Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Thanks Marek

I asked Tim, but he doesn't have that size. Says he had issues with the
smaller LEDs burning out due to the tight fit in the Perko fixtures.

However, I just found reference on Rekord's website that the Victory LED is
for Perko Nav lights. So that's a much cheaper option and available locally
for me. At least I'll give it a shot and see how it goes.

Tim did also recommend checking with www.superbrightleds.com (US based).

Peter

*From:* Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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> *Cc:* Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 8:37 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to
> LEDs?
>
> Peter,
>
> If you are in Canada, you may try this place:
> http://www.marineledscanada.ca/. I had good success with him. The best
> thing is that he sails himself and knows a lot of different light fixtures
> from dealing with other people. You can email him or call him and you
> should figure it out. I had a problem with the anchor light (all bulbs that
> were originally available were too long), but we eventually found something
> after a long string of emails, pictures and measurements. And he is quite
> reasonably priced.
>
> Any good source in the US would kill you with shipping.
>
> Marek
> Ottawa, ON
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Someone should tell my daughter she doesn't really have an Amazon Prime account樂

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Aug 13, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> You Canadians don't have the benefit of Amazon Prime?  That would suck... OK, 
> that could change my previous post.
>  
> Bruce Whitmore
> 
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 8:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?
> 
> Peter,
>  
> If you are in Canada, you may try this place: 
> http://www.marineledscanada.ca/. I had good success with him. The best thing 
> is that he sails himself and knows a lot of different light fixtures from 
> dealing with other people. You can email him or call him and you should 
> figure it out. I had a problem with the anchor light (all bulbs that were 
> originally available were too long), but we eventually found something after 
> a long string of emails, pictures and measurements. And he is quite 
> reasonably priced.
>  
> Any good source in the US would kill you with shipping.
>  
> Marek
> Ottawa, ON
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 13:48
> To: 1 CnC List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Peter Fell <prf...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?
>  
> Well it can be a bit of a search for a correct bulb, at reasonable price, and 
> the manufacturers often don't always give very clear info.
>  
> I've been looking at LED festoon bulbs to convert a new Perko horizontal 
> mount stern light on my 27 (the small 'dome' type), mounted in the teak trim 
> on the stern. Previous owner had replaced the dome on the original fitting 
> (same style as the Perko) with a all-round one (!), and the light itself was 
> pretty deteriorated. So the bulb is 31mm 'type 71', not the larger, much more 
> common, 42mm. 
>  
> I've found Dr. LED bulbs at $40+ (CAD) (part number 9000173) that are clearly 
> identified as a nav light replacement. Then there is the Victory SourceLED at 
> $16 that is only identified as 'for Perko lights'.   I'll probably go for the 
> Dr. LED. At least I found an unused Perko fixture at a marine consignment 
> shop for $22, rather than the $75 I was quoted otherwise.
>  
> By the way, I looked at the Victory stern lights of the same style. Couldn't 
> find a LED socket-type bulb that would fit. And the Sea Dog versions you find 
> all over the place (which I think would have the same issue with LED bulbs) 
> have not been tested to international standards.
>  
>  
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Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

I have been in the process of replacing all the interior light bulbs with LEDs, 
and am now moving on to the navigation lights.  For my bow navigation lights, 
I'm probably going to go with Marinebeam, as I could not find high-intensity 
green 1157 LEDs.  There are plenty of red ones out there (think automotive turn 
signal bulbs), but not much in the way of bright green ones.  I'm just waiting 
to hear back from them with confirmation of the lumens produced by their bulbs.
As for the rest of the bulbs (and I will include the stern light in this 
comment because the Marinebeam light for the stern is going to be TOO bright), 
there are plenty of versions of festoon/automotive 12v LED bulbs out there, and 
many come in packages of 10 or more for somewhere around $15.  

The key is is look for lumens, and compare them to the bulb you are replacing.  
It takes a little bit of research, but by poking around the net you can find 
out how many lumens your current bulb puts out, consider whether you want your 
light to be brighter (usually that is the case), and also consider the color of 
the white light.  I found that most of the time when it says "warm white", that 
amounts to 3000K, which was spot-on equivalent to the halogen bulbs I was 
replacing.  You may want to go all the way to a bright white (6000K) for the 
stern light for the sake of aiding visibility, but I think that's a little too 
white for interior lights.

As for the festoon bulbs, measure the length in mm, and search for them that 
way - don't worry, you'll find them.
I also ended up putting a bright dome lamp in my engine compartment, and I had 
some strips of white LEDs, and now I can work on my engine without a 
flashlight.  That's been a great addition. 

So far I can turn on every light in the boat and draw no more than 3 amps, and 
there's a lot of lights in our C 37/40+

Hoping you find this helpful,  Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


  From: Peter Fell via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 To: 1 CnC List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Peter Fell <prf...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 1:49 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?
   
Well it can be a bit of a search for a correct bulb, at reasonable price, and 
the manufacturers often don't always give very clear info.
I've been looking at LED festoon bulbs to convert a new Perko horizontal mount 
stern light on my 27 (the small 'dome' type), mounted in the teak trim on the 
stern. Previous owner had replaced the dome on the original fitting (same style 
as the Perko) with a all-round one (!), and the light itself was pretty 
deteriorated. So the bulb is 31mm 'type 71', not the larger, much more common, 
42mm. 
I've found Dr. LED bulbs at $40+ (CAD) (part number 9000173) that are clearly 
identified as a nav light replacement. Then there is the Victory SourceLED at 
$16 that is only identified as 'for Perko lights'.   I'll probably go for the 
Dr. LED. At least I found an unused Perko fixture at a marine consignment shop 
for $22, rather than the $75 I was quoted otherwise.
By the way, I looked at the Victory stern lights of the same style. Couldn't 
find a LED socket-type bulb that would fit. And the Sea Dog versions you find 
all over the place (which I think would have the same issue with LED bulbs) 
have not been tested to international standards.

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Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

You Canadians don't have the benefit of Amazon Prime?  That would suck... OK, 
that could change my previous post.
 Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


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 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
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Peter,    If you are in Canada, you may try this 
place:http://www.marineledscanada.ca/. I had good success with him. The best 
thing is that he sails himself and knows a lot of different light fixtures from 
dealing with other people. You can email him or call him and you should figure 
it out. I had a problem with the anchor light (all bulbs that were originally 
available were too long), but we eventually found something after a long string 
of emails, pictures and measurements. And he is quite reasonably priced.    Any 
good source in the US would kill you with shipping.    Marek Ottawa, ON    
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Peter Fell 
via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 13:48
To: 1 CnC List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Peter Fell <prf...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?    
Well it can be a bit of a search for a correct bulb, at reasonable price, and 
the manufacturers often don't always give very clear info.    I've been looking 
at LED festoon bulbs to convert a new Perko horizontal mount stern light on my 
27 (the small 'dome' type), mounted in the teak trim on the stern. Previous 
owner had replaced the dome on the original fitting (same style as the Perko) 
with a all-round one (!), and the light itself was pretty deteriorated. So the 
bulb is 31mm 'type 71', not the larger, much more common, 42mm.     I've found 
Dr. LED bulbs at $40+ (CAD) (part number 9000173) that are clearly identified 
as a nav light replacement. Then there is the Victory SourceLED at $16 that is 
only identified as 'for Perko lights'.   I'll probably go for the Dr. LED. At 
least I found an unused Perko fixture at a marine consignment shop for $22, 
rather than the $75 I was quoted otherwise.    By the way, I looked at the 
Victory stern lights of the same style. Couldn't find a LED socket-type bulb 
that would fit. And the Sea Dog versions you find all over the place (which I 
think would have the same issue with LED bulbs) have not been tested to 
international standards.       ___

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Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Peter,

If you are in Canada, you may try this place: http://www.marineledscanada.ca/. 
I had good success with him. The best thing is that he sails himself and knows 
a lot of different light fixtures from dealing with other people. You can email 
him or call him and you should figure it out. I had a problem with the anchor 
light (all bulbs that were originally available were too long), but we 
eventually found something after a long string of emails, pictures and 
measurements. And he is quite reasonably priced.

Any good source in the US would kill you with shipping.

Marek
Ottawa, ON

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell 
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Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 13:48
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Cc: Peter Fell <prf...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

Well it can be a bit of a search for a correct bulb, at reasonable price, and 
the manufacturers often don't always give very clear info.

I've been looking at LED festoon bulbs to convert a new Perko horizontal mount 
stern light on my 27 (the small 'dome' type), mounted in the teak trim on the 
stern. Previous owner had replaced the dome on the original fitting (same style 
as the Perko) with a all-round one (!), and the light itself was pretty 
deteriorated. So the bulb is 31mm 'type 71', not the larger, much more common, 
42mm.

I've found Dr. LED bulbs at $40+ (CAD) (part number 9000173) that are clearly 
identified as a nav light replacement. Then there is the Victory SourceLED at 
$16 that is only identified as 'for Perko lights'.   I'll probably go for the 
Dr. LED. At least I found an unused Perko fixture at a marine consignment shop 
for $22, rather than the $75 I was quoted otherwise.

By the way, I looked at the Victory stern lights of the same style. Couldn't 
find a LED socket-type bulb that would fit. And the Sea Dog versions you find 
all over the place (which I think would have the same issue with LED bulbs) 
have not been tested to international standards.


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Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Well it can be a bit of a search for a correct bulb, at reasonable price,
and the manufacturers often don't always give very clear info.

I've been looking at LED festoon bulbs to convert a new Perko horizontal
mount stern light on my 27 (the small 'dome' type), mounted in the teak
trim on the stern. Previous owner had replaced the dome on the original
fitting (same style as the Perko) with a all-round one (!), and the light
itself was pretty deteriorated. So the bulb is 31mm 'type 71', not the
larger, much more common, 42mm.

I've found Dr. LED bulbs at $40+ (CAD) (part number 9000173) that are
clearly identified as a nav light replacement. Then there is the Victory
SourceLED at $16 that is only identified as 'for Perko lights'.   I'll
probably go for the Dr. LED. At least I found an unused Perko fixture at a
marine consignment shop for $22, rather than the $75 I was quoted otherwise.

By the way, I looked at the Victory stern lights of the same style.
Couldn't find a LED socket-type bulb that would fit. And the Sea Dog
versions you find all over the place (which I think would have the same
issue with LED bulbs) have not been tested to international standards.
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Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

All good points, I appreciate your perspectives.  I will 
proceed with a lot more confidence now, thanks!
Jim



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On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 8:56 AM -0500, "BillBinaList via CnC-List" 
 wrote:











  

  
  


Also critical to note that the USCG does not CERTIFY any items or
  products. They are not, "Good Housekeeping",  or, "U.L. Labs",
  which are privately owned services. The USCG publishes their
  standards, and manufacturers themselves certify that their product
  meets those standards. AquaSignal is merely giving themselves
  legal cover if you try to claim that they sold you a non-compliant
  piece of equipment. If you modify the fixture, they are absolving
  themselves of any responsibility. 




Bill Bina




On 8/11/2017 5:17 PM, Dennis C. via
  CnC-List wrote:



  Jim,



I spent 30 years in the regulatory field.  There's always
  some fine points to compliance.  There's differences between
  regulation, enforcement policy, equipment certifications,
  etc.  There is the occasional Coastie that will try to jam an
  enforcement policy up your nose but in the end, the
  regulations are what rule.



AquaSignal has gotten their light fixtures, with bulbs,
  "certified" to USCG standards.  Aquasignal gets their fixtures
  "certified" to assure their customers that the fixture meets
  the regulatory requirements for color, arc, visibility
  distance, etc.  Whoopee.  



Now, consider the actual regulations that apply to your
  boat.  Federal light requirements for vessels can be found in
  33 CFR 83.20-31.  This regulation states the colors, arcs, and
  visibility distances for vessels.



I think that is the regulation that applies.  I don't think
  it says anywhere that you have to use a "certified" fixture
  only that the light meet the requirements for color, arc,
  visibility distance, etc.  If you change the bulb in a
  "certified" fixture, it may no longer be "certified" but may
  well meet the regulation and your boat will be in compliance.



So, in my opinion, you can use a candle in a Pringles can
  as long as it meets the requirements for color, arc,
  visibility distance, etc.  I wouldn't expect a Coastie to
  argue with you if your lights look anywhere close to bright
  and are the correct color and arc.



Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

  

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 3:02 PM,
  Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
  wrote:

  
I agree about Marinebeam, I have used them for
  other lights on my boat, always with good results.  
 
Aqua Signal throws up a lot of smoke and noise
  about losing certifications by replacing the bulbs in
  their fixtures, is this a real concern or just them
  trying to get me to spend more with them?
 
http://www.aquasignal.com.au/aftermarket-led-replacement-bulbs/
 





  



  

  
  

  
  

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[BillBinaList via CnC-List]

Also critical to note that the USCG does not CERTIFY any items or 
products. They are not, "Good Housekeeping",  or, "U.L. Labs", which are 
privately owned services. The USCG publishes their standards, and 
manufacturers themselves certify that their product meets those 
standards. AquaSignal is merely giving themselves legal cover if you try 
to claim that they sold you a non-compliant piece of equipment. If you 
modify the fixture, they are absolving themselves of any responsibility.


Bill Bina


On 8/11/2017 5:17 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Jim,

I spent 30 years in the regulatory field.  There's always some fine 
points to compliance.  There's differences between regulation, 
enforcement policy, equipment certifications, etc.  There is the 
occasional Coastie that will try to jam an enforcement policy up your 
nose but in the end, the regulations are what rule.


AquaSignal has gotten their light fixtures, with bulbs, "certified" to 
USCG standards.  Aquasignal gets their fixtures "certified" to assure 
their customers that the fixture meets the regulatory requirements for 
color, arc, visibility distance, etc.  Whoopee.


Now, consider the actual regulations that apply to your boat.  Federal 
light requirements for vessels can be found in 33 CFR 83.20-31.  This 
regulation states the colors, arcs, and visibility distances for vessels.


I think that is the regulation that applies.  I don't think it says 
anywhere that you have to use a "certified" fixture only that the 
light meet the requirements for color, arc, visibility distance, etc.  
If you change the bulb in a "certified" fixture, it may no longer be 
"certified" but may well meet the regulation and your boat will be in 
compliance.


So, in my opinion, you can use a candle in a Pringles can as long as 
it meets the requirements for color, arc, visibility distance, etc.  I 
wouldn't expect a Coastie to argue with you if your lights look 
anywhere close to bright and are the correct color and arc.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
> wrote:


I agree about Marinebeam, I have used them for other lights on my
boat, always with good results.
Aqua Signal throws up a lot of smoke and noise about losing
certifications by replacing the bulbs in their fixtures, is this a
real concern or just them trying to get me to spend more with them?
http://www.aquasignal.com.au/aftermarket-led-replacement-bulbs/






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[Richard via CnC-List]

Dennis, that's the best analysis of the "light" discussion I have seen ever! 
Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Jim,
> 
> I spent 30 years in the regulatory field.  There's always some fine points to 
> compliance.  There's differences between regulation, enforcement policy, 
> equipment certifications, etc.  There is the occasional Coastie that will try 
> to jam an enforcement policy up your nose but in the end, the regulations are 
> what rule.
> 
> AquaSignal has gotten their light fixtures, with bulbs, "certified" to USCG 
> standards.  Aquasignal gets their fixtures "certified" to assure their 
> customers that the fixture meets the regulatory requirements for color, arc, 
> visibility distance, etc.  Whoopee.  
> 
> Now, consider the actual regulations that apply to your boat.  Federal light 
> requirements for vessels can be found in 33 CFR 83.20-31.  This regulation 
> states the colors, arcs, and visibility distances for vessels.
> 
> I think that is the regulation that applies.  I don't think it says anywhere 
> that you have to use a "certified" fixture only that the light meet the 
> requirements for color, arc, visibility distance, etc.  If you change the 
> bulb in a "certified" fixture, it may no longer be "certified" but may well 
> meet the regulation and your boat will be in compliance.
> 
> So, in my opinion, you can use a candle in a Pringles can as long as it meets 
> the requirements for color, arc, visibility distance, etc.  I wouldn't expect 
> a Coastie to argue with you if your lights look anywhere close to bright and 
> are the correct color and arc.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I agree about Marinebeam, I have used them for other lights on my boat, 
>> always with good results.  
>>  
>> Aqua Signal throws up a lot of smoke and noise about losing certifications 
>> by replacing the bulbs in their fixtures, is this a real concern or just 
>> them trying to get me to spend more with them?
>>  
>> http://www.aquasignal.com.au/aftermarket-led-replacement-bulbs/
>>  
>> 
>> 
> 
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[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Jim;

 

Dennis is right in pointing out that you can use any light you chose on your 
boat – so long as it meets the INTERNATIONAL requirements for color, arc, and 
visibility that are encompassed in the COLREGS and the CFR that he referenced. 
Now if you ARE using a candle in a Pringles can, you might have a problem after 
a collision … and it seems pretty likely that you will get to know more than 
your share of Coasties. But if you use good quality bulbs from reputable 
sources, you won’t have a problem.

 

That said, Aquasignal is, strictly speaking, correct when they say that their 
fixtures are no longer “certified” if you use someone else’s bulbs. But that’s 
a big whoop and totally irrelevant to an individual boater. 

 

The performance, testing, and labeling requirements for certification are 
spelled out in 33CFR, Chapter 1, Subchapter S, Part 183, Subpart M. Among other 
things, the regulations contain the following passage:

§ 183.801 Applicability.

This subpart applies to recreational  
<https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840=800=true_id=f35484dfcb0c265deca1ef21656e7496_occur=1_src=Title:33:Chapter:I:Subchapter:S:Part:183:Subpart:M:183.801>
 vessel manufacturers, distributors, and  
<https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840=800=true_id=5256fe34d71d8f3898c91294b214c70f_occur=1_src=Title:33:Chapter:I:Subchapter:S:Part:183:Subpart:M:183.801>
 dealers installing such equipment in new recreational  
<https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840=800=true_id=f35484dfcb0c265deca1ef21656e7496_occur=2_src=Title:33:Chapter:I:Subchapter:S:Part:183:Subpart:M:183.801>
 vessels constructed after November 1, 2002. 

So unless you are building recreational boats for sale in the US (lights for 
commercial vessels are covered by a different CFR) the requirement for 
certified lights does not apply to you.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 5:18 PM
To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

 

Jim,

 

I spent 30 years in the regulatory field.  There's always some fine points to 
compliance.  There's differences between regulation, enforcement policy, 
equipment certifications, etc.  There is the occasional Coastie that will try 
to jam an enforcement policy up your nose but in the end, the regulations are 
what rule.

 

AquaSignal has gotten their light fixtures, with bulbs, "certified" to USCG 
standards.  Aquasignal gets their fixtures "certified" to assure their 
customers that the fixture meets the regulatory requirements for color, arc, 
visibility distance, etc.  Whoopee.  

 

Now, consider the actual regulations that apply to your boat.  Federal light 
requirements for vessels can be found in 33 CFR 83.20-31.  This regulation 
states the colors, arcs, and visibility distances for vessels.

 

I think that is the regulation that applies.  I don't think it says anywhere 
that you have to use a "certified" fixture only that the light meet the 
requirements for color, arc, visibility distance, etc.  If you change the bulb 
in a "certified" fixture, it may no longer be "certified" but may well meet the 
regulation and your boat will be in compliance.

 

So, in my opinion, you can use a candle in a Pringles can as long as it meets 
the requirements for color, arc, visibility distance, etc.  I wouldn't expect a 
Coastie to argue with you if your lights look anywhere close to bright and are 
the correct color and arc.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I agree about Marinebeam, I have used them for other lights on my boat, always 
with good results.  

 

Aqua Signal throws up a lot of smoke and noise about losing certifications by 
replacing the bulbs in their fixtures, is this a real concern or just them 
trying to get me to spend more with them?

 

http://www.aquasignal.com.au/aftermarket-led-replacement-bulbs/

 

 

 

 

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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Jim,

I spent 30 years in the regulatory field.  There's always some fine points
to compliance.  There's differences between regulation, enforcement policy,
equipment certifications, etc.  There is the occasional Coastie that will
try to jam an enforcement policy up your nose but in the end, the
regulations are what rule.

AquaSignal has gotten their light fixtures, with bulbs, "certified" to USCG
standards.  Aquasignal gets their fixtures "certified" to assure their
customers that the fixture meets the regulatory requirements for color,
arc, visibility distance, etc.  Whoopee.

Now, consider the actual regulations that apply to your boat.  Federal
light requirements for vessels can be found in 33 CFR 83.20-31.  This
regulation states the colors, arcs, and visibility distances for vessels.

I think that is the regulation that applies.  I don't think it says
anywhere that you have to use a "certified" fixture only that the light
meet the requirements for color, arc, visibility distance, etc.  If you
change the bulb in a "certified" fixture, it may no longer be "certified"
but may well meet the regulation and your boat will be in compliance.

So, in my opinion, you can use a candle in a Pringles can as long as it
meets the requirements for color, arc, visibility distance, etc.  I
wouldn't expect a Coastie to argue with you if your lights look anywhere
close to bright and are the correct color and arc.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I agree about Marinebeam, I have used them for other lights on my boat,
> always with good results.
>
> Aqua Signal throws up a lot of smoke and noise about losing certifications
> by replacing the bulbs in their fixtures, is this a real concern or just
> them trying to get me to spend more with them?
>
> http://www.aquasignal.com.au/aftermarket-led-replacement-bulbs/
>
>
>
>
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[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

I agree about Marinebeam, I have used them for other lights on my boat, always 
with good results.  
 
Aqua Signal throws up a lot of smoke and noise about losing certifications by 
replacing the bulbs in their fixtures, is this a real concern or just them 
trying to get me to spend more with them?
 
http://www.aquasignal.com.au/aftermarket-led-replacement-bulbs/
 
Interested in opinions, my bow lights are the last incandescent bulbs left on 
Firewater now.
 
Thanks,
 
Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 "Firewater"
Milwaukee, WI 
 
- Original Message - Subject: Re: Stus-List changing stern 
light & converting nav lights to LEDs?
From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: 8/11/17 8:21 am
To: "CnClist" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>

 Bruce,  
Go to http://store.marinebeam.com/replacement-bulbs/.  If you can't identify 
it, call them.  They are helpful.
 
Many of us on the list have had great results with their lights and bulbs.  I 
think they are superior.
 
Nearly every LED on Touche' plus several fixtures are from marinebeam.  
 
Very satisfied customer.
 
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandevile, LA

 On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
First to Richard, who started this thread:  
 
First, identify the light.  On our 1994 C 37/40+, ours lights are Aqua Signal 
41 series lights.  1 screw at the bottom will remove the lens.  As for the 
bulb, in these, they are specifically Aqua Signal brand labled, and are 25 watt 
incandescent bulbs on the bow lights and 10 watt on the stern. 
 
The base is 1/2 across, but the pins are offset, one higher than another.  I 
don't know if this is an Aqua Signal brand thing going on, or if this is a 
standard base for a similar automotive bulb number - does anyone know?
 
I'd like to convert our lights to LED, as 60 watts of total power for nav 
lights is 5 amps, and with LEDs, I should be able to drop that to 1 amp or less 
- that in my mind is a huge difference for cruising overnight.  
 
Does anyone know the proper LEDs for accomplishing this, and at a reasonable 
price?  Yes, I understand if I put a bulb in that isn't specifically designed 
for the light I may be deviating from the MFR requirements and thus maybe 
causing an issue if there were to be an accident.  Still, it's better than 
running down a battery in my opinion.
 
One other note - From everything I have read, red LED replacements should be 
placed behind red lenses and green behind green lenses (rather than using white 
bulbs).  This is because the colored LEDs produce light that is close to the 
same wavelength as the lenses, so the filter very little of the light.  
 
Guidance anyone?  
 
Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
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 To: Richard Walter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
 Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:20 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List changing stern light
 

   
Consider mooring stern in, if possible, and work from the dock.
 
Marek
 
Sent from  Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Richard Walter via CnC-List
 Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 20:35
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Richard Walter
 Subject: Stus-List changing stern light

 


Ahoy!   
Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the bulb for an OEM 
1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping the bulb while we're in the water? 
I'm thinking of taping the frame, etc. to the transom to try to minimize 
dropping pieces overboard. 3) wait till the boat's on the hard? 
 
Thanks, 
Richard Walter 
s/v INDIGO 




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Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

The single filament bulb is an 1156.  Be advised that most automotive versions 
of this bulb are not “marinized”, meaning they can have mild steel components 
and will rust and corrode especially in a salt water environment. 

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic 

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

 

It is an 1157 auto bulb.

 

If the socket is corroded you can buy a new socket.  You don't have to buy a 
whole new light.

 

Joel

 


 
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On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Bruce,

 

Go to http://store.marinebeam.com/replacement-bulbs/.  If you can't identify 
it, call them.  They are helpful.

 

Many of us on the list have had great results with their lights and bulbs.  I 
think they are superior.

 

Nearly every LED on Touche' plus several fixtures are from marinebeam.  

 

Very satisfied customer.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandevile, LA

 

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

First to Richard, who started this thread:  

 

First, identify the light.  On our 1994 C 37/40+, ours lights are Aqua Signal 
41 series lights.  1 screw at the bottom will remove the lens.  As for the 
bulb, in these, they are specifically Aqua Signal brand labled, and are 25 watt 
incandescent bulbs on the bow lights and 10 watt on the stern. 

 

The base is 1/2 across, but the pins are offset, one higher than another.  I 
don't know if this is an Aqua Signal brand thing going on, or if this is a 
standard base for a similar automotive bulb number - does anyone know?

 

I'd like to convert our lights to LED, as 60 watts of total power for nav 
lights is 5 amps, and with LEDs, I should be able to drop that to 1 amp or less 
- that in my mind is a huge difference for cruising overnight.  

 

Does anyone know the proper LEDs for accomplishing this, and at a reasonable 
price?  Yes, I understand if I put a bulb in that isn't specifically designed 
for the light I may be deviating from the MFR requirements and thus maybe 
causing an issue if there were to be an accident.  Still, it's better than 
running down a battery in my opinion.

 

One other note - From everything I have read, red LED replacements should be 
placed behind red lenses and green behind green lenses (rather than using white 
bulbs).  This is because the colored LEDs produce light that is close to the 
same wavelength as the lenses, so the filter very little of the light.  

 

Guidance anyone?  

 

Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 <tel:(847)%20404-5092>  (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net <mailto:bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net> 

 


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To: Richard Walter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com <mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com> >
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List changing stern light

 

Consider mooring stern in, if possible, and work from the dock.

 

Marek

 

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From: Richard Walter via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 20:35
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Richard Walter <mailto:sailind...@yahoo.com> 
Subject: Stus-List changing stern light

 

Ahoy!  

 

Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the bulb for an OEM 
1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping the bulb while we're in the water? 
I'm thinking of taping the frame, etc. to the transom to try to minimize 
dropping pieces overboard. 3) wait till the boat's on the hard? 

 

Thanks, 

Richard Walter 

s/v INDIGO 

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[james via CnC-List]

Rick,

My Nav lights were changed to AquaSignal mounted on the Pushpit and 
Pulpit. The original locations were glassed over.


James

Delaney

1976 C 38

Oriental, NC



On 8/11/2017 12:35 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:


Interesting, James. Our boats are only about 40 apart in HIN, but my 
stern light uses a festoon bulb instead of a bayonet mount.


Rick Brass

ImzadiC 38 mk2 #47

la Belle AuroreC 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

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*james via CnC-List

*Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 9:15 PM
*To:* Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Cc:* james <jtsai...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List changing stern light

If you have the same stern light that I have, look at this link 
http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-8dhjm4ne/products/152/images/949/Eyeball3__60776.1445526326.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 
for a LED replacement.


James Taylor

Delaney

C 38, 1976

Oriental, NC

On 8/10/2017 8:42 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Clueless as to the bulb.

Tape a box under the fixture.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Richard Walter via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Ahoy!

Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the
bulb for an OEM 1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping
the bulb while we're in the water? I'm thinking of taping the
frame, etc. to the transom to try to minimize dropping pieces
overboard. 3) wait till the boat's on the hard?

Thanks,

Richard Walter

s/v INDIGO


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Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

[BillBinaList via CnC-List]

Isn't 1157 a combination brake and tail light with two filaments and two 
contacts? I would check for a number on the existing bulb. My Anchor 
light uses a bulb that looks just like an 1157, but just one filament 
and one contact.


Bill Bina

On 8/11/2017 11:59 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:

It is an 1157 auto bulb.

If the socket is corroded you can buy a new socket.  You don't have to 
buy a whole new light.


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On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Bruce,

Go to http://store.marinebeam.com/replacement-bulbs/
. If you can't
identify it, call them.  They are helpful.

Many of us on the list have had great results with their lights
and bulbs.  I think they are superior.

Nearly every LED on Touche' plus several fixtures are from
marinebeam.

Very satisfied customer.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandevile, LA



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[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Interesting, James. Our boats are only about 40 apart in HIN, but my stern 
light uses a festoon bulb instead of a bayonet mount.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 9:15 PM
To: Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: james <jtsai...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List changing stern light

 

If you have the same stern light that I have, look at this link 
http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-8dhjm4ne/products/152/images/949/Eyeball3__60776.1445526326.1280.1280.jpg?c=2
 for a LED replacement.

James Taylor

Delaney

C 38, 1976

Oriental, NC

 

 

On 8/10/2017 8:42 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Clueless as to the bulb. 

 

Tape a box under the fixture.

 

Dennis C.

 

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Richard Walter via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Ahoy!  

 

Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the bulb for an OEM 
1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping the bulb while we're in the water? 
I'm thinking of taping the frame, etc. to the transom to try to minimize 
dropping pieces overboard. 3) wait till the boat's on the hard? 

 

Thanks, 

Richard Walter 

s/v INDIGO 


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[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

It is an 1157 auto bulb.

If the socket is corroded you can buy a new socket.  You don't have to buy
a whole new light.

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On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bruce,
>
> Go to http://store.marinebeam.com/replacement-bulbs/.  If you can't
> identify it, call them.  They are helpful.
>
> Many of us on the list have had great results with their lights and
> bulbs.  I think they are superior.
>
> Nearly every LED on Touche' plus several fixtures are from marinebeam.
>
> Very satisfied customer.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandevile, LA
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> First to Richard, who started this thread:
>>
>> First, identify the light.  On our 1994 C 37/40+, ours lights are Aqua
>> Signal 41 series lights.  1 screw at the bottom will remove the lens.  As
>> for the bulb, in these, they are specifically Aqua Signal brand labled, and
>> are 25 watt incandescent bulbs on the bow lights and 10 watt on the stern.
>>
>> The base is 1/2 across, but the pins are offset, one higher than
>> another.  I don't know if this is an Aqua Signal brand thing going on, or
>> if this is a standard base for a similar automotive bulb number - does
>> anyone know?
>>
>> I'd like to convert our lights to LED, as 60 watts of total power for nav
>> lights is 5 amps, and with LEDs, I should be able to drop that to 1 amp or
>> less - that in my mind is a huge difference for cruising overnight.
>>
>> Does anyone know the proper LEDs for accomplishing this, and at a
>> reasonable price?  Yes, I understand if I put a bulb in that isn't
>> specifically designed for the light I may be deviating from the MFR
>> requirements and thus maybe causing an issue if there were to be an
>> accident.  Still, it's better than running down a battery in my opinion.
>>
>> One other note - From everything I have read, red LED replacements should
>> be placed behind red lenses and green behind green lenses (rather than
>> using white bulbs).  This is because the colored LEDs produce light that is
>> close to the same wavelength as the lenses, so the filter very little of
>> the light.
>>
>> Guidance anyone?
>>
>> Bruce Whitmore
>>
>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> *To:* Richard Walter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> *Cc:* Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:20 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List changing stern light
>>
>> Consider mooring stern in, if possible, and work from the dock.
>>
>> Marek
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>> *From: *Richard Walter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 10, 2017 20:35
>> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc: *Richard Walter <sailind...@yahoo.com>
>> *Subject: *Stus-List changing stern light
>>
>> Ahoy!
>>
>> Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the bulb for an
>> OEM 1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping the bulb while we're in the
>> water? I'm thinking of taping the frame, etc. to the transom to try to
>> minimize dropping pieces overboard. 3) wait till the boat's on the hard?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Richard Walter
>> s/v INDIGO
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>> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
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Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Bruce,

Go to http://store.marinebeam.com/replacement-bulbs/.  If you can't
identify it, call them.  They are helpful.

Many of us on the list have had great results with their lights and bulbs.
I think they are superior.

Nearly every LED on Touche' plus several fixtures are from marinebeam.

Very satisfied customer.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandevile, LA

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> First to Richard, who started this thread:
>
> First, identify the light.  On our 1994 C 37/40+, ours lights are Aqua
> Signal 41 series lights.  1 screw at the bottom will remove the lens.  As
> for the bulb, in these, they are specifically Aqua Signal brand labled, and
> are 25 watt incandescent bulbs on the bow lights and 10 watt on the stern.
>
> The base is 1/2 across, but the pins are offset, one higher than another.
> I don't know if this is an Aqua Signal brand thing going on, or if this is
> a standard base for a similar automotive bulb number - does anyone know?
>
> I'd like to convert our lights to LED, as 60 watts of total power for nav
> lights is 5 amps, and with LEDs, I should be able to drop that to 1 amp or
> less - that in my mind is a huge difference for cruising overnight.
>
> Does anyone know the proper LEDs for accomplishing this, and at a
> reasonable price?  Yes, I understand if I put a bulb in that isn't
> specifically designed for the light I may be deviating from the MFR
> requirements and thus maybe causing an issue if there were to be an
> accident.  Still, it's better than running down a battery in my opinion.
>
> One other note - From everything I have read, red LED replacements should
> be placed behind red lenses and green behind green lenses (rather than
> using white bulbs).  This is because the colored LEDs produce light that is
> close to the same wavelength as the lenses, so the filter very little of
> the light.
>
> Guidance anyone?
>
> Bruce Whitmore
>
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
> --
> *From:* Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *To:* Richard Walter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Cc:* Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List changing stern light
>
> Consider mooring stern in, if possible, and work from the dock.
>
> Marek
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Richard Walter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 10, 2017 20:35
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc: *Richard Walter <sailind...@yahoo.com>
> *Subject: *Stus-List changing stern light
>
> Ahoy!
>
> Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the bulb for an
> OEM 1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping the bulb while we're in the
> water? I'm thinking of taping the frame, etc. to the transom to try to
> minimize dropping pieces overboard. 3) wait till the boat's on the hard?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard Walter
> s/v INDIGO
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Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Marine Beam make an LED specifically for this purpose.  They make a Green,
a Red and a Cool White.  I fitted these some time ago and they work as
advertised and are quite bright.  I did have to slightly trim the inside
edge of the plastic insert in the socket to get them to fit in properly.  A
couple minutes with a small sharp knife was all it took, and only with the
Red & Green, the White went in with no issues.

http://store.marinebeam.com/bay15d-replacement-led-bulb-
for-aqua-signal-series-40-50-55/

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia


On 11 August 2017 at 10:21, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> First to Richard, who started this thread:
>
> First, identify the light.  On our 1994 C 37/40+, ours lights are Aqua
> Signal 41 series lights.  1 screw at the bottom will remove the lens.  As
> for the bulb, in these, they are specifically Aqua Signal brand labled, and
> are 25 watt incandescent bulbs on the bow lights and 10 watt on the stern.
>
> The base is 1/2 across, but the pins are offset, one higher than another.
> I don't know if this is an Aqua Signal brand thing going on, or if this is
> a standard base for a similar automotive bulb number - does anyone know?
>
> I'd like to convert our lights to LED, as 60 watts of total power for nav
> lights is 5 amps, and with LEDs, I should be able to drop that to 1 amp or
> less - that in my mind is a huge difference for cruising overnight.
>
> Does anyone know the proper LEDs for accomplishing this, and at a
> reasonable price?  Yes, I understand if I put a bulb in that isn't
> specifically designed for the light I may be deviating from the MFR
> requirements and thus maybe causing an issue if there were to be an
> accident.  Still, it's better than running down a battery in my opinion.
>
> One other note - From everything I have read, red LED replacements should
> be placed behind red lenses and green behind green lenses (rather than
> using white bulbs).  This is because the colored LEDs produce light that is
> close to the same wavelength as the lenses, so the filter very little of
> the light.
>
> Guidance anyone?
>
> Bruce Whitmore
>
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
> --
> *From:* Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *To:* Richard Walter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Cc:* Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List changing stern light
>
> Consider mooring stern in, if possible, and work from the dock.
>
> Marek
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Richard Walter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 10, 2017 20:35
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc: *Richard Walter <sailind...@yahoo.com>
> *Subject: *Stus-List changing stern light
>
> Ahoy!
>
> Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the bulb for an
> OEM 1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping the bulb while we're in the
> water? I'm thinking of taping the frame, etc. to the transom to try to
> minimize dropping pieces overboard. 3) wait till the boat's on the hard?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard Walter
> s/v INDIGO
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>
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Re: Stus-List changing stern light & converting nav lights to LEDs?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

First to Richard, who started this thread:  

First, identify the light.  On our 1994 C 37/40+, ours lights are Aqua Signal 
41 series lights.  1 screw at the bottom will remove the lens.  As for the 
bulb, in these, they are specifically Aqua Signal brand labled, and are 25 watt 
incandescent bulbs on the bow lights and 10 watt on the stern. 

The base is 1/2 across, but the pins are offset, one higher than another.  I 
don't know if this is an Aqua Signal brand thing going on, or if this is a 
standard base for a similar automotive bulb number - does anyone know?
I'd like to convert our lights to LED, as 60 watts of total power for nav 
lights is 5 amps, and with LEDs, I should be able to drop that to 1 amp or less 
- that in my mind is a huge difference for cruising overnight.  

Does anyone know the proper LEDs for accomplishing this, and at a reasonable 
price?  Yes, I understand if I put a bulb in that isn't specifically designed 
for the light I may be deviating from the MFR requirements and thus maybe 
causing an issue if there were to be an accident.  Still, it's better than 
running down a battery in my opinion.
 
One other note - From everything I have read, red LED replacements should be 
placed behind red lenses and green behind green lenses (rather than using white 
bulbs).  This is because the colored LEDs produce light that is close to the 
same wavelength as the lenses, so the filter very little of the light.  

Guidance anyone?   Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


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Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 20:35
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Walter
Subject: Stus-List changing stern light   Ahoy! 
Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the bulb for an OEM 
1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping the bulb while we're in the water? 
I'm thinking of taping the frame, etc. to the transom to try to minimize 
dropping pieces overboard. 3) wait till the boat's on the hard? 
Thanks, Richard Walter s/v INDIGO 
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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Consider mooring stern in, if possible, and work from the dock.

Marek

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Richard Walter via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 20:35
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Richard Walter<mailto:sailind...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Stus-List changing stern light

Ahoy!

Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the bulb for an OEM 
1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping the bulb while we're in the water? 
I'm thinking of taping the frame, etc. to the transom to try to minimize 
dropping pieces overboard. 3) wait till the boat's on the hard?

Thanks,
Richard Walter
s/v INDIGO
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Re: Stus-List changing stern light

[John McKay via CnC-List]

I replaced all of my navigation lights with LED's this year. I was able to find 
units that fit the plates on the pulpits. I recall they were about 20 $$ each. 
Much brighter.which reminds me I have to come up with a shield for the 
stern light because it is so bright, you look astern and the night vision is 
gone.
John on EnterpriseC 33 MK IIKomoka Ontario 

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 9:15 PM, james via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

  If you have the same stern light that I have, look at this 
linkhttp://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-8dhjm4ne/products/152/images/949/Eyeball3__60776.1445526326.1280.1280.jpg?c=2
 for a LED replacement. James Taylor Delaney C 38, 1976 Oriental, NC 
  
 On 8/10/2017 8:42 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
  
 Clueless as to the bulb. 
  Tape a box under the fixture. 
  Dennis C.  
 On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Richard Walter via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
Ahoy!  
  Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the bulb for an OEM 
1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping the bulb while we're in the water? 
I'm thinking of taping the frame, etc. to the transom to try to minimize 
dropping pieces overboard. 3) wait till the boat's on the hard?  
  Thanks,  Richard Walter  s/v INDIGO  
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Re: Stus-List changing stern light

[james via CnC-List]

If you have the same stern light that I have, look at this link 
http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-8dhjm4ne/products/152/images/949/Eyeball3__60776.1445526326.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 
for a LED replacement.


James Taylor

Delaney

C 38, 1976

Oriental, NC



On 8/10/2017 8:42 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Clueless as to the bulb.

Tape a box under the fixture.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Richard Walter via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Ahoy!

Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the bulb
for an OEM 1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping the bulb
while we're in the water? I'm thinking of taping the frame, etc.
to the transom to try to minimize dropping pieces overboard. 3)
wait till the boat's on the hard?

Thanks,
Richard Walter
s/v INDIGO

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Re: Stus-List changing stern light

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Clueless as to the bulb.

Tape a box under the fixture.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Richard Walter via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ahoy!
>
> Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the bulb for an
> OEM 1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping the bulb while we're in the
> water? I'm thinking of taping the frame, etc. to the transom to try to
> minimize dropping pieces overboard. 3) wait till the boat's on the hard?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard Walter
> s/v INDIGO
>
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Ahoy! 
Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the bulb for an OEM 
1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping the bulb while we're in the water? 
I'm thinking of taping the frame, etc. to the transom to try to minimize 
dropping pieces overboard. 3) wait till the boat's on the hard? 
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