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From Oct 17 Wall st journal: Apple does a small fraction of the overall PC business, with a 3% share of new shipments globally during the second quarter. In the US during the second quarter, Apple had a 5.9% share of new PC shipments thru the end of august, mac sales accounted for 8.3% of the U.S. retail market this year does not mention if these are dollars or units, * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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I worked in a pc environment where we wouldn't touch a new Windows Release for atleast a year or two. My wife just got switched from Win2k to XP this spring by her corporate employer. A Windows upgrade is a scarrier thing than a mav upgrade although both carry some level of terror. There are two types of people- those who can make generalizations and those who complain about them. On 10/16/07, Jeff Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't get this first statement at all. I'm also a Mac and PC user. I always wait on the release of the latest OS. Generalizing people who jump on a band wagon is just stupid. How many upgraded to Vista on it's release? Percentage wise it might be as large, but then you have to ask yourself how many PC-vs-Mac users actually know how to use their computers. PC user, I play games and read some email. Mac user, I get work done. Oh, I forgot the Utube thing. How important is that? PC people seem to flock to it. Maybe this is why the Mac/Apple has only a 3-5% market share (depending on who you listed to). It kind of reflects society as a whole. Scary. Jeff M On Oct 16, 2007, at 3:59 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: The funny thing is PC users generally wait a year or two to see if it is safe to get a new OS while Mac users can't wait to leap on a new OS. I think it is the amount of pain from previous up grades. Vista Service pack 1 is being beta tested. XP Serivice pack 3 is also in the pipe line. Mac just calls them after a different cat and charges us again. I use both PC and Mac and prefer the Mac by a good margin. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Orwell lives! Incorrect? Only if you're one of the 3 percenters. The other 97% gets along just fine with these **cough** mistakes. 21 percent of US laptops are Apple's. Nothing to cough at. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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MacOS X 10.5 is officially available Friday, Oct 26 at 6PM. That 21% will start rising again. I, for example, have been waiting for this before I buy anything new. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Orwell lives! Incorrect? Only if you're one of the 3 percenters. The other 97% gets along just fine with these **cough** mistakes. 21 percent of US laptops are Apple's. Nothing to cough at. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Now you need to wait a few months to see that OSX.5 isn't a lemon. On 10/16/07, Snyder, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MacOS X 10.5 is officially available Friday, Oct 26 at 6PM. That 21% will start rising again. I, for example, have been waiting for this before I buy anything new. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Orwell lives! Incorrect? Only if you're one of the 3 percenters. The other 97% gets along just fine with these **cough** mistakes. 21 percent of US laptops are Apple's. Nothing to cough at. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Maybe if it is a computer you must rely on. Otherwise, play on. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Now you need to wait a few months to see that OSX.5 isn't a lemon. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Now you need to wait a few months to see that OSX.5 isn't a lemon. I'm waiting for February. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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info world aug 2007 In an ongoing alteration of the consumer PC landscape, Apple laptop sales have surged to a new all-time high over the past 90 days -- up from 12 percent in June to 17 percent currently. Apple desktop sales (7 percent; down from 8 percent) have been solid but unspectacular during that same time period. from wired, may 2007 According to http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstoryrefer=conewstkr=AAPL:USsid=aZ10DCwhy1XoBloomberg, Apple has captured 9.9 percent of the U.S. laptop market, just behind Toshiba (26.2 percent), Hewlett Packard (23.9 percent) and Gateway (13 percent). don't know if this is US or world data. also, DELL is NOT included. if you follow the numbers, the laptop market is twice as large as the desktop market. I think these numbers are all screwed up, because they do not include direct sales. At 12:38 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote: Orwell lives! Incorrect? Only if you're one of the 3 percenters. The other 97% gets along just fine with these **cough** mistakes. 21 percent of US laptops are Apple's. Nothing to cough at. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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don't know if this is US or world data. also, DELL is NOT included. if you follow the numbers, the laptop market is twice as large as the desktop market. I think these numbers are all screwed up, because they do not include direct sales. Other than at trade shows I don't think I have ever seen a Dell laptop. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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I see quite a few of them on the corporate side. On Oct 16, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Other than at trade shows I don't think I have ever seen a Dell laptop. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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At 03:31 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote: info world aug 2007 In an ongoing alteration of the consumer PC landscape, Apple laptop sales have surged to a new all-time high over the past 90 days -- up from 12 percent in June to 17 percent currently. Apple desktop sales (7 percent; down from 8 percent) have been solid but unspectacular during that same time period. from wired, may 2007 According to http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstoryrefer=conewstkr=AAPL:USsid=aZ10DCwhy1XoBloomberg, Apple has captured 9.9 percent of the U.S. laptop market, just behind Toshiba (26.2 percent), Hewlett Packard (23.9 percent) and Gateway (13 percent). don't know if this is US or world data. also, DELL is NOT included. if you follow the numbers, the laptop market is twice as large as the desktop market. I think these numbers are all screwed up, because they do not include direct sales. When my wife worked for xerox, and they replaced all 10,000 or 20,000 or so laptops for $10,000,000 or 20m or so, it was a direct sale. that chart does also show Lexmark selling about 3M in printers, and xerox does not make the 3m mark? the 6 big xerox machines to the IRS were over 3M total. these numbers are the total of one-zies sales. At 12:38 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote: Orwell lives! Incorrect? Only if you're one of the 3 percenters. The other 97% gets along just fine with these **cough** mistakes. 21 percent of US laptops are Apple's. Nothing to cough at. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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The funny thing is PC users generally wait a year or two to see if it is safe to get a new OS while Mac users can't wait to leap on a new OS. I think it is the amount of pain from previous up grades. Vista Service pack 1 is being beta tested. XP Serivice pack 3 is also in the pipe line. Mac just calls them after a different cat and charges us again. I use both PC and Mac and prefer the Mac by a good margin. On 10/16/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you need to wait a few months to see that OSX.5 isn't a lemon. I'm waiting for February. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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I don't get this first statement at all. I'm also a Mac and PC user. I always wait on the release of the latest OS. Generalizing people who jump on a band wagon is just stupid. How many upgraded to Vista on it's release? Percentage wise it might be as large, but then you have to ask yourself how many PC-vs-Mac users actually know how to use their computers. PC user, I play games and read some email. Mac user, I get work done. Oh, I forgot the Utube thing. How important is that? PC people seem to flock to it. Maybe this is why the Mac/Apple has only a 3-5% market share (depending on who you listed to). It kind of reflects society as a whole. Scary. Jeff M On Oct 16, 2007, at 3:59 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: The funny thing is PC users generally wait a year or two to see if it is safe to get a new OS while Mac users can't wait to leap on a new OS. I think it is the amount of pain from previous up grades. Vista Service pack 1 is being beta tested. XP Serivice pack 3 is also in the pipe line. Mac just calls them after a different cat and charges us again. I use both PC and Mac and prefer the Mac by a good margin. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Too bad you have all those iphone users mucking up your elitist non youtube world...shame. Mike On 10/16/07, Jeff Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PC user, I play games and read some email. Mac user, I get work done. Oh, I forgot the Utube thing. How important is that? PC people seem to flock to it. Maybe this is why the Mac/Apple has only a 3-5% market share (depending on who you listed to). It kind of reflects society as a whole. Scary. Jeff M * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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All those iPhone users? How many are there? And how many are there that are Mac users? I agree that Apple tried to grab a market share by incorporating the first all in one what was actually cool. But they out priced themselves along with tagging themselves with ATT. If I could buy a reasonably priced iPhone that could hook up with a pay as Uuse it plan then maybe. But as is, it's not for me. That's what the end user has to ask. What do I want to do, what do I want to use and what price do I want to pay? The Macs have always paid off for me. I can't say the same for the PC. BTW, I'm still using a clam shell iBook. I'm upgrading this month to a powerbook because the clamshell doesn't run OS X that well. It'll run, but slow. However, I still love my clamshell Mac and it's running just fine. It was bought in 1999. My wish, computer prices would come down in price (over all) like TV prices. I bought my first CD play for around $350. I can now get one for about $20. Talk about deflation! We seem to keep talking about the Mac VS the PC. aren't they both PCs? It's the OS that counts as far as I can see. And the Mac is now able to run either. So what's the bitch? A person can run them both and make there own decision and not blame the machine but rather the OS. Jeff M On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:35 PM, mike wrote: Too bad you have all those iphone users mucking up your elitist non youtube world...shame. Mike On 10/16/07, Jeff Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PC user, I play games and read some email. Mac user, I get work done. Oh, I forgot the Utube thing. How important is that? PC people seem to flock to it. Maybe this is why the Mac/Apple has only a 3-5% market share (depending on who you listed to). It kind of reflects society as a whole. Scary. Jeff M * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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I see quite a few of them on the corporate side. On Oct 16, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Other than at trade shows I don't think I have ever seen a Dell laptop. My son-in-law has one.provided by his business. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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AdmitMac is a useful crutch when faced with clueless Windows system admins. Rather than fighting with them to configure their network correctly we install AdmitMac and get the Mac to mimmic whatever mistakes they are running with. Orwell lives! Incorrect? Only if you're one of the 3 percenters. The other 97% gets along just fine with these **cough** mistakes. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator
It's been a while since I RTFM'd ADmitMac, but it's designed to work on the client, authenticating it with AD, not the other way around. I can log on as the domain admin, but I won't have admin rights on the Mac. Any non-local account runs as a non-root user. Just the same, I'll go over the docs again. AdmitMac is a useful crutch when faced with clueless Windows system admins. Rather than fighting with them to configure their network correctly we install AdmitMac and get the Mac to mimmic whatever mistakes they are running with. Thursby's tech support is very good. They are quick to answer the phone and really interested in making you a happy customer. So far I have not had a problem that stumped them. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator
Further to the problem of locking the screen of a Mac: This article http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/macosxhints/2006/01/lockscreen/index.php discusses various methods, some with quite a bit of jiggery-pokery. But a very simple solution that I overlooked is this: But what if you don¹t want to always lock your screen when the screen saver activates or your computer wakes from sleep? In other words, you don¹t want to set that option in the Security pane as you must for the methods I¹ve described so far. (After all, it can be a pain to have to enter your password over and over again throughout the day.) Keychain Access holds the key. You can use this application (in your Applications/Utilities folder) to quickly activate your screen saver from the menubar and require a password to turn it offeven if the Security pane option isn¹t enabled. Open Keychain Access and then go to Keychain Access: Preferences. Click on the General tab and select the Show Status in Menu Bar option. A small lock icon will appear in your menu bar. Close the Preferences window and quit Keychain Access. Now click the lock icon in your menubar and choose Lock Screen to start your screen saver. Depending upon the size of your screen and the number of items in your menu bar, both from the front-most application and various system menubar icons, the lock icon may or may not be shown. You might have to command-tab to the Finder or some other application with fewer menubar entries to get the lock icon to show. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator
At 7:28 PM -0400 10/11/07, Jeff Wright wrote: Yeah, I saw that, but no native shortcut. Heck, there are no less than 2 ways of doing this on a PC without waiting for the screensaver to kick in. Just illustrating that Windows does this simple, yet very valuable, thing out of the box and on a Mac, it's E*N*T*E*R*T*A*I*N*M*E*N*T. -Original Message- I read this and thought no way...can't be. Looks like. Shortest way seems to be to set up a icon in the dock to activate the screen saver and have that lock the computer. Apple System Preferences Desktop Screen Saver Hot Corners to set a hot corner to immediately invoke the screen saver Then Show All Security click Require password to wake this computer from sleep or screen saver. How can I invoke the screen saver on Windows without finding the actual module and creating a shortcut on the desktop? -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator
How can I invoke the screen saver on Windows without finding the actual module and creating a shortcut on the desktop? -Set up the screensaver. Start Control Panel Display Screen saver (or right click on the desktop properties screensaver) -Keyboard shortcut: Windows key+L (if fast user switching is off); or -Ctrl-Alt-Delete Lock computer This assumes that you are using a password-protected account. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator
You should be using NIS (http://www.bresink.com/osx/nis.html) or something similar to manage user security (I am familiar with NIS but this article suggests there may be more appropriate solutions for a all-Apple network). Users should be authenticating to a nameserver and should be able to log onto any machine on the network. Local user ids should exist as a fallback for when the network is unavailable, but I can see no reason why an application such as you describe (what exactly is it?) would use local ids. On 10/11/07, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yes, the much vaunted Mac ease of use. 2 examples from this past week: 1 - I wanted to change the short name of the root admin, so that all of my Macs had the same one. The consultant I used to deploy these used several different short (and long) names, bless them. I wanted to change it as I have an application that scans the network and creates an up-to-date hardware inventory, which it does effortlessly for my PCs. *40* steps to do this. 40. If you don't make things worse doing it. I can't even figure out what you are talking about. You can certainly have more than one user with the privileges you need. You shouldn't be using root to do the hardware inventory - that is a security violation. You should be creating a user just for this purpose with just the privileges needed. I can see you actually logging in as Administrator on hundreds of Windows machines - all with the same password. Yow! That is scary. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator
At 7:53 AM -0400 10/12/07, Jeff Wright wrote: How can I invoke the screen saver on Windows without finding the actual module and creating a shortcut on the desktop? -Set up the screensaver. Start Control Panel Display Screen saver (or right click on the desktop properties screensaver) -Keyboard shortcut: Windows key+L (if fast user switching is off); or -Ctrl-Alt-Delete Lock computer This assumes that you are using a password-protected account. I forgot to say thanks for the tip, Jeff. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator
On 10/12/07, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We use ADmitMac, since our network is a Windows Active Directory domain. Not the most reliable of apps, but it allows the Mac users to authenticate to the network and Windows servers transparently. If there is a way to access a Mac over the LAN using root (or similar) privileges on a Windows network without using a local account, I'm all ears. Jeff, When you log onto a computer, you need to authenticate yourself (so the computer system can know who you are) and establish credentials (so the computer system can enforce the appropriate access controls, give out the right privileges, etc.). Even Windows sort of works like that. It is a basic security concept. If you have an enterprise level system to provide user credentials, you clearly don't need local user accounts to do that for you. This is also a basic security concept. Again, even Windows more or less allows for that. If you don't have time to read the ADmitMac documentation, you could Google or just skim through their product web pages. For example, (http://www.thursby.com/products/admitmac.html) Administrators can choose to give domain members administrative privileges based on their username or domain group membership. and Administrators can give administrative privileges to the user specified as the Macintosh's manager in the domain's computer records. This means that using the product you already have, you can designate how you want to give out admin privileges - there are multiple ways. Most of them have nothing to do with the local username. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator
When you log onto a computer, you need to authenticate yourself (so the computer system can know who you are) and establish credentials (so the computer system can enforce the appropriate access controls, give out the right privileges, etc.). Even Windows sort of works like that. It is a basic security concept. If you have an enterprise level system to provide user credentials, you clearly don't need local user accounts to do that for you. This is also a basic security concept. Again, even Windows more or less allows for that. Ya think?? If you don't have time to read the ADmitMac documentation, you could Google or just skim through their product web pages. It's been a while since I RTFM'd ADmitMac, but it's designed to work on the client, authenticating it with AD, not the other way around. I can log on as the domain admin, but I won't have admin rights on the Mac. Any non-local account runs as a non-root user. Just the same, I'll go over the docs again. Now, this may have changed since v. 2.1, which is what we are on. We had very bad stability issues with v. 3. So much so we discovered a major bug with it. 2.1 is basically stable for us. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator
It wasn't. Unless he CHANGED THE SUBJECT LINE. And he should know better. On 10/11/07, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff, I am glad you thought this was on topic. On 10/11/07, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yes, the much vaunted Mac ease of use. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator
I can't even figure out what you are talking about. You can certainly have more than one user with the privileges you need. You shouldn't be using root to do the hardware inventory - that is a security violation. You should be creating a user just for this purpose with just the privileges needed. OK, what exactly would those privileges be? Is there a built-in role for this? I can see you actually logging in as Administrator on hundreds of Windows machines - all with the same password. Yow! That is scary. It's the domain admin credentials. On a Windows network, the domain admin becomes part of the of the local admin group when invoked. I don't need to know the local admin credentials. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
