Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Another nice feature with the Jabsco Y-valve is the adjustable outlets.  I have 
a photo on my blog showing the inlet coming up from below with one Y-outlet 
going straight up to the deck for pump outs and the other Y-outlet coming out 
horizontally with a short hose into the macerator.

photo link: 
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SFuNLCKh0gQ/Vh7Nk_ScSuI/IDo/Mindrc5vWM0/s1600/IMG_4634.JPG

Link to blog post: 
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/HeadPlumbingWork


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Nov 7, 2017, at 9:21 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 09:20:21 -0500
> From: "Matthew L. Wolford" mailto:wolf...@erie.net>>
> To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves
> Message-ID: <5AFA104957164B639AAC9C5FF8D1D367@InternetPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Just looked at the Practical Sailor review of Y-valves.  The findings were 
> essentially as follows: 1) if space is an issue, go with Bosworth or Forespar 
> (Forespar preferred); 2) if space is not an issue, Jabsco is the best buy 
> pick (that?s what I have, and it works fine); and 3) if you want something 
> more robust and are willing to pay more, Groco makes a bronze unit that also 
> got very high marks.  

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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Thanks all!

I have Forespar valves.  I find them hard to impossible to turn.  I'll see
how much room I have and go from there.  I have to agree with Danny - If
Peggy and RC Collins agree there is a high probability they are right.

Joel

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Just looked at the Practical Sailor review of Y-valves.  The findings were
> essentially as follows: 1) if space is an issue, go with Bosworth or
> Forespar (Forespar preferred); 2) if space is not an issue, Jabsco is the
> best buy pick (that’s what I have, and it works fine); and 3) if you want
> something more robust and are willing to pay more, Groco makes a bronze
> unit that also got very high marks.
>
> *From:* Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 07, 2017 8:56 AM
> *To:* Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> *Cc:* Danny Haughey 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves
>
>
> I used the 101/102 on my boat.  Although it can be a struggle there are
> some things that mike it a bit easier to deal with.  the heat gun will help
> it bend a bit tighter and also help it slide over the fittings.  heat the
> ends and use the liquid soap and it will slide on fittings pretty easily.
> I think the toughest scenario is a tight bend onto a fitting.  I think it
> is good to have a good 6 to 8 inches of a straight run into a fitting.
>
> beyond that it is pretty straight forward.  you need to be forceful
> routing it and try not to bend it through any openings too tight.   you'll
> probably feel that you've had a bit of a workout in the end!  LOL  I know I
> did!
>
> I researched and researched hoses and the consensus was trident 101/102
> for sanitation hose.  I imagine every hose will have pros and cons.  to me,
> the deciding factors were recommendations from Peggie Hall and Mainesail.
>
> Danny.
>
>
>
> On 11/6/2017 10:36 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Joel,
>
>
>
> You may want to have a look at these two articles:
>
>
>
> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0419/9489/files/
> PS1312_War_Against_Head_Odors_2_reprint1404_web.pdf
>
> (why it shows up as Shopify, I have no clue, but it is a Practical
> Sailor’s review of  sanitation hoses and it is a PDF, so you can keep it.
> They say that Trident 101/102 is not necessarily the best option, though it
> is the cheapest of the good ones. If you have tight corners, Raritan might
> be a better option. Keep in mind that this article is a bit dated (Dec
> 2013).
>
>
>
> https://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/More-Great-Tips-for-
> Stopping-Boat-Stink-10852-1.html - this is a bit of a guide that you
> probably want to read before you start the project.
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, November 6, 2017 19:52
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves
>
>
>
> Glad I asked!  I’ll defer to the collective wisdom and go with the
> 101/102. I’ll borrow a small angle grinder to speed the process. This is
> not a job I want to repeat!
>
>
>
> The Raritan valve is worth a look too.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 6:37 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> We replaced the Y Valve on Alera this year.  Went for the Raritan
> Tru-Desoign Manual Aquavalve https://www.fisheriessupply.
> com/raritan-tru-design-manual-aquavalve-y-valve-td90314w
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fisheriessupply.com%2Fraritan-tru-design-manual-aquavalve-y-valve-td90314w&data=02%7C01%7Cdziedzicmj%40hotmail.com%7C66f3ade4cb6a464a11a108d52579d43e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636456127535536767&sdata=LKvTOe0dCT0LmdGpP5XHBA5FSpz8RR0JDoGlZiq4cnw%3D&reserved=0>
>
> Love it.  Solid, positive and smoooth!
>
> Our old Bosworth Y-Valve was shitty ;)
>
> ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C&C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
>
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sv-alera.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cdziedzicmj%40hotmail.com%7C66f3ade4cb6a464a11a108d52579d43e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636456127535536767&sdata=Q15N%2F8xlWkWcuPKLTV2yzx8PgG12wEhhVjsZ8%2Fbuo7o%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
> At 01:21 PM 11/6/2017, you wrote:
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 13:59:50 -0500
> From: Joel Aronson 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> S

Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Just looked at the Practical Sailor review of Y-valves.  The findings were 
essentially as follows: 1) if space is an issue, go with Bosworth or Forespar 
(Forespar preferred); 2) if space is not an issue, Jabsco is the best buy pick 
(that’s what I have, and it works fine); and 3) if you want something more 
robust and are willing to pay more, Groco makes a bronze unit that also got 
very high marks.  

From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 8:56 AM
To: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

I used the 101/102 on my boat.  Although it can be a struggle there are some 
things that mike it a bit easier to deal with.  the heat gun will help it bend 
a bit tighter and also help it slide over the fittings.  heat the ends and use 
the liquid soap and it will slide on fittings pretty easily.  I think the 
toughest scenario is a tight bend onto a fitting.  I think it is good to have a 
good 6 to 8 inches of a straight run into a fitting.

beyond that it is pretty straight forward.  you need to be forceful routing it 
and try not to bend it through any openings too tight.   you'll probably feel 
that you've had a bit of a workout in the end!  LOL  I know I did!

I researched and researched hoses and the consensus was trident 101/102 for 
sanitation hose.  I imagine every hose will have pros and cons.  to me, the 
deciding factors were recommendations from Peggie Hall and Mainesail.


Danny.





On 11/6/2017 10:36 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:

  Joel,

   

  You may want to have a look at these two articles:

   

  
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0419/9489/files/PS1312_War_Against_Head_Odors_2_reprint1404_web.pdf

  (why it shows up as Shopify, I have no clue, but it is a Practical Sailor’s 
review of  sanitation hoses and it is a PDF, so you can keep it. They say that 
Trident 101/102 is not necessarily the best option, though it is the cheapest 
of the good ones. If you have tight corners, Raritan might be a better option. 
Keep in mind that this article is a bit dated (Dec 2013).

   

  
https://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/More-Great-Tips-for-Stopping-Boat-Stink-10852-1.html
 - this is a bit of a guide that you probably want to read before you start the 
project.

   

  Marek 

   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
Aronson via CnC-List
  Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 19:52
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

   

  Glad I asked!  I’ll defer to the collective wisdom and go with the 101/102. 
I’ll borrow a small angle grinder to speed the process. This is not a job I 
want to repeat!

   

  The Raritan valve is worth a look too. 

   

  Joel 

   

  On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 6:37 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:

We replaced the Y Valve on Alera this year.  Went for the Raritan 
Tru-Desoign Manual Aquavalve 
https://www.fisheriessupply.com/raritan-tru-design-manual-aquavalve-y-valve-td90314w
 

Love it.  Solid, positive and smoooth!

Our old Bosworth Y-Valve was shitty ;)

¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA

(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com 




At 01:21 PM 11/6/2017, you wrote:

  Message: 2
  Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 13:59:50 -0500
  From: Joel Aronson 
  To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
  Subject: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves
  Message-ID:
   
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  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

  This winter I am going to replace the sanitation hose and Y valves in both
  heads.

  Amazon has a 50 foot roll of 140 series Trident hose for $150.  Any reason
  this is the wrong hose?  Anyone in Annapolis want to split a roll?  (Beats
  10/foot at the local stores)

  Looking for recommendations on a Y valve.  The bosworth seems like a good
  option.  Anyone use them?

  --

.

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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I used the 101/102 on my boat.  Although it can be a struggle there are 
some things that mike it a bit easier to deal with.  the heat gun will 
help it bend a bit tighter and also help it slide over the fittings.  
heat the ends and use the liquid soap and it will slide on fittings 
pretty easily.  I think the toughest scenario is a tight bend onto a 
fitting.  I think it is good to have a good 6 to 8 inches of a straight 
run into a fitting.


beyond that it is pretty straight forward.  you need to be forceful 
routing it and try not to bend it through any openings too tight.   
you'll probably feel that you've had a bit of a workout in the end!  
LOL  I know I did!


I researched and researched hoses and the consensus was trident 101/102 
for sanitation hose.  I imagine every hose will have pros and cons.  to 
me, the deciding factors were recommendations from Peggie Hall and 
Mainesail.


Danny.



On 11/6/2017 10:36 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:


Joel,

You may want to have a look at these two articles:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0419/9489/files/PS1312_War_Against_Head_Odors_2_reprint1404_web.pdf

(why it shows up as Shopify, I have no clue, but it is a Practical 
Sailor’s review of  sanitation hoses and it is a PDF, so you can keep 
it. They say that Trident 101/102 is not necessarily the best option, 
though it is the cheapest of the good ones. If you have tight corners, 
Raritan might be a better option. Keep in mind that this article is a 
bit dated (Dec 2013).


https://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/More-Great-Tips-for-Stopping-Boat-Stink-10852-1.html 
- this is a bit of a guide that you probably want to read before you 
start the project.


Marek

*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Joel Aronson via CnC-List

*Sent:* Monday, November 6, 2017 19:52
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Joel Aronson 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

Glad I asked!  I’ll defer to the collective wisdom and go with the 
101/102. I’ll borrow a small angle grinder to speed the process. This 
is not a job I want to repeat!


The Raritan valve is worth a look too.

Joel

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 6:37 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


We replaced the Y Valve on Alera this year.  Went for the Raritan
Tru-Desoign Manual Aquavalve

https://www.fisheriessupply.com/raritan-tru-design-manual-aquavalve-y-valve-td90314w

<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fisheriessupply.com%2Fraritan-tru-design-manual-aquavalve-y-valve-td90314w&data=02%7C01%7Cdziedzicmj%40hotmail.com%7C66f3ade4cb6a464a11a108d52579d43e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636456127535536767&sdata=LKvTOe0dCT0LmdGpP5XHBA5FSpz8RR0JDoGlZiq4cnw%3D&reserved=0>


Love it.  Solid, positive and smoooth!

Our old Bosworth Y-Valve was shitty ;)

¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA

(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com

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    mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

This winter I am going to replace the sanitation hose and Y
valves in both
heads.

Amazon has a 50 foot roll of 140 series Trident hose for
$150.  Any reason
this is the wrong hose?  Anyone in Annapolis want to split a
roll?  (Beats
10/foot at the local stores)

Looking for recommendations on a Y valve.  The bosworth seems
like a good
option.  Anyone use them?

--

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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Joel,

You may want to have a look at these two articles:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0419/9489/files/PS1312_War_Against_Head_Odors_2_reprint1404_web.pdf
(why it shows up as Shopify, I have no clue, but it is a Practical Sailor’s 
review of  sanitation hoses and it is a PDF, so you can keep it. They say that 
Trident 101/102 is not necessarily the best option, though it is the cheapest 
of the good ones. If you have tight corners, Raritan might be a better option. 
Keep in mind that this article is a bit dated (Dec 2013).

https://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/More-Great-Tips-for-Stopping-Boat-Stink-10852-1.html
 - this is a bit of a guide that you probably want to read before you start the 
project.

Marek

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 19:52
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

Glad I asked!  I’ll defer to the collective wisdom and go with the 101/102. 
I’ll borrow a small angle grinder to speed the process. This is not a job I 
want to repeat!

The Raritan valve is worth a look too.

Joel

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 6:37 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
We replaced the Y Valve on Alera this year.  Went for the Raritan Tru-Desoign 
Manual Aquavalve 
https://www.fisheriessupply.com/raritan-tru-design-manual-aquavalve-y-valve-td90314w<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fisheriessupply.com%2Fraritan-tru-design-manual-aquavalve-y-valve-td90314w&data=02%7C01%7Cdziedzicmj%40hotmail.com%7C66f3ade4cb6a464a11a108d52579d43e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636456127535536767&sdata=LKvTOe0dCT0LmdGpP5XHBA5FSpz8RR0JDoGlZiq4cnw%3D&reserved=0>

Love it.  Solid, positive and smoooth!

Our old Bosworth Y-Valve was shitty ;)

¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

This winter I am going to replace the sanitation hose and Y valves in both
heads.

Amazon has a 50 foot roll of 140 series Trident hose for $150.  Any reason
this is the wrong hose?  Anyone in Annapolis want to split a roll?  (Beats
10/foot at the local stores)

Looking for recommendations on a Y valve.  The bosworth seems like a good
option.  Anyone use them?
--

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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

A heat gun and some liquid soap will help with getting the hoses on. 
Danny


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/6/17  7:51 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joel Aronson  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves 
Glad I asked!  I’ll defer to the collective wisdom and go with the 101/102. 
I’ll borrow a small angle grinder to speed the process. This is not a job I 
want to repeat!
The Raritan valve is worth a look too. 
Joel 
On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 6:37 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:


We replaced the Y Valve on Alera this year.  Went for
the Raritan Tru-Desoign Manual Aquavalve

https://www.fisheriessupply.com/raritan-tru-design-manual-aquavalve-y-valve-td90314w



Love it.  Solid, positive and smoooth!


Our old Bosworth Y-Valve was shitty ;)



¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.

Tom Buscaglia

SV Alera

C&C 37+/40

Vashon Island WA

(206) 463-9200

www.sv-alera.com






At 01:21 PM 11/6/2017, you wrote:

Message: 2

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 13:59:50 -0500

From: Joel Aronson 

To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 

Subject: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

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This winter I am going to replace the sanitation hose and Y valves in
both

heads.


Amazon has a 50 foot roll of 140 series Trident hose for $150.  Any
reason

this is the wrong hose?  Anyone in Annapolis want to split a
roll?  (Beats

10/foot at the local stores)


Looking for recommendations on a Y valve.  The bosworth seems like a
good

option.  Anyone use them?


--

.




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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Glad I asked!  I’ll defer to the collective wisdom and go with the 101/102.
I’ll borrow a small angle grinder to speed the process. This is not a job I
want to repeat!

The Raritan valve is worth a look too.

Joel

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 6:37 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We replaced the Y Valve on Alera this year.  Went for the Raritan
> Tru-Desoign Manual Aquavalve
> https://www.fisheriessupply.com/raritan-tru-design-manual-aquavalve-y-valve-td90314w
>
> Love it.  Solid, positive and smoooth!
>
> Our old Bosworth Y-Valve was shitty ;)
>
> ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C&C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>
>
>
> At 01:21 PM 11/6/2017, you wrote:
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 13:59:50 -0500
> From: Joel Aronson 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves
> Message-ID:
>  <
> cael16p-p_k3a1lp7b_rxayk+p-l24mcyyofiq8n3bp-vpxf...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> This winter I am going to replace the sanitation hose and Y valves in both
> heads.
>
> Amazon has a 50 foot roll of 140 series Trident hose for $150.  Any reason
> this is the wrong hose?  Anyone in Annapolis want to split a roll?  (Beats
> 10/foot at the local stores)
>
> Looking for recommendations on a Y valve.  The bosworth seems like a good
> option.  Anyone use them?
>
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Stus-List Sanitation hose with wire

[robert via CnC-List]

Several of the hoses on my boat that are wired, I know because I either 
put them there in the first place and/or replaced them, e.g. sanitation, 
exhaust, scupper, etc.no hard or 90 deg. angle to try to 
attach.like Paul E. cut with a hack saw, trim if necessary.I was 
led to understand that these critical hoses should never get crushed, 
obstructed, closed for any reason and therefore the wired hose was the 
safest way to go.harder to compress a wired to stop the flow.


As for the Y-valve, I installed one on the boat 12 years ago and would 
have to go to it to find out what brand/model it waswill get there 
this week and get backbeen there 12 years and works fine for what 
that is worth.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-11-06 6:51 PM, Dreuge via CnC-List wrote:
I never had a problem with wired hose.  I use a hack saw to cut and 
then clip the wire back so there is no exposure.   In addition to 101 
sanitation hose, I use the wired 250 hose for the exhaust line before 
and after the lift muffler, and I also use 250 hose for main scuppers 
which have below waterline thru-hulls.   I do admit that I use the 200 
series hose (no wire) for sink drains to seacocks.



-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

On Nov 6, 2017, at 5:17 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 16:24:39 -0500
From: Joel Aronson <mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>

Subject: Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves
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Danny,

PIA to cut and the exposed end rusts.

Joel




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Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

We replaced the Y Valve on Alera this year.  Went 
for the Raritan Tru-Desoign Manual Aquavalve 
https://www.fisheriessupply.com/raritan-tru-design-manual-aquavalve-y-valve-td90314w


Love it.  Solid, positive and smoooth!

Our old Bosworth Y-Valve was shitty ;)


¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com



At 01:21 PM 11/6/2017, you wrote:

Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 13:59:50 -0500
From: Joel Aronson 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

This winter I am going to replace the sanitation hose and Y valves in both
heads.

Amazon has a 50 foot roll of 140 series Trident hose for $150.  Any reason
this is the wrong hose?  Anyone in Annapolis want to split a roll?  (Beats
10/foot at the local stores)

Looking for recommendations on a Y valve.  The bosworth seems like a good
option.  Anyone use them?

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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose with wire

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

I never had a problem with wired hose.  I use a hack saw to cut and then clip 
the wire back so there is no exposure.   In addition to 101 sanitation hose, I 
use the wired 250 hose for the exhaust line before and after the lift muffler, 
and I also use 250 hose for main scuppers which have below waterline 
thru-hulls.   I do admit that I use the 200 series hose (no wire) for sink 
drains to seacocks.


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 5:17 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 16:24:39 -0500
> From: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>>
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves
> Message-ID:
><mailto:cael16p8tvjwr2wjzsrcgodua0yr-iy8+ohedlfrxeyjej7q...@mail.gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Danny,
> 
> PIA to cut and the exposed end rusts.
> 
> Joel

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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

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Joel,

I have to agree with Danny.  Trident 101 (or the white 102) is a much better 
hose that Trident 140.  I have worked with both and honestly I think working 
with the white PVC sanitation hoses (i.e. 140) is a much great pain in the ass. 
 

As for Y-valves, I have been real happy with the Jabsco Y-valve


Here is a quote from Maine Sail on Sailnet regarding sanitation hoses. 


=
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do yourselves a favor and STOP USING THE WHITE PVC 
SANITATION HOSE 
<https://www.amazon.com/Trident-101-1124-Premium-Sanitation-Pressure/dp/B005FCIGG8>.
 Unless you want to throw your hard earned money straight out the window this 
stuff is PURE GARBAGE. It can odor permeate in as little as 12 months but 
almost always in less than 2 years.

DO NOT USE:
Trident #148
Trident #140
Shields <https://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=shields> #144
Shields #148
Clear PVC Anything

The above hoses are pure unadulterated JUNK and a wallet draining rip off. 
Please stop supporting the companies that make this crap by purchasing it. It 
is NOT a sanitation hose 
<https://www.amazon.com/Trident-101-1124-Premium-Sanitation-Pressure/dp/B005FCIGG8>
 no matter what they tell you.. If you want your vessel to smell like a 
cess-pool go for it, otherwise use Trident #101 or Trident #102.

Do Use:
Trident #101 (black) 
Trident #102 (white)




-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 4:21 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 13:59:50 -0500
> From: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>>
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> This winter I am going to replace the sanitation hose and Y valves in both
> heads.
> 
> Amazon has a 50 foot roll of 140 series Trident hose for $150.  Any reason
> this is the wrong hose?  Anyone in Annapolis want to split a roll?  (Beats
> 10/foot at the local stores)
> 
> Looking for recommendations on a Y valve.  The bosworth seems like a good
> option.  Anyone use them?
> 
> -- 
> Joel
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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Danny,

PIA to cut and the exposed end rusts.

Joel

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joel,
>
> I'm no help on the valve, I just reused the one that was there.  Any
> reason you're against the wire in the hose, just curious?
>
> Danny
>
> On 11/6/2017 4:13 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Danny,
>
> With all due respect to Peggy, I don't like wire reinforced hoses.  Any
> thoughts on the y valve?
>
> Joel
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> trident 101 and 102 is what Peggie Hall recommends and what I used.
>> Although I did use 148 for the vents
>>
>> Danny
>>
>> On 11/6/2017 1:59 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> This winter I am going to replace the sanitation hose and Y valves in
>> both heads.
>>
>> Amazon has a 50 foot roll of 140 series Trident hose for $150.  Any
>> reason this is the wrong hose?  Anyone in Annapolis want to split a roll?
>> (Beats 10/foot at the local stores)
>>
>> Looking for recommendations on a Y valve.  The bosworth seems like a good
>> option.  Anyone use them?
>>
>> --
>> Joel
>> 301 541 8551 <%28301%29%20541-8551>
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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Joel,

I'm no help on the valve, I just reused the one that was there. Any 
reason you're against the wire in the hose, just curious?


Danny


On 11/6/2017 4:13 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:

Danny,

With all due respect to Peggy, I don't like wire reinforced hoses.  
Any thoughts on the y valve?


Joel

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


trident 101 and 102 is what Peggie Hall recommends and what I
used.  Although I did use 148 for the vents

Danny


On 11/6/2017 1:59 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:

This winter I am going to replace the sanitation hose and Y
valves in both heads.

Amazon has a 50 foot roll of 140 series Trident hose for $150. 
Any reason this is the wrong hose?  Anyone in Annapolis want to
split a roll?  (Beats 10/foot at the local stores)

Looking for recommendations on a Y valve. The bosworth seems like
a good option.  Anyone use them?

-- 
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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Danny,

With all due respect to Peggy, I don't like wire reinforced hoses.  Any
thoughts on the y valve?

Joel

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> trident 101 and 102 is what Peggie Hall recommends and what I used.
> Although I did use 148 for the vents
>
> Danny
>
> On 11/6/2017 1:59 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
>
> This winter I am going to replace the sanitation hose and Y valves in both
> heads.
>
> Amazon has a 50 foot roll of 140 series Trident hose for $150.  Any reason
> this is the wrong hose?  Anyone in Annapolis want to split a roll?  (Beats
> 10/foot at the local stores)
>
> Looking for recommendations on a Y valve.  The bosworth seems like a good
> option.  Anyone use them?
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551 <(301)%20541-8551>
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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

trident 101 and 102 is what Peggie Hall recommends and what I used.  
Although I did use 148 for the vents


Danny


On 11/6/2017 1:59 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
This winter I am going to replace the sanitation hose and Y valves in 
both heads.


Amazon has a 50 foot roll of 140 series Trident hose for $150.  Any 
reason this is the wrong hose?  Anyone in Annapolis want to split a 
roll?  (Beats 10/foot at the local stores)


Looking for recommendations on a Y valve.  The bosworth seems like a 
good option.  Anyone use them?


--
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301 541 8551


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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

There was a Practical Sailor evaluation of Y-valves a few years ago.

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 1:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Sanitation hose and Y valves

This winter I am going to replace the sanitation hose and Y valves in both 
heads. 

Amazon has a 50 foot roll of 140 series Trident hose for $150.  Any reason this 
is the wrong hose?  Anyone in Annapolis want to split a roll?  (Beats 10/foot 
at the local stores)

Looking for recommendations on a Y valve.  The bosworth seems like a good 
option.  Anyone use them?  


-- 

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301 541 8551



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[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

This winter I am going to replace the sanitation hose and Y valves in both
heads.

Amazon has a 50 foot roll of 140 series Trident hose for $150.  Any reason
this is the wrong hose?  Anyone in Annapolis want to split a roll?  (Beats
10/foot at the local stores)

Looking for recommendations on a Y valve.  The bosworth seems like a good
option.  Anyone use them?

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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Eric

OD is 2 inches.

Joel

On Tuesday, December 23, 2014, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Have you seen this: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0419/9489/files/
> PS1312_War_Against_Head_Odors_2_reprint1404_web.pdf ?
>
> This is a Practical Sailor's test. For whatever reason the PDF of the
> results is available on that web site.
>
> Despite the popular opinion that Trident 101/102 are the best out there,
> other options were recommended even higher (e.g. Raritan).
>
> Interesting results
>
> Marek
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Eric Frank via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 11:06 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Sanitation hose
>
> I am replacing the old sanitation hose from the pump out fitting to the
> hand pump (used when we are offshore) and from the pump to the thru hull
> outlet. The Trident Sani Shield seems to be a favorite (1.5 inches ID) but
> has a bigger OD than other hoses.  Does anyone know its OD? - it will be
> easier if I don't have to make the hole it goes through (just plywood)
> bigger.
>
> Best wishes to all the wonderful people on Stu's list for the holiday
> season.  I enjoy working on Cat's Paw on the hard during the winter as well
> as the sailing season, and support from this group makes that much more
> productive and fun.
>
> Eric Frank
> Cat's Paw
> C&C 35 Mk II
> Mattapoisett, MA
>
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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose

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Eric,

Have you seen this: 
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0419/9489/files/PS1312_War_Against_Head_Odors_2_reprint1404_web.pdf 
?


This is a Practical Sailor's test. For whatever reason the PDF of the 
results is available on that web site.


Despite the popular opinion that Trident 101/102 are the best out there, 
other options were recommended even higher (e.g. Raritan).


Interesting results

Marek


-Original Message- 
From: Eric Frank via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 11:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Sanitation hose

I am replacing the old sanitation hose from the pump out fitting to the hand 
pump (used when we are offshore) and from the pump to the thru hull outlet. 
The Trident Sani Shield seems to be a favorite (1.5 inches ID) but has a 
bigger OD than other hoses.  Does anyone know its OD? - it will be easier if 
I don't have to make the hole it goes through (just plywood) bigger.


Best wishes to all the wonderful people on Stu's list for the holiday 
season.  I enjoy working on Cat's Paw on the hard during the winter as well 
as the sailing season, and support from this group makes that much more 
productive and fun.


Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA


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Re: Stus-List Sanitation hose

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Eric,

I just replaced a sanitation hose.  I think I used Vetus.  The wall was
about 1/4 inch, making the outside diameter 2 inches.  I can measure a
piece of scrap in the next couple days.  The Raritan is probably the most
flexible and is priced accordingly!

Joel

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Eric Frank via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am replacing the old sanitation hose from the pump out fitting to the
> hand pump (used when we are offshore) and from the pump to the thru hull
> outlet.  The Trident Sani Shield seems to be a favorite (1.5 inches ID) but
> has a bigger OD than other hoses.  Does anyone know its OD? - it will be
> easier if I don't have to make the hole it goes through (just plywood)
> bigger.
>
> Best wishes to all the wonderful people on Stu's list for the holiday
> season.  I enjoy working on Cat's Paw on the hard during the winter as well
> as the sailing season, and support from this group makes that much more
> productive and fun.
>
> Eric Frank
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> C&C 35 Mk II
> Mattapoisett, MA
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Stus-List Sanitation hose

[Eric Frank via CnC-List]

I am replacing the old sanitation hose from the pump out fitting to the hand 
pump (used when we are offshore) and from the pump to the thru hull outlet.  
The Trident Sani Shield seems to be a favorite (1.5 inches ID) but has a bigger 
OD than other hoses.  Does anyone know its OD? - it will be easier if I don't 
have to make the hole it goes through (just plywood) bigger.

Best wishes to all the wonderful people on Stu's list for the holiday season.  
I enjoy working on Cat's Paw on the hard during the winter as well as the 
sailing season, and support from this group makes that much more productive and 
fun.

Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
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Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[djhaug...@juno.com]

"I take it the "no 90deg bends" means no use ofa 90deg elbow. Does two 45 deg 
elbows and a short section between them work?" To play it safe you could always 
use the 2-45s and put a short piece of flexible pipe in between.  However you 
might be better off just making the whole turn with flexible tubing.  PVC can 
get more and more brittle over time and becomes very brittle in cold weather.  
I think you have to deal with 90 degree turns as though they are a more fixed 
connection.
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Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[Wally Bryant]

I think it means the hose.  I've been using PVC elbow in my system 
without a problem for 10 years.  You can get some ideas on my 'new tank 
and hoses' page:



Wal

On 10/28/2013 2:46 PM, Michael Brown wrote:

I take it the "no 90deg bends" means no use of
a 90deg elbow. Does two 45 deg elbows and a short section between them work?



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Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[Michael Brown]

 
Peggie mentioned that lifetime waranty hose and said she would go with the 
track record over the new product.  Meaning the Trident has been tried and true 
for many years.  It is $9.92/ft. at Go2Marine.com for the black stuff.  They 
don't appear to have the white version. 
 
 
I went through several different revisions of sanitation hose in an attempt to 
get rid of the smell.   In my experience, no matter what I did, marine grade 
sanitation hose will permeate, in a sense that head will always smell like the 
head.   I?ve been getting more and more advice from people in the industry and 
liveaboards to go with Home Depot PVC plumbing.  Make sure there are no 90deg 
bends, and use flexible hose in small sections where PVC attaches to rigid 
elements (Toilet, through-hull, tank or macerator pump).  PVC does not permeate 
any odor.   
 
I have not done this yet, but I plan on doing it this offseason.  I live on the 
boat, May through October and sleeping in the v-birth above stinky hose is not 
fun.  This off season getting rid of the smell for good, is high on the 
priority list.   
 
 
Shields and Trident are different companies with products.  However, Bill 
Shields is president of Trident Marine (Trident Rubber Inc.). 
 
"Trident Rubber Inc. was founded by Bill Shields in 1985 in the Pittsburgh, 
PA area. This followed a hostile takeover of Shields Rubber Corporation, a 
third generation family business in which we owned the largest, but not 
controlling interest. Shields Rubber was a large industrial rubber and hose 
distributor with seven locations (two of which also specialized in marine 
hose). Five years after the take over, Shields Rubber was sold, and its 
marine hose division was spun off to Sierra Supply, then to Morse Controls, 
and then to Teleflex. They remain a competitor with no family connection." 
 
http://www.tridentmarine.com/stage/about.htm 

Great information. I wondered if Trident and Shields had something in common, 
product numbering looked similar.

Windburn was hauled on Saturday, so had a chance to contemplate using some PVC. 
Looks like too many angles
and the only straight section has little access to get a piece in. I take it 
the "no 90deg bends" means no use of
a 90deg elbow. Does two 45 deg elbows and a short section between them work?

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1

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Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[Wally Bryant]

you wrote:

Peggie mentioned that lifetime waranty hose and said she would go with the 
track record over the new product.  Meaning the Trident has been tried and true 
for many years.


If you talk with Peggie again, ask how it compare to Sealand Odorsafe 
hose.  Just wondering.  Pose the question in a subservient manner, 
because she loves to be pandered to, and gets belligerent if her 
judgement is questioned.


Sealand changed suppliers for that product some years ago, but I managed 
to get some original stuff, and it has been totally odor free for 10 
years.  (Some people might say I'm full of s___ and they might be right 
but the hose seems to be bearing up under the strain.)  The original 
supplier is from Australia, and it might still be available under a 
different brand.


Now, regarding Trident hose, I can say that it is much better than 
Shields hose for all applications under the waterline.  The walls are 
significantly thicker.  You get what you pay for.


Wal

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Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[Ken Heaton]

Shields and Trident are different companies with products.  However, Bill
Shields is president of Trident Marine (Trident Rubber Inc.).

"Trident Rubber Inc. was founded by Bill Shields in 1985 in the Pittsburgh,
PA area. This followed a hostile takeover of Shields Rubber Corporation, a
third generation family business in which we owned the largest, but not
controlling interest. Shields Rubber was a large industrial rubber and hose
distributor with seven locations (two of which also specialized in marine
hose). Five years after the take over, Shields Rubber was sold, and its
marine hose division was spun off to Sierra Supply, then to Morse Controls,
and then to Teleflex. They remain a competitor with no family connection."

http://www.tridentmarine.com/stage/about.htm

Ken H.


On 25 October 2013 15:20, Petar Horvatic  wrote:

> I went through several different revisions of sanitation hose in an
> attempt to get rid of the smell.   In my experience, no matter what I did,
> marine grade sanitation hose will permeate, in a sense that head will
> always smell like the head.   I’ve been getting more and more advice from
> people in the industry and liveaboards to go with Home Depot PVC plumbing.
> Make sure there are no 90deg bends, and use flexible hose in small sections
> where PVC attaches to rigid elements (Toilet, through-hull, tank or
> macerator pump).  PVC does not permeate any odor.  
>
> I have not done this yet, but I plan on doing it this offseason.  I live
> on the boat, May through October and sleeping in the v-birth above stinky
> hose is not fun.  This off season getting rid of the smell for good, is
> high on the priority list.  
>
> ** **
>
> Petar Horvatic
>
> Sundowner
>
> 76 C&C 38MkII
>
> Newport, RI
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Brown
> *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2013 1:48 PM
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>I spoke to Peggie Hall last night and she asked; "Do you have anything
> against black hoses?"  I said, "Not really."  She said "oh good! use the
> trident 101 hoses.  I don't know of a single case where they have ever had
> a permeation issue." 
>
>
> I see a few choices at West Marine, Shields or Sealand brands instead of
> Trident.
>
> 1) Shields Series 101 No-Odor Super Head Hose
>
> 1 1/2" is $11.92 a foot
> Warranty: One year
>
> 2) Shields Poly X Sanitation Hose
>
> 1 1/2" is $21.62 a foot
> Warranty: Lifetime warranty against odor permeation
>
> 3) Sealand OdorSafe Plus Sanitation Hose
>
> 1 1/2" is $12.49 a foot
> Warranty: Five-year limited warranty
>
>
> For the five or six feet of hose I need ( C&C 30-1 ) the cost differential
> between the hoses is not a big issue. If the
> Shields Series 101 is a recommended hose and will last another 10 years
> that would be my first choice.
>
> I have a white hose installed, maybe 10 years old now and a small amount
> of odor is present after a few days away.
>
>
> Mike Brown
> Windburn
> C&C 30-1
>
>
> PS: We did a real man overboard recovery a couple of years ago returning
> from a race. The boat ahead of us lost a
> crew member relieving himself. We did the stuff by the book, spotter -
> lifesling ready - depowered quick stop method
> - put out the ladder. In fact it was a bit too quick. The MOB took a
> moment at the ladder, we asked if everything was
> OK? He said he was putting the little admiral away. Explained how
> difficult it was trying to swim and operate a zipper
> "safely" with one hand.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[Petar Horvatic]

I went through several different revisions of sanitation hose in an attempt to 
get rid of the smell.   In my experience, no matter what I did, marine grade 
sanitation hose will permeate, in a sense that head will always smell like the 
head.   I’ve been getting more and more advice from people in the industry and 
liveaboards to go with Home Depot PVC plumbing.  Make sure there are no 90deg 
bends, and use flexible hose in small sections where PVC attaches to rigid 
elements (Toilet, through-hull, tank or macerator pump).  PVC does not permeate 
any odor.  

I have not done this yet, but I plan on doing it this offseason.  I live on the 
boat, May through October and sleeping in the v-birth above stinky hose is not 
fun.  This off season getting rid of the smell for good, is high on the 
priority list.  

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C&C 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael Brown
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 1:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

 

 

   I spoke to Peggie Hall last night and she asked; "Do you have anything 
against black hoses?"  I said, "Not really."  She said "oh good! use the 
trident 101 hoses.  I don't know of a single case where they have ever had a 
permeation issue." 


I see a few choices at West Marine, Shields or Sealand brands instead of 
Trident.

1) Shields Series 101 No-Odor Super Head Hose

1 1/2" is $11.92 a foot
Warranty: One year

2) Shields Poly X Sanitation Hose

1 1/2" is $21.62 a foot
Warranty: Lifetime warranty against odor permeation

3) Sealand OdorSafe Plus Sanitation Hose

1 1/2" is $12.49 a foot
Warranty: Five-year limited warranty


For the five or six feet of hose I need ( C&C 30-1 ) the cost differential 
between the hoses is not a big issue. If the
Shields Series 101 is a recommended hose and will last another 10 years that 
would be my first choice.

I have a white hose installed, maybe 10 years old now and a small amount of 
odor is present after a few days away.


Mike Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


PS: We did a real man overboard recovery a couple of years ago returning from a 
race. The boat ahead of us lost a
crew member relieving himself. We did the stuff by the book, spotter - 
lifesling ready - depowered quick stop method
- put out the ladder. In fact it was a bit too quick. The MOB took a moment at 
the ladder, we asked if everything was
OK? He said he was putting the little admiral away. Explained how difficult it 
was trying to swim and operate a zipper
"safely" with one hand.





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Re: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Peggie mentioned that lifetime waranty hose and said she would go with the 
track record over the new product.  Meaning the Trident has been tried and true 
for many years.  It is $9.92/ft. at Go2Marine.com for the black stuff.  They 
don't appear to have the white version.

-- Original Message --
From: Michael Brown 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:48:16 -0400



   I spoke to Peggie Hall last night and she asked; "Do you have anything 
against black hoses?"  I said, "Not really."  She said "oh good! use the 
trident 101 hoses.  I don't know of a single case where they have ever had a 
permeation issue." 
I see a few choices at West Marine, Shields or Sealand brands instead of 
Trident.

1) Shields Series 101 No-Odor Super Head Hose

1 1/2" is $11.92 a foot
Warranty: One year

2) Shields Poly X Sanitation Hose

1 1/2" is $21.62 a foot
Warranty: Lifetime warranty against odor permeation

3) Sealand OdorSafe Plus Sanitation Hose

1 1/2" is $12.49 a foot
Warranty: Five-year limited warranty


For the five or six feet of hose I need ( C&C 30-1 ) the cost differential 
between the hoses is not a big issue. If the
Shields Series 101 is a recommended hose and will last another 10 years that 
would be my first choice.

I have a white hose installed, maybe 10 years old now and a small amount of 
odor is present after a few days away.


Mike Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


PS: We did a real man overboard recovery a couple of years ago returning from a 
race. The boat ahead of us lost a
crew member relieving himself. We did the stuff by the book, spotter - 
lifesling ready - depowered quick stop method
- put out the ladder. In fact it was a bit too quick. The MOB took a moment at 
the ladder, we asked if everything was
OK? He said he was putting the little admiral away. Explained how difficult it 
was trying to swim and operate a zipper
"safely" with one hand.





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Stus-List Sanitation Hose Recommendation

[Michael Brown]

    I spoke to Peggie Hall last night and she asked; "Do you have anything 
against black hoses?"  I said, "Not really."  She said "oh good! use the 
trident 101 hoses.  I don't know of a single case where they have ever had a 
permeation issue." 

I see a few choices at West Marine, Shields or Sealand brands instead of 
Trident.

1) Shields Series 101 No-Odor Super Head Hose

1 1/2" is $11.92 a foot
Warranty: One year

2) Shields Poly X Sanitation Hose

1 1/2" is $21.62 a foot
Warranty: Lifetime warranty against odor permeation

3) Sealand OdorSafe Plus Sanitation Hose

1 1/2" is $12.49 a foot
Warranty: Five-year limited warranty


For the five or six feet of hose I need ( C&C 30-1 ) the cost differential 
between the hoses is not a big issue. If the
Shields Series 101 is a recommended hose and will last another 10 years that 
would be my first choice.

I have a white hose installed, maybe 10 years old now and a small amount of 
odor is present after a few days away.


Mike Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


PS: We did a real man overboard recovery a couple of years ago returning from a 
race. The boat ahead of us lost a
crew member relieving himself. We did the stuff by the book, spotter - 
lifesling ready - depowered quick stop method
- put out the ladder. In fact it was a bit too quick. The MOB took a moment at 
the ladder, we asked if everything was
OK? He said he was putting the little admiral away. Explained how difficult it 
was trying to swim and operate a zipper
"safely" with one hand.




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