Re: [Cooker] User says MDK 9.2 is a backward step and requests features
In MCC - System, the icon near Choose the display manager is traffic light device with red, yellow and green lights all off. What have traffic lights in common with choosing type of login window, is again beyond my understanding, but if red light would be shining bright _on_ it could make somebody feel there is danger to go furtherMuch better would be, of course, to draw small login box there so to give some notion what it is really all about. Me i think this sort of stuff should be blocked off by OSHA type Hazardous Material signs (maybe level 4 explosives?) Possibly a good idea to ask the superuser to give the correct password before messing with the boot process
Re: [Cooker] User says MDK 9.2 is a backward step and requests features
I have reloaded the packages for KPPP 1 and KAddressBook 2
to my system. KAddressBook did find all my e-mail
addresses. Incidently, I also lost the game Freecell. 3
My bigger problem is I can't connect to my ISP through
my modem. The connections got lost when I upgraded. I
did use the config tool to setup the internet
connection, but none of my programs (Kmail, pan,
galleon, mozilla, opera, etc.) can connect, and all
report that they are unable to connect to the
requested host. 4
Finally, my SCSI devices have disappeared. My swap
file is on the SCSI drive, so this is a potential
problem. At least I have 512 meg of memory. 5
-]
addressing the issues
1 package not installed old package removed during upgrade
2 see 1
3 Freecell (another package removed?)
4 auto connect does not work (on my system the setup wizard nukes the /dev/ttyS1 node and does nothing else)
so yes you would need to do a forced dial to make things work {unless AnyDrakes have a few ideas not to include the wizard}
5 moved node/ not installed node problem check the /dev chain ie is the scsi card installed??
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Show windows drives on desktop
I would like to see this one also. But, will there be any risk, such as, users could accidently delete stuff from their winbloze partition? No greater than the risk native to Windows can i patch this idea a bit?? run the links to a folder on the desktop (bonus points if you can create a toolbar on the desktop) and be a little more obvious with the icons like have a jail door or ghost out on nonmounted drives
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] clean /usr/share/icons
I third the clean /usr/share/icons idea and suggest that a general document and repair job be done on the whole filesystem ie between the WM and Xcore where is what found.
Re: [Cooker] Danger: Magazine with 9.2 with problematic kernel
Buchan Milne wrote: And where on the mandrake site is a listing of exactly what is on the commercial cds From: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/9.2/features/ Additional drivers for NVIDIA-based and ATI videocards are available in Mandrake packs. or less than a week old list of whats on the club site?? http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com (which is where you get if you click on the big downloads link at the top of the mandrakeclub.com page) - -- im going to assume that neither list is complete (the cd list only gives the download edition files and the club area doesn't seem to have any files (for 9.2)) the questions stand
Re: [Cooker] Danger: Magazine with 9.2 with problematic kernel
Buchan Milne wrote: XFree86 doesn't support these cards yet AFAIK. You have to have the non-free ATI driver. Fedora won't ship it, and the drivers are: - -on the commercial CDs - -on the Club. And where on the mandrake site is a listing of exactly what is on the commercial cds or less than a week old list of whats on the club site??
Re: [Cooker] Danger: Magazine with 9.2 with problematic kernel
Bruno Prior wrote: For those who think that 9.2 was in a fit state to be released and that those who have criticised were over-reacting - have a look at Linux Format's Help forum. It is being swamped with installation support requests for 9.2. It is _very_ bad news for linux (and Mandrake) that the latest release of the distro that has the best reputation for being user-friendly is going to leave so many people stranded or even damaged at install time. We are already seeing sweeping generalisations along the lines of linux isn't ready for primetime, because people assume Mandrake = linux. This sort of damage to reputations could take years to undo. Bruno I think that the person(s) that changed the kernel in a To BE RELEASED FOR PAY version and caused this bug should have his/their wine allowance cut to 1/10.
Re: [Cooker] Danger: Magazine with 9.2 with problematic kernel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are talking about only the LG issue, I think your point is moot. 1)LG will replace or repair the devices 2)An exploit of this is possible on Windows, and I am sure we will see one soon, and then I guess people will say Windows isn't ready for the desktop? If you have any *real* reasons why your claim that 9.2 was not in a fit state to be released, please give me your bug numbers. AFAIK, the only major as-yet unfixed problem on 9.2 is the disappearing menus issue. 1) And how many folks know the part numbers for everything in their computer? How about the person that has a Dell and is now explaining to Dell tech support that I tried to install Linux and my cd doesn't work? Any Bets on wether the subject of the drive OEM will even come up??? 2) Non issue besides to many folks are paid to push Windows (If you had a country would you be concerned that a group of day school crossing guards or the US Army showed up??)
Re: [Cooker] Danger: Magazine with 9.2 with problematic kernel
Francisco Alcaraz wrote: I just have bought a linux magazine (Todo Linux) that comes with the two first Mandrake 9.2 and, of course, with the old kernel. Nothing in the magazine warn about the possible problem with LG cdrom drivers. It could be problematic have lot of people having their LG cdrom-drivers broken. At least a note about the danger should be put. :-( Mandrake should be more carefull with this, shouldn't it? Regards You may have done this but CALL THE MAGAZINE and report this since they may be getting calls (okay so they aren't really liable but ) The problem only showed up in the release kernel so given that the roms had to be pressed a couple months ago /dev/oops
[Cooker] LG safe 9.2 isos?
Just for reference 1 how can you tell the LG safe isos from the older ones? (file date /name or...) 2 any other fixes And please tell me if i buy a dvd copy that it is the latest version
Re: [Cooker] New ISO with updates
Greg Meyer wrote: Dude, My cd drive is dead is going to be heard here in the US (Dell uses LG cdroms in some systems) :-) and i would be very upset if i PAID for an OS and had this kind of Issue. I'd be more upset about getting a CDROM drive that was so obviously handicapped. Dell should replace it. Not being Stupid Dell is replacing the drives (Somebody needs to make sure that Linux is not blamed for the issue)
Re: [Cooker] New ISO with updates
Jan Ciger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert L Martin wrote: | SomeDrake needs to post when the official LG-SAFE isos are ready (im | going to assume that | somebody yelled STOP THE PRESSES (aka via BF ARRÊTEZ LES PRESSIONS) | when My French is poor, but as far as I know, pression in French means also beer (the one you get in pub, from the keg, not the bottled/canned variety). Stop the beer! would be also fitting for this mess, though :-)) Jan - -- to be honest my french is nonexistant (i used BabelFish to get the french version)
Re: [Cooker] New ISO with updates
Daouda LO wrote: Really funny :)) Nice catch about the translation, Jan! Roger, Arreter la presse (des CDS) is a better translation for STOP THE PRESSE(S). I just hope that somebody did yell whatever is correct or else Dude, My cd drive is dead is going to be heard here in the US (Dell uses LG cdroms in some systems) and i would be very upset if i PAID for an OS and had this kind of Issue.
Re: [Cooker] New ISO with updates
Yeah, but I am trying to figure it all out right now. I am having a terrible time getting MakeCD to run in anything other than auto mode. If I use the config file, it won't build the iso. The scripts are not well documented and everyone else that talks about doing this skips so many details in their descriptions, assuming everyone knows it all, that it is nearly impossible to figure out. So I'll be happy to update it once I figure out WTF to do. SomeDrake needs to post when the official LG-SAFE isos are ready (im going to assume that somebody yelled STOP THE PRESSES (aka via BF ARRÊTEZ LES PRESSIONS) when this bug was found so i couldn't buy a nonLG-SAFE set) btw you might want to include how to tell the difference (like maybe the win32 auto run reads linux-Mandrake 9.2a?)
Re: [Cooker] When can we finally get X to fall back to XFdrake??
Greg Meyer wrote: I think Buchan's point is that if one tries to start X and it fails, XFdrake should be launched automatically to try and help the user fix the problem. how about this in the init 3 scripts have one that pipes X start %datetime% or something to /var/log/Xmark then at some point during each of the WM load (when it does do so) remove the file (this signals that X did in fact start) Then in the init 1 scripts have a script check for Xmark and START XFdrake (perhaps with a message like Xwindows seems to have failed to start please press Y within # seconds to reconfigure Xwindows)
Re: [Cooker] New ISO with updates
On Saturday 25 October 2003 01:53 pm, Francisco Alcaraz wrote: I am absolutely according with this; I am introducing lot of people to use Mandrake and installing it in his computers, but everythime we have to spend lot of time donwloading updates; if every time updated isos were avalaible for the last distribution we could had a great and almost perfect distributions to take people to Mandrake. To wonderfull to be true?; I hope not :-) being able to remaster the cds and or remaster to DVD would be cool but His Gatesness had a long list of updates for XP Day of Release (don't even get me started on the POTW/SEOTW problem)
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Pierre Jarillon wrote: Le Dimanche 26 Octobre 2003 22:55, Giuseppe Ghib a crit : IMHO the main obstable is the Pantone proprietary system. This problem must be solved to allow free software used by professional printers. But I can't imagine free inks :-( If ever you have only a shadow of a solution, tell us, please ! Scribus has found some way to handwave the issue (supposedly it can be used to create shop ready pdf files)
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 08:25 am, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: If we want to go with larger floppies with 1.44 MBytes drives, we need serious testing. I'm afraid this brings lots of hardware problems (and floppies already have much hardware problems). This would be a good thing for a FlashDrake version a floppy would only need to boot the key (usb vfat cloop) and then spin the boot to the key for the install (of course the key can have a whole basesystem)
Re: [Cooker] [IMPORTANT] 9.2 install potentially frying some LG cdrom drives
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 09:45 am, Leon Brooks wrote: Might help to also report the breed of IDE controller involved, and/or the CPU brand and speed since it sounds like a combination of factors is necessary to fry a drive. it may be a bit of a darwin problem does the installer try to pull the rpms very quickly? A coroners report on the drive might be helpful Les coroners rendent compte de la commande pourraient être utiles (used babelfish to get the french)
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 09:56 am, Mike wrote: Mandrake is a professional company, and therefore should use the best tool for the job... besides it might have just been contributed by a professional designer... they laugh at gimp (im afraid) Graphics programs take a lot of time to develop and are collossal, open source just hasnt had enough time yet Time Money Talent Time this would be the problem If you have enough of 2 of the 3 you can do ANYTHING but
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 12:31 pm, Thierry Vignaud wrote: hostile interface but also because the two most common cultural references to the word gimp in the US (and maybe other English speaking countries) are very, very negative and one could very well get you sued if the wrong person heard you utter the word. Some of us *are* using and promoting Linux in business. I'm glad cinepaint is at least in contrib. uh? what're the offenses ? gimp = cripple = otherwise enabled is one Since i can't afford US$295 to get into OED i can't give you the other one
Re: [Cooker] Re: 9.2 disasters list (continuing)
On Sunday 19 October 2003 10:59 am, guran wrote: Very maturely written, and this points to an estimate for what a newbie wants to function in a testing of Mdk. AFAIK it ought to be: 1) drivers for graphics 2) drivers for sound 3) drivers for java 4) drivers for realplayer 5) drivers for flash To my understanding Mdk has decided that these services should only be at grip for users that buy packs from Mdk. So any user testing Mdk by downloading the installation will only find obstacles forced on them by the economic situation not because Mdk is difficult to use. I think you may have a problem here. 1- 3 MUST WORK 99.999 of the time. if somebody makes a MONEY decision on the download ed then how are we going to confince them that they should buy the power pack when we don't happen to mention what is on what cd? (this is defined as 1 X works in at least 640x480 K colors 2 anything Soundblaster 16-Live compatible works 3 the JIT must function )
Re: [Cooker] Re: 9.2 disasters list (continuing)
On Sunday 19 October 2003 11:36 am, LE BERRE Daniel wrote: Java, RealPlayer, flash, Nvidia drivers/plugins etc are not open source software, so one just cannot distribute them on freely available isos, while Mandrakesoft can sign an agreement with their vendor to distribute them in their distribution. And this is true for any Linux distribution. Daniel Was not aware that Java didn't have a FSpackage okay. Can Nvidia chips use the FB Xserver or something as a get crawling to the web to get a download copy stopgap measure? Does the installer flag Nvidia chips so that Gnubies will know that performance with this configuration may be impared until OEM issued closed source software has been installed or a properly supported video card has been installed
Re: [Cooker] Re: 9.2 disasters list (continuing)
On Sunday 19 October 2003 12:23 pm, Götz Waschk wrote: Who's more important, the stupid windows convert, or the developer? If you remove emacs from the CD, you'll scare of the developers. No developers means no new software. BTW it's not emacs that is growing and growing and taking away the CD space but the new generations of GUI software, especially KDE. Oh i would say the stupid Windows converts as far as The Big I$$ue goes besides most developers if they found something missing they would 1 compile it from source 2 have an older version lying about 3 download the package from an ftp server
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
On Wednesday 15 October 2003 10:27 am, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Which remember me that if we were able to split headers from real sources, you won't need to install 30Mo package to build those additional kernel modules. Maybe there are technical arguments i didn't caught however, as it seems we already had this discussion. It may be time for a Cut of the packages then. Its almost LAW that you need to have the source for all packages used easily availible. Speaking of which is there a listing of what files are on what set? ie file short description Pro D/L Disc just as a what exactly do i get not get by getting say the prosuite dvd only
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Ideas for RpmDrake [long]
On Monday 13 October 2003 04:51 am, Kevin Perros wrote: 1. The packages are a good thing but there should be a frontend to the package systems where we talk about apps and plugins. The apps should be organized in a tree that should be understood by the end-user. A typical end-user doesn't know what the graphical environment category could contain, as an exemple. Even desktop or Bureautique or Network should not be seen. More over, only major apps should be shown, with a comment that only says something like Open Office is the leading text writer, spreadsheet tool under Linux, or Abiword is a text writer that is lighter than Open Office... 2. The menues should be nearly empty, with only newbie oriented apps in it. A First level should only contain the labels Internet (netwok doesn't mean much for a user, and less correctness on language is sometime a good thing), Programs, Multimedia, Sound (A newbie doesn't think about sound being multimedia), Close The System (session is har to understand too). Typically a user only needs a multimedia player, a sound player, a desktop suite, a web browser, a mail reader, tools for burning CDs and rip CDs. 1 as part of this in newbie mode hide the libs all together and have the most common options included by default 2 i would say put the following on the desktop (maybe as a killable service) 1 icons for the most common tasks (DTP Net and MM) 2 icons for the currently mounted drives (note no icons for unmounted drives or invisible ones) 3 a trio of SUID ROOT scripts to : a shutdown the system b reboot Xwindows only (user switch) c do a full system reboot || note on systems with a Real Live BOFH admin this trio would be yanked || This is just a bit that we can do better than Gates
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
Making your way trough sourceforge to find the correct update is not done for newbies that try Mandrake as Redmond OS replacement, and Mandrake attracts a lot of those. Just for this reason alone I think there should be a Mandrakeupdate.com that a newbie could go to and get the correct list of update servers (maybe include a copy of the PLF tool also) Oh btw the mnadrake update thing seems to be a bit broken for 9.1 (no US mirrors are valid)
Re: [Cooker] opengroupware
Ha ha ha!!!, urpmi is round-robin!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org One of the following packages is needed: 1- opengroupware-sope-4.2-20030721.1mdk.i586 2- opengroupware-sope-devel-4.2-20030721.1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org One of the following packages is needed: 1- opengroupware-logic-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 2- opengroupware-logic-devel-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org One of the following packages is needed: 1- opengroupware-webui-libs-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 2- opengroupware-webui-libs-devel-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# What this looks like is just like the commities this is for you need about half the list (if you note that one of the packages each pair has || devel ||in it you may see the illogic of it all) is there some sort of not with %this string% in the name switch?
Re: [Cooker] Re: Mandrake 9.2 update policy
OTOH many of the users of Download Edition does not ever buy a package or become a club member anyway, wich means it does not generate any income there either... And this is where you need to mkae sure that 99.999% of the packages (by useage) work the first time. Speaking as one of those D/l users i say MAKE A DISTRO WORTH PAYING FOR AND I WILL PAY FOR IT!! Speaking of which will the dvd make christmas?
Re: [Cooker] Re: Mandrake 9.2 update policy
BTW, most (ie 95% of) internet subscribers in South Africa are on dialup. We have about 3000 DSL lines total available in the country ... and I expect there are many countries in a similar situation, where just adding OpenOffice.org to updates would require users to run a 6 hour update ... and even in the US its not like you can just pop into RadioShack and get broadband service (yet). most of the time its a matter of wading past ads by the meter to get to the truth (and you may not find it even then)
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
Allas. CD's are read-only. assuming that the PHB even looks at the program that closely its a fairly easy handwave since if you are on the OO.o list the community manager said and i quote Hi In my enthusiasm for OpenOffice.org 1.1, I neglected to clarify a point OpenOffice.org 1.1.0 is *identical* to the recently released OpenOffice.org RC5. Therefore, if you have downloaded RC5, there is no need to download 1.1. - Louis Suárez-Potts Community Manager OpenOffice.org so since RC5 was more or less a hammer this and see if anything breaks copy we should be clear even if we have rc4 on disc
Re: [Cooker] Encrypted partitions with Mandrake?
The nice thing about this is I can put it on a DVD, and not worry about mis-placing the DVD. Can mount it anyplace with the loop AES stuff. well lets just say if you ever need to worry about the DVD then you have bigger problems also (of the acronym kind ie NSA FBI GRU KGB CIA ...)
Re: [Cooker] And next ?
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process? - We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split cooker ml, we should do it now. - What could we do to improve 9.3/10.0 development. - What should we do to improve the Wiki. - Should we have cooker snapshot ISOs? - What could we do, as a community, to increase the acceptance of mandrakelinux? - How to have more contributors? And anything related to the mandrakelinux distro. Way to much make it preety and not enough make it work. there should be a Wiki section on bugs for when bugzilla goes down Split into ? ( programs - bugzilla output - mandrake as a whole?) More documentation at each stage Expand it so that it becomes the Mandrake Bible/Grimore Yes IF AND AS THEY ARE SAFE TO INSTALL (99.9%) Make the distro better improve/ build current loopback distros
Re: [Cooker] And next ?
What about a metadistro with a cdrom (in the future a dvdrom) runing Mandrake from the cd-driver? similar to Knoppix but with all the Mandrake goodies. there are a couple mandrake related projects to do exactly that. Maybe Mandrakesoft could adopt one of them and or start a wiki node with the needed info? Doing Knoppix MIB with Mandrake files would KILL. (this project boots from cd and then mounts a flash memory key with an encrypted loopback filesystem that is used for the user home)
Re: [Cooker] And next ?
No. I don't need ISO's at all during development. 'rsync'ing to a local server and installing via net from there is cheap, fast and reliable. This is not my opinion. Some problems are only found with a fresh install or an upgrade of a previous stable distribution. and lets not forget the problems with 1 time is money | data is more important than money 2 not if you have sub megabit access ON THE MACHINE YOU ARE UPGRADING 3 and how many bugs have been around the network install? (total and just the 9.* series) And what if the bug is in the cdrom installer?
Re: [Cooker] And next ?
Doing Knoppix MIB with Mandrake files would KILL. I am looking at doing something like this now ... but I'm not sure if I have access to such a version of Knoppix (is it in standard knoppix yet, or still a remastered version?). (this project boots from cd and then mounts a flash memory key with an encrypted loopback filesystem that is used for the user home) Ideally, it would be compatible with the pam_mount method so you can use the same $HOME on non-livecd machines. I think MIB is a remaster still but most of the diff is in the crypto don't know about pam_mount but it could be done if the machine had ELBfs and usb disk support. part of MIB is the Im not using Windows?? Could you say that again and LOOK HERE PLEASE thing
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 ISOs has been sent
If you don't want Mandrakesoft to survive, why do you bother running Mandrake? I for one don't want MandrakeSoft to become another Microsoft I think that one of the guides for the next release should be EVERTHING works. stop dinking about with the splash screens and the themes and just make it work. who cares if some ap is the absolute lastest version (unless its a security issue) DOES IT WORK?? Speaking of the DVD when abouts will they be ready?? (US release)
Re: [Cooker] ALSA fix
Add OSS is likely to die soon, so why waste effort to support it ? -- do you happen to have a list of cards NOT supported by ALSA but supported by OSS? remove any isa cards (wouldn't run current mandrake) if the number of cards is more than a dozen that would be why likely to die soon is not DEAD (companies survive Chapter 11 you know)
[Cooker] compressed loopback supported?
Is there any chance that cloop support is in /can be added to 9.2? Im pondering doing a memory key version of Mandrake and it seems that this is just about the only piece missing.
Re: [Cooker] Why Is My Update Broken?
Packages tend to be propagated to mirrors before the hdlists, so if you happen to catch a mirror while it's busy updating, you may well find a situation where the hdlist it has no longer reflects the packages it has. Thus the missing packages (these would be ones that had been updated twice since your rsync; the hdlist would contain version X+1, which the actual file on the mirror would be X+2) and the non-updated kernel (which had presumably only been updated once; you have 9mdk, the hdlist lists 9mdk so urpmi thinks there is no update available, even though 10mdk was actually on the mirror by that point). And this is why somebody should start using an .!UNSAFE flag on servers example session 1 upload a file named .!UNSAFE to the server 2 start rsync 3 successfully complete rsync 4 delete .!UNSAFE this way a script or person or whatever can check for the .!UNSAFE file and then if it is found wait for a semirandom time and restart if this is started all the way at the top (mandrakesoft) then huge amounts of time/bandwidth can be saved. (and yes the exact file name could be translated into whatever the native language of the server is (or just something like .!!! that just looks funny))
[Cooker] Dep Tree Info file
Maybe this just makes to much sense to work but it would help if you could get a file (called distrodep.%version%.%arch%.tar.gz maybe?) that gives a human readable list of what each rpm needs/conflicts with/provides and what cd this rpm is on ie RPM|needs | conflicts with |provides |is on -- foo base system bar foo install #1 Gfoo foo / Gnome XfooGui install #2 Kfoo foo / KDE XfooGui install #2 And yes if you have a running system you can use RPM tools but this could also be used with contribs and other alternate sources even if the system grabbing the file is not the target system (or even a LINUX system) Climbing the dep tree is not fun if you don't have highspeed
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake wesite fonts
Okay, thanks to Frederic, we know it's Mr. Duval who should be informed...so I've sent him a mail summarising the thread so far and quoting the more general CSS improvements that were suggested as well. And while he is fixing the site he needs to remember that cute doesn't cut it if you are old enough to buy your own drinks. (i think on the M$ site you have to click past about 7 pages to get to a download and js/java everywhere)
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Web Site Fonts
Then there's the DPI issue. Pt sizes depend on DPI as well as monitor size and resolution, while px sizes only depend on monitor size and resolution. Pt is not an appropriate way to size display fonts: then there is the problem of folks that need to use high res desktops due to aps or wanting the space or but have fair to worse eyesight mines 40/200 (i start to get blurring at about 2 foot) pleas let the user decide how big a dinky font should be
Re: [Cooker] Re: OT: Communism and authoritarianism
Seems to work OK if the majority of participants are altruists. Mind you, so does any other political system. I would put it that Communism is classic Prey --- Predator where the Preds fool the prey into thinking they are equal Pure Royal of course is Prey -Predator where the Prey KNOWS its not equal Then we have the fun where one of the Prey lands up ruling the Predators (in history this has required outside Predators to clean up) Most democratic setups are the Predators getting bribed by Prey groups not to eat them
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 3431] [Installation] 9.1rc2 hard disk installation using iso images fails
This is an argument for a Create Local Copy option The best and simplest way to fix this type of error would be to (after diskdrake) Put an Option and ask Would you like to copy your media to a Local Disk? Options can be 1 No 2 Yes /usr/share/RPMStore 3 Yes %input box browse box% Then in the case of cds have the user feed the cds as needed. Then you could use the folder to do some Mandrake Magic when upgrade time comes
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 4960] [xawtv] unable to unmute audio
you are *NOT* currently using. It never displays the currently used driver, which is very confusing. So if you actually have a choice on the recommended list, that will be the OSS driver if you're currently using the ALSA driver, and vice versa. This is insane but sounds like a case of somebody thinking in the wine cellar i would think that you would show either ALL OSS or ALL ALSA or All and not filter for current
Re: [Cooker] Missing side pane in latest Konqueror
All I know is, since I have tried the latest Cooker KDE (3.14?) I don't get the side pane (navigation) in Konqueror file browser (see attached picture) - now all I get are the files themselves. do you get the buttons on the rail to the left? It seems to me that the only way to get the tree view is to hit either the root or the home button
Re: [Cooker] OT: on current viruses
very long story short Bill Gates made computers usable for 99.44% of the non-geek population but this includes some very stupid people. worry if Random co serves you will lawsuit papers otherwise mv %mail% /dev/null
Re: [Cooker] [RFD] supermount behaviour on empty drive
here is poll - should this functionality - be disabled - made optional (mount option) that I do not like - left as is. --- i would say leave as-isish but have MountDrake drop a file called this is an empty mount point into the point when is is made so you have 1 directory is empty 2 directory is a mount point without a mounted FS 3mounted fs is blank 4 mounted fs has files in it it might waste an inode but then again some utils are a waste of the inodes they use anyway (insmod antiholywar.o.gz)
Re: [Cooker] This is already one week the problem exist and it wasnotified but nobody fixed it
Well, I'm sorry for my trollish way of saying it. The real point here is I'm just willing to expect more quality and more support as a club member and ans Mandrake Sustainer than from friendly geekish mirrors and contributions. If I can't get it work better with the club and with Mandrake I have less motivation in helping Mandrake by joining the club. You want users tu help Mandrake existe and develop ? Makes them happy with good packages, good support, good distros. Just to make the point clear The distro should if certain things are not true go to a FULL STOP on devel until a blank disk install boots correctly the first time and the CORE SYSTEM is clean. item list: 1 base filesystem package/ boot if it doesn't boot it needs to be fixed 2 cli utils and /dev subtree -- if bash or the basic utils are broken this gets fixed 3 HardDRAKE and related utils - any time a user has to create dev nodes by hand is BAD 4 XWindows and KDE -- if these don't work you might as well be running gentoo 5 Internet and Multimedia most users run systems for these 6 Office stuff this is most of the other users
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 MEDIAS - MEDIA
And then again, it can be an adjective, as in I'll have a medium (-sized) coffee. Now, if some kind Northern Irish person would care to discourse on the pronunciation of How now, brown cow, we can put this thread to bed... - And to bring it to point since RED HAT wouldn't dare attempt to sell a distro with some french word misspelled i think Mandrake should extend the same curtesy. (and as requested in 4/4 time no accents and all ows same (sort of slur into the N on browN) Robert L Martin Made in the USA with irish and other foriegn parts)
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] starfighter-1.00-4mdk
uhr, not really, you've got dependencies for that one dependencies don't work if you are looking at downloading the rpm to a Windows system (for later install on a disconnected Linux system)
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] starfighter-1.00-4mdk
IMHO, this kind of description for a game is pretty useless. Sure it's pretty, but it doesn't tell you anything like what type of game it is, what hardware it uses etc. Maybe we should move to something like This is a 3D space action game based on the SDL libraries as a description for a game instead of a long summary of the plot? --- esp since the plot summary has a bad word choice and in general sounds like japanese translated to english by way of yiddish and a ADD dice set. what i would like to see is a target distro flag to clue on whether an rpm can safely be installed on my setup (some of the good stuff seems to require a complete upgrade to +1 version due to glibc and base system problems)
Re: [Cooker] dm - prefer kdm or gdm
Instead of emotional outbursts, please rather document the reasons you don't like mdkkdm, as others have done on the cooker wiki. Maybe the only reason you detest mdkkdm is that you can't log in as root by default, and if they change the default to be kdm, maybe they will disable root login there by default too (since it really is best to prevent this, and force users into good habits, although of course you can change this if you like your bad habits). instead of trying to out handhold Gates why doesn't the login box have a Write-in box?? you know have the group of icons and then a box for other logins ie icons for Bob George Fred Barney JeanValjeanbut Root BOFH and Javair would need to type their login (and password) And personally i would strip all of the You are logged in as Root You are a Bad and Foul Person dialogs from the distro. (now i would not enable auto log in for Root like certain companies do)
Re: [Cooker] Rolling out the welcome mat
Well, why not just ask during install ? If you ask what you have suggested, you could as well ask, who will be responsible for this box. -- and you could go a step further and during user creation ask What is the function of this User? Wheel full or partial (full Wheel would be a Root Alias) Special Server Admin --- used to admin say a web server but locked out of wheel functions Advanced User --- Allows All of the user type things Child User--- enables only safe areas (puts filters on web use ect??) Manager --- locks settings and does auto backups (since most managers are worse than children) and then figure out what groups this user needs to be in (and other settings as needed)
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] starfighter-1.00-4mdk
Because the fact that it use the SDL API gives an indication of the the of overall level of performance which might be achieved as SDL encompasses low-level access to a system's video framebuffer, sound output, and input devices including keyboard, mouse, and joystick. It is the GPL answer but superior API to DirectX. --- It also serves as an flag that you would need the SDL libs installed to use the game (useful if on your system SDL causes a scrambled filesystem hangovers and other misfortunes)
Re: [Cooker] Will Open Office 1.1 be shipped with Mandrake 9.2?
I noticed that Open Office 1.0.3 is installed in Mandrake 9.2 beta 1. If we are to shy away from 1.1 at lease 1.0.3.1 should be used. -Joe Baker =- i think that 1.1 being only an RC shoots it being on disc for main but it should be in contribs (the pdf pdb and other new for .1 things are real killer features)
Re: [Cooker] Gendistrib reports several bad rpms in contrib
can somebody point me at a good (detailed) way to convert a folder of rpms (the ones from a cd set) to a usable rpm store (bonus points for showing how to add a few random rpms to this set) (im thinking that gendistrib gets used as a finialish step but what is step 1 , 2 ,3 ) ( i want to be able to just pick an rpm and have the deps solved from the set not from the cds)
Re: [Cooker] Some advices on the desktop
This is a problem with the StarSuite packages and not Mandrake. Apprently, StarSuite is updating the standard KDE and GNOME menus, which Mandrake does not use. Mandrake uses the Debian menuing system, so there is a seperate menu structure that the package being installed needs to know about. StarSuite obviously doesn't know about it. How about setting up a small little package that just contains the menu entries for StarSuite, so if it is installed, a user can install the starsuite-menu-entries package and get the menu entries. --- Hows about this during a reboot have some script check the standard locations and then if it finds entries copy them to the correct location. Or maybe have MenuDrake do this when it is used?
Re: [Cooker] Some advices on the desktop
It may be feasible to have menudrake be able to import new menus, but this really should be done with user interaction. A commandline version exists, in kdedesktop2mdkmenu.pl, - The big problem would be do the prompts read in %English like maybe Programs have been found in %menu_tree that are not in the Mandrake Menus which items would you like to copy over? then give a check list adn a copy button
Re: [Cooker] cooker - state of play
probably because it's a bit of a pain to apply the patch and recompile the kernel...is there no easier way of testing? - Speaking as one of the Hairy Knuckle/Kilingon crowd its not that bad if you know what options to set/module/unset you can do the compile run in a few minutes (My Intel celeron 700 did a compile during a midshow commerical break) Side note does the kernel source rpm have the matching .config file included? ie if i install 2.4.21-3mdk.src.rpm does it have the .config used to build 2.4.21-3mdk.i586.rpm?
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] icewm-1.2.9-2mdk
Most of the time, though, this is something that a person worries about when writing links for within his own site. But since it's good form, people have gotten used to seeing directory resource requests terminated with a slash and [b]it's become the Web equivalent of ensuring a sentence is terminated with a period.[/b] --- insmod blackhumour.o as apposed to ensuring a sentence is terminated with a hanging???
[Cooker] TV drake and radeon AIW 7500
After finially getting a copy (dl) of 9.1 i started poking around and found the TV Drake ap. Good that an ap is there bad that it does not see my Ati Radeon All In Wonder 7500. Does anybody know of documentation for how to get My tv tuner working ? (modules.conf lines and what rpms i need)
Re: [Cooker] TV drake and radeon AIW 7500
Does anybody know of documentation for how to get My tv tuner working ? (modules.conf lines and what rpms i need) You need ati.2 and avview from 9.1 contrib Spence --- And how about a few hints as to loading the drivers?? (i would guess theatre_drv.o and fi1236.o they seem to not be kernel drivers [insmod can't find version info in them])
Re: [Cooker] An interesting comment
That is certainly true, but if I'm the French government, I'd certainly consider Mandrake before Red Hat (definitely) and SuSE, as the money stays in France. --- and time/ travel problems are less if you want to strangle the guy responsible for a package being broken (or buy him a good bottle)
Re: [Cooker] Knoppix-like CD based on Mandrake
I am not sure how to do this, but the thing I would like to see is a package that *allows* you to create such a CD, not just a project that creates 1 such CD. This way, it would allow people to easily create different versions of the Mandrake bootable installation, depending on what they want installed, and also it wouldn't be necessary to download a large ISO image that contains mostly software you already have installed - or how about this have the installer rigged for a ExpertLFs type ie in the boot screen have one of the documented but not menued options boot: ExpertLFs just a check list of to do's 1 system files (needs to be keyed for hands off boot to %language) 2 readme and autorun for %M$ platforms (also in %language) 3 compressed LFs loopback 4 installer needs to cover KDE/GNOME/console setups 5 have the core files/skeleton on cd ? 6 include drivers for ext* reiser fat32 ntfs ...
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 4046] [kdebase] Taiwan's and Mainland China's flagsall are shown on the Country list.
I will not continue this conversation any further, if it's wished. However, I want the input of the cooker community about this. -- Until there is evidence that the country is GONE leave the Flag/ Settings in (you do run into stuff made in Taiwan[ROC} so...). As a Born and Bred American gimme a Hamburger with Swiss Cheese a side of French Fries and a slice of German Chocolate cake and don't forget the toy stamped made in Taiwan either. Political Correctness is a Evil Bad and Wrong reason to Patch code.
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.64 is out.
Vincent, I think in future could we avoid announcements like this on cooker? If we were to have an announcement for every new release on this list, it could get quite crowded. True, except the current version in cooker is more than one release old. If indeed the maintainer were getting clobbered by announces, etc, I'm pretty sure it would have been updated by now. Previous posts like this to jog the elbow of the maintainer have yielded quick results, hence my post. i think that in a few cases you should assume the maintainer is asleep at the wheel and post like the parent post 1 version is skewed by more than one release (ie 0.62 v 064) 2 a massive bug is fixed by the new release* (segfault or core function) 3 security bug fix** 4 compiler change* 5 beta to gamma upgrade* *wait 3 business days **wait 3 calendar days
Re: [Cooker] system clock is quirky
I currently have no idea why, but about once per day my system's clock will suddenly lose an hour or so. It can easily be reset, but I'd like to know why it's changing in the first place. --- try running the box only Mandrake for a day (24 hour period) if it still does it then check back
Re: [Cooker] No DISK drive!
Can't say in make xconfig, but it is in .config here -- confusion between CUI and GUI the option may not be in the GUI because somebody didn't do the correct set of clicks to see it (dep tree problem) but if you grep the raw file from CUI then you have it (note that the line is disabled) perhaps a dif of his .config is needed??
Re: [Cooker] The Gathering, quite off topic but..
nah, while sitting with demoscene, I'm not gonna produce anything, at least not this year there will be over 5000 participants this year, mostly gamers etc. of course, but with more focus on the demoscene last year it'll be more demosceners this year:) be there or be square! --- of course if you are there you may be munching squares and or smoking clovers (any good FX for a no hands install of linux??)
Re: [Cooker] The Gathering, quite off topic but..
ha ha ha ha..., (långsökt) it's from the Highlander2 movie; The Quickening I should really go to bed now... hehe, probably, you still don't make much sense;) -- in the Highlander world The Gathering is when all of the immortals got together and had one on one fights (with swords btw) These fights ended with 1 and only one left Zeist was the home planet in the should have been left on the cutting room floor second of the series of movies
Re: [Cooker] rebuild an initrd under rescue cdrom
something of a stupid question but
how would one make on a single non-networked box have local-host show
up as example laurencemartin.com
(but not make the real laurencemartin.com unavailible on that box)
{66.246.17.187 on the net}
Re: [Cooker] new repository?
well, that was just a few of my ideas for this repository, I gotta go now:) My suggestion ftp://operahouse.linux-mandrake.com mantainer--- The Phantom
Re: [Cooker] wish list for 9.2
But how easy is it to set up MS-DOS depends on how hard you want it to be IF you have the floppies/ or a partition handy
Re: [Cooker] GeForce2-Cards misconfigured when updating from 9.0to 9.1
serves those gawddamn punks right for not buying the boxed set :p -- and what about those GPs that are also CEO types using the download version as a demo? this is the kind of thing that could be $ignificant to Corporation$ (speaking of demos any plans to do a Live FileSystem CD version of Mandrake? Knoppix is cool!)
Re: [Cooker] Post 9.1 - GATOS
You should have better luck if/when you can install 9.1;-) - which deps on metalab.edu getting the ISOs my connected buddy seeing that and doing the D/l burning the set bringing the set to work Whats the DVD copy going for?
Re: [Cooker] Post 9.1 - GATOS
My question, how much interest is there in the gatos project and would RPMs help more people. im at about the promissing my first born stage of getting my radeon AIW 7500 working with mandrake by working i mean X working DVD working TV tuner working My current install (mostly stock 9.0 due to having DUN connect only) only has X working
Re: [Cooker] urpmi features
Priority for sources. So that if two (or more) totaly same packages exist in two (or more) sources you can set the priority so that the package gets installed from the media with higher priority. For example some prefere local sorces to have higher priority and some prefer some FTP server for packages. i would break it down further into |local fixed | local removeable| lan | Net Close |Net Far| example given the rpm sempterfi3.14.16.i586.rpm If you pick the rpm from a list and its on a local mount point /usr/rpmcache/ then it gets installed from there EVEN IF THE LIST ITEM IS from say http://www.paris.fr. but if the remote server has a dependent rpm like unbacking4.32.16.i586.rpm then that gets pulled from the paris.fr server. Speaking of which how does urpmi handle exact same file trees?
Re: [Cooker] question on ftp sites
That doesn't make sense to me. In that case, then even if you could find files on the site manually (how would you do that withoutn a net conn??) then you could not download them. If you can connect to the net then simply go here: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php#third and configure the URPMI source for your distro! you are forgetting using a second box that does have a network connection (half points for a config tool)
Re: toward community-ruled website ? (was Re: [Cooker] The MandrakeAudio Workstation)
Maybe mandrakesoft.com could drop mandrake.org domain name in favor of such project ? or maybe a gentlemens agreement to not bother a domain name with the letters DRAKE in it that just happens to have man-drake stuff on it??
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 9.1 Should be Delayed
Problems with ATI and nVidea products. Only the two most popular video cards on the market. .. And the two that prefer to make proprietary drivers rather than, if they want the speed and quality, making their work fully open.. -- okay so start running down the chipsets on boxed computers (the former M$ market) Dell, Compaq ,HP all use either Nvidia or ATI chipsets mostly. This means that the biggest market for Linux will also A Not care about free -(L,G) B Know the least about the pain part of Linux These folks just want it to work after M$ decides that M$ doesn't Kernel , X, Multimedia and basic office/network should be Stop Presses level bugs by default. If Joe Luser can boot the system with X, play cds/mp3s, type notes, surf and go online it can ship but if those things can't be done DO NOT SHIP (or plan on shipping a patch disc)
[Cooker] question on ftp sites
In looking at the various ftp sites i see way to much variation on how the file tree sets up. How does one pull a single set of rpms from a site without having to walk the entire tree?? (by hand, for an example the rpms needed to use audacity) Also in doing Rsync i would think that if more than a dozen rpms are going to be changed during an update The Drakes should drop a .FireStorm file into the tree and if an Rsync sees that file present it should abort with the message Fire Storm in file tree update aborted then you don't waste 3 gigabytes of bandwidth just to do the same again (and again and again and..). Please note sometimes one needs rpms to fix a broken install (due to driver issues or bad kernel rpms or..)
Re: [Cooker] question on ftp sites
I think that is what urpmi is good at. Set up a cooker source, urpmi audacity will fetch and install all rpms that are required. - and how does one find a site correctly configured to use as a source and what if you don't can't have working network connections on the box in question? this of course is a question of finding files on a site MANUALLY
Re: Religious software (wasRe: [Cooker] what's the mess with theclub ?)
Maybe it would be better to hold this discussion somewhere other than the cooker mailing list since it's become very off-topic? - comming from a JC background i would say come back when you have determined 1 how many angels can dance on the head of a pin 2 how much torture a cenobyte can get from the point of the same pin 3 Made a Ogg file of one hand clapping
Re: [Cooker] gatos
Avview works for most boards IF the latest ati.2 from gatos is installed. If they are not included for 9.1 final, I will try and build them in RPM format. - can you put me on the list for testing said rpms??
Re: [Cooker] TV Cards outside of BT878
There's a saa7134 driver. It doesn't work for you, or was it just not autodetected at install? No workies is not really a valid bugreport. --- since i think i may have a similar problem (still not answered ) with a radeon All in wonder 7500 assuming that magic didn't happen what needs to be in what files to do this card the hard way?? and be detailed ie exact lines exact files like in /lib/modules/$kernel version/modules.conf you put
Re: [Cooker] current status ATI Radeon AIW tuner support
Is there a b*set of packages availible*b to enable an ATI Radeon AIW tv tuner to function yet?? george next time try reading what was actually said ( and last time i checked no config info was given in the badly written FM) since the only gatos package i can see is one from 2001??? i was wondering if i just am not looking in the right place
[Cooker] current status ATI Radeon AIW tuner support
Is there a set of packages availible to enable an ATI Radeon AIW tv tuner to function yet?? (as far as i can tell some sort of mandrake magic must be done to get this cards tuner working or i need to drink a case of wine) [running a stock 9.0 setup due to lack of access to high speed] btw who does such packages??
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 910] [Installation] Size in MB slider shouldalso have a text field
Should we only include linux-friendly ISPs etc etc? Exclude an ISP if they fail 1 a good percentage of a nations population has this ISP 2 Have no chance of being useable Include AOL and any of the run this 5 meg dialer ap so we can spam you ISPs
Re: [Cooker] Question about Loadlin to boot Linux
Please dial nearest MS support center regaring this (is it free?, now it costs money). It has nothing to do with Linux, Cooker or Mandrake... Go to www.ntfaq.com for free advise. -- as the question is on the LINUX loader program LOADLIN (makeing it work with Windows) it does apply to this Mailing list Speaking of which in a Linux For Win install it should have a PIF included that is set for exclusive mode (stripped) -- Robert LaurenceMartin
Re: [Cooker] Question about Loadlin to boot Linux
Can some on give me some ideas about the following problem? Thanks set the pif to reboot in DOS mode and have a stripped config -- Robert LaurenceMartin
Re: [Cooker] uhh... is this how it works?
If you just use it for getting the newest packages, that's ok. But don't expect support, you can mail something is broken, and fix it yourself, or wait for a fix. The Rule of Cooker If it breaks your system you get to A fix it /debug what happened B keep both pieces -- Robert LaurenceMartin
Re: [Cooker] Building unstripped RPM?
For us uninformed, what does it mean to have the binaries stripped? -- binaries stripped = does not have extra debug symbols included and other devel stuff is removed (saves space/memory)
Re: [Cooker] OT: ClearType under WinXP
SOP for M$? sorry? http://www.campbell.berry.edu/faculty/jgrout/acronym.html gives 2 possibilities. SOP Sales and Operations Planning (Profusely used by APICS) SOP Standard Operating Procedure Cya, Han. that would be both with second listing primary
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake supported hardware
Do we have a cannonical list of Mandrake supported hardware? This
knowledge seems to be embedded in apps like the devicedrakes, but
it would be a little more useful to know what works _before_ buying
it ;) In a perfect world, I'd like to know of a webpage where I can
surf in from a computer store's terminal to check whether the item
they have on sale is on the accepted list.
Gary you will get this twice:
there is a webpage somewhere in the linux-mandrake.com tree but it
doesn't tell the whole story
(and last time i checked was way to good in hiding data) Anyway the list
would be incomplete since
some hardware (like my Topic Modem) isn't supported but works after
trivial adjustments
(force create the ttyS1 to hang it from {drakes thats also what M$ hangs
it from} and stick a line in rc.local)
grand rule is Designed for Windows is a bad thing and if the hardware
is more than ten years old or less than ten fortnights
old good luck.
--
Robert LaurenceMartin
Re: [Cooker] breton spelling checker
Btw does anybody know what that little quote means? :) -- new rule for Multi-National lists All Quotes (and other material) not in the suggested language (SL = English for this list) shall be translated and placed in a known location. (and what does the quote say??) -- Robert LaurenceMartin
Re: [Cooker] 8.1 Download Edition CD glitches (Gnome, XEmacs, dev, modems, ftp)
4) When I run harddrake through the control panel button to configure Hardware/Modem, I get the select box showing my modems as USRs, but if I select configure, which is the only option other than cancel, I just get the dialog referring me to linmodems. -- what i would like to see is an override/identify button on the device entries ie on Unknown items it would show the resources and ASK WHAT THIS ITEM IS but the same button on known items would allow corrections btw why does HardDrake switch to vconsole 12? and leave a blank screen? (just recieved a copy of 8.1 finial [btw the dvd is propack only??) -- Robert LaurenceMartin
Re: [Cooker] rpms suck
Why aren't they better? Exactly *what* is so bad about RPM and DEB? at least with rpms/rpm programs 1 No easy way to dump your install cds in a folder and strongquickly/strong have deps auto-resolved 2 How does one recover from a burnt rpm database and have the info acurate? 3 dep trees get way too large. i propose ap.rpm, aplib.rpm, apclient.rpm, apserver.rpm, apextras.rpm so you don't land up installing glibc*.rpm just to get say a DVD player running (and if your ap deps on someone elses ap then have a copy on your site!) -- Robert LaurenceMartin
Re: [Cooker] Distro on DVD/large HD
At present (shame on me), I must use windows to burn DVD, but I will try to figure out a better solution post 8.1. - isn't a DVD just a really big UDF volume?? (DVD DATA that is DVD Movie is a whole other wine vault) -- Robert LaurenceMartin
