Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

Just remember you'll get Canadian spec paint, which doesn't have anything at 
all that actually stops fouling, nor any anti-slime additives.



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Cc: Tom Buscaglia
Subject: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

Alan

The CSR yard in Des Moines is even closer.  But, I can save 25-30% due to 
exchange rate and no sales tax.  Also, there’s a super Yanmar mechanic that I 
want to do some work.

Fun adventure too...

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660




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Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Westport is where we live and where we haul out. Pretty happy after +_ 30
years. Ben is close, he is four boats down the dock.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 5 April 2018 at 15:58, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
wrote:

> That's good to know for the next time I'm in Sidney
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Alan
>>
>> The CSR yard in Des Moines is even closer.  But, I can save 25-30% due to
>> exchange rate and no sales tax.  Also, there’s a super Yanmar mechanic that
>> I want to do some work.
>>
>> Fun adventure too...
>>
>> Tom Buscaglia
>> S/V Alera
>> 1990 C 37+/40
>> Vashon WA
>> P 206.463.9200
>> C 305.409.3660
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2018, at 2:45 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
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>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 14:44:07 -0700
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>> To: "C" 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

I’ve been using Costco deep cycle 12v batteries since 2002 and I’m really happy 
with them.  My oldest one still in rotation is a 2008 and it’s ready to go into 
season number 10!  

Brent Driedger
s/v Wild Rover
Lake Winnipeg. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Jean-Guy Nadeau via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just tuned in to this string. 
> Has anyone recommended the Costco batteries? I use 4 x 6-volt golf cart 
> batteries. They are under $140 Cdn and can be replaced at any Costco outlet 
> if you have issues.
> Another good policy someone told me about years ago is to buy all your 
> batteries from the same manufactured batch. Check the date stamp or sticker 
> on the battery to be sure.
> 
> Cheers, J-G 
> Callisto, C MkII, 
> Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I’ve used Delco Voyagers for years. Get 7-8 years service.  At about $100-110 
apiece they’re good value. 

Reviews are very good. Professional bass fishermen love them. 

Dennis C. 
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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> On Apr 5, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Jean-Guy Nadeau via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just tuned in to this string. 
> Has anyone recommended the Costco batteries? I use 4 x 6-volt golf cart 
> batteries. They are under $140 Cdn and can be replaced at any Costco outlet 
> if you have issues.
> Another good policy someone told me about years ago is to buy all your 
> batteries from the same manufactured batch. Check the date stamp or sticker 
> on the battery to be sure.
> 
> Cheers, J-G 
> Callisto, C MkII, 
> Victoria, BC
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Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Jean-Guy Nadeau via CnC-List]

Just tuned in to this string.
Has anyone recommended the Costco batteries? I use 4 x 6-volt golf cart 
batteries. They are under $140 Cdn and can be replaced at any Costco outlet if 
you have issues.
Another good policy someone told me about years ago is to buy all your 
batteries from the same manufactured batch. Check the date stamp or sticker on 
the battery to be sure.

Cheers, J-G
Callisto, C MkII,
Victoria, BC
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Stus-List List - Emails

[robert via CnC-List]

Rod:

Your ISP is 'eastlink.ca'.so is minethey should provide multiple 
e-mail addresses with your account I have one dedicated only for the 
C list goes to that folder only to my home computer.separate 
folder from my regular e-mail.does not go to my IPhone or 
elsewhere.check it out.


And can't say it any better than Josh did!

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2018-04-05 4:28 PM, Rod Stright via CnC-List wrote:


Do we always need to copy everyone on the list about everything.  Gets 
pretty ridiculous with the number of emails.  No wonder people unsubscribe


Rod




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Re: Stus-List Sydney Boat yard

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm in Tacoma.

Alan


On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Kyle Davis via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Alan,
>
> Vashon is pretty close to Tacoma and Hylebos Marina. They're the least
> expensive and most user friendly yard I know of.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Kyle Davis
> C 26 1977
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Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

That's good to know for the next time I'm in Sidney

Alan


On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Alan
>
> The CSR yard in Des Moines is even closer.  But, I can save 25-30% due to
> exchange rate and no sales tax.  Also, there’s a super Yanmar mechanic that
> I want to do some work.
>
> Fun adventure too...
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2018, at 2:45 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 14:44:07 -0700
> From: ALAN BERGEN 
> To: "C" 
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>

Stus-List Sydney Boat yard

[Kyle Davis via CnC-List]

Alan,

Vashon is pretty close to Tacoma and Hylebos Marina. They're the least
expensive and most user friendly yard I know of.

Respectfully,

Kyle Davis
C 26 1977
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[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Alan

The CSR yard in Des Moines is even closer.  But, I can save 25-30% due to 
exchange rate and no sales tax.  Also, there’s a super Yanmar mechanic that I 
want to do some work.

Fun adventure too...

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660




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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Paul — one spec you didn’t list was weight.  I think you’ll find the Trojans to 
be heavier than the Sam’s Club batteries; this means heavier plates and longer 
life, as well as better resistance to abuse from under-charging or 
over-discharging.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Dreuge via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Yes good point Fred,  pair for pair they are near amp-hr equivalent. 
> 
> I have been planning on going with lead acid GC2 golf cart batteries.   I am 
> leaning towards Trojans because of their great reputation, but it is hard to 
> ignore the Sam’s Club GC2 at $85 each, amounting to over a $100 savings per 
> pair.  
> 
> Does anyone have experience with the Sam’s Club 6V batteries?
> 
> Here are the specs and prices from Sam’s Club and the local Batteries Plus 
> which sells Trogan.
> 
> GC2 Duracell (215 A*hrs @20A)  $85  12m warranty   $0.40/Ahr
> EGC2 Duracell (230 A*hrs @20A)  $118 12m warranty  $0.50/Ahr
> 
> Trojan T-105 (225 A*hrs) $139 18m warranty $0.62/Ahr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

I was in the exact position as you two years ago and I have 4 of the Sams Club 
Duracell GC batteries.  No complaints here whatsoever.  They perform as they 
should.

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Chad Osmond via CnC-List]

I work with a few staff from the East Penn plant locally and they are
saying the Canadian Tire, Walmart, and Costco batteries are all the same
material from the same line in Pickering.

I am looking for 2 Deep 27's and expect to get one from CT on my funny
money, and the other where ever is cheapest.

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> Hello everyone,
>
>
>
> I need to replace my house battery and my engine battery (atomic 4).  I
> also have a dedicated battery for my Windless (don’t ask).
>
>
>
> Any suggestions.  I currently have 31 AGMs.
>
>
>
> Thanks everyone.
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Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

mild undercharging will resolve with equalization. Gels never get
> better once abused.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
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> Cc: Frederick G Street
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
>
>
>
> By contrast, my Trojan T105 golf cart batteries run around $150.00 each; a
> pair of them has twice the amp-hour capacity at 12 volts as a single Group
> 31.  I?m on my seventh year with them, and they?re still performing well.
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List <
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>
> A few years ago I replaced my batteries with Northstar? 31. They were
> rated very high, we?re the heaviest #31s (lots of lead) and they claim to
> use only ?virgin? lead, not recycled lead, which they claim lasts longer.
> Came with a 2 or 3 year full replacement warranty with the remaining 3 or 2
> years out to 5 years prorated. Expensive (~$300 each) but still going after
> almost 3 years.
>
> I mostly club race so I can?t speak to cruising use. They are only on a
> charger for a few hours before a race and have never purposely been drawn
> down significantly.
>
> YMMV
>
> Charlie Nelson
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Stus-List Sidney boat yard

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

ng well.
> 
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> A few years ago I replaced my batteries with Northstar? 31. They were rated 
> very high, we?re the heaviest #31s (lots of lead) and they claim to use only 
> ?virgin? lead, not recycled lead, which they claim lasts longer. Came with a 
> 2 or 3 year full replacement warranty with the remaining 3 or 2 years out to 
> 5 years prorated. Expensive (~$300 each) but still going after almost 3 years.
> 
> I mostly club race so I can?t speak to cruising use. They are only on a 
> charger for a few hours before a race and have never purposely been drawn 
> down significantly.
> 
> YMMV
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> 
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
> 
> Water Phantom
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
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> CT warranty is not worth the paper it's written on (personal opinion). And 
> the batteries vary widely.
> 
> Marek
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> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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> 
>  Original message 
> From: Glen Eddie via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 2018-04-05 13:16 (GMT-05:00)
> To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Glen Eddie <ged...@torkinmanes.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
> 
> Thanks.  I have a smart charger on board which analyzes the battery directly 
> and charges accordingly.  I was thinking of going with 2 Group 31 Lifeline 
> sealed wetted batteries.  Thoughts on make/other makes.  I checked out 
> Canadian Tire and my concern is that the warranties are below market (i.e. 12 
> months)?
> 
> Glen Eddie
> 
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> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dreuge via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: April-05-18 12:54 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Dreuge
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
> 
> Multi-phase charging: bulk charge(80%) absorption charge(20%), and float 
> charge.   The values of the charging voltage changes for different phases but 
> also varies with different type(i.e. Lead-Acis, AGM, Gel).   Most decent 
> battery charges operate via multi-phase and allow one to select the bank 
> battery type.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
> 
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsvjohannarose.blogspot.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C47ecd32e63ff4c22473408d59b18e648%7C84df9e7fe9

Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Yes good point Fred,  pair for pair they are near amp-hr equivalent. 

I have been planning on going with lead acid GC2 golf cart batteries.   I am 
leaning towards Trojans because of their great reputation, but it is hard to 
ignore the Sam’s Club GC2 at $85 each, amounting to over a $100 savings per 
pair.  

Does anyone have experience with the Sam’s Club 6V batteries?

Here are the specs and prices from Sam’s Club and the local Batteries Plus 
which sells Trogan.

GC2 Duracell (215 A*hrs @20A)  $85  12m warranty $0.40/Ahr
EGC2 Duracell (230 A*hrs @20A)  $118 12m warranty$0.50/Ahr

Trojan T-105 (225 A*hrs) $139   18m warranty $0.62/Ahr






-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 3:53 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> By contrast, my Trojan T105 golf cart batteries run around $150.00 each; a 
> pair of them has twice the amp-hour capacity at 12 volts as a single Group 
> 31.  I?m on my seventh year with them, and they?re still performing well.
> 
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
> 

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I would add - temperature compensation. Especially, if you plan to use the 
charger when it is hot.

Marek
Ottawa, on



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 Original message 
From: Dreuge via CnC-List 
Date: 2018-04-05 12:54 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dreuge 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

Multi-phase charging: bulk charge(80%) absorption charge(20%), and float 
charge.   The values of the charging voltage changes for different phases but 
also varies with different type(i.e. Lead-Acis, AGM, Gel).   Most decent 
battery charges operate via multi-phase and allow one to select the bank 
battery type.



-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

On Apr 5, 2018, at 11:16 AM, 
cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

rom: CnC-List 
> On Behalf 
Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 13:32
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Andersen 
>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

What is meant by "charge them properly"?

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

CT warranty is not worth the paper it's written on (personal opinion). And the 
batteries vary widely.

Marek

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 Original message 
From: Glen Eddie via CnC-List 
Date: 2018-04-05 13:16 (GMT-05:00)
To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" 
Cc: Glen Eddie 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

Thanks.  I have a smart charger on board which analyzes the battery directly 
and charges accordingly.  I was thinking of going with 2 Group 31 Lifeline 
sealed wetted batteries.  Thoughts on make/other makes.  I checked out Canadian 
Tire and my concern is that the warranties are below market (i.e. 12 months)?

Glen Eddie

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Sent: April-05-18 12:54 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

Multi-phase charging: bulk charge(80%) absorption charge(20%), and float 
charge.   The values of the charging voltage changes for different phases but 
also varies with different type(i.e. Lead-Acis, AGM, Gel).   Most decent 
battery charges operate via multi-phase and allow one to select the bank 
battery type.



-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/


On Apr 5, 2018, at 11:16 AM, 
cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

rom: CnC-List 
> On Behalf 
Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 13:32
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Andersen 
>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

What is meant by "charge them properly"?

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Thanks Johns Much appreciated



From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via 
CnC-List
Sent: April-05-18 4:38 PM
To: C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries



Rod, that's how the email lists works.



I use Google Gmail message rules to automatically move all 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com   to a different folder.  I 
also look at emails in conversation view.  I can turn off notifications for the 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com   folder and when I look at 
the folder I can choose to read based on the subject since the whole 
conversation is shown as in line item.



If you don't like it make something else and see if you can drum up as much 
support or more than the list.



The advantage of email is that it is ubiquitous.  No special apps or hardware 
platforms.  And it is pretty lean on bandwidth for anybody with slow 
connections.  I like that the messages get pushed to my phone regardless of 
whether or not I request them.  Even in a no internet service area I can review 
emails that were pushed hours ago.



Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD







On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 3:29 PM Rod Stright via CnC-List  > wrote:

Do we always need to copy everyone on the list about everything.  Gets pretty 
ridiculous with the number of emails.  No wonder people unsubscribe



Rod



From: CnC-List  > On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via 
CnC-List
Sent: April-05-18 3:01 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com  ' 
 >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe  >
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries



Sams Club had their private label golf carts for $89 each. Like their AGMs, I 
think they are Dekas.

I will one day switch to golf carts when I figure out how to mount them. They 
will not fit where I have my batteries now. One nice thing about them is abuse 
is not instant death. Mild overcharging can be fixed with water and mild 
undercharging will resolve with equalization. Gels never get better once abused.



Joe

Coquina



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 1:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries



By contrast, my Trojan T105 golf cart batteries run around $150.00 each; a pair 
of them has twice the amp-hour capacity at 12 volts as a single Group 31.  I’m 
on my seventh year with them, and they’re still performing well.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(



On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List  > wrote:



A few years ago I replaced my batteries with Northstar? 31. They were rated 
very high, we’re the heaviest #31s (lots of lead) and they claim to use only 
‘virgin’ lead, not recycled lead, which they claim lasts longer. Came with a 2 
or 3 year full replacement warranty with the remaining 3 or 2 years out to 5 
years prorated. Expensive (~$300 each) but still going after almost 3 years.

I mostly club race so I can’t speak to cruising use. They are only on a charger 
for a few hours before a race and have never purposely been drawn down 
significantly.

YMMV

Charlie Nelson

1995 C 36 XL/kcb

Water Phantom






 


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Re: Stus-List Partnership creation

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

If you still want to go ahead, consider all the _worst_ scenarios, when you are 
still on good terms. Things like who pays for a damage (not as trivial question 
as you might think) - if you decide that the person who did the damage, you 
might encourage hiding it. Similarly, how much you should expect annually for 
maintenance and improvements. What if one person wants to hire the yard to 
replace the bulb and the other is willing to swap the engine himself  over the 
weekend.

Some of these questions may sound ridiculous, but the time to deal with them is 
before you sign.

Marek



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 Original message 
From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
Date: 2018-04-05 13:48 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Partnership creation

Yes — speaking from personal experience, DON’T DO IT!!!  If you try to do it 
with a friend, there’s a good chance it’ll wreck the friendship.  If you do it 
with people you don’t consider friends or don’t know much about, anything could 
happen to the boat.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
> wrote:

For a variety of reasons I’m considering starting a partnership with my Boat. 
In light of other conversations about buyout, etc. does anyone have 
suggestions, or sample contracts, I can use to make the relationship manageable 
?

Thx
Pete

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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Rod, that's how the email lists works.

I use Google Gmail message rules to automatically move all
cnc-list@cnc-list.com to a different folder.  I also look at emails in
conversation view.  I can turn off notifications for the
cnc-list@cnc-list.com folder and when I look at the folder I can choose to
read based on the subject since the whole conversation is shown as in line
item.

If you don't like it make something else and see if you can drum up as much
support or more than the list.

The advantage of email is that it is ubiquitous.  No special apps or
hardware platforms.  And it is pretty lean on bandwidth for anybody with
slow connections.  I like that the messages get pushed to my phone
regardless of whether or not I request them.  Even in a no internet service
area I can review emails that were pushed hours ago.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 3:29 PM Rod Stright via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Do we always need to copy everyone on the list about everything.  Gets
> pretty ridiculous with the number of emails.  No wonder people unsubscribe
>
>
>
> Rod
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Della
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> *Sent:* April-05-18 3:01 PM
> *To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries
>
>
>
> Sams Club had their private label golf carts for $89 each. Like their
> AGMs, I think they are Dekas.
>
> I will one day switch to golf carts when I figure out how to mount them.
> They will not fit where I have my batteries now. One nice thing about them
> is abuse is not instant death. Mild overcharging can be fixed with water
> and mild undercharging will resolve with equalization. Gels never get
> better once abused.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Frederick G Street via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 05, 2018 1:50 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Frederick G Street
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
>
>
>
> By contrast, my Trojan T105 golf cart batteries run around $150.00 each; a
> pair of them has twice the amp-hour capacity at 12 volts as a single Group
> 31.  I’m on my seventh year with them, and they’re still performing well.
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> A few years ago I replaced my batteries with Northstar? 31. They were
> rated very high, we’re the heaviest #31s (lots of lead) and they claim to
> use only ‘virgin’ lead, not recycled lead, which they claim lasts longer.
> Came with a 2 or 3 year full replacement warranty with the remaining 3 or 2
> years out to 5 years prorated. Expensive (~$300 each) but still going after
> almost 3 years.
>
> I mostly club race so I can’t speak to cruising use. They are only on a
> charger for a few hours before a race and have never purposely been drawn
> down significantly.
>
> YMMV
>
> Charlie Nelson
>
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
>
> Water Phantom
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Do we always need to copy everyone on the list about everything.  Gets pretty 
ridiculous with the number of emails.  No wonder people unsubscribe



Rod



From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe 
via CnC-List
Sent: April-05-18 3:01 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries



Sams Club had their private label golf carts for $89 each. Like their AGMs, I 
think they are Dekas.

I will one day switch to golf carts when I figure out how to mount them. They 
will not fit where I have my batteries now. One nice thing about them is abuse 
is not instant death. Mild overcharging can be fixed with water and mild 
undercharging will resolve with equalization. Gels never get better once abused.



Joe

Coquina



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 1:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries



By contrast, my Trojan T105 golf cart batteries run around $150.00 each; a pair 
of them has twice the amp-hour capacity at 12 volts as a single Group 31.  I’m 
on my seventh year with them, and they’re still performing well.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(



On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List  > wrote:



A few years ago I replaced my batteries with Northstar? 31. They were rated 
very high, we’re the heaviest #31s (lots of lead) and they claim to use only 
‘virgin’ lead, not recycled lead, which they claim lasts longer. Came with a 2 
or 3 year full replacement warranty with the remaining 3 or 2 years out to 5 
years prorated. Expensive (~$300 each) but still going after almost 3 years.

I mostly club race so I can’t speak to cruising use. They are only on a charger 
for a few hours before a race and have never purposely been drawn down 
significantly.

YMMV

Charlie Nelson

1995 C 36 XL/kcb

Water Phantom





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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Partnership buyout - without an agreement

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

One thing you can do is put in right of first refusal so the existing partners 
can buy the share instead of the bad person.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 2:56 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Means
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement

Thanks so much for all this feedback! Neil, I'll be getting in touch offline.

If/when we find a new member we will definitely be doing a new agreement - does 
anyone have suggestions for boilerplate partnership agreements (or want to 
share their agreement text)? I think buyout is probably the area where the most 
contention could arise (say, expectations for speed of buyout, selling to 
somebody the partners don't like, etc.). What language do your folks' contracts 
have to protect the participants in those situations?
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Re: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement

[Andrew Means via CnC-List]

Thanks so much for all this feedback! Neil, I'll be getting in touch
offline.

If/when we find a new member we will definitely be doing a new agreement -
does anyone have suggestions for boilerplate partnership agreements (or
want to share their agreement text)? I think buyout is probably the area
where the most contention could arise (say, expectations for speed of
buyout, selling to somebody the partners don't like, etc.). What language
do your folks' contracts have to protect the participants in those
situations?
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Spring Projects

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Be warned – people do not look up. I never use my tricolor anymore when not 
offshore. I almost got run over a few times by powerboats looking at water 
level only for lights if they were looking anywhere.

Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ricci 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 2:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ron Ricci
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Spring Projects

Chuck,

Last time my mast was out, I replaced the anchor light with a tri-color nav 
light & anchor light combo.  I can use this for sail power only and the visible 
range is much better.  The white portion of the tri-color alos illuminates the 
Windex.

Ron

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:34 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck S
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spring Projects

Hadn't hauled the last two years so I have a rather long list. It's like a 
refit:

Rewire the mast, changed all lights to LED (mast is out)
Replace sheeves and axles
Replace upper section of furler
Removed all halyards and washed, scrubbed and soaked in Downy to soften them.
Replace two halyards, repurpose old ones
Paint mast
Replace spreader tip protectors
Repair two floor boards at home
Replace two solar fans
Heavy wet sand old bottom paint to change type, paint new
Pull chainplates and Repair wet core
Replace windows (just finished making templates)
Paint deck and paint nonskid areas with Kiwi Grip
PoliGlow the topsides
Relaunch, step the mast, tune the rig, etc

On April 3, 2018 at 1:16 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> wrote:

Listers,

Now that April is finally here, I was curious as to what you have planned for 
your Spring projects.

On the Enterprise:

1. Remove and service hydraulic autopilot pump
2. Re-vinyl Starfleet markings
3. Service Refrigeration
4. Install new hot water heater
5. Paint bottom

… and if you’re down south somewhere and have been in the water and sailing 
already, I hate you.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Spring Projects

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Chuck,

 

Last time my mast was out, I replaced the anchor light with a tri-color nav 
light & anchor light combo.  I can use this for sail power only and the visible 
range is much better.  The white portion of the tri-color alos illuminates the 
Windex.  

 

Ron

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:34 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck S
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spring Projects

 

Hadn't hauled the last two years so I have a rather long list. It's like a 
refit:

Rewire the mast, changed all lights to LED (mast is out)
Replace sheeves and axles
Replace upper section of furler
Removed all halyards and washed, scrubbed and soaked in Downy to soften them.
Replace two halyards, repurpose old ones
Paint mast
Replace spreader tip protectors
Repair two floor boards at home
Replace two solar fans
Heavy wet sand old bottom paint to change type, paint new
Pull chainplates and Repair wet core
Replace windows (just finished making templates)
Paint deck and paint nonskid areas with Kiwi Grip
PoliGlow the topsides
Relaunch, step the mast, tune the rig, etc




On April 3, 2018 at 1:16 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:

Listers,

 

Now that April is finally here, I was curious as to what you have planned for 
your Spring projects.

 

On the Enterprise:

 

1. Remove and service hydraulic autopilot pump 

2. Re-vinyl Starfleet markings

3. Service Refrigeration

4. Install new hot water heater

5. Paint bottom

 

… and if you’re down south somewhere and have been in the water and sailing 
already, I hate you.   


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

  Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log

 





 






 


 

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

In Canada you could check Total Battery. I see a Trojan deep cycle Group 31 
listed
for $282.80

http://webstore.totalbattery.com/product-p/31xhs.htm


The claimed 130 amp hours is good as is the reserve capacity at 225 minutes.
Many Group 31s are around 100 and 190.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1
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Re: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

If you're a boat us member, they'll did market analysis for you for free. 
I've used them in the past summer boat shopping and their numbers agreed with 
some broker's analysis at the same time.  
Then you could get a quote for the rigging and adjust. 
David is right though, if you were selling with the boat priced at the high end 
of market value you might have the boat sitting a while.  You can't go by 
listing values.
Boat us will give you sales comps.  A broker has access to sold numbers too.
Danny


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: henry evans via CnC-List 
 Date: 4/5/18  12:02 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: David via 
CnC-List  Cc: henry evans  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement 

Hopefully, on line you can find some comparable sales to establish 
the value.  






On Thursday, April 5, 2018, 10:33:09 AM CDT, David via 
CnC-List  wrote:





#yiv3792030982 #yiv3792030982 -- P 
{margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv3792030982 

Therein lies the rub...what is fair market value?   In today's market you 
really don't know until you get the reality check of "Well I think its worth 
$X"  at 12 months later not sold or it is sold for a percentage of
 $X...







David F. Risch
Gulf
Stream
Associates,
LLC



(401) 419-4650 










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CnC-List 

Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:23 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Joe Della Barba

Subject: Re: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement
 



Without a defined buyout, this is kind of a pain. My first guess would be the 
person leaving owes you 25% of fair market value.
 
 
 
Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
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On Behalf Of Andrew Means via CnC-List

Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 11:16 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Andrew Means 

Subject: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement
 

Hey all -


 


I’ve been part of a boat partnership for the past 9 years with three of my 
friends. This partnership has lasted over a series of boats and we’ve had very 
few issues with the whole arrangement.


 


Presently however one of the partners is wishing to be bought out or to sell 
their share, just before a re-rigging project.


 


Since we don’t have an agreement in place we have to navigate these waters 
ourselves, but I wanted to see if you guys had experience or knew what the most 
common buyout arrangements (i.e. what agreement *might* we have signed had we 
signed
 one 9 years ago?). If we find a buyer we all like in short order then this may 
all go perfectly smoothly, but if we don’t I’d like to have advice for the best 
way(s) to proceed.


 


Andrew





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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Sams Club had their private label golf carts for $89 each. Like their AGMs, I 
think they are Dekas.
I will one day switch to golf carts when I figure out how to mount them. They 
will not fit where I have my batteries now. One nice thing about them is abuse 
is not instant death. Mild overcharging can be fixed with water and mild 
undercharging will resolve with equalization. Gels never get better once abused.

Joe
Coquina

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Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 1:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

By contrast, my Trojan T105 golf cart batteries run around $150.00 each; a pair 
of them has twice the amp-hour capacity at 12 volts as a single Group 31.  I’m 
on my seventh year with them, and they’re still performing well.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
> wrote:

A few years ago I replaced my batteries with Northstar? 31. They were rated 
very high, we’re the heaviest #31s (lots of lead) and they claim to use only 
‘virgin’ lead, not recycled lead, which they claim lasts longer. Came with a 2 
or 3 year full replacement warranty with the remaining 3 or 2 years out to 5 
years prorated. Expensive (~$300 each) but still going after almost 3 years.
I mostly club race so I can’t speak to cruising use. They are only on a charger 
for a few hours before a race and have never purposely been drawn down 
significantly.
YMMV
Charlie Nelson
1995 C 36 XL/kcb
Water Phantom

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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Partnership creation

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

This is pretty common with aircraft and I might be able to find a sample 
contract from AOPA. Once common issue is *I* think a SSB and a nice vertical 
profile weather radar are really needed and the other 3 guys fly the plane on 
20 mile trips for burgers and think I am nuts and don’t want to pay for it. 
Another thing is what to do when someone can’t pay for whatever reason and who 
is liable for damages. If the engine blows next week, what if X doesn’t have 
his share for a new engine? Do you have a way to make him pay or take over his 
share or something? If I rip the new spinnaker, is that on me or on everyone? 
It really helps to have some feeling for what everyone is expecting.
One example: At work a buddy was complaining something broke on his new 
runabout and the yard wanted $100 to fix it. He was horrified at this expense. 
I told him I would be on my knees thanking God for ANY kind of boat yard bill 
without 4 figures in it!

Joe
Coquina
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Re: Stus-List Partnership creation

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Rick,
I have a C 37 in Oriental and you are welcome to come along  anytime! 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Rick Brass via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 1:52:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass
Subject: Re: Stus-List Partnership creation

A few years ago there was a brief discussion about some of us on the list 
purchasing a 37 or 39 that was for sale in the Sea of Cortez, and having a 
partnership that would allow us all a winter vacation to visit Wally. At the 
time I downloaded a model partnership agreement from the Internet.

I don’t have the form any longer due to a hard drive crash. But you might try a 
google search for the form.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



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Shelquist via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 1:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Pete Shelquist 
Subject: Stus-List Partnership creation

For a variety of reasons I’m considering starting a partnership with my Boat. 
In light of other conversations about buyout, etc. does anyone have 
suggestions, or sample contracts, I can use to make the relationship manageable 
?

Thx
Pete
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Re: Stus-List Partnership creation

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

A few years ago there was a brief discussion about some of us on the list 
purchasing a 37 or 39 that was for sale in the Sea of Cortez, and having a 
partnership that would allow us all a winter vacation to visit Wally. At the 
time I downloaded a model partnership agreement from the Internet.

 

I don’t have the form any longer due to a hard drive crash. But you might try a 
google search for the form.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pete 
Shelquist via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 1:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Pete Shelquist 
Subject: Stus-List Partnership creation

 

For a variety of reasons I’m considering starting a partnership with my Boat. 
In light of other conversations about buyout, etc. does anyone have 
suggestions, or sample contracts, I can use to make the relationship manageable 
?

 

Thx

Pete

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

By contrast, my Trojan T105 golf cart batteries run around $150.00 each; a pair 
of them has twice the amp-hour capacity at 12 volts as a single Group 31.  I’m 
on my seventh year with them, and they’re still performing well.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> A few years ago I replaced my batteries with Northstar? 31. They were rated 
> very high, we’re the heaviest #31s (lots of lead) and they claim to use only 
> ‘virgin’ lead, not recycled lead, which they claim lasts longer. Came with a 
> 2 or 3 year full replacement warranty with the remaining 3 or 2 years out to 
> 5 years prorated. Expensive (~$300 each) but still going after almost 3 years.
> I mostly club race so I can’t speak to cruising use. They are only on a 
> charger for a few hours before a race and have never purposely been drawn 
> down significantly.
> YMMV
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
> Water Phantom

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Re: Stus-List Partnership creation

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Yes — speaking from personal experience, DON’T DO IT!!!  If you try to do it 
with a friend, there’s a good chance it’ll wreck the friendship.  If you do it 
with people you don’t consider friends or don’t know much about, anything could 
happen to the boat.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> For a variety of reasons I’m considering starting a partnership with my Boat. 
> In light of other conversations about buyout, etc. does anyone have 
> suggestions, or sample contracts, I can use to make the relationship 
> manageable ?
> 
> Thx
> Pete

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Charles Nelson via CnC-List]

A few years ago I replaced my batteries with Northstar? 31. They were rated 
very high, we’re the heaviest #31s (lots of lead) and they claim to use only 
‘virgin’ lead, not recycled lead, which they claim lasts longer. Came with a 2 
or 3 year full replacement warranty with the remaining 3 or 2 years out to 5 
years prorated. Expensive (~$300 each) but still going after almost 3 years.
I mostly club race so I can’t speak to cruising use. They are only on a charger 
for a few hours before a race and have never purposely been drawn down 
significantly.
YMMV
Charlie Nelson
1995 C 36 XL/kcb
Water Phantom

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  I have a smart charger on board which analyzes the battery directly 
> and charges accordingly.  I was thinking of going with 2 Group 31 Lifeline 
> sealed wetted batteries.  Thoughts on make/other makes.  I checked out 
> Canadian Tire and my concern is that the warranties are below market (i.e. 12 
> months)?
>  
> Glen Eddie
> Tel:  416-777-5357
> Fax:  1-888-812-2557
> Torkin Manes LLP
> Barristers & Solicitors
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> message in error, please notify the sender and delete this email message. 
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> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dreuge via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: April-05-18 12:54 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Dreuge
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
>  
> Multi-phase charging: bulk charge(80%) absorption charge(20%), and float 
> charge.   The values of the charging voltage changes for different phases but 
> also varies with different type(i.e. Lead-Acis, AGM, Gel).   Most decent 
> battery charges operate via multi-phase and allow one to select the bank 
> battery type.
>  
>  
>  
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>  
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> On Apr 5, 2018, at 11:16 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>  
> rom: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 13:32
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Neil Andersen 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
> 
> What is meant by "charge them properly"?
> 
> Neil Andersen
> 20691 Jamieson Rd
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
>  
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Glen Eddie via CnC-List]

Thanks.  I have a smart charger on board which analyzes the battery directly 
and charges accordingly.  I was thinking of going with 2 Group 31 Lifeline 
sealed wetted batteries.  Thoughts on make/other makes.  I checked out Canadian 
Tire and my concern is that the warranties are below market (i.e. 12 months)?

Glen Eddie

Tel:  416-777-5357

Fax:  1-888-812-2557


Torkin Manes LLP
Barristers & Solicitors

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

Multi-phase charging: bulk charge(80%) absorption charge(20%), and float 
charge.   The values of the charging voltage changes for different phases but 
also varies with different type(i.e. Lead-Acis, AGM, Gel).   Most decent 
battery charges operate via multi-phase and allow one to select the bank 
battery type.



-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/


On Apr 5, 2018, at 11:16 AM, 
cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

rom: CnC-List 
> On Behalf 
Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 13:32
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Andersen 
>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

What is meant by "charge them properly"?

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

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Stus-List Partnership creation

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

For a variety of reasons I’m considering starting a partnership with my 
Boat. In light of other conversations about buyout, etc. does anyone have 
suggestions, or sample contracts, I can use to make the relationship manageable 
?
ThxPete

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Stus-List Mast Sensor

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I have ST60+ instruments.  The wind direction indicator reads erratically.
Sometimes it reads correctly, and sometimes it's off by a lot.  Is the
sensor serviceable?

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland. OR
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Multi-phase charging: bulk charge(80%) absorption charge(20%), and float 
charge.   The values of the charging voltage changes for different phases but 
also varies with different type(i.e. Lead-Acis, AGM, Gel).   Most decent 
battery charges operate via multi-phase and allow one to select the bank 
battery type.



-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 11:16 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> rom: CnC-List  > On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 13:32
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com ; 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Neil Andersen  >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
> 
> What is meant by "charge them properly"?
> 
> Neil Andersen
> 20691 Jamieson Rd
> Rock Hall, MD 21661

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Re: Stus-List Mast sensor upgrade experience requested

[James Bibb via CnC-List]

Thanks Francois!  Great insight and really helpful.  

I’ve never unstepped a keel mast before but I may do that and as you suggested, 
be able to go through the mast and really take my time.  

Great help.  Things up here in Alaska are finally thawing out a bit.  

James Bibb

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Francois Rivard  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi James, 
> 
> I have a 34/36 and I did replace the sensor twice.. Once with the mast off 
> and once "in-situ"/ 
> 
> My mast did have a conduit and I used the old wire as a messenger line as 
> mentioned before.  Really straightforward / no issues.  
> 
> The harder part is that I had to fabricate a custom aluminum bracket to 
> accommodate the new sensor and mount it solidly.  I was glad I had the mast 
> off as it took a lot of measuring / fitting / trimming to make sure that the 
> bracket was as long / wide as possible to spread the load / fit in the 
> mounting holes  / not interfere with the halyards and sheaves / VHF antenna 
> mount / tricolor.  
> 
> Also, while the mast was off I did a fair amount of cleanup  / refreshed the 
> spreader boots / replaced deck light bulbs / etc. 
> 
> Long story short it was 80 bucks more than well spent to take the mast down / 
> get it all done right  / clean, lube, easily service everything I could while 
> it was down. 
> 
> The 2nd time I replaced it (It appeared to have been nailed by lightning 
> surge).  That was "in-situ" but then all the hard stuff was already done it 
> was plug and play. 
> 
> My 2 cents. 
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 34-36R with a pretty skinny tall mast?anybody have any experience upgrading 
> the wind sensor and VHF while the mast is in-place?  I need to know if 
> there?s a conduit running and what to expect as I may be the person scaling 
> the mast and I want to make the least number of trips to the top?
> 
> And?if somebody?s done this, what where the learning moments?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> James. Bibb
> 
> SV Darwin?s Folly
> C 34-36R
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement

[Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List]

Andrew,

 

I am working as a Yacht Broker now and might be able to help.  If you reach out 
to me off-line (n...@sjyachts.com  ) with some basic 
information on the boat, I can check on what similar boats have been selling 
for.  What you and your partners do with that information is up to you.

Neil 

Neil Andersen 
20691 Jamieson Rd, 

Rock Hall, MD 21661

315-707-7905 (home)

484-354-8800 (cell)

  neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com

LinkedIn:   
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From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Andrew Means via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Means 
Subject: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement

 

Hey all -

 

I’ve been part of a boat partnership for the past 9 years with three of my 
friends. This partnership has lasted over a series of boats and we’ve had very 
few issues with the whole arrangement.

 

Presently however one of the partners is wishing to be bought out or to sell 
their share, just before a re-rigging project.

 

Since we don’t have an agreement in place we have to navigate these waters 
ourselves, but I wanted to see if you guys had experience or knew what the most 
common buyout arrangements (i.e. what agreement *might* we have signed had we 
signed one 9 years ago?). If we find a buyer we all like in short order then 
this may all go perfectly smoothly, but if we don’t I’d like to have advice for 
the best way(s) to proceed.

 

Andrew

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Stus-List Mast sensor upgrade experience requested

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi James,

I have a 34/36 and I did replace the sensor twice.. Once with the mast off
and once "in-situ"/

My mast did have a conduit and I used the old wire as a messenger line as
mentioned before.  Really straightforward / no issues.

The harder part is that I had to fabricate a custom aluminum bracket to
accommodate the new sensor and mount it solidly.  I was glad I had the mast
off as it took a lot of measuring / fitting / trimming to make sure that
the bracket was as long / wide as possible to spread the load / fit in the
mounting holes  / not interfere with the halyards and sheaves / VHF antenna
mount / tricolor.

Also, while the mast was off I did a fair amount of cleanup  / refreshed
the spreader boots / replaced deck light bulbs / etc.

Long story short it was 80 bucks more than well spent to take the mast down
/ get it all done right  / clean, lube, easily service everything I could
while it was down.

The 2nd time I replaced it (It appeared to have been nailed by lightning
surge).  That was "in-situ" but then all the hard stuff was already done it
was plug and play.

My 2 cents.

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA




34-36R with a pretty skinny tall mast?anybody have any experience upgrading
the wind sensor and VHF while the mast is in-place?  I need to know if
there?s a conduit running and what to expect as I may be the person scaling
the mast and I want to make the least number of trips to the top?

And?if somebody?s done this, what where the learning moments?

Thanks.

James. Bibb

SV Darwin?s Folly
C 34-36R
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Re: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement

[henry evans via CnC-List]

 Hopefully, on line you can find some comparable sales to establish the value.  
On Thursday, April 5, 2018, 10:33:09 AM CDT, David via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 #yiv3792030982 #yiv3792030982 -- P 
{margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv3792030982 
Therein lies the rub...what is fair market value?   In today's market you 
really don't know until you get the reality check of "Well I think its worth 
$X"  at 12 months later not sold or it is sold for a percentage of $X...





David F. Risch

GulfStreamAssociates,LLC


(401) 419-4650 



From: CnC-List  on behalf of Joe Della Barba via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:23 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba
Subject: Re: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement 
Without a defined buyout, this is kind of a pain. My first guess would be the 
person leaving owes you 25% of fair market value.

 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Means 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 11:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Means 
Subject: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement

 

Hey all -

 

I’ve been part of a boat partnership for the past 9 years with three of my 
friends. This partnership has lasted over a series of boats and we’ve had very 
few issues with the whole arrangement.

 

Presently however one of the partners is wishing to be bought out or to sell 
their share, just before a re-rigging project.

 

Since we don’t have an agreement in place we have to navigate these waters 
ourselves, but I wanted to see if you guys had experience or knew what the most 
common buyout arrangements (i.e. what agreement *might* we have signed had we 
signed one 9 years ago?). If we find a buyer we all like in short order then 
this may all go perfectly smoothly, but if we don’t I’d like to have advice for 
the best way(s) to proceed.

 

Andrew
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Re: Stus-List Spring Projects

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Hadn't hauled the last two years so I have a rather long list. It's like a 
refit:

Rewire the mast, changed all lights to LED (mast is out)
Replace sheeves and axles
Replace upper section of furler
Removed all halyards and washed, scrubbed and soaked in Downy to soften them.
Replace two halyards, repurpose old ones
Paint mast
Replace spreader tip protectors
Repair two floor boards at home
Replace two solar fans
Heavy wet sand old bottom paint to change type, paint new
Pull chainplates and Repair wet core
Replace windows (just finished making templates)
Paint deck and paint nonskid areas with Kiwi Grip
PoliGlow the topsides
Relaunch, step the mast, tune the rig, etc


> On April 3, 2018 at 1:16 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> Now that April is finally here, I was curious as to what you have planned 
> for your Spring projects.
> 
> On the Enterprise:
> 
> 1. Remove and service hydraulic autopilot pump 
> 2. Re-vinyl Starfleet markings
> 3. Service Refrigeration
> 4. Install new hot water heater
> 5. Paint bottom
> 
> … and if you’re down south somewhere and have been in the water and 
> sailing already, I hate you.   
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement

[David via CnC-List]

Therein lies the rub...what is fair market value?   In today's market you 
really don't know until you get the reality check of "Well I think its worth 
$X"  at 12 months later not sold or it is sold for a percentage of $X...


David F. Risch

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650



From: CnC-List  on behalf of Joe Della Barba via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:23 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba
Subject: Re: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement


Without a defined buyout, this is kind of a pain. My first guess would be the 
person leaving owes you 25% of fair market value.







Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 11:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Means 
Subject: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement



Hey all -



I’ve been part of a boat partnership for the past 9 years with three of my 
friends. This partnership has lasted over a series of boats and we’ve had very 
few issues with the whole arrangement.



Presently however one of the partners is wishing to be bought out or to sell 
their share, just before a re-rigging project.



Since we don’t have an agreement in place we have to navigate these waters 
ourselves, but I wanted to see if you guys had experience or knew what the most 
common buyout arrangements (i.e. what agreement *might* we have signed had we 
signed one 9 years ago?). If we find a buyer we all like in short order then 
this may all go perfectly smoothly, but if we don’t I’d like to have advice for 
the best way(s) to proceed.



Andrew
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Re: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

This is what we did when we had a partner on our last boat.  He wanted out for 
life reasons so we agreed on half the fair market value as my buyout.

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 12:24 PM
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Cc: Joe Della Barba
Subject: Re: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement

Without a defined buyout, this is kind of a pain. My first guess would be the 
person leaving owes you 25% of fair market value.



Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
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Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 11:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Means >
Subject: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement

Hey all -

I’ve been part of a boat partnership for the past 9 years with three of my 
friends. This partnership has lasted over a series of boats and we’ve had very 
few issues with the whole arrangement.

Presently however one of the partners is wishing to be bought out or to sell 
their share, just before a re-rigging project.

Since we don’t have an agreement in place we have to navigate these waters 
ourselves, but I wanted to see if you guys had experience or knew what the most 
common buyout arrangements (i.e. what agreement *might* we have signed had we 
signed one 9 years ago?). If we find a buyer we all like in short order then 
this may all go perfectly smoothly, but if we don’t I’d like to have advice for 
the best way(s) to proceed.

Andrew
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Re: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Without a defined buyout, this is kind of a pain. My first guess would be the 
person leaving owes you 25% of fair market value.

 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 11:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Means 
Subject: Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement

 

Hey all -

 

I’ve been part of a boat partnership for the past 9 years with three of my 
friends. This partnership has lasted over a series of boats and we’ve had very 
few issues with the whole arrangement.

 

Presently however one of the partners is wishing to be bought out or to sell 
their share, just before a re-rigging project.

 

Since we don’t have an agreement in place we have to navigate these waters 
ourselves, but I wanted to see if you guys had experience or knew what the most 
common buyout arrangements (i.e. what agreement *might* we have signed had we 
signed one 9 years ago?). If we find a buyer we all like in short order then 
this may all go perfectly smoothly, but if we don’t I’d like to have advice for 
the best way(s) to proceed.

 

Andrew

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Stus-List Partnership buyout - without an agreement

[Andrew Means via CnC-List]

Hey all -

I’ve been part of a boat partnership for the past 9 years with three of my
friends. This partnership has lasted over a series of boats and we’ve had
very few issues with the whole arrangement.

Presently however one of the partners is wishing to be bought out or to
sell their share, just before a re-rigging project.

Since we don’t have an agreement in place we have to navigate these waters
ourselves, but I wanted to see if you guys had experience or knew what the
most common buyout arrangements (i.e. what agreement *might* we have signed
had we signed one 9 years ago?). If we find a buyer we all like in short
order then this may all go perfectly smoothly, but if we don’t I’d like to
have advice for the best way(s) to proceed.

Andrew
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