at the splice.
Chuck Gilchrest
Novabraid Ropes

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 1, 2018, at 5:28 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
wrote:

I've heard that a bowline can reduce strength by 50%.  Additionally a
bowline has a fixed diameter loop or eye.  It takes a good amount of
dressing the knot to make the eye small.  A bigger eye means that the knot
"two blocks" or jambs in the sheave sooner.  This could be a concern if you
are trying to maximize hoist for a long(ish) luff or if you're going
aloft.  I can barely reach my tri-color to replace bulbs or lens as it is.
A bowline doesn't present as compact profile either.  This could present a
problem with entanglement of other halyards at full hoist... Particularly
if that also includes a furler swivel.

A bowline works and does have the advantage of saving you from having to
cut the knot out.

Then again why use shackles and not just tie the halyards where they need
to go?  But what knot would you use - A bowline, at 50% reduced strength
obviously so that you could untie it.

Lots of options.  We didn't even delve into soft shackles.  I like the
Double overhand on itself knot for my purposes.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Feb 1, 2018 4:07 PM, "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Nice knot.  If you’re going to go that route, why not just tie a bowline?

*From:* Jim Giffing via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2018 3:29 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Jim Giffing 
*Subject:* Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

One thing to consider about sheave sizes which I did not think about when I
replaced my halyards... don't forget to allow for the eidth of your line
due to your eye splice for your halyard shackle. It obviously makes the
line much thicker and makes it harder to hoist the last 8"-12" or so of the
halyard without creating abrasion on the halyard.

It was suggested to me to instead use something called the Jeanneau Halyard
Knot... something I never heard of in all my years of sailing but it solved
the problem for me and now I can raise the the halyard 100% without concern
for halyard wearing out faster at the top... here is a link on how to tie
the knot for those interested and never heard of it like me... I am
probably one of the last people to hear about it... never too late to learn.

  --  http://jeanneau.tripod.com/hintsandtips/id137.htm

Regards
Jim
S/V Strong Tower
1977 C&C 29 MK 1
North East, Maryland

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Re: Stus-List Not C & C but boat related...Trophys

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

I’m sitting in my restaurant at the bar and the guy (a friend)sitting across 
from me works in the foundry that makes the Oscars. I could ask him for some 
defects. 
J

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> On Feb 1, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> One local regatta used conch shell "horns" of varying sizes and levels of 
> adornment. 
> 
> Not sure where they got them, but they were along these lines: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
>> On 2/1/2018 9:31 AM, David via CnC-List wrote:
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I am responsible for the trophys for a a fairly large NE regatta and do not 
>> want to do the same old same old.  PHRF boats on down to Lasers.
>> 
>> Any observations or experiences out there of great trophy ideas?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I couldn’t help but chuckle because I’ve been tying the Halyard Hitch, Jeanneau 
Variant since I was about 12.. Except what I’ve always used it for is to tie 
the monofilament leader onto a fly when fly casting. The knot (bend actually) 
that I learned takes two passes through the eye of the hook and then is tied 
like the Jeanneau bend. And when I learned it from my Grandfather it was called 
a fisherman’s bend.

 

And, BTW, one of the reasons the bowline is the most basic knot taught in the 
US Power Squadron and CG Auxilliary basic seamanship classes is – according to 
the course material – that it retains around 90% of the strength of the line 
you are using and is the highest among the common knots and bends.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Patrick 
Davin via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 6:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Patrick Davin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

 

I couldn't help but chuckle that Jeanneau owners are claiming to have invented 
/ named this knot.  It's just the halyard hitch with a different finish. So 
perhaps it should be called halyard hitch, Jeanneau variant?

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I didn't spend much time comparing resources and references so take it for
what it's worth but the website below did some tests and found the bowline
reduced strength by ~60% where as the double fish knot broke at ~75%.  I'm
not sure exactly what a double fish knot is compared to any of the other
knots.  Interestingly I was always taught that climers and confined space
rescuer use a figue eight (reweave or on a bite) instead of a bowline
because of its retained strength.  It's a interesting read at least.

http://caves.org/section/vertical/nh/50/knotrope-hold.html

Josh

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018, 10:49 PM Rick Brass via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I couldn’t help but chuckle because I’ve been tying the Halyard Hitch,
> Jeanneau Variant since I was about 12.. Except what I’ve always used it for
> is to tie the monofilament leader onto a fly when fly casting. The knot
> (bend actually) that I learned takes two passes through the eye of the hook
> and then is tied like the Jeanneau bend. And when I learned it from my
> Grandfather it was called a fisherman’s bend.
>
>
>
> And, BTW, one of the reasons the bowline is the most basic knot taught in
> the US Power Squadron and CG Auxilliary basic seamanship classes is –
> according to the course material – that it retains around 90% of the
> strength of the line you are using and is the highest among the common
> knots and bends.
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick
> Davin via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 1, 2018 6:02 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Patrick Davin 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves C&C 37+
>
>
>
> I couldn't help but chuckle that Jeanneau owners are claiming to have
> invented / named this knot.  It's just the halyard hitch with a different
> finish. So perhaps it should be called halyard hitch, Jeanneau variant?
>
>
>
>
>
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