Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] rxvt-2.7.10-3mdk

[guran]

On Friday 05 September 2003 08.33, Han Boetes wrote:
> guran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Friday 05 September 2003 07.32, Han Boetes wrote:
> > > guran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Personally I think that much of the value of Linux apart from
> > > > quality is the right to make one owns choices. Otherwise we might
> > > > be locked into a 'communistic' philosophy, that has decided what
> > > > is best for us.
> > >
> > > That's got nothing to do with communism. You are refering to the
> > > political models used in the former USSR and China and North Korea.
> > > By analogy, not all skinheads are nazi's.
> >
> > Well, you are entitled to your interpretation. Mine was that in
> > practice both Lenin and Mao defined what was best for the party, and
> > that was forced to be the communistic way.
>
> That's a slur. A misuse of the word. You are contributing to a
> lie. Just like the people from the inquisition called themselves true
> followers of the beliefs of christ. Or Osama-bin-laden calling himself a
> true muslims.
>
> Communism means sharing instead of claiming ownership.
>
> > In that envelope I was trying to say that the idea or finding that a
> > newbie does not know anything about CLI in a console, does not
> > necessarily indicate that Mdk should stop them from learning about it.
>
> That's communism: sharing knowledge :)
>
> You mean authoritarian: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>
>
>
> # Han
Well, I like your logic, it is structured like a computer program with no 
forks. 
But the philosopher, Georg Henrik von Wright, discussed in his analysis of the 
word 'idiot', that it did come from old Greece and signified a person that 
did not speak the greek language. So everything he said was clear nonsence. 
To day 'idiot' may indicate a person that do things that are of no sence to a 
viewer. So it is possible to argue that the listener has changed  the 
original logic of the word to a class of activities of a foreigner that has 
no sence to the listener.
Thus my '' around 'communistic' was to signify that in a communistic group it 
is possible to have a view of 'the other people', as communism is for 
everyone, and to declare an idea or formula for 'the other people', i.e. to 
dictate or signify what is best for them.

regards
guran
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Re: [Cooker] Re: Is there somewhere I can get the all the old Mandrake kernels??

[John Allen]

On Thursday 04 September 2003 19:13, Juan Quintela wrote:
> > "john" == John Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> I have all the linux-2.4.*-*q* tars on my hard-disk.  If you want, I
> can make it available (but they are _big_).  I don't have it as
> rpm/src.rpm, but building a kernel from this is basically trivial,
> just replace numbers in the actual kernel-2.4.spec and recompile.
>

Are all the kernel-2.4.spec files the same (aside from the revision);
I'd be amazed if the spec file has not changed at all for 2.4

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Re: [Cooker] Re: [subversion-client-common] ra modules aren't loaded - missing .so link

[Oden Eriksson]

fredagen den 5 september 2003 03.39 skrev Ben Reser:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 11:58:58PM +0200, [oden.eriksson] wrote:
> > It's more than meets the eye...
> > Fixed with "subversion-0.28.1-2mdk".
> > This package wants a new maintainer..., who will adopt it?
>
> I'll be happy to take it over.  I keep meaning to do work on it but
> about the time I get around to taking a look at it you end up doing
> something.  If I was the maintainer I'd make it a bigger priority..

Thank you Ben.

Then we can consider you as the new official maintainer for subversion in 
mandrake?. Warly, could you please reassign this package to Ben?

I have too many packages (hundreds) to maintain on my own, I need to spread 
the load..., and in the end hopefully get rid of the more time consuming and 
complicated ones...

BTW. Would you consider adopting the new "rapidsvn" package too? (I hate 
GUI:s, but this one could make people start using subversion?)


Also..., I could make a list of other packages I want to "give away" if people 
would be interested in such a thing...


Cheers.

Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] rxvt-2.7.10-3mdk

[Abel Cheung]

On 2003-09-05(Fri) 09:01:19 +0200, guran wrote:
> Well, I like your logic, it is structured like a computer program with no 
> forks. 


Enough. End of this subthread.

Further political discussions should be carried on political discussion
forums or groups, not in Mandrake cooker list, where people need to
concentrate on the release of MDK 9.2.

Abel


> But the philosopher, Georg Henrik von Wright, discussed in his analysis of the 
> word 'idiot', that it did come from old Greece and signified a person that 
> did not speak the greek language. So everything he said was clear nonsence. 
> To day 'idiot' may indicate a person that do things that are of no sence to a 
> viewer. So it is possible to argue that the listener has changed  the 
> original logic of the word to a class of activities of a foreigner that has 
> no sence to the listener.
> Thus my '' around 'communistic' was to signify that in a communistic group it 
> is possible to have a view of 'the other people', as communism is for 
> everyone, and to declare an idea or formula for 'the other people', i.e. to 
> dictate or signify what is best for them.
> 
> regards
> guran
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> Only in a society that has 'a priori' defined what is the truth
> can the result from the evolution of life be defined false.
> 
> 

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[Cooker] link view in Konqeror greyed out

[Robert Fox]

There are several items under Konqueror file browser which are greayed
out - I'm specifically interested in the "link view" under the "view"
menu.

I have kdebase-3.1.3-59mdk

Thx,
R.Fox
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[Cooker] NTFS and Unicode

[Helge Hielscher]

Hello,

Since I cant use bugzilla (much too slow here), I try my luck in the
mailinglist.

The problem is, that I cant see folders and files from my (XP)NTFS
partition that contain cyrillic characters.

The Line in /etc/fstab wasnt modified after installation and looks like
/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,umask=0 0 0

And I get errors like:
Sep  6 01:19:26 localhost kernel: NTFS-fs error (device 03:01):
ntfs_ucstonls(): Unicode name contains characters that cannot be converted
to character set iso8859-1.

But all my locales were set to UTF-8 during installation and still are.

Regards,
Helge

[Cooker] Re: [Bug 5195] [subversion-client-local] subversion repository format had changed

[Michael Scherer]

On Friday 05 September 2003 06:10, [ben] wrote:
> I was talking about the sever/client interoperability.  For that they
> as a matter of policy only guarantee compatability between one major
> revision back (e.g. .27 will be compatable with .26 but .28 will not
> necessarily be guaranteed).

ye, and this means that a 9.1 server is still copatible with a 9.1 
client.

> You can find their policy at:
> http://subversion.tigris.org/project_faq.html#interop
>
> I was thinking this applied to the schema format but apparently they
> don't apply it to that. 

yes, this is clearly stated in the FAQ :

The repository db schema is stable now and should only undergo one more 
major change before 1.0. These migrations have happened before, and we 
already have dump/load utilities available to aid you in the migration.


> However, because of this policy and 
> subversions instability we should encourage people to do dump/load at
> upgrade time everytime.

i didn't say that people should not be encouraged to do this, but, if we 
can help them, then we should.

> This is all the better reason to urge people to use svnadmin dump
> *BEFORE* upgrading.  Always doing a svnadmin dump before an upgrade
> and a svnadmin load after, will always avoid issues like this.
>
> My point is including an old svnadmin is only a solution for this
> particular issue. 

I think that having a solution is better than having nothing.
If it can help 50% of people, it is better than nothing.
And, having a solution does not prevent us to warn people.
In fact, you can patch svnadmin to display the messages if you want. or 
wrap it in a shell script that does everything. 


> Doing the dump before an upgrade and a load after 
> is the only reliable way to ensure a good clean upgrade.  It's
> unreasonable to carry around dozens of old svnadmin versions to help
> people upgrading to deal with specific issues...

dozen of old svnadmin. Do you really think that subversion people are 
insane ?
They use their own software, and they will not break it every month.

The project changed only once in a way that break everything since the 
beginning, in 2 years. 

we will need a dozen of svnadmin in 24 years, if they keep the same rate 
of breakage. I guess that subversion will be stable in 2 years, so, 
unless they break for fun, we will never have dozen of old binary.  
Please stop exagerating in order to convince people.

i do not suggest to have it for years, only to help the upgrade from the 
current mandrake release, ie 9.1.

> IMHO the 0.27 
> svnadmin should be removed from the package.  I understand it helped
> you get out of a sticky situation, but having it implies that we'll
> provide that sort of thing in the future.

yes, it helped me. and it should not help other people ?
what will be the avantage of not helping people ?

forcing them to learn the hard way and to lose time, because it will be 
good for them.
what will people learn with this ?

that they should not use subversion, because they break thing ?

they should not use mandrake because someone didn't want to ship a 
simple solution ?


openldap2.1 changed the way it handle the schema, but, buchan tried to 
provides some migration script. I am sure it will help lot of people. 
This is *our* job to provide smooth upgrade. 


> The problem is they can choose to change the schema anytime they
> want. Do we carry a svnadmin version for every schema version?

I do not think that subversion project is going to change schema every 
month. This break too much thing for being done.

I do not say we should ensure a upgrade from any release to any release. 
but from the 9.1 to 9.2.

> I didn't intend it to be the only message.  Just an extra notice... 
> I figure most people using subversion as a server are likely to be
> using urpmi not rpmdrake...

even if they do not use rpmdrake, they can miss the message.
and what is the message good for ?
I upgrade subversion, and it will say : 

"oh, you should have dumped before upgrading, sorry, that's too bad."
and what will i do ? 

i will recompile from source. 

People will not blame mandrake for the error, but, if we provides them 
with a solution, they will appreciate the effort. Now, of course, you 
can do nothing. Maybe they will switch to a distro that care for them 
and try to make their life easier. 

And, if we provides this only for the release, we can drop it once 
cooker is unfrozen, if you think it would take too much time to 
maintain it. i just want to ensure that people using subversion will 
have a easier path for upgrading.

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Re: [Cooker] Re: Is there somewhere I can get the all the old Mandrake kernels??

[Buchan Milne]

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Ben Reser wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 11:37:40PM +0200, Luca Berra wrote:
>
>>On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 08:13:37PM +0200, Juan Quintela wrote:
>>
>>>that it will use much less space.  Any "script guru" that can make a
>>>script that given 2 directories, just md5sum files, and if they are
>>>identical, just removes file and makes a symlink?
>>
>>no need to md5sum files when you can compare them
>>attached script does hardlink, but you can change it.
>
>
> Or you could use freedupes from contrib that does that. :)
>

But wouldn't most of the revision tools (cvs, arch, subversion) do this
too? Wouldn't CVS (or arch or subversion) be more functional now that we
have more than one person working on patch sets?

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[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] kernel-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk

[Buchan Milne]

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Juan Quintela wrote:
> -=-=-=-
> Name: kernel-2.4.22.5mdk   Relocations: (not relocateable)
> Version : 1 Vendor: MandrakeSoft
> Release : 1mdk  Build Date: Fri Sep  5
15:10:17 2003
> Install Date: (not installed)   Build Host:
no.mandrakesoft.com
> Group   : System/Kernel and hardwareSource RPM: (none)
> Size: 38819571 License: GPL
> Signature   : (none)
> Packager: Mandrake Linux Team 
> URL : http://www.kernel.org/
> Summary : The Linux kernel (the core of the Linux operating system).

> -=-=-=-
> Juan Quintela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.4.22-5mdk
>
> - make xconfig works again (lufs is fixed).
> - fix another mising  for firmware_class (gb).
> - reenable i686-up-4GB and p3-smp-64GB, modversions should work now.
> - mydsdt removed (now it is included in the initrd).

Juan, are we going to get 2.4.23pre2 ? Or at least Jeff Garzik's patches
implementing MII support for a lot of PCMCIA NICs? With ifplugd in the
distro, and if aiming for good laptop support, this would be really nice
(speaking as someone who has a PCMCIA card currently unsupported by
ifplugd ...)

Regards,
Buchan

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[Cooker] (suggestion) drak control center whey not 4 in 1

Hi all

i was wondering whey don't we marge all 4 apps of urpmi in to 1 with a gui that 
provide the following

- all available features are integrated in to one gui
- the resualt of the searched name "of the rpm" should show in the detail if  
installed or not.

- in the top bar beside view and file we can have "preferences" or configuration 
entry...in this will give a menu to update, add and remove downloading source such as 
plf,contrib ..etc.

i don't know if i was clear or not but the bottom line is way not marge all 4 apps " 
add, remove etc" in to one and make it nice gui even better than synaptic  



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[Cooker] (suggestion) k menu is clatered

hi all

whey not reorganize the k menu

all applications " e.g. multimedia, office, games" under one entry such as 
applications or programs.

configuration remain in its own

remove redundant entries such as the one in configuration 
" i mean that u can reach the same aplication "e.g." either using
the kde control center or the kde entry " same applies for many other applications.

hope i was clear.
 


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Re: [Cooker] (suggestion) drak control center whey not 4 in 1

[Buchan Milne]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> i was wondering whey don't we marge all 4 apps of urpmi in to 1 with a
gui that provide the following
>
> - all available features are integrated in to one gui
> - the resualt of the searched name "of the rpm" should show in the
detail if  installed or not.
>
> - in the top bar beside view and file we can have "preferences" or
> configuration entry...in this will give a menu to update, add and
> remove downloading source such as plf,contrib ..etc.
>
> i don't know if i was clear or not but the bottom line is way not
> marge all 4 apps " add, remove etc" in to one and make it nice gui
> even better than synaptic

We don't discuss this anymore, since we don't want to upset gc (rpmdrake
maintainer) again.

Regards,
Buchan

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[Cooker] Printing from OO 1.0.3

[guran]

Hi

I have a local printer called  attached to my box. When printing from 
OO I have used  and  and got the same result.
The result is quite perfect, I was just used to getting garbish from one of 
them.

Thanks for something good.
guran
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[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] kernel-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk

[danny]

> Juan Quintela wrote:
> -=-=-=-
> Name: kernel-2.4.22.5mdk   Relocations: (not relocateable)
> Version : 1 Vendor: MandrakeSoft
> Release : 1mdk  Build Date: Fri Sep  5
> 15:10:17 2003
> Install Date: (not installed)   Build Host:
> no.mandrakesoft.com
> Group   : System/Kernel and hardwareSource RPM: (none)
> Size: 38819571 License: GPL
> Signature   : (none)
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> URL : http://www.kernel.org/
> Summary : The Linux kernel (the core of the Linux operating system).
> 
> -=-=-=-
> Juan Quintela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.4.22-5mdk
>
> - make xconfig works again (lufs is fixed).
> - fix another mising  for firmware_class (gb).
> - reenable i686-up-4GB and p3-smp-64GB, modversions should work now.
> - mydsdt removed (now it is included in the initrd).

Can we please have the bugfix for supermount (v 1.2.9) ? it fixes the 
init.h on non-i386, and It fixes the "stale NFS 
handle" error when doing ls in /mnt/cdrom.

btw, Juan: why was mini-lowlat removed? What exactly went wrong? I 
currently have also a problem in getting full lowlat working with 2.4.22, 
just wondering if you also got schedule called during an interrupt? Any 
idea how to fix?

 d.

[Cooker] Drakwizard do not display in mcc

[Olivier Imbert]

When I am launching Drakwizard embedded in mcc, it do not displayed ... Lauching it as 
standalone work fine ... Somebody got the same behaviour ?

PS - I should be approximatelly up to date

Re: [Cooker] XFree86-libs - pb finding.

[Buchan Milne]

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guran wrote:
> On Friday 05 September 2003 08.22, Charlie M. wrote:
>
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>>September 5, 2003 12:09 am, Paul Dorman wrote:

>>>Don't sweat it. It's just because XFree86-libs has (for some
>>>I-am-sure-it's-sane-but-it-seams-bone-headed reason) been renamed to
>>>libxfree86. Just install XFree86-xfs with a no-deps and carry on like
>>>nothing happened...
>>>

No, this is wrong, if you have to use --nodeps or --force for normal
upgrades, this is a bug ... and it needs to be fixed (there is one
exception though).

>>It wouldn't be the first time I dove in and 'broke' this box since I
>>first discovered Mandrake. Twice today in fact. Or is this three times?
>>I lose track when I'm having fun.

What do you mean "broke" ? If you don't use "--force" or "--nodeps", you
shouldn't be able to break your box, and if you can, it's a bug.

>>Maybe that's why some of us are so adamant about wanting CL tools
>>installed and available by default.

All console tools are available by defualt, but not necessarily
installed by default. Anyone running cooker is assumed to be able to
'urpmi ' after changing to a VT (or worse).

>>"If you didn't break it yet today you ain't tryin' hard enough!" :)

I've only broken my cooker box about 3 times in 18 months, and I've been
trying ...

> Thanks for the idea, I will from now on try to look at lib as an
abrevation of
> 'liberated from' :)

Well, it actually means the package has been libified, to follow the
distribution policy. Anyway, you will see:

$ rpm -q --whatprovides XFree86-devel
libxfree86-devel-4.3-20mdk
$ urpmq -p XFree86-devel
libxfree86-devel

The problem appears to be a package which did not make the upload ...
(subpackages are always built, you can't build some without others, but
packages do get lost sometimes ..)

Regards,
Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] Re: Is there somewhere I can get the all the old Mandrake kernels??

[Buchan Milne]

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John Allen wrote:
> On Thursday 04 September 2003 19:13, Juan Quintela wrote:
>
>>>"john" == John Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>I have all the linux-2.4.*-*q* tars on my hard-disk.  If you want, I
>>can make it available (but they are _big_).  I don't have it as
>>rpm/src.rpm, but building a kernel from this is basically trivial,
>>just replace numbers in the actual kernel-2.4.spec and recompile.
>>
>
>
> Are all the kernel-2.4.spec files the same (aside from the revision);
> I'd be amazed if the spec file has not changed at all for 2.4
>

No, not entirely, but it is trivial to pull the spec file (and a few
other files) for a specific release from CVS.

Regards,
Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] kernel-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk

[Gwenole Beauchesne]

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Can we please have the bugfix for supermount (v 1.2.9) ? it fixes the 
> init.h on non-i386,

I already fixed all  problems. Juan should have had all 3 by 
now.

Re: [Cooker] Drakwizard do not display in mcc

[Arpad Biro]

Hi,

> When I am launching Drakwizard embedded in mcc, it do not displayed
...
> Lauching it as standalone work fine ... Somebody got the same
behaviour ?

The same here, but with RC1. Even the standalone "drakwizard" does not
work as it should: most of the strings are not even displayed in the
dialog boxes, and the wizards are crashing often.





Arpad Biro


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[Cooker] Re: XFree86-libs - pb finding.

[David Walser]

Buchan Milne wrote:
> Well, it actually means the package has been libified, to follow the
> distribution policy. Anyway, you will see:
> 
> $ rpm -q --whatprovides XFree86-devel
> libxfree86-devel-4.3-20mdk
> $ urpmq -p XFree86-devel
> libxfree86-devel

Well that was the attempt anyway.  I'm sure using 86 as the major number isn't right 
though.  Man I really hope that never needs to be incremented :/

Re: [Cooker] MDK 9.1 bugs

[Kovács Géza]

>> - installer does not recognize the ATI Rage LT PRO, only a
>> Mach64 chip. The lspci is:
>"lspcidrake -v" output is quite a lot more usefull to us

Here is the full output requested, actually this has 8Mb ATI
at the bottom.
(the notebook is a venerable KAPOK/Clevo model 8500P)

agpgart : Intel Corporation|440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX
Host bridge [BRIDGE_HOST] (vendor:8086 device:7190)
unknown : Intel Corporation|440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX
AGP bridge [BRIDGE_PCI] (vendor:8086 device:7191)
unknown : Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 ISA
[BRIDGE_OTHER] (vendor:8086 device:7110)
unknown : Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 IDE
[STORAGE_IDE] (vendor:8086 device:7111)
usb-uhci: Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 USB
[SERIAL_USB] (vendor:8086 device:7112)
sonypi  : Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 ACPI - Bus
Master IDE Controller [BRIDGE_OTHER] (vendor:8086 device:7113)
yenta_socket: Texas Instruments|PCI1225 PC Card
Controller [BRIDGE_CARDBUS] (vendor:104c device:ac1c
subv:4000 subd:)
yenta_socket: Texas Instruments|PCI1225 PC Card
Controller [BRIDGE_CARDBUS] (vendor:104c device:ac1c
subv:4800 subd:)
ohci1394: Texas Instruments|OHCI Compliant FireWire
Controller [SERIAL_FIREWIRE] (vendor:104c device:8009
subv:104c subd:8010)
maestro : ESS Technology|ES1978 Maestro 2E
[MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO] (vendor:125d device:1978 subv:1558 subd:8501)
Card:ATI Mach64 Utah: ATI|3D Rage LT Pro AGP-133
[DISPLAY_VGA] (vendor:1002 device:4c42 subv:1558 subd:8501)
unknown : Unknown|USB UHCI Root Hub [Hub|Root Hub]
(vendor: device:)

Re: [Cooker] Re: [Bug 5195] [subversion-client-local] subversion repository format had changed

[Oden Eriksson]

fredagen den 5 september 2003 10.31 skrev Michael Scherer:
> On Friday 05 September 2003 06:10, [ben] wrote:
> > I was talking about the sever/client interoperability.  For that they
> > as a matter of policy only guarantee compatability between one major
> > revision back (e.g. .27 will be compatable with .26 but .28 will not
> > necessarily be guaranteed).
>
> ye, and this means that a 9.1 server is still copatible with a 9.1
> client.
>
> > You can find their policy at:
> > http://subversion.tigris.org/project_faq.html#interop
> >
> > I was thinking this applied to the schema format but apparently they
> > don't apply it to that.
>
> yes, this is clearly stated in the FAQ :
>
> The repository db schema is stable now and should only undergo one more
> major change before 1.0. These migrations have happened before, and we
> already have dump/load utilities available to aid you in the migration.
>
> > However, because of this policy and
> > subversions instability we should encourage people to do dump/load at
> > upgrade time everytime.
>
> i didn't say that people should not be encouraged to do this, but, if we
> can help them, then we should.
>
> > This is all the better reason to urge people to use svnadmin dump
> > *BEFORE* upgrading.  Always doing a svnadmin dump before an upgrade
> > and a svnadmin load after, will always avoid issues like this.
> >
> > My point is including an old svnadmin is only a solution for this
> > particular issue.
>
> I think that having a solution is better than having nothing.
> If it can help 50% of people, it is better than nothing.
> And, having a solution does not prevent us to warn people.
> In fact, you can patch svnadmin to display the messages if you want. or
> wrap it in a shell script that does everything.
>
> > Doing the dump before an upgrade and a load after
> > is the only reliable way to ensure a good clean upgrade.  It's
> > unreasonable to carry around dozens of old svnadmin versions to help
> > people upgrading to deal with specific issues...
>
> dozen of old svnadmin. Do you really think that subversion people are
> insane ?
> They use their own software, and they will not break it every month.
>
> The project changed only once in a way that break everything since the
> beginning, in 2 years.
>
> we will need a dozen of svnadmin in 24 years, if they keep the same rate
> of breakage. I guess that subversion will be stable in 2 years, so,
> unless they break for fun, we will never have dozen of old binary.
> Please stop exagerating in order to convince people.
>
> i do not suggest to have it for years, only to help the upgrade from the
> current mandrake release, ie 9.1.
>
> > IMHO the 0.27
> > svnadmin should be removed from the package.  I understand it helped
> > you get out of a sticky situation, but having it implies that we'll
> > provide that sort of thing in the future.
>
> yes, it helped me. and it should not help other people ?
> what will be the avantage of not helping people ?
>
> forcing them to learn the hard way and to lose time, because it will be
> good for them.
> what will people learn with this ?
>
> that they should not use subversion, because they break thing ?
>
> they should not use mandrake because someone didn't want to ship a
> simple solution ?
>
>
> openldap2.1 changed the way it handle the schema, but, buchan tried to
> provides some migration script. I am sure it will help lot of people.
> This is *our* job to provide smooth upgrade.
>
> > The problem is they can choose to change the schema anytime they
> > want. Do we carry a svnadmin version for every schema version?
>
> I do not think that subversion project is going to change schema every
> month. This break too much thing for being done.
>
> I do not say we should ensure a upgrade from any release to any release.
> but from the 9.1 to 9.2.
>
> > I didn't intend it to be the only message.  Just an extra notice...
> > I figure most people using subversion as a server are likely to be
> > using urpmi not rpmdrake...
>
> even if they do not use rpmdrake, they can miss the message.
> and what is the message good for ?
> I upgrade subversion, and it will say :
>
> "oh, you should have dumped before upgrading, sorry, that's too bad."
> and what will i do ?
>
> i will recompile from source.
>
> People will not blame mandrake for the error, but, if we provides them
> with a solution, they will appreciate the effort. Now, of course, you
> can do nothing. Maybe they will switch to a distro that care for them
> and try to make their life easier.
>
> And, if we provides this only for the release, we can drop it once
> cooker is unfrozen, if you think it would take too much time to
> maintain it. i just want to ensure that people using subversion will
> have a easier path for upgrading.


Well said Michael. I don't want to have endless discussions about this, I 
realized the problem and I just f*cking fixed it. Until the subversion code 
can handle upgrades we need to provide a soluti

Re: [Cooker] 9 bugs not reported for mdk 9.2rc1

[John Keller]

Buchan Milne wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> > You left:
> >
> >   #manfid 0x, 0x1090
> >
> > with the hash, I think it's not meant?
> >
>
> Needs to be documented properly, left as a reminder ;-)
>
> (I assume for some cards, if manfid doesn't exist in config, then it's ok,
> while if it does exist, or for some sets of cards, it should not be
> enabled, but documenting it via a comment is probably worthwhile?)

I've included the PCMCIA section in my version of the page, adding a short
explanation about why the manfid could/should be included in a commented
line.

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardwareHowTo

I've also added corrections per Thierry's cooker e-mail (as well as a couple
of my own) to the things that I'd added yesterday.

While doing my initial entry yesterday, I had already added a series of
steps in the PCI section about creating a patch. I wasn't quite sure I'd
understood Thierry's message with the proper way to create a patch. Would
someone care to enlighten me, or even just go ahead make the corrections to
the page itself?

Buchan, how would you like to do things? My formatting is quite different
than yours. Would you prefer to change the links on the home and HowTo pages
so that they point to yours instead of mine (in which case, it should become
a subtopic of HowTo)? Or would you rather make changes to mine to bring it
into line with what you wanted?

Ah, the dangers of anarchic editing... :)

- John

OT: Communism and authoritarianism (was Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] rxvt-2.7.10-3mdk)

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 06:57, guran wrote:
> On Friday 05 September 2003 07.32, Han Boetes wrote:
> > guran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Personally I think that much of the value of Linux apart from quality
> > > is the right to make one owns choices. Otherwise we might be locked
> > > into a 'communistic' philosophy, that has decided what is best for us.
> >
> > That's got nothing to do with communism. You are refering to the
> > political models used in the former USSR and China and North Korea. By
> > analogy, not all skinheads are nazi's.
> 
> Well, you are entitled to your interpretation. Mine was that in practice both 
> Lenin and Mao defined what was best for the party, and that was forced to be 
> the communistic way. In that envelope I was trying to say that the idea or 
> finding that a newbie does not know anything about CLI in a console, does not 
> necessarily indicate that Mdk should stop them from learning about it.

You're still making the mistake you made originally, which is to assume
that all features of the USSR and China are, ipso facto, features of
Communism. To make Han's objection more explicit, just as not all
skinheads are fascists, not all Communists are authoritarian.
-- 
adamw

[Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cinepaint-0.18-3mdk

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 10:36, Giuseppe Ghibò wrote:
> [Contrib-RPM]
> 
> -=-=-=-
> Name: cinepaintRelocations: (not relocateable)

> CinePaint is free software. The generosity and commitment of its
> developers, users and sponsors make CinePaint possible.

Does it make a huge amount of sense to have this fluff in the
description of CinePaint but not in the descriptions of, well, all the
other packages we ship?
-- 
adamw

mach 64 problem [was: Re: [Cooker] MDK 9.1 bugs]

[Thierry Vignaud]

Kovács Géza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > > - installer does not recognize the ATI Rage LT PRO, only a
> > > Mach64 chip. The lspci is:
> >
> > "lspcidrake -v" output is quite a lot more usefull to us
> 
> Here is the full output requested, actually this has 8Mb ATI
> at the bottom.
> (the notebook is a venerable KAPOK/Clevo model 8500P)
> 
> Card:ATI Mach64 Utah: ATI|3D Rage LT Pro AGP-133
> [DISPLAY_VGA] (vendor:1002 device:4c42 subv:1558 subd:8501)

so your card is correctly detected.

your problem is not hardware recognition but configuration i guess.

what is your exact problem?

Re: [Cooker] Hardware Megavision MV173 LCD monitor

[Thierry Vignaud]

Ivan Kerekes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

could you confirm the following patch (to apply to in
/usr/share/ldetect-lst/ with "patch -p1 < /where/it/is/mon.diff" give
you better support for your monitor ?

Index: lst/MonitorsDB
===
RCS file: /cooker/soft/ldetect-lst/lst/MonitorsDB,v
retrieving revision 1.41
diff -u -p -r1.41 MonitorsDB
--- lst/MonitorsDB	2 Sep 2003 17:07:08 -	1.41
+++ lst/MonitorsDB	5 Sep 2003 10:55:32 -
@@ -2120,6 +2120,7 @@ Maxdata Computer; Maxdata Belinea 10 40 
 Maxdata Computer; Maxdata Belinea 10 50 95; max3539; 30.0-64.0; 55.0-90.0; 1
 Maxdata Computer; Maxdata Belinea 10 55 75; max7555; 30.0-69.0; 50.0-120.0; 1
 MegaImage; MegaImage 17; 106; 30-64; 50-100
+Megavision; MV173 LCD; ate8506;  31.0-80.0; 58.0-75.0;
 Microtec; Microtec MD15-9; PBR023c; 30.0-70.0; 50.0-150.0; 1
 Microvitec, Inc.; Microvitec 1020/LP; 1020lp; 15.0-36.5; 45.0-100.0; 1
 Microvitec, Inc.; Microvitec 1020/SP; 1020sp; 15.0-36.5; 45.0-100.0; 1

Re: [Cooker] XFree86-libs - pb finding.

[Thierry Vignaud]

Jure Repinc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > Don't sweat it. It's just because XFree86-libs has (for some
> > I-am-sure-it's-sane-but-it-seams-bone-headed reason) been renamed
> > to libxfree86. Just install XFree86-xfs with a no-deps and carry
> > on like nothing happened...
> 
> So the dependancy should be updated to use this file. And libxfree86
> is now at version 4.3-20 while all others are at version 4.3-21.

looks like to a non updated mirror afaic:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mdk/soft/ldetect-lst $ rpm -qp --provides 
/RPMS/libxfree86-4.3-21mdk.i586.rpm | head -2
libXft2  
XFree86-libs = 4.3-21mdk

Re: [Cooker] Drakwizard do not display in mcc

[Thierry Vignaud]

Arpad Biro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > When I am launching Drakwizard embedded in mcc, it do not displayed
> ...
> > Lauching it as standalone work fine ... Somebody got the same
> behaviour ?

warly is currently rewriting^h^h^h^h^h^hpolishing drakwizard.

as for now, wizards are hidden in mcc due to being a moving target.
 
> The same here, but with RC1. Even the standalone "drakwizard" does not
> work as it should: most of the strings are not even displayed in the
> dialog boxes, and the wizards are crashing often.

this one has been fixed.

there's still quite some work to do though.

Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cinepaint-0.18-3mdk

[Thierry Vignaud]

Adam Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > [Contrib-RPM]
> > 
> > -=-=-=-
> > Name: cinepaintRelocations: (not relocateable)
> 
> > CinePaint is free software. The generosity and commitment of its
> > developers, users and sponsors make CinePaint possible.
> 
> Does it make a huge amount of sense to have this fluff in the
> description of CinePaint but not in the descriptions of, well, all
> the other packages we ship?

i agree too.
this should not be there.
this should describe the package.
license question is shortly answered in the License tag and explained
in LICENSE and the like files from common-licenses or in
/usr/share/doc/-/*

mach 64 "problem" [was: Re: [Cooker] MDK 9.1 bugs]

[Kovács Géza]

>so your card is correctly detected.
>your problem is not hardware recognition but configuration
i guess.
>what is your exact problem?

When installing MDK, it correctly detects an Ati Utah
Mach64. But then, further down the list, there is also a
Rage LT Pro entity in the list.  You are right, they ought
to work both. 

 So I thought, that if it autodetects the card, marks it
Mach64 utah and there is a more meaningful ATI Rage LT Pro
entry in the list, why not make the detection result match
exactly with the card detected? Most users can identify
their card by (marketing) name than the included chip
version. Mach64-s can differ quite a lot...

[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] kernel-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk

[Juan Quintela]

> "danny" ==   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Juan Quintela wrote:
>> -=-=-=-
>> Name: kernel-2.4.22.5mdk   Relocations: (not relocateable)
>> Version : 1 Vendor: MandrakeSoft
>> Release : 1mdk  Build Date: Fri Sep  5
>> 15:10:17 2003
>> Install Date: (not installed)   Build Host:
>> no.mandrakesoft.com
>> Group   : System/Kernel and hardwareSource RPM: (none)
>> Size: 38819571 License: GPL
>> Signature   : (none)
>> Packager: Mandrake Linux Team 
>> URL : http://www.kernel.org/
>> Summary : The Linux kernel (the core of the Linux operating system).
>> 
>> -=-=-=-
>> Juan Quintela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.4.22-5mdk
>> 
>> - make xconfig works again (lufs is fixed).
>> - fix another mising  for firmware_class (gb).
>> - reenable i686-up-4GB and p3-smp-64GB, modversions should work now.
>> - mydsdt removed (now it is included in the initrd).

No full pre2, only selected bits.

danny> Can we please have the bugfix for supermount (v 1.2.9) ? it fixes the 
danny> init.h on non-i386, and It fixes the "stale NFS 
danny> handle" error when doing ls in /mnt/cdrom.

But we can have the ethertool fixes and supermonut v1.2.9.  Althought
the init.h thing has already been fixed.


danny> btw, Juan: why was mini-lowlat removed? What exactly went wrong? I 
danny> currently have also a problem in getting full lowlat working with 2.4.22, 
danny> just wondering if you also got schedule called during an interrupt? Any 
danny> idea how to fix?

Yep, I also get it, and have _no_ idea why it happens.  It is in a
section of code were lowlatency makes no changes.  My guess is that it
is related with the swsuspend code, but were unable to arrive to one
conclusion :(

Later, Juan.

-- 
In theory, practice and theory are the same, but in practice they 
are different -- Larry McVoy

[Cooker] Syslog logging to /var/log/messages not /var/log/syslog

[Torstein Dybdahl]

Hi!
Syslog has changed and startet logging only to /var/log/messages
Only minimal information is logged to syslog.
urpmi etc logs only to /var/log/messages this is a change from the 
previous that was everything to /var/log/syslog

There is still problem with shutdown.

Computer hangs after:
message killed all processes.


Regards

[Cooker] Question from 9.1

[arakeis]

Does the suspend/to ram and/or to disk work on the beta ?
If not what's the current status ?
thks

--
Arnaud

Re: [Cooker] [Bug 3074] [Installation] Network config needs to be earlier in install process

[Thierry Vignaud]

"[robert.pollak]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 03:40 ---
> Since it will be examined later, and only won't be fixed *for 9.2*
> shouldn't you have marked this resolved as LATER and not WONTFIX?

> --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 09:41 ---
> "Resolving" this bug is Not Good, since it disappears from bug lists
> that are used for future planning (See reasoning in the Bugzilla bug
>  "REMIND and
> LATER considered harmful.".)
> I think the best policy would be to reopen it and set it to lowest
> priority (since Mandrake Bugzilla doesn't use "Target Milestone").

hey, i've already reopen this bug and mark it as later before you
complained :-(

anyway we've way too many usability bugs to fix.
this become frightening :-)

Re: [Cooker] Configuration usability issue - 9.2

[FACORAT Fabrice]

Le ven 05/09/2003 à 01:05, Jeff Shultz a écrit :
> Is LinuxConf/Netconf going to be included in the final release, or is
> everything going to be Drak and Webmin? 
> 
> The reason I bring this up is because I needed to edit the dns servers I
> use on my 9.2RC1 box, and that isn't an option in the Mandrake
> Control Center settings. I had to go to Webmin, which, if I didn't know
> it was there, I wouldn't have known to look for. 

In drakconnect see : configure hostname

ok it is not obvious and should really move elsewhere or the name be
changed and other pb you can specify only one DNS

Re: [Cooker] Configuration usability issue - 9.2

[Thierry Vignaud]

Jeff Shultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is LinuxConf/Netconf going to be included in the final release, or
> is everything going to be Drak and Webmin?

linuxconf has been moved from main to contribs.

it may be availlable in the powerpack (depending of what contribs
excerpt will be there).

btw, linuxconf has quite a lot of problems.
 
> The reason I bring this up is because I needed to edit the dns
> servers I use on my 9.2RC1 box, and that isn't an option in the
> Mandrake Control Center settings.

agreed.
someone asked it sometimes ago.
maybe should we add a dialog for this to drakconnect

[Cooker] [feedback requested] unmuted sound on install

[Thierry Vignaud]

Adam Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> And remember, we're not actually talking about a REGRESSION here,
> are we? Previously, when you boot up with any card and ALSA drivers,
> you get absolutely no sound at all and to fix it you run a
> mixer. Now, when you boot up with many cards you'll get fine
> sound. When you boot up with an SB Live! and four speakers you may
> only get sound from two, and to fix this you run a mixer. This is by
> no means any worse than the previous situation...

btw, i would like to hear^h^h^h^h^hgot some feedback about my fix.

any faillure or success report ?

Re: [Cooker] Configuration usability issue - 9.2

[Buchan Milne]

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Thierry Vignaud wrote:
> Jeff Shultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
>>Is LinuxConf/Netconf going to be included in the final release, or
>>is everything going to be Drak and Webmin?
>
>
> linuxconf has been moved from main to contribs.
>
> it may be availlable in the powerpack (depending of what contribs
> excerpt will be there).
>
> btw, linuxconf has quite a lot of problems.
>
>
>>The reason I bring this up is because I needed to edit the dns
>>servers I use on my 9.2RC1 box, and that isn't an option in the
>>Mandrake Control Center settings.
>
>
> agreed.
> someone asked it sometimes ago.
> maybe should we add a dialog for this to drakconnect
>

Yes, but it there are other things that should be fixed first:

- -if the user only enters one hostname, it should be hostname,
dhcp_hostname, and IMHO tmdns.conf sohuld not be touch.

- -in expert mode, the user should be able to override dhcp hostname, yet
it is still not necessary to touch tmdns.conf (it will use `hostname`).

- -I can't think of any scenario where it is useful to set the hostname in
tmdns.conf

Regards,
Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] Question from 9.1

[Buchan Milne]

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arakeis wrote:
> Does the suspend/to ram and/or to disk work on the beta ?
> If not what's the current status ?

Well, it worked on 9.1, depending on hardware and settings. Are you
using ACPI? What happens when you run 'pmsuspend'? What hardware?

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Re: [Cooker] Question from 9.1

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 12:40, arakeis wrote:
> Does the suspend/to ram and/or to disk work on the beta ?
> If not what's the current status ?

With APM, yes to both. With ACPI, yes for disk, no for RAM.
-- 
adamw

Re: [Cooker] [feedback requested] unmuted sound on install

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 12:37, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
> Adam Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > And remember, we're not actually talking about a REGRESSION here,
> > are we? Previously, when you boot up with any card and ALSA drivers,
> > you get absolutely no sound at all and to fix it you run a
> > mixer. Now, when you boot up with many cards you'll get fine
> > sound. When you boot up with an SB Live! and four speakers you may
> > only get sound from two, and to fix this you run a mixer. This is by
> > no means any worse than the previous situation...
> 
> btw, i would like to hear^h^h^h^h^hgot some feedback about my fix.
> 
> any faillure or success report ?

What's the best way for those of us with running systems to test? How
can we stop it using our stored settings via alsactl?
-- 
adamw

Re: [Cooker] Configuration usability issue - 9.2

[FACORAT Fabrice]

Le ven 05/09/2003 à 01:05, Jeff Shultz a écrit :
> Is LinuxConf/Netconf going to be included in the final release, or is
> everything going to be Drak and Webmin? 
> 
> The reason I bring this up is because I needed to edit the dns servers I
> use on my 9.2RC1 box, and that isn't an option in the Mandrake
> Control Center settings. I had to go to Webmin, which, if I didn't know
> it was there, I wouldn't have known to look for. 

In drakconnect see : configure hostname

ok it is not obvious and should really move elsewhere or the name be
changed and other pb you can specify only one DNS

Re: [Cooker] [feedback requested] unmuted sound on install

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 12:37, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
> Adam Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > And remember, we're not actually talking about a REGRESSION here,
> > are we? Previously, when you boot up with any card and ALSA drivers,
> > you get absolutely no sound at all and to fix it you run a
> > mixer. Now, when you boot up with many cards you'll get fine
> > sound. When you boot up with an SB Live! and four speakers you may
> > only get sound from two, and to fix this you run a mixer. This is by
> > no means any worse than the previous situation...
> 
> btw, i would like to hear^h^h^h^h^hgot some feedback about my fix.
> 
> any faillure or success report ?

BTW, a related question just occurred to me - is alsa-utils in the
default installation package selection? I seem to come across quite a
few people for whom volume storage across boots doesn't work because
alsactl isn't there...
-- 
adamw

[Cooker] [BUG #5284] Konqueror destroying session when closing child window

[FACORAT Fabrice]

I create a web application with PHP/PostgreSQL and I'm using PHP session
handling. Sometimes I may have child windows/popup opened. When I close
them ( from title bar or thanks to the javascript control close() ),
konqueror destroy my session. This was not the case before and epiphany
work without problem. Of course I don't touch the code of my php  site.
So the issues seems to come from Konqueror. 
That's really annoying as my app becomes unusable under Konqueror
because each time you close a child window/popup you have to log in
again.

Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] kernel-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk

[John Keller]

Buchan Milne wrote:
> Juan Quintela wrote:
> > - make xconfig works again (lufs is fixed).
> > - fix another mising  for firmware_class (gb).
> > - reenable i686-up-4GB and p3-smp-64GB, modversions should work now.
> > - mydsdt removed (now it is included in the initrd).
>
> Juan, are we going to get 2.4.23pre2 ? Or at least Jeff Garzik's patches
> implementing MII support for a lot of PCMCIA NICs? With ifplugd in the
> distro, and if aiming for good laptop support, this would be really nice
> (speaking as someone who has a PCMCIA card currently unsupported by
> ifplugd ...)

Speaking of good laptop support:

Juan, would you be able/willing to make this change?

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3125

It would solve a long-lingering bug report (check out comment 9 for links to
key messages by Andrey Borzenkov and me).

Thanks...

John

Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] kernel-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk

[John Keller]

[ I need to make a habit of using "reply-to-all"; sorry for the
double-post ]

Buchan Milne wrote:
> Juan Quintela wrote:
> > - make xconfig works again (lufs is fixed).
> > - fix another mising  for firmware_class (gb).
> > - reenable i686-up-4GB and p3-smp-64GB, modversions should work now.
> > - mydsdt removed (now it is included in the initrd).
>
> Juan, are we going to get 2.4.23pre2 ? Or at least Jeff Garzik's patches
> implementing MII support for a lot of PCMCIA NICs? With ifplugd in the
> distro, and if aiming for good laptop support, this would be really nice
> (speaking as someone who has a PCMCIA card currently unsupported by
> ifplugd ...)

Speaking of good laptop support:

Juan, would you be able/willing to make this change?

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3125

It would solve a long-lingering bug report (check out comment 9 for links to
key messages by Andrey Borzenkov and me).

Thanks...

John

[Cooker] odd urpmi problem

[Adam Williamson]

Had an odd problem with urpmi recently, is anyone else seeing this? On
both my systems, it seemingly simply will not check for hdlist for plf
from the remote source. If I do an urpmi.update -a, this is what I see
(oh, probably unrelated, but note that this is WAY slower than it used
to be - it takes ages to get through checking for cooker and contrib
hdlists, for some reason, the whole process takes about three minutes):

[EMAIL PROTECTED] radiohead]# urpmi.update -a
retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of "cooker"...
...retrieving done
examining synthesis file [/var/cache/urpmi/partial/hdlist.cooker.cz]
retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of "contrib"...
   
ftp://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS2/synthesis.hdlist2.cz
...retrieving done
examining hdlist file [/var/cache/urpmi/partial/hdlist.contrib.cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/cache/urpmi/partial/hdlist.contrib.cz]
examining MD5SUM file
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.plf.cz]
performing second pass to compute dependencies
 
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.cooker.cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.contrib.cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.plf.cz]
found 0 headers in cache
removing 0 obsolete headers in cache
write config file [/etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] radiohead]#


Note that it checks for a cooker hdlist and sees that it's up to date,
finds a newer contrib hdlist and downloads it, but for plf
does...nothing at all to check for a new hdlist. If I try with just
urpmi.update plf, I get this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] radiohead]# urpmi.update plf
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.cooker.cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.contrib.cz]
examining MD5SUM file
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.plf.cz]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] radiohead]#

With a long pause between the examination of the contrib synthesis and
"examining MD5SUM file". Again, no attempt at all to check for or
download a new hdlist. I can't see anything different about the plf
source in urpmi.cfg, from the other two sources.

ideas?
-- 
adamw

Re: [Cooker] pysol-4.81-5mdk

[Götz Waschk]

Am Montag,  1. September 2003, 10:46:44 Uhr MET, schrieb Charles A Edwards:
> Thanks to Götz pysol does now work with python-2.3.
> It does though produces a host of python related errors at launch.
> The errors do not affect game operation but they are a little
> disconcerting when pysol is called from a terminal rather than the menu
> entry.

You might want to try my new package of the fresh 4.82 release from
this address:
http://wwwra.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/Mandrake

You can also try and lobby for it's inclusion in 9.2.

CU 
-- 
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the
homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of
totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?
Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948), "Non-Violence in Peace and War"

Re: [Cooker] [feedback requested] unmuted sound on install

[Thierry Vignaud]

Adam Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> BTW, a related question just occurred to me - is alsa-utils in the
> default installation package selection? I seem to come across quite
> a few people for whom volume storage across boots doesn't work
> because alsactl isn't there...

if your first[1] sound card is managed by ALSA, then alsa-utils get
installed.

see install_any.pm:

push @{$o->{default_packages}}, "alsa", "alsa-utils" if 
modules::get_alias("sound-slot-0") =~ /^snd-/;


[1] yes, this is a bug ...

Re: [Cooker] [feedback requested] unmuted sound on install

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 14:21, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
> Adam Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > BTW, a related question just occurred to me - is alsa-utils in the
> > default installation package selection? I seem to come across quite
> > a few people for whom volume storage across boots doesn't work
> > because alsactl isn't there...
> 
> if your first[1] sound card is managed by ALSA, then alsa-utils get
> installed.
> 
> see install_any.pm:
> 
> push @{$o->{default_packages}}, "alsa", "alsa-utils" if 
> modules::get_alias("sound-slot-0") =~ /^snd-/;
> 
> 
> [1] yes, this is a bug ...

Okay, thanks.
-- 
adamw

[Cooker] What is the difference between kernels?

[Jure Repinc]

There are a lot of kernels available to install. I have 11 uf I do 
"urpmi kernel":

1- kernel-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
2- kernel-enterprise-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
3- kernel-i686-up-4GB-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
4- kernel-p3-smp-64GB-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
5- kernel-secure-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
6- kernel-smp-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
7- kernel2.4-marcelo-2.4.22-1mdk.i586
8- kernel-multimedia-2.4.21.1mm.6mdk-1-1mdk.i586
9- kernel-multimedia-smp-2.4.21.1mm.6mdk-1-1mdk.i586
10- kernel-tmb-2.4.22.3.tmb.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586
11- kernel-tmb-enterprise-2.4.22.3.tmb.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586
I wonder what are the differences between these kernels? Maybe somone 
could add some HowTo to Mandrake Wiki about this.

Re: mach 64 "problem" [was: Re: [Cooker] MDK 9.1 bugs]

[François Pons]

Kovács Géza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> >so your card is correctly detected.
> >your problem is not hardware recognition but configuration
> i guess.
> >what is your exact problem?
> 
> When installing MDK, it correctly detects an Ati Utah
> Mach64. But then, further down the list, there is also a
> Rage LT Pro entity in the list.  You are right, they ought
> to work both. 
> 
>  So I thought, that if it autodetects the card, marks it
> Mach64 utah and there is a more meaningful ATI Rage LT Pro
> entry in the list, why not make the detection result match
> exactly with the card detected? Most users can identify
> their card by (marketing) name than the included chip
> version. Mach64-s can differ quite a lot...

The description of the card should help on this, we have not one card for each
description, maybe adding description more visible would help.

François.

Re: [Cooker] odd urpmi problem

[François Pons]

Adam Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] radiohead]# urpmi.update plf
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.cooker.cz]
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.contrib.cz]
> examining MD5SUM file
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.plf.cz]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] radiohead]#

It could be normal, urpmi.update now check with md5sum of file downloaded and
file present. In this case, it check MD5SUM file (distant) with saved md5sum of
the file to download to check if they are identical.

To force download, use -f --no-md5sum as -f is needed to avoid timestamps and
size checking.

François.

Re: [Cooker] [feedback requested] unmuted sound on install

[Thierry Vignaud]

Adam Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > > And remember, we're not actually talking about a REGRESSION
> > > here, are we? Previously, when you boot up with any card and
> > > ALSA drivers, you get absolutely no sound at all and to fix it
> > > you run a mixer. Now, when you boot up with many cards you'll
> > > get fine sound. When you boot up with an SB Live! and four
> > > speakers you may only get sound from two, and to fix this you
> > > run a mixer. This is by no means any worse than the previous
> > > situation...
> > 
> > btw, i would like to hear^h^h^h^h^hgot some feedback about my fix.
> > 
> > any faillure or success report ?
> 
> What's the best way for those of us with running systems to test?
> How can we stop it using our stored settings via alsactl?

you've two options

- without installing:
  o "service alsa stop"
  o rm -f /etc/.aumixrc /etc/asound.state
(or "for i in /etc/.aumixrc /etc/asound.state; do mv ${i}{,.mine};done")
  o service sound start
- doing an install (not an update)

Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] kernel-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk

[Thomas Backlund]

From: "Juan Quintela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > "danny" ==   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> Juan Quintela wrote:
> >> -=-=-=-
> >> Name: kernel-2.4.22.5mdk   Relocations: (not
relocateable)
> >> Version : 1 Vendor: MandrakeSoft
> >> Release : 1mdk  Build Date: Fri Sep  5
> >> 15:10:17 2003
> >> Install Date: (not installed)   Build Host:
> >> no.mandrakesoft.com
> >> Group   : System/Kernel and hardwareSource RPM: (none)
> >> Size: 38819571 License: GPL
> >> Signature   : (none)
> >> Packager: Mandrake Linux Team 
> >> URL : http://www.kernel.org/
> >> Summary : The Linux kernel (the core of the Linux operating
system).
> >>
> >> -=-=-=-
> >> Juan Quintela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.4.22-5mdk
> >>
> >> - make xconfig works again (lufs is fixed).
> >> - fix another mising  for firmware_class (gb).
> >> - reenable i686-up-4GB and p3-smp-64GB, modversions should work now.
> >> - mydsdt removed (now it is included in the initrd).
>
> No full pre2, only selected bits.
>
> danny> Can we please have the bugfix for supermount (v 1.2.9) ? it fixes
the
> danny> init.h on non-i386, and It fixes the "stale NFS
> danny> handle" error when doing ls in /mnt/cdrom.
>
> But we can have the ethertool fixes and supermonut v1.2.9.  Althought
> the init.h thing has already been fixed.
>
>
[...]

Juan, just for your info, in case you haven't looked at them,
my current patchset against 2.4.22-3mdk:
http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/2.4.22-3.tmb.2mdk_patches.tar.bz2

It has:
MC25_mod_dvb.desc
- corrects old outdated info about mod_dvb

MC25_mod_dvb-1.0.0cvs.tar
- mod_dvb 1.0.0 with updates/fixes from cvs
- we really need to use their new makefiles, since
   they are using linking / relinking to get it done, and
   the way I have them now they are confirmed to work,
   even if they are partly uggly...
   I'll clean them up better later...

MC27_atmelwlan_2.1.2.2.tar
- from this I have only removed the unneeded file:
  3rdparty/atmelwlan/pcmf502_revd/.Makefile.swp
  wich also breaks the possibility to copy kernel-source
  without beeing root...

MC39_acx100-0.1h.tar
- update acx100 to 0.1h since the previous version _is_buggy

ZT01_powernow_k7_fix.patch
- fixes a bug in powenow-k7 code due to a simple typo...

ZT02_build_sis_char.patch
- adds missing Config.in/Makefile info to build sis char support

ZT05_alsa_core_seq_Makefile_fix.patch
ZT06_alsa_master_Makefile_fix.patch
- theese two fixes some duplicates in the makefiles,
   and adds some missing ones...

ZT08_sound_ali5455_0.03ac.patch
- updates ali5455 to 0.03ac

ZT10_usb_scanner_0.4.14.patch
- updates usb scanner database to 0.4.14

 ZT11_usb_serial_add_ids.patch
- adds more ids to support visor/garmin,
   edgeport, and ftdi_sio...


ZT12_usb_storage_unusual_devs.patch
ZT13_missing_unusual_dev_defs.patch
- adds support for more cameras, cd's, and memorysticks..

ZT16_supermount-ng_1.2.8-1.2.9.patch
- this one upgrades supermount-ng to 1.2.9, but you have
   to remove the add init.h fix, since it's already fixed AFAIK..

Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] mandrake_theme-0.0.5-1mdk

[John Keller]

Buchan Milne wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Steffen Barszus wrote:
> > Wouldn't it be nice to have a kde(gnome?)-splash screen in that theme as
> > well ?
> >
>
> Yes. And gdm themes (present in mandrake_theme, but not others). Maybe
> Olivier Blin has had time to look at this
> (bootsplash-themes->mandrake_theme_XXX)?

I (John! :) had finished initial versions of GDM themes, as promised, late
on Tuesday (France time). I sent personal messages to Brant and Tim, but
haven't gotten a reply yet. I hesitate posting them before they give
approval (also, I needed Brant to help with the metallic background because
I don't have Photoshop and the required filters).

Brant, Tim? Let me know by e-mailing me directly, when you get a chance. I
have a couple of very small tweaks that I want to make, but I planned on
holding off until I heard from each of you. Also, there were a couple of
other questions I had posed in my messages.

Also, I had posted a decidedly unsexy but important question to the list,
without any replies: Who gets listed in the GDM copyright message? Images
are by Brant and Tim, but icons by Mdk. Not having a copyright isn't really
an option, because the GDM selector always displays that entry even if it's
empty.

Anyone? Anyone? Ferris?

- John

Re: [Cooker] MDK 9.1 bugs

[Damien Chaumette]

Thierry Vignaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Kovács Géza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [...] 
> > - Alcatel and Sagem USB adsl adapters are listed. I wonder
> > if it is compatible with the Telindus  and likes (very
> > frequent in Hungary and Germany)
> 
> probably not.
> poulpy ?

Well as each usb adsl modem uses its own microcode it's quite hopeless
to use one's configuration (protocol, microcode, ...) for another.

-- 
Damien Chaumette
MandrakeSoft

Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] mandrake_theme-0.0.5-1mdk

[Buchan Milne]

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John Keller wrote:
> Buchan Milne wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Steffen Barszus wrote:
>>
>>>Wouldn't it be nice to have a kde(gnome?)-splash screen in that theme as
>>>well ?
>>>
>>
>>Yes. And gdm themes (present in mandrake_theme, but not others). Maybe
>>Olivier Blin has had time to look at this
>>(bootsplash-themes->mandrake_theme_XXX)?
>
>
> I (John! :) had finished initial versions of GDM themes, as promised, late
> on Tuesday (France time). I sent personal messages to Brant and Tim, but
> haven't gotten a reply yet. I hesitate posting them before they give
> approval (also, I needed Brant to help with the metallic background
because
> I don't have Photoshop and the required filters).
>
> Brant, Tim? Let me know by e-mailing me directly, when you get a chance. I
> have a couple of very small tweaks that I want to make, but I planned on
> holding off until I heard from each of you. Also, there were a couple of
> other questions I had posed in my messages.
>
> Also, I had posted a decidedly unsexy but important question to the list,
> without any replies: Who gets listed in the GDM copyright message? Images
> are by Brant and Tim, but icons by Mdk. Not having a copyright isn't
really
> an option, because the GDM selector always displays that entry even if
it's
> empty.
>

"Mandrakesoft (icons) and (Brant Fitzsimmons|Timothy Butler) (original
background artwork)"
?

If no contributors give better copyright statements ->tough ;-).

Glad yto hear there is progress ..

Regards,
Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] odd urpmi problem

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 14:42, François Pons wrote:
> Adam Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] radiohead]# urpmi.update plf
> > examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.cooker.cz]
> > examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.contrib.cz]
> > examining MD5SUM file
> > examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.plf.cz]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] radiohead]#
> 
> It could be normal, urpmi.update now check with md5sum of file downloaded and
> file present. In this case, it check MD5SUM file (distant) with saved md5sum of
> the file to download to check if they are identical.
> 
> To force download, use -f --no-md5sum as -f is needed to avoid timestamps and
> size checking.

Aha, thanks. So why does this not happen with cooker and contrib
sources? No MD5 to compare?
-- 
adamw

Re: [Cooker] odd urpmi problem

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 14:42, François Pons wrote:
> Adam Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] radiohead]# urpmi.update plf
> > examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.cooker.cz]
> > examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.contrib.cz]
> > examining MD5SUM file
> > examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.plf.cz]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] radiohead]#
> 
> It could be normal, urpmi.update now check with md5sum of file downloaded and
> file present. In this case, it check MD5SUM file (distant) with saved md5sum of
> the file to download to check if they are identical.
> 
> To force download, use -f --no-md5sum as -f is needed to avoid timestamps and
> size checking.

Okay, just tried with --no-md5sum and it decided plf was current, so
sounds like that's it. However, it seems the md5sum stage is responsible
for the slowdown - the whole thing is a LOT faster with -a --no-md5sum
than with just -a. Any idea why it takes so long?
-- 
adamw

Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] mandrake_theme-0.0.5-1mdk

[John Keller]

Buchan Milne wrote:
> "Mandrakesoft (icons) and (Brant Fitzsimmons|Timothy Butler) (original
> background artwork)"
> ?


Good idea. I'll change the .desktop files before things make it to the list.

> If no contributors give better copyright statements ->tough ;-).


:D

Happy to defer to "da boyz"/Mdk (Hélène?) if they prefer something
different.

> Glad yto hear there is progress ..


Yup. Just in fits and starts. Normal for me. :)

- John

[Cooker] warning during scli update

[Pascal Terjan]

installation de 
//var/mirror/cooker/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/scli-0.2.12-2mdk.i586.rpm
Préparation... 
##
 166:scli 
##
install-info: warning: no info dir entry in `/usr/share/info/scli.info.bz2'

Re: [Cooker] [feedback requested] unmuted sound on install

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 14:33, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
> Adam Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > > > And remember, we're not actually talking about a REGRESSION
> > > > here, are we? Previously, when you boot up with any card and
> > > > ALSA drivers, you get absolutely no sound at all and to fix it
> > > > you run a mixer. Now, when you boot up with many cards you'll
> > > > get fine sound. When you boot up with an SB Live! and four
> > > > speakers you may only get sound from two, and to fix this you
> > > > run a mixer. This is by no means any worse than the previous
> > > > situation...
> > > 
> > > btw, i would like to hear^h^h^h^h^hgot some feedback about my fix.
> > > 
> > > any faillure or success report ?
> > 
> > What's the best way for those of us with running systems to test?
> > How can we stop it using our stored settings via alsactl?
> 
> you've two options
> 
> - without installing:
>   o "service alsa stop"
>   o rm -f /etc/.aumixrc /etc/asound.state
> (or "for i in /etc/.aumixrc /etc/asound.state; do mv ${i}{,.mine};done")
>   o service sound start

Okay, done for my desktop. This is how settings wind up, with
snd-intel8x0 driver:

master 65, master mono 65, two weird 3d control options 25 and 25, pcm
65, surround 65, center 100, lfe 65, line 65, cd 65, mic 65 and set as
recording device, video 65, phone 65, iec958 0 (whatever the heck that
is), iec958 input monitor 0 (ditto), pc speaker 25, aux 65, capture 25
and a bunch of other weird ones set to zero and unmuted. So basically it
looks like it's working. With these settings sound is audible but not
perfectly tuned, but that's understandable as using nforce2 audio with
the snd-intel8x0 audio is really freaking odd, some settings do very
bizarre things I haven't really worked out yet (I think something to do
with surround sound) and getting good sound is a matter of
trial-and-error tinkering. Hopefully ALSA will manage to make the
options more sane in future...
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Re: [Cooker] What is the difference between kernels?

[John Keller]

Jure Repinc wrote:
> There are a lot of kernels available to install. I have 11 uf I do
> "urpmi kernel":
>
> 1- kernel-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> 2- kernel-enterprise-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> 3- kernel-i686-up-4GB-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> 4- kernel-p3-smp-64GB-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> 5- kernel-secure-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> 6- kernel-smp-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> 7- kernel2.4-marcelo-2.4.22-1mdk.i586
> 8- kernel-multimedia-2.4.21.1mm.6mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> 9- kernel-multimedia-smp-2.4.21.1mm.6mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> 10- kernel-tmb-2.4.22.3.tmb.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> 11- kernel-tmb-enterprise-2.4.22.3.tmb.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586
>
> I wonder what are the differences between these kernels? Maybe somone
> could add some HowTo to Mandrake Wiki about this.

Good idea. I'll start a rough page with what (little) I know at:
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MdkKernel92

Do people think it should be made into a non-release specific page? I
started with the "92" suffix because I figured some kernel variations made
fade out (when 2.6 comes into itss own) or have changes in goals
(potentially Thomas's if he ever gets an itch to focus on a particular type
of patch).

- John

Re: [Victor Roetman] [Cooker] Simplified Chinese and 9.2-RC1 problems

[Thierry Vignaud]

Pablo Saratxaga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The problem of missing rpm packages in RC1 concerns various other
> packages as well, and it will be handled; it isn't a Chinese
> specific problem however.

indeed.
 
> > Details:
> > I initially installed using English with added Chinese language
> > support.  I changed KDE to use Chinese using the
> > "Accessibility|Country - Region and Language" setting. (where else
> > would the average user change this?)
> 
> You should do it trough localedrake; however... I see it doesn't
> appear in mandrake control center!

i do not remember the exact reason why but interface team never wanted
it to be visible (maybe was it because it can work without root
capabilities?)
dadou?

however, it's availlable through a menu entry in Configuration/Other
sub menu.

> I don't think KDE control center defines the needed things for the
> XIM methods.
> Maybe KDE should be patched so it calls localedrake in batch mode
> with the right values ?

isn't it already the case ?
laurent ?

> (localedrake defines language variables, but also input method and
> KDE default fonts; KDE language panel only defines language)
> 
> > By the way, quitting KDE does not go back to the graphical login
> > xdm mode (even though I am in runlevel 5).  This happens both when
> > auto-logging in and when manually logging in.
> 
> xdm (contrary to mode modern *dm) doesn't monitor itself to catch
> problems and reload. I don't know much about xdm; but it should have
> written some important logs into a log file before crashing; someone
> should tell where the file should be found.

anyway, kdm, mdkkdm and gdm are a lot saner regarding robustness or
l10n support (though they're quite slower to load on my old machine)
 
> > drakconf works fine with simplified chinese.
> 
> gtk2 programs are able of finding missing glyphs from other fonts if
> needed; so you never have the "square box" problem (unless you don't
> have any single font at all with those characters of course),

err, i did see that bug while testing chinese

for now, i can only reproduce it with traditional chinese but i
remember i had saw it for at least one other cjk language and one
"neither cjk nor latin" language.

eg: look at the box with 59.. numbers in "drakxtv --testing" for zh_TH:
<>
there's also another box with numbers one character right to the
"Radio" checkbox.

for now, only 


> > Redhad does this by default.  gdm seems to be able to do it.

as our gdm is able to (but see also other pablo's notes)

> > People need to be able to choose their language before logging in,
> > and not have to negotiate menus in English. Chinese speakers (who
> > have little or no English) have no problems using Redhat - it all
> > works out of the box.
> 
> It should be the same for 9.2, once the bugs get solved.

Re: [Cooker] What is the difference between kernels?

[Thomas Backlund]

From: "Jure Repinc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> There are a lot of kernels available to install. I have 11 uf I do 
> "urpmi kernel":
> 
#Theese ar MDK kernels (in main/cooker, and will be on the ISO:s):
> 1- kernel-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
- i586optimized, single processor, no highmem => 
  less that 1GB Ram (or actually about 880MB)

> 2- kernel-enterprise-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
- i686 optimized, smp support, highmem support <= 4GB

> 3- kernel-i686-up-4GB-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
- i686 optimized, single processor,  highmem <=4GB

> 4- kernel-p3-smp-64GB-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
- P3 optimized, smp support, highmem <=64GB

> 5- kernel-secure-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
- i586 optimised, secured with grsec, smp support, no highmem

> 6- kernel-smp-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
- i586 optimised, smp support, no highmem

> 7- kernel2.4-marcelo-2.4.22-1mdk.i586
- plain kernel.org kernel, 
- i586 support, single processor, no highmem



#Theese are in Contribs:
- Danny's low-latency patched kernels:
> 8- kernel-multimedia-2.4.21.1mm.6mdk-1-1mdk.i586
- i586 optimized, single processor, no himem

> 9- kernel-multimedia-smp-2.4.21.1mm.6mdk-1-1mdk.i586
- i586 optimized, smp support, higmem support <= 4GB



#Theese are in Contribs:
- My "hackkernels"... with more pathches, some of them,
   can be very experimental, somewhat a testing ground 
   for patches that may ( ! no promises ! ) end up in main
   mdk kernel
> 10- kernel-tmb-2.4.22.3.tmb.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586
- based on MDK up kernel, firts numbers in version tells you
   wich kernel they are based on: 2.4.22.3 => 2.4.33-3mdk

> 11- kernel-tmb-enterprise-2.4.22.3.tmb.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586
- based on MDK enterprise kernel, first numbers in version tells you
   wich kernel they are based on: 2.4.22.3 => 2.4.33-3mdk


> I wonder what are the differences between these kernels? Maybe somone 
> could add some HowTo to Mandrake Wiki about this.
> 

That may be a good idea...


Regards

Thomas

[Cooker] [Bug 5277] [k3b] New: konq servicemenu: mangled German entries

[[rickscafe.casablanca]]

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5277

   Product: k3b
 Component: k3b
   Summary: konq servicemenu: mangled German entries
   Product: k3b
   Version: 0.9-9mdk
  Platform: Other
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
 Component: k3b
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


k3b/src/konqi/*.desktop 
 
s/[de]=de]=/[de]=/ 
 
I reported this a month ago to both k3b ML and cooker ML. It's still not fixed 
in CVS.

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Re: [Cooker] What is the difference between kernels?

[Thomas Backlund]

From: "Thomas Backlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "Jure Repinc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > There are a lot of kernels available to install. I have 11 uf I do 
> > "urpmi kernel":
> > 
> #Theese ar MDK kernels (in main/cooker, and will be on the ISO:s):
> > 1- kernel-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> - i586optimized, single processor, no highmem => 
>   less that 1GB Ram (or actually about 880MB)
> 
> > 2- kernel-enterprise-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> - i686 optimized, smp support, highmem support <= 4GB
> 
> > 3- kernel-i686-up-4GB-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> - i686 optimized, single processor,  highmem <=4GB
> 
> > 4- kernel-p3-smp-64GB-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> - P3 optimized, smp support, highmem <=64GB
> 
> > 5- kernel-secure-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> - i586 optimised, secured with grsec, smp support, no highmem
> 
> > 6- kernel-smp-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> - i586 optimised, smp support, no highmem
> 
> > 7- kernel2.4-marcelo-2.4.22-1mdk.i586
> - plain kernel.org kernel, 
> - i586 support, single processor, no highmem
> 
> 
> 
> #Theese are in Contribs:
> - Danny's low-latency patched kernels:
> > 8- kernel-multimedia-2.4.21.1mm.6mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> - i586 optimized, single processor, no himem
> 
> > 9- kernel-multimedia-smp-2.4.21.1mm.6mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> - i586 optimized, smp support, higmem support <= 4GB
> 
> 
> 
> #Theese are in Contribs:
> - My "hackkernels"... with more pathches, some of them,
>can be very experimental, somewhat a testing ground 
>for patches that may ( ! no promises ! ) end up in main
>mdk kernel
> > 10- kernel-tmb-2.4.22.3.tmb.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> - based on MDK up kernel, firts numbers in version tells you
>wich kernel they are based on: 2.4.22.3 => 2.4.33-3mdk
> 
> > 11- kernel-tmb-enterprise-2.4.22.3.tmb.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> - based on MDK enterprise kernel, first numbers in version tells you
>wich kernel they are based on: 2.4.22.3 => 2.4.33-3mdk
> 

Stupid typos  :-( .  I need _a lot_ more coffee ...

I of couse ment that version numbers before '.tmb.' tells you wich
kernel it's based on so: 2.4.22.3 => 2.4.22-3mdk 

> 
> > I wonder what are the differences between these kernels? Maybe somone 
> > could add some HowTo to Mandrake Wiki about this.
> > 
> 
> That may be a good idea...
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Thomas
> 

[Cooker] [Bug 4988] [drakxtools] [autologin] No GUI interface when logging in as a different user

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 10:31 ---
I am using KDE. 
My "/etc/sysconfig/desktop" file contains only one line which reads: 
DESKTOP=KDE 
 
If you need it, I can certainly e-mail it to you as well. 

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I'm not sure of what component controls this function: 
Using Mandrake 9.2 RC1, when I attempt to log-in as a different user, the GUI 
log-in interface does not appear. I am given a command prompt for login.

Re: [Cooker] odd urpmi problem

[François Pons]

Adam Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Okay, just tried with --no-md5sum and it decided plf was current, so
> sounds like that's it. However, it seems the md5sum stage is responsible
> for the slowdown - the whole thing is a LOT faster with -a --no-md5sum
> than with just -a. Any idea why it takes so long?

Check a /var/lib/urpmi/MD5SUM file is present ? and contains something ?

Maybe urpmi compute each time md5sum ? which is not so normal...

François.

Re: [Cooker] Re: Is there somewhere I can get the all the old Mandrake kernels??

[Ben Reser]

On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 10:54:04AM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
> But wouldn't most of the revision tools (cvs, arch, subversion) do this
> too? Wouldn't CVS (or arch or subversion) be more functional now that we
> have more than one person working on patch sets?

Yeah, but I don't think that's what he was talking about.  I thought
people wanted the prebuilt kernels.  Not just the stuff in cvs.  *shrug*

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[Cooker] [Bug 5278] [yelp] New: updating yelp blocks urpmi

[[zeb]]

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5278

   Product: yelp
 Component: packaging
   Summary: updating yelp blocks urpmi
   Product: yelp
   Version: 2.3.90-2mdk
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
 Component: packaging
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Updating yelp makes urpmi go to an infinite loop. Maybe a problem in the
post-install script ?

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[Cooker] [Bug 5279] [Installation] New: installation hangs up when gxedit is selected

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http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5279

   Product: Installation
 Component: Installation
   Summary: installation hangs up when gxedit is selected
   Product: Installation
   Version: 1.830
  Platform: Other
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
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During the standard installation procedure of Mandrake9.2 RC1 when I select 
the gxedit package the installation hangs up. The mouse can still be moved but 
nothing can be selected anymore and the package info panel on the right shows 
no info anymore. It only happens with this particular package.

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[Cooker] [Bug 5277] [k3b] konq servicemenu: mangled German entries

[[rickscafe.casablanca]]

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 10:43 ---
sorry, it is fixed in k3b CVS. I only saw the rev dates and didn't check the 
files. 
 
 

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s/[de]=de]=/[de]=/ 
 
I reported this a month ago to both k3b ML and cooker ML. It's still not fixed 
in CVS.

[Cooker] urpmi problem during auto-select

[Pascal Terjan]

installation de 
//var/mirror/cooker/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/bootloader-utils-1.6-1mdk.i586.rpm
Préparation... 
##
L'installation a échoué:
file /etc/rc.d/init.d/kheader from install of 
bootloader-utils-1.6-1mdk conflicts with file from package 
initscripts-7.06-20mdk

installation de 
//var/mirror/cooker/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/initscripts-7.06-23mdk.i586.rpm
L'installation a échoué:
bootloader-utils > 1.4-1mdk is needed by initscripts-7.06-23mdk

[Cooker] [Bug 5194] [kernel] Mustek GSmartMini2 USB digicamera not recognized

[[weiss]]

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 11:11 ---
1) kernel 2.4.21-6 on cooker system:
digicam is recognized regulary. there is only one problem: when i want to delete
images in GTKam i get an error message: 
"Could not delete file 'Image001.jpg' in folder '/' ".
so i have to delete it on the cam which is not a real problem.

2) kernel 2.4.22-4 on MDK 9.1:
digicam is not recognized by any program.

so i guess the problem is the kernel, except of the error message: "Could not
delete file 'Image001.jpg' in folder '/' ", which could be because of libgphoto2.

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I can not load the digicamera Mustek GSmartMini2. Error messages with GTKam:
"Bad parameters: Could not list folders in /"
"Bad parameters: Could not initialize camera"

With MDK9.1 and kernel 2.4.21-x I have no problems.

[Cooker] [Bug 5278] [yelp] updating yelp blocks urpmi

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 11:21 ---
there is no freeze.. yelp-pregenerate (done is %post) is VERY long to complete..





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Updating yelp makes urpmi go to an infinite loop. Maybe a problem in the
post-install script ?

[Cooker] [Bug 4644] [mozilla-mail] Error Createing New Mail

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 11:21 ---
Nice guess..

Daouda, any idea on that ?

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error occurred while creating a n message compose window. Please try again."

[Cooker] [Bug 5276] [samba-client] error updating samba-client

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 11:34 ---
me too(tm) 

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update gave me :
error: %preun(samba-client-2.2.8a-9mdk) scriptlet failed, exit status 1

[Cooker] [Bug 3305] [drakxtools] Window pops from one place to the next unexpectedly

[[beansack]]

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 11:41 ---
This had been fixed as of todays cooker...

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Open Drakboot.  Click Configure under Lilo.. and then click advanced. Click
basic.  Move the window to the side of the screen.  Resize the window, from the
bottom, and then click Advanced.  It pops to the center of the screen.

[Cooker] [Bug 3330] [menu] In What to do > Administor the system > add or remove programs is still there

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 11:45 ---
This has been half fixed w/ the addition of the "Browse Availible Software" 
entry. But its setup to go to rpmdrake.. not rpmdrake-remove.

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It should be split up in to two parts:

Install Programs
Remove/View Programs

[Cooker] [Bug 3417] [drakconf] Cosmetic: top of seperator does not match bottom

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 11:48 ---
Ok this is still here... would someone please apply my fix... its as simple as 
replacing one tiny image.

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[Cooker] [Bug 3426] [galaxy-kde-kwin] Buttons look incomplete

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 11:53 ---
Though less now this is still there my test for "is this a bug?" is if it 
looks like this in Gnome and it does not. Alss a recent review had stated that 
the kde Galaxy these looks incomplete as of 9.1. This is just an example.

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The buttons looks like there is a small sliver missing at the bottom of them. 
I'm calling this major because this will be the default theme for kde for 9.1
and this makes it look incomplete.  I will include a screenshot.

[Cooker] [Bug 5206] [Installation] Previous swap partition renamed and error messages...

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Try swapon -s and se if you have a working swap after installing over a previous
version...I don't...I swapon after bootup...
The error message is still there...mount:mount point swap does not exist.
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Sorry if this is old news to you all. I just installed 9.2 rc1 and had a
existing partition that the installation program accepted. While rebooting from
hd I got this error message...
mount:mount point swap does not exist.
I tested fdisk and my swap-partition was renamed to 83 linux instead of 82 swap.
I checked fstab and it loooked ok, with my swap partition. I did mkswap
/dev/hda2 and swapon /dev/hda2 and no complains...After rebooting I got the same
error message...

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[Cooker] [Bug 5276] [samba-client] error updating samba-client

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I think this is due to a missing %{alternative_major} in the update-alternatives
in the preun script of 2.2.8a-9mdk, which was fixed by 2.2.8a-10mdk. See: 
http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/SPECS/samba/samba.spec.diff?r1=1.135&r2=1.134&f=h
(line 1369).

Please note that %preun/%postun scripts show the bugs in *previous* packages ...

I did ask people not to file bugs relating to alternatives between -9mdk and
-11mdk ...

Please reopen if -11mdk doesn't fix this (you can test by 'rpm -Uvh --force
samba-client-2.2.8a-11mdk.i586.rpm').

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error: %preun(samba-client-2.2.8a-9mdk) scriptlet failed, exit status 1

Re: [Cooker] What is the difference between kernels?

[John Keller]

Jure Repinc wrote:
> There are a lot of kernels available to install. I have 11 uf I do
> "urpmi kernel":
> [snip]
> I wonder what are the differences between these kernels? Maybe somone
> could add some HowTo to Mandrake Wiki about this.

Okay, it's up and ready for proofreading (and for being torn apart! :):
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MdkKernel92

I may be a bit off on some things, so anyone who wants, feel free to correct
the page!

Note that I removed minor release numbers in titles. I show them in
examples, and then explain the parts. This should help avoid premature aging
of the information as well as teach people how to decipher release numbers
on their own.

Also, I didn't put in anything for the 2.5/.6 kernel branch, but people are
welcome to do so. Hopefully my template helps out with that.

- John

[Cooker] [Bug 5009] [console-tools] Console Uzbek keymap

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 12:35 ---
Pleeease  include it. :-) 
 
Thanks. 

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Uzbek-cyrillic unicode keymap for console.

[Cooker] [Bug 5008] [console-tools] Extended cyrillic console font

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 12:34 ---
Please include it. :-) 
 
Thanks. 

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It includes all glyphs from UniCyr_8x16 and in addition most glyphs of the 
Unicode "Extended Cyrillic" table (0x480-0x4ff). Uzbek, Tajik, Mongolian, and 
Azerbaijani i18n teams will benefit from it.

[Cooker] [Bug 5262] [tetex-xdvi] xdvi wrapper script fails to pass command-line arguments to xdvi.bin

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 12:40 ---
Sound like bash (/bin/sh) is broken...

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Regardless of what command-line parameters I give to xdvi, it always displays
the usage message and quits. It seems like the arguments are not getting passed
to the executable called from the wrapper script.

$ xdvi file.dvi
Usage: xdvi [+[]] [-regression] [-s ] [-S ] [-nogrey]
[-gamma ] [-install] [-noinstall] [-rulecolor ] [-p ]
[-margins ] [-sidemargin ] [-topmargin ]
[-offsets ] [-xoffset ] [-yoffset ]
[-paper ] [-altfont ] [-nomakepk] [-mfmode ]
[-editor ] [-not1lib] ...

[Cooker] [Bug 5262] [tetex-xdvi] xdvi wrapper script fails to pass command-line arguments to xdvi.bin

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alternatively can you try:

a) on a clean new user (i.e. a new created user, without pre-existing .*rc* files).

b) verify the tetex installtion with rpm -V tetex-xdvi (etc.)



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Usage: xdvi [+[]] [-regression] [-s ] [-S ] [-nogrey]
[-gamma ] [-install] [-noinstall] [-rulecolor ] [-p ]
[-margins ] [-sidemargin ] [-topmargin ]
[-offsets ] [-xoffset ] [-yoffset ]
[-paper ] [-altfont ] [-nomakepk] [-mfmode ]
[-editor ] [-not1lib] ...

[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] kernel-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk

[danny]

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Juan Quintela wrote:

> But we can have the ethertool fixes and supermonut v1.2.9.  Althought
> the init.h thing has already been fixed.
ok thx!

> 
> 
> danny> btw, Juan: why was mini-lowlat removed? What exactly went wrong? I 
> danny> currently have also a problem in getting full lowlat working with 2.4.22, 
> danny> just wondering if you also got schedule called during an interrupt? Any 
> danny> idea how to fix?
> 
> Yep, I also get it, and have _no_ idea why it happens.  It is in a
> section of code were lowlatency makes no changes.  My guess is that it
> is related with the swsuspend code, but were unable to arrive to one
> conclusion :(

Great, if you could not find it either I am not that stupid!
I was currently putting printks all over the place, but I suspected swsusp 
as well (I know Con Kolivas doesn't have it in his patches for same 
reason) so perhaps I just make next kernel-mm without software suspend.

bye,
d.

[Cooker] [Bug 4924] [kernel] via-rhine deadlocks kernel 2.4.22.1 with acpi enabled

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 12:55 ---
I've the same problem on my notebook, an Acer Aspire 1310XV.  
When running with my old kernel, 2.4.22.0.6(with a patch for the powernow-k7 
module) i boots just fine. But all the other more recent kernels i've tried, my 
computer hangs when loading the via-rhine module. 
 
Here's what i get with the old kernel: 
via-rhine.c:v1.10-LK1.1.19  July-12-2003  Written by Donald Becker 
  http://www.scyld.com/network/via-rhine.html 
eth0: VIA VT6102 Rhine-II at 0xf0008000, 00:c0:9f:24:67:8b, IRQ 11. 
eth0: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x7829 advertising 01e1 Link 45e1. 
 
And here's what i get with one of the new kernels(2.4.22-0.8 i think): 
via-rhine.c:v1.10-LK1.1.19  July-12-2003  Written by Donald Becker 
  http://www.scyld.com/network/via-rhine.html 
eth0: VIA VT6102 Rhine-II at 0xe200, 00:c0:9f:24:67:8b, IRQ 10. 
eth0: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x782d advertising 01e1 Link 45e1. 
eth0: via_rhine_open() irq 10. 
eth0: Reset succesed. 
eth0: setting full-duplex based on MII #1 link partner capability of 45e1. 
eth0: Done via_rhine_open(), status 0c1a MII status: 782d 
eth0: VIA Rhine monitor tick, status . 
 
Running without acpi is not an option, since its a notebook. 

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I've been running 9.2b2 plus kernel 2.4.21.6mdk on a VIA EPIA M1N (C3,
Nehemiah) motherboard for a week or so, using the integrated via-rhine ethernet
just fine. 

I just upgraded to 2.4.22.1, and as soon as the init scripts brought up eth0,
the system hung solid (dead even to magic sysreq keys).

I rebooted in the old kernel, removed ifcfg-eth0 to disable ethernet startup,
and rebooted in 2.4.22.1 again.

Everything ran fine - dmesg showed the via being detected etc. I did a (manual)
ifconfig eth0 x.x.x.x, which seemed OK, and then I did another ifconfig to
correct the netmask and broadcast and about 1-2 seconds later, the system was
hung again.

I don't think it was setting up the interface that killed it, but more probably
the actual transmission or reception of a packet. The dmesg showed the MII
negotiating ok in the first step, but nothing after that.
(eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII #1 link partner capability of 45e1.)

2.4.21-6 shows this as:

via-rhine.c:v1.10-LK1.1.17  March-1-2003  Written by Donald Becker
  http://www.scyld.com/network/via-rhine.html
eth0: VIA VT6102 Rhine-II at 0xec00, 00:40:63:d3:5b:f9, IRQ 11.
eth0: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x786d advertising 05e1 Link 45e1.

Without sysreq, I can't get a trace of where it's stuck. Is there any other easy
way to get more debug info on this?

Hope it's an easily fixed, as I'm looking forward to 9.2 final on this little box...

Cheers
Cris

[Cooker] [Bug 56] [drakxtools] Not asking for CD in IPMASQ wizard, if wrong crashes

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This bug has been automatically updated to last version of product available. 

Please check if it is still valid.


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When running the IPMASQ (Internet Sharing) wizard from MCC, it will error and
fail near the end with a error msg about unable to install DHCP server, UNLESS
you have CD1 in your drive, which then it works.  It doesnt ask for a CD to be
inserted, or tell you to.

Re: [Cooker] What is the difference between kernels?

[Jure Repinc]

John Keller wrote:
Okay, it's up and ready for proofreading (and for being torn apart! :):
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MdkKernel92
Wow nice work. It will definitely help me and probably others. Thanks 
for all your work, it is great.

Re: [Cooker] What is the difference between kernels?

[Guillaume Rousse]

Ainsi parlait Thomas Backlund :
> From: "Jure Repinc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > There are a lot of kernels available to install. I have 11 uf I do
> > "urpmi kernel":
>
> #Theese ar MDK kernels (in main/cooker, and will be on the ISO:s):
> > 1- kernel-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
>
> - i586optimized, single processor, no highmem =>
>   less that 1GB Ram (or actually about 880MB)
>
> > 2- kernel-enterprise-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
>
> - i686 optimized, smp support, highmem support <= 4GB
>
> > 3- kernel-i686-up-4GB-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
>
> - i686 optimized, single processor,  highmem <=4GB
>
> > 4- kernel-p3-smp-64GB-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
>
> - P3 optimized, smp support, highmem <=64GB
>
> > 5- kernel-secure-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
>
> - i586 optimised, secured with grsec, smp support, no highmem
>
> > 6- kernel-smp-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk.i586
>
> - i586 optimised, smp support, no highmem
What's the interest of providing so much different builds of the same kernel ?
Someone with real needs for optimisations such as i686, smp or highmem support 
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[Cooker] [Bug 5280] [kdesdk] New: KBabel Catalog Manager hangs when changing files in PO or POT directory

[[jlp]]

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   Product: kdesdk
 Component: program
   Summary: KBabel Catalog Manager hangs when changing files in PO
or POT directory
   Product: kdesdk
   Version: 3.1.3-6mdk
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: major
  Priority: P2
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In Kbabel Catalog Manager you set base PO and POT directories that the app uses
to display the tree of translations. But if you leave the app runing and then
delete or add some PO or POT file in this directory structure then KBabel
Catalog Manager freezes or hangs and you have to kill it and restart it to use
it again.

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[Cooker] [Bug 5007] [Installation] RC1: Failed install for i810 chipset

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This looks similar:

https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5193


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HW is Compaq D3vm, integrated graphic chipset i810.

Start of X server crash with "no screen found" error message.

Other relevant messages:
trying to load i810fb module with res <800> (vga was 788)
warning: insmoding module i810fb failed in perl* line 408


Previous installation for Beta1, Beta2, MDK 9.1 works OK.

[Cooker] [Bug 5194] [kernel] Mustek GSmartMini2 USB digicamera not recognized

[[till]]

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-05-09 13:53 ---
Deleting pictures with gphoto2 is not possible for all camera models. So it is
possible that on yours gphoto2 can only download but not delete.

But your kernel tests show that it is the kernel which prevents your camera from
working with the Cooker.

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"Bad parameters: Could not list folders in /"
"Bad parameters: Could not initialize camera"

With MDK9.1 and kernel 2.4.21-x I have no problems.

Re: [Cooker] NTFS and Unicode

[Gary L. Greene]

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On Saturday 06 September 2003 04:00 am, Helge Hielscher wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Since I cant use bugzilla (much too slow here), I try my luck in the
> mailinglist.
>
> The problem is, that I cant see folders and files from my (XP)NTFS
> partition that contain cyrillic characters.
>
> The Line in /etc/fstab wasnt modified after installation and looks like
> /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,umask=0 0 0
>
> And I get errors like:
> Sep  6 01:19:26 localhost kernel: NTFS-fs error (device 03:01):
> ntfs_ucstonls(): Unicode name contains characters that cannot be
> converted to character set iso8859-1.
>
> But all my locales were set to UTF-8 during installation and still are.
>
> Regards,
> Helge
fff like so:

/dev/hda1   /mnt/windowsntfsro,umask=0,iocharset=utf8,utf8  0   0

When in doubt, check both the Linux-NTFS project's documentation on that, or 
read the mount man page, since this is related to how your system has that 
drive mounted.

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