RE: [Cooker] netscape, apps and wheel mouse
Check out the archives for [EMAIL PROTECTED], it's been posted numerous times for both xfree 3.x.x and xfree 4. xfree 3.x.x works fine after adjusting the xf86config file - xfree 4 needs imwheel in your autostart folder and the permissions changed on imwheel to allow users to execute it. Mike Hello, I am still having real problems with my wheel mouse. It is a Logitech model M-CAB48A. I'll try to be brief ! Using PS/2 and protocol IMPS/2 - Erratic, uncontrolable mouse. Using PS/2 and protocol MouseManPlusPS/2 - mouse movement fine, but no wheel. xev reports absolutely nothing at all for wheel movement. Using serial adapter that came with the mouse and protocol IntelliMouse - everything works, wheel and all. xev reports button 4 and 5 clicks for wheel movement. Using Windows and PS/2 port - everything works, wheel and all. The same mouse works using PS/2 with the Red Hat 6.2 PC's at work, and also with my old laptop (which is using Mandrake 7.0 and the Red Hat X 3.3.5-17). I took the hard drive out of my old laptop and put it in my new laptop, powered up and started X leaving all the settings exactly as they were (don't you just love the power of Linux !). On the new laptop there was now no wheel available. Moreover with the PC's where the mouse is fully functional the protocol has to be IMPS/2, but on the PC where the wheel does not work IMPS/2 results in erratic behaviour. So it could be that the combination of my new laptop and wheel mouse cannot be seen at all by X. I am using a Dell Inspiron 7000. I have even tried going back to older BIOS's !!! I have reported this on the X mailing lists as well. Owen On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, you wrote: > OS wrote: > > > > Ah ha, thanks for the pointer "Written on the back: Logitech OEM M/N: M-S48a" > > the back of mine says "M-CAB48A". So... I've been round the office until I > > found an M-S48A (in the guise of an Acer mouse), and it works. Well br > > me. I also found one with M-BB48A but I haven't tried that yet. So it looks > > like my 'variety' of Logitech wheel mouse is not supported by X !! (Rather than > > IMPS/2 I used MouseManPlusPS/2, but it worked anyway). > > > > I have also found today http://www-sop.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/ > > but the only mouse they say doesn't work is the M-S48 OEM !!! Well, you live qnd > > learn ! > > > > Thanks, but disappointed > > Owen > > > > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > > Identifier "Mouse1" > > > Driver "mouse" > > > Option "Protocol""IMPS/2" > > > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > > > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > > > Option "Buttons" "3" > > I have a Logitech optical Wheel Mouse M-BD58 and it works fine for me with > the above config, except for one line. The Buttons should be 5 not 3. > > Option "Buttons" "5" > > -- > - Antony Suter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Examiner" openpgp:71ADFC87 > - "And how do you store the nuclear equivalent of the universal solvent?"
Re: [Cooker] netscape, apps and wheel mouse
Hello, I am still having real problems with my wheel mouse. It is a Logitech model M-CAB48A. I'll try to be brief ! Using PS/2 and protocol IMPS/2 - Erratic, uncontrolable mouse. Using PS/2 and protocol MouseManPlusPS/2 - mouse movement fine, but no wheel. xev reports absolutely nothing at all for wheel movement. Using serial adapter that came with the mouse and protocol IntelliMouse - everything works, wheel and all. xev reports button 4 and 5 clicks for wheel movement. Using Windows and PS/2 port - everything works, wheel and all. The same mouse works using PS/2 with the Red Hat 6.2 PC's at work, and also with my old laptop (which is using Mandrake 7.0 and the Red Hat X 3.3.5-17). I took the hard drive out of my old laptop and put it in my new laptop, powered up and started X leaving all the settings exactly as they were (don't you just love the power of Linux !). On the new laptop there was now no wheel available. Moreover with the PC's where the mouse is fully functional the protocol has to be IMPS/2, but on the PC where the wheel does not work IMPS/2 results in erratic behaviour. So it could be that the combination of my new laptop and wheel mouse cannot be seen at all by X. I am using a Dell Inspiron 7000. I have even tried going back to older BIOS's !!! I have reported this on the X mailing lists as well. Owen On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, you wrote: > OS wrote: > > > > Ah ha, thanks for the pointer "Written on the back: Logitech OEM M/N: M-S48a" > > the back of mine says "M-CAB48A". So... I've been round the office until I > > found an M-S48A (in the guise of an Acer mouse), and it works. Well br > > me. I also found one with M-BB48A but I haven't tried that yet. So it looks > > like my 'variety' of Logitech wheel mouse is not supported by X !! (Rather than > > IMPS/2 I used MouseManPlusPS/2, but it worked anyway). > > > > I have also found today http://www-sop.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/ > > but the only mouse they say doesn't work is the M-S48 OEM !!! Well, you live qnd > > learn ! > > > > Thanks, but disappointed > > Owen > > > > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > > Identifier "Mouse1" > > > Driver "mouse" > > > Option "Protocol""IMPS/2" > > > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > > > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > > > Option "Buttons" "3" > > I have a Logitech optical Wheel Mouse M-BD58 and it works fine for me with > the above config, except for one line. The Buttons should be 5 not 3. > > Option "Buttons" "5" > > -- > - Antony Suter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Examiner" openpgp:71ADFC87 > - "And how do you store the nuclear equivalent of the universal solvent?"
Re: [Cooker] netscape, apps and wheel mouse
OS wrote: > > Ah ha, thanks for the pointer "Written on the back: Logitech OEM M/N: M-S48a" > the back of mine says "M-CAB48A". So... I've been round the office until I > found an M-S48A (in the guise of an Acer mouse), and it works. Well br > me. I also found one with M-BB48A but I haven't tried that yet. So it looks > like my 'variety' of Logitech wheel mouse is not supported by X !! (Rather than > IMPS/2 I used MouseManPlusPS/2, but it worked anyway). > > I have also found today http://www-sop.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/ > but the only mouse they say doesn't work is the M-S48 OEM !!! Well, you live qnd > learn ! > > Thanks, but disappointed > Owen > > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > Identifier "Mouse1" > > Driver "mouse" > > Option "Protocol""IMPS/2" > > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > > Option "Buttons" "3" I have a Logitech optical Wheel Mouse M-BD58 and it works fine for me with the above config, except for one line. The Buttons should be 5 not 3. Option "Buttons" "5" -- - Antony Suter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Examiner" openpgp:71ADFC87 - "And how do you store the nuclear equivalent of the universal solvent?"
Re: [Cooker] netscape, apps and wheel mouse
Ah ha, thanks for the pointer "Written on the back: Logitech OEM M/N: M-S48a" the back of mine says "M-CAB48A". So... I've been round the office until I found an M-S48A (in the guise of an Acer mouse), and it works. Well br me. I also found one with M-BB48A but I haven't tried that yet. So it looks like my 'variety' of Logitech wheel mouse is not supported by X !! (Rather than IMPS/2 I used MouseManPlusPS/2, but it worked anyway). I have also found today http://www-sop.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/ but the only mouse they say doesn't work is the M-S48 OEM !!! Well, you live qnd learn ! Thanks, but disappointed Owen On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, you wrote: > Logitech wheel mouse on PS/2 > Written on the back: Logitech OEM M/N: M-S48a > > All three elements work. There are no indications of strange behaviours > on clicking or scrolling through the screen. On click, the wheel works > as third button, it scrolls under Eterm or mozilla M17. To scroll under > netscape 4.75 there is the need to launch imwheel (I used "imwheel -k"). > I couldn't make any further tests as the mouse was given to me for 5 > minutes. However I think this is enough to show that Logitechs PS/2 do > work as you start X and for some N time... I could only test it a few > minutes. Maybe they get nuts later but now I can't check this. > My mouse config on XF86config-4: > > Identifier "Mouse1" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol""IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Buttons" "3" > > You can get this info from "man imwheel", but take into attention that > 4.0 configuration syntaxis differs a bit (see my config). > > I'm using XFree-4.0.1-8mdk without no additional changes ot patches > (except the configs). imwheelrc is the same that came with the rpm. And > besides, this is the same configuration that works for my Microsoft > mouse... > > So? > > Ektanoor
Re: [Cooker] netscape, apps and wheel mouse
Logitech wheel mouse on PS/2 Written on the back: Logitech OEM M/N: M-S48a All three elements work. There are no indications of strange behaviours on clicking or scrolling through the screen. On click, the wheel works as third button, it scrolls under Eterm or mozilla M17. To scroll under netscape 4.75 there is the need to launch imwheel (I used "imwheel -k"). I couldn't make any further tests as the mouse was given to me for 5 minutes. However I think this is enough to show that Logitechs PS/2 do work as you start X and for some N time... I could only test it a few minutes. Maybe they get nuts later but now I can't check this. My mouse config on XF86config-4: Identifier "Mouse1" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol""IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Buttons" "3" You can get this info from "man imwheel", but take into attention that 4.0 configuration syntaxis differs a bit (see my config). I'm using XFree-4.0.1-8mdk without no additional changes ot patches (except the configs). imwheelrc is the same that came with the rpm. And besides, this is the same configuration that works for my Microsoft mouse... So? Ektanoor
Re: [Cooker] netscape, apps and wheel mouse
OS wrote: > > OK. It's gone midnight here, and I may not reply when the sympa confirm > comes through and I can reflect on what I have said below, but your e-mail bit > me. > > First - How dare you put words like "everything else doesn't work & Linux suxx > dirty" into my mouth. I did not say that, I have never said that and I probably > never will. It's that kind of crap that gets Linux and Linux users a bad name. "I am glad to know it is not just me !!! However it strikes me that the wheel mouse is amongst the most rudimentary input devices and on Window$ PC's is taken completely for granted. It is a sad thing that Linux still does not support wheel mice as an input medium. - There rant over !" It's you, not me, who wrote this... A: Linux itself has nothing to do with wheels... B: X & console applications do have something to do with wheels, tracks, and "sticks" (IBM mice) C: "It is a sad thing that Linux still does not support wheel mice as an input medium". If you can't use the wheel by some reason (broken drivers, bad configuration, lack of support) this is not a reason for writing such statements. If your mouse doesn't work this does not mean "wheel mice don't work". My wheel mouse and two others work perfectly on Linux. Yes, there are a few IBM mice that don't work 'round here. But I don't make generalizations like you. You got a problem and came here generalizing it. The typical "linux suxx" wave... D: Are you offended for my interpretation? So why you are "so glad" that "Linux still does not support wheel mice" while these "most rudimentary input devices and on Window$ PC's is taken completely for granted" For me this is the typical "Rulez vs. suxx" stuff... So I dare to interpret your statements the way I did. We are not doing battles here. We are building a Linux distro. Nothing else. > > Secondly - I didn't start this line of mails. I have mentioned this before, > and decided to mention it again when I saw others still experiencing this type > of problem. So, I had a bit of a rant. But I admitted such in the mail. Maybe I > should have put a :-) after the rant ? As I told you. You came here and started generalizing "wheel mice don't work"... Some work others no. Weigh your statements please. > Thirdly - It is hardly constructive to say that it works on your box. Well, > bully for you. Hoozah ! It works on Ektanoor's box everybody ! Damn! "man imwheel" or you can't read??? > > Forth - I started using wheel mice a long time ago (yeah you got it -> #:F, > whatever the F that means) so I can say how things stand for 'old' versions. But > since Mandrake 6 I have made loads of cooker upgrades and the Logitech wheel > mouse has never worked for me. And it appears that I am not alone ! I also > understand that "Microsoft (yuks!)" mice have a lot of success in this area, > but not apparently Logitech. Cool, as I told you: "The fact that your Logitech mouse doesn't work does not mean that everything else doesn't work" Btw: It seems that I have nearby two Logitech wheel mice (PS/2 & USB)... In a day I'll tell you if they work or not. > > Fifth - I said at the end of the message that this is probably an XFree86.org > problem, and so it probably is. But these are busy people. All I am looking for > is different avenues to try. If you like I will forward the 20 or so mails I > have kept, each with its own set of different things to try. And that is just > since April this year ! Strange. Once I had serious problems with my Voodoo3 (hanged after a peculiar sequence of interrupt calls) and things were solved in two days... One colleague also wrote them about a bug and things got fit in a few hours... They seem prompt on answering. Ektanoor
Re: [Cooker] netscape, apps and wheel mouse
OK. It's gone midnight here, and I may not reply when the sympa confirm comes through and I can reflect on what I have said below, but your e-mail bit me. First - How dare you put words like "everything else doesn't work & Linux suxx dirty" into my mouth. I did not say that, I have never said that and I probably never will. It's that kind of crap that gets Linux and Linux users a bad name. Secondly - I didn't start this line of mails. I have mentioned this before, and decided to mention it again when I saw others still experiencing this type of problem. So, I had a bit of a rant. But I admitted such in the mail. Maybe I should have put a :-) after the rant ? Thirdly - It is hardly constructive to say that it works on your box. Well, bully for you. Hoozah ! It works on Ektanoor's box everybody ! Forth - I started using wheel mice a long time ago (yeah you got it -> #:F, whatever the F that means) so I can say how things stand for 'old' versions. But since Mandrake 6 I have made loads of cooker upgrades and the Logitech wheel mouse has never worked for me. And it appears that I am not alone ! I also understand that "Microsoft (yuks!)" mice have a lot of success in this area, but not apparently Logitech. Fifth - I said at the end of the message that this is probably an XFree86.org problem, and so it probably is. But these are busy people. All I am looking for is different avenues to try. If you like I will forward the 20 or so mails I have kept, each with its own set of different things to try. And that is just since April this year ! On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, you wrote: > OS wrote: > > > > > > I am glad to know it is not just me !!! However it strikes me that the wheel > > mouse is amongst the most rudimentary input devices and on Window$ PC's is > > taken completely for granted. It is a sad thing that Linux still does not > > support wheel mice as an input medium. - There rant over ! > Ok. Stop! The fact that your Logitech mouse doesn't work does not mean > that everything else doesn't work & Linux suxx dirty. > My Microsoft (yuks!) mouse has been working perfectly from 4.0 tarball > to a 4.0.1-8mdk. Yes there is a problem with netscape. Netscape does not > seem to understand some new features of 4.0, so you have to launch > "imwheel -k" to add wheel support to netscape. Note: the problem is > netscape and not 4.0. Without imwheel I can scroll nearly everything > else, from Eterm to mozilla "M17" nightbuilds. > > I started using the wheel not long ago (yeah you got it -> #:F ), so I > can't say how things stand for old versions. But, since July, I already > made a few cooker upgrades (imwheel incl.) and didn't note problems with > it (I didn't change a line of imwheelrc btw). The only possible problem > is that it doesn't launch automatically. Besides you need to do some > rtfm to install it (man imwheel and add two three lines to > XF86Config-4). > > Ektanoor
RE: [Cooker] netscape, apps and wheel mouse
> > I will be happy if wheel in my mouse is working in KDE (I use now > KDE2 Beta 4) > I have Logitech mouse and Mandrake 7.0 > I have heard that Mandrake 7.1 was supporting wheel mouse, but don't know > what package is responsible for. Looks like upgrading from KDE1 to KDE2 > doesn't help :-( > KDE has nothing to do with the wheelmouse. You need to go a couple more layers down to X Windowing System. I mean to recall hearing the XFree 4.0 should have built in support for wheel-mouse (but you have to do some configuring I guess). Or if you use XFree 3.3.x you have to run a program named imwheel and configure the X-setup so it accepts z-directions from the mouse. Pepper
Re: [Cooker] netscape, apps and wheel mouse
OS wrote: > > > I am glad to know it is not just me !!! However it strikes me that the wheel > mouse is amongst the most rudimentary input devices and on Window$ PC's is > taken completely for granted. It is a sad thing that Linux still does not > support wheel mice as an input medium. - There rant over ! Ok. Stop! The fact that your Logitech mouse doesn't work does not mean that everything else doesn't work & Linux suxx dirty. My Microsoft (yuks!) mouse has been working perfectly from 4.0 tarball to a 4.0.1-8mdk. Yes there is a problem with netscape. Netscape does not seem to understand some new features of 4.0, so you have to launch "imwheel -k" to add wheel support to netscape. Note: the problem is netscape and not 4.0. Without imwheel I can scroll nearly everything else, from Eterm to mozilla "M17" nightbuilds. I started using the wheel not long ago (yeah you got it -> #:F ), so I can't say how things stand for old versions. But, since July, I already made a few cooker upgrades (imwheel incl.) and didn't note problems with it (I didn't change a line of imwheelrc btw). The only possible problem is that it doesn't launch automatically. Besides you need to do some rtfm to install it (man imwheel and add two three lines to XF86Config-4). Ektanoor
Re: [Cooker] netscape, apps and wheel mouse
Hello, Once again I am going to say that my Logitech wheel mouse hasn't worked since I went up to Mandrake 7.0. Nothing I do, nor any received suggestions have rectified this situation. Moreover it still doesn't work with XFree86-4. The most I seem to be able to achieve is no wheel at all, erratic mouse behaviour with or without wheel movement, or the pointer shooting to the bottom left corner as soon as the wheel is moved. I am glad to know it is not just me !!! However it strikes me that the wheel mouse is amongst the most rudimentary input devices and on Window$ PC's is taken completely for granted. It is a sad thing that Linux still does not support wheel mice as an input medium. - There rant over ! I realise that a lot of this problem lies at XFree86.org, and as I am always told ;-) they have a lot on there plate - judging by how badly XF-4 works on my box an awful lot !!! Owen On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, you wrote: > I will be happy if wheel in my mouse is working in KDE (I use now KDE2 Beta 4) > I have Logitech mouse and Mandrake 7.0 > I have heard that Mandrake 7.1 was supporting wheel mouse, but don't know > what package is responsible for. Looks like upgrading from KDE1 to KDE2 > doesn't help :-( > > Vadim > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > Apparently someone has been switching the function of the wheel mouse in > > netscape and terminals several times in the last few months. > > > > About three months ago I had netscape and most gtk apps using the wheel > > for scrolling very fine, but in the terminal apps including > > gnome-terminal the wheel scrolled the command history instead of the > > scrollbar. > > > > Then a change came and I had netscape not scrolling at all, most gtk > > apps scrolling fine, and the terminal app also scrolling fine. > > > > And now we are back to the first again. > > > > I personally think that it is more useful to have the wheel working as > > the scroll bar instead as the the history in the terminal apps. > > > > Of course, it may be that this has nothing to do with the wheel mouse > > Xresourses since I noticed that , but with the mapping of the "PgUp" and > > "PgDn" keys, since those also scroll the command-history now (of course > > I think these keys should also scroll the scroll bar; after all that is > > what their name implies right?) > > > > -- > > Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE > > Linux Engineer > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] netscape, apps and wheel mouse
See below! Vadim Plessky wrote: : I will be happy if wheel in my mouse is working in KDE (I use now KDE2 Beta 4) : I have Logitech mouse and Mandrake 7.0 : I have heard that Mandrake 7.1 was supporting wheel mouse, but don't know : what package is responsible for. Looks like upgrading from KDE1 to KDE2 : doesn't help :-( Your X server has to be configured to support mouse wheels. Doesn't XFdrake do this for you? It should! Then KDE 2 and all GTK (which implies GNOME) applications will work out of the box with your wheel. Imwheel (which is a nasty hack to provide mouse wheel support for stupid applications) is evil stuff and for crack junkies only. Just add Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" in your "InputDevice" section in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 This is for XFree 4.x only. XFree 3.x has a slightly different syntax I can't remember. Cheers, Andreas "Have you noticed there are no interesting people in heaven? --Just a hint to the girls as to where they can find their salvation." [Nietzche, "The Will to Power"]
Re: [Cooker] netscape, apps and wheel mouse
I will be happy if wheel in my mouse is working in KDE (I use now KDE2 Beta 4) I have Logitech mouse and Mandrake 7.0 I have heard that Mandrake 7.1 was supporting wheel mouse, but don't know what package is responsible for. Looks like upgrading from KDE1 to KDE2 doesn't help :-( Vadim On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, you wrote: > Apparently someone has been switching the function of the wheel mouse in > netscape and terminals several times in the last few months. > > About three months ago I had netscape and most gtk apps using the wheel > for scrolling very fine, but in the terminal apps including > gnome-terminal the wheel scrolled the command history instead of the > scrollbar. > > Then a change came and I had netscape not scrolling at all, most gtk > apps scrolling fine, and the terminal app also scrolling fine. > > And now we are back to the first again. > > I personally think that it is more useful to have the wheel working as > the scroll bar instead as the the history in the terminal apps. > > Of course, it may be that this has nothing to do with the wheel mouse > Xresourses since I noticed that , but with the mapping of the "PgUp" and > "PgDn" keys, since those also scroll the command-history now (of course > I think these keys should also scroll the scroll bar; after all that is > what their name implies right?) > > -- > Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE > Linux Engineer > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Cooker] netscape, apps and wheel mouse
Apparently someone has been switching the function of the wheel mouse in netscape and terminals several times in the last few months. About three months ago I had netscape and most gtk apps using the wheel for scrolling very fine, but in the terminal apps including gnome-terminal the wheel scrolled the command history instead of the scrollbar. Then a change came and I had netscape not scrolling at all, most gtk apps scrolling fine, and the terminal app also scrolling fine. And now we are back to the first again. I personally think that it is more useful to have the wheel working as the scroll bar instead as the the history in the terminal apps. Of course, it may be that this has nothing to do with the wheel mouse Xresourses since I noticed that , but with the mapping of the "PgUp" and "PgDn" keys, since those also scroll the command-history now (of course I think these keys should also scroll the scroll bar; after all that is what their name implies right?) -- Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE Linux Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
