Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:46 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: It is insane to think that a faceless corporate bureaucrat is better than a faceless federal bureaucrat. Unless, of course, you are a 100% pure and unadulterated capitalist, closed minded to any alternative. In order to remain completely loyal and obedient to that system, one must routinely overlook and/or dismiss the horror stories that so often emanate from the money world. The plundering, the Bernie Madoff's, the ongoing banking and financial debacle, Wall Street crimes and misdeeds, etc., etc., etc. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
On Sep 17, 2009, at 6:13 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The plundering, the Bernie Madoff's, the ongoing banking and financial debacle, Wall Street crimes and misdeeds, etc., etc., etc. Steve *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 6:13 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The plundering, the Bernie Madoff's, the ongoing banking and financial debacle, Wall Street crimes and misdeeds, etc., etc., etc. Steve Yes, I did write that. Do you find it to be objectionable or untrue? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
No, I accidentally hit the send button on my iPod touch. What I do find is that one side only mentions the problems with the other side. For every Madoff there is a government bureaucrat like Geithner ripping us off. For every wall street banker there are guys like Ted Stevens or Charlie Rangel. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:18 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 6:13 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The plundering, the Bernie Madoff's, the ongoing banking and financial debacle, Wall Street crimes and misdeeds, etc., etc., etc. Steve Yes, I did write that. Do you find it to be objectionable or untrue? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:30 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: No, I accidentally hit the send button on my iPod touch. What I do find is that one side only mentions the problems with the other side. For every Madoff there is a government bureaucrat like Geithner ripping us off. For every wall street banker there are guys like Ted Stevens or Charlie Rangel. I basically agree with you. Citizens have to remain alert for misdeeds on the part of both government and the private sector. That is why it is silly when folks call for the government to butt out of almost everything in favor of having the private sector do all the providing. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
Ummm.. Equating thousands to billions? --- On Thu, 9/17/09, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: From: mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870) To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 10:30 AM No, I accidentally hit the send button on my iPod touch. What I do find is that one side only mentions the problems with the other side. For every Madoff there is a government bureaucrat like Geithner ripping us off. For every wall street banker there are guys like Ted Stevens or Charlie Rangel. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:18 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 6:13 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The plundering, the Bernie Madoff's, the ongoing banking and financial debacle, Wall Street crimes and misdeeds, etc., etc., etc. Steve Yes, I did write that. Do you find it to be objectionable or untrue? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
You need to read more. Geithner is monetizing our debt and Obama and team want to raise our debt ceiling again, this has been done several times by both parties. This isn't about some hated neocon vs liberal wackos, this is both parties ripping us off. The fed which can print money on command it seems, printed and bought 7 billion in debt from the US Government. So we have the debt ceiling over 12 trillion, which is more then thousands...and we are monetizing our debt into the billions..also more then thousands. Some want to keep arguing left vs right, this is a distraction and keeps those screwing us happy because it keeps the spotlight off what they are doing. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:21 AM, chad evans wyatt cewyattph...@yahoo.comwrote: Ummm.. Equating thousands to billions? --- On Thu, 9/17/09, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: From: mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870) To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 10:30 AM No, I accidentally hit the send button on my iPod touch. What I do find is that one side only mentions the problems with the other side. For every Madoff there is a government bureaucrat like Geithner ripping us off. For every wall street banker there are guys like Ted Stevens or Charlie Rangel. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:18 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 6:13 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The plundering, the Bernie Madoff's, the ongoing banking and financial debacle, Wall Street crimes and misdeeds, etc., etc., etc. Steve Yes, I did write that. Do you find it to be objectionable or untrue? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
What I do find is that one side only mentions the problems with the other side. For every Madoff there is a government bureaucrat like Geithner ripping us off. For every wall street banker there are guys like Ted Stevens or Charlie Rangel. Actually, what I think is that each side either doesn't see or doesn't notice when the other side criticizes one of its own. I've seen plenty of If Rangel did what they say, he's got to go on liberal sites. Same thing with ACORN. The general liberal position I'm seeing is, ACORN didn't mess with the 2008 election in any significant way (as conservatives believe), but saying that that doesn't mean that I support everything they do. These videos show some outrageous behavior that needs to be addressed, pronto. Five people at ACORN were involved in the videos. They were fired. While they behaved wrongly, many others at ACORN were also set up and filmed illegally, and the employees in other offices called the police when the fake posers became too aggressive and refused to leave. Individuals did the wrong thing and were punished, however, blaming ACORN and trying to shut them down, when what they do is help poor, mostly African American, people, is disingenuous. Instead of blaming the cleanup guy, Geithner, why not go back further to charge other government bureaucrats like Goldman Sachs' Hank Paulson who handed out money to his friends on Wall Street without requiring any accountability. Paulson is an example of a government bureaucrat who also is a capitalist Wall Street banker--at the same time. Go back a bit further and charge Billy Tauzin who fought for a Medicare prescription drug bill that prohibited negotiating with drug companies, while taking lots of money from Pharma, then immediately leaving to head Pharma. Then there's Dick Cheney whose holdings in Halliburton and related industries were directly related to his actions as VP. Yesterday Max Baucus emerged from committee to present a health insurance proposal that's more friendly to private insurance companies and Pharma than to the American people, while taking over $6 million from the private health care industry over the past 6 years. There are many more examples of private corporate interest overseeing actions in Congress, to the point of writing legislation. There's guilt on both sides of the aisle, inside and outside the government. Who profited from the change from analog to digital TV when public frequencies were sold instead of leased or licensed, and now millions of people are without television? Who profits from lack of competition in broadband, and which members of Congress work for those companies instead of working for us? That duality is the problem. That duality must be controlled. The government should represent 'We, the people...' not 'We, the corporations...' Where friendliness to corporations benefits people, that's great, but where it harms people, compromise and strong regulation is necessary. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
Guess I deserve this, you have previously exhibited little brake to your posturing, why should I expect anything else. OK, grant you all points. Wasn't your comparison relatively small infractions vs others that flung the economy in the ditch? I like your researched polemic, but doesn't address my comment one whit (and I note that the previous communication has been edited to your benefit). Perhaps some counseling might help...Hey, and why do you have an iPod Touch, anyway? Isn't that the golden devil? Mike, this site is about computer tech. I really want to know about transferring data from one hd to another, why adobe has become such a scold, what is the best strategy for spending the next thousand dollars, why a completely inscrutable prompt comes up. It's long past time that you confine your obvious expertise to computer matters, to the benefit of everyone. We who come here have grown tired of pre-adolescent spitting matches. Thank you. --- On Thu, 9/17/09, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: From: mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870) To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 12:04 PM You need to read more. Geithner is monetizing our debt and Obama and team want to raise our debt ceiling again, this has been done several times by both parties. This isn't about some hated neocon vs liberal wackos, this is both parties ripping us off. The fed which can print money on command it seems, printed and bought 7 billion in debt from the US Government. So we have the debt ceiling over 12 trillion, which is more then thousands...and we are monetizing our debt into the billions..also more then thousands. Some want to keep arguing left vs right, this is a distraction and keeps those screwing us happy because it keeps the spotlight off what they are doing. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:21 AM, chad evans wyatt cewyattph...@yahoo.comwrote: Ummm.. Equating thousands to billions? --- On Thu, 9/17/09, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: From: mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870) To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 10:30 AM No, I accidentally hit the send button on my iPod touch. What I do find is that one side only mentions the problems with the other side. For every Madoff there is a government bureaucrat like Geithner ripping us off. For every wall street banker there are guys like Ted Stevens or Charlie Rangel. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:18 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 6:13 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The plundering, the Bernie Madoff's, the ongoing banking and financial debacle, Wall Street crimes and misdeeds, etc., etc., etc. Steve Yes, I did write that. Do you find it to be objectionable or untrue? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
This goes across party lines to the fact that Congress listens to and acts in the best interests of lobbyists and no longer the local guy who elected him. I just got finished listening to a program on NPR (Diane Rheems show) where she interviewed an author who traced the problems with derivatives back to the 90's. This is not a party problem, but a political system problem. Captialism is an ism like every other ism and has become a religion. (Not an original line, I give credit to Rev. Dr. Ed Schroder) Stewart At 11:55 AM 9/17/2009, you wrote: Five people at ACORN were involved in the videos. They were fired. While they behaved wrongly, many others at ACORN were also set up and filmed illegally, and the employees in other offices called the police when the fake posers became too aggressive and refused to leave. Individuals did the wrong thing and were punished, however, blaming ACORN and trying to shut them down, when what they do is help poor, mostly African American, people, is disingenuous. Instead of blaming the cleanup guy, Geithner, why not go back further to charge other government bureaucrats like Goldman Sachs' Hank Paulson who handed out money to his friends on Wall Street without requiring any accountability. Paulson is an example of a government bureaucrat who also is a capitalist Wall Street banker--at the same time. Go back a bit further and charge Billy Tauzin who fought for a Medicare prescription drug bill that prohibited negotiating with drug companies, while taking lots of money from Pharma, then immediately leaving to head Pharma. Then there's Dick Cheney whose holdings in Halliburton and related industries were directly related to his actions as VP. Yesterday Max Baucus emerged from committee to present a health insurance proposal that's more friendly to private insurance companies and Pharma than to the American people, while taking over $6 million from the private health care industry over the past 6 years. There are many more examples of private corporate interest overseeing actions in Congress, to the point of writing legislation. There's guilt on both sides of the aisle, inside and outside the government. Who profited from the change from analog to digital TV when public frequencies were sold instead of leased or licensed, and now millions of people are without television? Who profits from lack of competition in broadband, and which members of Congress work for those companies instead of working for us? That duality is the problem. That duality must be controlled. The government should represent 'We, the people...' not 'We, the corporations...' Where friendliness to corporations benefits people, that's great, but where it harms people, compromise and strong regulation is necessary. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
Since you address me in this section I'll assume you missed the part of this thread where a dozen others were having their spitting matches? If you don't like the thread, don't open it, while this is a computer list we do get into other topics but they usually are fairly well marked as non computer. And if they aren't, by the time this one hit about 20 replies and it was all politics, it wasn't hard to assume it was, well..about politics. You didn't have a problem with the non tech angle of this thread till someone said something you disagreed with, which means you are fine with off topic threads as long as you control them. Right now I'm not spitting, I'm just blowing raspberries at you. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:14 AM, chad evans wyatt cewyattph...@yahoo.comwrote: Mike, this site is about computer tech. I really want to know about transferring data from one hd to another, why adobe has become such a scold, what is the best strategy for spending the next thousand dollars, why a completely inscrutable prompt comes up. It's long past time that you confine your obvious expertise to computer matters, to the benefit of everyone. We who come here have grown tired of pre-adolescent spitting matches. Thank you. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] ipod touch not the golden devil was: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
What makes you think I believe it's a golden devil? iPod touch = the cool. Also on a related note of sorts. I emailed the list about choices in cell phones and service, and the comments were all helpful. I had almost decided for sure I was going to get the new mytouch from Tmobile. I had wanted an iPhone or at least iPhone like, ATT's service is too expensive for my taste, so the next best was the mytouch. Then something great happened. Sprint announced the HTC Hero was going to their network..at a cheaper price than the Mytouch. This is an all around better unit then the Mytouch, and with my discount at Sprint, their basic everything service is much cheaper than anyone else. The only part I didn't like too much was Sprint changing the form factor of the Hero headed to the states. The UK model was distinctive and in almost every review said to be comfortable to use. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:14 AM, chad evans wyatt cewyattph...@yahoo.comwrote: .Hey, and why do you have an iPod Touch, anyway? Isn't that the golden devil? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
QED --- On Thu, 9/17/09, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: From: mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870) To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 1:38 PM Since you address me in this section I'll assume you missed the part of this thread where a dozen others were having their spitting matches? If you don't like the thread, don't open it, while this is a computer list we do get into other topics but they usually are fairly well marked as non computer. And if they aren't, by the time this one hit about 20 replies and it was all politics, it wasn't hard to assume it was, well..about politics. You didn't have a problem with the non tech angle of this thread till someone said something you disagreed with, which means you are fine with off topic threads as long as you control them. Right now I'm not spitting, I'm just blowing raspberries at you. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:14 AM, chad evans wyatt cewyattph...@yahoo.comwrote: Mike, this site is about computer tech. I really want to know about transferring data from one hd to another, why adobe has become such a scold, what is the best strategy for spending the next thousand dollars, why a completely inscrutable prompt comes up. It's long past time that you confine your obvious expertise to computer matters, to the benefit of everyone. We who come here have grown tired of pre-adolescent spitting matches. Thank you. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
At 02:46 AM 9/17/2009, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: It is insane to think that a faceless corporate bureaucrat is better than a faceless federal bureaucrat. If one doesn't like what the faceless corporate bureaucrat decides, one can drop the insurance and go with someone else. With government, there is no choice -- no place to escape to. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ipod touch not the golden devil was: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
Thanks for this, valuable insight. --- On Thu, 9/17/09, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: From: mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: [CGUYS] ipod touch not the golden devil was: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870) To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 1:47 PM What makes you think I believe it's a golden devil? iPod touch = the cool. Also on a related note of sorts. I emailed the list about choices in cell phones and service, and the comments were all helpful. I had almost decided for sure I was going to get the new mytouch from Tmobile. I had wanted an iPhone or at least iPhone like, ATT's service is too expensive for my taste, so the next best was the mytouch. Then something great happened. Sprint announced the HTC Hero was going to their network..at a cheaper price than the Mytouch. This is an all around better unit then the Mytouch, and with my discount at Sprint, their basic everything service is much cheaper than anyone else. The only part I didn't like too much was Sprint changing the form factor of the Hero headed to the states. The UK model was distinctive and in almost every review said to be comfortable to use. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:14 AM, chad evans wyatt cewyattph...@yahoo.comwrote: .Hey, and why do you have an iPod Touch, anyway? Isn't that the golden devil? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
Fred Holmes wrote: At 02:46 AM 9/17/2009, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: It is insane to think that a faceless corporate bureaucrat is better than a faceless federal bureaucrat. If one doesn't like what the faceless corporate bureaucrat decides, one can drop the insurance and go with someone else. With government, there is no choice -- no place to escape to. Fred Holmes Actually, they usually can't. And if they can, it's the devil and the deep blue sea. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
If one doesn't like what the faceless corporate bureaucrat decides, one can drop the insurance and go with someone else. With government, there is no choice -- no place to escape to. And there's no other insurance company to escape to if you have a preexisting condition. You'd just better hope that your insurance company doesn't cancel you or quadruple your rates on the next renewal (as they did with me). IMO, there are far too many healthy young people in the debate saying, I don't see what's wrong with our current system. Of course not. They've never seen what happens when you actually use the insurance. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
On Sep 17, 2009, at 3:21 PM Sep 17, Fred Holmes wrote: If one doesn't like what the faceless corporate bureaucrat decides, one can drop the insurance and go with someone else. With government, there is no choice -- no place to escape to. I can think of lots of places. Have you been denied a passport? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
On Sep 17, 2009, at 12:04 PM, mike wrote: You need to read more. Geithner is monetizing our debt and Obama and team want to raise our debt ceiling again, this has been done several times by both parties. This isn't about some hated neocon vs liberal wackos, this is both parties ripping us off. The fed which can print money on command it seems, printed and bought 7 billion in debt from the US Government. So we have the debt ceiling over 12 trillion, which is more then thousands...and we are monetizing our debt into the billions..also more then thousands. Some want to keep arguing left vs right, this is a distraction and keeps those screwing us happy because it keeps the spotlight off what they are doing. You are either ignoring or can't understand the graph of national debt as percent of GNP that I posted earlier. The current debt, while high, is nowhere as high as it has been before. It has already been demonstrated that a debt of this size can be handled and paid off when the economy is rolling again. Spending money on stimulating the economy is a wise investment. The means of paying off the debt are a logical result of the expenditure. Such expenditures are really investments that pay off later. Contrast this to the cost of launching a series of foreign wars. In the old days,when you could cart off all of the losers belongings, one could argue that war was an investment that would pay off. That is no longer the case. I guess the neocons were not aware of this change. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: I find this to be true also: The greedy aren't the capitalists. They are trying to make a living and I say power to them. So you think the corporations who cancel your health insurance the moment you get sick are fine upstanding examples of moral rectitude? Sick, sick, sick. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: One can draw some conclusions from the health care debate...this chief among them: Obama is a radical liberal at best...a socialist at worst. Same with Pelosi and Reid. I can't imagine any clear thinking person anywhere wants our country run by radicals of any party. There you go again. Throwing around words as substitutes for thought. You throw around liberal and socialist as if they were dirty taboo words that are supposed to shut off all thinking and discussion. Instead they represent the best that mankind has to offer. They are the message of our greatest moral thinkers, Jesus to name just one. You are so far out on the right wing that when you look over at the sensible center it is so so far away from you that you can't even see the left wing. You are like that famous New Yorker cover: http://www.graphicsoptimization.com/blog/wp-includes/images/go_examples/2007_11/NewYorker1976-03-29coverUO.png And you probably believe this one is true: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/ny.jpg * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Obama claims that nationalizing health care will create jobs. The only jobs that will be created are government jobs. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Government produces no wealth and adds absolutely nothing to the gross national product. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Obama claims that nationalizing health care will reduce the deficit. It's a lie, plain and simple. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: He can't be that stupid to think increasing the national debt by 9 trillion dollars reduces the debt, the deficit or will balance the budget. We have a segment of our population who must never have studied math...those numbers don't add up. You jump from one outrageous lie to another. None of the above is true or makes any sense. And you pile it on deeper and deeper. Is this the tactic of the Big Lie? Do you think you can just tire us out by shoveling more and more manure onto the pile? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
Wow what memories. I used to have a print of that New Yorker cover hanging on my wall. The 80's, where did they go? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:18 PM, t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: One can draw some conclusions from the health care debate...this chief among them: Obama is a radical liberal at best...a socialist at worst. Same with Pelosi and Reid. I can't imagine any clear thinking person anywhere wants our country run by radicals of any party. There you go again. Throwing around words as substitutes for thought. You throw around liberal and socialist as if they were dirty taboo words that are supposed to shut off all thinking and discussion. Instead they represent the best that mankind has to offer. They are the message of our greatest moral thinkers, Jesus to name just one. You are so far out on the right wing that when you look over at the sensible center it is so so far away from you that you can't even see the left wing. You are like that famous New Yorker cover: http://www.graphicsoptimization.com/blog/wp-includes/images/go_examples/2007_11/NewYorker1976-03-29coverUO.png And you probably believe this one is true: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/ny.jpg * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
Jeff Morris jmor...@clarkswb.net escribió: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnc0CeUT-Lc There is an old saying, and judging by the posts on here it is 100% accurate: You can't reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. Too many people are partisan without ever really thinking about things. ...blah...blah...blah... Corrupt from top to bottom, the Obama administration and the democrat party is. There is no democrat party. There is a Democratic Party. Do you have an intelligent point to make if you don't know the name of a major US political party? That closes this thread. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
When they can't argue facts, the Democrats will argue spelling apparently. Or call names. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:42 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Jeff Morris jmor...@clarkswb.net escribió: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnc0CeUT-Lc There is an old saying, and judging by the posts on here it is 100% accurate: You can't reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. Too many people are partisan without ever really thinking about things. ...blah...blah...blah... Corrupt from top to bottom, the Obama administration and the democrat party is. There is no democrat party. There is a Democratic Party. Do you have an intelligent point to make if you don't know the name of a major US political party? That closes this thread. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
When they can't argue facts, the Democrats will argue spelling apparently. Or call names. Come on, Mike. First, facts HAVE been argued here, rather extensively. Second, Democrat party -IS- name-calling. It's intentional and demeaning. Wikipedia characterizes it as an epithet. Joseph McCarthy used it repeatedly. The intent was to try to emphasize that the Democratic Party was no longer democratic (small d). When you use it, either it's intentional or it demonstrates ignorance of the correct name of one of the two major American political parties. Either way, it provides information about the person using it and how seriously such a person needs to be taken. And as far as name-calling goes, I'm a regular poster on several conservative forums. If I had a buck for every time I've been called a moron, an idiot, a dimwit, a troll, or a retard, I could retire today. Name-calling is the specialite de la maison at many of those places. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Obama claims that nationalizing health care will create jobs. The only jobs that will be created are government jobs. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Government produces no wealth and adds absolutely nothing to the gross national product. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Obama claims that nationalizing health care will reduce the deficit. It's a lie, plain and simple. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: He can't be that stupid to think increasing the national debt by 9 trillion dollars reduces the debt, the deficit or will balance the budget. We have a segment of our population who must never have studied math...those numbers don't add up. But this is White House projections!!! See: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090825/bs_nm/us_obama_budget You jump from one outrageous lie to another. None of the above is true or makes any sense. And you pile it on deeper and deeper. Is this the tactic of the Big Lie? Do you think you can just tire us out by shoveling more and more manure onto the pile? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
Sounds like here when you...'discuss' computer topics with Tom. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: And as far as name-calling goes, I'm a regular poster on several conservative forums. If I had a buck for every time I've been called a moron, an idiot, a dimwit, a troll, or a retard, I could retire today. Name-calling is the specialite de la maison at many of those places. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:06 PM Sep 11, Steve at Verizon wrote: But this is White House projections!!! See: That is a projection of the debt. What is the GDP increase expected to be over the same period? I'll give you a hint: What is one divided by one, genius? About the only thing this discussion is proving is that cons/neocons are idiots. No that is not name calling. It is just the objective fact. You can't get your facts straight and you can't do simple math. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
Funny neither have you. We'll just decide those guys over there are idiots, and you are a moron...that's my clinical assessment. Play out your socialist fantasies elsewhere, it's hard enough dealing with your made up neomicrosofticon bogey men when you pretend to know something about computers. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:35 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:47 AM Sep 11, mike wrote: When they can't argue facts, the Democrats will argue spelling apparently. Or call names. You have not presented any facts, just lots of con/neocon fantasy shibboleths. You have not been able to process any of the real-world facts that have been presented nor do simple math. In this case use of the word idiot is not name calling, it is an objective clinical assessment. You are wasting everybody's time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
Here is my attempt to steer the topic toward some sort of computer relevancy. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/obamas-health-care-speech/ I will probably get bashed for suggesting factcheck.org but I like the idea of (a non-partisan, nonprofit website that describes itself as a 'consumer advocate' for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics.) quote stolen from wikipedia There is a paragraph regarding deficit, I won't quote it so I hope you enjoy reading. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 01:14:27PM -0400, TPiwowar wrote: On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:06 PM Sep 11, Steve at Verizon wrote: But this is White House projections!!! See: That is a projection of the debt. What is the GDP increase expected to be over the same period? I'll give you a hint: What is one divided by one, genius? About the only thing this discussion is proving is that cons/neocons are idiots. No that is not name calling. It is just the objective fact. You can't get your facts straight and you can't do simple math. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
I have to admit, I love computers, the internet and email lists. They are such fun. Nothing electronic has kept my interest longer. Not even Nintendo or Sega. Those were fun for a couple of years, but they get boring. Email lists never seem to get boring. Long live the internet. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:19 AM, mike wrote: Sounds like here when you...'discuss' computer topics with Tom. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: And as far as name-calling goes, I'm a regular poster on several conservative forums. If I had a buck for every time I've been called a moron, an idiot, a dimwit, a troll, or a retard, I could retire today. Name-calling is the specialite de la maison at many of those places. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnc0CeUT-Lc There is an old saying, and judging by the posts on here it is 100% accurate: You can't reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. Too many people are partisan without ever really thinking about things. What I am looking for is the truth about health care. Obama didn't write the bill and he hasn't read it. Much of it is so vague it's impossible to tell what they mean...and that means it will be decided by some radical judge when the lawsuits are filed. One can draw some conclusions from the health care debate...this chief among them: Obama is a radical liberal at best...a socialist at worst. Same with Pelosi and Reid. I can't imagine any clear thinking person anywhere wants our country run by radicals of any party. Educate yourself. Keep an open mind. Gather all the facts, then make up your mind. Too many people make up their minds and ignore the facts if they don't agree with their position. We have plenty of those people in this list, that's for sure. Watch the link if you have an open mind. If you want the truth, and what's best for the country. If you are a socialist, at least be honest and admit it because that's the direction the democrats in Washington are taking us. I find this to be true also: The greedy aren't the capitalists. They are trying to make a living and I say power to them. It's the socialists who are selfish and greedy and I might add, cowardly. They want somebody else to give them everything because they lack the intestinal fortitude to work hard. They are spoiled brats who can't fend for themselves, or who waste the money they do have living in homes they can't afford, driving cars they can't afford, while living a lifestyle they can't afford. They CHOOSE not to buy insurance...so we need to subtract them from the 15% without insurance in this country...and that leaves us with 5 to 7% of our population uninsured. It is insane to wreck our health care system for drug addicts, the mentally ill and the lazy. Obama claims that nationalizing health care will create jobs. The only jobs that will be created are government jobs. Government produces no wealth and adds absolutely nothing to the gross national product. Obama claims that nationalizing health care will reduce the deficit. It's a lie, plain and simple. He can't be that stupid to think increasing the national debt by 9 trillion dollars reduces the debt, the deficit or will balance the budget. We have a segment of our population who must never have studied math...those numbers don't add up. Final straw: The politicians and the unions in this country are exempt. Politicians, or soon to be known as the ruling class, will have BETTER health care plans than you and I if this insanity known as Obamacare passes. Why? Well...they are the elite ruling class, we are the masses. And the unions...well, the unions destroyed the auto industry. That's not a debatable point. This is payback for supporting Obama, same as funding the south american oil company was payback to Soros for his support...he just happened to have invested heavily in that company a few months earlier. Can anyone say, insider trading? Corrupt from top to bottom, the Obama administration and the democrat party is. That's the way it is. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
