Re: [CGUYS] Zunepocalypse

2009-01-09 Thread Chris Dunford
 Previously you tried to sell the idea that because it was 
 not possible to test _everything_ then it was okay to be 
 slovenly and not conduct diligent testing and quality control.

Did not say anything remotely like that.

 Now you want to sell the idea that because it was not 
 reasonable to make a comsumer product failsafe it is okay 
 to be slovenly and not conduct diligent testing and quality 
 control.

Or that.


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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

2009-01-09 Thread Chris Dunford
 I don't understand why they are serving activation keys for
 Windows 7 beta if they are completely unnecessary.  Is
 there some kind of grace period before you need to enter in
 the key, or are the keys solely for the purpose of testing an
 inoperative activation system?  Google was not my friend
 here.

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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

2009-01-09 Thread Chris Dunford
 Are you saying that because Tom made a wild comparison,
 its fine if you do it?  Didn't your momma ever tell you that just
 because somebody else does it, doesn't mean that it's OK
 for you to do it?  :))

Nah. I was just amused at my comparison being called a stretch while no one
said anything about Tom's. :)

But I don't think mine was really far off the mark anyway. In both cases the
issue was a server problem, unrelated to any problems in the products
themselves. Tom was trying to make this into a problem with Windows 7, which
it clearly is not.
 
 Turning a little more serious again, while Tom may just possibly
 be a wee bit extreme in comparing the Zune Dec 31 problem to
 a crashing jumbo jet, one of the articles I read reported on a DJ
 who uses his Zune for his engagements and lost the use of it on
 what was quite possibly his biggest gig of the year.  It's not quite
 a jumbo jet crashing, but it certainly was a major PITA for some
 people.

Agreed. It was not a good thing. I just don't think it was prima facie
evidence of MS's utter incompetence, as Tom would have it. Stuff happens,
and has happened to Apple as well, no matter what you do. You try to avoid
it, but you don't always succeed. When MS fails, it's evidence that MS is a
bunch of idiots; when Apple fails, well, it isn't.


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Re: [CGUYS] Sysfading

2009-01-09 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Marcio V. Pinheiro wefp...@terra.com.brwrote:

 What is this that creeps showing in my computer sayuing that Sysfading can
 not close?...
 Something new...


There is a long discussion here

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=24363highlight=SySFader

That discussion seems to end with it being an nvidia graphics card driver
issue but it goes on for seven pages with several other things that sound
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Re: [CGUYS] Memory

2009-01-09 Thread Jordan

Thanks for the input.
Only Crucial did not have the PC2-4200. The others did. If Stewart's 
perspective is accurate, maybe Crucial moves out older, slower memory 
faster.
I can remember when Crucial's prices were higher than others, but I 
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Re: [CGUYS] Memory

2009-01-09 Thread Richard P.
Crucial guarantees their memory selections to work in your computer
which takes the worry out of the whole process.

Richard P.


 Only Crucial did not have the PC2-4200. The others did. If Stewart's
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Re: [CGUYS] Memory

2009-01-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Check out Newegg they do have some.

Stewart


At 08:38 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote:

Thanks for the input.
Only Crucial did not have the PC2-4200. The others did. If Stewart's 
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Re: [CGUYS] Memory

2009-01-09 Thread Jordan
I'm sure Newegg is good too. I usually get computer stuff from OWC, but 
I purchased from Crucial this time.
I've never had any trouble finding the right memory, and never had a 
problem with what I got. But I've only managed about 10 computers in the 
last few years, almost all Macs, so my experience is very limited.


Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

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Re: [CGUYS] Zunepocalypse II [Was: Zunepocalypse]

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13526_3-10137684-27.html
We'd Do Zune Differently

Robbie Bach, the guy who heads the division at MS that did the Zune, 
seems to be saying that, in hindsight, MS should never have gotten into 
the business of manufacturing their own player. Perhaps in the future MS 
will be opening the Zune store and infrastructure to third parties and 
stop manufactuing hardware themselves?

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Re: [CGUYS] DRM

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
Except that, as I recall it, the thread had *nothing* what so ever to
do with Microsoft, Zunes, or MSs business practices. . .until you stuck
it in there. You just can't help yourself, can you?

I see, MS should only be spoken about in reverential tones. Maybe they 
should rename the company YHWH?

This thread is about DRM and how Apple would handle their DRM transition. 
You will have to explain to us your objection to making a comparison with 
how others have handled such a transition. The only comparable I could 
think of was Plays for Sure. If you have other comparables, go ahead and 
provide them.

Of course I don't expect you will want to contribute to any proper 
discussion of DRM. All you want to do is flame anyone who mentions MS and 
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Re: [CGUYS] Zunepocalypse II [Was: Zunepocalypse]

2009-01-09 Thread mike
When did they start manufacturing it? I know at least the first gen was a
Toshiba.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 http://news.cnet.com/8301-13526_3-10137684-27.html
 We'd Do Zune Differently

 Robbie Bach, the guy who heads the division at MS that did the Zune,
 seems to be saying that, in hindsight, MS should never have gotten into
 the business of manufacturing their own player. Perhaps in the future MS
 will be opening the Zune store and infrastructure to third parties and
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Re: [CGUYS] DRM

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
So what happens when we crank up the word size to 24 bits,
increase the sampling frequency to 96 kHz, and send the PCM
signal to a high end DAC?  Assuming an excellent recording
(and even with this technology it's possible to screw the pooch
on the engineering and mastering), we get a MUCH better
result.  HD audio, in fact.  Yes the file sizes are big, but not
that different from normal WAV files.  And they work with
WMP and a decent DAC, so are more accessible than a
SACD device (and cheaper, too).

The marketing strategy is to dribble out new technology as slowly as 
possible. After a sufficient number of MPs have been sold, we will see an 
aggressive marketing campaign to convince us that all our MS3s are crap 
and we have to go out and repurchase all our music in the new HD format.


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Re: [CGUYS] DRM

2009-01-09 Thread mike
Plays for sure and the Zune marketplace weren't anything close to what Apple
is doing, except that they both involved mp3's.  Apple isn't abandoning
customers/clients who backed plays for sure and Apple isn't completely
reworking it's online media stragedy.  They are offering DRM-less mp3's
because they had to.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 Except that, as I recall it, the thread had *nothing* what so ever to
 do with Microsoft, Zunes, or MSs business practices. . .until you stuck
 it in there. You just can't help yourself, can you?

 I see, MS should only be spoken about in reverential tones. Maybe they
 should rename the company YHWH?

 This thread is about DRM and how Apple would handle their DRM transition.
 You will have to explain to us your objection to making a comparison with
 how others have handled such a transition. The only comparable I could
 think of was Plays for Sure. If you have other comparables, go ahead and
 provide them.

 Of course I don't expect you will want to contribute to any proper
 discussion of DRM. All you want to do is flame anyone who mentions MS and
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
Turning a little more serious again, while Tom may just possibly
be a wee bit extreme in comparing the Zune Dec 31 problem to
a crashing jumbo jet, one of the articles I read reported on a DJ
who uses his Zune for his engagements and lost the use of it on
what was quite possibly his biggest gig of the year.  It's not quite
a jumbo jet crashing, but it certainly was a major PITA for some
people.

This is a good demonstration of the consequences of slovenly 
manufacturing. 

The DJ will probably figure out that he can buy an iPod for just a 
fraction of the dough he lost on that gig. If he is not a WFB he will 
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Re: [CGUYS] Zunepocalypse II [Was: Zunepocalypse]

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
When did they start manufacturing it? I know at least the first gen was a
Toshiba.

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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

2009-01-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

This is where I think Creative shines actually.

I have a few of the Creative MP3 players and have been very satisfied 
with them.


We have never looked at Ipods, but like our Creative MP3 players very much.

(I think we have 4-5 different ones in the house.)

Stewart

At 10:23 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote:

This is a good demonstration of the consequences of slovenly
manufacturing.

The DJ will probably figure out that he can buy an iPod for just a
fraction of the dough he lost on that gig. If he is not a WFB he will
never use that Zune again.


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Re: [CGUYS] DRM

2009-01-09 Thread katan
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:06:25 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote:

Except that, as I recall it, the thread had *nothing* what so ever to
do with Microsoft, Zunes, or MSs business practices. . .until you stuck
it in there. You just can't help yourself, can you?

I see, MS should only be spoken about in reverential tones. Maybe they 
should rename the company YHWH?

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Re: [CGUYS] Memory

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
Crucial guarantees their memory selections to work in your computer
which takes the worry out of the whole process.

Just about everybody does.

When DataMem once sold me the wrong memory for a printer they very 
quickly and diligently researched the correct type, FedExed the right 
memory to me, and sent me a check for the difference in price.

BTW, getting info on printer memory can be tricky because printer 
manufacturers often try to keep the details a secret. They want to sell 
their special memory at very high prices, like 10 times what DataMem 
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Re: [CGUYS] Hackintosh (Was Re: [CGUYS] P3 450)

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
He seems to have put together a system that works. Sound and all. The
only problem he's reporting is that you have to have the install DVD in
the drive in order to boot up.

I call your attention to our previous $199 Macs and $99 iPhones thread. 
The company provides a new BIOS that will run Windows on some very 
inexpensive PCs.


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Re: [CGUYS] DRM

2009-01-09 Thread John Settle

mike wrote:

They are offering DRM-less mp3's
because they had to.

  

Mike,

I would at least give Apple the credit that DRM was a requirement of the 
partnership with the music industry that gave the iTunes store access to 
the music catalogs needed to make the venture viable way back when, 
2001? Now after years of  labels slowly coming round, huge amounts of 
catalog are available now without DRM. It just was never solely at 
Apples discretion whether to have DRM or not. Sure, Apple could have 
insisted on no DRM from the get go; but they would have had no where 
near the breath of content offering and the iPod/iTunes revolution would 
have be quite different.


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Re: [CGUYS] Zunepocalypse II [Was: Zunepocalypse]

2009-01-09 Thread mike
http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/25/fcc-reveals-toshiba-1089-and-its-looking-a-whole-lot-like-a/

FCC says Toshiba.  MS may have had more to do with it after the first gen,
but then the first gen is what we are talking about.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 When did they start manufacturing it? I know at least the first gen was a
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Re: [CGUYS] DRM

2009-01-09 Thread mike
It could be argued it is now in Apple's interest to keep DRM.  No DRM means
you don't need an ipod to play the music you buy from Apple, and Apple isn't
making money off the music that's for sure.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:15 AM, John Settle john_j_set...@yahoo.comwrote:

 mike wrote:

 They are offering DRM-less mp3's
 because they had to.



 Mike,

 I would at least give Apple the credit that DRM was a requirement of the
 partnership with the music industry that gave the iTunes store access to the
 music catalogs needed to make the venture viable way back when, 2001? Now
 after years of  labels slowly coming round, huge amounts of catalog are
 available now without DRM. It just was never solely at Apples discretion
 whether to have DRM or not. Sure, Apple could have insisted on no DRM from
 the get go; but they would have had no where near the breath of content
 offering and the iPod/iTunes revolution would have be quite different.

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[CGUYS] Siemens S46 Cellphone

2009-01-09 Thread Richard P.
I bought 2 Siemens S46 Cellphones from ATT just before the Cingular
merger which unfortunately rendered the cellphones incompatible with
the new Cingular/ATT network. We ended up having to buy new Nokia
phones for the remainder of our contract. I still have the Siemens and
wondered if I can use these in any way? I tried swapping the sim cards
from my Nokia's but that brought up an error message. I would like to
be able to use them with ATT but ATT says they can't help us make
them work.

Can I get the Siemens S46 phones to work with ATT (or other
provider), or on a pay-as-you-go plans? They are GSM/GPRS, and TDMA
compatible.

http://reviews.cnet.com/Siemens_S46/4505-6454_7-20650345.html

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [CGUYS] DRM

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
It could be argued it is now in Apple's interest to keep DRM.  No DRM means
you don't need an ipod to play the music you buy from Apple, and Apple isn't
making money off the music that's for sure.

Anything can be argued (as has already been proven here), but one would 
have to be quite clueless to do so.

Apple has battled against DRM since day 1 and they sure do make money 
selling iTunes. Under like some other vendors, Apple does not rely on 
coercion to make its sales. It never has and I think it never will.


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Re: [CGUYS] Zunepocalypse II [Was: Zunepocalypse]

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/25/fcc-reveals-toshiba-1089-and-its-lookin
g-a-whole-lot-like-a/

FCC says Toshiba.  MS may have had more to do with it after the first gen,
but then the first gen is what we are talking about.

Using your twisted logic, the iPod is made by Hon Hai Precision Industry 
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Re: [CGUYS] Sysfading

2009-01-09 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
My, what a coincidence. This happened after I 
used a paid for driver update program
that gave me the new driver for my SIS 5598/6326. 
First my desktop went light brown
then I corrected this. Now the collors are a 
little different from the original windows XP
and, worse, my IE is moving quite slowly. When I 
shut doen the computer there is

the Sysfading can´t close...

Welll, where do I go from here?...

Many thanks

Marcio


At 02:26 PM 1/9/2009, RLeeSimon wrote:

Hey yoyo ...just a sideways addition to this ...I went online right after I
got my low high speed internet (prev dialup yeech!) and was thrilled to see
I could dld the huge nvidia driver update for my winxpsp3home computer to
see what would be improved ...it bricked my box and had2 be taken off in
safe mode (happily it still booted from winxphome cd and I was able to do
it) ...whew!!  I thought I was a gonner!!  Wachit...lots of those driver
updates are produced by bloatware gorillas with no sense at all ...update of
drivers seems, now, to be risky business!!

-Original Message-
From: John Duncan Yoyo [mailto:johnduncany...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Sysfading


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Marcio V. Pinheiro
wefp...@terra.com.brwrote:

 What is this that creeps showing in my computer sayuing that Sysfading
 can not close?... Something new...


There is a long discussion here

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=24363highlight=SySFader

That discussion seems to end with it being an nvidia graphics card driver
issue but it goes on for seven pages with several other things that sound
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Re: [CGUYS] Sysfading

2009-01-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Do a roll back or un-install the last package.

Do not use paid sites for updates.  Updates 
should be available from the manufacturers for free.


Stewart




At 01:19 PM 1/9/2009, you wrote:
My, what a coincidence. This happened after I 
used a paid for driver update program
that gave me the new driver for my SIS 
5598/6326. First my desktop went light brown
then I corrected this. Now the collors are a 
little different from the original windows XP
and, worse, my IE is moving quite slowly. When I 
shut doen the computer there is

the Sysfading can´t close...

Welll, where do I go from here?...

Many thanks

Marcio


At 02:26 PM 1/9/2009, RLeeSimon wrote:

Hey yoyo ...just a sideways addition to this ...I went online right after I
got my low high speed internet (prev dialup yeech!) and was thrilled to see
I could dld the huge nvidia driver update for my winxpsp3home computer to
see what would be improved ...it bricked my box and had2 be taken off in
safe mode (happily it still booted from winxphome cd and I was able to do
it) ...whew!!  I thought I was a gonner!!  Wachit...lots of those driver
updates are produced by bloatware gorillas with no sense at all ...update of
drivers seems, now, to be risky business!!

-Original Message-
From: John Duncan Yoyo [mailto:johnduncany...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Sysfading


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Marcio V. Pinheiro
wefp...@terra.com.brwrote:

 What is this that creeps showing in my computer sayuing that Sysfading
 can not close?... Something new...


There is a long discussion here

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=24363highlight=SySFader

That discussion seems to end with it being an nvidia graphics card driver
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Re: [CGUYS] Siemens S46 Cellphone

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
Can I get the Siemens S46 phones to work with ATT (or other
provider), or on a pay-as-you-go plans? They are GSM/GPRS, and TDMA
compatible.

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Re: [CGUYS] Siemens S46 Cellphone

2009-01-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I did a little bit of researching and it is possible it just simple 
is no longer supported.


It was a multiband phone of which some of those networks may not be around.

GSM and CDMA seem to be the most prevalent with some small (Nextel, 
and local carriers) pockets of other.


Stewart



At 12:23 PM 1/9/2009, you wrote:

I bought 2 Siemens S46 Cellphones from ATT just before the Cingular
merger which unfortunately rendered the cellphones incompatible with
the new Cingular/ATT network. We ended up having to buy new Nokia
phones for the remainder of our contract. I still have the Siemens and
wondered if I can use these in any way? I tried swapping the sim cards
from my Nokia's but that brought up an error message. I would like to
be able to use them with ATT but ATT says they can't help us make
them work.

Can I get the Siemens S46 phones to work with ATT (or other
provider), or on a pay-as-you-go plans? They are GSM/GPRS, and TDMA
compatible.

http://reviews.cnet.com/Siemens_S46/4505-6454_7-20650345.html

Thanks in advance.

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[CGUYS] Number One On Google

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
Well I haven't a clue about what Sysfading is, so I Googled it. Imagine 
my surprise when the top-listed item was Marcio's original post. Marcio, 
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Re: [CGUYS] Sysfading

2009-01-09 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
Please, how do I do these things? roll back? 
un-install? Then I have to install the drivers 
again but how do I do if I can´t see the screen?

Silly questions?

Marcio

At 05:28 PM 1/9/2009, you wrote:

Do a roll back or un-install the last package.

Do not use paid sites for updates.  Updates 
should be available from the manufacturers for free.


Stewart




At 01:19 PM 1/9/2009, you wrote:
My, what a coincidence. This happened after I 
used a paid for driver update program
that gave me the new driver for my SIS 
5598/6326. First my desktop went light brown
then I corrected this. Now the collors are a 
little different from the original windows XP
and, worse, my IE is moving quite slowly. When 
I shut doen the computer there is

the Sysfading can´t close...

Welll, where do I go from here?...

Many thanks

Marcio


At 02:26 PM 1/9/2009, RLeeSimon wrote:

Hey yoyo ...just a sideways addition to this ...I went online right after I
got my low high speed internet (prev dialup yeech!) and was thrilled to see
I could dld the huge nvidia driver update for my winxpsp3home computer to
see what would be improved ...it bricked my box and had2 be taken off in
safe mode (happily it still booted from winxphome cd and I was able to do
it) ...whew!!  I thought I was a gonner!!  Wachit...lots of those driver
updates are produced by bloatware gorillas with no sense at all ...update of
drivers seems, now, to be risky business!!

-Original Message-
From: John Duncan Yoyo [mailto:johnduncany...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Sysfading


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Marcio V. Pinheiro
wefp...@terra.com.brwrote:

 What is this that creeps showing in my computer sayuing that Sysfading
 can not close?... Something new...


There is a long discussion here

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=24363highlight=SySFader

That discussion seems to end with it being an nvidia graphics card driver
issue but it goes on for seven pages with several other things that sound
like it could be as well...


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Re: [CGUYS] Siemens S46 Cellphone

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
GSM and CDMA seem to be the most prevalent with some small (Nextel, 
and local carriers) pockets of other.

I was told that my carrier, T-Mobile will work with any unlocked GSM 
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[CGUYS] Good Buzz About the Palm Pre

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
If they can manage developers and software distribution, this one may 
surpass the iPhone. It looks like it contains many great ideas and a 
great interface. Its Web OS uses web tools (HTML5, CSS,  JavaScript) 
to create apps. It may be a game changer.

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Re: [CGUYS] DRM

2009-01-09 Thread mike
Well I wouldn't call you clueless, but.  Lemme see if I have this
straight...Apple has battled against DRM since day 1...*in the US* but
across the sea they are battling *for* DRM?  Maybe as Steve Jobs takes less
of a role at Apple the MFB's will shake themselves out of his reality
distortion field.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 It could be argued it is now in Apple's interest to keep DRM.  No DRM
 means
 you don't need an ipod to play the music you buy from Apple, and Apple
 isn't
 making money off the music that's for sure.

 Anything can be argued (as has already been proven here), but one would
 have to be quite clueless to do so.

 Apple has battled against DRM since day 1 and they sure do make money
 selling iTunes. Under like some other vendors, Apple does not rely on
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Re: [CGUYS] Good Buzz About the Palm Pre

2009-01-09 Thread mike
I saw this phone, it looks very nice...but if anyone has butter fingers,
it's palm.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:



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[CGUYS] firewall ...hard or what?

2009-01-09 Thread RLeeSimon
I have a new Linksys Router with, of course, their built in firewall.
BEHIND it is my desktop computer.  Also, I use my laptop to it wirelessly.
WPA encryption is enabled.  Do I need a software firewall at all ?  I have
PCToolsPro on my desktop computer which causes some misery.  I have
ZoneAlarm on my laptop which causes some more misery.  My internet
connection sharing worked ok but my network would not do fileshare or much
else with all that going.  With it shut off, bingo, everything works!  Am I
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Re: [CGUYS] Zunepocalypse II [Was: Zunepocalypse]

2009-01-09 Thread mike
I know it's hard for you to let facts have an effect on your opinion...I
can't even fathom why you are arguing this point, but there is a difference
between an apple designed product being outsourced for production and MS
buying a product already built by someone else and rebranding it.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 
 http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/25/fcc-reveals-toshiba-1089-and-its-lookin
 g-a-whole-lot-like-a/
 
 FCC says Toshiba.  MS may have had more to do with it after the first gen,
 but then the first gen is what we are talking about.

 Using your twisted logic, the iPod is made by Hon Hai Precision Industry
 Inc. in China. Not an Apple product at all.


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Re: [CGUYS] Zunepocalypse II [Was: Zunepocalypse]

2009-01-09 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
I guess that just means WFBs forgive MS for sins AFBs would never
forgive; if Apple put the brand on junk, Jobs would catch no end of
hell!

Stand by your brand!

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
I know it's hard for you to let facts have an effect on your opinion...I
can't even fathom why you are arguing this point, but there is a
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Re: [CGUYS] Number One On Google

2009-01-09 Thread Tony B
I _think_ this might be a Google Desktop thing? Or gmail. What I mean
is, someone not subscribed to the list would see a different search
result.


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
 Well I haven't a clue about what Sysfading is, so I Googled it. Imagine
 my surprise when the top-listed item was Marcio's original post. Marcio,
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Re: [CGUYS] firewall ...hard or what?

2009-01-09 Thread Tony B
The built-in Windows firewall suffices for 95% of users. Just turn _it_ on.


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, RLeeSimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a new Linksys Router with, of course, their built in firewall.
 BEHIND it is my desktop computer.  Also, I use my laptop to it wirelessly.
 WPA encryption is enabled.  Do I need a software firewall at all ?  I have
 PCToolsPro on my desktop computer which causes some misery.  I have
 ZoneAlarm on my laptop which causes some more misery.  My internet
 connection sharing worked ok but my network would not do fileshare or much
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Re: [CGUYS] Siemens S46 Cellphone

2009-01-09 Thread Richard P.
I'm assuming the phones are locked as they were purchased new from
ATT. I presume that they can be unlocked based on the number of
unlocking sites that come up with a Google search, although they have
different solutions. One company says just send money and they'll send
an unlock code, while the other says the phone must be sent to them
for it to be unlocked. The problem is, how does one know whether the
service is legitimate/reliable? I don't recognize any of the names
(http://www.gsm-software.com/unlock/unlocksiemens.html ,
http://thetravelinsider.info/roadwarriorcontent/siemensunlocking.htm
).

Any suggestions on where to go or who to use? I am in the DC area so a
bricks and mortar shop would be preferred. I've never gone through the
unlocking process so am unfamiliar with how it is normally done.

I do like the idea of T-Mobile's $7 SIM (or similar), once the phone
is unlocked.

Richard P.

GSM and CDMA seem to be the most prevalent with some small (Nextel,
and local carriers) pockets of other.

 I was told that my carrier, T-Mobile will work with any unlocked GSM
 phone. You can order a To-Go SIM from their online store for $7
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Re: [CGUYS] firewall ...hard or what?

2009-01-09 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, RLeeSimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a new Linksys Router with, of course, their built in firewall.
 BEHIND it is my desktop computer.  Also, I use my laptop to it wirelessly.
 WPA encryption is enabled.  Do I need a software firewall at all ?  I have
 PCToolsPro on my desktop computer which causes some misery.  I have
 ZoneAlarm on my laptop which causes some more misery.  My internet
 connection sharing worked ok but my network would not do fileshare or much
 else with all that going.  With it shut off, bingo, everything works!  Am I
 ok this way or what?  If not, why?  TIA!!


You are probably fine if you are behind your router.  If the laptop gets
used out of the house I would have something on it.  The M$ firewall is
probably sufficient.


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Re: [CGUYS] firewall ...hard or what?

2009-01-09 Thread Mike Sloane
I have been running half a dozen wired and wireless machines behind a 
Linksys router for several years, with NO software firewalls running. I 
have yet to have any problems. When I ran a test with one of those 
websites that tries to find a way to break in, they reported that I was 
fully protected. I had been running ZoneAlarm, but it was hogging too 
much memory on my old IBM ThinkPad 600x, so I was happy to turn it off. 
I have little doubt that others will have different opinions. :-)


Mike

RLeeSimon wrote:

I have a new Linksys Router with, of course, their built in firewall.
BEHIND it is my desktop computer.  Also, I use my laptop to it wirelessly.
WPA encryption is enabled.  Do I need a software firewall at all ?  I have
PCToolsPro on my desktop computer which causes some misery.  I have
ZoneAlarm on my laptop which causes some more misery.  My internet
connection sharing worked ok but my network would not do fileshare or much
else with all that going.  With it shut off, bingo, everything works!  Am I
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[CGUYS] photo software -- red eye?

2009-01-09 Thread Judy Cosler

With Picasa, I can't get good results for getting rid of red eye.
anybody have other software to recommend which is good with dog red 
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Re: [CGUYS] Siemens S46 Cellphone

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
Any suggestions on where to go or who to use? I am in the DC area so a
bricks and mortar shop would be preferred. I've never gone through the
unlocking process so am unfamiliar with how it is normally done.

The independent cell phone store on 17th Street NW, across the street 
from National Geographic, can unlock phones and is generally 
knowledgeable.

However, they sell the To-Go SIM for a lot more $. They quoted me $30 for 
activation and I told them that the T-Mobile website was offering free 
activation. They said they can't compete with that. So no sale.

I recall reading that after you have owned a phone for some length of 
time they are required to unlock it for you. Worth checking out. 


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Re: [CGUYS] photo software -- red eye?

2009-01-09 Thread Richard P.
Adobe Photoshop starter edition has a red eye repair function although
I've not used it yet. Also, if you want to get real involved, you can
use Paint.net to edit your pictures. Both programs free.

Richard P.


 With Picasa, I can't get good results for getting rid of red eye.
 anybody have other software to recommend which is good with dog red eyes,
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Re: [CGUYS] photo software -- red eye?

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
With Picasa, I can't get good results for getting rid of red eye.
anybody have other software to recommend which is good with dog red 
eyes, people red eyes?

iPhoto.


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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

2009-01-09 Thread Robert
I'm not trying to start an argument, but I have had a problem with the 
Creative Zen mp3 player.  Bought one for my daughter last Xmas because 
it (unlike the iPod or the Zune) can download and play audio novels from 
the public library.  A few months later the LCD screen cracked without 
explanation.  Searching the web for a repair place (found that the 8 GB 
unit not expensive enough to justify repair), I came across a lot of 
reports of the Zen LCD screen breaking without cause.


I opted to buy the same model to replace the first because it was much 
cheaper than the iPod and the Zune.  So far, still works.



Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

This is where I think Creative shines actually.

I have a few of the Creative MP3 players and have been very satisfied 
with them.


We have never looked at Ipods, but like our Creative MP3 players very 
much.


(I think we have 4-5 different ones in the house.)

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Re: [CGUYS] Siemens S46 Cellphone

2009-01-09 Thread Richard P.
Thanks, I will investigate both possibilities.

Richard P.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Any suggestions on where to go or who to use? I am in the DC area so a
bricks and mortar shop would be preferred. I've never gone through the
unlocking process so am unfamiliar with how it is normally done.

 The independent cell phone store on 17th Street NW, across the street
 from National Geographic, can unlock phones and is generally
 knowledgeable.

 However, they sell the To-Go SIM for a lot more $. They quoted me $30 for
 activation and I told them that the T-Mobile website was offering free
 activation. They said they can't compete with that. So no sale.

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Re: [CGUYS] Zunepocalypse II [Was: Zunepocalypse]

2009-01-09 Thread mike
Sorry if the truth disturbs you, in point of fact I've never owned a zune, I
don't think I've ever even touched a zune.

Mark, can you tell me where in this post I speak of forgiveness or lack of,
or speak of junk?  All I said is that MS branded a toshiba built player,
that's not a judgement, just fact.  You are going to nail yourself in the
head one of these days with your knee jerk reactions.

As for weather the zune is junk, I don't know, as I said I've never touched
one.  Obviously you have used one, why is it junk?

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
mark.sny...@ngc.comwrote:

 I guess that just means WFBs forgive MS for sins AFBs would never
 forgive; if Apple put the brand on junk, Jobs would catch no end of
 hell!

 Stand by your brand!

 Thank you,

 Mark Snyder
 -Original Message-
 I know it's hard for you to let facts have an effect on your opinion...I
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

2009-01-09 Thread mike
Just wondering, how is the ipod/zune not capable of of playing those library
files?

Mike

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Robert carrollcompu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not trying to start an argument, but I have had a problem with the
 Creative Zen mp3 player.  Bought one for my daughter last Xmas because it
 (unlike the iPod or the Zune) can download and play audio novels from the
 public library.  A few months later the LCD screen cracked without
 explanation.  Searching the web for a repair place (found that the 8 GB unit
 not expensive enough to justify repair), I came across a lot of reports of
 the Zen LCD screen breaking without cause.

 I opted to buy the same model to replace the first because it was much
 cheaper than the iPod and the Zune.  So far, still works.


 Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

 This is where I think Creative shines actually.

 I have a few of the Creative MP3 players and have been very satisfied with
 them.

 We have never looked at Ipods, but like our Creative MP3 players very
 much.

 (I think we have 4-5 different ones in the house.)

 Stewart


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Re: [CGUYS] firewall ...hard or what?

2009-01-09 Thread RLeeSimon
Inasmuch as that is what I hoped for as an opinion, I would like to solicit
opinions of your opinion, then...

-Original Message-
From: Mike Sloane [mailto:mikeslo...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: firewall ...hard or what?


I have been running half a dozen wired and wireless machines behind a 
Linksys router for several years, with NO software firewalls running. I 
have yet to have any problems. When I ran a test with one of those 
websites that tries to find a way to break in, they reported that I was 
fully protected. I had been running ZoneAlarm, but it was hogging too 
much memory on my old IBM ThinkPad 600x, so I was happy to turn it off. 
I have little doubt that others will have different opinions. :-)

Mike

RLeeSimon wrote:
 I have a new Linksys Router with, of course, their built in firewall. 
 BEHIND it is my desktop computer.  Also, I use my laptop to it 
 wirelessly. WPA encryption is enabled.  Do I need a software firewall 
 at all ?  I have PCToolsPro on my desktop computer which causes some 
 misery.  I have ZoneAlarm on my laptop which causes some more misery.  
 My internet connection sharing worked ok but my network would not do 
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Re: [CGUYS] firewall ...hard or what?

2009-01-09 Thread RLeeSimon
Question is do I even need that?  I suspect the desktop being behind the
router but wired is protected and the wifi to my laptop is behind the router
and also protected ...waddoIneed a software firewall for, then?  I am not
trying to be facetious...

-Original Message-
From: Tony B [mailto:ton...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: firewall ...hard or what?


The built-in Windows firewall suffices for 95% of users. Just turn _it_ on.


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, RLeeSimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a new Linksys Router with, of course, their built in firewall.
 BEHIND it is my desktop computer.  Also, I use my laptop to it 
 wirelessly. WPA encryption is enabled.  Do I need a software firewall 
 at all ?  I have PCToolsPro on my desktop computer which causes some 
 misery.  I have ZoneAlarm on my laptop which causes some more misery.  
 My internet connection sharing worked ok but my network would not do 
 fileshare or much else with all that going.  With it shut off, bingo, 
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Re: [CGUYS] Zunepocalypse II [Was: Zunepocalypse]

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Piwowar
Mark, can you tell me where in this post I speak of forgiveness or lack of,
or speak of junk?  All I said is that MS branded a toshiba built player,
that's not a judgement, just fact.  You are going to nail yourself in the
head one of these days with your knee jerk reactions.

1) Mike wants you to read this one post in isolation, paying no attention 
to the misinformation he previously posted.

2) Mike is still promoting the notion that the Zune is not a Microsoft 
product. It was built in a foreign land according to instructions beamed 
in from Alpha Centauri.


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Re: [CGUYS] Good Buzz About the Palm Pre

2009-01-09 Thread db

Go Palm Go!!

I have been dreading what I thought would be an inevitable and painful 
data transition  from my aging Palm TX PDA to a foreign smart phone 
platform... now maybe I won't have to!   :)


I hope it supports Docs to Go, cut and paste,   wifi etc.

Interesting to see that the Pre was Jon Rubenstein's ... the Mac 
engineer responsible for the iPod and some of the iMac's ... baby.  He 
left Apple to develop the Pre...


db

Tom Piwowar wrote:
If they can manage developers and software distribution, this one may 
surpass the iPhone. It looks like it contains many great ideas and a 
great interface. Its Web OS uses web tools (HTML5, CSS,  JavaScript) 
to create apps. It may be a game changer.


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Re: [CGUYS] Good Buzz About the Palm Pre

2009-01-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I have seen a few new machines from palm,  Palm Pre, Palm Treo Pro, 
and the Palm 800.


All of them look like excellent machines and I am a big fan of 
Palm's.  Now if only they will get a new one on the Verizon Network.


Looks like Alltel's network in our area will get sold to Sprint whose 
network (And ATT's) are abysmal in this area.


Stewart


At 06:22 PM 1/9/2009, you wrote:

Go Palm Go!!

I have been dreading what I thought would be an inevitable and 
painful data transition  from my aging Palm TX PDA to a foreign 
smart phone platform... now maybe I won't have to!   :)


I hope it supports Docs to Go, cut and paste,   wifi etc.

Interesting to see that the Pre was Jon Rubenstein's ... the Mac 
engineer responsible for the iPod and some of the iMac's ... 
baby.  He left Apple to develop the Pre...


db


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Re: [CGUYS] Zunepocalypse II [Was: Zunepocalypse]

2009-01-09 Thread mike
Now that is completely untrue.  I never even once said it wasn't a MS
product.  You see things that aren't there and then go with this alternate
reality.  I say in the post you pasted yourself here that MS branded a
toshiba player, never once have I said the zune was not a MS product.
Please enlighten me on the misinformation I've posted.



On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 Mark, can you tell me where in this post I speak of forgiveness or lack
 of,
 or speak of junk?  All I said is that MS branded a toshiba built player,
 that's not a judgement, just fact.  You are going to nail yourself in the
 head one of these days with your knee jerk reactions.

 1) Mike wants you to read this one post in isolation, paying no attention
 to the misinformation he previously posted.

 2) Mike is still promoting the notion that the Zune is not a Microsoft
 product. It was built in a foreign land according to instructions beamed
 in from Alpha Centauri.


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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

2009-01-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Sorry to hear that, We have an old Creative Xtra (40GB) a Zen Vision 
M (30 GB) and two smaller ones, a Nano (1 GB) and a 4 GB we bought this fall.


No problems with any of them.  Matter of fact, when we travel the 
first thing that gets done is pull out the Vision M and turn on a book.


I also have a library of Audible Books that the Creative Players play.

Stewart


At 05:16 PM 1/9/2009, you wrote:
I'm not trying to start an argument, but I have had a problem with 
the Creative Zen mp3 player.  Bought one for my daughter last Xmas 
because it (unlike the iPod or the Zune) can download and play audio 
novels from the public library.  A few months later the LCD screen 
cracked without explanation.  Searching the web for a repair place 
(found that the 8 GB unit not expensive enough to justify repair), I 
came across a lot of reports of the Zen LCD screen breaking without cause.


I opted to buy the same model to replace the first because it was 
much cheaper than the iPod and the Zune.  So far, still works.


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Re: [CGUYS] Zunepocalypse II [Was: Zunepocalypse]

2009-01-09 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
Mike, please what I said: If Apple bought a 3rd-prty product an put the
Apple logo on it, and it had the Zune date bug, the AFBs would not stop
dunning Steve. But the WFBs have that happen and say, oh, bummer and
move on.

World of difference!  Apple protects its brand, MS and WFBs pass the
blame and yawn.

Your tactic includes accusing me of being disturbed by the WFB truth -
WTF is that about?

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
Sorry if the truth disturbs you, in point of fact I've never owned a
zune, I don't think I've ever even touched a zune.

Mark, can you tell me where in this post I speak of forgiveness or lack
of, or speak of junk?  All I said is that MS branded a toshiba built
player, that's not a judgement, just fact.  You are going to nail
yourself in the head one of these days with your knee jerk reactions.

As for weather the zune is junk, I don't know, as I said I've never
touched one.  Obviously you have used one, why is it junk?

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
mark.sny...@ngc.comwrote:

 I guess that just means WFBs forgive MS for sins AFBs would never 
 forgive; if Apple put the brand on junk, Jobs would catch no end of 
 hell!

 Stand by your brand!

 Thank you,

 Mark Snyder
 -Original Message-
 I know it's hard for you to let facts have an effect on your 
 opinion...I can't even fathom why you are arguing this point, but 
 there is a difference between an apple designed product being 
 outsourced for production and MS buying a product already built by 
 someone else and rebranding it.


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Re: [CGUYS] firewall ...hard or what?

2009-01-09 Thread db
Because ... if a trojan infected laptop uses your wifi (or a war 
driver passes your way, or one of your machines picks up one form or 
another of an exploit via email, evil website etc), the compromise will 
in turn try to compromise all other machines on your network.  If you 
are using filesharing... those secondary compromises will be a cakewalk 
and without individual computer firewalls... not very difficult.


You can't have your cake and eat it too in this game. 

Software firewalls and antivirus eat up process cycles, filesharing is 
an invitation to share your computer and firewalls also stop generic 
filesharing.


Some of the best software engineers in the world are designing the 
trojans and malware these days and they have unlimited budgets because 
the profits on the dark side are so HUGE.


Conservative estimates are that 25% of all US PC's are compromised and 
used as platforms for various dark arts.


Once a machine is compromised by these sophisticated exploits, it 
usually takes a format and rebuild to remove them.


All professionals will tell you a layered,/ overlapping / 
multifaceted, external firewall, internal firewall, antivirus, malware 
defense is the ONLY way to go.


On the university network I used to work for, an unprotected machine 
would be compromised in 30 seconds and there was nothing the U. could do 
about it. 

I occasionally see war drivers cruising the residential streets I live 
on.  One of them that I stopped and talked to was using a laptop with 
powerful robotic scanning attack software (freeware) to compromise wifi 
networks.  He was an unemployed computer project manager and got paid 
by the piece.  He was making good money.  White collar crime is out of 
control these days


One of the automated/ robotic exploits getting more rampant is credit 
card and ID theft.


I myself wouldn't take on the poor odds / huge risk you are contemplating.

What's easy now, won't be easy later.

My two bits,

db

RLeeSimon wrote:

Question is do I even need that?  I suspect the desktop being behind the
router but wired is protected and the wifi to my laptop is behind the router
and also protected ...waddoIneed a software firewall for, then?  I am not
trying to be facetious...

-Original Message-
From: Tony B [mailto:ton...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 4:34 PM

Subject: Re: firewall ...hard or what?


The built-in Windows firewall suffices for 95% of users. Just turn _it_ on.


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, RLeeSimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote:
  

I have a new Linksys Router with, of course, their built in firewall.
BEHIND it is my desktop computer.  Also, I use my laptop to it 
wirelessly. WPA encryption is enabled.  Do I need a software firewall 
at all ?  I have PCToolsPro on my desktop computer which causes some 
misery.  I have ZoneAlarm on my laptop which causes some more misery.  
My internet connection sharing worked ok but my network would not do 
fileshare or much else with all that going.  With it shut off, bingo, 
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Re: [CGUYS] Zunepocalypse II [Was: Zunepocalypse]

2009-01-09 Thread mike
First, not enough people even bought the first gen zune, or any other, to
create any turmoil.  I don't even know what or who a WFB is, I don't own a
zune, I never have even used a zune...MS bought a player from toshiba, put
their name on it and sold it with a cpu that caused the unit to lock up for
a few hours once.  In the end the fault lies with MS, it's their name on it,
everything I've said has been true and 'unfanboy' like since I don't even
own one.

You'll have to clarify wfb truth, I have no idea since all I spoke of was a
toshiba product rebranded for MS.  Is it MS's fault for not checking to see
if the product was going to get drunk and not work on Jan 1st?  Yes.
Doesn't mean suddenly that toshiba didn't build the thing.  I never passed
any blame, perhaps it looked it to someone looking to lay it, I just
clarified that it was a toshiba product...why aren't there any outcry's
about how horrible and lazy toshiba is?  If we want to be completely fair,
we should be taking them to task just as MS, the toshiba players failed
too.  But for some odd reason...some users only went after MS.  Since Tom
started the thread, perhaps he can elaborate on why he never went after
toshiba?


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
mark.sny...@ngc.comwrote:

 Mike, please what I said: If Apple bought a 3rd-prty product an put the
 Apple logo on it, and it had the Zune date bug, the AFBs would not stop
 dunning Steve. But the WFBs have that happen and say, oh, bummer and
 move on.

 World of difference!  Apple protects its brand, MS and WFBs pass the
 blame and yawn.

 Your tactic includes accusing me of being disturbed by the WFB truth -
 WTF is that about?

 Thank you,

 Mark Snyder
 -Original Message-
 Sorry if the truth disturbs you, in point of fact I've never owned a
 zune, I don't think I've ever even touched a zune.

 Mark, can you tell me where in this post I speak of forgiveness or lack
 of, or speak of junk?  All I said is that MS branded a toshiba built
 player, that's not a judgement, just fact.  You are going to nail
 yourself in the head one of these days with your knee jerk reactions.

 As for weather the zune is junk, I don't know, as I said I've never
 touched one.  Obviously you have used one, why is it junk?

 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
 mark.sny...@ngc.comwrote:

  I guess that just means WFBs forgive MS for sins AFBs would never
  forgive; if Apple put the brand on junk, Jobs would catch no end of
  hell!
 
  Stand by your brand!
 
  Thank you,
 
  Mark Snyder
  -Original Message-
  I know it's hard for you to let facts have an effect on your
  opinion...I can't even fathom why you are arguing this point, but
  there is a difference between an apple designed product being
  outsourced for production and MS buying a product already built by
  someone else and rebranding it.
 
 
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Re: [CGUYS] photo software -- red eye?

2009-01-09 Thread Tony B
Oddly, the only really good red-eye tool I've ever seen is in (I
think, IIRC) Corel's Paint Shop Pro ( http://tinyurl.com/72x7dj ). It
actually contains several human and animal eye templates you can use.
Photoshop has a red-eye tool which often works fairly well with
people, but rarely works at all for pets.

Since this is such a common problem, one would think more programs
would spend more effort on it.


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Judy Cosler jcos...@starpower.net wrote:
 With Picasa, I can't get good results for getting rid of red eye.
 anybody have other software to recommend which is good with dog red eyes,
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[CGUYS] Evernote.com? Keeping track of information?

2009-01-09 Thread Ranbo
Anyone had experience with Evernote application for keeping track of things
to do, remember, etc.?  Read about it in article on organizing and thinking
of trying it.

On the subject of keeping track and organizing - anyone found good
solutions, e.g. devices, to keeping track of things you write down, say,
while on the phone, like notes, contact info, names, websites, anything
else?  Type it into computer while on the phone?  PDA?

January 'tis the time to get things together and organized!

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Re: [CGUYS] Siemens S46 Cellphone

2009-01-09 Thread b_s-wilk
GSM and CDMA seem to be the most prevalent with some small (Nextel, 
and local carriers) pockets of other.


I was told that my carrier, T-Mobile will work with any unlocked GSM 
phone. You can order a To-Go SIM from their online store for $7 
(includes overnight delivery and xx minutes).



Siemens S46 can use one available network in the US--T-Mobile. [specs: 
http://snipurl.com/9q82m] Phone can find these networks:
GSM 900/1900 and TDMA 800/1900. Only one in the US now is GSM 1900. Is 
the phone unlocked? Does it have a cell phone provider's logo? To unlock 
it, you need either a USB cable for that phone, or to figure out how to 
get the unlock code and sequence. If it's locked to ATT, recycle it and 
get a new or used one from a friend. Nokia phones are the easiest to 
unlock. For others you have to contact the  provider or manufacturer for 
an unlock code or use a cable and special software.


T-Mobile To-Go [prepaid is better than flexpay] http://snipurl.com/9q798:
Nokia 1208 - http://snipurl.com/9q6q9 $19.99, incl. $30 refill bonus; 
850 MHz;1900 MHz
Nokia 1680 - http://snipurl.com/9q6t3 $49.99, incl. $30 refill bonus; 
850 MHz;1900 MHz
Samsung black stripe  - http://snipurl.com/9q6w5 incl. $30 refill bonus; 
850 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz


Buy $100 refill to get all US minutes for 10 cents, expiring after 1 
year unless rolled over. 850/1900 MHz phones can roam within the US. 
Other countries have 900/1800  MHz networks. T-Mobile will unlock phones 
after 3-6 months, but you won't want to switch if you're mostly in the 
DC area. Or pick up a SpeakOut phone at 7-11 stores.


Betty


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