Re: [CGUYS] the moon
Yeh ... and the US announced something er other about wanting to shut the Space Station down in 2015... Ain't going to happen. The Russkies have the operations stuff down pat, they've got a LOT of on orbit expertise, and the ESA and JAXA have a lot of money invested in those labs. Now that the heavy lifting is tapering off and the construction phases are close to done, meaning a sizeable crew can be on station for extended periods, why not use it. It cost enough, it's there, and it's an excellent platform for on orbit construction. OK, the orbit is too low, but it's an asset to be leveraged. We may not have the technology or the will for a manned Mars landing, but just having a 24x7x365.25 platform is good. There are a lot of worthwhile exploration opportunities. With private ventures such as SpaceX starting to come on line we could make some money out of this. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/10/japan_htv_launch/ What have you done for me lately? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/ISS_STS-128_Zenith.jpg * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
It's late and I'm tired so your sarcasm kind of went over my head. So with this post I'm not sure what your really think. But the us can't shut down the space station. We don't own it. I think it's called the ISS for a reason. Hell, the Russians are broke and seem to be docking there more often then we are. I'm really surprised Disney hasn't gotten into the manned space flight race. What an E ticket ride that would be. Oops, I'm dating myself. Can you imagine the little stand ups at the beginning of the line? You have to be this tall. Of course now they'd say you have to have 20 million dollars. Well there goes lunch and shopping in the afternoon. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 11, 2009, at 8:29 PM, db wrote: Yeh ... and the US announced something er other about wanting to shut the Space Station down in 2015 ... a mere years after completion so we can pay for manned missions going back to the moon or to Mars or just wandering around out in space. Why would that be? Anybody notice a striking commonality between developing brand new manned space missions / military hardware, starting new wars, and keeping our current insurance companies in charge of our national health? Could it possibly be cost-plus unregulated pricing and profits in a time when most all other American business is sucking wind / getting clobbered by the foreign competition?. I know it just HAS to be a coincidence! Maintaining and improving existing systems and competing for market share ... how droll, boring and penny pinching. And worse yet everybody else knows something about it and looks over your shoulder or worse yet is in your face or already got there before we did. No money for reality when we're broke. BUT a good fantasy or something totally inexplicably fantastic... THAT we might borrow some more money for The Chinese will be glad to put it on our tab right? Or maybe we can walk on air and right on up there to the moon while we are at it! Why pay attention to laws of gravity when laws of economics obviously don't affect us?? Pardon my sarcasm. db Jeff Miles wrote: It's becoming one busy place. I've thought about what my great grandkids would think about our arguments over manned space flight. Do you think they'd be looking at us like we look at those who argued man wasn't meant to fly? Time seems to go by so fast. I was reminded of this when they brought that pilot back who was shot down in the gulf war. Was it really 19 years ago? Where did those 19 years go? Oh, Kodak quit making film and I'm now complaining about the cost of a terabyte external drive. 19 years ago I had a smuggled out from Micron a 1 megabyte wafer of chips about the size of a CD hanging from my car mirror. Now it's a joke. I miss the days of tubing down the river with a beer in one hand, straw grass in my mouth and getting burnt to a crisp. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: Here's another example: the space station, where not much science is getting done by the three-person crew. Up to six now. There are currently two Soyuz spacecraft on station at a given time, since May 29, 2009. To be precise, TMA-14 and TMA-15 are docked at the Pirs nadir port and the Zarya nadir port respectively, and Progress 34P is docked at the Zvezda aft port. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Word/Excel merge problem
On Sep 11, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: My wife emailed me an Excel database to merge into mailing labels. She is running Office 2008 on her MacBook Pro running 10.5. I am running Office X on my iMac running 10.4.11. Oh gawd, Office X used to be the buggiest version of Office on the Mac, until Office 2008 came around. You sure can pick 'em. On Sep 11, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: I can open the file in Excel, but when I try to open it for a merge through Word, Word crashes. Do I need to upgrade my version of Office or is there a work around? Office 2008 uses a very different file format than previous versions. There is a converter http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.mspx?pid=&fid=EDB6CD8F-832C-4123-8982-AC0C601EA0A7#viewer Simpler would be saving the Excel file as tab delimited or CSV if you don't mind stripping out formatting. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
I should have called that one ... Shoot the Moon ... go baby go ... roll those dice ! :) db db wrote: Yeh ... and the US announced something er other about wanting to shut the Space Station down in 2015 ... a mere years after completion so we can pay for manned missions going back to the moon or to Mars or just wandering around out in space. Why would that be? Anybody notice a striking commonality between developing brand new manned space missions / military hardware, starting new wars, and keeping our current insurance companies in charge of our national health? Could it possibly be cost-plus unregulated pricing and profits in a time when most all other American business is sucking wind / getting clobbered by the foreign competition?. I know it just HAS to be a coincidence! Maintaining and improving existing systems and competing for market share ... how droll, boring and penny pinching. And worse yet everybody else knows something about it and looks over your shoulder or worse yet is in your face or already got there before we did. No money for reality when we're broke. BUT a good fantasy or something totally inexplicably fantastic... THAT we might borrow some more money for The Chinese will be glad to put it on our tab right? Or maybe we can walk on air and right on up there to the moon while we are at it! Why pay attention to laws of gravity when laws of economics obviously don't affect us?? Pardon my sarcasm. db Jeff Miles wrote: It's becoming one busy place. I've thought about what my great grandkids would think about our arguments over manned space flight. Do you think they'd be looking at us like we look at those who argued man wasn't meant to fly? Time seems to go by so fast. I was reminded of this when they brought that pilot back who was shot down in the gulf war. Was it really 19 years ago? Where did those 19 years go? Oh, Kodak quit making film and I'm now complaining about the cost of a terabyte external drive. 19 years ago I had a smuggled out from Micron a 1 megabyte wafer of chips about the size of a CD hanging from my car mirror. Now it's a joke. I miss the days of tubing down the river with a beer in one hand, straw grass in my mouth and getting burnt to a crisp. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: Here's another example: the space station, where not much science is getting done by the three-person crew. Up to six now. There are currently two Soyuz spacecraft on station at a given time, since May 29, 2009. To be precise, TMA-14 and TMA-15 are docked at the Pirs nadir port and the Zarya nadir port respectively, and Progress 34P is docked at the Zvezda aft port. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
Yeh ... and the US announced something er other about wanting to shut the Space Station down in 2015 ... a mere years after completion so we can pay for manned missions going back to the moon or to Mars or just wandering around out in space. Why would that be? Anybody notice a striking commonality between developing brand new manned space missions / military hardware, starting new wars, and keeping our current insurance companies in charge of our national health? Could it possibly be cost-plus unregulated pricing and profits in a time when most all other American business is sucking wind / getting clobbered by the foreign competition?. I know it just HAS to be a coincidence! Maintaining and improving existing systems and competing for market share ... how droll, boring and penny pinching. And worse yet everybody else knows something about it and looks over your shoulder or worse yet is in your face or already got there before we did. No money for reality when we're broke. BUT a good fantasy or something totally inexplicably fantastic... THAT we might borrow some more money for The Chinese will be glad to put it on our tab right? Or maybe we can walk on air and right on up there to the moon while we are at it! Why pay attention to laws of gravity when laws of economics obviously don't affect us?? Pardon my sarcasm. db Jeff Miles wrote: It's becoming one busy place. I've thought about what my great grandkids would think about our arguments over manned space flight. Do you think they'd be looking at us like we look at those who argued man wasn't meant to fly? Time seems to go by so fast. I was reminded of this when they brought that pilot back who was shot down in the gulf war. Was it really 19 years ago? Where did those 19 years go? Oh, Kodak quit making film and I'm now complaining about the cost of a terabyte external drive. 19 years ago I had a smuggled out from Micron a 1 megabyte wafer of chips about the size of a CD hanging from my car mirror. Now it's a joke. I miss the days of tubing down the river with a beer in one hand, straw grass in my mouth and getting burnt to a crisp. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: Here's another example: the space station, where not much science is getting done by the three-person crew. Up to six now. There are currently two Soyuz spacecraft on station at a given time, since May 29, 2009. To be precise, TMA-14 and TMA-15 are docked at the Pirs nadir port and the Zarya nadir port respectively, and Progress 34P is docked at the Zvezda aft port. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
On Sep 11, 2009, at 11:44 AM Sep 11, Steve at Verizon wrote: t.piwowar wrote: Nonesense. What are you comparing that number to? Your pay check? Properly you look at it as percent of GDP. A proper analysis is here: http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP-L.gif This was the Bush party line when he grew the National Debt. Should we stop doing the math properly just because Bush did it properly too? Your logic continues to be cracked. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:15 AM Sep 11, mike wrote: Socialism is a word like any other, a construct of humans and governments. Neither good nor bad, Tom is being mighty ignorant here since both the nazi and soviets called themselves and acted in great part in a socialistic way. Another demonstration of piss poor logic. These evil doers did a lot of things, as did Reagan and Bush. Their hearts beat. Blood flowed through their veins. They breathed in air. By your logic all these activities should be condemned by virtue of guilt by association. If you truly believe what you wrote you need to promptly stop all of the above. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears
FWIW I wouldn't use IE on a PC as my main browser. FIrefox is a better replacement. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Gail.Miller wrote: > Thanks so much Chris and Mr. Mike for your quick responses. As to how my IE > is working -- I've hated it (and it is mercilessly S L O W) since Windows > automatically downloaded IE 8. So I think i'll start using a different > browser. > > I have to wonder, though, why McAfee (which seems to download updates > several times a day) wouldn't catch a malicious file either in the email or > in while browsing with IE. > > I called the Apple Store in Bethesda today to ask a couple questions about > Ipods and a recording greeted, announcing that "there's never been a better > time to get an IMac/" Then it referred me to a Website to make a date for a > personal demonstration. Maybe they're right this time ... > > Thanks, Gail > > - Original Message - From: "Chris Dunford" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears > > > > I don't know what's happening on your system, but Outlook Express is >> msimn.exe. >> >> -Original Message- >>> From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto: >>> computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Gail.Miller >>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:12 PM >>> To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >>> Subject: [CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears >>> What I want to do is find out where the OE.exe (or whatever it's called) >>> is >>> located so I can find it manually next time this happens. I've tried >>> adding >>> a new icon to the desktop but when I go to Outlook Express can't find >>> oe.exe -- the closest I've come is wab.exe. Will that do it? >>> >> >> >> * >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >> * >> > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drobo - back up and storage
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:10 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Business Her Way wrote: > >> Are any of you using any of these storage/back up units? And if yes, how >> is it working for you? >> > > You did not state the application, but for 99 out of 100 it is > trouble. Almost nobody benefits from a RAID and a non-expert user can get > into big trouble. An inexpensive NAS make more sense. > > The Drobo is largely self managing- It tells you when to replace the smaller drives with new bigger drives and that is pretty much it. It's more expensive than I care to afford buy but it is a pretty idiot proof answer to a RAID. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
It's becoming one busy place. I've thought about what my great grandkids would think about our arguments over manned space flight. Do you think they'd be looking at us like we look at those who argued man wasn't meant to fly? Time seems to go by so fast. I was reminded of this when they brought that pilot back who was shot down in the gulf war. Was it really 19 years ago? Where did those 19 years go? Oh, Kodak quit making film and I'm now complaining about the cost of a terabyte external drive. 19 years ago I had a smuggled out from Micron a 1 megabyte wafer of chips about the size of a CD hanging from my car mirror. Now it's a joke. I miss the days of tubing down the river with a beer in one hand, straw grass in my mouth and getting burnt to a crisp. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: Here's another example: the space station, where not much science is getting done by the three-person crew. Up to six now. There are currently two Soyuz spacecraft on station at a given time, since May 29, 2009. To be precise, TMA-14 and TMA-15 are docked at the Pirs nadir port and the Zarya nadir port respectively, and Progress 34P is docked at the Zvezda aft port. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
Here's another example: the space station, where not much science is getting done by the three-person crew. Up to six now. There are currently two Soyuz spacecraft on station at a given time, since May 29, 2009. To be precise, TMA-14 and TMA-15 are docked at the Pirs nadir port and the Zarya nadir port respectively, and Progress 34P is docked at the Zvezda aft port. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears
Thanks so much Chris and Mr. Mike for your quick responses. As to how my IE is working -- I've hated it (and it is mercilessly S L O W) since Windows automatically downloaded IE 8. So I think i'll start using a different browser. I have to wonder, though, why McAfee (which seems to download updates several times a day) wouldn't catch a malicious file either in the email or in while browsing with IE. I called the Apple Store in Bethesda today to ask a couple questions about Ipods and a recording greeted, announcing that "there's never been a better time to get an IMac/" Then it referred me to a Website to make a date for a personal demonstration. Maybe they're right this time ... Thanks, Gail - Original Message - From: "Chris Dunford" To: Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears I don't know what's happening on your system, but Outlook Express is msimn.exe. -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Gail.Miller Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:12 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears What I want to do is find out where the OE.exe (or whatever it's called) is located so I can find it manually next time this happens. I've tried adding a new icon to the desktop but when I go to Outlook Express can't find oe.exe -- the closest I've come is wab.exe. Will that do it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
I have to admit, I love computers, the internet and email lists. They are such fun. Nothing electronic has kept my interest longer. Not even Nintendo or Sega. Those were fun for a couple of years, but they get boring. Email lists never seem to get boring. Long live the internet. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:19 AM, mike wrote: Sounds like here when you...'discuss' computer topics with Tom. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: And as far as name-calling goes, I'm a regular poster on several conservative forums. If I had a buck for every time I've been called a moron, an idiot, a dimwit, a troll, or a retard, I could retire today. Name-calling is the specialite de la maison at many of those places. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
I used to fly mostly out of Seattle and mainly to places on the west coast. However, I have been to Florida and Hawaii quite a few times over the past 20 or so years. I haven't noticed prices changing that drastically. With the exception of flying first class to Hawaii this last time. No 6 hours on the plane sitting on a stool for me. Exaggeration, but close enough. I'm also an airline flight prices junkie. I hit cheaptickets.com daily. And prices can be deceptive nowadays. Horizon air (owned by Alaska air) now charges at check in for even the first bag checked. Kind of irritating if you didn't show up prepared to pay it. Which I noticed this last trip to San Diego that several kids had. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 11, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: Actually, I am a liberal concerning airline deregulation. It opened inexpensive air travel to the masses. Competition brought us Peoples Express (remember them?) and then SW and Jet Blue. Granted, flying in coach today is much like taking the bus as far as amenities. I remember flying before 1978. A round trip to the coast was over $1000, and that was in 1970s dollars. And it was for the elite and businessmen primarily. Today you can go to the coast with Jet Blue for $500. I will grant you that some regulations may be needed to solve the horrors of 8 hour waits on the runway. Jeff Miles wrote: I don't question who did it. While I sound like a liberal most of the time, I blame the democrats as much as the conservatives most of the time. Stupid ideas see no political bias. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:50 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote: If you are referring to the deregulation of the airline industry, the wingnuts who did it were Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Congress. See the 1978 Airline Deregulation Act. t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 2:28 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: You obviously don't pay any attention. Flying 20 years ago was as affordable as it is today. Very true,except that today we have more information about fares. You only get less for your $ today. Today they can abuse their customers with impunity. They can leave you sitting in a plane with overflowing toilets for 12 hours and laugh about it. Back when I was a kid I recall calling the NY office of the CAB several times about abusive airline practices. I still smile as I recall they guys there with their thick Brooklyn accents giving me tactical advice and regulations to cite. It was magical. When I would get to the airline counter and they would try to screw me once again I would mutter a few rule numbers and "screw you" became "yes sir, we can book you with another airline and we'll pay the difference." Those were the days. Then the wingnuts wrecked the government and now tell us how ineffective it is. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
This makes no sense to me. Control is control, regardless of who's doing it. So it's ok for your neighbor to tell you what you can or can't do, but not for that sap from Maine directing what you can or can't do? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:37 AM, mike wrote: Then the socialists should pick a better word. I'm speaking in broader terms keeping in mind the people the big O has surrounded himself with over his lifetime. I'm also talking about keeping the federal government from gaining even more control, keep these things within the states where it belongs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
I used to have a site for that engine bookmarked, but I can't find it now. And I can't remember what it's called so I can't search for it. But from what I remember they almost had it completed and were in the testing phase. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Constance Warner wrote: Well, my main point was that you really need to tell your congressperson and senators that you want GPS and other space programs to continue. If not, they will go away. (And we will all go away if, in 2036, the asteroid turns out to be headed straight for earth and we haven't spent the money to figure out how to deflect it and we haven't built the hardware to go up there and actually do it.) NASA is heavily dependent on political factors to get the funding for basic programs that you would think would need no justification. Like the national parks, they are chronically underfunded. (You would think that funding the national parks is another no-brainer, but they've suffered greatly during the last 8 years, and they weren't exactly rolling in the dough before that.) And I DO think the manned space program is important. I hope NASA-- or someone else--gets the funding to do the basic research to make more manned space flight possible, to the moon and and beyond. (For example, I've heard of work on an engine that would get to Mars in less than a quarter of a time than current hardware could. It's a step in the right direction.) Robots are great, but they are no substitute for humans. --Constance Warner On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Actually, there are quite a few reasons to be in space Constance, I might have missed something, but I didn't see anyone disagreeing with this. The disagreement is about the manned space program... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]
The reason that all the rest of the world who have universal health care has a 5% admin overhead and our non-universal health care has an admin overhead of 18-25% is exactly demonstrated by your experience with your wife's prescription... No matter how the world's varied universal health plans deal with private and public components, they all have one thing in common that enables them to operate with an average of 5% overhead. One set of everything: * They very simply cover everyone from cradle to grave, (no having to figure out who is covered)... Most cover everyone--including tourists, guests, visitors. Unlike in the US, their xenophobia doesn't extend to health care. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon [and solar flares]
There's one satellite--the Advanced Composition Explorer--that would give us 15 minutes of warning to another Carrington Event, but it's 11 years old and past its planned life span. (Of course, we would need some kind of emergency plan to shut off all transformers to save them; but if we didn't have the satellite to give 15 minutes of warning, no emergency plan would be possible.) I hate to sound like a broken record, but WRITE YOUR CONGRESSPERSONS and tell them that you want the space program to get funded. Without political support, the space program--or the good parts of it, anyway--will go away. Has Senator Barbara Mikulski supported legislation for this? She was instrumental in getting Hubble approved, into orbit and repaired when needed. A lot of this work has been done at Goddard and Hopkins APL in Maryland. What a mess. Bankrupting the federal government means that we might not be protected from a collision by an asteroid. What planet do the neo/cons live on! I'll call Sen. Mikulski's office. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
Here is my attempt to steer the topic toward some sort of computer relevancy. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/obamas-health-care-speech/ I will probably get bashed for suggesting factcheck.org but I like the idea of (a non-partisan, nonprofit website that describes itself as a "'consumer advocate' for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics.") quote stolen from wikipedia There is a paragraph regarding deficit, I won't quote it so I hope you enjoy reading. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 01:14:27PM -0400, TPiwowar wrote: > On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:06 PM Sep 11, Steve at Verizon wrote: >> But this is White House projections!!! See: > > That is a projection of the debt. What is the GDP increase expected to be > over the same period? > > I'll give you a hint: What is one divided by one, genius? > > About the only thing this discussion is proving is that cons/neocons are > idiots. No that is not name calling. It is just the objective fact. You > can't get your facts straight and you can't do simple math. > > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]
The reason that all the rest of the world who have universal health care has a 5% admin overhead and our non-universal health care has an admin overhead of 18-25% is exactly demonstrated by your experience with your wife's prescription. Most doctors in the US have more billing staff than they do medical staff and more time and delay is spent on sorting out the business of medicine than on the medicine itself. US health care has Veterans, Gov, Medicaid, Medicare and all the MANY insurance company's health plans and all the complexity that administrating so many disparate systems. US Health Care doesn't even cover everyone nor cover the same procedures nor cover anything at the same price. Doctors have to be able to do business with them all. No matter how the world's varied universal health plans deal with private and public components, they all have one thing in common that enables them to operate with an average of 5% overhead. One set of everything: * They very simply cover everyone from cradle to grave, (no having to figure out who is covered) * they use one coverage plan (rules) to govern all health care in the country. (No dealing with multiple systems) * they use one set of forms (Not buried in mystifying forms) * they use one list of medical procedures (No having to figure out what is allowed or covered) * they use one list of prices (sometimes adjusted regionally) (No haggling over the prices for every procedure) We could cover everyone in the US too for the difference between 5% and 18-25% overhead. But that % difference is currently going in the US to businesses that don't want to be cut out of their self determined and unregulated income train and they are spending millions and millions currently lobbying to make sure they are not. My medical plan is Group Health CoOp. The clinic building I go to is an architectural wonder with glass roof, art pieces everywhere, live trees in the lobby with outsourced maintenance and in the last 8 years the entire place ... a building less than 15 years old ... has been repainted, recarpeted and completely refurnished with new furniture twice. You might expect that of a high priced law firm but I bet even the high priced lawyers wouldn't go for such an ongoing waste of their potential resources in their firms. And when I use a lawyer, I don't use a fancy one in a high priced building downtown... why do I have to use and pay for a doctor in a building like that? And my experience is that when I was young I got better health care from our local doc and our local hospital than I do now with this Group Health bureaucratic monster... There is a new book out by T R Reid the Washington Post columnist. The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer /Health Care/" He went around the world investigating ALL the world's health plans and does a great job of dishing up that info in a easily understandable way. (Says essentially there are 4 different types around the world). Very informative... highly recommend it. db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: The problem in some areas is that they think people look act and think monolithic or homogeneous. I am not one who could really be called a liberal (Well if compared to a John Bircher maybe) I do not vote straight party tickets and normally do not vote Democratic (I vote based on Candidate) I do not agree with nor support all of Pres. Obama's initiatives. I just happen to be p0assionate about this one Topic Health care reform. I think most of what has been seen on public airwaves is disinformation from both sides and is political in nature. There is too much money involved from many sides to seriously look at helth care reform because way too many lobbyists have a vested interest. I just spent a half hour on the phone trying to get a prescription for my wife. This is not anew medication it is not an experimental medication it is one that is advertised on TV a lot. Problem is it is name brand and my prescription plan does not want to pay the bucks for her to have it. Because it hurts the bottom line. So I take out of my productivity to get the company to do what they have been paid to do, instead of circling their wagons and denying everything that is supposed to happen. (I am finding that they loose information and do not keep real good track of their phone logs.) This is the type of health care system we defend and cheer on and do not want to change? They have all sorts of electronic information in front of them and instead of making human decisions they allow the computer to make it for them and then do not stand behind it when pushed? How stupid. Stewart At 11:54 AM 9/9/2009, b_s-wilk wrote: I've met Paglia. Friends have attended her "classes". She's a phony, even more than Ayn Rand--at least Rand believed some of what she wrote [but didn't follow], while P
Re: [CGUYS] the moon [and solar flares]
I wouldn't bet on an iPod, or any other electronic device, working after an EMP in the vicinity. A solar flare, however, is a different kettle of fish. A historical case: in 1859, an unusually intense solar flare (the Carrington Event) induced high voltage in telegraph wires, disrupting the entire system, world-wide: sparks flew out of telegraph terminals and paper next to the terminals caught on fire. A lesser solar flare burned out transformers all over Quebec in 1989. A Carrington Event today would burn out EVERY transformer in the country, bringing the electrical grid to a screeching halt. The grid would not work again until the transformers were replaced, which would take months. Solar flares can also damage or destroy satellites--including GPS and communications satellites. There's one satellite--the Advanced Composition Explorer--that would give us 15 minutes of warning to another Carrington Event, but it's 11 years old and past its planned life span. (Of course, we would need some kind of emergency plan to shut off all transformers to save them; but if we didn't have the satellite to give 15 minutes of warning, no emergency plan would be possible.) I hate to sound like a broken record, but WRITE YOUR CONGRESSPERSONS and tell them that you want the space program to get funded. Without political support, the space program--or the good parts of it, anyway--will go away. You can also join the Planetary Society or similar associations, and be part of a group that keeps the pressure on. --Constance On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:17 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Actually, there are quite a few reasons to be in space. In addition to GPS, weather satellites, and warnings of solar flares [which, if large enough, can fry your iPod, your computer, and the entire electrical grid], the space program can warn about continent-killing asteroids. And, if we do enough research NOW, we can deflect the asteroid before it wipes out the entire eastern U.S. (or some other unlucky region) and plunges the world into something resembling nuclear winter. It doesn't take people being launched into space to protect us from asteroids. We can develop the technology to do it with robotics and rockets. Or we can launch someone to ride the asteroid, like the bomb in Dr. Strangelove. I can think of several people who would love to do that. Can an EMP fry my iPod? ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
Funny neither have you. We'll just decide those guys over there are idiots, and you are a moron...that's my clinical assessment. Play out your socialist fantasies elsewhere, it's hard enough dealing with your made up neomicrosofticon bogey men when you pretend to know something about computers. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:35 AM, TPiwowar wrote: > On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:47 AM Sep 11, mike wrote: > >> When they can't argue facts, the Democrats will argue spelling apparently. >> Or call names. >> > > You have not presented any facts, just lots of con/neocon fantasy > shibboleths. You have not been able to process any of the real-world facts > that have been presented nor do simple math. In this case use of the word > "idiot" is not name calling, it is an objective clinical assessment. You are > wasting everybody's time. > > > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:47 AM Sep 11, mike wrote: When they can't argue facts, the Democrats will argue spelling apparently. Or call names. You have not presented any facts, just lots of con/neocon fantasy shibboleths. You have not been able to process any of the real-world facts that have been presented nor do simple math. In this case use of the word "idiot" is not name calling, it is an objective clinical assessment. You are wasting everybody's time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears
> > Date:Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:12:26 -0400 > From:"Gail.Miller" > Subject: Outlook Express Disappears > > Hello. > I need your help. Yesterday my computer rebooted itself unexpectedly. And > when it was all ready to go again, there was no Outlook Express. Moreover, I > couldn't find it in the Program Files or by going to add or remove programs. > So I did a system restore to the previous day. There it was as expected. > Then last night it rebooted itself again, and same thing. I have now done > another system restore to the same restore point as before and again, all is > well. > > What I want to do is find out where the OE.exe (or whatever it's called) is > located so I can find it manually next time this happens. I've tried adding > a new icon to the desktop but when I go to Outlook Express can't find > oe.exe -- the closest I've come is wab.exe. Will that do it? > > Beyond that, what can be happening to OE during this mysterious reboot? > > As always, thanks so much in advance for all your help! > Gail Miller If memory serves, OE is really a subset of Internet Explorer. That said, I'm willing to guess you have a piece of mail that may have corrupt or malicious html code in it. How is your IE working? I always hated html mail. Heck, before I retired, the "Office " disabled all rich text & html formatting at the Exchange Server because of the potential for harm from malicious code delivered via email. YMMV - - - No man is exempt from saying silly things; the mischief is to say them deliberately. - Michel de Montaigne * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears
I don't know what's happening on your system, but Outlook Express is msimn.exe. > -Original Message- > From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] > On Behalf Of Gail.Miller > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:12 PM > To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > Subject: [CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears > What I want to do is find out where the OE.exe (or whatever it's called) is > located so I can find it manually next time this happens. I've tried adding > a new icon to the desktop but when I go to Outlook Express can't find > oe.exe -- the closest I've come is wab.exe. Will that do it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:06 PM Sep 11, Steve at Verizon wrote: But this is White House projections!!! See: That is a projection of the debt. What is the GDP increase expected to be over the same period? I'll give you a hint: What is one divided by one, genius? About the only thing this discussion is proving is that cons/neocons are idiots. No that is not name calling. It is just the objective fact. You can't get your facts straight and you can't do simple math. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...
Thanks Jennifer, I imagine this will take care of the issue... and must have been what I remember seeing something about. Not necessary with normal email servers but Google's seems to keep track of which mails were accessed ... and doesn't dish them out again ... even if they weren't removed from the server by the first access. I guess that is because no email is actually ever removed from Gmail unless you do it by deletion? db Jennifer Hiebert wrote: I may misunderstand you, but are you looking for the Gmail "recent mode"? See http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=47948 --Using POP on multiple clients or mobile devices Jennifer Hiebert On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:42 AM, db wrote: Yes... there is something going on... intentionally by design I think. And it keeps me from doing things I occasionally want to / need to do. If I knew what it was... that might be the first part of a fix/ workaround. db Paula Minor wrote: Now that you are all talking about this, I realized I've had problems with it too. I can send an email from my gmail acct to my gmail account all from Apple Mail with no problem. But if I send that message out and happen to check my mail on my laptop instead of the desk computer, I can no longer download it to my desk machine even tho the laptop is set to never remove messages from the server. And some msgs I've sent on my iPhone to myself never showed up. I"m glad I'm not alone. Paula US/IN raven880atindy.net I'm now at the age where I've got to prove that I'm just as good as I never was.Rex Harrison * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
Sounds like here when you...'discuss' computer topics with Tom. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: > > > And as far as name-calling goes, I'm a regular poster on several > conservative forums. If I had a buck for every time I've been called a > moron, an idiot, a dimwit, a troll, or a retard, I could retire > today. Name-calling is the specialite de la maison at many of those places. > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears
Hello. I need your help. Yesterday my computer rebooted itself unexpectedly. And when it was all ready to go again, there was no Outlook Express. Moreover, I couldn't find it in the Program Files or by going to add or remove programs. So I did a system restore to the previous day. There it was as expected. Then last night it rebooted itself again, and same thing. I have now done another system restore to the same restore point as before and again, all is well. What I want to do is find out where the OE.exe (or whatever it's called) is located so I can find it manually next time this happens. I've tried adding a new icon to the desktop but when I go to Outlook Express can't find oe.exe -- the closest I've come is wab.exe. Will that do it? Beyond that, what can be happening to OE during this mysterious reboot? As always, thanks so much in advance for all your help! Gail Miller * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: An 11.4 Trillion National Debt represents government living wayy beyond its means. Nonesense. What are you comparing that number to? Your pay check? Properly you look at it as percent of GDP. A proper analysis is here: http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP-L.gif The chart shows that the national Debt was MUCH higher in the 40s and 50s. You should also note that the USA survived the 40s and 50s just fine. This chart also shows that the run up in the National Debt was inherited by the current administration and that they have increased it by just a tiny amount. When you consider what a mess they are up against that increase is perfectly reasonable. The alternative would be far worse. The best way to pay down the debt is to get the economy going again. Note that Clinton did precisely that. You just do not have your facts straight and your analysis is piss poor. The two main reasons that the national debt is up this year, aside from the financial incompetence and theft of the previous administration, are that all the costs of two wars [including war profiteers] and GWOT are now listed in the budget. Those items--well over $1 trillion--along with the deliberate run-up of debt to bankrupt the US Treasury by Reagan-Bush-Bush policies represent almost all of the national debt. The remaining amounts are the funds being used to repair the financial damage, and to provide programs for people, rather than corporations, for a change. The lowest point in the debt graph was Carter's last budget that ran into the first year of Reagan's administration. After that first year, the debt "lurched" upward, in a planned policy to bankrupt the middle class as well as the US government [see David Stockman's book, The Triumph of Politics: Why the Reagan Revolution Failed, and Grover Norquist's goal to drown the federal government, i.e. "Starve the Beast"]. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
Actually, there are quite a few reasons to be in space. In addition to GPS, weather satellites, and warnings of solar flares [which, if large enough, can fry your iPod, your computer, and the entire electrical grid], the space program can warn about continent-killing asteroids. And, if we do enough research NOW, we can deflect the asteroid before it wipes out the entire eastern U.S. (or some other unlucky region) and plunges the world into something resembling nuclear winter. It doesn't take people being launched into space to protect us from asteroids. We can develop the technology to do it with robotics and rockets. Or we can launch someone to ride the asteroid, like the bomb in Dr. Strangelove. I can think of several people who would love to do that. Can an EMP fry my iPod? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Obama claims that nationalizing health care will create jobs. The only jobs that will be created are government jobs. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Government produces no wealth and adds absolutely nothing to the gross national product. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Obama claims that nationalizing health care will reduce the deficit. It's a lie, plain and simple. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: He can't be that stupid to think increasing the national debt by 9 trillion dollars reduces the debt, the deficit or will balance the budget. We have a segment of our population who must never have studied math...those numbers don't add up. But this is White House projections!!! See: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090825/bs_nm/us_obama_budget You jump from one outrageous lie to another. None of the above is true or makes any sense. And you pile it on deeper and deeper. Is this the tactic of the Big Lie? Do you think you can just tire us out by shoveling more and more manure onto the pile? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
> When they can't argue facts, the Democrats will argue spelling apparently. > Or call names. Come on, Mike. First, facts HAVE been argued here, rather extensively. Second, "Democrat party" -IS- name-calling. It's intentional and demeaning. Wikipedia characterizes it as an "epithet". Joseph McCarthy used it repeatedly. The intent was to try to emphasize that the Democratic Party was no longer democratic (small d). When you use it, either it's intentional or it demonstrates ignorance of the correct name of one of the two major American political parties. Either way, it provides information about the person using it and how seriously such a person needs to be taken. And as far as name-calling goes, I'm a regular poster on several conservative forums. If I had a buck for every time I've been called a moron, an idiot, a dimwit, a troll, or a retard, I could retire today. Name-calling is the specialite de la maison at many of those places. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
It's all ok, Geithner and O are asking congress to raise the debt ceiling to 12t. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: > t.piwowar wrote: > >> On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: >> >>> An 11.4 Trillion National Debt represents government living wayy >>> beyond its means. >>> >> >> Nonesense. What are you comparing that number to? Your pay check? Properly >> you look at it as percent of GDP. A proper analysis is here: >> http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP-L.gif >> > This was the Bush party line when he grew the National Debt. > >> >> The chart shows that the national Debt was MUCH higher in the 40s and 50s. >> You should also note that the USA survived the 40s and 50s just fine. >> > The problem with the huge national debt is that it will soon become the > largest item in the federal budget. That was not the case back in the 40s > and 50s. > > > http://www.federalbudget.com/ > > I agree with you that the previous administration ( which included 2 years > of a Democratic Congress) was fiscally irresponsible and ran up the National > Debt. I condemn that profligate spending. > But the party fully in charge now has quadrupled the budget deficits which > will drive up the National Debt unless they enact massive tax increases. > >> >> This chart also shows that the run up in the National Debt was inherited >> by the current administration and that they have increased it by just a tiny >> amount. When you consider what a mess they are up against that increase is >> perfectly reasonable. The alternative would be far worse. The best way to >> pay down the debt is to get the economy going again. >> > Again, the was the Bush mantra for his excessive spending. > >> Note that Clinton did precisely that. >> > > Don't forget that Clinton had a Republican Congress to somewhat restrain > growth in spending (before they went hogwild with Bush). And most of the > gusher of revenue during the short surplus period was due to capital gains > from the skyrocketing stock market whose underlying values were phony. > Remember the tech bubble and Enron? > > >> You just do not have your facts straight and your analysis is piss poor. >> >> >> * >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >> * >> >> >> > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Actually, I am a liberal concerning airline deregulation. It opened inexpensive air travel to the masses. Competition brought us Peoples Express (remember them?) and then SW and Jet Blue. Granted, flying in coach today is much like taking the bus as far as amenities. I remember flying before 1978. A round trip to the coast was over $1000, and that was in 1970s dollars. And it was for the elite and businessmen primarily. Today you can go to the coast with Jet Blue for $500. I will grant you that some regulations may be needed to solve the horrors of 8 hour waits on the runway. Jeff Miles wrote: I don't question who did it. While I sound like a liberal most of the time, I blame the democrats as much as the conservatives most of the time. Stupid ideas see no political bias. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:50 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote: If you are referring to the deregulation of the airline industry, the wingnuts who did it were Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Congress. See the 1978 Airline Deregulation Act. t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 2:28 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: You obviously don't pay any attention. Flying 20 years ago was as affordable as it is today. Very true,except that today we have more information about fares. You only get less for your $ today. Today they can abuse their customers with impunity. They can leave you sitting in a plane with overflowing toilets for 12 hours and laugh about it. Back when I was a kid I recall calling the NY office of the CAB several times about abusive airline practices. I still smile as I recall they guys there with their thick Brooklyn accents giving me tactical advice and regulations to cite. It was magical. When I would get to the airline counter and they would try to screw me once again I would mutter a few rule numbers and "screw you" became "yes sir, we can book you with another airline and we'll pay the difference." Those were the days. Then the wingnuts wrecked the government and now tell us how ineffective it is. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: An 11.4 Trillion National Debt represents government living wayy beyond its means. Nonesense. What are you comparing that number to? Your pay check? Properly you look at it as percent of GDP. A proper analysis is here: http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP-L.gif This was the Bush party line when he grew the National Debt. The chart shows that the national Debt was MUCH higher in the 40s and 50s. You should also note that the USA survived the 40s and 50s just fine. The problem with the huge national debt is that it will soon become the largest item in the federal budget. That was not the case back in the 40s and 50s. http://www.federalbudget.com/ I agree with you that the previous administration ( which included 2 years of a Democratic Congress) was fiscally irresponsible and ran up the National Debt. I condemn that profligate spending. But the party fully in charge now has quadrupled the budget deficits which will drive up the National Debt unless they enact massive tax increases. This chart also shows that the run up in the National Debt was inherited by the current administration and that they have increased it by just a tiny amount. When you consider what a mess they are up against that increase is perfectly reasonable. The alternative would be far worse. The best way to pay down the debt is to get the economy going again. Again, the was the Bush mantra for his excessive spending. Note that Clinton did precisely that. Don't forget that Clinton had a Republican Congress to somewhat restrain growth in spending (before they went hogwild with Bush). And most of the gusher of revenue during the short surplus period was due to capital gains from the skyrocketing stock market whose underlying values were phony. Remember the tech bubble and Enron? You just do not have your facts straight and your analysis is piss poor. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Word/Excel merge problem
Have you tried saving it in an older format for import? Stewart At 10:00 AM 9/11/2009, you wrote: My wife emailed me an Excel database to merge into mailing labels. She is running Office 2008 on her MacBook Pro running 10.5. I am running Office X on my iMac running 10.4.11. I can open the file in Excel, but when I try to open it for a merge through Word, Word crashes. Do I need to upgrade my version of Office or is there a work around? I only do this mailing list twice a year. Other than that my main use of Office is to open documents others have sent me Thanks, Steve P.S. - I do have an unused/legal licensed copy of Office 2008 that I can install. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
I was replying to the complaints about how horrible flying was today and how much better it was when it used to be federally regulated. I was just pointing out who did the deregulation. t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:50 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: If you are referring to the deregulation of the airline industry, the wingnuts who did it were Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Congress. See the 1978 Airline Deregulation Act. Are we talking policy or are you starting a Jimmy Carter fan club here? It is impossible to keep you on topic and making a logical progression from one fact to the next. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Word/Excel merge problem
First thing that comes to mind: Try exporting it to a .csv (or something) and merging that. Or have her send you a .csv. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: > My wife emailed me an Excel database to merge into mailing labels. She is > running Office 2008 on her MacBook Pro running 10.5. I am running Office X > on my iMac running 10.4.11. I can open the file in Excel, but when I try to > open it for a merge through Word, Word crashes. Do I need to upgrade my > version of Office or is there a work around? I only do this mailing list > twice a year. Other than that my main use of Office is to open documents > others have sent me * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Word/Excel merge problem
My wife emailed me an Excel database to merge into mailing labels. She is running Office 2008 on her MacBook Pro running 10.5. I am running Office X on my iMac running 10.4.11. I can open the file in Excel, but when I try to open it for a merge through Word, Word crashes. Do I need to upgrade my version of Office or is there a work around? I only do this mailing list twice a year. Other than that my main use of Office is to open documents others have sent me Thanks, Steve P.S. - I do have an unused/legal licensed copy of Office 2008 that I can install. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Keyboard problem
b_s-wilk wrote: I agree that you probably need a new keyboard. Now that you have nothing to lose, open the keyboard and try to fix it yourself anyway. Betty Yes! I am that kind of person. I'll have to see if I can do it more gently than the guy in the link you gave. Heating it up a but will help. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
When they can't argue facts, the Democrats will argue spelling apparently. Or call names. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:42 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: > Jeff Morris escribió: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnc0CeUT-Lc There is an old saying, >> and judging by the posts on here it is 100% accurate: You can't >> reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. >> Too many people are partisan without ever really thinking about >> things. >> > ...blah...blah...blah... > >> Corrupt from top to bottom, the Obama administration and the democrat >> party is. >> > > > There is no democrat party. There is a Democratic Party. > > Do you have an intelligent point to make if you don't know the name of a > major US political party? > > That closes this thread. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
http://fora.tv/2009/02/04/Neil_deGrasse_Tyson_The_Pluto_Files#fullprogram Chapter 18 is especially interesting. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Constance Warner wrote: > Well, my main point was that you really need to tell your congressperson > and senators that you want GPS and other space programs to continue. If > not, they will go away. (And we will all go away if, in 2036, the asteroid > turns out to be headed straight for earth and we haven't spent the money to > figure out how to deflect it and we haven't built the hardware to go up > there and actually do it.) > > NASA is heavily dependent on political factors to get the funding for basic > programs that you would think would need no justification. Like the > national parks, they are chronically underfunded. (You would think that > funding the national parks is another no-brainer, but they've suffered > greatly during the last 8 years, and they weren't exactly rolling in the > dough before that.) > > And I DO think the manned space program is important. I hope NASA--or > someone else--gets the funding to do the basic research to make more manned > space flight possible, to the moon and and beyond. (For example, I've heard > of work on an engine that would get to Mars in less than a quarter of a time > than current hardware could. It's a step in the right direction.) > > Robots are great, but they are no substitute for humans. > > --Constance Warner > > On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: > > Actually, there are quite a few reasons to be in space >>> >> >> Constance, I might have missed something, but I didn't see anyone >> disagreeing with this. The disagreement is about the manned space program... >> >> >> * >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >> * >> > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Keyboard problem
On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Jordan wrote: The nice Apple keyboard that I use on the iMac has a problem. The cde and 3 keys have stopped working. Is there anything I can tinker with that might fix this? It's a couple years old, but does anyone think Apple will do anything for me on this? CDE not working suggests that it is the matrix wire that serves that row of keys. You may be able to get inside to reseat a ribbon cable, but it probably won't be easy. Problem could be electronics and definitely not fixable. New one is $50 and a very nice keyboard it is. Third-party keyboards are $20. I agree that you probably need a new keyboard. Now that you have nothing to lose, open the keyboard and try to fix it yourself anyway. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
Jeff Morris escribió: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnc0CeUT-Lc There is an old saying, and judging by the posts on here it is 100% accurate: You can't reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. Too many people are partisan without ever really thinking about things. ...blah...blah...blah... Corrupt from top to bottom, the Obama administration and the democrat party is. There is no democrat party. There is a Democratic Party. Do you have an intelligent point to make if you don't know the name of a major US political party? That closes this thread. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Then the socialists should pick a better word. I'm speaking in broader terms keeping in mind the people the big O has surrounded himself with over his lifetime. I'm also talking about keeping the federal government from gaining even more control, keep these things within the states where it belongs. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: > > *. . . a socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom. > > Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object > > worship of the state. It will prescribe for every one where they are to > > work, what they are to work at, where they may go and what they may say. > > Socialism is an attack on the right to breathe freely. No socialist > system > > can be established without a political police. They would have to fall > back > > on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first > > instance > > > > Winston Churchill > > * > > Oh, dear. I'm afraid you've just stepped in it, Mike. That's a postwar > campaign quote, a broadside from Churchill's 15-inch oratorical guns, aimed > squarely at Clement Attlee. It was hyperbole, and it > cost him dearly. Attlee responded by thanking Churchill for providing a > clear demonstration of the difference between a great wartime leader and a > typical peacetime politician. > > In fact, the British National Health Service originated from a report > commissioned by the WW2 Churchill government--a report that Churchill > endorsed and would have implemented had he not been voted > out of office in 1945. Instead, Attlee's government implemented it in 1948. > When Churchill returned to power in 1951, he could easily have scrapped it, > and many in the Conservative Party wanted him to > do just that. He did not; on the contrary, he increased its funding. (As > did Margaret Thatcher, by the way, the very Toriest of modern Tories.) > > Here's a pre-campaign Churchill quote that shows his position far more > accurately, from 1944. Note clearly the final sentence. In the future you > will want to avoid citing Churchill on this. He > understood the difference between a Marxist regime and the provision of > critical social programs by a democratic government--a distinction that > seems to escape so many American conservatives. > > "The discoveries of healing science must be the inheritance of all. That is > clear. Disease must be attacked, whether it occurs in the poorest or the > richest man or woman simply on the ground that it > is the enemy; and it must be attacked just in the same way as the fire > brigade will give its full assistance to the humblest cottage as readily as > to the most important mansion. Our policy is to > create a national health service in order to ensure that everybody in the > country, irrespective of means, age, sex, or occupation, shall have equal > opportunities to benefit from the best and most > up-to-date medical and allied services available." > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
I do something similar every time I upgrade or reload. I love my Eudora. Until they come out with something that works as well and as easy. I will not change. Stewart At 09:13 AM 9/11/2009, you wrote: Eudora works fine on all versions of windows up thru Windows 7 ultimate. I just re-install Eudora on the new machine in the same directory where it was installed on the old one. I use C:\eudora or D:\eudora and then don't start it. I then overwrite all the files in my eudora directory with the old one and all of my messages and settings are fine. Eudora has so many neat features that Outlook or the sucessor to Eudora is supposed to have that I have resigned myself to not screw with what works. Rich Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
Well, my main point was that you really need to tell your congressperson and senators that you want GPS and other space programs to continue. If not, they will go away. (And we will all go away if, in 2036, the asteroid turns out to be headed straight for earth and we haven't spent the money to figure out how to deflect it and we haven't built the hardware to go up there and actually do it.) NASA is heavily dependent on political factors to get the funding for basic programs that you would think would need no justification. Like the national parks, they are chronically underfunded. (You would think that funding the national parks is another no-brainer, but they've suffered greatly during the last 8 years, and they weren't exactly rolling in the dough before that.) And I DO think the manned space program is important. I hope NASA-- or someone else--gets the funding to do the basic research to make more manned space flight possible, to the moon and and beyond. (For example, I've heard of work on an engine that would get to Mars in less than a quarter of a time than current hardware could. It's a step in the right direction.) Robots are great, but they are no substitute for humans. --Constance Warner On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Actually, there are quite a few reasons to be in space Constance, I might have missed something, but I didn't see anyone disagreeing with this. The disagreement is about the manned space program... ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
Eudora works fine on all versions of windows up thru Windows 7 ultimate. I just re-install Eudora on the new machine in the same directory where it was installed on the old one. I use C:\eudora or D:\eudora and then don't start it. I then overwrite all the files in my eudora directory with the old one and all of my messages and settings are fine. Eudora has so many neat features that Outlook or the sucessor to Eudora is supposed to have that I have resigned myself to not screw with what works. Rich At 09:43 AM 9/11/2009, you wrote: Date:Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:26:56 -0500 From:"Rev. Stewart Marshall" Subject: Re: Eudora HUH? I have Eudora running non my Vista laptop. It works fine so far. Very good piece if software. Qualcomm decided it can make more money suing Nokia and developing Cell phone stuff. Stewart Date:Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:27:03 -0700 From:Mike Subject: Re: Eudora At 02:27 AM 9/11/2009, you wrote: You aren't required to, but don't expect software created ten years ago to run on brand new systems. If you want to keep using eudora you better keep that old version of windows or mac handy. Sent from my iPod * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
> *. . . a socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom. > Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object > worship of the state. It will prescribe for every one where they are to > work, what they are to work at, where they may go and what they may say. > Socialism is an attack on the right to breathe freely. No socialist system > can be established without a political police. They would have to fall back > on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first > instance > > Winston Churchill > * Oh, dear. I'm afraid you've just stepped in it, Mike. That's a postwar campaign quote, a broadside from Churchill's 15-inch oratorical guns, aimed squarely at Clement Attlee. It was hyperbole, and it cost him dearly. Attlee responded by thanking Churchill for providing a clear demonstration of the difference between a great wartime leader and a typical peacetime politician. In fact, the British National Health Service originated from a report commissioned by the WW2 Churchill government--a report that Churchill endorsed and would have implemented had he not been voted out of office in 1945. Instead, Attlee's government implemented it in 1948. When Churchill returned to power in 1951, he could easily have scrapped it, and many in the Conservative Party wanted him to do just that. He did not; on the contrary, he increased its funding. (As did Margaret Thatcher, by the way, the very Toriest of modern Tories.) Here's a pre-campaign Churchill quote that shows his position far more accurately, from 1944. Note clearly the final sentence. In the future you will want to avoid citing Churchill on this. He understood the difference between a Marxist regime and the provision of critical social programs by a democratic government--a distinction that seems to escape so many American conservatives. "The discoveries of healing science must be the inheritance of all. That is clear. Disease must be attacked, whether it occurs in the poorest or the richest man or woman simply on the ground that it is the enemy; and it must be attacked just in the same way as the fire brigade will give its full assistance to the humblest cottage as readily as to the most important mansion. Our policy is to create a national health service in order to ensure that everybody in the country, irrespective of means, age, sex, or occupation, shall have equal opportunities to benefit from the best and most up-to-date medical and allied services available." * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
> Actually, there are quite a few reasons to be in space Constance, I might have missed something, but I didn't see anyone disagreeing with this. The disagreement is about the manned space program... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
I imagine it's like watching and old black and white of Gilligan's Island on a big 65 inch HDTV. :p On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote: > HUH? > > I have Eudora running non my Vista laptop. > > It works fine so far. > > Very good piece if software. > Qualcomm decided it can make more money suing Nokia and developing Cell > phone stuff. > > Stewart > > > At 02:27 AM 9/11/2009, you wrote: > >> You aren't required to, but don't expect software created ten years >> ago to run on brand new systems. If you want to keep using eudora you >> better keep that old version of windows or mac handy. >> >> Sent from my iPod >> > > Rev. Stewart A. Marshall > mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net > Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org > Ozark, AL SL 82 > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
HUH? I have Eudora running non my Vista laptop. It works fine so far. Very good piece if software. Qualcomm decided it can make more money suing Nokia and developing Cell phone stuff. Stewart At 02:27 AM 9/11/2009, you wrote: You aren't required to, but don't expect software created ten years ago to run on brand new systems. If you want to keep using eudora you better keep that old version of windows or mac handy. Sent from my iPod Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
Actually, there are quite a few reasons to be in space. In addition to GPS, weather satellites, and warnings of solar flares [which, if large enough, can fry your iPod, your computer, and the entire electrical grid], the space program can warn about continent-killing asteroids. And, if we do enough research NOW, we can deflect the asteroid before it wipes out the entire eastern U.S. (or some other unlucky region) and plunges the world into something resembling nuclear winter. For example, check out this zippy presentation about an asteroid that's going to be very, VERY near earth in 2029 and 2036: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/03/planetdefense/ For a more scientific treatment, try this webpage: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/apophis/ AFAIK, the only telescope that's capable of tracking near-earth asteroids is the big one at Arecibo, and it's having trouble getting funded. This is just one example of congressmen who want brownie points for cutting "unnecessary" spending, being penny-wise and pound foolish.Here's another example: the space station, where not much science is getting done by the three-person crew. And why only three people? Because some congressman back in 2001 or so decided he would save big bucks by cutting funding for the space lifeboat that would carry a larger crew to safety, if anything went seriously wrong with the space station. The only way to get the crew off now in an emergency is by a Russian Soyuz capsule. Maximum capacity: three people. So there is a skeleton crew of three on the space station, and that's just about enough for basic maintenance and housekeeping. A three-person crew is not, however, enough for doing a lot of science, which was the basic reason for having the space station in the first place. I have family and friends working at NASA, and boy do I hear about this kind of thing. When funding gets approved for a given project, the scientists and technicians go at it hell-for-leather, in an attempt to get the project off the ground--literally--before the funding gets cut by some grandstanding congressman who's trying to get reelected. BOTTOM LINE: If you like your GPS or your weather forecasts, better let your congressman and senators know. Otherwise, the GPS may go bye-bye. And if funding for tracking and for R & D to deflect near-earth asteroids gets cut, YOU might not be around long enough to miss it. P.S.: Spirit and Opportunity are not self-guiding, decision-making robots. They are operated from earth. The next generation of landers will have more advanced robotics on board--if the funding doesn't get cut. --Constance Warner * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Socialism is a word like any other, a construct of humans and governments. Neither good nor bad, Tom is being mighty ignorant here since both the nazi and soviets called themselves and acted in great part in a socialistic way. Then of course you can discuss the merits of the pseudo socialism of the UK or canada etc. Historically the United States however has been opposed to this kind of central governmental control even though for the last hundred years we've been lurching towards it. The problem comes in that the reality of socialism more often then not takes a negative form. I know lefties like Tom won't understand, but those who do not support socialism, do not because personal freedom is more important then collective bondage. *. . . a socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom. Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object worship of the state. It will prescribe for every one where they are to work, what they are to work at, where they may go and what they may say. Socialism is an attack on the right to breathe freely. No socialist system can be established without a political police. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance Winston Churchill * On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:03 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: > >> Nah, it's pretty much socialism when the Stupid Party does it too. >> > > > "Socialism" is simply "opposition to the untrammeled workings of the > economic market." Most of the world embraces "socialism." "Socialism" is a > good and virtuous thing. Anyone who does not support "socialism" is either > evil or a nut job. Which one are you? > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
where's my flint? --- On Fri, 9/11/09, t.piwowar wrote: Why don't we still live in caves and bang rocks together to make tools? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
And people are just figuring this out. You'd figure not being able to make a house payment on a house they couldn't afford in the first place would have been a big clue. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:56 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote: Profit, no, but break even has a certain appeal. An 11.4 Trillion National Debt represents government living wayy beyond its means. t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: How about if they break even? That would be a hoot. What does that mean? You could try to make sense from time to time. That would really be a hoot. "Profit" and "break even" are not useful concepts for thinking about how governments work. Any discussion built around those concepts will be illogical. you wast our time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
You aren't required to, but don't expect software created ten years ago to run on brand new systems. If you want to keep using eudora you better keep that old version of windows or mac handy. Sent from my iPod On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:46 PM, One Man wrote: What's wrong with familiarity? why should users be required to learn yet more s/w when they're already comfortable with what they're familiar? Yes, call me a curmudgeon. --- On Thu, 9/10/09, t.piwowar wrote: From: t.piwowar Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 11:11 PM On Sep 7, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Marcio wrote: Hmmm I am considering this...going Gmail. But will I find all that Eudore offers? As time goes on I find that software does get smarter and better as developers understand tasks better (except for M$ Office). New software may do things differently, but the change is typically worthwhile. For example I find Apple's mail or GMail to be entirely adequate. Exactly what is so complicated about email that nothing but Eudora will suffice for your needs? *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
Are you sure about this? I know it takes 20+ minutes to send a command to the rovers, but I also was sure they just sat there till they got those commands. Computers aren't at all bright. I wouldn't trust a multi-million dollar space rover to Windows? I wouldn't even trust it to a Mac. From what I understood, every command had to be sent from Earth. No commands received and they just sat there. I do follow them from the NASA website. I'm a space junkie. Where's my booster pipe? I also have the NASA channel playing most every day. That is until it goes into reruns and I move over to the History channels. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:00 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Wow, when did Spirit and Opportunity learn to work on their own? I wonder if the people who get paid to drive them know this. If they are working on there own, what do you think they're thinking? "There's a rock, let's flip it over." Or maybe, "damn it's dusty today." Or maybe, "Hey Opportunity, find anything interesting yet?" "Nope, I got stuck in a crater for a bit though." "Speaking of that, hows the foot?" "Oh, what a drag." Yes, Jeff, the Mars rovers have been programmed to do simple analyses of their situation and environment. Since it takes something like 20 minutes for a command to be sent from the Earth to Mars, the rovers could fall off a cliff if they weren't programmed to recognize local conditions and proceed with caution. One or both of them got stuck in sand and had to maneuver in order to get out. Opportunity is now at the edge of a huge crater, descending to take samples. Could be more treacherous if it couldn't maneuver without direct orders from JPL. NASA channel has videos from Mars fairly often. So cool. Almost like being there. http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/video/spirit01.html http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/video/opportunity01.html Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Wealth in the us
I kind of liked the government produces no wealth statement. If it didn't where do you think many of the millionaires would be living, and would they be millionaires? Remember the us government is us. We create these people and all of these things. Wow, just thinking here, but if it weren't for the us government we'd have no Star Wars series, no Macs or PCs. We'd probably all be standing in line for zeppelins or still eating at the local pub every night. That's a reference to the English. I'm English so I can make fun of them. nough said, out for a fag. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:27 PM, t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Obama claims that nationalizing health care will create jobs. The only jobs that will be created are government jobs. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Government produces no wealth and adds absolutely nothing to the gross national product. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Obama claims that nationalizing health care will reduce the deficit. It's a lie, plain and simple. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: He can't be that stupid to think increasing the national debt by 9 trillion dollars reduces the debt, the deficit or will balance the budget. We have a segment of our population who must never have studied math...those numbers don't add up. You jump from one outrageous lie to another. None of the above is true or makes any sense. And you pile it on deeper and deeper. Is this the tactic of the Big Lie? Do you think you can just tire us out by shoveling more and more manure onto the pile? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
