Stus-List Re: Using a broker

[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

Thanks folks.  I appreciate 5he insight.  I actually thought you had to pay 
them separately.
Adam

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From: Jeffrey Brideau via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 11:42:39 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Jeffrey Brideau 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Using a broker

It might depend on what you are planning to spend. Most buyer agents split the 
commission on a boat with the selling agent. You might find it hard to get one 
involved with a used older boat. We bought our boat through a Pop-Yachts 
listing and were provided a buyers agent automatically by Pop-yachts 
(remarkable for how little we paid for the boat) but we never met him in 
person. He was very helpful but as with anyone working on commission, we had to 
really push him to negotiate the price down to where we knew it should be based 
on the comps we got. More advice is available for completing a Pop-Yachts 
transaction if you like.

The best two things we had going for us were:
1. An independent, 3rd party, broker willing to do free comps and give market 
advice for us via email with the understanding we might use him in the future 
when we buy a more expensive upgrade. I found this guy by calling a buyers 
agent office and learned about the disinterest of buyers agent relationships 
for low-cost yachts at the beginning of our search. You might be able to pay 
someone a fee for this service if needed but ours offered for free.
2. A surveyor lined up BEFORE we decided on a boat. Ours was exceptionally 
helpful and spent hours on the phone with me talking about the various yachts 
we looked at during our search (try not to abuse their time, but Tom was a 
"talker" and kept me on the phone most times)

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:04 AM Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello listers


We are considering/ starting our search  and looking for  something  newer and 
slightly larger than our current 1981 C&C36.

I am sure this has been debated before.   Do I need to have a buyers broker( 
like real estate) looking our for my interests or is that an unnecessary 
expense?   I purchased my last 3 boats without one but they were more local.

Thanks
Adam Hayden

Thanks
Adam

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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

A windlass is one of the best purchases I made for cruising—it saved my back!  
How can you put a price on that?

Bob

Bob Boyer
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C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending summers on the Chesapeake Bay and winters in warm places)
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> On Aug 23, 2021, at 7:01 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have it now – the thing is a beast. Time to see if I need to do anything to 
> the anchor roller to make it fit.
> This may push me to look for a windlass at some point.
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina C&C 35 MK I
> Kent Island MD USA
>  
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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

I also use a chain hook as a third hand  to secure the chain when retrieving - 
this too is on a length of line and cleated to the bow cleat.  Indispensable 
when you are solo without a windlass. 

Dave 

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> On Aug 23, 2021, at 7:15 PM, Dave S  wrote:
> 
> Joe - pics of how mine (and others) sit here:
> 
> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/search/label/Deck%20and%20Cockpit?m=1
> 
> Hopefully yours will look smaller on the boat than in your kitchen. 
> 
> I secure it (10kg) to the bow cleat with a short lanyard and it stays put, 
> only very occasionally hopping off the roller when very excited.I think 
> the next size up (yours) would fit equally well. 
> 
> The 35-1 is pretty similar to the 33-2, (as far as anchor loading goes….) and 
> if your rode has less than 50’ of chain I bet you’ll be fine without a 
> windlass.  
> Dave 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2021, at 7:01 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I have it now – the thing is a beast. Time to see if I need to do anything 
>> to the anchor roller to make it fit.
>> This may push me to look for a windlass at some point.
>>  
>>  
>> Joe Della Barba
>> Coquina C&C 35 MK I
>> Kent Island MD USA
>>  
>>  
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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Joe - pics of how mine (and others) sit here:

http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/search/label/Deck%20and%20Cockpit?m=1

Hopefully yours will look smaller on the boat than in your kitchen. 

I secure it (10kg) to the bow cleat with a short lanyard and it stays put, only 
very occasionally hopping off the roller when very excited.I think the next 
size up (yours) would fit equally well. 

The 35-1 is pretty similar to the 33-2, (as far as anchor loading goes….) and 
if your rode has less than 50’ of chain I bet you’ll be fine without a 
windlass.  
Dave 


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> On Aug 23, 2021, at 7:01 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have it now – the thing is a beast. Time to see if I need to do anything to 
> the anchor roller to make it fit.
> This may push me to look for a windlass at some point.
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina C&C 35 MK I
> Kent Island MD USA
>  
>  
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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I have it now – the thing is a beast. Time to see if I need to do anything to 
the anchor roller to make it fit.

This may push me to look for a windlass at some point.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List C&C 25 mast fittings

[Stephen Kidd via CnC-List]

Greetings,

We are planning to replace our standing rigging this fall and I'm trying to
figure out what type of upper fitting is needed for the shrouds. The
owner's manual (1980 C&C 25 mkII) simply says "T-ball" for the forestay and
upper/lower shrouds. Looking around, it appears there are a number of
variants out there.

Assuming that T-ball and T-bar are the same in this case (please correct me
if I'm wrong on this point), I'm thinking they would be of the "old style"
since it is a 1980 model. Does anyone happen to know what sort of fittings
we'll need for the upper ends? We'll be ordering (local riggers seem to be
unavailable and the only estimate I got was $6,000), which leaves us on the
hook for figuring out the details.

We're planning on sending a GoPro up to take some pictures and look around
at things later this week, but we really don't know what to look for (any
identifying characteristics?). Step ladders make me nervous, so I'm happy
to let the camera make the first ascent.

Thank You!
Stephen Kidd
C&C 25 - Sweet Chariot
Washington DC
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Stus-List Re: Using a broker

[detroito91--- via CnC-List]

And I can attest to the fact it's a great boat. The graphics are fantastic.  A 
clean boat. Well taken care of.. I brought it down to Florida from New York for 
him.

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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

That’s more or less the Kijiji price in C$.


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> On Aug 23, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I read the same thing. And at $150 for a #30 Bruce, it is a steal (half 
> price?)
>  
> Marek
> 1994 C270 Legato
>  
> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 1:45 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?
>  
> I have no firsthand experience, but I have read several places that the 
> knock-offs are not as good as the real Bruce.  Apparently tiny differences in 
> the shape have big effects.
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[svrebeccaleah via CnC-List]

I went with the excel also based on Panopes observations.  I have the 45lb 
excel backed up by 300ft 5/16 G4 chain. A friend and I were rated on his 35lb 
Spade anchor and 100 ft of chain no issues. His boat is a Pretorian 35, 15k lbs 
, mine is a landfall 39 24k lbs. The 2 of us have been on my anchor with a 4 to 
1 scope in 20+ kts and no sign of dragging. I always go up one size on the 
anchor, and have at least a boat length worth of chain. When I replaced my 
windlass a couple of years ago I decided to go to an all chain rode. Sent from 
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 Original message From: Jim Watts via CnC-List 
 Date: 8/23/21  11:24  (GMT-08:00) To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Jim Watts  Subject: 
Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users? I have a 35 lb genuine Bruce as a backup 
to my 35 lb Delta. Works for me so far, but I am thinking of going to a 37 lb 
Excel to replace the Delta based on Panope's testing. I paid $1/lb for the 
Bruce, but I'm special. It replaced a 22 lb Lewmar Claw, and the differences in 
shape, fluke sharpness, and workmanship are obvious. Jim WattsParadigm ShiftC&C 
35 Mk IIIVictoria, BCOn Mon, 23 Aug 2021 at 07:44, Della Barba, Joe via 
CnC-List  wrote:








Someone on my street is selling a 33 pound real Bruce for $150.  I think it 
will be an improvement over my Danforth. Any Bruce fans?
 
Joe
Coquina




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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[Lee via CnC-List]

My 33lb bruce has been perfect for the last 21 years here on Long Island and as 
far North as Marblehead Ma. Never once dragged!! in all bottoms encountered.A 
hearty approval!

Lee Christiansen C&C 35-3 C/B
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Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2021 10:43 am
Subject: Stus-List any Bruce anchor users?

 Someone on my street is selling a 33 pound real Bruce for $150.  I think 
it will be an improvement over my Danforth. Any Bruce fans?    Joe Coquina 
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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I read the same thing. And at $150 for a #30 Bruce, it is a steal (half price?)

Marek
1994 C270 Legato

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 1:45 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

I have no firsthand experience, but I have read several places that the 
knock-offs are not as good as the real Bruce.  Apparently tiny differences in 
the shape have big effects.

Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I have a 35 lb genuine Bruce as a backup to my 35 lb Delta. Works for me so
far, but I am thinking of going to a 37 lb Excel to replace the Delta based
on Panope's testing. I paid $1/lb for the Bruce, but I'm special. It
replaced a 22 lb Lewmar Claw, and the differences in shape, fluke
sharpness, and workmanship are obvious.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 at 07:44, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Someone on my street is selling a 33 pound real Bruce for $150.  I think
> it will be an improvement over my Danforth. Any Bruce fans?
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Mine has been excellent actually the best test in a big overnight blow
where it held my C&C 35 and a Catalina 36 rafted along side us. I have the
stainless steel knock off version which was a mistake that looks good.  it
needs to be protected with its own anode or it destroys the zinc on the
anchor chain. Learned that but a little late so that meant 60 feet of new
5/16 galvanized chain. No problems now with the anode installed.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 2:45 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have no firsthand experience, but I have read several places that the
> knock-offs are not as good as the real Bruce.  Apparently tiny differences
> in the shape have big effects.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have no firsthand experience, but I have read several places that the 
knock-offs are not as good as the real Bruce.  Apparently tiny differences in 
the shape have big effects.

Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Timely discussion, a group of C&C owners here in Whitby ON have been
comparing notes.   (my 33-2, two 32s and a 30-2)

Windstar - my 33-2 has a 10kg Bruce, 50' heavy chain and 120' heavy four
plait rode (a bit too big for the cleats.)   I set it carefully and have
never yet dragged.  I have a fortress (danforth) and have struggled to get
it to set in the weedy conditions here.  I am looking for a second "main"
anchor toa take cruising so I have a backup.   Windstar came with a bigger
forged steel danforth, which is so difficult to stow and handle it stays
home.
The 30-2  uses a 7.5kg bruce and (I think) 30' chain plus rode - no
dragging issues but he is considering a larger anchor.  He often sets a
second as insurance though the primary has not failed him.
One of the 32s uses a 15KG CQR and around 20' of chain and routinely goes a
'draggin, even after a good solid set.   He's looking for a bruce and 50'
of chain.
The other 32 has two BIG new anchors, one a Rocna, plus a healthy length of
chain.   Not taking any chances.

The research seems to suggest that of the traditional anchors.   (plough,
claw, etc) the bruce has the strongest combination of reliability and
versatility.  Its also easy to stow.

The newer scoop types are apparently better on all fronts, and I am tempted
to explore that though a used bruce is substantially cheaper and it has
proven itself well.  I might go to a 15kg bruce and use it as my main only
when cruising.  (the #80 spade in Aluminum is appealing.  The C$1000
isnt)I do think that the 50' of chain plays a significant role.
 This and a 10-15kg anchor is as much as I want to manage without a
windlass.

On a recent cruise I anchored for 3 nights in 12' of water in a very weedy
(over mud) bay.   Varied winds.   When I retrieved the 10kg Bruce anchor I
noted the first 25' or so of chain was packed with muck indicating that the
anchor had not only set, but had continued to bury itself and the chain
deeper.  My buddy with the CQR dragged twice.

So, yes, the Bruce is OK!

Dave 33-2











On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 at 12:00, svrebeccaleah via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A true Bruce is better than a Danforth.
> I have an Excell based on these videos.
> They are long videos but I think very informative.
>
> https://youtu.be/smgWTtFuk3U
>
> https://youtu.be/ua21k2abK1Q
>
> FWIW
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
> Date: 8/23/21 07:44 (GMT-08:00)
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" 
> Subject: Stus-List any Bruce anchor users?
>
> Someone on my street is selling a 33 pound real Bruce for $150.  I think
> it will be an improvement over my Danforth. Any Bruce fans?
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Get it. I have a Bruce knock off never left me down  even once

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 11:44 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Someone on my street is selling a 33 pound real Bruce for $150.  I think
> it will be an improvement over my Danforth. Any Bruce fans?
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
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Stus-List Anyone Affected By Henri?

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Any listers in Henri’s path?

I saw a picture in the New York Times this morning of a couple large keelboats 
ashore on Conanicut Island (Jamestown, RI).  This fall I’m crewing the delivery 
of an Astrea 42 from Newport to Tortola, via Bermuda, as part of an offshore 
passage-making class from New England Sailing Center located in Jamestown.  
This morning a NESC employee emailed me that their fleet survived just fine due 
to double-bridling the boats to their moorings (and one bridle had snapped, so 
it was good that it was doubled).  She said all the boats ashore had bridle 
failures, except one that had a mooring ball screw failure and dragged its ball 
ashore.

I hope y’all in New England are getting through Henri with no damage.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO
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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[svrebeccaleah via CnC-List]

A true Bruce is better than a Danforth. I have an Excell based on these 
videos.They are long videos but I think very informative.  
https://youtu.be/smgWTtFuk3Uhttps://youtu.be/ua21k2abK1QFWIW Sent from my 
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 Original message From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
 Date: 8/23/21  07:44  (GMT-08:00) To: Stus-List 
 Cc: "Della Barba, Joe"  
Subject: Stus-List any Bruce anchor users? 


Someone on my street is selling a 33 pound real Bruce for $150.  I think it 
will be an improvement over my Danforth. Any Bruce fans?
 
Joe
Coquina




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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[T Sutton via CnC-List]

I had a Bruce on my 33 MkII and once I attached a long enough piece of chain 
and rode it was great in the North Channel.  I would recommend it but when I 
bought a new anchor for my current boat I went for a Rocna and it might even be 
better.

Tom S

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 10:43 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List any Bruce anchor users?

Someone on my street is selling a 33 pound real Bruce for $150.  I think it 
will be an improvement over my Danforth. Any Bruce fans?

 

Joe

Coquina




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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Firefly has a Bruce. Very effective.

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On Aug 23, 2021, at 10:59 AM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  
wrote:


I use a Lewmar that's the same as a Bruce, but much cheaper.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



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Someone on my street is selling a 33 pound real Bruce for $150.  I think it 
will be an improvement over my Danforth. Any Bruce fans?

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Using a broker

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Some, if not many, of the boat finance companies charge different rates based 
on age.  Typically 20 years is the break point.   Over 20 years is a higher rate

Neil Andersen
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

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Stus-List Re: Using a broker

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Full disclaimer - I am a broker.

As far as I know there is no formal thing as a buyer broker.  That said, when 
we are involved is a boat that is not our listing, we often act in that way.  
I, personally, tell the customer that I will act as their agent and take that 
seriously.

By convention, the commission split is 50/50 between the 2 brokerage houses in 
a co-broker arrangement.  What the split between the individual broker and 
brokerage house is company specific just like in real estate.

In order for the buyer’s broker to earn their commission, they need to be at 
the survey and handle the paperwork for the closing.

Some states have more formal rules and laws.  Florida requires licensure, but I 
have yet to see it mean a whole lot.

Neil Andersen
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800
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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I use a Lewmar that's the same as a Bruce, but much cheaper.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



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> Someone on my street is selling a 33 pound real Bruce for $150.  I think
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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Someone on my street is selling a 33 pound real Bruce for $150.  I think it 
will be an improvement over my Danforth. Any Bruce fans?

Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: Using a broker

[Jeffrey Brideau via CnC-List]

It might depend on what you are planning to spend. Most buyer agents split
the commission on a boat with the selling agent. You might find it hard to
get one involved with a used older boat. We bought our boat through a
Pop-Yachts listing and were provided a buyers agent automatically by
Pop-yachts (remarkable for how little we paid for the boat) but we never
met him in person. He was very helpful but as with anyone working on
commission, we had to really push him to negotiate the price down to where
we knew it should be based on the comps we got. More advice is available
for completing a Pop-Yachts transaction if you like.

The best two things we had going for us were:
1. An independent, 3rd party, broker willing to do free comps and give
market advice for us via email with the understanding we might use him in
the future when we buy a more expensive upgrade. I found this guy by
calling a buyers agent office and learned about the disinterest of buyers
agent relationships for low-cost yachts at the beginning of our search. You
might be able to pay someone a fee for this service if needed but ours
offered for free.
2. A surveyor lined up BEFORE we decided on a boat. Ours was exceptionally
helpful and spent hours on the phone with me talking about the various
yachts we looked at during our search (try not to abuse their time, but Tom
was a "talker" and kept me on the phone most times)

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:04 AM Adam Hayden via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello listers
>
>
> We are considering/ starting our search  and looking for  something  newer
> and slightly larger than our current 1981 C&C36.
>
> I am sure this has been debated before.   Do I need to have a buyers
> broker( like real estate) looking our for my interests or is that an
> unnecessary expense?   I purchased my last 3 boats without one but they
> were more local.
>
> Thanks
> Adam Hayden
>
> Thanks
> Adam
>
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Using a broker

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Re financing: My credit union will loan on boats 200 years old, they really 
don’t care about age as long as there is survey to provide some idea of the 
value of the boat. This is not true of most lenders, so make sure you can get 
the money on X year boat before wasting your time on it.

Joe

From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 10:33 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Using a broker

Adam,

+1 to Josh’s comments — it really helps if you are looking to borrow money to 
purchase the boat and if there are murky title and inspection issues. But, as 
Josh says, if you are capable and comfortable doing these things yourself (as 
many seasoned boat owners already are) then it’s really not necessary.

PS — If you are looking for slightly newer and larger than your current 1981 
36, suggest you look at a 1990 37/40. I know of one that you can get for a 
steal — way lower than market value.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B (for sale - NCC-1701-C is under contract)
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL













On Aug 23, 2021, at 10:24 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

A broker might be able to help you find a boat and if you are getting a loan 
they can smooth the title, inspection, insurance, and loan process.  If you are 
comfortable with handling those things yourself then I would consider foregoing 
the broker.  Especially and specifically if the boat is local to you.  Going 
into using a broker thinking that they are "looking out" for your interests as 
well or better than you would is IMO hopeful at best.  The broker gets paid 
when they close the deal, not based on how much they saved you or the number of 
hours worked or the number of phone calls made.  It is in the interest of the 
seller, the sellers agent, AND the buyers agent to close the deal quickly and 
at the highest price.  The only person who wins by moving slow and methodical, 
searching for the best boat and the best deal is the buyer (you).


Just my 2 cents,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 10:04 Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello listers


We are considering/ starting our search  and looking for  something  newer and 
slightly larger than our current 1981 C&C36.

I am sure this has been debated before.   Do I need to have a buyers broker( 
like real estate) looking our for my interests or is that an unnecessary 
expense?   I purchased my last 3 boats without one but they were more local.

Thanks
Adam Hayden

Thanks
Adam

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Stus-List Re: Using a broker

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I cannot say it will or won't help, but be warned:
Used boat prices have ramped up HUGELY in the last year or so. My wife thought 
maybe we should move up and I wasted time and money looking at floating junk 
that would have been going for scrap a couple of years ago. Also note the 
iPhone effect: Apple uses a lot of AI to make a tiny camera and sensor produce 
nice photos. The brokers use these phones to take many of the photos you see. 
The boats will NOT look that good. I steam-cleaned the non-skid in the cabin of 
our boat and it looked really nice compared to before. I sent my wife a photo 
and it looked like a BRAND NEW BOAT. If you saw that in a listing, you would be 
impressed. In real life it is NOT that good.
Meanwhile the same thing with campers and airplanes is going on. I just helped 
deliver an airplane 3,000 miles because my buddy had to jump on it no matter 
how far away it was and the thing went for about $60K over what it would have a 
year previous.
Anything to escape covid is $$

Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: Using a broker

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Adam,

+1 to Josh’s comments — it really helps if you are looking to borrow money to 
purchase the boat and if there are murky title and inspection issues. But, as 
Josh says, if you are capable and comfortable doing these things yourself (as 
many seasoned boat owners already are) then it’s really not necessary. 

PS — If you are looking for slightly newer and larger than your current 1981 
36, suggest you look at a 1990 37/40. I know of one that you can get for a 
steal — way lower than market value. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B (for sale - NCC-1701-C is under contract)
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL












On Aug 23, 2021, at 10:24 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
wrote:

A broker might be able to help you find a boat and if you are getting a loan 
they can smooth the title, inspection, insurance, and loan process.  If you are 
comfortable with handling those things yourself then I would consider foregoing 
the broker.  Especially and specifically if the boat is local to you.  Going 
into using a broker thinking that they are "looking out" for your interests as 
well or better than you would is IMO hopeful at best.  The broker gets paid 
when they close the deal, not based on how much they saved you or the number of 
hours worked or the number of phone calls made.  It is in the interest of the 
seller, the sellers agent, AND the buyers agent to close the deal quickly and 
at the highest price.  The only person who wins by moving slow and methodical, 
searching for the best boat and the best deal is the buyer (you).


Just my 2 cents, 

Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk 
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD 

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 10:04 Adam Hayden via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello listers


We are considering/ starting our search  and looking for  something  newer and 
slightly larger than our current 1981 C&C36.

I am sure this has been debated before.   Do I need to have a buyers broker( 
like real estate) looking our for my interests or is that an unnecessary 
expense?   I purchased my last 3 boats without one but they were more local.   

Thanks
Adam Hayden

Thanks
Adam

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  Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Using a broker

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Adam

Is no extra expense.  When using a buyers broker the commission is split 
between the selling broker and the buying broker.  On top of that the Buyers 
broker is looking out for your interests and can make a whole ot of things go 
more easily for you ...

From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
Sent: August 23, 2021 11:04 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Adam Hayden 
Subject: Stus-List Using a broker

Hello listers


We are considering/ starting our search  and looking for  something  newer and 
slightly larger than our current 1981 C&C36.

I am sure this has been debated before.   Do I need to have a buyers broker( 
like real estate) looking our for my interests or is that an unnecessary 
expense?   I purchased my last 3 boats without one but they were more local.

Thanks
Adam Hayden

Thanks
Adam

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Stus-List Re: Using a broker

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

A broker might be able to help you find a boat and if you are getting a
loan they can smooth the title, inspection, insurance, and loan process.
If you are comfortable with handling those things yourself then I would
consider foregoing the broker.  Especially and specifically if the boat is
local to you.  Going into using a broker thinking that they are "looking
out" for your interests as well or better than you would is IMO hopeful at
best.  The broker gets paid when they close the deal, not based on how much
they saved you or the number of hours worked or the number of phone calls
made.  It is in the interest of the seller, the sellers agent, AND the
buyers agent to close the deal quickly and at the highest price.  The only
person who wins by moving slow and methodical, searching for the best boat
and the best deal is the buyer (you).


Just my 2 cents,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 10:04 Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hello listers
>
>
> We are considering/ starting our search  and looking for  something  newer
> and slightly larger than our current 1981 C&C36.
>
> I am sure this has been debated before.   Do I need to have a buyers
> broker( like real estate) looking our for my interests or is that an
> unnecessary expense?   I purchased my last 3 boats without one but they
> were more local.
>
> Thanks
> Adam Hayden
>
> Thanks
> Adam
>
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.
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Stus-List Using a broker

[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

Hello listers


We are considering/ starting our search  and looking for  something  newer and 
slightly larger than our current 1981 C&C36.

I am sure this has been debated before.   Do I need to have a buyers broker( 
like real estate) looking our for my interests or is that an unnecessary 
expense?   I purchased my last 3 boats without one but they were more local.

Thanks
Adam Hayden

Thanks
Adam

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Leaking hatch

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

It was this stuff:
https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--liquid-electrical-tape--544171

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 6:28 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Leaking hatch

Yes – it  was liquid electrical tape.

Joe

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